Talkin' Cowboys: Boiling Point

I'm gonna bring the energy no matter what. It's a Monday edition of Talking Cowboys here from the Star in Frisco, the SWBC Mortgage Studios. Welcome in everybody here on Dallas Cowboys dot Com. Kyle Yeoman's, Heck Harrison, Rob Phillips, Isaiah's stand back Chris beam as always doing great work in the back and guys, there's no way to sugarcoat it, really,

if we're being honest. There's a lot of things to hit on whenever it comes to the twenty five to three loss to the Seattle Seahawks, not to the Cleveland Browns or the Pittsburgh Steelers or the Baltimore Ravens. The twenty five to three loss was to the Washington football team on the road in an NFC East divisional battle. But yes, we are going to talk about it. We're gonna talk through what exactly went wrong and where do they go from here in terms of this Dallas Cowboys

football team that now sits at two and five. Glad you're with us. And I was told whenever I walked into the studio that Isaiah stand Back wanted the floor. And I love Isaiah and I've always been a big fan of his and of course getting to work with you, I've I've learned a lot about you and this is one of those days where I'm excited to give you the floor because of your pedigree as an announcer and as a as a media member. Now, but Isaiah, what

were your initial thoughts over the game? And goodness, where do we start? Well? For those that are watching, can you see my face? Oh? Yeah? For those that kid, for those are just listening, I wish y'all could see my face. Listen up, man, I know it's not Friday, but we're gonna say with our chest today this was absolutely terrible. With a cherry on top. We lost to a team that doesn't even have a name, um called the football team. We lost a football team that just

happened to play out of Washington. Uh, these guys came in or we went there to go to go score three points. We went there to get disrespected. We went there to let our quarterback get knocked out. Night night is what we called it in the league. He went night night okay, And everybody just came over and touched the mind his shoulder and said are you okay? Are you okay? With no response. We've talked about it in

the past, we referred to it. I can't tell you how many times about how we say, you know what, we don't want to say there's a lack of heart. We don't want to say there's a lack of effort. We don't want to say that they don't have each other's back, that they're not even that they're that they are they're brothers keeper. But guess what, they've proved us wrong. They proved us wrong. Right. We've been trying to have the back. Can't have it back like a jam sport.

No more, can't do it, no more, can't do it no more. We're here to tell the truth, and we're gonna tell the truth all day to day. I'm disappointed. I am. I am hurt by that showing yesterday. Rob. Do you feel the same way. I don't know if we've got robbed heck Man, Yeah, what happened to Rob? But of course I feel the same way. No way, no way that I back for our team to go to Washington and play as lifeless as they did, and you know, it's really uninspired. And man, we talked about

it before we started the show. You know that we have no positive illusions to sell today because when you have a team that goes out and plays that lifeless and you have a situation where your quarterback is completely taken out. Bostick, he may be a good guy, but that was a sucker move, man, that's horrible. You don't and they talk, you talk about the fraternity of NFL players and guys not doing that, and we we just pretty much raped Tristan Hill over the colds for the

Gator roll. What do you do to Bostick for that? Because that was that was a sucker move, but even more for not one soul on our team to respond to what he did to me Is, man, That's that's the that's the part about it. Uh. And Isaiah, I gotta give you, I gotta give you credit when you say, hey, these guys are not hanging out together, and obviously because of the COVID nineteen stipulations and all of that, they really can't. But that's just that's just a lack of

heart for your own guy. We laughed about it about Kyle yos Is saying that, look, we know he's an Olympic civil medalist and calling nine one one. But Kyle would have did something in a situation like that, man. I mean, I've never called nine one one in my life, but I even in that moment, would have turned around and I would have. I would have known. And I

made the joke before the show. I was like, if if any one of y'all were messed with and you guys are our podcast buddies, We're not going out and fighting other two hundred and eighty pound grown men. You guys and I talked football, But if somebody were to messed with you guys, I would have I would take exception to it, especially to the point where they would knock you out. Oh yeah, no, it's going down but I think we have rob back here. But I completely

agree with you. Hackmakled check me out. I know we got CB back. There can't nobody sec He's back to our producer. But listen up, CBE likes to play Call of Duty right, lets to play a little look c D. If somebody takes out Kyle on a video game, it takes out you know, Chris a video game. I am coming for their head. I'm coming for the head. You got to worry about me the whole game. I don't care. I'm fragging you, I'm throwing grenades. I'm coming after you

all day long. You gotta worry about me because guess what you just did. You just got my dog and it ain't going down like that. Remind me not to play any Call of Duty with you, Isaiah, because I feel like you're just gonna get us caught. Yeah, I'm coming for it you rest of the game, coming for the rest of the game. But outside of the frustration with the Dalton head, and that absolutely needs to be

talked about and addressed. And I assume that there's probably gonna be a fine coming down, But heck, where do you start from? A an exs and o standpoint because right now there's a lot of going on wrong with this team offensively, defensively. I think it starts in the trenches. But I want to see where you lie. Well, look the mirages. The mirage is over. I think you really see that guys are just they don't have the talent to get it done. And you hear coach Mike McCarthy

talking about going back to basics. To me, that's this code word for you know, I have some incompetent guys, and it's hard for me to believe that guys are incompetent that have played in this league for a while. Our offensive line manage, we talked about it. The defensive line for the Washington football team was going to come after Andy Dalton and they did six sacks, a couple of strip sacks also, I mean they were all over him. But we couldn't establish anything. And that's the one thing

about it that really is frustrated. Where do I mean, Kyle, you ask me from an excent old standpoint, where do you start with that when you're not getting anything that you can at least hang your hat on to say we established the run, well, established the past, We'll establish our run defense, we'll establish our pass defense. We have none of that. So I mean maybe we should go to Rob. Rob can tell us because I have no answer for what I saw yesterday. No sorry, guys, I

got knocked off there. They have nothing that they can lean on right now. And you said it on offense. They can't run it, they can't throw it, they can't sustain drives, and they have to be able to do that because right now that's their only chance. Defensively, nothing really has improved tangibly since the start of the season, and until they get that fixed. And at nine games in, I'm sorry, seven games in, with nine to go, you

wonder how much better it's going to get. But they don't have anything offensively they can get to despite the fact they're missing their quarterback. It's the offensive line, it's really everything. And then you throw on top of what you guys just talked about. Injuries are one thing. Injuries happen. Injuries don't have to define your season. They're not defining the Philadelphia Eagles season right now. They're in first place

right now. They're not a great football team, but you watch what they're able to do, fight back, stay in games, Carson wentz. It helps having your quarterback, but they're they're an example of a team that is still out there fighting. And it's not just us saying it, it's the player saying it. DeMarcus Lawrence said it after the game. We need more fight, we need more belief. That's coming from the players. It's not just us, uh saying that based

on what we see on the field. And until that changes, um, this is this is going to continue. There's only three losing teams, only three winning teams left on their schedule. But you know, based on what we've seen, guys, that doesn't matter. You know, if you you you come out and you play and you you fail to execute the way they've done consistently in games, there's gonna be more of the games like this. It's just going to continue for the rest of the season if they don't get

it cleaned up. Hey, Rob, you and you mentioned man, I know it. Cole might have this on his list. I gotta do my chest. Everybody's up here making excuses time about oh, you know, Dak is the leader of this team, and Dak is our guy. And guess what, absolutely correct, Dak is your guy, no question about it. No replacement is going to is going to do exactly what he did. I have been the first one to stand up here and say Andy Dalton is a dude and he should have no problems stepping in and for

filling a roll. I still believe that because everybody wants to put the blame on Andy Dalton yesterday, right even before he got knocked out. This is not an Andy Dalton thing. I don't care what quarterback you would have put in that game yesterday, they would have got destroyed. And yes, dak Mann, it might have avoided a couple more plays and got out there and throw the ball

out of the pocket a couple more times. Andy Dalton was nine for nineteen before we getting knocked out, nine for nineteen, and here was five drops from one player, and I think there's another drop of somebody else. So had those guys come count those balls, Andy Dalton would have been fifteen of nineteen, fifteen of nineteen. So don't make this an Andy Dalton thing, right. This was all

around just terrible performance across the board. And for people that want to make excuses about the quarback player, I don't care if there's any Dalton, I don't care IF's Denucci. I don't care if there's a dog gone, Rob Phillips get in there. You take some snaps too. These guys were ineffective in every aspect of the game. If we dropped back and throw the ball, guess what. When we did throw the ball, they were dropped. When we did run the ball, we got stuck. When we did get

a rush, guess what they took off. When they did play a little bit of coverage, guess what they got the ball off. It didn't matter what happened. We were getting got in every aspect of this game, and we kept doing the same things that we know that we have been ineffective doing all year long. Offensive line couldn't block, defensive line couldn't get a push. Secondary still trying to somehow play man to man versus number one receivers. That didn't work out too well. We keep doing the same things.

The definition of insanity is what doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. That's what these guys are doing. I don't know what their culture or this team is. What is the culture and who's the stem from. Let's let's not just sit up here and say dak is the Heart and Solder team. And now that Dad's gone, Oh man, you know one of our guys is gone. We can't you know the rest of these grown man who get paid to do a job can't show up and do what they're supposed to do.

That's bs as an excuse. These twos need to wake up and go plus the dog on ball. But Isaiah, here's the thing too. Do you think they got on the plane and flew all the way to DC to get a butt whooping. It's no, they can't sell that. They got it. They got it, they got it, But there's a desired result of result. Anytime you line up to play a football game and whatever's translating, and you hear coaches say, oh, we had a great week of preparation.

Practice was lively. How is that not translating to the football field. I'm not arguing with you. I'm just saying, how does that piece not translate to play on the field. When guys get into a situation like that first drive from Washington, it was like, oh my god, here's a team where they're saying they're giving you the numbers next to lasting, Russian lasting and points per game, all of these things they hadn't scored on an opening drive, and here they are knocking on the door to score, and

it's just because they're in there. They're lifeless and they had nothing even on offense. But we made them look better than what they are. And I just don't get where where's the disconnected, where's the discon this team whether not taking this to the culture. What's the culture? What's the culture? We talked about it yesterday, Kyle on the

pregame show. Right on the pregame show, we said, Hey, this dog on quarterback right Alan, you guys are either gonna make him look like he's just a dude, like Nate talked to him and talked about yesterday. He's either gonna look like just a guy or guess what, he's one of the thirty two best quarterbacks in the world right now, that's an NFL quarterback. NFL quarterbacks one of the best in the world. So he's either gonna look

like a dude. We can make him look like that, or we can make him look like he's one of the best thirty two guys in the world. And guess what we did yesterday. We made him look like he's one of the best in the world. Okay, you can't disrespect the fact that everybody in this league as a professional. They could either have a switch off and they could just play like like I'm just here. I'm showing up to do my job and get my check like some

people may be doing this year. Or you can show up and say, guess what, I'm gonna get the same check, regardless about ball out or not. But guess what, I have pride about what I do, and I'm gonna show up and knock somebody in the dog our mouth. Also not to mention, what would I go for it? Rob? Well,

just sorry, Kyle. When I just watching this team, and I think it's been referenced at points in the season by members of the front office or the team itself, I just don't see a team that's playing with any confidence, very very little confidence. And it's almost like it's almost like they're waiting for the next bad thing to happen, you know. And we've heard them talk about adversity and handling adversity. They've had plenty of adversity. Everybody has been

in the same boat in terms of no offseason. But these injuries are a problem. There's no question it's limiting what they can do. But how do you respond to that. You know, they're not responding to bad things that happen within games. And I think a perfect example is in Isaiah and I talked about this at halftime at the Star, right before the end of the half. They have a good drive. They're putting a drive together. It's kind of dink and dunk and they're using the running backs in

the flat, but they're making things happen. Washington is playing their safeties back. They're playing kind of a too deep look, and it's almost like they're forcing the Cowboys to continue kind of this nickel and dime drive, waiting for them to make a mistake. And you know what they did. And that's been the story of this season. When something can go wrong, it will go wrong. And when you're not playing confidently. Mike McCarthy spoke to this after the game.

We're not cutting it loose, and basically, there's a fear of making a mistake. If you're not playing fast and you're not playing confidently, you're not going to have results in this league. Because guess what, Isaiah can speak to this better than anybody on the show. There is not much difference between the best team in the league and the worst team in the league since there became a salary cap era in this league, it does. The records

do not matter. If you come into a game and you do not show up and execute, you're gonna get beat. And if you got if you got weaknesses on your roster because of injuries, they're gonna go after them and you better have an answer for it. And they just have not had an answer for the adversity they have faced within games and the seasons where they've really struggled twenty fifteen. Chris mentioned it before the show started. That was the issue things went south. Didn't have your quarterback,

how do you respond? Didn't respond well enough? You went

for wealth. And I think you also look at it from a standpoint of the only time that they have let it loose, like all year long, throughout the seven weeks that we've seen from this Cowboys team, the only time that I think they've really let it loose and played their game and not let an opponent dictate what they're doing is probably whenever they were down by twenty plus points and they had nothing else to lose, And that was whenever you saw the comeback against Atlanta, and

you saw the game after I guess Dak Prescott got hurt against New York and you finally were able to kind of play your game. Those are the only times that you can really point to this Cowboys team and say they played with confidence. And it was not necessarily confidence. It was more like desperation. And that's where it seems like we are as a Cowboys team right now. It's pride. It's pride, and you bring up a great point. Those are the two references that I would touched on as well.

But it's pride. We keep using a term confidence. It is a sense of pride in how you take your approach to the game. I'm not going to allow somebody to keep punching me in the mouth. If you guys, walk on the sidewalk right now, somebody comes up and pushes you, all right, they push me. I'm gonna let them have that one right to push you again. At a certain point, You're gonna snap, right at a certain point. Everybody has different boiling on levels, right, but you're not

going to continue to allow somebody to keep pushing you. Right. So that's what this That's what they were doing against Atlanta. Guess what. They kept getting punched in the mouth and they got for a certain point, they said, man, forget this, let's go right and they showed up and it came back and they fired off and they went down the field. It had nothing. It had Obviously Dak was there, But Dad has nothing to do with the determination and the pride that each one of those other men have that

comes from internal. That is internal. That is a decision. You show up the player, you show up not to play. You decide to get beat on one player, decide not to get beat on one play. After a certain point, you have to decide that this is not gonna be okay. And right now, and when I keep bringing up the word culture, and we've talked about this in previous weeks, right, we talked about this, What is the culture of this team? When you face the Dallas Cowboys, what do you expect

to face? Right? Are you gonna walk out of the beat up in brewe Are you gonna have to fight a play a team that's not gonna give up? Right? Are you gonna play a team that you know it at some point in time, they're gonna they're gonna quit. Right now, every team faces us, they know this team's gonna quit at some point in the game. And are you facing a team like specifically, are you facing a defense that trusts each other, that trust each other to make the right play and do their individual jobs to

make a collective like that. That's that's been the thing. And you know, I know there's a lot of criticism on Mike Nolan, and there's a lot of people out there that want to change a defensive coordinator. But we talked about this last week. The same stuff we've been talking about defensively is the same stuff we heard last year, freelancing, not trusting each other, not being an assignment sharp and so coaching matters obviously, but it only goes so far.

And I know Lady Vandrea said after the game it's not the scheme, Well, then it's got to be the better execution together right together, And he caught it out right. We talked about it last week, Hey, right, we talked about how these are high school coverages, these are high coverages, and Mike Nolan finally got tired of meat and like I said, it's that dog on bottle that that that's shaking up a dog on popcam right, or a bottle

a little bit comes out right. We heard Griffin talking about it the first time, right about four weeks ago, when I said, hey, well, he said, I'm not I'm not. I'm a hand in the ground guy. Who woa WHOA. We don't, we don't, we don't. You're not allowed to say that. That's not something that you say when you're on a team. Right, And we said we heard a

little bit, we heard it. We heard that a little air get out right, and then we heard what then all of a sudden, be car all of a sudden just gets released because he spoke up in in one of the team meeting rooms. That's the rumor, right, and he gets let go okay, okay, and then what oh, now we have an anonymous insider for the teams talking about the coaches. Oh it was you, it was you know. You turn a bottle cap, you turn the bottom cap,

you let a little bit more out right. And then finally coach Nolan's like, the heck with this, They're not gonna keep blaming me. What are he's saying in a in an interview the other day on Friday or a Saturday, what do you say we're running high school defenses. Oh crack now, the coach on let it this this dog on bottle cat about to come off, And that's exactly

what's going down. Man. These dudes are making excuses. Yeah, And we talked about it in our own group message yesterday when the video of Andy Dalton getting angry at his offensive line on the sideline came out. Whenever Andy Dalton was getting upset and getting red in the face as red as he is hairwise, then that's whenever you have some issues as in terms of anger and frustration on that sideline, and in that I love to see it. I did too. I like it. I like a little fire.

But at the same time, like you said, it's the bottle cap. Somebody, if that's gonna end up happening, and if the bottle CAP's gonna gonna explode at some point pretty soon, or if it already has exploded, we don't know what happened in that locker room. When we come back, where do we make changes? Where are the changes made? Is that the coaching staff to playing personnel. Where do

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more guys. We were talking about it during the break, and it just comes to a point when you just you just may not be good. And I feel like that's the most frustrating part about this lost yesterday is because even going into it, we had all had hope. We had all had that kind of hope that it's, oh, it's the division that's bad. We've had some injuries, we've

had this, we've had that. You lose twenty five to three to a team that one had the worst rushing offense in the entire NFL and they go off and they rush for over two hundred yards against you. Two, a team that had lost five games in a row and they beat you by twenty two points. And then three, Kyle Allen, a quarterback who had lost his last eight starts, he comes out and shushes you in the cammera or flashes up a first down whatever that finger was for

on the first down. He was taunting. Yeah, he was taunting the camera. Whenever a guy who's lost his last eight games as a starting quarterback in the NFL starts taunting you on camera, that's when you've got an issue. Well, that's all what happened yesterday. Glad you're with us. You're I'm talking cowboys, Rob Phillips, Isaiah Standback, Hecka Harris, and I'm Kyle Yeoman's glad you're sticking with us. You're a die hard fan at this point, and we love you

for it. Not gonna lie. We love talking with you guys, and we're just as angry as you are as cowboys. Yeah, we're just as just as angry as you guys are. But i'd tease the question before the break and whenever he comes to this loss, where do the changes need to be made? We can talk about pride, we can talk about coaching, we can talk about scheme all we want, but ultimately it comes down to the players executing. And heckma, they haven't executed. So where do we start in terms

of making some changes? I mean, you gotta start with your front line. Your defensive line is just not the guys that you signed that you thought were going to be players for you. Uh, it's just not there. And even you have to look at your linebackers too. I mean, this it's not it's not even uh a strategy anymore to leave Jalen one on one out in the flat with a tight end or a running back. It's just it's just you gotta stop right uh. Safeties, safeties. You know,

we've talked about this at length. The state the safety we just don't have it at all. But I tell you it was important the game yesterday, guys where I saw my my, my rookie corner. He got upset with Terry McLoughlin man a couple of punches being thrown out there. I'm like, yeah, that's I like that. I like that rook I like you showing that emotion. And then Terry McLoughlin just drag racist. He gone for a was it fifty two? Fifty six yard? And I don't you keep

going over the scheme. You keep going over why guys are playing, you know, or they thinking too much. We're just not getting that push up front. And Kyle Allen yesterday was just able to comfortably step up in the pocket and make some throws and when he needed to make a play with his leg he was making plays with his legs. Look offensive line wise, we can beat these guys down, but this is not the group that you anticipated you were going to have through the season.

We're down to third stream guys. Right. And if I had told you before the season that this Sunday night, Benda Nucci would be your starting quarterback, There's no way. There's no way. That's the most twenty twenty thing to ever happen, is that Bend de Nucci is gonna start this Sunday. So I mean, you just you just I don't know, Man, Penateller the donkey pick a spot wherever you want to go on the defense. But you could just pick whatever you want, all right, as far as

what we need, and that's where it needs to go. Man, our defense is just at this point as a laughing stock. Rob. I feel like fans want a major change, right, They want something to kind of shake the foundation, and a lot of people want to change a defensive coordinator. Mike McCarthy has basically said he's not going to do that. He said it has even crossed my mind to do that.

That's my curiosity is is that something that would actually, you know, shake things up and change a message and serve as a wake up call for everybody or not? Because I think he talks about staying the course, and based on what we've seen for seven games now, yes, something about the message from the coaching staff is not getting through. But these are assignments that are missed and

execution that is missed. And you know, like Heck mentioned that the Treyvon Digs play, Look, he's not coached to do that, to keep his eyes in the backfield on the quarterback and not on a go route from the from the by far the best receiving threat they have downfield, you know, And so short of short of with the trade deadline coming up and making a big move to try to get somebody to help on your interior defensive line, I don't know what's really gonna change because there are

so and I said this last week, there are so many things defensively that they've got holes to plug that I don't know if one player makes a difference. And I'm certainly not gonna screw up my salary cap um based on the way things are going right now, and saying one player is gonna make a big difference for me isah um Jesus Um called his name. Yeah him, listen up here, um. In terms of changes, okay, it's not the decordinator. It's not the decordina. Your decordinator can

call the best schemes in the world. But guess why players have to execute them. Um, it's not solely that. Let me say that, I don't want to take full um. I don't good point sponsibility off of his of him, so it's not fully him. These these players, man um. This is the reason why it makes as a former player. It makes it these guys the way they're playing on this, on this defensive front, in other positions as well, but especially the defensive front. This is why owners, ownership general

managers hate guaranteed contracts. This is why they hate it. They are making this is they're making players look terrible and making an art case harder for guys that are trying to go out and get guaranteed money. For this exact reason. You can't get rid of Pole. I hear everybody talking. I'll see you get everybody right now talking. You can't get rid of Pole, you can't get rid of Griffin, you can't get rid of any of these

veterans that you brought in. You know why, because after the first week of the season, they're seeing their salaries are gay around ted. They're going to get their money, all right. So now that you have these guys and they're going to get their money. Guess what they get paid the same amount, whether they play hard, whether they're effective or not, the check is the same. So when you guys, so when you guys hear me talk about guys are out there collecting a check, Guys are out there.

Literally there goes a million dollars right there. I'm gonna go back to the house. I didn't get hurt. We're good. This is a this is an evaluating league. And if guys put in that tape out where they're not trying at all, that's you're not doing nothing but messing up for your future. And if this is this is the last this is a last stop for you, then this is a last stop for you. But all I'm saying is if you don't have if they could talk that scheme stuff, all they want to losing, contain what team

have we stopped from getting around the outside? I will wait, we have teams. So just I mean, we made Scott Turner look like the next boy genius. He may get a head coaching job based off of what he was

able to do yesterday and probably not. But still, how do we come into every week where offensive coordinators are able to just have their full catalog of plays that they want and that's what they're doing versus So, look, these guys that you're saying that are guaranteed contracts, they're gonna get paid tomorrow morning, whether the sun rises or not.

That's on nim. And if you don't have that pride in yourself, if you can't take that as a man and say, this is my job, this is how I feed my family to do this, and you're put in that bas tape out there, then dog, you don't have no hard man. And again and I repeat, this is the reason why ownership tends to not to go with veterans because you have to pay veterans guarantee money. And guess what, veterans aren't worried about the future. Heck, most

most veterans are at this point in their career. They're not worried about the future. They're worried about that check. Right, So you've got some guys that are gonna have pride. We keep using the I keep using that term today. You either have the pride to show up and play

because you're getting the same check regardless. So pride is what drives you to be successful in the field, or guess what as ownership as general matters as a scouting department, like we've said in the past, you have to go get some dogs, whether they're vets or not, most likely vets that have a drive and a work ethic and a tenacious approach to the game at like no other.

And there are still guys out there that we have passed on that will bring that regardless of what their locker room issues may be, because obviously we got locker rooms in locker rooms anyway, So bring some duza here that are gonna give you one thousand percent and that are gonna demand that of other guys around them. Any I'm not saying no names, Okay, Yeah, At what point do you just kind of lean into the locker room stuff and be like, well, you know, it is what

it is, shouldn't get any worse. So but yeah, to heck much to your point, like the full compliment, the full menu of plays that opposing offenses have, it's the run defense. It's the run defense. And until that changes, this is gonna be the same story every week. They're gonna be on skates because they're gonna be on their heels because they can't. They're allowing offenses to dictate whatever they want to do offensively and two hundred and eight

more yards. That that was the issue, Mike Mike McCarthy said, the gap integrity, the gap control was a little better, but the first place set the tone carrying defenders within yards after contact. So if it's not one thing, it's

the other. And until they get that fixed, like White Isaiah said, with pride, with toughness, more toughness, this is gonna continue no matter who they're playing, and they're playing a lot of bad teams coming up below average team is based on record, but it's not going to make

any difference, no like the Washington football team. Yeah, I was about to say, you're you're looking at I think teams are looking at the Cowboys now as an opportunity to get back on track now kind of based off of what all three of you guys just said, And you're talking about basically one of two things here, or I guess one of three things. One is you just sit pat, which is probably the most likely to happen, which is extremely frustrating to every Cowboys fan. However, there's

two other options. There's either you cut a player and just eat the money, and you just cut your losses and say we're sending a message. I think that's probably the second most likely thing, because the third one is trade for draft picks. Who's gonna trade a draft pick for what we've seen on film right now? Nobody's gonna come in draft picks right now. Draft picks. Also, not to mention, there's a lot more problems than one draft

gonna fix in this football team at the moment. There's not gonna be one draft where you're gonna go out there. We had a fantastic draft as Cowboys Nation in this past April. We can see what that's turning into. Yeah, we've got Ceedee Lamb, treyvon Diggs, Neville Gallimore. Those guys are fantastic and they're going to continue to get better

and they'll be game changers at some point. But whenever it comes to a draft, even if you have the best draft out of the thirty two other NFL teams, it's gonna take two or three of those put together before you start seeing some success. And the Cowboys haven't seen success yet because of the fact that you have so many different holes. It's not gonna take one draft class. And even if it did, you're not gonna get those

picks from other teams for guys like Dontari Poe. Dontry Poe couldn't go for twenty bucks in a soda pop right now, like that's it wouldn't work at the moment in terms of the film that he's put on tape. It's frustrating. Well, sorry, hey go ahead, No, I go for it. No, I was just as far as the future, As far as the future is concerned, you can't. You

can't trade away your future right now for anything. If there was a sign, if we had gone out and won that game yesterday, and you see yourself in a position or at least feel as though this team is gonna make a move on winning the division, the playoffs, any of that, then maybe you start considering. But right now, this is a lifeless team and it doesn't you're gonna bring somebody in on your nightmare. You just I think you save all of your picks. That's just my opinion. Man.

You've got I guess a week plus left until the trade inline. I think it's November third. I wouldn't necessarily rule it out that they do something, but like I've been saying, I don't, I don't think one player is gonna make a huge difference. And what I guess to explain what I was saying earlier, I wouldn't because we don't know what the CAP's gonna be next year. It's gonna drop. I don't think there's any question about that.

I don't think you can take on a player in the situation like a Maori was, where he's gonna require a large, large deal soon. I think it would have to be. It'd have to be a younger player with years left on his deal that could still help you. And but but again, even doing that, I don't know what difference it's gonna make in terms of really turning

this thing around defensively, Rob. Anybody's sitting at home right now that is worthy of getting on the team and making an immediate impact will take a lot less money than what they typically would take for a one year deal. They will come in here and take less money for what are we in now? How many games? We gotta have? Nine games? They'll come back and pay these cats for nine games to come out here and let them prove

themselves for an opportunity for next year. That's what you do with veterans who are in a position of these guys who are sitting at home right now, and there's still good talent out there that's sitting at the crib that will come in here and compete. That's what this team is lacking right now. Competition and all that comes from pride, all that comes from heart, all these words that you're seeing on the chat and everything else, that's all rooted inside of you. And again, I keep going

back to, what is the culture of this team? What can you count on when these guys show up and play in a positive of light? What what can we rest our hat on and say these guys are gonna bring this every time they step on the field. I don't know what that is. Do you guys hear him? Do you guys hear Isaiah? Because even in where we're going into week eight of the season, you're hearing the themes and you're hearing the the reoccurrence of Earl Thomas,

Earl Thomas, Earl Thomas. He's not saying the name, but he's he's he's definitely throwing it out there. He's still trying to get that to happen. And will it to happen? I don't that Anonymous sources source stamp. Yeah, or it's it's not. It's not just him, it's is it is. I mean, at a certain point, you just got to recognized we don't have we don't have a culture, and

the culture is very important, very important. You guys, there's nobody on this on this on this podcast right now, can name one one team that has a good record that doesn't have a culture. I think the only one that we could probably name is Chicago. We just don't. We don't see them enough right to know what the heck's going on with them. Every other team we would that we were referenced Baltimore radis. We know what they are,

the city, we know what they are. Right, Hey, Baker Mayfield's gonna dance on you, right, he showed right, And all these people are talking about, hey, let's get rid of coach, right, let's get rid of one of our coaches. Lets get rid of the Cartha, let's get rid of Nolan. Hey,

the Falcons got rid of their head coach. And guess what, they still gotta had to come back on them yesterday though they were but shots at the Falcons and you know what, you know what, and you're right because you're you're talking You've been in a lot of different spots where there was a strong culture in the locker room. Yeah, like you're speaking from experience in New England, Seattle, the Giants, even you know, the Cowboys were very competitive when you

were here. So there there was a culture in that locker room. Defensively too, So you're speaking from experience. Yeah, and I Rock and you were here. Catch was fighting. We were having fights in practice. In practice. If somebody got a route ran on him, guess what pac Man was calling them back to was calling them back, right, it didn't matter. Brady James was calling them back, Jay Ratlin right, Marcus spears like. There wasn't there at every

level on both sides of the ball. It was not going to be okay that I was beat not acceptable. And we're talking about practice, practice, okay, practice to the field, yeah, not a game. We're talking about practice. And that was the culture. If you got, if you got, if you got punked in practice, then you were gonna get shown up. They were gonna put you on film right in practice, because as you should be embarrassed to show up like that. Don't you even think about bringing that mess to the game.

It's been frustrating, it's been embarrassing, and we're continuing to break it down. We do have to take a break before we close things out, so let's go ahead and step aside. When we come back, we'll wrap things up and look ahead till Week eight of the twenty twenty season and what the Cowboys can expect coming up in this week in practice when we were When we return here, i'll talking Cowboys. I'm Jay Novachek, former tight end for

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Dallas Cowboys dot com slash tickets. Now, with that being said, they're not coming back home this week. They've got a road game again against the nfcast faux Philadelphia. And while this just feels absolutely wrong to say, it's completely the truth. And Isaiah brought it up, and Heckman brought it up during the break, But guys, even at two and five, you're still completely in this division. Now, I just wanted

to throw that out there. I'm not going to go into it because it is frustrating and I'm angry and I don't want to even want to talk about the Silver linings. But you're still in there, Isaiah, you really are right now, Rob, Rob feels like the furthest thing. It feels like the furthest thing away from your grasp right now, and everyone really does. Everybody's frustrated, everybody's angry, and it seems like this this season is terrible. Your most people are talking about, Oh, let's play for a

top five pick. Listen up, this this season can It doesn't feel like it will. But this season can turn around and they can't get in the playoffs and they can make a run because these guys still have the guys I know. Heck, I'm just talking facts. You know. I don't I take I take a motion out of things. These are the facts. They still have a shot, even though it feels like they shouldn't and they don't. There's

there's a cowboy fan. There's a cowboy fan out there that just said, every time I try and get out, you pull me back in. He just back. I feel like that ropes get a little thinner in the middle. I just feel like those strings are barely holding on at this point. Rob. I mean, oh, the streets are slick, Yeah, the roads are slick. There icy Yeah, No, it. You're right, And the truth on no matter is they can make

a decision. The light could come on and these guys go out there with reckless abandon Kyle Allen was an undrafted quarterback. Let's not act like this guy was a first round guy, all right. He was playing behind a offensive line that was second and third string guys just like us. So, I mean, how were they able to do what they did versus? The question still begs we

have to get that answer. Why is this defense that is full of first round draft picks and guys that we've seen do it on other rosters on other teams not doing it here? So I mean, look, we could beat ourselves over the head with this question all day long. But when they go out there and put the tape out there that they don't give a damn about it, what are we arguing about? Do you know what this said? This is the concern I have because you guys are right,

they're not. Technically, they're not out of it. No, but Washington's gonna hang around this race because everything starts up front, and they've got a d line that can screw up a game, screwuping off and some games fan that can keep them in games. Philly still has their heart and soul in terms of offensively. You know, even when things are breaking down around them, Carson Wentz is still fighting, still trying to make things happen. And the Giants don't

look now, but they're getting better. They're not good, but by the time they face the Cowboys after January first, they might be a competitive football team. So the other three teams in the division are getting better and are fighting through things. The Cowboys are not. Now that can change. But we're almost halfway through the season, fellas, and there's reaches a certain point where is it going to change? What kind of season do you want to have? Do you want to let it keep going this way or

you want to make a change. They're at a tipping point right now, while and it starts today, rap and start. I totally agree with you, guys. I'm probably the least optimistic guy because you guys know, I deal with facts. I don't deal with emotion, right, But I could tell you, guys, when I went to go join a New York Giants team right in twenty eleven, it felt like this, right, Yeah, I'm just telling you from it felt like this, right, What happened eleven. I walked away with a ring, right.

I walked away with a super Bowl ring, right, because Hey, the light switch came on. And I'm just telling you guys from experience, it felt like this. It felt hopeless. It felt like the season was done. Oh my gosh, start thinking about next year, and I guess what. You win a game and cast get a little okay, hold on, hell, okay, that's that's who we are. And guess what. Boom? You win another game. It's like, oh shoot, let me pull out the good suits. Then let me button this button up,

you know what I mean? And he guess what in this swag comes back? And then and then guys play like that like you expected them to play whenever you put it on paper, whenever you formulated this team. So there's a chance I am not the guy, but I'm telling you the way things are set up right now, a losing record is going to win this division. A loser record is gonna win this division. So it's frustrated, as mad, as hopeless as everybody feels. Right now, this

can turn around. Now it's up to them to decide if if it is or not. But this can turn around because on paper, these guys are dudes. They haven't played dudes. But I'll tell you it's a light switch. Whether they gonna cut it on or all, we're gonna see. So three things based off of that to close the show. First Off, you're right, I think a losing record will

win this division. But even to obtain a seven and nine record, the Cowboys have to win five of their next nine games and go five and four the rest of the way. So with that being said, you're still going to you still have a long way to go in terms of getting a winning record to get to the playoffs a little bit later on. Secondly, I'm not going to discount what you just said, but no team has ever made the Super Bowl after starting two and four or two and five, and the Cowboys are of

course in that boat at the moment. And Isaiah, I don't know about your New York Giants team in twenty eleven. I don't know how they started through the first seven weeks, but I know it wasn't two and five. I'll tell you that much before they getting on a run and finding their way. But I just think overall, it's disappointing and there's much more that we need to break down XS and OZ wise, We're gonna do that tomorrow. It's fans on the fifty Tuesday, so sending your fans are

out today and tomorrow on the Parishcape stream. But that is gonna do it here for Talking Cowboys today once again, forty five minutes not enough to contain this show, because man, we've got a lot more to talk about following the twenty five to three loss to Washington yesterday. But we'll be back tomorrow for Heck Harrison, for Rob Phillips, who are Isaiah stand back and Chris Beam holding it down in the back. I'm Kyle Yeoman saying so long from

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