Talkin' Cowboys: Bijan or Bust?

break down more Cowboys news throughout the off season. Of course, we are sixteen days away from the NFL Draft. We'll talk a little bit of draft. We're gonna talk a little bit of wide receiver today as well, some news breaking, maybe not with the Cowboys, but around a potential Cowboys target at one point in time. Alongside Isaiah stand Backpatrick no C. Walker, We've got Chris Beam running everything in the Backham Kyle Yeoman's gentlemen, how we doing fantastic? How

you doing? Isaiah? You good man? How about yourself? I'm good. So as much as we missed talking about it, as much as we wanted to talk about it over and dover and dover and over again. And I mean we built it into the rundown because every that's exactly what fans want to hear, right, they want to hear about Odell Beckham Junior. It's what they want, and we missed talking about it. But guess what that saga is officially over right, the doors officially closed. Odell Beckham Junior assigned

with the Baltimore Ravens. The number is just it's it's hard to say it. I didn't get their actual numbers. I heard the up to so it's fifteen guarantee, Yeah, million, one year, great job front office. Yeah, so that was

gonna be the topic of the conversation. Would you rather have Brandon Cooks, who you got this offseason you had to trade a fifth round pick for him, or would you rather have Odell Beckham Junior and pay the price to act that the Ravens just paid for him fifteen million over one year, eight up to eighteen million this season. It's not that simple of a question, Kyle, What do you mean? You know why? It's not that simple. It's not that simple. It's pretty simple. It's pretty simple. It's simple,

but it's not simple. Tell me why it's so complicated. I'm a complicated Listen up with with Brandon Cooks. Right, half of his contract or a majority of his contract is being covered by his former team. Yeah, so by had of having him on the team, you do not You don't, you don't. You don't strap yourself, right, You don't hand strap yourself to not being able to acquire more people, right. Okay, so by having Brandon Cooks, you

have a deep threat, which is what you needed. Sure, Okay, you have somebody who's accomplished, which is what you needed. You have somebody who is smart, which is what you needed, who's gonna allow for you to run the offense that you want to run. You have somebody who has multiple thousand yards seasons, which is what you wanted. Right, And all of a sudden, now you're still in a position where you can still go out and acquire more guys if you want to, not only through the draft, but

you can still go through free agency. Should you please and acquire more guys? Flip the script. You go over to Odell Beckham. Had you acquired Odell Beckham for the number that he was just acquired for by the Baltimore Ravens. You now are not in a position to go out and continue adding to that position group or any other position group. So I say it's not as simple because it's not as much. It's not as simple as a Brandon Cook's versus Odell Beckham. It's it's not just those

two side by side. It's looking at it and saying, hey, what did the front office have to take into account to be able to make an educated, informed decision by making this the decision to go with Brandon Cooks, who might not be as dynamic of a receiver as Odo'beckham has been at one point in time. We don't know where he's at now. However, he is pretty dog on

good receiver. You add him to a roster. Dad already has another really good receiver on your roster on the opposite side now, and you still can go add pieces. That's why I say it's not as simple, but it is. You know, it's funny to me, and I tweeted it, but I'm gonna say it here again. Odell Beckham Junior. He hopped on Twitter when the rumors were running rampant that he was asking for close to twenty million dollars, and he made sure that he tweeted who said I

was asking from up to twenty million dollars. I'm just saying four's not enough. And fast forward to now much more Ravens eighteen million max value, fifteen guaranteed. I know some people say, oh, well, the eighteen is to max value. Hear me out, fifteen is guaranteed between his signing bonus and fifteen guarantee is guaranteed with an opportunity to earn up to eighteen. I would have preferred Brandon Cooks over

a twelve million dollars Odell Beckham Junior. Yeah, so I most certainly prefer him over a fifteen million dollars guaranteed Odell Beckham Junior. And that is before I start start factoring in what you were talking about, Isaiah. What Kyle knows so eloquently two torn acls and he's over the thirty year old horizon. Okay. But also Brandon Cooks has one more thousand yard receiving season than does Odell Beckham Junior. So we know what Odell Beckham Junior was in his

prime in his years with New York Giants. But we also know that while he's still highly productive. He's also not that New York Giants guy. We don't know that Brandon Cooks is still not in his prime, right. Brandon Cooks hasn't had durability issues. He's well rest season ending issues, especially especially coming off of last season in his fat with the Texans, and he was just that wasn't right. So his rep count okay. He's rested, he's healthy, rejuvenated,

is where he wants to be, right. So kudos to Odell Beckham Junior, because I think we can all agree, we're all player advocates when it comes to getting your back. Gonna get your back. Congratulations Odell Beckham. You got a team to almost pay you're asking price. But from a Cowboys standpoint and no version of the multiverse, was I going to be okay with Odell Beckham Junior at twelve plus,

let alone fifteen with a max of eighteen. I'm on a record on the show and on every other podcast that I've been on saying I would have preferred a reunion with t Y Hilton over a more expensive Odell Beckham Junior. So what do you do? You're gonna get Brandon Cooks. I'm fine, I still want Ty, and this was I'm glad you said that mail back question this week, does t Y Hilton still fit into this mix? Yes,

I think he does. But from a players standpoint, having proven that you can still be an impact guy, you're healthy, now, I think his value exceeds what his fit would be here in Dallas. So I think if you're t Y Hilton, you're saying I can get more playing time and a

higher salary somewhere else. Now that higher salary won't be fifteen million guaranteed, but it'll be higher than what the Cowboys would pay, simply because the Cowboys wouldn't need as much from him in twenty twenty three, so they wouldn't pay him as much. So from a player standpoint, I don't know that he would ACQUI us to that. From a team standpoint, absolutely, give me all the talented, give

me all the former pro bowlers, give me all. Do you really think that Dallas would lowball him much more? I don't. I wouldn't call it a lowball. I wouldn't call it a lowball. I T t Y don't. It's the value versus need equation, So I don't think it would be lowballing. I think if you from a players standpoint, he might feel his lowballing. What would you give Ty two? I give him too. I think that's too low. Here's him his standpoint, and that's fair. Here's my thing about

t Y that people don't necessarily realize. It's not this isn't Madden, this isn't just going I'm picking up a guy because he's on the street. Did not play in the regular season or for much of the regular season last year because he didn't want to. He wanted to be around his kids. He wanted to watch his family grow up. He wanted to be able to attend high school sporting events. He wanted to be able to live

his life a little bit around his family. Ty came in ready to go, and credit to him for that, veteran move, ready to go, came in and made an impact immediately. So with that being said, just because he came in ready to go and he made an impact and the Cowboys of course loved him, and he came in and did what he needed to do and did his job, doesn't mean he wants to turn back around and go to training camps. It doesn't mean he doesn't want to go back around and go to the week one,

So keep that in mind. Yes, if the Cowboys want him, go get him, because I think as a veteran presence in that room, he helped. I think if you add him into the mix with a Brandon Cooks so Michael Gallup a CD Lamb, that is a nasty, nasty trio. And you've got some young guys. Yeah, a draft pick. You've got young guys. Oh, we grab one in the draft as well. We'll see about that. That's gonna be a topic of conversation in a second. But if you want to go get t Y Hilton, do it. But

t Y Hilton's gonna have to return that. He's gonna have to want that. So don't think that it's cut and drops Kyle. Just you want him, absolutely, yes, I do, guys, Will t Wise dessert guys, he's the cherry on top. He sprinklos and sprinklos winner And you know something is he's a dessert. End of the year. December, you need a guy you called t Y? Yeah, I like it, which I put on a two shirt. He's the dessert. He's the thank you t Y and December if you need a guy called t Y. All right, So Patrick

brought this up. Patrick alluded to this, First, I want to hit the actual like the exact numbers on Odell Beckham's contract thirteen point eight three to five guaranteed its signing fifteen million average up to eighteen million in bonuses.

He's only a four million million dollar cap hit this year, but then the Ravens are going to sprinkle that out over the next four years, sprinkle starting with next year with he may not even be on the roster, but his cap HiT's going to be close to eleven million. So that's not gonna be great. Dead cap of eleven million, that's a lot. But yeah, then on the other side, Brandon Cooks, he counts as six million against the cap, but that's half and half with the Texans. Who's throwing

him the ball? We don't know yet. They don't know yet. It's not gonna be Tyler Huntley, Lamar Jackson or in certain name here I really know. Reportedly Lamar was in on trying to help recruit um ob J. But that doesn't mean that all his will suddenly my money. Yeah, no doing my money, all his will suddenly in happy land.

So it's just a perk, no clue, no clue. So with the Cowboys current wide receiver situation, current wide receiver situation, right now, you got number one, Ceedee Lamb, number two, two, Brandon Cooks, number three maybe to be if you really want to look at it. However, you want Michael Gallup. And then you have these other names like a semi Phohoko who hasn't necessarily stepped. Let's talk about the guarantees. Those three plus Turpin he's gonna be there, he'll be

there for Yeah. So usually you carry five receivers active active, maybe six if if you have a special team, so maybe six. Let'll think about this. Ye. So yeah, two spots. Are you okay with where you're at right now? Or do you go spend and I'm not gonna I'm not gonna say a draft pick. I'm gonna say a premium

draft pick at wide receiver. Do you go get one of those Jackson Smith and Jigbuzz if he falls, or at Quinston Johnson from TCU if he falls, do you go get a premium first round, second round, maybe even the third round wide receiver like you did last year with Jalen Tolbert. Knowing what you have back here at home with the addition of Cooks. I'm probably out as on a first rounder, okay, I'm not out on the

sick and a third round. I'm certainly not on the third because I'm not out on the same So if the Cowboys standpad at fifty eight and they grab one of these wide receivers at fifty eight, I'm completely fine with that because if you look at the cook situation,

it's not a long term situation. As we have this conversation, so you're going to while you're about to be able to enjoy Cooks for twenty twenty three, you also need to have the duality of being able to look beyond twenty twenty three and say, okay, who's going to be the long term complimentary piece four CD LAMB. We hope

it's Michael Galli. But if we want to keep it as a three headed monster, because we know how effective and dynamic this offense can be with a three headed monster at wide receiver, then yes, you're gonna need a post Cook's plan right now, effective this April. So yeah, I'm completely fine with it that second round, in the second round, and most certainly in the third. The reason I would shy away from it in the first is

because I'm still looking at offensive line for example. So knowing that, and if you're on the clock at twenty six, and let's just assume that Bijean is long gone, you're on the clock at twenty six, Bijean is long gone, and you have either Lawrence or a Vela still sitting there. You don't take a wide receiver. You gotta put somebody in front of Dak Prescott to help protect that man. And then you circle back in the second round and you say, okay, well what do we have here? And

then you go from there. Some of the second round receivers on my board, Quentin Johnston is the top of that list. He's very much so a borderline first round second round grade for me. Zay Flowers from Boston College where she rice from SMU, Jalen Hyatt from Tennessee, Josh Down, North Carolina, Parker Washington, Penn State, and Marvin Men's from Oklahoma.

There are options in the second round. And you just named several who were a part of the Cowboys official thirty visits ye Jalen Hyatt, Josh Downs, I mean Downs. I don't think Downs was a thirty visits. I had Hyatt, Flowers and oh wait, I have Downs and Rice. Those are the three. Okay, I would double checkdowns. I do have downs. But nonetheless, these are guys the Cowboys interested in, and I think Downs confirmed at the combine that there

was some interest, even if informal. So cowboys are looking, they're looking, and they're gonna get somebody. I don't think there's any question about that. The question is that's five spots gone. Let's assume five at some point in time in the draft, they're gonna acquire a receiver. I think we all pretty much are in agreement with that. Okay,

So that's five receivers of your six. So now you got Tolbert, Semi, Phijoko and the rest of the committee that they acquire that is already sitting there in practice squad, and they're guys that they're gonna be acquiring onto their practice squad battling for one spot. I love it, one one. I like it. I love it. If you assume the Beamer situation where if you need a guy in December, you call it t y dessert. Yeah, go get your desert.

Which one of those guys, which one of these younger receivers that you're hoping take a step up, has the biggest possibility of taking a step up? Which one do you have the most confidence in, the most the most confidence. Yeah, I'm gonna go with Okay, because I think that he's had a year to sit back and and really appreciate what a role on special teams means to this team, and how he got a chance to sit there and watch nor Brown, you know, kind of sin and then

obviously disappear based upon who's that quarterback. But he got a chance to see how long he stuck around doing one thing really well while you're still developing a receiver. And I think that this past year, having taken that off right rehabbing and working with Britt Brown and the rest of the rehabilitation squad, I think he's he's learned if he hadn't already known what hard work really is and what's required to compete at this level and stay

on a roster, whether it's out this team or another team. Right, I think that time is very important to sit back and just analyze where you're at and what value you present, because you recognize during that time that the train keeps moving. Right. So I'm not assuming that he that he came the

big head or anything like that. But I'm saying I have spent a lot of time and you recognize how minute you are in comparison to the grand scheme of things, and it gives you a greater appreciation for the opportunities that you have present to you. Here's why I am And my answer is also Semi for Hoco for a slightly different reasons but not entirely different. Been in the system multiple years. McCarthy loves him, Dak Prescott, there's chemistry there. Hell,

Simi even has chemistry with the backups. Okay, Semi Forhohoco was one of the more dominant players in this last year's training camp. I mean, it's I and you can attest to a cow. Didn't it feel like every day Semi for Hoco was making a play of some sort. Yeah, it also felt like there was every day he was making a mistake of some spirit consistency. I feel like if you put it even if that considered, you put

it all in a package. And it's hard for me to compare that to the struggles that Jalen Tilbert, for example, had in year one, And say, Jalen Tilbert has the edge going into twenty three over Semi for Hoko, who even with the mistakes and he still needs to grow, and he's coming off of the injury. He's been in the system. He understands the quarterbacks, he understands the timing, and he's been developing, not simply as because he came in as more of a speed guy, but he's learning

how to attack the ball at the high point. He's getting better with running his route, So you're seeing some development there Whereas if you look at the others who would have to fight with him to get that sixth spot, presumably you don't have as many pros versus as many cons. So I think the lead horse for WR six right now has to be Semi for Hoko, and I think

that's going to be the case. And for Hoko, much like Tobert and some of these other guys, he's in the dack yard as well this offseason working with Dak Prescott and now Brandon Cooks and some of these other guys. So I think the edge goes to Semi for Hoco for WR six. But if you're talking about one of the more interesting position battles going into the summer, like White receiver especially if the Cowboys do what we expect, which is draft a guy. Oh man, that's that's gloves off.

It's gonna it's gonna be. You also have to start looking at what value do each of those guys bring you talk, you talk about Simi Phoco is more verse now in special teams Simko. Simi Phoco also has a larger frame, Okay, and he's more physical. So when you look at the receiver room as it stands, who's your physical receiver? Uh? Probably Phoco six three two twenty. I mean that's probably your I'm like nor Brown was your

physical guy. He get his hands dirty, exactly right, crackback blocks, you know, get in there, being the wing position, blocking Dana. Even think about just getting outside, think about just getting on the outside and having a contested catch. Guy. You don't really have one of those on your roster right now. So if you're going to draft a guy, maybe that's where you look. Maybe that's the type of receiver, the proto type that you're looking at because you need that out.

So how big is that from a quarterback standpoint of having different elements of receiver, different different different types. Yeah, all this stuff matters. I mean every situation presents something different, right, So you have an advantage in disadvantage in every situation, every play, on every passing scheme. So you need to have a go to guy. Sometimes I need to come in there and have a quick guy that I need. I need to be able to beat beat the slot

I sometimes I beat a nickelback. Sometimes I need a route specialist, right. Sometimes I need a sure handed guy. Sometimes I need a guy that's go up there and go grab that thing and just eat some syrial off somebody helmet right. Doesn't have to be the best ball, but if I put it up there, he's gonna come down with him. So, depending on the situation, you need the versatility of guys. There are very few teams in

this league that have the same style of receiver. Very few better look at Kansas City to make that point. Kansas City they get specialists at wide receiver. They get the speech or they get the route runner, you know, they get the tough guy who wants to get dirty and crack a chest plate. Yeah. So that I think the Cowboys, and this is something we kind of touched

on a few weeks ago. It's interesting because I've seen the Cowboys start to borrow from a formula like what you're seeing in Kansas City, especially at the wide receiver position. And if you do that, the formula is proven, and that excites me. It's it's fine to do wide receiver by committee if your committee is elite in everything they specialize in. Ceedee Lamb is elite, is becoming elite, and

arguably he is now elite. And what he specializes in, Brandon Cooks is elite, and what he specializes in speed taking the top off Michael Gallup if he can have a bounce back year. He's elite at eating cereal off of the top of a guy's helpme, okay, and then you add from there. So for me, I see what the cowboys doing at this moment as eerily reminiscent of what the Kansas City chiefs have been doing for years now. They lost Tyreek Hill in the trade, or not lost him,

because you trade the guy, you didn't lose him. So they trade Tyreek Hill, and everybody said, oh, well, the sky is gonna fall. Patrick Mahomes is gonna turn into kryptonite. Not so fast. What do you do? You bring in Juju, a guy who was specialized he specialized in this particular thing, which complimented me coole with special go dogs, which complimented who specialized in the certain thing. Cowboys can stand to

learn from that formula, and I think they are. Ah Man, that's so interesting because I feel like if they were to follow that path, they would need to add one more guy and they would be a physical, bodied wide receiver that's going to be a starting caliber guy on the outside. Which there's a couple of those guys in the draft. But for the most part, and even reports coming out lately that aren't necessarily surprising, but it actually helps the Cowboys is that the league isn't as high

on this wide receiver class as the media is. That there's there's thoughts that these wide receivers are going to start slipping. Maybe not the top guys, maybe not the Jackson Smith and Jigbuzz, the Jordan Addison's, the Quentin Johnston's, but like that second tier, the names that I wrote read off earlier, they might slip this league. Apparently the league does not like it, or that's what the reports are. The league is not as infatuated with these wide receivers

as the media is. So if you get fifty eight. Could that be subterfuge from just g we've seen that. You might see that, But to me, from Dallas's perspective, you might also see them what we talked about in the last episode, go out there and acquire a big boy tight end just because of what this tight end is. His name, Yeah, I just say his name, say his name, but yeah, he's from your school. Say his name from

your school. I'm saying that there are guys out there that they might they might go out there and acquire because of what this, what Linda Wells has done with that tight end group historically, and no one getting versatile guys at that position group make it so that you don't have to have as deep of a receiving corps. That makes sense as a name. Darnielle Washington also one of the Cowboys official thirty visits. I had a conversation with Lunda kind of off the cuff last week about Darnell,

and Lunda's eyes lit up. Yeah, big fan of Darnell Washington. There you go. So now, to be fair, there are a couple of other players that he's also a fan of the Cowboys potentially looking into first in the early

second round. But that conversation was specific to Darnell, and I was just wondering, you know, what was his feel on him strengths, opportunities for improvement, and U Lunda really really likes what Darnell brings to the table, and he agrees that he's a how could you not, I mean, freak of a let's talk about you talk about ceiling. It's hard to not like where he brings to the table. So really interesting to keep in mind. All right, and

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had a big part of that inju I did? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, I've been reading this draft guide a lot here getting ready for the Draft here, Kyle, I'm literally looking forward to it. It's really informative. Yeah, that's the official twenty twenty three Dallas Cowboys Star magazine, The NFL Draft Guide. If you want to just call it the Cowboys Draft Guide, you can do that too, fine now available. This year's edition features scouting reports for more than ever and over

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Kyle put into that. Kurtis Will, Kurt Daniels, Michael Villeria, Yeah, man, everyone ever a great job, everybody, And thanks guys for letting me tap in on that and get, you know, an episode of the Science Lab and they're talking about that was the first thing I read science. You know, like you get a yearbook a lot of times, the first thing you do is you flip to your your own picture, you know, like that wasn't the case with me.

I flipped right to your story and I read that's funny because me, I'm like Erica, but I do know I'm sensitive about my so I actually flew right past mine. I went straight to your work. I went straight to yours. Let me see what, let me not let me not read that, let me not read you a page. I went to gott which ones you go to? You went to find the centerfold you and then he took the state wrong wrong Cowboys Star Magazine. I went to page fifty two, Kyle, Oh, I know what I want at

twenty six. Yeah, you won't want a big boy. Want a big boy, big fellow, big boy. Straight to the middle of the middle of the magazine. But he's holding up a picture of Osiris Torrence. It's not a it's not a centerfold poster that you can rip out, unfortunately. Okay, yeah, maybe next year he's taking up the whole page. Yes,

that's literal. Yeah, man, how much of how many of those would we have sold if we would have just put a big center fold like picture and it's b Jean Robinson edited into a Cowboys uniform, and it's just that it's just sold almost its bait. It would be basa, it would totally be all right, let's take some calls from Cowboys Nation. Shall we start things off in the great state of Florida. Dan oh is on the line. Dan, you're back on talking Cowboys. How's it going good? How

you guys doing what you're doing? Great? Well, I want to talk a little bit about the the O and D line. Okay, Okay, I know, I know Jerry Jones made a comment something to the effect that Steel should be the swing tackle. I think that's a huge mistake. Uh. I think you gotta have seventy three out at left tackle. You got to get a guard. You got to get

a real road greater in this draft. And there are several and and and I think Patrick and and some of you other folks have said taken a guard at twenty six is and the worst thing in the world. I totally agree with that. Matter of fact, That's where I would go. He ottish solid. I think Zack Martin is Zach Martin. And everything I've seen and read about Terrence Steel is that he's making great progress in his rehab. You know, Tyrone I would give him his gold jacket.

If he wants to be the swing tackle and can accept that position, I would go that route. But I don't see the sense and put in him in. He hasn't played an entire season since I think twenty seventeen, so we're talking, you know, five six seasons. You know the best you know of what's that saying? The best ability is availability? He isn't given around that often. And I'd hate to see the continuity of that offensive line broken up because from one puzzle piece of a puzzle

and then on the D line. I gotta be honest, I'm glad they got Hankins back. I mean, as I agree totally would pathic that manage the key up front. I wish we had gotten Carlos Watkins back. I really do. I think that is a big time lost. I mean, oh, diggi zuwa is solid. I think Chauncy Goldstein has got the ability at the potential to be something special inside at That's just my thoughts. I'm not a Neville Gallimore fan. I mean I watched every game. He seems to get

washed a lot. I mean, if you remember that backbreaking throw to Kittle over the middle in the San Fran game, he's in coverage on the guy. Why if you look at that, he gets washed down the line of scrimmage, turns around seats you know, Kittle, and he faces him. Maybe that's good, but I don't know. Um anyway, that's just my nickel. I really think that. I think the Cowboys. I'm tired of his Dak bashers. I'm so tired of him. I mean, he played at an elite level. We have

seen him play at an elite level. And I think two things. I do agree that making the change at the OC was was necessary, and I also think Bilbin just you know, I don't think he was getting the most out of those guys. I don't know anything much about this new guy other than you know he was Tom Landry. Well that's fifty years ago. Um, that was the offense, that was the offensive line coach. By the way, that that that was with Landry. Really, yeah, I don't

I don't remember that. But uh, he's got to be in his early seventies at this point. Yeah, you know, I just don't know if if that's a great fit. But again, you know, I'm sitting here and those guys are sitting there and making a decision, So that's something. Um, but again, I just think grabbing a guard is the most important thing. I think. Uh, I agree with the receivers. Um,

I'd love to see t Y Milton back. I think it's I think it's really I think I got something gone with him too, And I think you got to look at a comfortability factor. Completely agree, Dan, thanks so much for the call. Really appreciate you. And let's let's start with let's start with offensive line, because that's where he kind of wanted to go initially. And we've brought this topic of conversation up in terms of Terrence Steel, We've we've brought the topic of conversation up with Tyren Smith.

Do you think it's all just a smoke screen? Do you think it's all just I hope so playing games. I mean, because it could be. It could be just playing that card just to kind of rile everybody up. It could be. And we know, as well as everyone else knows that Jerry Jones does love to stir the pot a bit every once in a while, keep the cowboys' names in the headlines and at the water cooler as

talking points, and hopefully this is what that is. Just logistically speaking, though, and we talked about this in detail a couple weeks ago. I just don't see how how it makes great roster sense to demote Terrence Steele or try to move him inside, which is what some people are speculating might happen. I think Terrence ste he's proven that he's a really good starter at right tackle, and

you keep with that. So if he's going to be on this roster, which it appears that he will be, and we'll see, if you know, barring any kind of other team making an offer that the Cowboys don't want to match because the Cowboys have a second round tender on him, they get a second round pick set c. But assuming that Tyren still is still on the team come September and he's healthy and ready to go, he

has to be your starting right tackle. Don't create issues where issues don't exist because you already have issues to figure out. Guess what your left guard needs to be figured out. You need to figure out how you're going to do this Tyler Smith versus Tyron Smith thing. But on the left side. So on the right side, a healthy Terrence Steele plus Zach Martin, you got that side figured out don't go shuffling it unnecessarily. Tyron Smith. By the way, I mean since twenty twenty, he's played in

seventeen games. Since twenty twenty, that's three seasons. He's missed two entire regular seasons. In terms of games worth of games, he's missed twenty four games in the last I'm not demoting Terrence do three seasons twenty four or that's not that's not even twenty four. That's terrible math on my part. That's thirty four games in the last two or three seasons. Isaiah. That's a lot, it's a lot um and unfortunately he can't help that. But when he's present, I don't think

there's anybody who's had any complaints about his performance. No, Nope, he's an animal. But that's probable, that's that's a problem. But that's that's what he can control, right, So as long as Dallas Cowboys decided to keep him around, he's gonna control the controllables, and that's performing well when he's on the field. Now, the other aspect, that's for the upper management to figure out in terms of what that

situation looks like. But when he's called upon and when he's on the field, he shows up until they started talking about his play is falling off. Hes gonna be around. I mean every time that he's played in at least double digit games since twenty thirteen, double digit game since twenty thirteen, he's made a Pro Bowl. That's all it's been. He even played eleven games in twenty twenty one and he made a Pro Bowl. He is stiller, Yeah, but it's that's the biggest asterisk there. Quickly hit on the

defensive line. He mentioned Neville Galimore and how he's been disappointing. He's not alone in that sentiment. I think Neville Gallimore is under the microscope as soon as training camp is underway in Oxnard. He I mean, he's going to be heavily scrutinized. Yes, yes, because of the role that they had, the role that they had set for him to fulfill. I think they wanted him to be what Hankins is. I don't think they wanted him to be more of

a penetrator than versus being a run stopper. You know, I think he's he's kind of fallen into the category of a penetrator now instead of being that big, big man that really locks things up in a side he's more soul that he's more soul the ladder than the guy that's actually holding things up and being a John Hankins. So I think that they're hoping that he kind of fulfills that role. He kind of acknowledges that, Hey, we don't need more guys getting vertical of the field like

we got. We have guys for that. Right to the point we were just talking about in regards the offense, we need guys that can go up there and clock some things up and consume blocks. And if you can't be that guy, then to Kyle's point, you're going to be heavily scrutinizing. And I hope that they address that in the draft again or in free agency again. But they need to add somebody behind big John Hankins. They have to add that. No secret, I was and remained

high Nevill Gallimore. And I can tell you what I think the problem is with Nevil Gallimore. And I've said this before and a couple of Science Lab articles. He's a bowling ball, and with a bowling ball, bowling balls require momentum. So if you go back and you look at his film pre NFL and in the NFL. The more reps he gets, the more momentum he gets, the

more of an impact player he is. Once you start to reduce those reps, he loses momentum, and then when you put him in the game, you're not going to see nearly as much impact. How Dan Quinn balances that going forward, knowing that he has so many guys that he can throw waves and waves of guys at opposing offenses,

that's going to be the challenge. I have seen Nevill Gallimore be an impact player, but his biggest place, his biggest games he's had with the Cowboys, and prior to coming to the Cowboys has been games where he's logged a lot of reps. Once he gets going, he's very hard to stop. But until you get him going, he's not as hard to stop. So the talent is there, but he's very momentum based. So I call I refer to him as a bowling ball juggernaut. There you go,

Juggernaut Marvel style. Once he gets going, there's nothing that's really stopped at him. But if you get him standing still, then it's easy to keep him from moving forward. So that's the perfect analogy for Nevill Gallimore. Now, as far as Carlos Watkinson is concerned, the Cowboys tried to keep him. Spoke with dan Quinn not one day before Colins Watkins went to the Arizona Cardinals. And then if you go and look at the Arizona Cardinals the deal they gave

him one year of minimum deal. Obviously the Cowboys were willing to match that, maybe even go a little bit over. It just seems like Carlos Watkins decided that it was a better situation for him in Arizona. Maybe he gets more reps because they clearly at the defensive line, the interior, they don't have as many bodies vying for reps as the Cowboys do. So from a players standpoint, I want

to play. It makes sense he wants to play, and if the money is equal or similar, there you go, and he's going to another dome team and a warm climate. It's not like he's going outside to Green Bay. So from a Carlos Watkins standpoint, I get it. But the Cowboys and dan Quinn, dan Quinn specifically told me he was hopeful and optimistic after they got Hankins that they could keep Watkins, but Watkins made his choice so kind

of some clarity there. But Chauncey Ghoston needle point in due North, Osa or Diggi Zuwa is coming off of a breakout season. So we can't look at Osa and say, Okay, well, we feel like he can be if you're a Cowboys fan, so we feel like he can take the next step. He's already taken a huge step, so you have to now be excited about where he can go from here.

A couple of things on that. I mean, first, you gotta also in this adds to your point, but you got to remember that when he was drafted in twenty twenty, Mike Nolan was the head of this defense. I mean it was one year and then it was Dan Quinn, so he might have had a role change. He might have been thought as a three technique, as a guy

who can go sideline to sideline. I just went back and looked at my scouting report that I had him on had on him in the twenty tinety draft sideline to sideline for Nevill Gallimore, and I was like, he doesn't have bend, he doesn't have pass rush ability, but he's still somebody that's gonna he's gonna defend the run. He's gonna plug up gaps, He's gonna take up multiple gaps. Yeah,

I love the bowling ball reference, I really do. And then the second thing on it is, if I were to say today what the pick would be at fifty eight, I don't think it's gonna happen at twenty six. I would put a strong feeling that it would be Mazzi Smith from Michigan interior defensive line, big time one technique to come in and learn behind Jonathan Hankins. Really, in my opinion, Modsy Smith was the best run defender I

watched in the interior defensive line in college football. So one pick first, pick one and two with the big fellows on the inside, Go watch excited, Go watch him for me. I'll send you. I'll send you some tape. I say, I want you to watch him for me. I want you to let me know what you think about it with definitely. All right, let's go to Brian and Iowa. You're on Talking Cowboys. Brian, how's it going, Hey, it's going pretty good. How are you guys doing it

doing great? What's on your mind? Well? I just heard you guys talking about Hankins. I think that was the biggest prize in the off season for the Cowboys, and um, I believe that the Cowboys are not done doing third dude diligence in the free agency or um or a post draft. You know something that we don't know? Are you trying to trying to drop a scoop here? What

what you got on them? No? I think Jerry and Steven are working their wheel magic of being the genius of businessmen that they are and showing the media that they're not afraid doing what they do best. Okay, and what is how do you expect them to use that over the next couple of weeks. I expect them to either trade up in the draft okay, or trade down to get multiple picks to get more valuable players that they feel like could help the team to get to that next step. Brian, I love this, and you just

gave us the perfect transition into our third segment. Thank you for the call. We're going to take our second break. Brian and Iowa just set us up perfectly. Are they Cowboys going to pick at twenty six? Will they pick at twenty six or are there other options available? We'll talk about it when we come back right after this with more talking cowboys. Todd thought it would be secure

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were the Cowboys at twenty six? Would you rather I'll keep it simple, trade up or trade down? In this draft? What would you rather do? Trade up, spend some picks, go get a higher quality prospect, or pull the parachute, get out and take in some high quality picks in return. It's the only options I have, only two. Give me the double parachute for three thousands. Wow. Double you're trading out twice. You're gonna trade down to thirty four and

then to trade down to forty five. John Schneider approach. He trades out the seventh round. Um, yeah, go go get some more. Okay, get some more. I'm not necessarily for this year, but and you know, for years to come. But I don't want them trading out. I think twenty six is a good spot for words for what they need right now. I think they've done a great job positioning themselves before the twenty six pit. Okay, that's not

a bad idea. If Vijon is not there at a round, and I've said it, if he's there, still in the clock at nineteen, still available at nineteen, you're on the phone, you should be making some calls. Assuming he's gone, and I think he's going top ten, definitely top fifteen. Um, put the parachute, get out of there, because I feel like the odds of you, anyone you pick at twenty six of Viala, notwithstanding, towards, notwithstanding, will be there for

you at you know, thirty eight, thirty nine. And then you get back on a pick having already sent two picks away, which Kyle and I were laughing about before we got on, before we went hot, because you sent two fits away, one for Gilmore, one for Cooks. And we're not saying that's a bad thing, because it's not a bad thing. We're simply saying it's, you know, objectively, it's the fact you sent away two picks, and we

love the reason you sent those away. However, here's a chance to get a pick back and a plus one back. And again, you're not talking I wouldn't double parachute like, no, we're not, we're not. But if you're talking about going from twenty six too, you know, high thirties, low forties, get you another pick still in a great position for early day too, I think i'd be I'm completely fine

with that. I know a lot of Cowboys fans who will be sitting around all night on Thursday waiting to see who the Cowboys pick in the first round, just to find out that the Cowboys traded back, will be very upset. But we've also seen that just because you're upset one day doesn't mean you won't be elated at the next circle back to free agency if you need evidence, or even years draft too. A lot of people on Twitter were posting their reactions to Tyler Smith. I would

absolutely trade a fun Day one for an electric day two. Okay, that's a fair way. And you mentioned a lot of names earlier, the thirty visit names. If you're looking at bread crumbs with this Cowboys team the way that they brought in those thirty visits, those prospects are second round early second round picks. A lot of them are too rich for fifty eight. They're not going to be there at fifty eight, but they're also not valuable enough for

twenty six exactly. So if you're looking at that, then that means trading down as a possibility to get multiple of those guys. Think about this, if if you were to trade up, I've heard of a couple landing spots. Sixteen is one. If they really wanted to go get up and try and get Bijeon. Bijean makes it out of the top fifteen, Bijean Robinson, the running back for Texas is there. It's sixteen, You get on the phone, you start making calls to try and get up to sixteen,

seventeen or eighteen. It's probably gonna cost you. You're twenty sixth overall pick, maybe a second rounder and then maybe like like a late round six. This question at twenty six. This is for all as in giggles. Okay, you have an option to get Bijan or an option to get a Vila. It's not even like you heat they're both at twenty Sorry, Steve, I'm asked at twenty six. Now I'm going straight to Bijean and I'm running that card.

The reason I've been a long career Bijan I'm not even and I'm no, I'm not even gonna play that game. I think Bijan's a better player. I would say I was out on talking about Bijean because I eat in no world. I see him available at twenty six. But in this scenario, if he's there at twenty six, what are we even doing? Backflips? What have you been talking about? Seriously, what are we talking about? I've I've heard some interesting things.

If he's there twenty six, you grab Beijan to twenty six. Yeah, Unfortunately, you lose out on the villa. And I'm huge on a villa. But you lose out on the villa. Then what you can do, though, is you can package to move up in the second round from fifty eight and you go back and you you dress the offensive line there. So now you got your electric running back and you address your offensive line and then you go from there

and figure it out. But yeah, I know you don't like drifting a running back to you at twenty six. That's almost like getting Beijan in the second round. I take basically, I'm taking emotions out of it. I'm taking emotions out. I'm not saying you are trust if you go watch, I'm looking at it for I get it. But he only do it my emotions. But he can only do as much as his offensive line allows. For his offensive line in Texas was absolute garbage. He still

ran for fourteen hundred yards and twenty touchdowns. I think I think he's fine. Yeah, Ezekiel was kind of good in Cauage to so I mean, yeah, yeah, how long did you How long did he last year? Seven years? Okay, that's how long would alignment last year? WHOA are we talking? We're talking about Tyran Smith? Are we talking about I'm talking about I'm talking about Zach Martin. I'm talking about Fredericks.

I'm talking about you know what I mean. Like but Cyrus Torrence and Steve or not Travis Frederick and not Zach Martin. It is more comparable to put Bijean up against the OSU version of Ezekiel Elliot than it would be to put Torrence who a veal, up against Zach Martin or you know, Travis Frederick out of Wisconsin or Tyren Smith. It's those are two different conversations. I get it, over and kneed. I got a question. I got a question, Yes, I got it. Would you have taken Ezekiel Elliot at

twenty six overall if that was the scenario. If the answer is yes, you just answered your question. I have to go back and look at what the rossal like back then. No, I mean in this scenario because again no, Bijean, I think I think it's easier to find a free agent running back than it is to find a dominant office alignment. Agree. That's that's my that's my only person. I agree that in a vacuum that is one accurate And there's no one who pounds the table more for

RBS matter than be period hands down. That said, not all rbs are created the same, so what you will get in free agency is not always going to be what you might get if you have a shot at a Beijan or an Ezekiel Elliott. Could you have replaced to Marco Murray with the free agent running back? Yeah, you got a thousand yards out of Darren mcfatten. But was Darren mcfatten ever going to be for you with Ezekiel Elliott was for you in his prime? The answer is no. Is a free agent going to be what

Bijan can be for you? No disrespect to any free agent, they all bring value to the table, but let's have a straight honest conversation. The answer is no. So if Bijan, for whatever reason, is there at twenty six, that's the answer. That's the pick. But I don't see that he will be super hypothetical. I just go by. I don't think it's out of the question. I really don't. And here's the thing. If you're if you're a team in the top ten, you're having this exact same conversation because there

are more dominant players in the top tenation. That's what I'm saying. At twenty six, it should not be a conversation because, like you said initially, that's a second round grade on a player. For the most part, Bijan's a top ten player in this draft. But because of the positional value, I don't think it's out of the ordinary that he does slip to twenty six. Do you think

do I think it's likely? No? Do I think it's possible. Absolutely? Now, I, like I said, I agree with what your statement was, where it's easier to find a running back than it is to find a dominant offensive lineman. If you could guarantee me that Osirius Torrence Steve Avula are going to be those dominant forces, they're going to be the Zach Martins of the world. Yes, give me those guys, but they're neither one of those or guarantees. There are knocks

against both of their games. Bijean, it's hard to even knock his game because he was that dominant. Listen, think about it this way. Think about it this way, Lamb Cooks, Gallup, Ferguson, Hinder shot Pollard Bijon with decade quarterback stop him. I dare you give it your best shot? Good luck? I mean, this is what you could put in your hypothetical, This is what you could have with a twenty sixth overall. Peek, I hear you. You know you know New Yor Giants

Philadelphia Eagles. No, you're Washington Commander's defensive lines. I knew what I knew that was coming. Do you know. I'm more I'm more confident. I'm more confident that Bijean will make an instant impact than I am, as much as I love I am. You're talking, You're talking to somebody who played with like a physical specimen like Brandon Jacobs. If you get to him in the backfield, it doesn't matter matter how great he is, it doesn't matter how

dominant of a physical juggernaut he is. If you get to him in the backfield, if you let him get past the line of scrimmage because offensive line is blocking for him. Yeah, now you got problems. You're not. This is why I totally get what you double back in the second round, even move up and address your offensive line. I'm not saying ignore your offensive line. So for those that are listening, Isaiahs, we'll go different hole. Isaiahs one

percent correct. What I'm simply adding on is you don't pass on a value like beijon a top ten pick at twenty six. You say yesterday, you pull the trigger, and then you figure the offensive line out with the Knicks pick that's what I'm saying, all right. What I'm saying is we got to get out of here before Being kicks us out. But that's gonna do it for us. It's gonna be Nate. Yeah, Nate's gonna come in here

and he's gonna be talking about offensive lineman. He's gonna join Isaiah's forces, and it's just gonna be over for us. But that's it, all right. We had some fun. We had a lot of stuff today. We went all over the place for Chris being Isaiah standback Patrick, No see Walker. I'm Kyle Yeoman saying so long, Yes, good cashab Yes, yes, yes.

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