Talkin' Cowboys: Biggest Concerns Into Week 3

Brian Broadus, Mickey Spagnola, Kent Garrison producing as well. We've got a big show for you guys today as the Cowboys get back to practice on a Wednesday. Get ready for those Seattle Seahawks. How is everybody? I'm good, got your new Tommy John guy. You know what I forgot to take them out of my back. I actually can raise my hand on that one. Yes, I was interested, and I'm like, okay, I mean I we have them, but I kind of like, you know, thank you Tommy

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on game day. On game day, yeah, okay, to be a ten of Yes. No, you can't have no wedgies, wedgie free. This is a wedgie free show. This is not a seahawk free show. Today they'll start breaking them down today. We did a little bit yesterday. I thought, Brian, by the way you on on the website today, you're gonna start diving into it. You're to have your three key guys, right, the Nemesis, the Weapon, and the under the radar. So if you can check that out, that

should be up here in a little bit. I bet I know one of them. Give me one of them. I bet j Mickey could talk about my first guy, Earl Thomas on that list. Nemesis. Yeah, that's yours. I think he's my weapon, he's your weapon, he's my webon weapon. Yeah,

he's the weapon. Well, and I think he's the weapon because of what we what we potentially what we went through last week with Landing Collins, that if you get a guy that plays at some depth that can come forward and make tackles and create problems for you, you know, with no Cam Chancellor, they don't have that ability. They need somebody that sits in the back and and comes flying up to make those plays. So that's that's gonna be the weapon that they're gonna have to do. He's

a guy, and we have to be careful with this too. Boys. Is if you get uh Dak Prescott running the football, you know, and you do the read options and the things where he's keeping, that's a little bit different. Cat. We saw what happened when Jalen Smith gets ahead of steam coming forward. Same thing can happen with Earl Thomas coming forward on your quarterback. So I have to be

a little bit careful about that. Have to be careful with him creating turnovers, not only interceptions, but also the fumbles. This guy's always ripping at the ball. He's always trying to get the ball loose, so runners in piles have to be careful with him. He's just still plays at a tremendously high level. Missus all the training camp and has an interception in Denver game. So that just shows you he's always going to be around the football and

he's always gonna be physical finishing. So those are things you have to be worried about with him, and that's why I described him as this weapon here for the Seahawks. I went back and watched the game for Monday night specifically to see him. Now, I didn't have the all twenty two, right, I didn't have it either, but so it's hard to see the secondary. The stats said he had four tackles, two assisted. Yeah, nothing else zeroed out. I didn't notice him in the game. I didn't notice

him make a difference in that game. And I'm looking, I'm looking for twenty nine and I see him coming in late, standing there watching people make tackles. I saw him myself make like three tackles. Yeah. I didn't see him force anything. I just he was a no show in the game. Now that they didn't play very well defensively, and they're missing their linebackers, so that could have something to do with it. Yeah. Uh. The guy I would worry about is Bobby Wagner. If he's gonna play, Yeah,

and I don't think. I think. I think he's gonna be back. I think he's gonna play in this game. That's the guy I would worry about because they've struggled with middle linebackers the last couple of weeks. That is true, like getting to the second level block tomorrow, you get matchups, so get ready for that. That's that's one of the guys I would worry about. But I just didn't see anything from Merle that said, boy, I got to give

up a second round pick for that. Well, you don't. Now, you don't have to get up a second round pick now if you want to do that. And you know, one of my things, I think the question you have to ask yourself today is do you feel good enough about the safeties that you don't want to make a trade? You know, when you when you start bringing up Earl Thomas,

I still think Earl Thomas is an elite player. Me and I understand Mickey what you saw, and I'm not as long as people are watching and looking at their own eyes, I never I'm not going to question somebody's analysis. You know you're you're sitting down yet you know, hell, you'll get scouts to sit in a room and look at tape together, and you'll have ten different opinions on a player. So I'm not considering, say, Mickey, you don't know what the hell you're talking about, but you know,

I think that you have to. I think that you you know, you have to look at this, uh, you know, this situation with the Cowboys though, and and you know, say, okay, what you know, how's it going to roll? You know? Yeah, two games in. I mean, especially with the safety spot. I mean that's you know, do you feel good enough about Cavon Frasier? Do you feel good enough? I mean, I've got, like iaid, I've got some questions today and I hope we get to them in the second half.

We will, And I just want to ask you guys these things, and hell, I'll ask I'll ask this question right now then if if it helps, if it helps our discussion. You know who's been a better super sub Joe Luniar, Cavon Frasier. You know, if you think of that, I mean you and I include Caveon Frasier that because the safety I mean, maybe you don't have to go get Earl Thomas. Maybe when when when Xavier Woods comes back, Cavon Frasier will be a good backup guy to have.

I don't think he's killed him. Through the first two weeks this season. I bet I've been impressed with I'd say Cavon because I've been impressed with just how many snaps he's handled with a shoulder injury. By the way, He's never played that many snaps, and he had the sack the other night. That's also good scheme. I mean, just dialing up those blitzes and that's it is more than what we've seen under Rod in the past. I'd go with Cavon. Although Joe Luney has has been solid.

I think, especially in the Giants game, the offensive line is ahole did better job. Who is And I don't mean to answer a question with a question, but Cavan Frasier has surprised me. Oh yeah, surprised you guys by not because we all thought, oh, I have another question. Surprise most of the line of scrimmage. But he's kind of played in coverage. He's I didn't think he had the ability to blitz. I didn't think he had the ability to cover. I knew he had the ability to

hit you, yeah that I did know. He made a play, broke up a pass in space against Christian McCaffrey in Week one, and I said, wow, Okay, I mean that's a dimension that we don't hear about with him. You know, Xavier Woods is the coverage safety in that group. You know, maybe this, I guess the point I'm trying to make is maybe this group was right the group, I mean,

the front office about their safeties. Yeah, they did try and get Earl Thomas, but they only tried to get Arl Thomas after the Seattle Seahawks allowed him to try and get Role Thomas. But there's a there's a side of me that and I love Earl Toomas I do. I mean, I heck, I'd take Earl Thomas every day. But maybe they don't have to take Earl Thomas now, maybe because of what you think of Cavon Frasier and what you think of you know, the potential of Xavier

Woods and Jeff Heath. You know, we don't know a whole hell of a lot about Campbell. You know, he's the one guy that survived yesterday. You know, they got rid of Robinson, Tyree Robinson wave for Bryce Butler, who is officially back. Yeah, but I don't. Maybe maybe Frasier and these guys, these Safeties are making them feel like, you know what, we don't have to make that deal. And then and then can you factor in, I don't know, you're gonna save ten million dollars? Yeah, I mean I well,

it's because that's still girls gonna count. It's sure cost sure, And you're absolutely right. I think to me it would be worth it for ten million dollars. But there's also a side of me that also is not stupid enough to bang my head against the wall and say and say, well, these Safeties were playing bad. And you know, if the Safeties were playing bad, you would have to say, okay, it's worth it to go get Earl Thomas. But necessarily now,

I don't through two weeks. Two weeks. I look at the roster and I asked the question too after two games, and I'm not saying there's other trade opportunities out there at certain spots I don't know, but well, you okay, left my release behind. I wanted to look at the schedule. Here you go, buddy, which side of the ball needs help more? See that's where that's okay. This will lead me to another question. If you going, let's keep going. If you could trade for a position to help this team,

right now, what would you trade for? Just a position? I'm not asking you to give me a player, but is there a position that you would consider trading for? That was question number five that I had on this list. If you could trade for a position to help this team, what would it be? Thanks, I left it behind. Yeah, this is all wrinkled. Yeah, mine back before he spilled coffee on it or something. Any position? Yeah, is there a position that you would trade for? Well, I'm looking

at I got one of mine. I'm looking at wide receiver and tight end. Yeah, I'm I'm thinking of a tight end. Yeah, you know this this team doesn't have a legitimate tight end. It's got guys, and I'm to the point now where you know what, I'm okay, let's bring Schultz back and I'm gonna sit Blake Jarwin for this game. I'm just gonna keep rotating these guys until I figure out my best three because I think I'm

Swain is solid enough active every week, I think. But yeah, the other three yeah yeah, based on matchups, yeah, you know, and it's not because Blake Jarwin had a unfortunate experience trying to feel a onside kick. I just don't think Blake Jarwin has done enough for me. Is a blocker, and that's not his cup of tea. It's unfair to him for me to say that. But has he done

anything else in the passing game? Yeah, if his job was to do stuff in the passing if he can qualify his spot by catching a bunch of balls, and then you go, Okay, the blocking, I'll I'll live with I'll live with you. And we haven't we haven't seen he's seen that. It's Jessica bar theory. I'm gonna roll I'm gonna roll him out this week, and I'm gonna put Schultz back in there and just see maybe the

best combination. Well, you know, and you're right, You're not gonna roll Swam out of there because they use him way too much. He can do. He's more complete than anybody. Yeah. But yeah, if somebody had a legitimate tight end, I might if they will get well, maybe some team has two guys, you guys, but let me ask you this. We have four, and it's kind of a up in the air. Would you be looking more for a guy that can do Jarwin type stuff down the field as a pass catcher, or or a guy that can help

you in the running game as a blocker. Give me a guy, Give me a better James Hannah. Give me a better James Hannah can do bow both and play special teams too. Yeah, give me you know a guy that could be on your punt your punt return team, your punt team, kickoff return, all that stuff. But he's a he's a good point of attack blocker, and he's capable of making you know, two or three plays, you know. I mean, I'm not asking him make seven catches a game or six catches a game, but I'm asking him

make two or three catches a game. And you saw what they were thinking about the blocker right when they went three tight ends brought in Cameron Fleming. Don't worry about that as long as he can block. Although I think on one of those that was one of the holdings, and I was sitting there going it was it was the Joe lou Alliance, not seventy five yea, not Joel. The was the third and one play that that oh

Collins got held on. Collins held see to me that I don't know, I mean tight in was the first thing that came to my mind when I wrote that question down to you, guys, you feel better about the wide receivers. I mean, you got a million of them. I don't. I don't like seventeen, Mickey. It's up to you, being the former newspaperman, to get to the bottom of why they got seven wide receivers on this team. I will try, because somebody needs to ask that question. I

just think this is really bad roster management. My point seven. They're kicking tires. Okay, seven receivers, four tight ends, and they've got two players that don't One of the players is Travis Frederick, who doesn't truss who they're keeping on the roster. And the other player you're going to get back is Jones this week. I mean, he's gonna help you. But think about they were carrying all those guys on the forty three, on the fifteen, on the fifty three too,

you know, and that I don't know. I have no good answer, and you know, here I'm saying, oh, well, Williams is going to do this and get suspended and all that. I don't know. I'm just throwing it out there because like trying to figure out why that's a logical speculation. Right, then then you're dat back down to six. Yeah, potentially. Obviously that's just pure speculation. It's just for like two games, three games, it's just for end games. Yeah, I mak.

I just think they're kicking tires, kicking tires in a way because it doesn't cost him anything to bring Vice Butler on the on the roster at this point, right, Yeah, all it cost him was Tyree Robinson and they're hoping to put him back on the practice question. Yeah, and then and I don't know how many you can dress on Sunday, boy, but you gotta pissed off Lance Lenore on your hands too though, Yeah, I understand. See that's where better Lenore than Antonio Brown. Yeah. Well things are

happening in Pittsburgh. Yeah, not good things. Yeah. I was gonna ask me the question that you say, frasier over your surprise or frasier over Looney, right or you're surprised over Yeah, because I think we saw we saw a

little bit of Looney. I think in training camp. I don't know how much we saw of Cavon, like in coverage and just being an all around play and I and he knows too, because after that first game and then everybody was around his locker on WEDNESDA welcome to the headache, and and and I saw him walk off and I said, I see you, Cavon and he goes, yeah, you guys didn't think I could cover it? Could did you? Just like that? And I said, okay, yeah, you're good. Okay, yeah, guys,

just get certain. But here's the other thing now on that is I agree with you guys. By the way, have they have they played a I mean, is this the best quarterback they're going to play in three games? I performing it's skill wise from a passing, from the from the passing. Yeah, okay. After that Stafford who is struggling, he is, we grant it. Watched them next week and then Houston struggling, but the Giants this week should get back in the w column. There Jacksonville Bortless not been

bad yet. And then Washington Alex Smith who solid, yeah, solid, but they're they're struggling. This team. Then Tennessee, you're setting this thing up. Make you like they're going to win all these games. I'm talking about what you're saying. Maybe you get to Wentz. Finally in Philadelphia. But that's not till November eleventh, and then and then you know, you get straight and then you get and then you get Ryan Yeah, and Alex Smith and Drew Brees and Wentz

and uh, let's see Whoianapolis. Yeah, Tampa Bay Luck, Fitzma might bill to be, Fitzpatrick, Fitzmagic, might be, it might be. Remember when we started the seat, before we started the season, we kept talking about all these great quarterbacks. They were gonna have to pull. They are gonna have to play a lot. They're playing one this week. I understand. Now the question is can they block for for Russell Wilson.

To me, it's the same narrative is last week with Eli why they struggled the six six sacks allowed in both games. The thing about it is, though with Wilson, they still were in both games. Yeah, they up twelve sacks and they're still in both games. And that's and that's what's scary about this team is that you know, do you do you think that the Dallas offense can

score enough points to make somebody one dimensional. That's why I said last week against the Giants, you gotta limit the big plays because if you're only scoring in the teams. All it takes is one or two big plays down the field to Beckham. Yeah, and we saw what Wilson. Now he threw us a pick six in the game. Yeah, just a just a bad ball at the sideline. Desperation really that he hung in there in the pocket late in the game and takes a shot and delivers a

beautiful ball touchdown to Tyler Lockett. He can he can beat you with his arms. They'll don't know how he cut that ball. Yeah, great play, amazing catch. See to me, That's where I'm just like, this is where I worry about this team. If this team had the consistency of twenty sixteen, with the ability to finish drives and really grind it out, if they can make deep offenses that they play one dimensional that you have to throw to

come back, well, that plays right into their wheelhouse. Yeah, you know, but if they get somebody that can just hang in there, hang in there, play balance, balance, balance, You're right, they give up one big play when you know two big plays, Nix, you know, it's a tie game. There's no margin for error for the defense when you're

not efficient offense. Well I was sitting there, yeah, with that game, and I'm sitting there and it's thirteen nothing right, dominating, and all I can think of in the back of my mind one mistake and it's thirteen seven and they're one possession away from him taking the lead. R Yeah, the seventeen point lead helped Dallas. Yes, play this tee off on Manning that. I mean, it's like they the only thing they had to worry about, Barkley about was

catching the football and running with it. That's the only thing they had to worry about there. But what you want to see is more of this. What was it, a fourteen play, eighty two yard drive, chewing up eight minutes o'clock fourth quarter? Zeke, just wearing guys down. Yes, gotta have more of that. Yeah, yeah, Well, I mean that was timely though, because they did right at the end where they just sucked the life out of the

fourth quarter. Yeah, that's what you got it. I mean, because when they gave it up, there's like five minutes left, five something, not enough time for the Giants to win the game. There were three scores down right, See, they can't that. You're right, Rod. The margin of error for this team is very small. It when it comes out because until they can develop some type of consistency, you know, that's gonna be a problem. I forgot before we got

a break. I forgot to ask you this Monday, coming off the game, and both of you guys your thoughts on because there was a lull there after the ten nothing lead. Did they get away from things too much that we're working or I know one drive there was a couple penalties that said them. The penalties were huge. They only ran fifty plays, you know, but still a lot of that had to do. If they recover the on side kick, they could kind of run the game out the way they want. But yeah, I and going

back and watching the game. When Prescott got forced out a couple of different times throwing the ball, they had guys that were open, and again Cole Beasley was opened a couple of different times. He couldn't you know. They had an opportunity to get the ball to to Rico there and you know, it was just a little higher to him. But they had some plays they had They could have made some plays. It's just unfortunate. The quarterback had to make the right decision and get rid of

the football. That was the biggest That was the biggest thing that the lull that happened, that's why they got stopped. They don't get I mean impressively enough, the two back to back penalties third and one, they get a third and eleven, what do they get another They complete a pass for a first down and they get another holding, and you're like, going, there's no way in hell they're now third and eleven. They're not going to convert this. Yeah, and Prescott stood right in there and made a throw.

So yeah, it's just unfortunate. They had some bad luck in that way. Nick, I go to break you know, Yeah, I think you know. They only had three possessions in the second half. Yeah, but one really long one and one long one a kneel down. I'll count that. That's four, and then they scored on the other two. Yeah, so yeah, they hit a lull, but they didn't have that many plays. Well, they had three straight punts to in the first half. Yeah, that part second quarter, that was That's more what I

was asking. Yeah, that that was, Yeah, you need to get back to and maybe that's something you do learn from. Okay, well, okay, how do we use Zeke? How do we use Austin? How do we use Thompson, How do we use Beasley? How do we use Dak Prescott? You know, those are all things you have to think about. Why were we not able to sustain drives? It was could I have made a different play call that would have affected the

way that the series would have gone. And the second possession in the second quarter, they started off first and fourteen at the five. Yeah, they got a motion pilling on tyrants, right, it was, and they and they ended up with was it a fair catch at the nine? Yeah, they punting. They at least drove the ball out of their own end zone and then gave it the first and ten at the nine, you get you get a false start. Now it's first and fourteen at the five.

They managed to get to the thirty eight and then you have an incompletion, an incompletion and an and a pass for no gain and you punt. Yeah, So that was the possession that at least they didn't give them. At least they didn't go three and out on the five, right that that that's encouraged, and they gave the ball

up and the Giants started at the twenty. Yeah, so they were able to get out of there without giving up a sc We talked about how they came out proactive to start the game, put the giants on their heels and got it to nothing lead and they ultimately was enough. All right, let's take our first break. Five two two ninety seven is the number. Give us a call, join the show. We got more hard questions from Brian brought us next. It can be hard to find the

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going guys? Good? Thanks for having me? Um? Yeah, Like, do you think the loggown we have a receiver's kind of like it kind of reminds me of when we had you know, DeMarco Murray and shar Choice and that underwear Steeler, Like we didn't really know who was gonna take the job. Do you think it should just maybe give a chance to a couple of guys like a game instead of rotating them in and out, Like I think Thompson should get for a shot. I mean, he

looks pretty good. I think he he got two catches called back to a penalty and he still ended up with four. So um. And also, do you think they trust now Frazier maybe with Wood at the same time on the field. Um, I'll take your your answers, Hey, who would be your who would be your top three receivers? If you're gonna say Hearns, Thompson and Gallup not. Um, Yeah, I don't know. I think he I don't know. Okay, maybe the answer I think maybe knows yet maybe any

of them. Maybe that's the top four at this point. Yeah, then that's it leads to me one of my questions, if you guys want to take one of those, Yes, did you expect Deontay Thompson to be better at this point than Alan Hearns? Um? No, I didn't. I didn't. I expected we didn't see enough of Thompson in preseason. I didn't at least to really know kind of what he could do for them, what his role might be. Sure, Um,

we were all kind of man. We remember had this discussion about Alan Hearns when we always talk about, Okay, who are the five wide receivers? Alan Hearns gets thrown in there immediately as one of the guys. And I don't know if necessarily Alan Hearns is better than Deontay Thompson at least at this point. You know, if you looked at Thompson's numbers from last year, yeah, combined sure, from the Bears and the Bills. Bills, Yeah, and he wasn't playing with Joe Montana suldn't they weren't bad for

the opportunity he can Nope, not at all. Sanjay Law told us in camp, I think you were there with me. Well, he said, I can't believe he hasn't stuck somewhere because every chance he's gotten, he got traded to. I think was a Chicago right right and stepped in played well right off the bat. He's a professional. And what you wrote in the mail bag answer today is he's more of a complete player. Maybe they thought he is. He's you know, you watch him when they run stuff to

the outside. He's a really good blocker. You know, he's got he's got physical, he's got size, he'll go into traffic, he'll do some nasty things for you as far as going inside to catch balls. And they still haven't sent him. Yeah, I'm you know, I thought he was going to be good. But I thought that Alan Hurns at this point in time would probably have his type of number, more targets and more. But but he he has outplayed her in

my opinion, he has. And for a guy that didn't really participate at all in training camp, I think that's really impressive about him. You know, and I don't want to argue with Luis because Gallup's got to be in there. But if you're gonna have three, I think they have four at this point. You think they're concerned about Gallup. I think they were worried about his consistency of how he runs his routes. That's fair, Yeah, that is fair. And is that to be a little expected or by now?

Oh it's at cars State. Though he was a good route runner there made the nuances of having a run routes. In the National Football League, it always looks like he's he's fighting to get open and that's why he draws penalties because guys are trying to fight him. But he's playing a little bit off balance right now. So I think on that deep route, yeah, I think, And you know it got pointed out. You know, he got pushed.

He didn't red line it. Yeah, as they say, yeah, there's no red line, but in the practice field, there's a red line where you want to stay so many yards away from the sideline. So the quarterback has a spot to drop it when you've got the dB on your left, on your left hip right and he got too close to the sideline. I think they were maybe a little bit worried about that and catching the ball

no problem, you know, and when he's open, he's good. Yeah. Um. But yeah, maybe they're slit there looking at that and going we need to get him going. Yeah. That's maybe one of the reasons why you bring in Bryce Butler, you know, because you're thinking, oh, okay, well we need a guy to do a little bit more of this. I'm not against. I think you have to throw Michael Gallop out there and let him play. I do too.

Don't don't don't sit there. Don't sit there and say, Okay, for two weeks or training camp, you've been feeding him stuff, feeding him stuff, and then and then have him going the tank. You know, if he's not playing enough that that you don't need that he's gonna be active. Do you think you think Bryce is active Sunday. Well, we talked to him yesterday. He didn't know what his role would be. He said, look, we haven't had a practice set. I don't know, we need we need to. The great

thing about living in this building is we'll figure it out. Yeah, by Friday. By Friday will have this thing. See what they think they can get out of it. I mean at lease he has been to training camp, yes, but he hadn't done anything in a couple of weeks. That's right, So he knows the general system though. I'm sure it's a little different than last year. But I think more from a physical standpoint, yeah, than knowing. I mean, there's only so many routes you can run. Right by the way.

The receiving stats, this is what it is through two games, Beasley as your leader, nine catches eighty six yards, then Zeke eight for twenty six, then Thompson seven for sixty eight point six per catch, and then you've got Swaying with three and then four guys with two. Yeah, Tavon, Hearns, Terrence and Gallop. That's where you are right now. That's where you are. I don't think I mean to answer Luise's question to me, it's still too early to know

what this rotation is, especially yes, there see. But to answer th other side of his question, I feel they do. I feel like they do feel comfortable about Frasier playing. Yeah, they asked you if if Frasier has to go out there with Woods and they have to roll him in there and take Heath off the field, or anyone those guys come off the field. That's we've seen this team rotate safeties before. Yeah, they just couldn't do it the first two weeks of the season, but they'll rotate him

now now they got they got their guy back. Frasier's earned those snaps absolutely. Yes, Yeah, so too amazing. What happens when you play somebody, Yeah, you find out, you find out either they can play or another. Got any more questions for you know, I do bring it, you know, I got some questions. Mickey Spagnola more surprised of his

play Taco Charlton or Tavon Austin Taco. I expected something out of Tavon, uh, because I at least we'd seen something from him previously with the Rams before last year. But was it like this? But Taco, Yeah, I mean the guy the like the like they come back in two years before he heard his wrist, he combined for ninety catches as and he wasn't like a, that's my number one wide receiver. So he had done it before, Taco, we hadn't seen it. There were times in trainee camp

where you're going he still can't stay on his feet. Yeah, and now he comes out here and played more snaps in the first two games. He might have played more snaps in the first two games than he did his career year. He got his letter jacket already. Yeah, it's pretty He had fifty seven snaps I believe I saw from I think he surprised the coaches myself. I mean, I think he's done more than just be a pass rusher, right, yeah, Oh, he he played the run. Yeah, and you're right, he's

playing about double snaps than he averaged. How about the smart play him too? Just falling on that fumble. How many times we've seen those guys kicked the ball and all of a sudden Beckham runs over there and falls on it. You know, my gosh, he did the right thing. Eighty seven percent of the of this eighty eighty four percent. What's that? What's that on your legal pad in front

of you? Right? Is that Pro Football Focus? Uh No, this is official NFL stats, Football Focus, right, official NFL stats. I'm surprised with with Taco is as myself. I am too. What about rob Um Probably Taco I want. I'm pleasantly surprised with how they were able to connect deep with Dak and table. I mean, that's what this offense needs. Yeah, they need that juice. I want to see more from Tavon got ten snaps in the week one opener he got I think like eighteen last week. Can they bump

it into the twenties maybe? Yeah? Eighteen snaps thirty Yeah, yeah, I could read that. Maybe a little more, bump that up. But then who's who? I don't know, which, I don't know. But the way, just the way he started that game though he was on fire, you know, maybe a little bit more, a little bit more of ten next question, it wasn't even a fancy route. He just stutter stepped and he came back to the ball though, man, no

I met the deep stutter stepped. They got a lull Jenkins into But that's what speed will do for you. Here's my next question for the panel. It's Chris Raschard really the defensive coordinator. I think he's had a significant influence on the amount of aggressiveness, especially on the Nickel defense. Yeah, he is the passing game coordinator, so does that every time him? Every time they passed, they Chris called the defense. I don't know. Maybe they're not telling us, well, I'm

sure it's on Nickel. Yeah, I don't know that he calls it, but I think he maybe they with the that's what the plan is. It is. Do you think when they go to the sidelines and they talk about it, it's Chris. I mean, we have the sideline audio, we put that together, and Chris is always coaching somebody. Yeah,

he's coach. He's grabbing somebody and coaching somebody here. And by the way, I think he plays a big role in what happens this week with the with the Seahawks knowing what how to attack that, but also give you a little bit of idea about what they can do defensively as well. Right, you know that's going to help. There's another mail back question today, that is, but your question will be answered when there's three guys on Thursday taking questions. We should get, we should ask, we should ask.

He's a coordinator, we should ask, we should we should ask for him pass game coordinator. Rod. I think he's calling the defense. I think I'm with Mickey. I think I'm proud of you for not riding the fence. By the way, Spagnola didn't ride the fence on that one. That was a good one. I think Coach Marinelli thinks a lot of this young coach, and I think he is giving him some influence and I think he wants him to have a true voice in what they're doing.

So yes, what was your answer? Oh, I would say he is everything or just I think that he's I think what I think Rod. I think Rod really likes dealing with that front, you know, the hot boys. He likes being up. I mean, he likes he could focus more on his rush if Rochard is called in. Rochard is Rod's done this for a long long time. I mean when they were doing the slot blitz stuff, you know, and all that, that's Rod. But you start bringing linebackers and you know, all kinds of that, that's a little

bit different from what we've seen in the past. We saw that in training camp. They oh, I know, but that's like christ and the linebackers, Chris Schard wearing cleats coaching them up out there. Right, You got some more I do all right, Hang tight, We'll get to the rest of those. I've got a couple more, okay in our last break, and Paul and Georgia keep holding. Will get to you right after this break on talking cowboys.

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we really appreciate it. Thank you. Here's what I got, boys. I listened all the time. First time caller. I'm not going to ask how you're doing. I'm not gonna thank you for taking my call. I am the most pessimistic of all pessimistic Cowboys fans. This past Sunday night, I looked at my wife and I said, damn, I have no idea why I continue to put myself through this. But I was encouraged because I saw progress. After week one.

I was down and I gave him a chance in week two, but I did see progress and the piggyback. I was on hold what Brian said about Richards. I was watching sounds of the game on your website, Sure, and Cavan came off the field and he was beating himself up, saying I need to tackle better, need to tackle better. And then Richard comes in and says, listen, you gotta forgive yourself. You're a great tackler. And then the next clips of him making the sack. Right, I'm

all for Shard being our next head coach. And who knows what they have in the plan. Sure, the guys, I don't think our offense or our defense has hit their ceiling, and I don't think we need to be the greatest show on turf. I am so encouraged about defense. It's amazing. I'm just I'm overwhelmed with our defense and i'd love your thoughts. Thank you, guys. Okay, that's pretty good from a pessimist. I think you had to be by the second game. I think he's being realistic though,

and you know, I said it last night. If the defense can continue to play the way they're playing and give the offense time to develop, then they might have something. But they've got to play well defensively so the offense can can continue to take their steps forward. They've got to have the offense to help them. Though. Yeah, I know you're right. I mean, I just the thing I

worry about, can this offense score enough points? And if you could score enough points, you know they're going to be in some games where they probably won't be able to score some points. But I think that you know, if you're gonna hang the hat on the defense and they look like they can, they can take it. But I just don't want this offense to ruin some bad some good play by a defense. Nicky. You said this again on the Happy Hour Show last night, and it's

a great point. I mean, there are so many new faces, yeah, on offense, and there's young guys, and there's guys that had injuries in preseason, so they do need time. But how much time can you have when, like Brian always says, I mean, these games all matter, they all count. I mean you got to give it maybe a month. Well, that's why the defense has to play well. Yeah, yeah, it can't be given up twenty some points a game. No, because the offense probably can't score twenty some points at

least right now. At least right now now, maybe things will change, you know, maybe they get they get development from Connor Williams, you get development from Michael Gallup. All of a sudden they figure out, hey, you can get the ball to Tavon Austin ten times a game. You know, all these things have to kind of play out. I think, you know, but I know that I know. Dez is not there, right, Okay, I get it. They made that decision. They did Witton, okay, retire, yes, But the rest of

the offense, Travis Fredericks the only one missing. And the first eight games last year, the offense was scoring. Problem was yeah, it was Jonathan Cooper like all pro. No, he was just and at that time the first couple of games, Chaz Green was starting at guard. By god, but they are working in four new wide receivers, three two new tight ends essentially, I understand. But if he didn't looking for a reason, if if if you didn't want to work in new receivers, you could have Terrence

Williams and Cole Beasley out there and then one new guy. Right, So I'm they scored. They scored those first state games. The only game didn't score the opener because the Giants they seemed to have trouble scoring against him and Denver and everything else. And I said this the other day, and you know, it's like Dak put this team on his back. He did first eight games, he did. We said that, you said last night at the show last night.

The guy that the gentleman who asked the question didn't agree with us, I know, but he did go back and look at his stats. He had a hundred over one hundred quarterback rate and there was too much on his plate. My opinion the second half of the season, of course, you know, you know, and all and all of a sudden, the narrative is he's not accurate. Well, the first twenty four games of his career he had over sixty percent completion. It was like sixty four with

a one h two quarterback rad. I think he threw the ball better last week. And he did, Caroline, he did. That's I mean, that's absolutely don't need some scout to tell you that. And he wasn't on his back. Yeah, that's true too. So you know, I just give it some time for these new receivers and the quarterback and you know, and I don't want to say Joe Looney because he's been good. Yeah, you know, not great, but good. Yeah. And Connor Williams was better the second game. Did he

take the next step? And the fourth no doubt. You know, this was a young team. We spent all summer talking about it being a young team, and then when you go play, it's like, well that's not an excuse. Well, okay, I get it, but you just gotta make progress. And I think that's what everybody's got to hang on to. Progress might also mean you lose a game or and that's right exactly, and this and this will be a heck of a test. I think when you factor in

the crowd up there desperation, that defense is gonna bring it. Man, they always do, so they're gonna be challenging this. I mean, did you see how they respond. Did you think this team was going twelve and four? Yeah? Right, Yeah, they're just a couple of games. I thought they were gonna lose. They might actually win if you look at that Houston bunch, if they don't get things turned around down there Detroit. I don't think anybody expected these next three opponents to

b O and two. No, not nobody did. I wish I could feel better about Blank on this team. I wish I could feel better about Blank on this team. It didn't have to be a player, or I wish I could feel better about Blank. I think you just said it. I think we just talked. Probably we probably just answered that question. It's for me, It's it's I feel really given him time, feel really good about this defense.

And I think if you can get Randy Gregory and David Irving back in two weeks, Wow, there's there's a lot of potential there. I would like to feel better about their Jones played pretty good this summer. I mean, I'm getting back in there yet. I would like to feel better about their ability to sustain drives offensively there. I just we just haven't seen it with consistency yet. We talked about the lull they had after the ten

points early against the Giants. I'd like to feel better about the offensive line, like in that dominant form that we're used to seeing. Yeah, yeah, I mean that it's Collins has had some struggles, There's no question, Mickey, it's a good point he has. He has some struggles. And you know, and that was just the first game, Tyrn Smith with the penalties, right, Um, but you know, if if Lale not playing at a high level, then all

you got is Tyring and in Martin. Yeah. So there you're you're you're I mean air quotes, folks, they're listening, not seeing. But there's your elite line is not so elite. You've got your your It's nice to have two really good players, but everybody else, if everybody else is struggling, where's your line? Are you just as good as You're just as good as the Vikings or the Saints or I mean it isn't that the formula here offense to have an elite line. Yeah. No sacks, no sacks last week?

That great, right, But half is in completions were throwaways because of pressure. Right, It's like, oh, I gotta get rid of this out of my hand. And that's great because um sacks are probably sacks kill you, right, because even even when you get even when you get a holding and they should get the down over, right, the sack you don't get the down over It killed Seattle on Monday. If you went back and watch that game

means terrible. Yeah. I always I always look back to uh when when the Cowboys at the near the end of the season in ninety one went to Philadelphia. No, no, Troy Aikman, Right, he gets hurt. Uh. And And basically Jimmy Johnson's mandate to Burline was, I don't care if you finished the first half three for thirteen. I don't care, uh if you finished the game ten for twenty five. I do not want you to take a sack, right, No sacks and no interceptions, because once that Philadelphia defense

gets a sack, it starts rolling. The people will start going crazy at the vet and everything comes apart. No sacks, and I swear to God, the first half he must have finished like three of thirteen. Yeah, but they were in the game because he didn't take a sack. So protect the quarterback and give the running back at least get him back to the line of scrimmage and then let him do his deal. I mean the touchdown run.

Yeah right, it wasn't clean, it was a push, right, but he got to the line of scrimmage, and then he did his deal. He did his deal. I answered my own question with I wish I could feel better about the consistency of the offense. Yeah, I wish I could feel better that I know that they could stay ahead of the chains, not give up sacks, and when they had to make a real play they could make it. That that's what I wish I could feel better about. I feel great about the defense and what they've done,

at least through the first two weeks. I do worry about the offensive consistency hurting the defense at the end of the day. That's where I that's the struggle I deal with every day. Okay, final question here, as we have a little time left, is Byron Jones playing better than a cheetahbe Owoozier. At this point, we did our top ten lists m Monday of best performers in the game. Yeah, I had both of the ten. Yeah, just to the

first two weeks. Though we kind of felt like, though didn't it A Woozier was going to be the corner, that would be the guy that we kind of hang our hat on. But we were able now to kind of hang our hat on Byron Jones a little bit. Yeah. Yeah, we're seeing him making plays on the ball. I think Byron has been tested more right and and we've seen him make some play right O. Woozier doesn't get tested all that much, fair point, and you know there's a you know you're not going to throw a shot out

over there. The ones he gets beat on are usually the crossing route over the middle when the guy has all day to run right, but from on his sideline. I think he's been pretty darn good. But I think they've test did Byron Jones more. Yeah, he stood up to it. Yeah, he stood up to it so far. I think. Um. I think the fact that both of them are playing well, and you may have spoken to this, it allows you to be more aggressive with your front seven.

And regardless of it's Chris Richard's influence or Rod, dialing up more blitzes is kind of out of his quote unquote reputation. And when you have your corners playing well on the outside, why not, especially if you're playing with the lead. And that's another thing again, Offensively get your defensive lead and allow those guys to tee off a little bit. You know, you'll do it even more so once you get a couple of these pass rushers back.

The other thing I like back there is if they get beat on a pass play, I don't let see anybody going yeah looking around, yeah, like it wasn't my fault. Yeah, well they did. Did the tight end did get him on that one time where they were kind of looking at each other like, okay, what just happened here? Yeah, you know it was a busted cover was a busted but no one looked at any Yeah, everybody went chasing them and as like doc on it, we didn't you know.

But are you surprised this team hasn't tackled as well? I mean they I mean initial tackle, Mickey, I'm yeah, I'm saying rally tackle. I'm saying initial. You know what, Jeff Heath could have got a minus three instead. It was a nine yard game kind of a tackle. I think they've been so aggressive, almost too aggressive, and they're flying to try to make a tackle without kind of breaking down and and taking a bad angle. Sometimes one thing that's encouraging is the next guy gets Yeah. Yeah,

there's still other guys running to the ball. A lot of hats to it. You're not getting a seventy yard game. It's it's five six yards, like you're said, more than it should be. But it's not a it's not a touchdown. So that's good. You got good guys flying around like it was was it was it the Chargers game. Oh god, right, that I lost I lost my mind. Well that's when they made the change. It made the change in the

secondary at that point. Yeah, they said, okay, Orlando you sit, and okay Brown you sit, and you know we're gonna change some things up here, you know, and that I think I look at that point as Okay, now the young, the young guys are going to get to play here. The young, the young secondary is gonna get to play because the veteran guys just didn't get the job. Done at that point, not Jordan Lewis yet. But Anthony Brown done a nice job. And Anthony Brown has not done

anything to lose his job. I mean, I mean, I I don't see anything. Am I wrong about that? I mean everybody's been kind of waiting for that. I always say the left turn off the road, the the you know, the human log as uh Nate likes to call Woods waiting for that left turn and he's off, you know. But I don't see anything with with with Brown, and

I just hope he doesn't get those penalties. You know, these key situations where all of a sudden he's covering locket and they're getting off the field and pressed around. Wilson overthrows, Oh we have a flag or defensive holding. You don't need that, and he's avoided that, you know, knock on Wood. He just he just wasn't a very good scout, that's all. Yeah. Oh about Perdue? Oh sorry man, that's the only thing he did wrong. Sorry about this last minute cast. Make you a question, But yeah, let's

I was gonna says, how's Duely doing calling plays? You know what? Are they scoring a lot of points? This guy, he's got a quarterback there that could be the first one taken and steard. They've scored forty and what was the first game, Well, Tennessee Martin. They should have scored forty. How much have they given up too many? It can give up too many against Perdue. That's a problem. Thirty seven need to be to DC two. Yeah, you know

what he's done. He's done a good You know what I like about what he's done is they're not playing at this breakneck pace and going three and out, you know, like you have the ball for thirty five seconds and not necessarily huddling. There's pace, but it's not like, you know, we're hair on fire and he's running the football. Even when it doesn't work, he continues to run the football. He uses his tight ends. Uh and uh. I thought the play calling has been, you know, better than what

everybody expected. Everybody was worried. I was worried about that too. The Boo Birds and Saint Louis were all over him before he called his first play, Go Tigers, So tigers. Well, yeah, well we'll see this week. Okay, when it's Georgia, we'll see, we'll see what We'll see what the Cowboys look like on Sunday Alabama, don't worry about Yeah. I don't even want to talk college football this week. I don't like what's gonna happen? Says answer my questions. Yeah, it was fun.

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