Talkin' Cowboys: Big Matchups vs. KC

You hope, yes, possibly, sons, Zeke, So, how's everyone doing today? Wait? Let me ask you this son, Zeke without yeah, I know without that that I did pay a had No. No, No, he's a big word. But I think it's s A N s right, Thank you very much. I might use that one day, am I scouting report? Oh? Yeah, we are we out of home runs? Here? We're out of home runs? Still stroking? Oh god, what Mickey? Just give us a Zeke update? What he said home run? You

mean home runs by second circuit stuff? Yes? Are we are we out of home runs? No? There they because another one they asked for, another one asked for two? Actually are they? But you're not gonna be able to hear this until after the game, right, they're asking for an emergency stay, so they ask just good pushing the court the way we're pushing. They asked for the other

deal yesterday, which probably won't get hurt un till next week. Sure, but they're telling them the the harm of waiting in case they rule in their favor as he misses a game and he can't make that up. Right, So they're hoping to hear possibly by Friday, if they'll give him at least the stay until they render a decision on

the appeal for the injunction. And the league is saying no. And the league is saying, there's no need to do this because everything's fair and there's a precedent that you know, you're not supposed to poke your nose in this business. Could the league also argue that they, hey, we gave you the Giants game. They haven't brought that up because that would be bad because then it would they would be admitting that, well, we were okay with him playing

a game. Good point, got a decision. Good point. That would not be in their favor. What happens with his check money? Of course they get paid on Tuesday. He was not here on Tuesday. Well he still he gets paid for the Washington game on Tuesday. Okay, so that it's interest. Yeah he wasn't Yeah, yeah, the six games is without paying. Next next Tuesday will be his well with his Kansas City check. When did the when did the the suspension didn't come down until Wednesday, I would

sit or Tuesday night. I mean, now it was Wednesday. It was twenty four hours from the ruling. Right, let's just go have lunch with the payroll folks and they'll tell us it was Wednesday. So if he was on the roster, buy three o'clock on Tuesday, right, gets paid for this week? Right? Is it for this week? This game? Yes? Yes, week? This way? Yeah, okay, this week, this game, even if you don't play, like if you get released on Wednesday, if you were on the roster Tuesday, you get paid

for this week. Not bad, only seventeen of those though, yeah, only seventeen. You got to manage a lot of money in those seventeen for a lot of for some guys. Yeah, yeah, but we're for seeing that most likely as it stands. Now, how what's your percentage that it's a hail mary. It's a hail mary like the one in the hallway, Roger, No, I think it's deeper than that. Is it deeper than every seventy yards? Not fifty? Where's no blocking? Yeah? Where's

the second circuit located New York, New York? Then yeah, you don't think they're gonna hurry up and say, hey, we're coming in and see if we can do this. Odds are long and the Jets game tonight. Sorry, and Judge Catherine she I mean, maybe she's out of it, I know, but but her ruling applies in terms of weight, and she took her time and you have that thick packet. She didn't take her time. Well, had that written or they even argument finish, finish. It was very emphatic, right,

Nicky's on every point it ruled in the NFL. YEA, I saw somebody, this is the words you want to use. It was a clean sweep for sweep NFL. There you go. So if so, you know, if that carries weight with the second circuit, then yes, the odds are long. But it didn't. It didn't carry any weight with Judge Crotty. Yeah, it's the luck of the draw. Yeah, it depends on who you get how they interpret it. And she understood nothing about the NFL, nothing but the labor. It was

just labor. She understood, She understands labor, but she didn't understand irreparable harm. Right, she didn't understand that you don't get these games back. That yeah, you may get paid, you don't get them back, and that you know, all of this I'm not playing, you know, it has to do with you know, I can't say you're gonna do a good job and it's going to hurt your future because that depends on the rest of your offensive guys

and the defense you're playing. Seriously, but Tay brings up money and it extends beyond the field, right, It's it's perception in the public eye. And how does she tire about that? How does that apply to endorsements and things like that. She ruled on the article we were talking about,

That's what she ruled on forty six. So you know, I saw, I saw this brought up, and I hadn't thought of it this way, you know, because the nfl PA has been arguing that they should have been able to confront the accused user in the arbitration and they said, no, you know, we don't have to do that, right. Well, I started thinking about that common law and it's like, but it was pointed out that she was very willing to talk to the NFL investigator. Yeah, and they didn't

have to force her to come in, right. So my I'm I'm come to the conclusion that because the investigator after talking to her said not very credible, the last thing the NFL wants is her to be cross examined. Yep. That could have killed their case because isn't that basically what the DA and Columbus came to. Yeah, we're not putting here on trial, this this whole thing. I just don't know how you punish somebody when they haven't been charged with it. Yeah, I don't. That's that's what I

don't get. You know, if you're going to be judge and jury, make sure that the really the highest court in the well, not the highest court in Land, but the United States Court if he may still get there by the Yeah, if they've if you've been charged, if you've been charged with a crime. Yeah, But you know, we're all we're all under that too, if you look at it, mean we're all under really the same guidelines

of players. Oh no, by working it, you know, so if we do something wrong and all of a sudden, you know we we want to and we have our day in court. Like with Jordan Lewis, you know, you go out, you clear your name that way, but you know that the ruling is I just find it. It's it's amazing to me that he wasn't charged with a crime. Don't you feel like there's gonna be a lockout once this thing's up because the union, the union is gonna

want twenty twenty get ready? Yeah you race, yeah, some language, if the players are smart. Yeah, well but the problem is that this is the case right here that shows this is something's got to change. They're dealing with billionaires, billionaires, But will the players that are going through this now, players that are playing in right twenty one right see that's the kids that are playing in twenty twenty one are in high school right now. You are dealing with billionaires.

Yes you're not. The players aren't billionaires. Some players are Lebron James and people like that they're billionaires. But you mean you're it's it's hard for a guy making four hundred and ninety five thousand dollars. I know this sounds crazy to sit there and say, okay, let's throw this all away. Let me throw this away so we can get labor, we can get our way here. But we just watched the Great World Series game last night. The Baseball Union is the most powerful in sports. Sure it is.

I mean it does vary by sport. It does. Some unions more powerful than it does. And and and that's the that's the problem that the owners can stomach this. Yeah, the owners can, you know why, because they'll lay us off. There'll be no talking cowboys or no break or whatever. They'll just lay us off. There's still there's still billionaires. The players. We'll see if the players have the gut, the gut, I mean the stomach to sit there and say, yeah, sure,

we'll strike. There's guys that can handle a strike. A quarterback making twelve fifteen million dollars a year can strike. A guy on the bottom of the roster might not be able to strike, you know that, and that might be very hard for him. You know, the players that there's in this league, there's a lot of hals and have nots. That's what this has all been created by. But the owners are billionaires. They've got the gut to be able to fight this. Yeah. So sort of like

when I was in college. Huh you mean I was working. I was working in a factory and the commer to make money for college. Yea. And these guys decided to go on strike. No, I gotta warre you a union, union had to join. Yeah, you had to go get a card. I've done the same thing, mickey. I mean I had to go get a union card to go do with a summer job for LSU. Yeah, and so

I all I was doing was sweeping floors. But I needed the money because I was trying to go back to school and these guys were These guys are like, oh, we're on strikee strip already start drinking beer at midnight. Yeah, but there's some other story about a confrontation you had with somebody. We'll talk about that all. He had a

confrontation with somebody. Shocking, amazing. No, but the people were driving by because we had to sit we had with the signs are strike death and some people are driving by, honking and rolling their windows on. Hey, your lazy bumbs go to work. It's kind of what we say every day to you in your tube. They say here, you know, I especially said Mick, He's right. In twenty twenty, this thing is gonna be We'll see who has the stomach to do it. It's gonna get ugly. It's gonna get ugly.

But really, is it just because of this judicial court. It's got to be part of it. Yeah, it's gotta be another part of it. We'll see what happens. Was they appease the players by saying, Okay, we're not gonna make you practice as much. Yeah, not gonna make We're not gonna beat you up safety, but here's what we want. Yeah, and it's like, oh yeah, fine, because it's not going to affect me because I'm going to do everything right. Yeah. Well,

the minute you do something wrong, it affects you. This one's this is going to be the number one point though, Commissioner Power and who knows if Roger Goodell will Steven be in powers? Yeah well no, maybe even this year. Oh yeah yeah yeah, Condolisa Rice, I hope you get a shot at the Commissioner Beck. Yes, guys, why are you guys not believing in me and Mick. We're gonna be a team. Oh, co commission, Agnola, co commission. It does sound like a law firm Magnola's happening. So it's

just hurtful. Will be the underdogs, Mickey, it's fine, yea, all right, Well, we do have to get into the guys that are playing. You got a game this week, right, you, We really do, and it seems like it's going to be here before you know it. But good news on some different things. Of course, everyone freaked out when they saw des and Tank on the practice report yesterday, but coach Garrett appeased to everyone today and he said not to worry. They were just limited with minor injuries. Days

with the knee and Kyle Wilbert r. DeMarcus with the calf. Yeah, something he talked about that. Lawrence was kind of dealing with that throughout. He was barking fine when I left the locker room talking with him going down the hallwood. So it wasn't like he was dreaming or dragging or like, hey, I got a good treatment, Mickey. Yeah, those things going to get food. He was going to get food, food, eat, yeah, Tank, and then and then does thing you know, he's had,

he gets he gets banged up. We've seen how he plays violent play. You know, he probably in the screen pasted it, got called back from holding banging around guys and stuff like that. So yeah, as as long as as long as they're okay to practice, that's the thing. And the good news though, Tan, I think you're going to get to his Cole Beasley p Yeah. Yeah. Cole Beasley of course did not practice yesterday under that's good protocol, but coach Garrett said he would be practicing today back

in the will see what happens to him. Yeah, yeah, if he passed. But the fact that he practices today I think is a great sign. And the team. Yeah, and the regarding does team's not worried about him. Yeah, he missed a few reps, but it should be good. Tyron Smith practice, just get used to every Wednesday. Him not doing anything just yeah, I mean he's dealing with a back injury that he's come. No one asked about Dan Bailey because I think that we're not going to

see any We're just assuming that he's out. Steven Jones said last week, Yeah, like four or more weeks. Get you have Fried Turkey Mickey when he gets back. Yeah, that's yeah. Oh yeah, because of the short week, he's going to miss two games. Sure if he's not ready for Philadelphia, right, dude, go nuge all the way. Yeah, and Cheetah was interesting because yesterday coach gard said that he would be limited, but he was DNP So the

Great One called it for another week. The great One is right, Mickey is the great one, Mickey Spagnola, the great One. Let's take a big Barnes plaque from upstairs and get the Great Gazoo, the great Gazoo, of course. Carl Wilburg. You guys know what kazoos are, yes, yes, the little checking Yeah, what was that kazoo? How over? He was good to go on Sunday. He was full yesterday, so we're okay there. Now. On the opposite side, d Ford, someone that you probably saw a lot of dis and

LSU football games. I did played for Alabama Auburn. Auburn. That's right. You're in the state. You're in the state. You're good. I was at his national championship that he lost. Yes, yes, now is back DMP which not sad about that because he was very strong on Monday night. Yeah, he's a He's a rush guy. That's his This thing you we talk about Mickey, was it thin butt guys? Is that what? He's skinny but guys skinny but guy get around the corner.

You know, he's Uh, he's one of those players too when you when you look at with Justin Houston, Uh, you know that kind of rush. They they brought back Tumbaholly to practice. I saw Tambaholly's practice. I don't know if he'll play this week, which we'll see, but yeah, Heuston and I are he was he was a pup is what he was? A pup guy. Yeah, yeah, he has not played yet. So d Ford though, yeah, that's with the back. I will venture to say that Dfour

plays in this football game. Yeah. I think they're probably trying to rust him much like what we see. But he is a he's an edge rusher. He's a quick edge rusher. He's one of those guys that he'll get a sack and then you won't see him for like eight plays. Yeah, that's kind of a player he is. Yeah. So, but you know, they really don't have that many guys on their practice report truly. You know, they've been fairly

healthy and of course, maybe you're right. The other day Travis Kelsey did look like he was limping out sint quarter but finished just fine. Yeah, I don't think you have to worry man. Defensive lineman shouldn't have double last names. Were you looking at Dwarveney, Laurent Devernay, Tariff Tardiff. Yeah, it's a great name, a regal sert. He's like ard. You know what though, the problems that they have is

their offense has masked a lot of their defensive problems. Yeah, you know, defensively they've they've been like a high takeaway defense, very active in recent years. Run defense has been an issue for him. It has been you think, you know, Matt, you said mass that's a good word. Five takeaways the other night, but they allowed one hundred and seventy seven rushing yards. Yeah, so they ran thirty. Yeah with that personnel, that's what I'm saying. They have really struggled. They have.

You know, they're one of the teams too that you look at they give up their lasting league and give them up first downs. I mean, teams have found the way to move the ball in them that teams have made big plays. The pass rush. We talk about Houston the matchup with Lyle Collins. How big will that be? You know? I think the Cowboys can move the football. Can you get it's gonna come down? Can you get some stops? Right? Can you make Alex Smith hold the

football and get stops? You're probably not gonna get turnovers. They're not going to give you a turnover, but can you get them off the field on third down? Can you not get a roughing the passer penalty? Can you not get a defensive holding penalty? Can you not get something that when you do get off the field that you don't get thrown back on the field. Yeah? So,

and then they're tough. They're tough. And I asked Jason Garrett this question today about it about having to you know, prep for so much, you know, with what they do, you know offensively, he says, Hey, there's some real things you have to deal with. You know, there's there's a

lot of ghosts, but the ghosts are real. And so, you know, defensively, can they do enough that that's really where this game is gonna because I feel like Dallas can move the ball on him, I really really even you know, running the football, if the offensive line plays like we've seen for a quarter in two games. If we still get the hat on hat running tough, if you get Rod Smith going, if you get Morris going. I think those are two primary guys. But you need

you're gonna need that. You're gonna need to keep You're going to keep your quarterback from having to throw a ton. But even if he has to throw in this game, I feel like he can make some plays. I really really do. Yeah. It kind of reminds me of the Green Bay game a little bit. The matchup in terms of defensively. I think the Cowboys offensively, they felt like they can move the ball score points against green Bay's defense, and they did. But there there was the Rogers factor

and a guy that doesn't turn it over much. And it's not just out Smith, I mean it is. They have an amazing array of weapons, Yes, and I think they to your point, they have three turnovers this entire season, which is pretty much unheard of. Yeah. Just don't drop a ball for an interception that's returned for a touchdown. Yeah. But this is a good stopping point because I have

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Different people are talking. Yesterday we had Keith Smith on cover four. Yeah, good times. You know. He asked us and he kind of looked at us because here we are kind of telling him everything about the Chiefs, telling him about, hey, you know they've had eight touchdowns for fifty plus yards. They you know, done all these different things.

Zero interceptions from Alex. I think he guess you guys worried about no. Zeke and me and Dave and Lindsay were kind of like, no, this was kind of an ore show and you're like, okay, yeah, And he was like, why I think we have a great one two punch and Alfred Morrison, Darren McFadden. He's like, they both do different things, and then you throw in Rod Smith, who's completely different than all three. Yeah, He's like, that's hard

to prepare for. He's like, I know, I was a linebacker, right, Like, you can't prepare for these different obstacles that they're going to give you. You know, you have someone like Alfred Morris. I think you were reading some of the tweets that people were sending in yesterday as they were replying to your Twitter pool, and that was kind of their thing.

It's like each has their own thing. Yeah, I mean, I think the one about Alfred was he can get skinny, and he's kind of that guy who can slide between the tackles and and and be that inside runner. If it's small, yeah, we'll get the gaps and cracks and gratty, right every type guy. Yeah, that's a great point. And coming from Keith Smith, that's I mean, they all kind

of bring something different to the table. Keith Smith, when you're in there, they go dig those linebackers out, you know, go get go, get you some Derek Johnson, you know, go go be that guy because they're gonna need it's a different way of running the football. It is the offensive line they block the way they do, but it's the back is a special back, there's no doubt about that.

And he has a unique running style, you know, his ability to make people missed, the ability to finish runs, the ability to finish runs you know down the field. You know. I mean, that's they they've they've got to get it going where if it's four or five yards a shot running the football, that's gonna be good enough. That is gonna be good enough. But they can't take they can't have guys dancing in the hole and when the hole's there and then not do anything, you know,

not be aggressive attacking. That's why again I've talked about rod Smith. Think rod Smith is crazy enough just to take the ball and run. You know there's something too. Just take it and run, don't don't try and make a cut, don't try and just just take it and go forward as hard as you can. And if you get with this offensive line, if they hit it the right way, it's a four and five yard a game. You can deal with that. Dak Prescott can deal with

second and six, second and five all day long. It's when it's second and nine, second and ten then it makes it a lot more difficult for him. You're also saying that physical tone can give some juice to the rest of the offense. Of the way Zeke kind of sets that physical tone for this group. It makes the tight ends better. You see receivers down field blocking, You see skinny butt guys like eighty three, you know, Terrence Williams down field blocking. You know that that that that

that's the kind of juice that you're team. It could help your defense, you know, if you're physically beating up on Kansas City, Yeah, that gives your defense some confidence. Hey, the offense has come to play today. In the offense, you know, Mickey's asked him, Hey, go score points. They have scored points. They've they've given them opportunity to play in these games because they have scored points. Should be seven and one or six and one against the who

against everybody they played. They should be six and one right now with what the offense has done so far. Denver sens Denver and six and one. Yeah, the Denver game was bad. That you gave away the Rams game and gave away and the Packers. You gave those two games away. So now you're fighting. You're in a hole. You got to fight out of the hole. And uh, you know, is it is it going to be? Is it? They? They've protected themselves with these backs. Young guys have stepped up,

you know nothing. Again, I keep saying this because I don't mean this as a slam to the other guys, but young guys have stepped up before for this team. You know, Rod Smith, go be a young guy and go step up. Go. You know they use you four or five players a game. You know, go play thirty plays. Now, go play twenty five places and whatever you have to do, be a difference maker in those twenty five places. I need you for six weeks, man, I need you to be a mean nasty soob for six weeks. That's what

I really need. But what's funny is that, yes he's young, but this is his third season in the league. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but he has very little running little Yeah, and maybe that maybe that's an advantage. Maybe he's not. Maybe it's you know, yeah, we saw in San Francisco, though, his willingness to run the football. Yeah, saw it's willingness to run the football. In the preseason. I said this in the break. He reminds me a little of Barber, Marry

and Barber when he gets here and he's built violence. Yeah, he's a bigger back. He's built kind of like another Buckeye Eddie George. Not comparing the two runners, but yeah, jeff right, yeah, but a Barber type guy where he's going to come at you and force three guys to tackle him, like he's that type of physical downhill runner. And then you get three yards, well, and then you get four yards and yeah you get maybe yeah, I see where you're going there. Yeah, and then you're starting

to wear him down. Have somebody though they're going to go twenty six. That's my concern. Okay, yeah, that's fair, that's fair. But we haven't seen. But he also ripped off a big run. Barbara ran season one hundred yards in the first half against the Giants in two thousand and seven, and all it did is get him beat the playoff game. Yeah, yeah, that's amazing. It sounds like someone's a little bit sad he wasn't a Barber fan when he was here. Right now, the twenty four jersey

Everson Walls. Yeah yeah. Let me ask you this though, Yeah, four or five yards is shot good enough for dak It depends on how Kansas City plays it. If Kansas City says, go ahead and have four, Yeah, have three, Oh, they'll give it a naturally, they'll they'll they'll not given you eighty. Yeah, they'll naturally. But see there. But the two also as well. Cowboys inside the scoring, inside the

thirty again, Eric comes back to four point plays. Yeah, we kicked field goals last week because it's good enough, because because the Washington Redskins could not protect their quarterback, right, But you need those four point plays. Yeah, it's gonna be a key in this How many four point plays do you have? And it's it sounds funny, but when I say four point I mean take the field goal. You know that's and you want to get the you want to get the touchdown because we're assuming Nugent's gonna

make all Yeah, we're assuming it's indoors. We're assuming money, Mike. Yeah. But but I'm saying, though, you need you need those four point plays in this guest, because Kansas City can four point play you. Yeah, you know you. And it's it's gonna it's gonna be rough. I mean it's gonna be it's gonna not look pretty for the Cowboys defensively until they can figure something out. I really believe that.

But their offense has got to help them. Their offense has got to help them in this football game and try and protect them the best they can, at least

these first six weeks. Yeah, this kind of remarked me all the way back six weeks two fifteen season when you had and this could be a completely separate game, so bear with me, But when the Cowboys played the Atlanta Falcons in like week three or week four of the twenty fifteen season, it was Brandon Weedon, it was Joseph Randall, yes, and it was offense first offense type thing, you know, and of course very comparable to the Broncos

game and different things like that. But Joseph Randall, Yeah, but Joseph Randa went off, had a great game, eighty something yards right up, twenty one seven and a half, and then you know, their defense just started picking away at the defense and figuring out their secondary head holes. And it kind of makes me nervous there. But you know, we'll have to see. I do have five matchups of the game that I wanted to talk to you guys about specifically. Some of them we've already touched on, but

maybe we can elaborate a little bit. Of course. The first one that I'm looking at is justin Houston versus Lyle Collins. You brought it up a little bit earlier. How will Lyo Collins fair against this big guy? That's another tough matchup for him. I don't know if it's a tougher matchup than on Miller or even carrigan um, but he's another top pass rusher guy. Re surprised that they didn't give him a little more chip help last week. I think they wanted him to. They did they prepare

for it. I think they did, but was it something that they said, no, let's just go ahead and go one on one here. Let's just try and see if we can get through. I thought initially what happens to Collins. It's correct me if I'm wrong here, But I've noticed this.

When he has one bad play, it kind of mushrooms into another bad play, and then and then he kind of catches himself and then things start to get a little bit better, and it's like, so, okay, I don't know if it's a confidence thing or it's like bad technique, bad technique, good technique, good technique. And now now he's back to all in any of herverts back to maybe a bad technique play, get a position switch, position switch.

But but I think that to me, Kerrigan and Houston are similar guys in this in this regard because of the ability to capture the edge. Where Karagan I think is better than Houston is Houston doesn't always finish. Karagan is a Carrigan's relentless, and Karagan will just keep coming

at coming down. They both break you down. But Kerrigan's one of those guys that he just keeps going and even if he's blocked, he keeps I've seen Houston some when he's blocked just kind of you know, oh, let's jump, you know, let's let's let's be at the line of scrimmage. Let's let's chase the ball, you know, not really where Karagan is like he's even when the ball's gone, he's

like right next to your quarterback. Yeah, you know, so hopefully Colin's you know, it's gonna be all about those hands, about the feet and his ability to to kind of be patient and not lunge and go and overextended or get that arm up where he's hooking the guy. You know, that's when when he misses with his hands, you know, you're gonna get the hook around the neck. That's that's

something he's got to avoid. What do you think about it, Mick, Just give him help if he can't do it, Yeah, don't be stubborn, give him Yeah, I think, yeah, that's that's that's that's a fair point. Out of times they're stubborn and it's like, Okay, he'll he'll do it. I still think he'll do it. Well, he's gonna do it, and then they're sacked, and then there I got three sacks. Yeah, you know, just to help him out if if he

can't do it. That's why he's on the right side right now, right helpe the big guy Marcus Peters versus Dez Bryant does has not had a one hundred yard vers seaving game this season. Well, he have won this weekend. It gets a corner like Peters, Peter stays on one side of the field. He does, he does, and he plays a lot of off coverage, which means if you allow Dez Bryant free access inside, he will wear your rear out that because you better be willing to tackle.

You better be willing to tackle him. So we'll see. Peters doesn't wants nothing to do with tackling. But now he ripped the ball loose the other day I was watching the in the Denver game. He ripped the ball loose. So you gotta be worried about him standing around piles and just going in there and trying to horse the ball out. But he plays on one side, so they could match up. They could avoid putting Dez to his size, not that you know you want to always do that,

but they can move Dez around. I think they'll move Dez around. But yeah, if Peterson, if Peters gives him inside access, free access and then tries to rally on every throw. Then Dez Bryant's going to have a pretty good game catching footballs. Yeah, it's gonna be a bit of craziness. Yeah. So I think everyone's excited to see Des kind of have that big breakout game this season. Yeah,

and storing touchdowns. Yeah. What you said about off coverage is interesting because Dez is indefensible over the middle of the field those routes. I mean that's his Anything going inside, yeah, anything going inside, big body guy, go inside. Free access to him is glorious. Yeah. I mean if I was playing Dez Brian every day and I wasn't very good, I at least stand in front and be a speedball. I would make him have to adjust on me to get to the route, is what I would do. But

some teams won't. Yeah, all right, next matchup, I'd like to know more about Tyreek Hill versus Orlando Scandrick. Of course, Skandrick had a great game last weekend, but this is a bigger guy in Tyreek Hill. Yeah, Mickey, you think your guy Scandy can do it. I think he's gonna need some help. Who can help him? Well, they're just gonna have to zone Sometimes it's not gonna be man to man all the time. Yeah, they're gonna have to play zone over the top. They're gonna have to use

linebackers to help out. But again, if you're not stopping the run and the linebackers can't help you, yeah, Mickey's right. I think you're gonna see some deacon in this game. Three man line and make him try and hold the football and then rallied to him. Hopefully your pass rush, which is become a strength of yours, Hopefully your pass rush can take advantage. They've got a good offensive line, with the exception of some migeries they've had inside at

the center guard spot. I think the tackles are pretty good. But I'm interested to see if they played deacon and make Alex Smith have to check the ball down and hold the football and see if they can get rush home that way. The only thing thing that concerns me about the deacon is what we saw really towards the end of that Green Bay game. They caught them in some running plays, yes, with only a three man line right, and kind of chewed them up on that Aaron Jones

on that last drive. So that's kind of the risk you take when you run that package you do, yes, and they've got to be able to stop the run against this team. Mickey's right about that. Yeah, both you guys, you have to stop the run, but they also have to stop Travis Kelsey versus Byron Jones. We talked about this one a little bit yesterday, but I want to dive more into it because, well, Byron Jones be Byron owned this weekend. Oh like that. I'm with Mickey the

same thing Mickey said about Tyreek Hill. I think you can't ask Byron to cover him just man. Yeah, down after down, there's gotta be some some change up, some zone, some things that kind of help him out a little bit. Yeah, this guy's as tough of mismatch tight end as there is in the league. I throw not getting pressure right, this guy can run across the field and sure eventually gonna get open. Yeah, that's the thing you have to where he coach said it today too. He lines up

in a lot of different spots. He's in line, he's flexed, he's slot, he's outside, he's in the backfield. There's all these places they put him because they know he's a mismatched player. So I don't think it's just gonna be Byron Jones. But I like the thought about a big, a bigger guy matching up that knows how to play those guys. But I think you're gonna see I think you're gonna see a lot of linebackers on him. I think you're gonna also see another safety too. It might

be Jeff Heath. You know, Jeff Heath at times has shown the ability to cover tight ends down low, and so if that's the case, I don't think it's just gonna be okay. They're gonna They're not gonna give them just one guy. They're gonna throw a lot of different looks at him and see if they can slow him down that way. That makes me feel a little bit better. Lastly, kareem hunt for Sean Lee. You've talked about it, Mick,

You've said they need to stop the run. Can they stop the run against this rookie running back who just thinks that he is the bomb? Well, he's gonna have to deal with the Cowboys linebackers. I like the fact that Sean Lee is on the field, but those guys up front have a lot to do with it. It's not just they're not out there doing a running drill. Yeah, Mickey said this yesterday. This will be the big test about is the one technique and the three technique switch

gonna play to fruition here? You know, is it going to be, Hey, Colin's playing that one and then David Irman playing the three. Will they be able to stop the run with that combination. It'd be a big, big test for them, though. Got to keep these linebackers clean. Let them run to the football. There's a lot of speed. There's the Cowboys and the Chiefs run the ball similar and this way you'll see a lot of pulling guards centers.

You'll see guys always on the move. So if they can sneak through, maybe pull behind a pulling guy, maybe dive into a crack, beat a block that's coming backside to him, tackle for loss, get bodies to the back before he has a chance to get going, and make sure you got the backside covered ball. That ball will breaking back out your technique technique. Absolutely, We just gave a lot of good insight. But you know, the Steelers

obviously were able to kind of stop it. Got bodies up field, got bodies up field, That's what they did. The Steelers did a nice job of playing their guys a little wider, but getting guys up the field. And and that's if if if you're gonna pull lineman, linebackers have got to be ready to run through and then defensive linemen have got to be able to attack the gap and then close to the ball. Don't go don't beat the block and the gap and then go straight up the field, go to where the ball is going

to be. Is that part of the system a little bit in Marianoias system with the lineman that just get penetration, get upfield, and then the linebackers have to clean it up. Yeah, that's a lot. A lot of it is they want to they want to be disruptive in the running game that way by the penetration and forced guys to have to adjust on the move. And yeah, that but yeah, it's it's it's about getting those down linemen to where you're talking about. And like Mickey said, get the linebackers

like Lee Hitchens Wilson. Wilson can't be missing tackles in this game if they're playing some bass stuff. Yeah. Do the Cowboys have a comparable personnel similar to the Steelers to Well, now that's three four four three. Yeah, so really a little bit different there. It's just too far. But you know, you have you have guys, but you have guys like a little bit wider with the outside linebackers and stuff like that. Usually outside linebackers are like

defensive ends. So that's how the Steelers used to use the outside linebackers to control in the running game. And you know teams go nickel a lot, which usually means a four, right, you know, it's three to four bass. And again Brian mentioned the Deacon Packers. Cowboys will go with three down line at times. So variations talks about Cowboys have been really good when they blitz quarterbacks. The quarterback ratings are terrible when they play the Cowboys blitz. Again,

there's another quarterback. We talked about it last week with Cousins. You know another quarterback that's very highly rated when he

faces blitz. But you know, if I'm the Cowboys, I still find ways to try and get guys home, whether it's games up front, you know, make sure if you're running twist games, if you're running linebackers through, if it's Scandrick slot blitz, make sure you throw stuff at him just because this guy complete has a high rating as a facing blitz You're pretty damned strong, you know, one of the tops in the league. When you blitz people, getting people home, go for it. They need to not

play catch on defense. They need to be aggressive. Yeah, don't be afraid. Oh they got this guy and that guy and this weapon. Go after them. Yeah, make them play, make them adjust to what you're doing. It's absolutely right. And I just think this catch Box, this is a team they need to be aggressive against. Yeah. And I'm not saying blitzing all the time because they got burned on one of the blitzes. Yeah in that game against Washington forty one yard play. Yeah, yeah, exactly, But yeah,

I just think they have to be judicious, but be aggressive. Right, absolutely great points. All right, Well, we're going to take our final break here in the s to BBC Mortgage studio. When we come back, we'll have Rob's Twitter poll and so much more so stay tuned to that after this break.

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it running back? Or is it some others? I gave three other options besides the better be running back, kale back, wide receiver, tight end, defensive line, and we can certainly welcome right ends if you don't agree thoughts, Brian, I went with the I went with the tight end spot. Okay, but you know what's funny and as I as I and I didn't vote, and I apologize for not voting

on that one. But the tight end spot. I wish James Hannah was playing a little bit better as a blocker, but I think the depths there, I really really do. I like your witness done a nice job of course catching the football. We talk about him as a blocker. They've had several plays this year where he's been really

good at that. I think Jeff Slam is a really an underutilized guy in this in this offense passing, Yeah, i'd like to see you know, the other day he ran he ran a guts route, I mean right right in the middle of the field with all that traffic, and it made a nice catch and he caught it. Yeah, put the ball right on him. You know. I think that you use him in the waggles, the boots, the stuff. He's an underrated blocker. So yeah, I know that's a

long explanation. I'm sorry, but I just feel like that's kind of the deepest position if you ask me of the quality from the top guy too. And I know it's only four players, right because they got they got you know, they got the new guy Jarwin on the roster. But yeah, I'll go with that. Swain has been kind of a fourth and one guy for him too. Yeah, I do. I'm a Jes Swain fan, I really am. You said running back wasn't a choice? Is a choice? Oh? It is a choice. Yeah, That's that's where the poll

came from. Is this the is that the deepest position on this roster? Is there something else? Like? Is how much faith is there in this backup running back group ready to find out. I had voted for the tight ends as well, but you know, you could argue that the wide receivers. You have so many wide receivers as well. You know, every week we're looking at is Noah Brown going to be active or inactive? Because they carried more

than good point. You know, most people thought they would going into the sea, and so you know, I could definitely say tight end because you don't worry about it per se. Of course that might change in the off season, you never know, but it stands right now. I think tight end is definitely your deepest one. I like wide receiver too, because you saw Beasley go down in the game last week and then here comes Switzer playing that kind of slot role. Yeah, makes a catch in the

second half. I mean, they have guys that can that can get open to make plays. Mick running back, running back, you got faith in these guys. Okay, Well, the fans agree fifty nine percent say running back. Tight end was second at sixteen percent. Wishful thinking on the running back see their voice of the fans. Yeah, that's a that's no one ever said that about you. They pay the bills. Mick let's put it this way. Jason Witten goes down

who's taking care of tight end on a fifty play basis? Well, I think that I think that they would go with I think that they would go with Hannah and Swain, though, I mean, but both of them or which guy? I think that. I think if you look at overall, they all play, they all and they all play. Well, that's what I'm saying. I look at it is okay when I when I have Witten, you could I think he

could kind of say that a lot of positions. But I'm looking at me when you say when you say deep, then I'm thinking I'm taking the top guy off now, who's filling in? Like you certainly wouldn't say quarterbacks? More questions about okay, And I haven't feel under this answer. And I'm not trying to be as smart. You know what, but if you take you're gonna take Elliott out of this game, you feel better about that than if you

took Witton off the field? About who's playing behind you feel better about who's playing behind Zeke or who's playing behind Witten behind Zeke. Yeah, I don't know what those guys. Those guys have never had to handle the whole deal. Yeah, but the right they've always been what twenty thirty plays a game. See, that's the argument I had. We've seen the thing with even the guy that we know had a thousand yards season here is really third fiddle if

you think about it. Mc fadden. Yeah, yeah, but at least these guys we've seen him now, I've seen him play a whole game. I haven't seen those guys play a whole game. Well, I mean they've they they play. They play quite a bit though. Twelve personnel, thirteen personnel, I mean they I mean they they play. Yeah, but they're they're they're kind who has supplemental players? Who has

more success rate? Who? Well, who's more successful at their jobs? Well, Swain's got three catches, Yeah, More's got eight carries, right right? I know I doesn't come off the field. Zeke doesn't come off the field. Yeah. See that's the thing about it. So maybe there's the receivers. Maybe if you if you really break the stack to top off of that, well, Deiss has shown he can step in and make downfield plays. I think Switzer to me is a pretty polished slot

guy for a rookie. If something were to happen to Beasley and sounds like we haven't seen it. I saw little bit in the last game. One ran a nice risk catch. Yeah, was a good play for third down. Yeah yeah, But take see, you would never trust Terence Williams to be the one here? Would you take Deaz out? Some teams thought that they could, you know, in free agency, they thought that Terrence Williams could be a one. I think, I think, I think, I think we thought that that.

I think, but he thought. I'll take blame on that. I'll raise my hand. I thought people would I thought people would make a run at Terrence Williams. They didn't. They absolutely didn't make a run at him. You know. And a matter of fact, some of the top receivers in the league that people might think are better that prior kid last week. Prior didn't get it. Prior didn't get a huge offer. A lot of those receivers signed one year deals. Deshaun Watson is I mean not Deshaun Watson,

Deshaun Jackson is having issues in Yeah, Tampa Bay. All these guys signed one year deals. But the exception of Terrence Williams, who signed a four year deal. Four year see Terence Williams got paid in a way that the other guys didn't get any smart Yeah, he got his money. Yeah, these other guys on one year deal aren't exactly lighten it up. Whether you like it or not. The Cowboys believe that Terence Williams could be a one by the way they pay him, don't they think, Mick, I think

they paid him like a two. I think they did not pay him like a one. Yeah, and I think he made a very whoever advised him because right now Washington's trying to get rid of prior. Yeah, they're not playing him. Yeah, you know, well, how's he gonna Well, he's gonna leave in eight weeks anyway, Yeah, and how's that gonna look in free agency when the next team comes? Well,

what did you do for me last year? Kind of like the same thing the Cowboys guys released all those Yeah yeah, yeah, So to me, I I still like the tight end sing. But Mickey makes a good point about the Runners. I mean, I think you're more sure about the Runners than you are Indy position. If you had to go, if you and saying, hey take that guy away from take that guy away, who do you have behind him? In depth wise, who do you feel the absolute best about see because we really see somebody

play with his role. So when they go to tight ends, you know, the other teams looking at Witten and those guys can slip out there and they probably don't get as much attention. Now, what happens if they're Witten? Can they do it? Yeah? I haven't seen it. That's the only reason I would swear that they would swear Rico Gathers could, I was right. I would go with the running backs just based off of what these guys have accomplished in their careers and watching Rod Smith, he looks

like a really promising young back. I mean, that's that's a lot of depth behind an All Pro running back who is arguably the best back in the league. So it's a lot of big shoes to fill. I'm curious to see how these guys play because they sound very motivated. I mean the quote in Dave's story today from Alfred Morris, he got it, he got his hair up on his neck. Nicest guy in the league maybe, but he's take him

a butterfinger. He loves butterfinger, he says. He chuckled at some of these questions of how how can you replace Zeke? He said, it's very insulting because we're pros. Nothing changes at all for me other than these all these cameras in my face. I mean true, he's ready to come out and prove a point. I mean he he signed here before they drafted Zeke, and he was well prepared to be the guy to kind of carry this load along with McFadden a year ago. And I think he

firmly believes he's still the same player. They're gonna need those guys to play huge. Yeah, for six games, They're going to need him to play huge, Brad. Brad asked him, and he thought he was just asking him a nice question about, well, how's your life changed this week? He was, what do you mean? Yeah, still got to come to work. Yeah, still got to do my job, you know. So yeah, he was a he was a tad. He was a tad.

And the thing about Alfred, I think he could have taken this situation one of two ways, you know, because Zeke is the guy all pro back. He could have said okay and throwing his hands up and said, this isn't the spot for me. This is my last year. I'm gonna go somewhere else. He got leaner, he got more explosive this offseason, and he took it like a pro. He outplayed McFadden. Yeah, I had a great preseason and that to me is a good sign for a guy

who now has an opportunity. So we'll see what happens with it. Yeah, and I know this was a while back, but you know last year the number weekend watching was Zeke getting closer to Eric Dickerson's rookie rushing record that still has not been broken. But the last guy who even got closer than Ezekiel Elliott was Alfred Morris yea

his rookie season. And you know when he talks about something like that, you're right, Mickey, he almost acts like I remember I talked to him about that, and he kind of treats you like, yeah, like and he doesn't mean it in a mean way. He has no ill intentions. But I was asking him, like, you know, you were the last guy to get that close, and he goes, yeah, I just ran, yeah, you know, I just ran yeah,

and so did him to do it again. He just kind of treats that, you know, kind of mentality of I don't really see what you're talking about this is my job and I used to give the Cowboys a lot of trouble running against them a few years ago. So I mean that's that's a competitor's point of view. I yeah, and you're right. He's a nice guy. He's not trying to but I mean he's he's a competitor. Yeah,

thinks he can play. Let's go play. Spoken to Darren McFadden about the Mickey theory of holding him for six I did, what did he say? He looked at me like I was cross eyed? But how did you phrase it? Just like I did to you guys? And he goes, yeah, I don't think I've ever thought about it that way. Oh gosh, I said, well you want to try. He's caused him, sire in the running back. Let me tell you what though, I don't disagree with this theory though it does. You guys need to talk to Nate Newton

about this. And thank goodness, I did it well it was just me and him too. See, he didn't have to embarrass me. Yeah. Well, I mean the logic, I hear you, and I'm sure somebody gave floated that to you because you do your homework. But that was on my own if some k but if somebody, if he, if Zeke were to go down in those first seven games with an injury, then who you perceived to be as your second best back is not available. So like, wouldn't you want it if he's your number two guy?

Wouldn't just in case of injury? Yeah, but it's just one game that sort of like I was buying. I don't allow. I asked somebody. It's like the backup. It's like the backup center guard. If somebody goes down, Joe Looney goes in. But next week do you want Joe Looney starting? See, this is the whole thing is you'd laugh, You guys laugh, except Mickey. The Chaz Green theory, right, Chas.

I brought that up to Jazz. Green is one of your best five offensive lineman, we think, And but what happens he's not playing, He's not starting because they worry about him. There's there's stranger theories on teams. But that's a diagree with us. There. It's a little different between being the starter at what left guard for sixty plays and how many carries his Morris have as the backup. I mean, it's not like he's gotten a bunch of

work and it would have risk McFadden injury. I mean, well, it just it just it emphasizes my theory, because why why get a guy hurt? And if he's only going to get three carries, I think they're going to use both of them. Honest, I think they're gonna use all three. I think all three or yeah gets something here's to uh and then on Friday we're gonna find out Zeke can play. And all this was good, but you said this yesterday, and it's worth repeating. The guy that necessarily

starts might not be the guy that necessarily finished. Yeah, very fair that that is a very fair point. Like the ride the hot hand theory, I think I think it. I see who's who's deference to Morris. Hey, we've we've we've had you do this. You go out and do this. Yeah, I mean it's sorry. You know what it reminds me if it happens when Troy got hurt in ninety three and Jason was the backup quarterback and they immediately went

and got Bernie Kozar. Now they let Jason start, right, he played two series and then Bertie came in and finished, and then he started the next week. Yeah, so all that time, I don't know how many games in it, it was close to the trade deadline. I don't know, five six, seven games in Jason Garrett's the backup quarterback and he's never played. Yeah, it's like, okay, now he's got to play. And he played two series I think

if I remember Craig, maybe three at the most. Yeah, you predicted the first play for the Broncos game for the Cowboys when you thought, hey, throw it out wide to the you know, Dez Bryank, show them that you have the ability deep, throw deep. Is that what you would think for this game as well? Or do you think they go run first play? What's the mickey prediction? You want to know the odds? Yeah, no first down run? Yeah, oh I know, but they did. They did the deep pass.

I think they're going to show them we're not actually made to run the ball. Yeah, they're gonna say, Kansas City, let's see if you're good enough to stop us running this football, even if you put guys down in that box, Let's see if you're good enough to keep us from running the Basically, this is what we do. We're not going to stop what we do russ our offensive line.

I think you think other coaches think that way when they're thinking, they go, oh, they're gonna just try to show us they can run the ball or is that just us? But do you think when you're planning your game plan you think that way. I would worry about the run if I was even even without It'll be interesting to see if they walk up to safety on that first play if they If they do, then I'll be sitting next to you. Let's go tell me. How about hard play action right off the bat? Go hard

play action and fire that ball down? Love? I love the play feed Morris Alfie play action to give him something to think about. Yep, yeah, No, I mean I just I think there's so many different routes and different things that they can do to kind of get Kansas City. I bet you Kansas City maybe. And this might be just naive. I bet you they're like, who cares who the runner is? Yeah? Well they have issues. They have issues stopping the run. No, I'm sure they really do.

They're worried. I mean because because lesser backs and Alfred Morris have had had success against his team running the football. Do you think it's scary for them that they don't have much tape like recent on Darren McFadden. Of course you have the Philly game. They can find it. What about Rod Smith? All they're saying is thank goodness, Zeke's nothing. Yeah, but it's still about the operation. It's still about talking

chiefs hearing right now. Yeah, I'm not saying. I mean, look, I always say the runner matters, right, but these backs are pretty good and the offensive line is starting to We're starting to see both. Zeke was running I think even more confidently, but the offensive line is starting to work work things out, and I'll guarantee you I think they can have success on the ground. I really do. Kansas City, Um, Atlanta, Philly and Philly all sent Judge

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