Talkin’ Cowboys: Best Dak Yet?

chip in the official dip of the Dallas Cowboys. Here from the SWBC studios at the Star in Frisco, alongside two very special Talking Cowboys guests, not really guests to Dallas Cowboys dot Com because they are all over the place in terms of this website and the content end of the media team. But David Hellman back for the second straight day. We liked you so much we invited you back. Thanks Kyle, it was I'm trying to match your energy right now. I don't know how. I don't

know how you do this nine am show every day. Man. Me and Barry are like, oh, hold on, you gotta get a little coffee and you get up a little early and get a run in. I didn't get a run in. I'll tell you that all my plant, like all my I got like a regimented routine, like because our shows not till like ten thirty. So I do the workout. I come in and then when I knew I was on the nine o'clock show, I was like, all right, all that's out the one. I'm like, all right,

I'll be here. I just get to work and worry about the rest of it later. I guess be here in body, sometimes in mind and figure it out. But we've also got Barried Church. Yes, sir, what's going on? Man? Nothing much? How are you amazing? Man's first date here on was this talking Kyle. You gotta remember like show good? No, see that you don't though, Barry's just like, give me the microphone. We'll see what I gotta matter. He's on a couple of the helmet approach. Man. I love it. Yes,

Now we don't have Danny McCray today. We had a scheduling conflict. Is ultimately why Danny is not available. He'll be on the later show. You were on Hanging On Hanging with the Boys yesterday. Yeah, yes, some day. So we just flip flop Berry and Danny and then we still got Danny represented with the Survivor T shirt on so tonight season forty one, the music in the background, Here we go, There we go, Team Danny. Man, let's see what he can do. I hope he only kicked on.

Do you think there's a chance. I don't know that. I hope not. You know, there's some shady people. Have y'all been watching it? Y's some real shady cats. But I guess you gotta be that way, you know, going into that Survivator game, I would get my ass kicked so bad. Oh, you and me both. I can't strategize like that. You would just tell everybody I got im just like, yeah, this is what I'm gonna do, or like whatever. Like I don't even know how to like

play people like that. I couldn't if I thought you was my boy man bad. Yeah it took a personal Yeah, yeah, I think most of us would. And we'll see what Danny's able to do tonight. On about the fight counsel, I'm flipping everything. We're not doing. Goodness, all right, We've got some some news to catch up on surrounding the Dallas Cowboys, and it's not the news you want to hear. Uh, yesterday.

Word comes down that Damante Kazy was arrested Tuesday morning, and I don't really want to get into the details of the charges unless you want to go that direction. D WI. And it's a very I mean, it's it's classic bye week stuff. You know, you get days off of work, you don't have practice, you don't have the routine. You want to let off some steam. Uh yeah, I mean yeah, I mean that that is that's that's all we got is d WI charge I think is a

misdemeanor first offense whatever. I mean, that part's not really important. We'll see what happens to him. It's just not funny. Funny, it's not the right word. But like the fact that on Monday night, like literally by week, literally like the first day that you could possibly get into some mischief. There we go there it is boom, It hits you right there and you hate to see it. You know,

you hate to see it. You know mistakes were made out there, and um, you know it's just when the spotlight's on you like this, you know, with the Cowboys being the star, you know, everybody's gonna have their spotlight on you. You just gotta be more careful. You know. That's that's a simple asswer to it. Just got to

be more careful. There's ubers out there, there's backup players, cars, there's you know, transportation available, so if you know you're gonna have a couple beverages out there, just you know, playing accordingly. Yeah, there's really no excuse to it. You get there's so many resources. And whether you play for the Cowboys or not, I mean that's that's one thing you can't afford to do, is go out there and drink and drive. I don't. I don't want to be

a complete hypocrite. And by that I just like I'm not a saint. I've done I've made mistakes too. Every Yeah, but yeah, man, the NFL puts every resource in front of you to not let this happen. Like there's literally a number that they give you that you call and say, hey, it's me, I'm with you know, I need a ride like that. The NFL does that for its players free

of charge, which I think is amazing. That's fantastic, good, good idea by the NFL, which I feel like I don't say very often, but you gotta take advantage of it, man, And I mean, like again, I've made mistakes in my life, and like me, the broke sports writers like, oh, I don't want to uber all the way back across town and get my car tomorrow. But like I think, if I made NFL money, I think I'd be all right, Well,

you'll be able to get that, you know. You know, like I said, mistakes were me and hopefully he learns from it. Sucks. Yeah, I'm and you know, there's no more there's no more availability this week. It's the bye week, so I'm sure Jerry or Stephen Jones is going to be asked about it at some point this week. Um, I really, I don't remember the precedent for like discipline. Like technically you could say he's in violation of the

league's personal conduct policy. They could suspend him. But as we were talking, I'm about before the show, sometimes the wheels of NFL justice turned very slowly. So I really I don't know what to expect. I don't know if he has to miss time. I don't know if the Cowboys will impose discipline on him. You ever, Bury, do you ever remember somebody getting like suspended by the team for doing something? Not like that. I remember getting a lot of fines, like some people will get fines and

stuff like that of that nature. But as far as getting suspended for something like this, I haven't seen it unless it was like, you know, like a car crash or something like that happened. But you know, just getting a DWI. I'm not sure if anybody's ever got suspended. I feel like it's rare for the team to suspend it exactly, you know, like it goes to the NFL or something like that. So it's a wait and see.

It's it's unfortunate, and like I said, it's just it's kind of ironic that literally one night into the first week off of the year, and hopefully nothing else happens like this throughout the rest of the year. Maybe this one gets it out of the way. Let's start with the week, let's get out, let's get through the knock this weekend out. Uh. So, I know you said you didn't remember the total president in terms of potential NFL discipline, But what is that normally range for if it isn't

indeed a violation of a conduct policy. I gotta be honest with you, like case by case, for all the jokes about how the Cowboys can't stay out of trouble. I don't remember. Okay, actually I do. Um, Nolan Carroll had this happened to him? Were you still here? And I was gone? I was my first year in Jackson when Yeah, Nolan Carroll had that happened to him in the off season, And I don't he didn't miss, he

wasn't suspended. I think he had to go through the whole process and again it dragged out like there wasn't resolution for a few months. So uh, yeah, I don't. I don't really have a good idea of what the press. I wonder, can they put you in the program for that? I wonder, because you know, I don't could do that. I don't know. I wouldn't want to speculate. I don't know. Um. I Like I said, I think Jerry Jones usually talks on Fridays with the one oh five three the fan. Yeah,

I'm sure he'll be asked about this man. Maybe there will be some clarity that he'll probably have a much better idea than we do. Something that says first offense NFL Substance Abuse Policy, DUI one game. Okay, that's I wouldn't be surprised if he eventually had to miss a game because of this. I don't know if it would be Minnesota or somewhere down the line, but just something to keep an eye on. Well, I promised this to transfer the CBA. By the way, Okay, thanks, thank you,

bean Uh. This is this was planned prior to the news, so I don't think that this transition was planned off of Demante Kyz. But of course, since we have a safety in studio, yes, I want to talk a little safety. Okay, I want to talk and see what have you seen through the first six weeks of the season that is a positive from the safety position. We'll get to the negative here in a minute. And what is something that

stood out to you in terms of those guys? Curse Man Curse has stood out to me a lot so far. Um And I thought this guy coming in from Detroit, you know, he was a special teams guy primarily up there, so I thought he was just going to come in to be one of those core special teams guys maybe help out here and there. But I've been surprisingly impressed by his play, especially as man and man ability. I mean,

this guy is a bigger guy. You know, he's six four, He's a slender guy, but he's a big dude that's usually not able to move as quick as m most smaller safeties are. But he's able to go out there and move with all the all the all the tight ends out there. We've seen him lock up Cook out there. WHI should have been an interception. I mean, the guy is, he's doing all the things right, and he's playing in the box well well better than anybody I've seen lately.

So to me, he's playing extremely well. Kazy, he's doing a couple of things good back there in the hole. Needs to work on his angles, but we'll get to that a little bit later. And you know, Wilson back and he's coming back. You know he's coming back. He provides that hammer back there as well. So I think this is the deepest the safety unit has been in an extremely long time. It's ridiculous. One guy goes down, the other guy comes in and plays extremely well. So

it just goes to this team as a whole. I mean, this is a deep team right now, and that's what you need going forward. I actually walking in here, I saw Darry and Thompson doing rehab work out on the field. Completely forgot ye Yeah, then I haven't heard that name, right, so they already have, which nobody would prefer darry and Thompson to be playing a lot of safety snaps. But it's just it's another body and a very key special teamer. So you add that to what's already on the roster.

Israel Mquamu is still there. They got like six guys that you feel pretty damn good about. It's I mean, yeah, it's it's shocking to me. I'm still trying to process it because coming into the season, I'm thinking, all right, well, I mean, who we got to say? We're gonna have Wilson in there, CAZy, but he's coming off an injury and then I don't know what he can provide back there.

And I say this on Cowboys Break all the time, So I'm sorry if you're listening and you've heard me, But like, I follow the money when the team adds a guy, like I look at what they give you, and I'm like, what they're willing to pay you says what they think of you exactly in my opinion. And they gave Kazy, Curse and Hooker combined. The guarantees, not the deals, but the guarantees were a million dollars told combine, fine, dude,

Casey's deal. Casey's deal came with like a one hundred and eighty thousand dollars guarantee, which is like nothing by the NFL investments. And so I'm saying and so like all through the off season, I was like, Okay, like the Cowboys clearly don't have a ton of confidence. That's just going to work out, and it's working out big time. And kind of going along those same points is going back to what Barry said a moment ago is in the off season, you looked around and you said, Okay,

who's this kazy guy. Oh, he could do a couple things because he's been with Dan Quinn. Who is this curse dude? He played special teams? Cool, so I guess he's gonna play special teams again. You didn't have confidence as a fan base, and then you looked at the buddy and you're like, okay, so the coaches don't have confidence front off, they even gonna make the team, bro are the curse? Curse is probably my favorite story on this team right now, just because what he's doing compared

to what I thought, like kazy. At least Casey was a starter. Casey had a seven interception season, so you're like, okay, Like, if he's healthy, there's at least a reason to Hooker's a fifteenth overall pick, Like you're like, this is Dud's got some talent. Uh, you know, Micah Parsons is a great story, but he's the twelfth overall pick. You assume he's gonna be good even Don't get me wrong, I did not see Osa's success coming, but again, top one

hundred pick that comes with some expectations. Jeron Curse is a sixth round pick who's been in the league for six years and has never really started more than a handful of games in his career. I straight up, I'll be very honest. I was like, Okay, this dude at best is like a core special teamer and at worst doesn't make the team. And now he's playing the most snaps on defense, playing well, doing a lot of stuff,

and I love everything that you just said. My favorite thing about him is probably he's got some stuff in his neck. Man Like, he plays like a like a jerk and in a good way though, Like I think he I think he's a tone setter for that defense. I love it. I absolutely love it. He's chippy, he hits hard, he talks try. I don't know if y'all saw Alex's new Sounds of the Sideline came out last night. Oh I didn't see it. It's really good as usual. There's a scene in there where it's like first second

quarter when the defense is getting their butts kicked. It's like they've given up two touchdowns and Curse is the one given the sideline talk and like, wow, a lot of times, a lot of times, in my opinion, guys talk on the sideline just to talk because there's nothing else to do. But like with this scene with Curse, like it just looked like everybody was locked in on what he was saying, and he was like speaking with

a lot of authority. And I was like, I don't know if he's the dude in that room, but he's definitely a voice of consequence for that defense. I mean you to see that. Yeah, I love to sit And I would have never guessed that he would have been that guy, you know. I would have been like, oh, it's got to be Tanker Gregory or somebody like that, especially seeing as though his background coming from you know, Detroit,

just being a special team er. I'm thinking, Okay, this guy's just gonna come in and do a little bit here and there. But like you said, I mean, he's tone sitting out there. He's in the box, hitting hard, he's covering Will, he's playing well on the back end. He's one of those guys that, like you said, there's a surprise so far this season, he's been doing two things that I think the safety position has lacked for

a long time, at least in succession. You've had one or the other in safeties throughout the course of the last decade or so in Cowboys uniform. But he's been a hard hitter, Like I said, you've seen that a couple different times. But he's also been in the right spot at the right time. Because you mentioned it, he's not the quickest in the secondary, but he's been in the right spot a bunch of times. And he's been in a position to make a player. He's been around

the football. How hard is it to combine those two things with playing safety at the NFL level? It's extremely hard. Like me, I was more of the box, basically hybrid linebacker type safety, So I flourished in the box, not so well in the deep part of the field. But with this guy, I mean when you're when you can combine both of those things, be a great box player as well as be great in space, be great in man and man coverage, then you're a three tool safety.

That's what every team is looking for because you can make it interchangeable that way with and Wilcox was like, one of us is down, one of us is back the whole game. So it's hard to disguise that way because his teams are like, all right, churches down, is he the man? Or he's blitzing or something like that. It's hard to disguise that. But when you got safeties that are interchangeable like that, you can you can put a disguise on anything and mess with people's head, mess

with quarterbacks heads. And I think that's had a lot to do with how they're getting all these interceptions out there. They're able to interchange Joe Safety, disguised their coverages and it's throwing off these quarterbacks and we're proving to get interceptions off of it. So is that more of a testament to Dan Quinn and the way he's able to use a guy like curse or Is has Curse are always been in this guy, but he's just been I think.

I think dan Quinn and whatever system he's doing right now is definitely flourishing for Curse right now, because like you said, those six years before this, I mean he was he could barely touch the field, and then now he comes down here under dan Quinn and he's flourishing like this. So I gotta give kudos to dan Quinn as well as Curse. And he's playing, he's playing the game out there. But dan quinn system has these guys

all flying around right now. I want if I would, it could be a fly on the wall for any offseason acquisition this year. I think it might be jay Ron Curse, because I want to know who was the one that said, look at this guy, look at this guy in Detroit, he's a special teams player. He could be. It may have been dan Quinn who said this. It may have been the pro scouting department that said this. Might have been my McCarthy, who knows. It could have

been Jerry. Somebody could have pointed at Jayren Curse and said, hey, you see that guy, he's a free agent. Let's go get this guy. Make him one of the better players on the back end of our defense. That's a good question. My first I mean, obviously, when you're on a role like this and we talk about it like it's like a snowball effect, like dan Quinn just gets credit for anything that happens. I mean, he looks he looks like a dan Quinn guy. Like they drafted all these long dbs.

That's what Jayron Curse is. But at the same time, if anybody in this organization had familiarity with him before, it was probably Mike McCarthy, to be honest with you, because he played in Minnesota before. I mean, that's a really good point. I don't know who to give the credit to. Man, Maybe they were just like this guy cheap, let's get him in here. Joe, I mean, could be Joe Wit blew me away. So they made the assistance available yesterday. Joe Witt is the secondary coach um sort

of like he coordinates the back seven. For anybody that doesn't know he's he's DC's like number two in the booth. I guess. But they made the assistance available and I asked him about Curse and Kazy, which ironically, I'm pretty sure Demante was like in jail when I asked him about you know, the things, the things that you don't know, right, the things that you don't know, But he was talking about curse specifically, and he said, I'm reading the quote.

He said, I think he's come in here and his role wasn't necessarily to be a leader, but his play, his demeanor, his intelligence have put him in that role and he's done a really nice job of it. On the field. He's very smart, plays with a lot of aggression and that makes everybody else want to follow him.

And I I mean that right there ultimate and he I'm not going to read the whole quote, but there was another thing about how in Oxnard it became apparent that the way that he carried himself and he basically Joe Wit more or less, was like, I'm kind of a jerk to deal with and he is very direct and upfront and like, I don't have to beat around the bush with him, and like I he earned my respect a lot when I realized that, like, this is a grown man that I can like be direct to

and give points to and he's not gonna worry about it. Sames coachable. Yeah, the number one quality gotta be coachable out there. That makes that quote. I hadn't heard that until just this moment, but that quote makes me like Jay Wren Curse even more because not only is he showing out on the field, but he's a coachable, respectable player in the locker room that helps build the guys up around you. I'm fascinated by. And I mean safety

has been in trouble. I've been whining about the safety's forever. Even when Barry was here, I was like, I was like, yeah, Barry's a good box, but like, can we get a free in here somewhere? But I just I think it's so fascinating that like these guys, they're not homegrown players. They weren't drafted, they had no experience here whatsoever. And even Malie Cooker he plays the least out of the three of them, but I think deserves some credit for

playing well. Like all three of them are playing really really well. There's one guy in the coaching set that actually had Curse, by the way, who's that? Oddly enough, Harold Nash was the He was the strength strength coach with the Lions in twenty nineteen, so he probably knows his personality is every little bit helps up all that

kind of stuff. I would love that's my dream. I mean, it would be, it would It makes me a terrible reporter, but my dream is basically just to have twenty four hour access and like I won't report any of it, I won't say any of it publicly, just to be there. I just want to be in the room when somebody pops in. It's like, hey, Harold, what do you think about Jaron Curse. He's like he's all right, he's a

nice dude, like whatever. Like he breaks he breaks curfew on the road from time to time, but yeah, bring him in here. I just want I would love to be part of those conversations that sounded exactly like the scouting report. I'm sure that people gave on Barry Church broke breaking curfew every once everyone ironically it was yesterday, yesterday afternoon, Barry fines came from. Oh yeah, a lot of those Barry said he was in the streets on

the bike without we know he wasn't at Toledo. It's just like, yeah, oh, don't be hey, don't be so sure about that. I'm sure you need to watch the Players Lounge. Always given a hard time about going back to Toledo. Who it ain't gonna do it. I look, I've been in a lot of small college towns. I'm sure it's not fun compared to Dallas. But like I know that there's some places you'll find some dabs here. You can find some places to get a little oh Man, Definitely,

no Dallas. When's a lot of time you've been to Toledo? When I get inducted too the Hall of Fame, so probably like twenty thirteen. Yeah, you're life flex a slight flex. Oh yeah, you know the last time I went, they were giving me a plaque with my name. Is it Toledo or Akron that plays in the Rubber Bowl? What's the Akron? What's y'all? Slash the glass? That's what it is, glass bowlers. There we go. Yeah, it's a glass city.

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Offensive Player of the Week, Dak Prescott. It's gonna come to you whenever you put up four hundred and forty five passing yards and three touchdowns against the Bill Belichick defense. Also not to mention, I believe it was Todd Archer who tweeted this stat out yesterday, but Dak Prescott's the first player ever to throw three touchdown passes in four straight games, really, first player ever to do so. That's kind of hard for me to believe. With the way

that the league is slanting toward passing. I wonder he didn't say three or more. I wonder if it meant exactly exactly, which could be the case, but I haven't double checked or fact checked it or no. I think I mean, because if you throw four, you still throw three. So yeah, that's true. That's that's just a good one.

That's outright shocking to me. Honestly, I was. I couldn't believe that nobody'd ever I couldn't believe that nobody had ever thrown for that much against Belichick, Like you think about you know, Nick Foles went crazy in that Super Bowl, Like it's not like it's not like he's shut down every quarterback he's ever played. They played Mahomes a couple of times. You would have thought you and that that includes playoffs too. I mean that, like every every game

Bill Belichick has been a part of. And what was that four hundred and sixty five Dak Prescott is uh I said it on Sunday. He's playing as well as anyone in the NFL right now, without of doubt. Now, I saw you say something on Twitter. I think it was late Sunday night where you said, where did where did that game rank compared to some of the other ones that Dak has played? Where would you put it? I just, you know, I meant to like make a ranking, and I just didn't because it's the bye week and

I'm lazy. But I got a lot of I got a lot of pushback on that. People were like, well, he fumbled in the red zone and throw an interception, Like what are you talking about? And like he's definitely played cleaner games than that. Like he's played a ton of games where like everything went right and they just kicked ass. But I don't know, man, the the cajon as of that performance really impressed me, Like to have

everything going against you the way that it was. They ran the ball well, but not by their standards, so like the run game was helping you, but not to the degree that we've seen for the last month. And then two really three because he got him into position

for the missed field goal with that scramble. So I mean not talking trash on Greg's rline, but Dac did everything he did was supposed to three drives at the end of the game, does gets them into position all three times missed field goal field goal to go to

overtime obviously wins it in the overtime period. I mean, off the top of my head, without doing like a ton of research about it, I just I thought it was one of his like five or six most impressive performances when you consider like everything across the breadth of everything that happened in that wild game. Yeah, you know, I thought it was one of his better games. I love the counterpunching that went out there. You know, they got stopped in fourth and one, they were able to

battle back and score again. And then he has the early turnovers, but that's all right. They still fight, scratching claude to find it somehow to find a victory out there. And I mean, this guy he's doing everything right. I mean, he's doing everything right. He's leading his team on and off the field. It's not how you start, it's how you finish. And the guy's playing extremely well right now.

And he's the bona fide leader of this team. I mean, whatever he does out there, that's however good he does, is how good this team is going to be. So right now, he's playing at you know, full caliber. He's in that elite conversation. I don't know if if you could point at a game in terms of the all encompassing mindset and the storylines and the back and forth and the punch CounterPunch that we were just talking about

it kind of what Dave was saying. It wasn't a clean game from Dak Prescott, but that might have been the grittiest win of his career. I get that's a that's a better way to say it. Yeah, just grit and and like turnovers are gonna happen. Bad plays are gonna happen. Like just the way that he bounced back from everything, I just I thought it was so impressive.

I mean, the patience that he had. There was a play the All twenty two isn't up yet or it wasn't last night, but the play he was like on his own goal line, and the way, like the way that he maneuvered the pocket and just stepped up and found the guy on the crossing route to get the first down. Felt like he did that on every possession. And just the confidence and the poise that he had.

The throw that he had to Cedric Wilson that eventually got clawed out, you know, it didn't count touchdown, yeah, which so many people on Twitter are like, well, we threw it behind him, like's got to catch that. I'm just like, you guys are nuts, and you gotta give credit to I think it was Jonathan Jones out just an all around amazing play because it was a great

play on his part. But my god, the placement on that path as was the chef's kiss baby, I don't know how you could look at that, and there was a perfect angle of it, that back cornerback pylon angle where it was. It just showed dat kind of fitting that one in a window. Oh man, that was such a good throw. But yeah, so I've been looking at it while we talk. I mean, you know, the beating Seattle in the playoffs. Obviously a playoff win is gonna matter.

So that's up there. His game against both of his overtime wins against the Eagles, he played incredible sixteen and eighteen that Tampa Bay game. I mean, even though we lost, played absolutely You're absolutely right that deserves mentioned as well. I would absolutely put that in his like five best performance as ever. That's awesome. That's awesome, and we've said it on every show across the board since the start of training camp. This is an offense that it's a

pick your poison. I mean, I feel like that could be a buzzword around these areas, as pick poison, you'd also say in the bag by Kellen Moore has also been a buzzword. I mean, this offense is rolling. It's the number one offense in the NFL terms of total yardage, their second and scoring. I mean, this is a offense that is on the money right now. But I want to see if this was this the blueprint what Bill Belichick and the Patriots defense put out on the table.

I know they gave up four hundred and forty five yards, but they slowed down the run at least compared to what the run has been doing. They were they forced to Dak Prescott to come and throw fifty one times. They forced Dak Prescott to beat him, and they have to throw for four hundred and forty five yards. So I ask you, guys, is this the blueprint for teams that will that the Cowboys will face the rest of the season. Are they going to throw something similar at

the Cowboys? I'm not so shorter. There is a blueprint, man, because I mean, we look at it and if I was a defensive coordinator, man, would I would have nightmares preparing for this team. I mean, you gotta look at it. Like you said, they did a decent job of slowing down Pollard and Zeke J. C. Jackson did a good job of slowing down Amari Cooper out there, he was shadowing him. But then you still gotta deal with Cede Lamps,

he said Wilson, Noah Brown, Shultz, Jarwin. I mean, just just so many options out there, and like I heard you, say this one time. I mean it's it's like, you know, death bat thousand cuts. I mean, it's like, how many people can you prepare for? Because if you slow down one thing, even if you take away their top two options, whether it's pass, run, whatever you take away, they still have so many more valuable options out there that can

beat you, whether it's one on one or in zone. So, I mean, I'm not sure that Bill Belichick did the blueprint, but I'm not sure there is a blueprint out there. Yeah, I just want to make sure that I have this right. The blueprint to stopping this offense is giving up one twenty two on the ground, four yards per carry from both of your running backs, four hundred and forty five

in the air. Ye thirty five points. And I'll just put the Homer hat on even harder and just point out that they lost two turnovers in the end zone, not just like not middle of the field, not like, oh, you never know what could have happened. He got picked in the end zone. He fumbled on the goal line. Like if the Cowboys play a cleaner game, they I mean, they should have one turnouns in their own should have

won this game. But yeah, on the opening drive. Okay, so then let me ask you, this is the achilles heel of this Cowboys offense? Is it the red zone? And it's yes, it's just the red zone is an issue. That's I feel comfortable saying that they were really good these last three wins before New England. I think they went nine of eleven down there, really good, really good. Um, but when they've played good well, I don't even know if the Patriots are good, but when they've played stingier teams,

I would say they're good defense. Okay, Patriots, they're a flawed team, but they're gonna be I mean, they're gonna be scrappy. I would imagine New England finishes somewhere near five hundred um. And then obviously the Bucks two of five in both of those games. It's gotta be better. And I don't know one hundred percent the answer to it. Wait wait, wait, they were two of five and those two games combined. No, they were, well, they were four of ten and those two ys Okay, sorry, okay, even

more so? Um wow. Yeah. No, it's been an issue, and honestly, it's been an issue for most of Kellen Moore's career. For all of the flowers we throw at his feet, and deservedly so, but that has been a consistent problem going back to twenty nineteen. The red zone is definitely a little a little struggle, and I think it's because of that condensed field. I mean, when you get into that open field part of it, they can they can stretch you out with all their different options,

get their guys the ball in space. But when you're in the red zone, things happen so quick, and guys know that, all right, they're gonna try to pound it with Zeke's let's stack the box up with Zeke and then even if you stop Zeke there, I mean, you don't have a lot of room to pretty much do your whole route trees out there. So guys are you know, they're clamping down in the red zone. So I would say that would be the only Achilles Hill maybe, you know.

I wonder and this is just me thinking out loud. I just and there, I get it. They're so good at running the ball, but I wonder if they're a little over reliant on trying to big boy people down there. Yeah, it's kind of what I was thinking. And you gotta I mean you gotta be You gotta be perfect in those situations. I mean, we just saw obviously Dak got stuffed. We can all I mean, he looked like he got in on third down. That is what it is. He

got stuffed. Josh Allen gets stuffed on Monday Night football, which real like I my entire career. I'm just like, if your quarterback is built like a linebacker, you need to be sneaking on fourth and short. But the NFL is a humbling league. Like even Josh Allen can get denied on fourth and inches. So I like, I say, like, you gotta be perfect in that situation. I'm thinking about the option pitch to Zeke and Tampa. It's a walk in. It's a walk in touchdown if Jarwin hits his block.

But because he doesn't, now you're you're dealing with a tackle for loss. And like, those are the differences between scoring touchdowns and not. And I just wonder maybe they should try to like go empty down there more often. Like you have web amout, you have weapons in the passing game, spread people out, look for horizontal space instead of vertical space. Like I said, I'm literally just going off the dome. While we had to be able to

get a yard. We had to be able to I hear you, But that's kind of my point is like when everybody key he's on it, even a great running game isn't always going to be successful. I just wonder get my boy mc government fullback. Man. I thought we were going to see it this week. Man, I thought we were going to see it. There's there's gotta be some tinkering that they can do, because when they get into games against better opponents, the results speak for themselves.

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on all the shows on Monday. Now. I want to Derek gave me this idea yesterday we were talking yay everybody back, give me a sixty second summary of your show and why people that tune into Talking Cowboys should also listen to the players line. Simple, I'm on the show seconds for that. But you know, no players lounge. It's legit, man, I love it. You know Nui Scrugs is an amazing host out there. Um, you know Danny mccrahame a boy. We've been teammates for man seven years now,

knowing the guy for eleven years. So would basically give you the players point of it from how it is in the locker room, like how the guys in the locker room are talking, how they're feeling, how they're going about things. I mean, it's basically just a player perspective on how the Sunday went, how the week's gonna go, and how we're going to play against this team going forward. So to me, it's a musty must watch it. You

gotta check it out Players Lounge. I believe we come on at eleven oh no, No twelve thirty each and every day. Check us out Dallas Cowboys dot Com play as nolune Man. It is a really really fun show. I love it. And Barry's also on special edition pregame and post game. He is all over the plays. I'm cutting into my proud stick man, proud older brother over here. Yes, he got me into it. He's come so far from the cover four days? Is that it was that you're dealing.

I mean it was a collective effort, but like that was that was the first media work that was very very first on cover four but I think longer somebody it was probably Derek. Somebody was like, yeah, I think Church is hanging around and he's interested, and I was like, yes, let's do it, let's do that. Let's do it, all right, tell me about the break. I know a lot of

talking Cowboys fans are also the break. I laugh, man, and I know it's probably not true, but like I just if you care enough about any of these shows to listen to them off and you probably know about all the other ones else, the break is Grumpy were the break is the Grumpy Show because Nick and I are like the two tiredest people. Not that we work harder than everybody. I don't know. Maybe we just don't. We just don't have the same energy. But if you want, hey,

we we are. We follow the team everywhere they go. They know we know the most about the show or about the team, in my very in my very humble opinion, at least the most amount of experience. You can't argue that. I will give you that. Derek and Nick have been here since like ninety nine. I've been here for a decade. I don't know how the hell that happened. Ye man, yeah, man, it's it's maybe experience is the way to go with a with a dash of like just lovable grumpiness. Maybe God,

Derek was gonna hate his description. We have a good time to damn it. We have a good time. It is. It is a great show. It was the original and so yeah, that was the first show leap so right, yeah, okay, yeah, I think the second was talking Derek and talking was first. Talking was first. We're the original. Okay, okay, I can't even say that. Yeah, you were in you were in like sixth grade when Mickey started that show or whenever

it started. What year was it being, Oh gosh, I can't remember, but Talking Cowboys started as like for the Cowboy we had to think called the Cowboys Channel. It was on Comcast, that's right, and Talking Cowboys it was the first show. It was like our main show and uh then transition to a podcast, and then we started adding and then the break was next. It was called the Lunch Break at first, so now it's called The Cowboys Break. The break has been on since two thousand

and four. I know that because Derek said every day. Yeah, still in high school, dude, I was. Yeah, I was in like ninth grade. I like telling Nick that too, makes him feel great. I was eight years old, so I was in the third Girl. Yeah, hell oh goodness, I'm still young in the grand scheme of things. Yeah, no, I know, but like im, I'll be thirty three soon. But I'm just I'm I'm getting to that point where people start saying stuff like that and I'm like, I

don't like it. I'm like, oh man too, yeah yeah exactly. So all right, let's go ahead and step aside. That's it for us. You're on Talking Cowboys for Barry Church, for David Helmet. Thanks so much guys for stopping in this week and having some fun. I'm Kyle Yeoman's for Chris Beam in the Bank. We'll see you on Monday. Enjoy the bye week, everybody. This has been a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.