Talkin' Cowboys: Best Camp Position Battle?

here on the practice field in Oxnard, California. As this is Thursday, and this is the third straight day of practices here in Oxnard, and it is practice number seven in pads number five. I think, do you do this as a test like an It's like Derek Derek has this thing episode one, sixteen years the season and all that thirty seven When somebody hosts, it's like they just totally don't even talk about it. But I think it's it with you. Is it like trying to just know

you're pro? That's trying to keep the brain active. I see you working out in the morning side was wondering if yet now you're doing that doing my mental gymnastics. I got to figure this. It is day number ten for the team here in Oxnard, right and for us yeah, that's exactly well. One of us got out here a day earl O number eleven, so it was workout number eleven for me today. Yeah, start continues. You you're doing great. We wouldn't drove out here with you. Yeah, it seemed

like the drive just from Lax to Hear. Yeah, yeah, it seems like you drove from Texas here, Mickey. In honor of a TCU's first day of practice, this is TCU horn Frog Purple on today. You look very spiffy there. Make me thank you very much. It could be LSU. It could be LSU. That's exactly right. It could be

Kansas State. We're gonna go through every team, every team, and I go ahead and say Northwestern wire at it, the Minnesota Vikings too, all right, And it is a big day for the local TV types here because the DAK car wash is today. There you go after the morning walk through at eleven thirty. Is that a TV term car wash? It's I like it. I just never heard of it. It's a I guess ESPN is the

one who who coined the phrase. When you know, uh, in the summertime, they'll take a like the Big Twelfth Conference and SEC coaches all up to Bristol and they'll run them through the car wash. I mean, and they'll go do ESPN two, they'll do big ESPN, they'll do radio, they'll do all of that. And they do that I think with some NFL types too. But anyway, for and so I will see listen questions for Dak Prescott because I've got to sit down with him like that. I've

got a list of questions. But if there's something out there that someone wants to hear from Dak Prescott or from you gentlemen too, if you have any suggestions, Yeah, you know, I don't know what he thinks about the anthem. Yeah he sorry told you that, hedn't he? Oh? Yeah, Now to stop people from trying to ask, now the question is, and being a local TV type, I get pressure from my newspeople. But sure, now you gotta ask him, what do you think about the reaction to your anthem opinions?

So that's probably a question I'll have to ask today. Yeah, what football question do you have? That? That's what I would like football questions? Um, Because on Dallas Cowboys dot Com and we were talking about we all were a part of a twenty questions thing and talking about pressure on the head coach, pressure on the quarterback, and which would have more, which would feel more? But you know, you look at what he has to you know, he's

won twenty two games in his career. You know he'd like to, of course, you know, keep keep winning doing his winning ways. But is there pressure on him? Does he feel pressure about a contract? Does questions? Does he feel does he feel pressure? In my opinion, does he feel pressure? Is it team pressure? Is it personal pressure? What's the pressure? Though? The pressure is to do what? To learn? One hundred plus million dollars contract potentially after this? So what do you have to do to do that?

Play we have a great season. That's a great season, lead the team to wins. So now you guys are skirting the question. I'm not what, No, that's my answer. He he led him to how many wins in two years? Twenty two? That's not good enough? Yeah? He super Bowl, super Bowl doesn't ever, he doesn't Every year matter, it does not what every year? You gotta do something better? Successful, ten, eleven, twelve, super Bowl. I I think it's ultimately that's Matt Ryan

just got paid a lot of money, right, right? He hadn't won a Super Bowl. Sure, he's put the cart in front of the horse. Can't You can't put the cart in front of the horse. I know that, right, Okay? And so that's why Dak go oh In the last week or so, he tweets out a picture of him coming on the practice field here at training camp. Tunnel vision, right, he cannot be thinking about what might be in store

down the road. He's got to have tunnel vision and outside noise, whether it's reaction to what opinion that the quarterback of America's team has on the anthem or whatever, He's got to have tunnel vision on what's hell? There's the first question. Then how do you develop that as a quarterback and block out everything else that's swirling around you? Yeah? And he's young, and he's only in his third year in the NFL, and it seems like he's already learned that.

Can I ask you a question, what point were you driving at in that? In that is trying to get to the Matt Ryan think. Well with Matt Ryan is what did he get one hundred million? So the guy in Minnesota got a lot of money too, Yeah, Garoppolo, pressure on him? Yeah, you know, because he's already got his money. Now does he does he keep it? I think I think it's a different pressure. I think it's

a different pressure. I think because it's the Cowboys. I think those guys when you when you pay guys like that, that means you've solidified your position as a job with your job position. But Garoppolo, yeah, I think, so what did he solidify five games? Well, he solidified that. San Francisco feels like that he's a quarterback of the future. Team team this team doesn't. This team necessarily is waiting to see if Dak Prescott's the quarterback of the future. Mick,

put yourself in his shoes. Okay, he makes four hundred and fifty K, I got it, all right. You have an opportunity to increase your salary by tens of millions of dollars. Okay, that's I call that good pressure. But that's pressure. But I mean that's that's an opportunity. He could play well and they could lose. He can't do it by himself. I'm not I'm not saying that that

would prevent him from doing that. I'm just saying that that's out in front of him, and he has to perform at whatever level the Cowboys decide to whatever perspective they have based on his performance to give him that. That's I look at his good pressure and I think Dak's answer your question would be, I don't. I don't feel that pressure. And I actually believe that because just being around this guy for three years, he's a unique person like I just I honestly don't think the anthem

stuff too like I don't. I really believe him when he says he believes what he believes. He focuses on what he focuses on, and he doesn't let noise bother him. I truly believe that. I don't believe that with certain guys, but I believe it with dad Man. I was looking back at his Mississippi State stuff last night and studying up to talk to him today. It is remarkable the career that he had at Mississippi State. I mean one of those the aspects of that, and this goes to

playing quarterback and being the leader of America's team. He won with the Senior Class Award. Are you familiar with the Senior Class Award? It is not only for what you do on the field and academics, but it's community service type thing. It is one of the most it's like a complete person. Yeah, and that is one of the most prestigious awards that a college athlete can win. Yeah,

and he won that at Mississippi State. Well, yeah, I think the thing that you look at him, I'm sorry, go ahead, no, but no. But but my point is not obviously they're building statues for him at Mississippi shut but when you look, we should not be surprised at how he handles everything at this level. It could just look back at his career at Mississippi State and consider what he was going through during a portion of that time, if not all the time, dealing with his mom's cancer

and her passing and so forth. Had one of the greatest games of his career just a couple of weeks after his mom passes away in their big rivalry game in the Egg Bowl where he comes off the bench with a broken wall. I can't remember what was broken

audio stuff there was broken. Yeah. The DAK documentary that we did our staff, dad Kent, Dave Taylor going out there that Yeah, and it wasn't just they love him so much out there, and like you said, it's not just about what he did on the football field, you know, it's it's it's the person he is and the impact he's had on that community come from a scouting perspective, though.

Scouts have gone through there since he's been gone, and they've gone, you know, they're like, Okay, where are all the players, where are all the this is a ten win team, nine win team. They're going in there thinking, wait, this is a team that should that has all these all these talented players, and they really don't. It was a lot of it was Dak Prescott's much When you talked about this leadership, his determination, his drive, his willingness

to sacrifice. You know that that That's the funny thing. Scouts went in there like whoa, whoa, whoa. Without him, this is a five six win tis athleticism two. I mean, you know, he ran for a lot of yards and ye Mississippi State, And I went back and looked at some of the videos of it, and there were some athletic places running the football and with some speed to get away from some SEC defenders and so forth. So anyway, you know, I like what you're saying about the I

think that we all feel pressure in certain ways. Yeah, you know we're all we all we all want to feel like though that you know that we have our fate in our hands here, you know, and he we want we feel pressure to try and get to that next level. I I you say, good pressure. I like what you're saying there. But you know he would probably say, no, I don't feel the pressure tunnel vision all that. But humans, we do feel that. We do feel pressure to perform.

I feel pressure every night to sit down and write a good piece so somebody next day. But you can read it and feel a little bit better about no One about this football. But here's the difference pressure that is. And you're right, I agree with you. This is why I say it's good pressure, because you love what you do, so you look forward to that opportunity, that challenge. That's why. That's how I think Dak probably approaches it. But I think I think everyone can apply it to You can

apply it to your own life. Yeah, about where you were coming when you were coming out of college in your chosen profession, and there's so much uncertainty as you go out there. Now, obviously from a pay scale, this is way down here, Yea, and Dak's opportunities way yeah.

But I mean I've got three kids with with two three sons in law, and there's a lot of pressure on the husbands of my daughters to put put food on the table in an economy that we don't know kay housing market that is for our first time HomeBuyer, there's pressure on those people. I think it's the wrong word. I think there's motivation. There's pressure and motivation. I think I don't know if they're the same. You're motivated to improve yourself, right, but you don't sit there going god,

you know. And I'll give you an example, because I remember when I got to the Dallas Times Herald and I'm sitting in the newsroom and I got to knock out a story, right, and I was grinding, I mean grinding because this was gonna be the best story I ever wrote in my life. Right, I had to prove myself and the sports that are walked by. And he looked at me and he goes, hey, Mick, smile, you know, and he saw what I was doing, right, And then it's like, Okay, I'm motivated to do well. And if

pressure causes motivation, then it's in the off season. I got to be prepared. I got to be prepared on Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday. But when I hear pressure, and I think what people are saying is I'm under huddle, and I'm going, oh my god, I better complete this pass or I'm gonna lose a million dollars. I got a great example of this when I graduated from college. I went and looking for radio or TV jobs, and now that was pressure. Well,

and the pay was like three fifty an hour. I mean with I got a college degree, Yeah, I want a corpus Christie applying for a TV job and the pay was like three seventy five an hour. Yeah, okay. So I decided, all right, maybe it's in my blood to be a lawyer because my dad's a lawyer. I've got two sisters her attorneys. So I went to law school. The most miserable month of my life was in law

school at the University of Oklahoma. I was I was doing OU football play by play at the same time, and I was studying the rosters for the OU USC game number one versus Number two, a lot more than I was torts or criminal law or any of that.

So I quit law school a month into it. Okay, I went to work in Lubbock, Texas, making twelve thousand dollars a year, and I worked there for four years, and I look back, those were the I was in my zone there, Okay, where I was, I was, and I was making nothing, you know, with the hope that someday I'll be able to get married and raise a

family and so forth. But just like when Dak talks about his piece is out here on this football field, you know, with his the anthem talk, whatever, his piece is on this football field, and if he does what he loves to do out here, everything else takes care of itself. And that was my attitude when I was working in Lubbook and San Antonio. And you know, that's exactly my point. That's a great story. Like he's been through an he's been through a lot in his life.

That's where his peace and his passion is, and so pursue it. You know, I agreed. Maybe the pressure then is not even on him. Yeah, I don't think it. Maybe, you know, maybe Mickey's right that pressure might be the wrong word. I think I think pressure in all walks of life, a little bit is good because he makes you get up in the morning, you work hard, people pushing you. It makes you, you know, so I'm with you, Mick.

I don't look at it as bad pressure. But there is pressure on everybody out there to perform, the coaching staff, the players. It depends on how you view it. How what's your perspective is. I just don't like the word that. Well, yeah, I mean it's kind of something because if you're feeling pressure, then you ain't performing. Like I'll give you pressure. You're in Wimbledon, the sets on the line, and you're serving

and you've already made your first double fault. Now you've got to be able to throw the ball up and hit it over the net in the little box, right, otherwise you're losing. Now if you're thinking about all that your toast. But right, you gotta just sit there and go, Okay, I've done this a million times, let's just do it one more time. Right. You can't think about failure. So if you're thinking about failure, then there's pressure on you.

You got to think about this is how I do this next play, and not oh what if I screw this up? Yeah, And then if you're feeling that you're your toast. Pressure pressure is when you got a twenty dollars bet, and you only got five dollars in your wall. Your pressure is Jerry Jones walking to the rental car company at DFW and you know your credit cards not gonna feel proved, right, it gets cutting off field, right, that's pressures, pressure, And these guys are all out here.

Everybody that made it out here is wired a little differently because they're able to, like you said, block that stuff out, or they wouldn't make it to this level. That's absolutely Yeah. A reminder, we've got the Blue White Scrimmage right here on Dallas Cowboys dot com. It is on Sunday four o'clock. Actually, the team gets out on the field. They start walking out there on the field about three thirty. And so you want to get out here.

If you're in southern California, head on out here. Appearances autographs from Rowdy, the official mascot of the Cowboys. There's a youth combine that is set up over on the by the grandstands. Yeah, for ages six to sixteen, skills, drills coaching from former NFL players. Former Cowboy Corey Proctor has been out there. I was talking to him about it yesterday. Is that what he's here for. That's what

he's here for. Yeah, he's he runs that and uh, there's there's fun, as they say, fun for the whole family. Yea out here and we'll also have it if you can't make it out to two training camp, we'll have it here on Dallas Cowboys dot com and in the Dallas Fort Worth Theory. It's televised on t XA twenty one and we'll all be a part of the broadcast as well. We're prepared for it, or is there too much? Could this be the year that we get Nate to

say a few words, Nate. We geting Nate on the sidelines with Lindsay and next no, Nate just takes over the broadcast. I love, I love the interaction with May. Moved to the big table this year. Oh, I don't know, I don't know. I'll tell you why. Nate does a great job. He was in rare Form yesterday with him and he and Tony Wise together. He was here. Dave Campo was here too, yes, and they started in war stories and I was in tears. Tony Wise maybe the

funniest person. Then you get and then you get Nate going and all my lord, yeah, and Campbell was here and uh, what a nice guy. He comes up to me on the sideline and you know when when b Ornson was with the Cowboys, I was off doing baseball stuff and he obviously watches Dallas Cowboys dot com. He come, well or else he just saw my name on the name tag here now, but he comes. He comes up and says, Hi, Bill, how you doing. I'm like, I'm Eric, Oh, yeah, I remember you. He did the same thing to me

because he walked by and I might have not. I mean he's kind of tall and lost. Lender had his boys with him, and yeah, he did the same thing. I post a question in Nate yesterday was on their show Hanging with the Boys and see if you agree with this, asked Nate. We had a caller call in and kind of talk about the offensive line. Color wanted to know what current Cowboy offensive lineman could have played on their offensive line has been a starter and what

do you think. Nate's answer was, who what? What Cowboy player on this current line does he feel like could have been on one of the starting five on his Super Bowl line? Nate calls Zack Martin the president, Right, I'm gonna guess Nate said, Zach could have taken his job. No, no, okay, it's not Wait so which guy five could play? No? No, no, no no, no, no, what guy on this curl? The cowboy current five could have been a starter on the

Super Bowl five? Wow, that's a heck of a question. Well, I mean, Nate answered it, and I was just gonna I'd see if you guys wanted, answer would be go to Tyron Smith. But it is Tyron Smith. He would have taken t Smith. Well that's the first thing. But he but he would have replaced Mark Tuine And he says, you know, but he you know, when it came down, I asked him about what about Travis Frederick? You know it's center. He says, nah, step h, No, Wow, he was Adam and even you know he was Nate was

trying hard to answer the question. I mean, it really took him back. Nate had himself above the president. Oh well, Nate was taking himself out of that. That's a good answer. Yeah, but he but he so like he he felt like that Tyrant Smith could have been the guy and he and the only really he says, and it was tough. He says, maybe two maybe two. He goes, I'm not going there fully, but if I had to say, who could be off this line? And I was, I mean, he went through a lot of whys and why not.

It's a really good show if you want to go back on Dallas Cowboys. If you looked at it from Tyrant Smith's standpoint, he's he's much more talent than Mark two and a ever was right right, and Tyrn Smith has got the same um destroying instant demeanor as yeah demeanor, thank you destroying Actually today I'm kind That's what. That's

what made two and Yeah. He was a tough So that's if you were in an alley William, But if you were in an alley fight, you wanted to see with you, that's what That's what That's why Hey, that's why Nate had. He was saying we were a different line, and we were talking Tony he goes, we were different. We wanted to maul people. These guys are athletes, he goes. We just wanted We just were gonna find a way to maul you the whole game. We weren't worried about

getting in space and second level and all that. We were just going to find a way to mash you and but I found it interesting. That's cool. It was a great, great question by one of the listeners out there. So he's including so that was for maybe he wasn't talking about the Larry Allen. Larry Allen, Oh no, he So you're talking an offensive line because of course Larry Allen came in the middle of that, right, and so because you had John Geesick in there. So he's he's

looking at an offensive line. If you had to take the best offensive line from that area, right, you got two and a Larry Allen, Stepanowski, Nate and Eric Williams. Williams right about Eric Williams only was ninety two, ninety three and part of ninety four, and after his accident he wasn't but still n Nate's like, he's talking about the nastiness of that line, and he points the finger at Eric Williams as that's the guy, that's the guy that you know, you know what, I'm smiling. Because it

was the O nine season. There was a very popular national columnist I'm not going to mention his name, who is a training camp in San Antonio and he was comparing the nine offensive line. Maybe he's going into the twenty tents probably was a twenty ten season, coming off a decent year at oh nine, okay, and he was comparing that cowboy offensive line with the offensive line in the nineties, and I made the same face Mickey's making

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Cowboys continues here from Oxnard, California. Happy you could join us on this Thursday. Cowboys practice this afternoon. They'll do be doing probably some yoga out here today. I'm thinking they may bring their walk through. I think this is probably a special team, special team walking yoga going on. Why are you shaking your head? I saw the yoga lady walking past. Yeah, she was here sorrow last night. Yeah,

time for they bring towels out there. You spend half your NFL career on the ground and they're gonna worry about laying down there you're yoga. You're a bad NFL player if you're on the ground a lot. They're protecting the field. Yeah, yeah, maybe do they take their shoes off? I didn't know. I don't think so, Okay, I don't. Well, we'll keep an eye on it too. Yeah, you scout that at all, right, suld check us out on Twitter

and maybe we'll have some pictures for you. Just let's ridiculous other day that we had with five yoga questions right on. You're part of that too, because I'm a TV guy. We're doing a story on different Yeah, it's a visual five yoga questions. Well, I oh, you know, I've done yoga myself. And you know what happened with Jason with Jason said my name. I got a text you basically said that you could use yoga yourself jokes, And I got a text for my producer say, we

got our sound bite right there. Sure enough, they ran in on that night and the next night, and they'll probably run it again. The coach knows who our guy is exactly. He doesn't show I mean I would hope. Yeah, all right, nine seven two The number to call Nebbie and Silver Spring Maryland. You are on talking cowboys. Uh um hi, guys, thanks for taking my call. I have two quick questions. One what uh uh uh what position battle or position battles as the case, maybe have I

have been the best in training camp so far? And two? Uh uh uh? Who is more likely uh to be uh to to be our starting uh uh? I tight end when we play in Carolina on opening day, Jeff Swam or Blake? Uh uh? Darwin? I take care, thanks for being patient with me, and have a great week. Bye. Thanks to Nebby two great questions. Let's start with the position battles. I'll go with um. I like the way this receiver battle shaping up, honestly, uh not? Maybe not?

We know Beasley and Tavon are gonna get their share of snaps. It looks like. But Michael Gallup put on a show yesterday. He was outstanding. He's had a couple of days in camp already where you're like, wow, I mean he's got a lie. I was yesterday. I was one that Oh yeah, this guy's got it making catches. You know. Sanjay Law talked about his wide catch radius the other day and he showed it yesterday. He made

catches on the ground on the sideline, dive in for balls. Um, he's got the right make up too, He's got him, he's got all the tools. Um. Uh, Brian, I know you wrote about Deontay Thompson. He's showing things out there too. There's there's receivers that have Terrice Williams had a nice day yesterday. Receivers had had a good day yesterday. The other positions, you're well, I think the one that has more uh guys battling than maybe available spots is gonna

be defensive end. And we're getting ready to add another guide to it here in a couple of days. And

we should explain the Randy Gregory thing. If you hear Jason Garrett yesterday, Uh, he is active now, he's they can't he came off in FI and basically four now anyway, that is just an opportunity to get him out here in the morning, walk through on the grass, as they say, and that so that he can do what essentially a skull session stuff here and then he will advance and at some point he'll move to the put the pads on and and we'll just see what the what the

timetable is? You know? And I guess we have to qualify what battle is? Are you battling for a starting job? Are you battling for a spot on the team. But there's more defensive ends that can fit on this team. You add Randy Gregory to it, and a couple of guys better be careful because they're opening the door. Charles Tappers has an illness now, so he's not practicing tackle. Charlton's got a shoulder, he's not practice sing. So suddenly, you know, Cony Ealy's getting more reps than he normally

would with the first team. Uh if they sit down to Marcus Lawrence and then there's a couple of guys coming from afar this Uh, how do you say it? Antoine Woods, he's been getting more reps. And it was funny. Yesterday I was on the field talking with Campo. Uh, Clancy came by and that was his guy from Southern Cow. So he's talking to him and Jerry comes by and he looks at it and he goes, yeah, your guys,

he's showing up. Da da Edie. Eddie tells the kid don't let up, and Antoine Woods goes and I think he called him coach. I don't and he said, I don't know what that means, and I said, good answer, right, But who knows who? Antoine Woods is right, but he's getting an opportunity. So those guys get hurt and they get off the field, they're opening a door for somebody else. And then here comes Randy. I agree. And I don't know.

Maybe I'm still sticking to no sooner than Saturday, and it might be Monday before he puts the pads on. But yeah, those guys better watch out there because they got a battle on their hands. This is gonna sound crazy, but I still think this Mike linebacker situation is worth watching because you're starting to see Layton Vanderish play a lot more. And and I don't think that Jalen Smith's gonna go away. I think that he's gonna find you know,

he's gonna be super competitive. He has been, He's overcome a lot. I think there is a little bit of a battle there now. Maybe it means but also Damian Wilson hasn't been terrible either playing the Sam linebacker, and so you know you got to think about, Okay, you're gonna move Jalen Smith over to Sam linebacker, give him

some work over there. When a guy like Damian Wilson has actually played pretty well, I don't think that I've seen anything to make me think that that Damian Wilson deserves just to be, you know, thrown to the side. Welcome back to training camp, Dalta. Yeah, he I mean, and I'm talking about that. I think I think overall, when you talk about blitzen and attacking the pocket and playing the run, I think Damian Wilson's been pretty good. So I'm still keeping it on that mic linebacker spot.

I'm gonna tell you a spot I'm kind of worried about right now, and it's not so much the defensive tackle. I haven't seen great things from Cam Fleming. I have not seen great things from him. I've seen kind of a fifty fifty player. I haven't seen great things from Chaz Green. He's been a little bit of fifty fifty player. The one guy that's kind of shown up is this Jacob Campos, this number sixty three. They worked him on the left side, the right side. You know, he's a

guy I watched from Iowa State. He was a slow footed, really a non mobile, non strong guy at Iowa State. But he's come here. You know. It might be the fact that he was here after the draft. He's working out, didn't go anywhere, and he's worked on some things and kind of gotten a little bit better. But this backup tackle spot, this swing spot that Mickey and we all

like to talk about. I don't know how much real confidence I have and Cam Fleming right now, and if and if even if if Chad's Green had just shown up a little bit better. I know we all have our thoughts about Chads Green. And I'm sure the fans out there, like broad Us, you're you know, put put

the pipe down, you know that kind of stuff. But Gatorade, I think, yeah, I think that that that there's there should be some concern about that spot right now because they haven't got the consistency from the position yet that I thought that they were going to get when they plug. When they plug, Cam Fleming in there to do some work and I'm I'm with Brian on that, and all of a sudden, now Marcus Martin is a concern to

the other free agents. There you go, he's off on the side working when better than Marcus Martin and anderstanding. They weren't, but there was some idea. But he showed my understanding as he showed up overweight and he's gained weight, grossly overweight. And so they're working them on the side when there's some other drills going on with the offensive lineman, just so he's not standing around and trying to get

him back in big man camp. So the backup guard right now, I mean, you're probably keeping Joe Looney to be the swing guard center, but you need a full time backup guard. And Brian's right edwards hasn't been bad, no cademan, is it? Is it pretty with the way he plays, no feed all over the place. Yes, he's strong, No, but the problem that they're running into they've got. They could talk about the five they've got, but okay, other than Joe Looney, I'm I'm not just totally shot in

the rear about some of these guys. Through eight days of doing this or not how many member days we've been doing this. I wish that there was one of those guys would have just stepped up and said, I'm the swing tackle. This is what I'm gonna do. You can rely on me. They haven't had Yeah, didn't and again the best the guy has been best is number sixty three if you see him, which is has been Jacob Campos. All right. The other question Debbie had was

about tight end. Who would who would be your starting tight end? I'm gonna say plural. At Carolina September ninth, they'll come out with too tight end office. I haven't seen any reason why Jeff Swain doesn't have that job yet. I think jar One's good. Yeah, I think he needs to be maybe a little bit better blocker. But when they go too tight, it's him and jar One. Schultz is on the move, but I don't know how soon

that'll take place. Did one of you guys say this the other day about Jarwin might allow them to do what they hope to do with Escobar and Jason Witten. I think you could put them. You could put him with Swain in some two tight some twelve personnel and use jar One as a pass catcher at it Because should he beat that ball yesterday? Yes, it was, yeah, it was a little long. Well, he did make a nice reception knowing the corner on the one on one. He was the only tight end that when they went

red zone one on one dbs and wide receivers. Blake Jarwin took a rep against Duke Thomas. I'm sure Duke Thomas looked up and goes eighty nine, I have not seen you all camp? Who are you? Who are you? You know? And the ball went right over the top and Jarwin, I mean perfect extension lay you know, put the hands out, ballets on the hands. So they're obviously thinking that Jarwin could be I'll tell you this, this is when this is when you're just scouting, you kind

of look at things. Philadelphia, I feel like, has a really good understanding of their tight ends and the kind of tight ends they want to play in the athletes that they use. It tests something when Philadelphia goes after a guy like Blake Jarwin, because you can kind of see some of the things that Philadelphia does with their

tight ends down the field. You can see that in Blake Jarwin, and I can understand why, Hey, they they evaluate him, they tried to poach him, Cowboys make a smart play to keep him because my humble opinion, he has been the best tied end they've had in camp so far. So and I and I did this in my mind, Gosh, I'm messed up. I was laying in bed, and it's like I was thinking about the wide receivers right, and I was going, Okay, give me the top six and I and I could give you my top five.

Where did you stop at six? Who'd you stop? So? Okay? So I did? I did? Terrence Williams, Hearns, Beasley, Thompson, Tavon Austin. Okay, Now who's the next guy? You forgot? Gallup? Did you say gallop? Oh? And gallop? That I did? You're set. I'm set. I'm six. Now what if I wanted seven? Who? I mean? Who would who? Mentioned? Is there anybody else to challenge? Yeah? He's made play? And then and then McKay, yeah you know six? Four? Wow?

You know what? See this is what I didn't I didn't understand why Noah Brown was on the roster last year. This is what's gonna happen. This is what's gonna happen to get hurt. You know, we'll see Keith o quinn. This is gonna see where where where Rich Basaccia had a big stick in that meeting room where he was able to hit people over the head with it when you know he wanted a player We're gonna see if Keith o quinn has enough juice to get Noah Brown

on this roster. You know that as primarily a special special team who can help blocking the game, which means he's not just on the fifty three, he's on theme. But but I've got more linebackers now that can take up that spot. Joe Thomas can play. Don't you think absolutely Joe Thomas could played. Joe Thomas could play, marsh Lillard can play, Bamian Wilson's gonna have to play. Vander ash has been out there. Team. Maybe I don't need a wide receiver to be a coverage guy. See this.

I like guys that are paid to tackle to be coverage. Okay, When when Lenahan runs his packages where he brings a wide receiver in motion and stops him on the edge, who does he usually do that with? And I'm not trying to trick you here, I'm just trying to when you watch us, when you watch the Cowboys, it's gonna be Terrence Williams, right, Okay? Does okay? Now? Does Terrence Williams to me? And I'm cheerleading for Terrence Williams because I think he's gonna play with a chip on his shoulder,

and he actually showed some good things. But would they sacrifice Terrence Williams to keep Noah Brown on this team? I wouldn't. I think you've got to have, you gotta. I just think you gotta feel good about a receiver group for Dak Prescott first. I think you gotta find guys that he trusts and will use first, and then figure out who can help you on on special terms. I wouldn't. I wouldn't thank that move. I'd find the

first receiver first, the best receiver. When you're talking about Terrence Williams not being on this team, would it be as a is there trade value for Terrence Williams? See that Terrence Williams didn't have it. He he got to free agency. Am I correct about that? You know he signed a big free but the people had an opportunity to go get Terrence was. I think we have to be real careful about Oh, people want our players. I

think you have to be careful about that. I think there's certain guys on this team that you could trade and have trade value with. But I don't know if if necessarily that Terrence Williams with the off field stuff with if you watch that disappeared, Yeah, and that's news today, that's good news. But if you watch his tape is Terrence Williams? Would you consider Terrence Williams a two? Would you consider him a three? You consider him a four? What if he's a four? Is he? Is he a

better for than Bryce Butler? Oh? I think so? Yeah, But that's what you got Thompson for Thompson's you're better Bryce Butler. I think Thompson's gonna fit in there. And where's Thompson on your list? Now? Is he three or four? You know what, I don't think there's gonna be any numbers. I think we're gonna have six guys. They're gonna go. It's gonna be it's gonna be like the I did a rod. Right, six guys, and you say much. They do have a They do have a lead dog in

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a wrist and my watches. That's it. I can count on one finger how many times I have forgotten by a watch this. I think it's your first time number of years i've I've lost it or I haven't lost it, I just forgot it. Uh. It is forty five minutes away from yoga out here on the practice field. Mickey's fired up for that. I'm sure Bill's fired up because he's getting to get another question in today about yoga. I promise I won't. I might ask Dak about yoga,

but I'm not asking you. I watched this. I'm gonna look over Bill and how you doing guys? Okay, I was gonna give yeah where Yeah, if you hear, if you were from Rogue one, you know exactly what's going on. Okay. We buried the lead. By the way, we had a bad day asking questions yesterday. We buried the lead. Randy Gregory had moved into the walkthrough walk through right, Yeah, and he's off of NFI. That's good. Uh, And I

know somebody's gonna say how did he look? Well, it's a walk through right throw the pool, but you know, look good with those defensive ends missing. He actually got a snapper two. He physically would looks good and you know what, he sounds good. I don't know if you guys were a part he stood on. He's not doing any interviews, he was. He just he shot the bull with everybody and he said, hey, look you can't film it, you can't record it. I I'll get in trouble notes.

I'm not gonna talk basically until um right until he puts the pads on. But he seemed very comfortable. So Becky's going to proceed to tell us everything he told. Yeah, I'm an easy story because he seemed very calm, very at ease with himself and a little bit more mature. And he was telling somebody asking him about having a I don't know, his daughter's what three three years old? And so you know, right away I think it was Clarence giving him. You know, it's like, oh you got

a daughter now, hahnah, how's that gonna work out? You know? And and he goes, yeah, yeah, I know, you know, he goes, I'll probably have you know, he was talking about being a very protective father, which she gets older, right and uh, and it's like, yeah, welcome to the club, because this is life's revenge. You know, you have a daughter and Bill knows right, he had three, right, three three, And so he was talking about it and he goes, yeah, and he goes and this is what I just hate.

He goes, my mother used to tell me all this different stuff, right, and I used to get so mad at her, And now that this has happened, he goes, she was right about everything she told me, you know. And and it's like, I'm not quoting or anything, but it was the story of he's he's kind of growing up a little bit and I think he's realizing things and maybe that helps him. Okay, So we talked a little bit the other day about what we thought the

timetable might be. Now, what do you think the timetable is the Only thing Jason Garrett would say in the press conference as far as the timetable is is they expect him to play in are in the preseason at some point. I mean, the way he said it yesterday, it wouldn't shock me if he didn't practice until after they got back from San Francisco. But you never missed that much time. But you never know. I know, I'm sorry, I jump. I know you want to see him sooner

than today, and we could yeah today. I'm just it's the I know, maybe maybe maybe we see him beginning of next week. I think. I think the beginning of next week he can go Monday, Tuesday, take Wednesday, Thursday, Friday off and then get back at it. Yeah, Monday's an afternoon practice and then a Tuesday morning practice, right matter, No, I don't think so, because Tuesday is gonna be and you won't have a Friday before. See, I was trying

to get him to the Blue White game. I was trying, I think, and I know, and that's that's that is. I'm a selfish about think about a guy that's been out. I know, I know, you're with an injury. They do. There are two three days. I used to be, I'm here, then individual and then you get him in teen. You said it the other day. It's not just the last eighteen months. He missed fourteen games in twenty sixteen. Two he has missed basically two years. It's a long time away.

We got a long term plan that he's gonna be on the roster on September ninth, and they're getting ready for September nine. One thing I'll say, just about the way he looks. We were on the other field and he was a couple of days ago. He was working with Woisick Nick thought it was somebody else. Yeah, who they working out today? Yeah? Yeah? And he looked almost like a tackle at first, his upper body when he had really developed when he had. Because I told somebody,

what a camera? I said, who's that working out over there? He goes, it's Gregory. I can't beat Gregory. The guy looks too big, right, he's two hundred and forty two pounds. That could that be Gregory? All right, let's go to Caleb in New York. You're next up here on Talking Cowboys, Talking Cowboys. Caleb, how are you? I'm doing well? Good, long time listener, first time caller. UM. First off, I want to say to brought us than I love the work you guys do on the Draft show, and thank you.

Can't you guys got from CBS. UM, it's very informative and listen to it for the last probably or five seasons. Thank you appreciate that. All right, that's enough. Don't go off on your minute now, all right? Yeah, all right, Um, so you guys already hit. What I wanted to talk on is Gregory. But I have a couple of other questions. I've heard a lot about Vander esh and Jalen Smith.

I haven't heard anything about Sean Lee this season or this offseason, how he's doing, how wise and how much he's practicing and stuff, um, as well as Uh, I have a question about Jordan Lewis because I know they're trying to do Byron Jones and Woozy on the outside. Are they moving him into the slot? Are they moving uh, Jordan Lewson to the slot and having him play there or is he fighting for that position? Um? And I'll listen off. Yeah, thank you, thank you. September ninth, Carolina.

That's the master plan for him as well. Yeah, if if, if we're if you don't hear a lot about somebody, it's because we're not gonna make stuff up. You know, he's not practicing, right, it's hard to it's hard to you know, it's hard to talk about a guy that doesn't practice. How much do you think he will practice out here? I think he won't practice. To me, I think that it will. It will come down to I

think he'll miss another whole week. The San Francisco is just they're they're really the concern with him is wear and tear. Yeah that he always says that they trying they're trying to protect me from myself, you know. And he'll play in the Arizona preseason game. I think when we start to get back towards Dallas. Yes, I think you'll see him. You know, I see him have a couple of opportunities, maybe one preseason game, sit out the Houston game. But I just don't I just get a

two weeks before the regular season over right. See. It's funny they they they're practicing him like I would maybe consider practicing Tyrant Smith. You know. That just shows you the value that they think of. Like, okay, well maybe maybe we really have to protect this because one of the things with Tyrant Smith. Want you want Tyrant Smith and Connor Williams to work together. Yeah, they don't have

anybody playing backup. Right, He'll take a couple of snaps and then he's out tiring, right, Yeah, flaming we've seen. Maybe that's why we know so much about Fleming. Now, well, it's just the guy's knees. I don't know, you're, Mickey, I'm starting to disagree with you here. You guys are sometimes he gets the job done and sometimes you do. I said he was a fifty fifty player. You know, I don't need a fifty fifty player. Yeah, you know, if I want a fifty fifty guy, well maybe twenty

five guy would be the Chadscreen. I just want somebody. I want somebody to make me feel really good that okay, we're not missing a beat here. You know, you say what you want about that kid that went to Jacksonville went, uh, Jeremy Parnell, Parnell, And I know, I know, I know, I know, and he's still playing. I'm saying Parnell when when someone happened to free or something like, oh it's Parnell and then oh wow he's not playing bad. Oh

he's okay. Oh you know so. But you I just me personally, I want that feeling of okay, if something happens, yes, right there, that's my guy, and I'm not feeling that yet. And we're you're right, You're you're the you're the ultimate. Give it time. Give it time be patient. The other problem with that, it's so hard around the league to find to find tackles that there's not tackles available out

there either. I'll tell you say and you can say, okay, you know, I can tell you Chaz Green against Atlanta, you know, sometimes he was good, four times he wasn't yeh, and he ruined the gage rather glaring too. Yeah, but it wasn't every snapt Yeah, you great him sixty five plays that they play great and sixty of them. What happened the other five, Well, we had two sacks, two pressures, and our quarterbacks now on ir you know that that's

that's kind of where you don't. I'm just looking for I'm looking for somebody to step in there and say, Okay, I could do this job. Don't worry about me blocking today. And Caleb also asked about Jordan Lewis. He's working in the lot, he's challenging with Anthony Brown working second team. Brown's working for a game. Yeah, and I think both of them are playing pretty well. If to Nebbi's question, that might be a position battle right there as well. Yeah,

I mean, and that was what I looked at. And I'm kind of thinking, you know, and poor Jordan Lewis, I mean, he goes from being like, all of a sudden he has to play in that Denver game week two, to play in the whole year. He was the first of the young guys to get the opportunity, and he wasn't terrible. He was part of that the three starting corner and then rookies last year at the end of the year that went team went four and one, and then a new new secondary coach comes in. It's like, hmm,

I'd rather see Byron Jones play that spot. And now you're like, you don't see him getting as mini reps with the one second team. Yeah, a second team guy, which to Byron Jones credit though he's been outstanding. Now, maybe a guy with some value there if you're interested in doing something, you know, maybe if you're hey, if you're gonna move on from somebody, I know what you're saying. I think you get an injury and you'll go, why

did I do with you? But but he was he was asking, he was asking a question about value of a player. Oh, okay, Nickel corners are hard to come by in this league, trust me. And and so you're talking about value of a player. Which player you talking about? Brown? If something were to happen Anthew Brown. I got him on that one. And these are conversations that go on behind the scenes here. Yeah, if something were to happen to Cheeto, who plays left corner, Yeah, there you go.

I think it's I think it's it's a Brown, It's Anthony Brown, It's Brown, and then training him. Yeah, and then you got Lewis inside. So what there's nothing wrong? What happened? Like four? Give me six of those guys? Mickey's a keep all his chips kind of get yes, No, he just would move from Anthony Brown. He just said he no, I joke, kid, Well you go ahead. Thought of Bill. He give with it like like like the guy, you know, like the gift the guy. And then I'm

wanting w Yeah. Yeah, and then I'm one injury away from Duke Thomas Plan. Okay, so now here's the here's the next question. No, Lumba, I'm not Lumba by you know what his nickname is. They call him Sherman A Lumba the dreads thirty two Sherman, Yeah, because of because his dreads the way he looks, how long he is that was listen does listen to Jaileen Smith? And they asked him a question, Hey, who are you impressed out there? Give me somebody you're impressed with, and he goes Sherman. Sherman,

You're like, looking at the Sherman. I'm like, Sherman. He goes, you know the kid thirty two draads. He looks like he looks like Sherman. I'm like, I get it now, Yeah he does too, by the way, Richard Sherman. Yeah, so there's a guy to look for the preseason. See that's I'm saying though. Yeah, if you're asking me of the of a guy that can maybe sneak on the fifty three, not count the count the six right now, six six of them six four sixty four. Okay, well

two guys slot that's four. Yeah, I don't dude, this way go off this no, no, I gotta here right here, right here, off here. If you go for okay, you got a Woozier starting, you got Byron Jones starting right, that's two. You're starting slot is and you're starting slot will be now. But and you got and then Lewis and then that's four. Now you have to think about Okay,

is it gonna come down to five? It's Thomas Thomas. Yeah, it's one of those guys, and right now, I would I would, I would take a lumba over all those guys of the Duke Thomas's of the world and Marque and Marquez White. Yeah, so you got him? Is your fifth corner right right right now? Dude? Yeah? Yeah, very interesting? All right? So aside from we obviously think the ranks are thin and that defensive tackle we talked about that

other alarming, alarming pensive tackle. Yeah, that was my question. Sorry, what got the answers? The position, which is the position that you're most concerned about depth, Seeing they still haven't got Cavon Frasier on the floor. See, I would say safety and defensive tackle without cave On there, that's an issue too. We don't although I mean I've heard this before, but I heard the tests should be back today. I don't know that day. These guys must be on vacation.

They're down in Newport Beach or something. Grade the blood what are you doing? They did it in a case here in nineteen ninety four at one time. Yeah, you're very famous cases. So but you know, but even with him that that's what is that? That's four guys. Yeah, that's safety. Yeah is it three? See, it's four because if they use they're having to use cam Kelly and guys like that. Yeah, that's where that's where this is

kind of going. So I I they got huff, they got Kelly, they've been using him, they got Ye Robinson, they've been using they've been using Showers. Showers been out there. Hewers made a play off, So Showers right now would be behind if if if we assume Frasier makes it, Showers is fourth. I think Kem Kelly and those other guys, I think. I think huffs forth or huffs forth, huts forth a Showers, Yeah, okay, I think so. I you know, Jimie Showers, I love you, I really do. But I

just don't, you know, I don't see it. I just don't see it. He's out of practice squad eligibility. Yeah, he's gotta be or twelve years. A good story on cam Kelly working for Red Yeah that guy yeah, yeah, Branch the trucks truck. Yeah, well spoken kid too, Yeah from Wiley yep. San Diego State played corner for three years then safety at San Diego state. Yeah, they try to make corner here initially and it didn't work out

very well. Yeah, he is a safety. I just wish some of these kids, like you said, I mean, hey, Alumba, he's he's stepping up and making plays. I mean they throw him out there. Robinson has done some stuff and coverage that I've seen, you know, not great because why Marquez White, I just don't. I just don't see it with him. I just I know he's got the length and the range, and they talk about him. I just

seek I talk about a fifty fifty player. I see times where he's in position, other times where they've spun him around. I see Christier Schard over there. You know, you've got to turn, you gotta play with your eyes, you got. I mean, there's so many things he's trying to tell him, so many things at once, and it just he hasn't been able to put really everything all together. And I think that you know, is ultimately gonna get That should be our next list unknown young guys. Yeah,

that have a chance to make this next time. Young guys. There you go, Well, that was one of them. If they ever get posted. So we will see you tomorrow here on Talking on Cowboys is coming up next. This has been a production of dallasboys dot Com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. M hmm