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Talkin' Cowboys: Back Out West

Jan 07, 20191 hr 2 min
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The crew breaks down Dallas' wild-card win over Seattle and starts looking ahead to this Saturday's divisional-round road game in L.A. against the Rams.

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The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This He's Talking Cowboys, screening live from the Dallas Cowboys World Hours at the Star in Frisco. Here are Mickey Spagnola, Brian Brats, Rob Phillips, and Bill Jones. Salutations from Mickey Spagnola here on Talking Cowboys. It's another week of Dallas Cowboys football for the two thousand and eighteen season. First full week of two thousand nineteen, and it's always a good thing when your NFL season

extends into the new year. It's actually a Tuesday out here at the Star because it's another Saturday night game this week at the Los Angeles Rams. What a night it was on Saturday. And happy you could join us here on a Monday morning, a spring like Monday morning in the Metroplex. It feels like March madness outside with the humidity in sixty five degrees. Hello, Brian brought us. How are you doing well? Thanks? Bill? Good to be fighting for another week. Yes, how about you? Rob Phillips,

how are you doing great? Yesterday turned out to be a Monday at seven o'clock with a missfield goal by the Chicago Bears. All of a sudden, Hey, coach Garrett conference call, it's like a Monday. So here we go. It's like a Tuesday. Now here we are. Yes, the week is just motoring along in the season, motors along, Mickey, another week of talking Cowboys. That's right. A full week, full week. And wow, what a game on Saturday night, And what a defensive performance by the Cowboys against the

Seattle Seahawks run defense. The story of that game, no no question about it. You had a bunch of guys playing square up front, and that's what you have to do. You don't get these guys any gaps or creases to let him run the football. But I thought the tackle play was excellent. You know, we talked coming into the game. We kind of thought about that the Seahawks were having some problems with their with their interior, their offensive line, and you know they had Dj Fluker starting back after

the hamstring. Sweezy was a little nicked up himself, but that didn't matter. Those guys inside Woods and Malie Collins, Crawford, all those guys, and they got an opportunity to play against this bunch in the front and then stop the run. It was exceptional. Give the linebackers a lot of credit for filling the run fits and stuff. When you play good run defense, you got to play square and that's what they did a great job of doing last last

time out. You know, Chris Carson came into the game the NFC Offensive Player of the Month and he had rushed for more than five hundred yards over the month, thirteen for twenty. Yeah, thirteen for twenty and they were twenty four for seventy three, but they had a twenty eight yard on so that means it was twenty three for forty five. They leaked the one to Penny. Other

than that, they shut down their their running game. And I I and it's a it's a darn good thing because the opportunities they had in the passing game to hit big plays, uh, they hit. But if they had the running game going to the Cowboys likely would have been in trouble. They had nine yards in the first quarter. Seattle did nine And to Mickey's point, I thought they were Seattle was a little stubborn with the run game. To be honest, what do you think they're talking about

on talking Seahawks this morning? I should have been throwing the ball. Well, but that's what they do exactly that well, that's that's that's that's how they got here exactly. Yeah, you can't. I mean, I know what you're gonna say, and they and they use playoffs, play action off of it. Sure, sure, but they had some success hitting some pass plays deep at some point when you've got I think they had

three straight three announced to open the game. At point you get behind, and I know you don't want to panic, but I was surprised that they stayed conservative way. I know they run the ball away do but you do have a Hall of Fame caliber quarterback there, and in a way, I thought it did the Cowboys a favor. But you got to give them credit. They didn't get enough credit for stopping the run in the first game.

They did a nice job against Carson in the first game. Yeah, it was a big pass play locket that kind of opened things up, and they made some mistakes offensively. They

didn't make those mistakes this time. But it's like Carroll decided, especially after the rebuild job they were doing on their team coming into this season, that they needed to run the football, run the football, run the football, and the game never got away from him, and the Cowboys finally in the fourth quarter got up ten on them, and so they were It was playing out like he probably envisioned it, would you know, even though they weren't having

success running the ball, he wanted them to continue to be persistent with it. Well, if you think about it, that's you know, that game against the Cowboys when they kind of changed their philosophy we're gonna run the football. They ran it thirty nine times and only ran it for one hundred and eighteen yards, But they were persistent, and if you think about it, they only scored two

fewer points than they did the first time around. Now, the key thing was, and you know, they had six plays in the pass game for one hundred and ninety four yards. Six one hundred ninety four yards. They had two ninety nine in the game. That meant the other forty six plays went for one hundred and five. So they hit the big plays. They scored. But the difference was the Cowboys didn't give them anything like they did the first time around. The Cowboys didn't beat themselves like

they did the first time around. Zeke didn't catch a pass and go thirty yards for a touchdown, but step out of bounds before he caught the pass. This time around, he ran for one hundred and thirty seven. And I'll tell you what, he had his big boy jersey and pants on in that game. Yeah, you'll need him again this week. Absolutely. Yeah. It's the thing with it. You know, to beat the Seahawks, they did exactly what they had to do. You know, they make you s right, don't

beat yourself, and then you know, beat yourself. The Seahawks is giving them turnovers. You know, they were plus fifteen going into this game and then to only get one, I think is pretty remarkable. From the Cowboys perspective. You know, once again, this team is gonna this team, the Cowboys, to me, is going to continue to ride or die with their defense. That's you know, that's just what they are. And we were talking about the Seahawks and that's how

they got here by running the football. Well, the Cowboys really got here by playing great defense and that's what they've been able to do. And you know, to to limit the Seahawks the way they were, yeah, yeah, they give up some big pass plays, but you knew going into the game that that that's the possibility With Russell Wilson and these receivers. I mean, that fourth, the fourth and sixth play. You can't throw the ball any better than what heat threw it to get it to convert

that fourth down. That was just a beautiful pass. And yeah, there might have been holding on the play, you know, but these officials, Wald Anderson, his crew, they were not gonna let it. They were gonna let him play it out. And he just threw a beautifu ball and then's and that's what you gotta have. I mean, and they you know. But for the most part, I thought the Cowboys held him held up very very well defensively, and it allowed them to kind of gain some traction offensively in the

second half. No one thing Jason Garrett talked about too different from the first game is and multiple guys said this, guys and coaches, they were a little more aggressive in rushing Russell Wilson than that first game. You know, you focus so much on being disciplined and you know, keep him in the well and all that, but if you're not aggressive enough, that gives him opportunities to do what

he wants to do. So I thought they did a better job of just getting up field and getting after him and instead of worrying a little bit at Rod Marinelli said it during the week. If you slow down, then you get yourself in trouble. You gotta get after him. And they did a better job of it. The front seven was outstanding, and we're seeing this linebackers continue to float to the ball. The overall team speed on defense. It makes us a dangerous team going forward. We'll see

what happens Saturday. But they're dangerous. You know. One of the things that I noticed, and they can go back and count it up, but when they were like blitzing, yea, the linebackers, vander Esh was blitzing off the left side. So if if they pushed him in the middle, right, where does he go? He rolls to his right right and all of a sudden, oh here comes fifty five.

On that one third down play which he ended up throwing high on the outpass, vander Esh is right in his face uh and and so yeah, it was it was a good way to keep him uh in the pocket. They did a better job of that. But we talk about the defense. They did score twenty four points right right, correct me if I'm wrong, but that was the most anybody scored this weekend, right, Yeah, how about that? So

much for video game offense? Right, yeah, well you got some video game offense, yes, play in this coming week though, we'll see. There's I mean, there's a reason those uh, those video game offenses got first round buys. Yeah, yeah, in both conferences. But we saw both those offenses. You know, those poet totals dropped a little bit in December, you know, I mean, I'm sure, and so we'll see what happens.

But weren't any fifty four fifty one games in December, but you're right, Kansas City Saints Rams, they were all off Patriots too. We'll see what happens, yep um. All right, So, as yesterday played out, obviously the preference for the Cowboys would be for the Eagles to win that game because its the opportunity if things fall in place this week, the Cowboys win and an Eagles win, you can host

an NFC championship game. That's true, hope next week. But wow, wasn't it something the way that thing played out at the end. Well, and I'll tell you what though. To me, I don't know about you guys, and I think we all, I think everybody here picked Philadelphia to win. I think we did that. Yeah, we all said Philadelphia. I picked the Bears to be different. Okay, well, the thing is that the Bears are. The Bears are a year away

in my opinion, especially with that quarterback. Playoff experience matters, it really does. You look at what you know the really all all game long, Philadelphia was kind of struggle along. But what happened. They had to have a drive. Who did they have to go to? You know, they went They leaned on their quarterback. At the end, he made a play on a guy that they traded for, you know, much like that of the Cowboys. But what do they do? They drafted a kid, they threw the battle a tight end.

They got another tight end. That's tremendous. You know, those guys there's a reason why that. The you know, when you get in the playoffs, you have to lean on guys like that, and they were able to do that. You know, I mean, I just didn't feel like that the Bears could sustain enough, you know, they just I didn't feel like that they were gonna go and and

finish this thing off. Their defense was supposed to be the reason why, and their defense actually gave it up at the end, falls gets the ball with four minutes. You're kind of like, oh, yeah, they've they've been in this situation. He's been in the situation. Yeah. Well, and then they get it down to a fourth down play and help out with a minute left, and Doug Peterson's got three time outs left, right, Okay, they's got them back down facing fourth and goal at the two yard line.

If you don't make it, you're gonna get the football back if you hold him right, because you got the three timeouts in your hip pocket, right, And he used one and he uses one. Yeah, and I was shouting at the TV, go on, how can you game's over? He's putting everything on that fourth down play. Yeah, but he wanted to make sure he had the right playing Yes, but he you know, we've always you know, when you talk about coaching and stuff like that, there's game management questions.

He felt like the point in time he needed to win the game. I mean that's yeah, he's thinking I might not you know, even even if I get but he took any Yeah, he took any chance he had out of that. But yeah, I I I I'm okay, get the right play. Well, but get the right play. Yeah, no, I mean it did. But but but get the right play that I mean. I And it's funny because I was watching the game with my folks and I said, whatever his best two point play is, he needs to

run it, and then and then here's the question. Then and then who was doing the announcing Collinsworth goes whatever his best two point play and my dad looked at me like, you know, I'm like, yeah, that's what you gotta do. I mean, whatever your best two point play is, you gotta work right here. Why they getting a good two point yeah, I mean, why would you use your best two point play on on any one of the three previous plays? Yeah? Well you know what a game

credit though? They tried to run. They tried you know, the middle two. Yeah, you say, okay, let's try. I mean you're thinking all the game long that they're having to throw the football. I mean, justless the game of the radio was driving home and James Lofton's like, you gotta they can't run, you gotta throw, you gotta throw the ball. You just gotta keep throwing it. And you

know they did. They threw it. That's what's funny about it is Doug Peterson, you know, last year, gets all the credit for all the inventive plays and two point plays and stuff like that. And so the Bears are sitting there. They've stopped him three straight times and all they did had to do is stop him one more time on a two point conversion. Basically, it's what it came down to. Yeah, I guess they used up the Philly Special already, kind of out of ideas, I don't know,

but but I mean trying to run it. I mean, maybe that's you don't want to turn over in that situation. That's the last thing you want, so maybe that's what you try to do first. And then you know, the guy leaks out in the back of the end zone right at the end. Is a good playing. But having said that, don't let the playoff game come down to a kicker, just don't. Because they allowed him to come right down the field and in position for a makeable

field goal. Look like you got tipped von Hester? Yeah, that tip trayvon Hester is trending on Twitter this morning because finally people went back and looked at the tape and sure enough, you look like he tipped the ball? Did he get how I mean? How much did he get because it started right down the middle and then it enough enough to enough to make it go left. Yeah, but no, it did a close up view and I'm I'm I'm gonna go see I should have done that

this morning. I went in here and started looking at the rams already. But I'm gonna see if on that special teams if you could actually tell it. But it looks like from from the from the close up angles that were I saw this morning that that he got a hand on the ball so or partially got a hand on the ball or finger on the ball. That kind of changed the trajectory a little bit, which is weird because I guarantee you for twenty yards that thing

was good. All of a sudden, there it goes. And how many times he had to set a record this year? Five times for hitting? No, he didn't one four one game, six six times six time overall? Yeah he went he went doink four times this time, Yeah, four times against the Lions, one time against the Vikings last week, and then this one this week. Right, he gets too this time just booed off the field mercilessly. Did you see

the Bears mascots sideways? I didn't see he was behind the gold post ready to you know ed he just they should have put the bands on. Suicide wise, well, your whole season, twelve wins, young quarterback. You think he got momentum and it comes down to that, well touchdowns, well they did. They didn't get that too. A two point conversion they didn't get turned out to be really costly to only go up five instead of seven. Yeah. I was really the play of the game right there,

when you think about it, Yeah, it really was. The The thing about it though, two is that I believe if I read correctly that Parky was eleven of twelve and fourth quarter kicks he was. They flashed it down the script. Well, and before they iced him, that first kick looked perfect, right, It was good right down the middle. Yeah, it was good. That's because there was no pressure because he knew there was going to crop time out. Probably he said, okay, I'm just gonna take a warm up

shot here. Yeah. Well, at least didn't come down to your kicker having to make one. Yeah, that would have been the same reaction. You know, fans would have been on watch as well if you missed that one. But the dude sat in front of his locker and answered questions. Yeah, sure did give him credit. Sports hate going on right there. Yeah yeah, I hate to see that. Yeah, but it makes for an interesting week this weekend. How about the storylines that we are going to be talking about for

the next few days. Here, you're leading up to this Cowboys Rams matchup, starting with the running backs Zeke and Gurley. You got Wade Phillips, the defensive coordinator on the other side. Um, I mean there's there's and really you look at the history of the Cowboys in the Rams. I've seen a lot of playoff games my day. Yeah. Yeah. There was a stretch there of six seasons in the late seven mid to late seventies where the Cowboys are Rams every

game there. I was very five. Six years in the playoffs, Preston Pearson had one of the great games I've ever seen. It was played the call scene by a running back. I mean he cut three touchdown passes in that game. I think the Cowboys were underdogs in that one as well. It was Yeah, they It was a great history between these two franchises when it comes to when it comes to playoff games, and they've lost the last two to them, right, five was the last time the three playoffs which one

day they get shut out. One of them they got shut out. I think it was the most recent one. Twenty to nothing, Yeah, twenty to nothing again beat in eighty three two. Yeah. Yeah. The other storyline is too Wade Phillips, Wade Phillips. But you know, Jared Goff goes, would you go number one in twenty sixteen, Yes, yep, Zeke goes three picks later, and then you know Daki Scots worked out pretty well in the one hundred and thirty something picks later. Yeah, yeah, with a compensatory pick.

Yeah yeah. A lot a lot going on. I think I think a lot of the back and forth this week is going to be ken. The Cowboys defense play is what it needs to at the level to stop the Rams, and I think both. I think that you're gonna look at the Rams defense. We we're surely going to talk about you know, Aaron Donald quite a bit. Rams struck. Yeah, Rams struggled playing run defense though five over five yards to carry a little bit. Now, maybe that's a little bit about you know, being ahead, being

aheading games and stuff like that. But I'll tell you what though, the storyline will be about the Cowboys defense and the Rams offense. But again, don't sleep on the on the Cowboys offense. You know, as far as you know, they we're seeing some some better things. I mean with I'm sure Sue Sue Field will be back in there at left guard. But Connor Williams wasn't terrible in this game.

And the one sack they gave up was on a twist stunt that they tried to man where they'd passed some stunts earlier in the game, I mean passing passing guys off. They just got caught in a situation where you know, Clark just the they did it. They did a couple of twist stunts to that side, and they did it just find picking it up. It was just that once one time they had they had problems, but so so I saw that they manned the Scnor not supposed to come off and pick him up in the middle.

They manned it. And know how was Tyran was supposed to get over there in time. That's that's how they That's how the long way to go. Yeah, well, they they they usually what they'll do is they usually will bump the stunt and at that particular time, it might be something to do with protection. It might be a scheme,

uh thought that they have that. They just played the twist as a man twist and they and it's it's a tough way to block if you're gonna man stunts, and you know, you have to be able to to make that work. I mean you have to be able to cross behind the block and pick it up. But that was that was the only blemish that offensive line really had. When it came to pass protection. They did a pretty good job holding up against the group that's

that's got some pass rushers on it. It was that sort of a situation where the Seahawks had the right the right call for they ran. They ran the stunt earlier in the game and got blocked and then and then they came back to it and got a got a sack. So it's something that they obviously felt like that the Cowboys would man the would man the stunt and they got him for the one time. The other time they didn't, but that time they did so. But

I they tip of the cap to Connor Williams. There was a lot of concern about how well he could really play. We talked about how well he could fit though. In the running game, he was able to get up on the second level a couple of different times, you know, better than what probably we would see from Sue a philo and effect. If you look at the quarterback run

on third and fifteen, he threw a key block. He and Martin, Zack Martin threw key blocks to get to in their lucky They didn't get a block in the back down field on Blake Jarwin though, that was close. But other than that, I mean, I thought the guy played a really he's not a freshman anymore. He played well, played well. You talked about in the running game, trying to attack those edges against Seattle, I did. Zeke's two big runs were bounced outside, although the forty four yard

looked like a bust by Seattle. Yeah, they got caught. They got caught trying to pack things down inside though when it bounced though, their guys got were too far inside on the play. Yeah, but he did a nice job, Yeah he did. Yeah. But I mean going forward, looking at left guard, we talked when we talk about Sue Filo's power, it doesn't get more of a strength on power matchup than this one. I mean, Sue and Donald in the middle. Yeah, Donald's the Donald. The problem with

Donald is going to be the quickness and to do speed. Yeah, when that initial step, that's that's what gives everybody problems is the fact he's built so low to the ground that you really he doesn't give you much of a hitting space when you're talking about your hands. And then so when he wins on that first step, when that first step, you know, when he's able to dip a shoulder or or you know, or kind of just get underneath you, then he's that's where he's got the leverage

to play and just to keep moving. But yeah, he's it's it's it's it's not gonna be an easy matchup for the Cowboys at all. And that'll be an interesting decision there about Suafilo or Connor Williams. Yeah, because I think Williams. I only saw one other play when I went back and watched it, he kind of whiffed on. But other than that and and that one, it wasn't like he locked on to the guy he was blocking, said, oh I should have gone there. He stayed with the guy.

Oh no, he did his job. If you're gonna man the stunt, he blocked this guy very well. It. Tyren Smith was one now again that if you if you're gonna man stunts, you got to be able to cross if you're gon to do that. And Tyren just got caught, got caught too far to the outside and couldn't get back to the inside. And next you know, Clark was on the was on doc. Originally I thought Looney had fallen asleep. Yeah he was done. He was double team

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percent off your first order. No adjustment needed for the Talking Cowboys crew on Saturday night as the Cowboys went over the Seahawks and let's call roll. Yes, I was wearing mine, me too, and affirmative. All right, there you go. It worked again. But I had my road graze on, did you yes, Okay, three in a row now, ye, all right, so there you go. You got to do it again this week? Yes, I have in la. I'll have to wash before. We got a short week. You got plenty of time, mickey. And we did not take

a picture either. Yeah, that's that's that's not gonna good news for everybody out there. Keep although I thought about I thought about taking a picture Saturday afternoon and sending it to you, Mickey, just as a reminder, an alert, or at least just hold them up. Not when I was wearing them. Oh yeah, yeah, I was worried. Yeah, for everybody out there. All right, So where we go here? It is you want to take a phone call and you want to see what's going great, then test the

temperature out there. You think people are happy? I think we're not going to find any complaints. Do you think you ever be a lot of cowboy fans in the stands. I think I'm going to predict thirty Memorial Coliseum thirty thousand, thirty thousand Cowboys fans. Wow, so we're saying, yeah, what are they? Probably about one hundred thousand in it? Well, they kind of refigured the stadium. I don't know, because they put in some sweet then, right, so yeah, they

got to have at least seventy or seventy thousand eighty. Yeah, we need to look that up. Hmm. All those folks from Arizona, there'll be a caravan coming to Southern Ticket for San Diego. The tickets are really high. Yeah. After the Parky kick was the tickets went way up. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, way up. I can understand that with the Cowboys coming to town. Let's go to Ron in California. Maybe he can give us an idea of the excitement level out there. Hello,

we're on. Hey, how you guys doing good? Yeah, tickets are pretty high. I think the cheaper ticket you can find to sit high up it's about five dollars on how much? Yeah, last night I paid about four hundred fifty dollars for two tickets. Uh so yeah, just about over a thousand dollars when you include seas and uh on Saturday, it's supposed to be pretty rainy out here, so it won't be that that nice drun game time problem. Mum.

But my question was last year when we played the Rams, um, Sean McVay and Jared Goff and talking early really took advantage of Jevin Smith. Um, so what do you think the Cowboys would try to do this year? What did try to you know, use or to lewis the same way they use them during the Saints game, or whether they tried, you know, to you know, put Byron Jones on girly or something like that. And I'll take you answer,

I'll find Thank you, all right, thank you, Ron? And Um. Well, first and foremost, don't fumble a punt when you're ready to go up seventeen to nothing. You got a good memory there making oh he yeah, Ryan Switzer costs them the season. He did. Yeah, they were going to put that team away. They scored on their first what two drives? Yeah, yeah, playing the game, no doubt about it. Second half was a different story. Yep. In that game ye last year played at at and T Stadium. You know, one question

for them is Girly's health now it's the last two games. Yeah, Sean McVay said he thinks he'll probably be good to go practice tomorrow, but he's had some knee soreness and I think it goes back to college. Is that right something? Yeah, George, he's had to deal with a little bit about his career. But man, I've been watching the Philadelphia game. Oh my god,

he's a great player. I mean, there's so many things they do with him, and you know, you think about the great things they do with Zeke here, you know, but think about this, the way they throw the ball and stuff. I mean, they create things for Gurley to do in the passing game. I think this screen against

Philadelphia that's incredible. The way they ran it. It's like a delay where they have him blocking on the back side and they roll the pocket to the right and then they you know, they get everybody going right and then they just set it back up to the left. And McVeigh is a pretty creative guy as far as how he gets Gurly the ball. But he just naturally

this handing the ball. It seems like he's just gliding for five yards, just like you know, the Eagles looks like they're in good shape, and then bam, he's It's like a four or five yard game just instantly and then he you know, he gets tackling stuff. So I mean, if he if they've rested him the last three weeks, I expect you'll probably see the best version of Todd Gurley in this game. I have to play him the least, No, No,

but why play him? Like I said, I've just got started on the Eagles game, but it just seemed, man, it's just the way the way he runs the ball is so impressive. It really really is. He's clearly you want to and you don't even to tell you he's one of the best running backs in this league just because they the way too again they throw him the balls. That's impressive as well. And he scores touchdowns, yeah, a lot of them, seventeen rushing touchdowns I think maybe six

receiving touchdowns this year. The big differences between his production during the regular season and what Zeke had six rushing touchdowns on the year. Gurley the first team All Pro running back. Zeke was snubbed on that even though he was the rushing leader. How much do you think he was second team? Yeah, but he was snubbed as far as first team goes touchdowns. But how much do you think Zeke is motivated by any of that stuff. I

think Zeke's just motivated just to win the game. I don't I don't think he's worried about Gurley or in a a matter of fact, they switched. They exchanged jerseys the last time. I think there's a lot of respect between the two. I think motivation is the fact that that all week long we're gonna be talking about the rams ability with Girly to run the football. I think that's I think that's something that you know they have. It

really it's a dynamic offense. But I think that if there's motivation, it's like, you know, Okay, we can block two, we can run the football. You know, I'm I'm leading rusher in the in the league. I don't think that. I don't think Zeke will get overshadowed, but I think his motivation will be to just because just to try and go on to play well and to carry this team the best he can. Yeah, this defense is going

to have their bulletin board material too. It's going to remind you of the Saints week of Man, these guys, they put up thirty three points a game, how do you stop them? All that? So I think I think, especially this defense thrives with a chip on their shoulder, I really do, and that they're going to have no

shortage of it this week. There's no need for extra motivation once it comes to the playoffs, right, No, that's that, Yeah, I know, But I feel like these guys are constantly looking for some an extra edge, an extra edge, and it goes back to being three and five. You hear it some of the comments they'll make after games about everybody writing them off. You hear it constantly. They've used that as fuel all season long, and you know, of course the playoffs are big, but I think they've got

something to prove. I really do. You know. I think the best motivation that a coach can do would be to how much how much money do they make each week in the playoffs. So maybe the Cowboys I believe it was twenty nine thousand and four winning this the wild card, right right, And let's say it's a bumps up another ten. I think, let's say it's thirty thousand whatever. Yeah, put thirty thousand dollars in a jar. Yeah, and let them walk by that every single day. That's what you're

playing for this week, and that will be the motivation. People. People don't think about the fact that, hey, all the money you're making now, yeah, and the playoffs, your your salary is based on the regular season. All the money you're making and now is winning this game. That's how you that's how you make more money. I don't know. I've seen I've seen the guys lose that playoff check on one hand of cards in a boot ray game.

So yeah, I can get paid for losing. But but no, the thing about it is, yeah, you know, motivation to me will not not be a problem here. This This is one of those things where you look, you know, and again the narrative, the motivation will the motivation generally comes from us. But I mean us meaning the media, because we talk about and then and we'll talk about it, and the show's Good Morning Football all week long. You know they'll they'll hear it, they'll hear and get I

trust you, they'll trust me. There'll be some national writers here now when you get in the playoffs. Now, we'll start to see those now and then we'll see their stories and they'll be like, oh, this is gonna happen, this is gonna happen. They'll see people say, oh, they can't stop this, and they can't do that. I mean, the motivation is not a problem. The motivation will be to go play well and try and get this thing to the NFC championship game. That's that's the motivation. They

we're all ready here Saturday night. Yeah, the national right sure coming in. Yeah. And the other motivation is you're playing before the other game. So in your mind, if I win, I'm I'm hosting the NFC title game if the Eagles win. But the Eagles play after them, so they don't know that, right, They'll play Sunday, they plays play Sunday, they play Sunday. So when the Cowboys play, in their mind, if we win, we could host. We could. Yeah, there is the operative word, yeah could. Yeah. Well, at

that point you are because you are already won. Okay, yeah, follow my logic. Please we try. I just like watching watch that doesn't make sense. Made perfect sense to me, of course it did. Injury issues coming out of this game. There are a few injury issues. Yeah, well, Alan Hearns is well. Yeah, and uh fortun it sounds like he'll be able to make a comeback for next season. But just a horrific injury. Uh. And I didn't watch it. I mean I saw the play, but I didn't watch

the replay. When they showed it, I knew I could tell just by the reaction that it was bad, and so I refused to watch it. Yesterday. Yesterday I went back and watched it and I paused it. It was like, oh, I screamed, it was awful. Yeah, you could see from our press box seat what happened, and that's all I needed. I just know my ankle doesn't go at ninety turn yep. Yep. But you said full recovery. That's what Jason conference call up, right, Yeah, it was. It was described to me as and I

will see if I can get the explanation here. Very similar to the des ankle injury at Indianapolis a few years ago. Uh. But the only difference was Hearns has had to be re located and then he had an open wound. So surgery went very very well, very similar surgery though to what Dez had when they played when he got his ankle broken in Indianapolis. See, I thought there was because when they when they were getting him on the on the cart. Yeah, I saw all the

other guys picking up all these towels. Yeah, and I didn't see any blood. But well, doctor Cooper had gloves on. He took gloves on off after yea, after the after the heat, they loaded him onto the I wonder who did the surgery because doctor Cooper was there when he was at the game. Yeah, he was at the game, so he was already an undergoing surgery one game ended. Yeah. And the other thing about Alan Hearns Uh. And if you're on Dallas Cowboys dot com a lot, you've seen

interviews with him and stuff. He's just a great guy yea. And hats off to him this season. I mean, he's just a true pro. Even you know, after the trade was made for Amari Cooper, you know his snaps were going to be limited, and he's just a great team guy, and you just hate to hate to see it having anybody. But um, I've just always since he came over from Jacksonville this past year, I have been very impressed with him.

Well he could have. He could have complained and bitched and done all that stuff about you know, well, why they do this. I'm the number one guy, you know, I mean, but he didn't. He knew, he knew they needed to do something that that's just the guy realized. He's looking at the big picture of it and saying, yeah, we need to do something here. You know, I'm not getting the ball, and but for that matter, no one else is getting the ball, and then we need somebody

to kind of open some things up. And every time he's had to make a play, he's made a play. And every time he was ever asked to block at the point of attack, he blocked. So, yeah, hats off. Unfortunate, but you know, they're gonna have to find a way now to move on. And you know, obviously Lancelore was probably first and foremost in their mind. And you know, lance played some games on special teams. Did he do well enough? You know, we'll see, but you know, somebody's

got to stay up makes them play. And then you had Cole Beasley with what he's dealing with and Tavon Austin at the end of the game too. Yeah, so Cole said, you know, I just needed to calm down. It's the same foot. He had a foot deal most of this season that he's been dealing with a part of it. Now it's the ankle. I don't know. I mean, we'll kind of see how he can do as the week of practice goes on. I wonder what he can do Tuesday, But we'll see. But that you know, that

would be a loss. That'd be a big loss for sure, about that bundle of energy Tavon and we're asking for something. And I think the only reason he got to return punts is because Beasley got hurt. You know, Beasley is going to be your primary punt return in that game, and all of a sudden, you know, I thought they might they might use him just for what happened. I mean, because I think a lot of it, I need to

ask that question. But to me going into the game even occur to me, Yeah, because of the Beasley injury, I thought that they probably been they brought Beasley back, you know, they brought them back for to catch the one punt down in the end that but I didn't going over his head. Remember that that was after tavon his right second long right. But they but yeah, which I assumed did the right thing. He felt something that ball hit on the four yard line. He did the

right thing. I mean, he know, people saying I should have caught the ball at the four had been better, I know, you know, to me, no, I mean the way the angle, the guy made a hell of a play to knock it back into field of play to make the play. But yeah, I think and I need to ask. I will ask, I'll take I'll ask at the break. But I feel like though that that's that's why they they did what they did because it Beasley

got hurt. I didn't want to put him back. You know, well on Thursday, you know, he had been catching the punts. He's been team ever since he's been here. He's been backing it up. Yeah, but he started taking some with the punt return team right on Thursday, right, and he

went ahead of Beasley. So I just I just thought that if if vines healthy in a playoff game where he can make a return for a touchdown, which he did, if not for a block in the back or hold or whatever they called right whatever, right that you want to use that if if you have at all, if he's capable at all of doing it, I guarantee he wants to play in this game. If he's, like you said, if he's healthy enough, because he didn't think he got he doesn't feel like he got a Coatue. There you're

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wise as far as we know. As far as we know, I didn't hear anything anything Jason said yesterday. They'll monitor him this week, and maybe it has something to just coming back off the injury. You know, it's I don't know. I don't know if he was a one hundred percent when he came back. I just thought on that last return that you know, there was a reason that he kind of pulled up a little bit man, But he thought he I thought it was I thought it was hamstring again or I was like, he kind of like

jerked and I'm like, oh no, what did happened? You hit it out of bound? After that? Yeah, let me qualify that. As Brian always says, they're not gonna put a guy on the field if he's not healthy enough to play. It's something they're going to monitor him every shure right out of the game, like they've done with Sean, you know, with the hamstring, right, And the other part of that is is okay, yeah, he might be able to do some stuff, but you want to make sure

that he's not going to reinjure. No, yeah, aggravated worse? Sweet? Yeah, you need him? Well then yeah the next week and then in Atlanta you'll need him. Yeah. Yeah. With Bill being in there, there's right, you might be Bill never. I'm gonna have some company there. I can I can sense it, I can feel it. You feel the company? Yeah, yeah, all right. That was the third playoff win in twenty two years. You'll know how long it's been since the Cowboys won a road playoff game. Geez, it's gonna be

uh yeah, Miles Austin, hang on a second. Oh wow, I figured y'all would shoot this right out. They beat the Bears, They beat the Bears nineteen was it? Didn't they go to Chicago? Nope? More recent than that, well, not in the last the last, the last road playoff win for the Cowboys. We've got a lot of listeners shouting at their devices right now. It wasn't the Chicago game. Yeah, that was a road win, but they had one since then,

in like thee at San Francisco. At San Francisco January seventeenth, nineteen ninety three, one of my favorite games ever, the NFC Championship. I was at the game. What about I was there too. I was at the game. I kind of not remember that one, thinking that that was Alvin Harper game, right, Harper? Jeez? I was there with John Dorsey. Yeah, that's why I got kicked out of the press of the UH. I told that story. I remember, I told that I was there thinking about that. Yeah, okay, that

game was playing at Candlestick. I was there. I was at the East West game. That's why I went. Okay. Yeah, the people people on on periscope, we're all Columbus idiots. We'll calling me adiat right now, twenty nearly twenty six years ago. Yeah. And of course the Cowboys were so good during that time during the nineties that most all of their playoff games were home game. Now they lost at San Francisco of course Switzer's first year, right, Um, But were they a major underdog in that game? Yes.

Everybody kept saying they're too young, they're too young. Like I was saying about the Bears. That's what I was saying about the Bears. Yeah, well it's it's you know, playoff experience. What a great game that was. Oh yeah, I was out there all week covering it about going to dwy somewhat remember strong Yeah. Uh. And there was actually an earthquake. Uh that was you know, the Cowboys came in two days early. Okay, so they had to walk through at the stadium on Saturday. But on the

Friday night before there was it was a mild earthquake. Whatever, you know, something you live with out there exactly right. There was nothing to dive. It was everything to be. That was it. It was that year because I remember being in the hospitality room in San Francisco for a game and there was a that was that year? Was it? Yeah? But we wouldn't have been there that soon, would we? The team came in two days early for conference championship game.

You come in two days Oh that's right, because they had the NFC. Uh. Yeah, they had the press and the party Friday night. Yeah, I remember that. I was We were way up in the hospitality room at top of the it was the uh, the downtown Marriott, and it was like, oh yeah, I felt that. Yeah, that's right, sort of like that time at up and in thousand I mean at in Oxnard. Yeah. The other thing when

you look at storylines Cowboys and Rams. Of course, Thousand Oaks was the former home summer home of the Cowboys for decades and now the Rams, their semi permanent facility, regular season facility is there in Thousand Oaks. And I've paid a visit there when we were in Oxnard, did a little you know, going down memory Lane and just take a look. I know, Mickey, you've been there to check it out. But it and I tweeted this out CBS eleven Bill Jones, the where the headquarters, the Rams

headquarters are. It is unbelievable how primitive it it looks back there. It's just a gray fence with some gray buildings like looked like army barracks that have been set up there, and they got a practice field that you can't see from you know, down the hill or anything. It's it's very very private and it's way back in the hills there. But to think of the facility we're in here at the Star and the Rams are in this thing, which a very nice place in thousand Oaks.

But and of course they're awaiting there. It's a temporary. It's temporary when while they await their new stadium being built and all that stuff. You know, when when Nate and I went there to do the Legend show, we walked into the old cafeteria where they where the cowboys used the players used to eat, and we were standing there walking through and some lady comes up and she goes, I don't know what you guys are doing here, but you know the cowboys used to train here, and I

used to feed him in this cafeteria. She was still working o This was like three two three years ago, same late. It's like, I said, well, you probably fed this guy. She goes, what do you mean, It's like he played for them, Oh, and she got all excited. All right, Saturday night. Other things that stuck out for you on Saturday Night, obviously, Dak was huge with a third and fourteen play and just coming through in the clutch. Um.

I mean, that's what Dak. Dak has become. Uh, you know, he's not the purest passer, no at all, but when it came I mean you look at his college career and now his NFL career. He's a winner. Yeah, that's I think that's the best thing you could ever say about a player, is the guy's a winner, because there's all these players are different. You know, they're they're gonna find different ways to win, you know, and I think you have to accept Dak for who he is. You know,

he's he plays with a huge heart. You know, there's some throws that you know that he's gonna miss, there's some reads he's gonna miss, but when the game was

on the line, he finds ways to make plays. I think that's the best thing you could ever say about a quarterback, that that they have the ability when you know, when their team needs him the most, that they're there and they've you know this, it's not it has not been easy for him all year, but you know, you look now they're in the divisional championship game with you know, with after starting the way they did, and a lot

of it is because of him, you know, absolutely. I think you talk about being a winner and a competitor. Something that embodies that was the touchdown pass to Michael Gallup, the back shoulder fade in the red zone and he misses him badly. One player, Yeah, and he comes right back, all right, I'm gonna make the throw this time, and that's that just kind of speaks to how he is, how he goes about it, and how he competes. You know. The other thing that stood out too, I don't think

we've mentioned Amari Cooper. They really got him going in this game, one hundred and six yards. That thirty four yard catch really set them up and got them going offensively in the second half. So that's encouraging going forward as well, for sure. You know the guys, I guess Jason went on early today I'm a fan, and they were shocked when he told him that play to the dak ran On was a called play. Oh, I thought,

I got definitely what were you watching? Yeah, because as soon as he hit his back foot, he took off and the offensive linemen are already downfield. So yeah, they called it and probably figured, okay, let's see what we can get and maybe have to kick a field goal and make it an easier field goal. How about the play before that? It was second in fourteen at the seventeen yard line and the Seahawks were down to one time out left and then you had the two minute

warning too. And I'm sitting there going, okay, you had the penalty that pushed you back and made it the second in fourteen at the seventeen yard line, and they threw a pass, and I was like, run the ball. In fact, I rode down, Why throw the ball? Three stars next to it? Right? Well, maybe that's why they ran, Yeah, but that's what and that's and so maybe maybe they were setting up the quarterback draw by throwing a pass.

I don't know. I mean, I mean, yeah, you throw a pass in one second in fourteen, But in that situation, I thought, you don't want to throw an incompletion. You don't want to give him a time out right right? You know what? Has it turned out they got the time out because they got reviewed. Yeah, otherwise the clock would have still been running out. But mark, but anyway, and so then it made the quarterback I thought. I thought it was definitely a quarterback draw when they ran it, right,

And it was a great play call. It was, I mean a great job of him running through I mean he ran through you know the linebat, I mean he ran through some guys to make that first down there was that wasn't gonna be you know, he ran through Bobby Wagner basically, and Wagner and McDougald both are really good tacklers, and he ran through both of them to get the necessary yards. But the incomplete pass on second and fourteen put it in the minds of the defense, right,

they're throwing the ball. Yeah, absolutely, they're throwing the ball here. Absolutely. Yeah. I just I you know, I thought my one of my favorite players of the game was just the straight quarterback power run that he had. It looked like Army football in nineteen forty four where he just took the ball all it snapped it to him and then I mean, they got guys on the outside. I'll tell you what.

And I wrote about this, Ezekieliott had one of the best blocks I've ever I mean I said this, I said it, give him a Buckeye helmet sticker because he chopped kJ Wright down. And you know, I mean, that's what you gotta have. I mean, here's your running back. You know who's you know, you're really your heart and your soul, your team. What's he doing. I mean, you watch that tape and you're thinking, my god, he's going out there chopping guys down, trying to throw a block

for his quarterback and it was a textbook block. But that was one of my favorite plays of the game because it just kind of showed, you know, that's what the Cowboys are about. It's about, you know, running the football is about powering people. It's about knocking people on the ground if you can. And I thought they did a great job on that play, and you know, Dak got it as close he couldn't in two plays later,

Zeke scores and Zeke stumbled on the next play. Yeah, so they stopped him, but they went a hit and they gave it to him and gave it to him again. Nothing wrong with that, yep. Absolutely. And the other thing they do is they wear people down in the second half in the flip quarter, you know, eleven plays, sixty three yard drive, I think they wore him down. They

they got tired. So yeah, did that third and fourteen play, you know you got to line up once again and stop him, and Dak, you know, sacrifices his body once again and make a play, which again gets back to why the Seahawks were running the ball. They thought eventually they would wear down the Cowboys run defense, and it didn't happen. Never did but the Mickey said earlier the game was close, They're gonna keep doing what they're doing as long as the game's close, you know. Think Actually

that was me who said that, was it you? Okay, I'm sorry one of you two on that side of the table. Mickey said that wanted the buckeye on my helmet. Yeah, but no, that's that's you know, that's the Cowboys a lot of credit that had a great getting a great game plan and they execute the plan. Well, I mean, it's unfortunate and we need to find out. Micky, did you ask anybody what happened on the long pass at the end of the game. No, I didn't get a

they were They played the coverage before. It was almost like Jeff Heath what they called they play up with a robber with the safety playing in the middle where they take away the inside, the inside stuff. They ran the coverage earlier in the game and didn't have the big play. But I don't know if it was Byron Jones that he was expecting that Heath was going to help him with the robber. With the robber there, but I need to ask, and I think we will. We'll

figure that out. And I've just never seen him beaten that bad. Well, it's like sleep he was. He was turned inside, he was cocked inside like he was gonna it was funnel into the middle, and then way the way the route broke. I'm thinking, okay, is it Heath. But Heath was so focused on the middle of the field, and then when the route came to the outside, it's like that Byron was like, whoa wait a minute, where's my robber? And my robber went there, and there was

there was some communication there right there. There was some communication issues. And there's a side of me that believes it probably because I saw the defense played correctly the first time. But it seems like to me that probably was a Byron Jones issue that maybe he should have carried him a little further up the field than he did, especially in that situation. Seeing the other one I didn't

think they executed right. Was the uh so the drive the seattle finally got going through to the tight end, and the next one was at locket or Baald went out of the slot and he went all the way across the field and cut the ball on the on the sideline. Yeah, no one covered him. He was lock it, lock it yeah, you got a free relief. I think the linebacker was supposed to hit him. Yeah, they were. They had two guys and they turned the safe around. Yeah it was Xavier Woods was carrying him. At Xavier

Woods saw it and turned and tried to run. But at that time you got Locket. When Lockett's that close to you, he's by you. You know, that's just the way he plays. But I mean, no one covered him. I think overall though, for the secondary, the way they play, I thought the secondary was it was good. I thought the secondary did what they had to do. But that that one big play at the end of the game.

But you just don't want that to happen. I mean, that's the only that was the only play that that's the only thing that could have happened, that it could have turned the game. You know, we we haven't really talked about the fact that they lost their field goal kicker, you know, Yeah, I mean that that there's some people that believe though that if you're one of those numbers guys, if you're a numbers guy, you believe it's probably a good thing that the loser kicker, because they kept going

for two. They would have never they would have never been that, or they could have punted it, or in that final situation they got down to you know, when they got down the end and said scorning, they could have kicked the field goal then then tried the on site kick because they needed the ten points. That's the thing. Yeah, it makes it more aggressive. But what if you need a forty five yard or to take no doubt at

the end of the game, you need your kicker. Well, don't have a forty five year old kicker who's fifty pounds overweight. Yeah, he's been making a lot of field goals being overweight. Ye, yes, but that that's that's a big hamstring he pulled by. I just to me, I didn't quite I didn't quite understand. I didn't quite understand, you know, not just putting the ball on the ground and trying to squib it, you know, And there's you

can do. You can do goofy things. Yeah, like you could lay the ball flat on the ground and hammer it into somebody. Why could I mean, Danikowski's got a hamstring. Yeah, but we said that what does it take to well if he's but if out of the game the second half, he can't come back in right, they ruled they ruled him out in the press box, Yeah they did. Yeah, but I don't think that matters, you sure, I mean it's not like you put him on a list or anymore.

What happens when they really a doubtful See, you're not out of the game questionable. Yeah, I don't want the point of having designations. I think I think they're just being informative, is what you're doing. Okay, we were talking about that on the sideline. Weren't sure, but yeah, I mean, I'm sure he doesn't like punter doesn't practice the on sides when they do that drill. But I mean, you're not giving yourself a chance to try to do well. He was trying to pooch it over the front line.

He just kicked it too hard. He hit it with his shin, which was weird. It kind of got it, kind of gave it a little elevation to it, is what And that that was the easiest. I mean, I don't know how you couldn't just put it on a t yeah, because they just drop. Yeah, I've seen now, I've seen Chris Jones practice on side kicks and training camp. I've seen him, you know, I mean I've seen guys practice stuff like that. I know Jeff Heath was the kicker in that San Francisco game, but I've seen guys

like Chris Jones. Seriously, what are the kickers doing all day? Okay, might as well do its work on something. They usually just around anyway, Just like just like you prepare a backup guard that he may have to go into the game, and you got to have a backup kicker, so get the putter ready, just like your center practice a half court shots. That's right, all right, we're out of time. No,

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