Talkin' Cowboys: All Saints Day

We are a little over forty eight hours. I haven't done the math on it away from Cowboys versus Saints on Thursday night at at and T Stadium and puzzle looks from Mickey Spagnola and Brian brought us. They're doing the mathven twenty kickoff on Thursday night, as we talked to you at nine thirty four on a Tuesday morning, which is actually a Friday morning by the Cowboys work week, because of course this is a second straight Thursday game, and then they get the mini buye on the weekend,

and then the Philadelphia Eagles come to town. We're in the middle of a three game homestand for your Dallas Cowboys, Yeah, how about that? Better take advantage of every single one of them counts too. They do everyone everyone the rest of the way. And according to Jerry, Oh, they're almost win now every place. Brian, I subscribe to your theory. Now, that's right. They're desperate. Please come my direction, guys, It's come my direction. They're desperate. Yeah, and Jerry one, thank

you Mickey for Sandward, I'm desperate. Mickey hates the desperate theory. Although Jerry on the radio this morning on the fan Local League, how was it phrased? It was about being a desperate team. They were more sprit when they were what was the record three and five? Yeah, than they are now. But they need to keep that desperation right now because it seemed to work the last three weeks.

You know. The other interesting thing, and I think he's right about this because everybody kind of misconstrued what he was trying to say on Friday and again this morning when he was comparing some things to the super Bowl, right, and it's like, no, he's not saying this is the Cowboys super Bowl because if you win, then what do you gotta gotta? You gotta play again next week. He's going to question the super Bowl thing, right, You gotta

play against it. What he was trying to say is the importance of every play in the game is like a Super Bowl. You have to treat it like a super Bowl. Play. Yes, it's like whateverything about this. When you watch baseball for one hundred and sixty two games, you kind of casually watch, you fall asleep, whatever. When you get to the playoffs, every pitch is important. You're locked in. Oh he threw a curveball. Oh why did he throw over that plate? The ball should have been

in the dirt because he had two strikes on the guy. Right, you go through that, And that's what he was trying to point out about this game, that every play, every pass, every fumble is takes on the importance of a super Bowl because you're playing a team that just won ten straight games. Okay, so you're buying that what every play

is important? Yeah? Yeah, I think so. I think we'll be locked in on this game right from But what if they go out and just flop well next week, I know, but does that mean every play the following week is Yeah. Absolutely. It's like the old Duane Thomas quote. If this is the ultimate game, then why do they play it again? Next year. Yeah, and you can't have the ultimate game in game twelve, that's right, see, but you can treat each play like it's the ultimate play.

Last Friday, though, Jerry was talking about the importance of what we can prove to ourselves about playing well in this game. Sure this part if this guy, this team's coming in and they've got all the accolades and and we're playing well, it's kind of a statement game for us. You know, change if you get blown out, But what

happens if you lose? Yeah, it doesn't change. It can't change because what I'm trying to say, I got Washington and Philly playing each other though, hello kid Garrison going, hey guys, they're gonna gain a game, and one of those have to lose, right, Yeah, they don't have to. They could tie. Philadelphia's a good point. Philadelphia's got the Rams. And also the Houston Texans left too. From the mistaken who seem to be marching on. They are marching on.

I thought they were going to be in trouble last night and then they just boy, they put their foot on the pedal. I don't know, I mean straight ninety seven yards? Is that what it was? Touchdown? No, no, no, no, no. I I hear what I say. I'm from the I'm from the theory of all win, and I understand what Mickey's saying. But you know, I mean also, I'm trying to figure out, though, if they lose this game, what

does that mean? That means you're six and six and you got four games to go, and in all likelihood, Philadelphia beats Washington on Monday night and everybody six and six with four games to go. Yeah, and the object is to get in the playoffs, right, I agree to that, And the easiest way to get into the playoffs is how win the division. There you go, that is, but Mickey will tell you got wild card hopes too. You do well? You do? You get a home playoff game

if you win the division. Yeah, that's what I was kind of thinking about it, right, take care of that, take care of that division. And how many wins does it will it take to win that division? Maybe nine? You're with nine, so that would be three, three and two down the stretch, I was gonna say ten. I think I'm one. I think I think you gotta win ten myself. Hmm, I'll go you're gonna say, Washington or Philly wins three of the next five. See, I can't

figure out playing each other a couple of times twice. Right, there's two losses in there. I can't Summer nine might do it. And you figure out Philadelphia because okay, wow, they beat Washington, right Giants? Excuse anybody giving them a ton of credit for that? I mean, no, okay, hear what I'm saying. But but they're they improved. They want a game, and it's like, you're gonna have to beat that same Giants team. If you read if you read stuff,

everybody's like, Okay, everything's great. Now you know, they figured out who their running back is and they're overcoming their injuries, when the week before it was like, well what happened last year? They overcame all these injuries, and now this year they can't over overcome their injuries that they lose the formula. Okay, they are Philadelphias. Okay, here's what Philadelphia. Philadelphia's five and six. Yeah, they play at home against Washington.

We're gonna give him a w for that six and six? Okay at Dallas hmm, okay, we won't. We won't. All right, I'm gonna get through this week at the Rams. All that puts him at six and eight, Houston six and nine. So you're saying, at Washington six it won't matter. Okay, So look, but if you do, now, if you do, okay, if you do, Washington's sketch. Okay, but but but okay,

just a review in a nutshell. Philadelphia has got two games where you're right, okay, two games against the Redskins, and then they play and they play at Dallas at the Rams and home against Houston. Okay, which would probably be a game that will matter to Houston second to last game of the year because Indianapolis has been playing well and you've got to play Indianapolis too, right, all right,

now over there easier to Washington is anything. Do we know that Washington plays two games against the Eagles, Okay, Sandwiched around this schedule, Giants win at Jacksonville, win frauds at Tennessee when maybe, okay, maybe Tennessee. Come on, really, Cult McCoy, that's the most embarrassing loss you've had this year. They lost their quarterback and an offensive line. They can't the following week they beat the Patriots, did they not? Yeah?

But everybody who's everybody who's left the Patriot organization. It's gone somewhere. Detroit's beat the Patriots, and so has Tennessee. But let's say Washington and Philadelphia split their two games, Okay, okay, so each have a win. Washington has games against the Giants and at Jacksonville. That gets them to three wins, regardless of what they do against Tennessee. Right, So that's nine right for them? That would be nine for them,

and if they beat Tennessee, it would be ten. Okay, based on just pure projections, I'm gonna say I'm gonna go with nine, okay, right, Yeah, we need to review the Cowboys schedule. They have to play Jacksonville, which, yes, they're playing at jackson and they're firing everybody, right, right. They benched Blake Bortles, That's what I'm saying, changed the offensive coordinator, right, they did that. But I McCall its

son right, yeah, Hacket, Yeah, which unfortunate. Only in the morning news this morning, the first paragraph said they they fired their offensive quarter in Hackett. And then the second quarter is and not only are they changing quarterbacks, they got rid of their offensive former Cowboys offensive court. Hacket. No, No, they said that it was paragraph, It's like, oops, thanks seeing That's why I tell you got to have good

editors like you. Thanks Mick, right and then and then just to review the cowboys remaining schedule, New Orleans on Thursday, and then home against Philadelphia at an Indianapolis team that research on five in a row, going on six in a row because the team they played Jacksonville on Monday or Sunday, and then Tampa Bay and the Giants. I'm not look, I'm not saying they're just gonna back into this thing, but let's we gotta see what Washington is

without Alex Smith. They didn't win the first game without them. They've got injuries all over the roster offensive line, Yeah for sure. I mean what are they We don't know at this point with without their quarterbacks. So Philly, Philly could could catch on, who knows, But like Brian said, that's some tough games ahead. Hey, I rode off. See I rode off the Eagles when I came in from putting Christmas lights out on a Sunday after dude, I

saw they were trading the Giants nineteen to three. Yeah, then I got finished with the next row of Christmas lights. I came back get in. They had one, so they were back at it. That's this league. I might have to hire you to put mine up. No, no, I don't I put them out. I don't put them up. They go on the sidewalk. I don't get on a roof. That all being said, this is a must win, mister brought us really, yeah, I mean you got to go into this thinking if we chose it over if they lose, Yeah, no,

it's not over. But you gotta have that. You gotta have that. You can't you can't list the games. That's the thing. You can't. Can't lose any games. So you've got just win. So are we saying you've got little chance against the Saints unless you go in with that mindset that this is a critical game that you may or may not must win. I think no. I just think they've they've they've had a certain mentality the last few weeks. He disagrees with it, but I think they've

had a certain mentality and it's worked for him. I really do. I think they've they've kind of had that urgency there. And and what Jerry is saying, you got to be on point every play against the team, like the Saints, no question about it, because they can burn you on any given play. Sure, they can embarrass you. This is a team that will try and embarrass you

if they can't. And that heightens your senses too. Just knowing how good a team is that you're facing doesn't mean you don't think you can beat them, but you know your antennas are up just a little bit, a little bit more. There's no slack. You can't relax, you know, you take the mentality they did in what was it two thousand and nine when they went out there and beat them twenty four seventeen seventeen. Yeah, you know Marcus ware game. You wish you had de Marcus Ware rushing

that would get to Marcus Lawrence. You might have Taco rushing now, yeah, give us that mistake. Last week, though, what Taco playing Taco? He's getting closer. He was closer last week. You gonna tell me he's gonna play this week? What do you He was full on Monday. That's a good sign. And by the way, why don't we have injury reports earlier in the week on these Thursday weeks. I don't want to understand why they skipped Sunday. Yeah, they didn't have to do one. So yeah, that's what

I'm saying. Why doesn't the league make them do one on a sudden one because the games? I don't think the league office is open Sunday, so that's another subsidering. I think that's considering they play games on Sunday. Yeah, no, you're right. No, that's why they know the train schedule to Connecticut, though I promise you that they don't have

it processed. Well, they had a game on Monday, yes, So anyway, I think the key things, I mean, we knew Austin when ready, Irving wasn't ready, Sean Lee, um, who else? Uh Swain, Jeff Swain with those guys weren't going to play. So the key thing is Taco looks like Swain. Yeah, sorry, she should be Swain, Um should be Zach Martin Mom limited as they listened are And I sorry about that, folks. Yeah, I really like them. They're really nice people, very nice. Us. Swain was at

least limited, so he was out there. Uh, Sue a Philo limited, so at least he was out there. Connor Williams full so he's out there. Tyrann Smith was not out there. We're worried about that one. Guys, I am now Jerry indicated probably looking at game time again like last week. But I didn't like it when he said like last week because he was Yeah, last week he wasn't good. Yeah, we'll see, so see. But again, you know they'll they'll probably you have him listed as DNP.

I don't know, maybe today he does a little something, then he'll be questionable for the game. And you know, those guys get all excited on the radio that we don't get the accurate injury stuff, and it's like he's not obligated to tell the Saints anything, let alone you. That's all he's obligated to do right there, right on that sheet of paper. And so will we get one tomorrow for the walk through as well? And it's a Thursday game, we'll get the final. We usually get the

final because it says Monday, Tuesday Wednesday game status. Okay, so we get extra one. We got one last week on Wednesday Wednesday. Yeah, all right, and the Saints the only person they had not practice was Tehran Armstead tackle. Yeah, he's got a peck. Everybody else was they listed was limited. Yeah. Bush Rod started against Atlanta in that game and that offensive line strength of that team, without without question, without question, this is one of the better offensive lines that the

Cowboys will face this year. And is it the best one they faced? You think yes so far? Yes, okay, yes it will be and and it and really if you look at it, you know, Ryan Ramcheck against a Marcus Lawrence will be a very good matchup. Ramcheck alin his second year out of Wisconsin. Wisconsin's done a great job putting Lynman in this league. But Ramcheck is I mean, he's a big, strong, athletic guy and he can he

can match up with Lawrence. This will be, uh, this will be interesting to see how the plan of attack that Lawrence takes against him, you know, because usually Lawrence can out athlete and outpower guys. This guy's kind of a combination of both. And then he's got this Larry Wolford next to him, and and that you know, to me, that's a big, strong guy too. So that right side of that Saint's offensive line has got some power to it.

And you know, and some of the good combinations they've been able to work is when they've been able to get Crawford inside and some of those Nickel rushes and then have him penetrate and then have Lawrence play on the move. So the Saints are able to match up Max Unger. Their center's pretty good. We need to see about, like I say, the left tackle spot, so bush Rod would be the guy that you know, he would be the weakest of you know, Andrew's Pete as their guard too.

There's another They've got some really big inside guys and that that's kind of the same plan that the Cowboys had played throughout their you know time here is get the big inside guys. They have to keep the front of the pocket cleaned for Drew Brees because he can't see. He can't see over the line, so he has to move and they have to keep the front so he

could step up and make throws. That's that's the key, and that's why a reference irving at the end of the show yesterday knowing obviously he's not back to practice, but a guy like that is. It could be a huge havoc. Yeah if you win, if you win, Yeah, you win, and you get inside on on breeze. That's that's what you have to do. But it'll be tough. Like I say, these these guys are really a very good offensive line. So you just do Si dough and put him on the other side. Who's that, Lawrence? Yeah,

put him on the right side. They've done it before. They have done that before. Let's see if they do that. If you're banging your head against the wall on the left side, go right side. How do you guys want to play against Alvin Kamara? How do you want to handle him? I'm just asking no plan. If you're interesting. You know that ice skating thing that happened, the ice skating thing. Oh, Nancy Kerrigan entering the stadium, that's the best way to handle him. They love your plan, by

the way, I mean, think about it. That's an outstanding plan. Is one of the Harding reference on this show. Yeah, we just did. If you don't know what Micky's talking about, look up Tanya Harding. Yeah, and your fancy karag. In nineteen ninety four, I was in Detroit. Four years ago. I was in Detroit and that's where the championships were being held. I was in my hotel room. We're geting ready to play the Lions, and that came on the news. It was really that whole thing. Yeah, the championships were

in Detroit the Skating Championships. That it happened at that time, and I was happened to be in the same city. I had no idea what we were going to talk about. Did you find that he's on it? He is on it? He is on it? How do you handle? I mean, he's impossible. You know what we need to do. We're going to come back and Brian brought Us is going

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I don't know what. No, because they're ugly lights. They're the dark blue ones, right, yeah, and they're just not good. We have a family on our on our block that they would put up those blue lights, and for some reason to me, they were kind of depressing. Let me ask you this, but I may you think of a funeral home rue and white. No, they're just utterly blue. No, no, no, they're no white. There's no white. There might be a Jewish family putting up lights. Okay, okay, get back back,

everything says. My point is I was like that for the boy. Yeah. My point is they're great out here. I love the blue. I love the blue Christmas. Yeah, and it's not doesn't make for a blue Christmas. Sometimes families and blue lights and well, I should tell you in my neighborhood that wasn't experience. And so you wanted me to walk into that. I just wanted to see

where you're going to go with okay, host tomorrow. If we had twenty two houses on our on our block, oh, here we go, twenty of them, people will either polish or ITALI. There you go, there you go? All right? All right, yeah, yeah, tell us how you'd handle Alvin Kamara. Alvin and the Chipmunks Mickey will tell you he's their second leading receiver, is what he'll tell you all about

Alvin Kamara. And when you watch Alvin Kamara play, you know you, I think as great as he is as a runner, is he's just as great as a pass catcher. It's very obvious by the numbers. It's very obvious by the way the Saints use him. I think you have to treat Alvin Kamara differently. I think this is like when you start talking about how do you play guys like Zach Ernst, those guys the tight ends, we talk about, oh, safeties and this, that you treat like a wide receiver.

I think the Cowboys have to treat Alvin Kamara like a wide receiver. And I'll tell you how they treat him like a wide receiver. We haven't seen very much of them playing dime package stuff. We haven't. I mean it's been primarily, you know, a lot of single high stuff, a lot of man underneath, but it's been a lot of of Anthony Brown. I think this is a game where you take that, maybe take the extra rusher off the field, or take the linebacker off the field. We

talked about three man line. Mickey's right about that. I think you have to play that way. I think you have to treat Alvin Kamaro like a wide receiver. I would not be one bit surprised. And then if it was me just looking at it, I would say I would put Jordan Lewis on Alvin Kamara. I would have him cover him out of the backfield. If they put him in the slot, you got a match up there. If they put him wide, you got a match up there. But I'm not saying you could probably do it every

single down. I think you're gonna have to find a way to get linebackers involved in stuff. But if it comes down to crucial down in distant situations, I'm treating Alvin Kamara like he's like he's their second best wide receiver behind Thomas. Concerning they've got all these other guys. They throw touchdown passes to treat him like a wide receiver, cover him like a wide receiver, use your dime player to cover him. Well, I think that's a plan because

they do treat him like a wide receiver. He's not just a bailout. Let's throw the screen to him, right, you know, beat the blitz kept guy. I mean he is. He is their offense in a lot of ways. Uh and Michael Thomas as well. But that's that's interesting. I mean, have you seen other teams do that? No, not really. I just to me, I think it's I think it's one of those plans where I'm gonna try something unconventional

and hope that it works. You know, I'm gonna be Fritz Schermer back in the day and play big Nickel, and you know I'm gonna do things. I'm not going to give him the same look over and over again. I'm sure you know Kamar sees his shares of safeties and linebackers and he just eats them alive. I just think you have to They use him so many different ways in the passing game, and I think you have to treat him like he's He's a big weapon for them.

And if you take your best cover guys and put him on there, on his ability to stop him from catching the football, I think that's the you know, I would rather die that death than die the death of trying to cover him. Play him in a way where he's gonna have eight catches for eighty yards and two of them are touchdowns. I just I don't think I can play that way. Plus, if you zone him, you get him in space. Good night. Trying to tackle him good night if he catches the ball. And Jordan Lewis

might not be the best answer for tackling. But I'm thinking about I'm thinking about size for size, and I'm thinking about coverability for guy who can make plays. Yeah, that was the one thing I thought of when you mentioned his name, is that Jordan's like Buck ninety five. He's kind of a slender player. But guy, yeah try, you know. I mean, if he can hang on, people get to him, that kind of thing. But I just don't think you could play Alvin Kamar straight up and

expect to have good things happen. Well, let's put this in perspective. Michael Thomas is their leading receiver a matter of fact, the second leading receiver in the NFL with eighty six catches for a thousand eighty yards. Already, their second leading receiver is Elvin Kamar with fifties seven catches and four touchdowns. Yeah, the Cowboys leading receiver is Ezekiel

Elliott with forty seven catches. So that kind of gives you an idea of how much they lean on him, because if I remember correctly, this last game, it was a bunch of rookies. Yea at the rest of the wide receivers, right, four undrafted guys that they had in there. Yeah, scored four touchdowns, I think, yeah, but yeah, but yeah, when you talk about good, we talk about focal points. Yeah,

it's those two guys for mister Breeze. So they better make sure that Drew Brees is not standing in the pocket with his arm up in the air and taking all these little baby steps waiting, waiting, waiting, and then throwing somebody that's wide open. They better get in his face. Maybe they can get two tall Jones to play one game. What do you think we mentioned that yesterday? I like so much. I repeated the run pass mix for the

Saints pretty balanced. The well, you know, look, you look at it statistically, and the Saints have are the second most rushing attempts in the league right and now on the on the contrary, their defense, opposing teams have the

fewest rushing attempts against them play behind exactly. And so my question is score stat skewed or when the game is on the line, how much are they a run past fifty fifty mix or how close to a fifty fifty mix or is that stat skewed because they are ahead and they're just running the ball late in the game and they add to their rushing total. And one of the reasons I asked that is their yards per

attempt rushing is twentieth in the league. Yeah, I think that it's more about them trying to really balance their team. I really do. And I don't think it but that you're right though, they get a lead and they force you, they make you one dimensional by the way they play offense. You guys covered a Super Bowl team here, several Super Bowl teams that threw early and ram late, right, And I think that's really the game plan that Sean Payton

would like to play with. I mean, they haven't had the success they've had some games, so they've just given up and trying to run the clock out. But you know, I think if if this New Orleans Saints had to go into a game and run the football, I think they damn will could go in there and run the football,

especially with that offensive line that they have. If you look at the Thanksgiving game against Atlanta the other night, they tried to establish ingram early on the ground first drive of the game and set it up that way. They I mean, they they try to be fifty fifty in a way. Yeah, they really do. Yeah, and they've got two backs who can get it done, and they've got an offensive line that gives them holes. But again, it does go back to Breeze in that passing game

and setting up guys for yards after the catch. You know, he's extremely accurate. He's completing seventy six percent of his passes, and they're not you know, they're an explosive offense, but they're not just running a bunch of nine routes either. That's ten percent more than the next game. Next guy. Yeah, well, they've always been a kind of a guy. Actually, it's his quarterback rating. It's ten points higher than the next person. Yeah. But seventy six percent. That's going to set a record

this day and age. Yeah, like you'd probably see more of that, but you know it. Guess what over the last four games, Dak has completed seventy percent of his passes. Sure last four games? How has his team been defensively? Where? Where's your biggest concern? Is your biggest concern? Third down? Red zone? Mental mistakes? Where's your biggest concern when you have to defend the Saints? Oh? Defend them? Yeah, defend them? What? What are you worried about the most? You worried about

your third down defense? Are you worried about your red zone defense? Are you worried about them just making you the pace that you have to play at to defend them too difficult? You know, I'm making them sound like they're the Saint Louis Rams of nineteen ninety nine. But they put up number they're putting up those kind of Yeah, they're putting up crazy numbers. But if you're the Cowboys, what's the one area that you can't afford a breakdown? In? Uh?

Run defense? So you're saying if Camara, if they get it going with with those two guys, that it's gonna be hard to stop them offensively, yes, because third downs not going to be very big if they're running the ball. Well, I remember that game we went to Gona, had like thirty eight first downs that game at the Superdome. That's the set records there. Yeah, that that that is the

worst I've ever been a part of a team. Being a part of a team and watching that, that was that was as disheartening as I you know, they were watching ten yards of play, I think. Yeah, it's funny you mentioned first downs. I was just looking at their first downs. Yeah, and they've got two hundred eighty two first downs on the season. The Cowboys have two hundred eleven. And I was trying to figure out, okay, kind of

getting engage statistically about their past run. They have one hundred and fifty nine first downs passing ninety nine rushing. Dallas has one hundred eleven passing and eighty four rushing. Yeah, it's a much closer, right mix there. So what's their third down conversion for someone? I don't have it in front of me. Well, you have the stats there. Well, I don't have that stat here. Oh wait, I got it. I just you know, I worry about them. I worry

about Dallas. We're losing receivers and routes, the confusing and Dallas has played pretty well, not giving up the big plays. But I just worry about the pressure that this this group puts on you offensively, when you have to deal with running backs, you have to deal with some tight ends that can actually catch, and you have to deal

with Thomas and those guys running rout See. You know, all of a sudden, you make a stop, you make a stop in the next you know, it's, oh, it's big play, and then okay, then you don't make a stop. Now it's a big play, big play, and you know you're kind of you're just you just never are comfortable playing these guys. So this is what I was afraid of. Their third down conversion percentage is forty seven percent. Yeah,

that's almost fifty. Well, the Atlanta Falcons were high, the Atlanta Falcons when the when the Cowboys played the Falcons, the Falcons were I think leading the league at fifty percent or you know, damn near fifty percent. And you know that's hey getting stops in this game. I don't care where they are getting. I mean, you make them punt of course it's a win, but how many times can you make them punt? That's yeah, that's you know, both teams are gonna be looking at that and saying, okay,

you know Dallas is playing well offensively. You know, the Saint you're probably thinking, how okay, how many times can we make them punt? Last three games? Cowboys third down percentage fifty percent? Yeah, first eight games I think it was like, yeah, it's terrible. You know there was a time there was twenty three I think at one time. Yeah, it was terrible. You know, they're sustaining drives too, so, but they haven't topped. They topped thirty points twice this year.

Let me ask you this. If everybody wants to say game land hold the ball, no way. I've seen teams hold the ball lose two. We had a mail back question about that this year. Yeah, you can't play keepaway against teams. You can't play scared. You can't play keepaway. If you don't score, you don't finish. If you don't finish, you're not gonna win. I don't care how long you

hold the football. Jason Garrett was asked about that yesterday, I think or two days ago, and he said, you just gotta It doesn't matter how long the drive is. Just sustain the drive, however long it takes to score points. Touchdown now preferably could you get would you like to have some seven minute drives and eight minute drives adown as long as you score. But they'll take a ninety yard touchdown past to Mary Cooper too. They've played eleven games.

I guess how many punts they're averaging per game? Well, just a point two, because Thomas moore Stead has twenty four punts on the seas very good? Is that a league low? So said twenty five? Yes, he does two points. The averages over forty, the averages forty six and a half yards of punt, but he doesn't qualify among the league leaders because he doesn't have enough. I think four. I think I think they've had three games where they haven't punted. I think I'm right. He's got the best

job in the NFL. Well right now, he does doesn't have to go out there. Yeah, I just I just there's all right. Let me ask you this deep snapper two, by the way, more concerned, more concerned? If should the Saints be more concerned? What should the Saints be concerned about. Let's let's focus on what they should be concerned about. And they got like the number one rated rush defense in the league. A lot of that is we've seen what other team do we play this year that somebody

else try Troy same way? Yeah, exactly, they've got the same problem that these other teams have had. What do we yeah, same way? What do we do with a Marii Cooper? You say the Saints? The Saints have to So you pick your poison. You're gonna try and stop Zeke from running the football, or you're gonna a you're gonna stop a Marii Cooper? Right? Which one? You're Dennis Allen? We have this discussion now. It seems the lovedy bells Dennis Allen. Yeah, you know who their third leading rusher

is in attempts Hill. Yes, yeah, you get there's another problem. Yeah, there's another problem. Thirty two one seventy four. Yeah, that's a snap that reck snapped at him and raise it tough. It's almost six yards. About the watch Minnesota game they try to try. This is a great play. They threw it. They had a reverse, they were going to run a fourth and one. They were gonna run a toss going left, but they tossed him the ball going back to the right,

and everybody's flowing to the left. But Drew Brees kind of sneaks out and they're gonna throw him the ball. On fourth and one, they're gonna try and throw a throwback to you know. So Yeah, Sean Payne, he's been a little cute there for that TV game. Get Ready, No Cowboy, get ready. Yeah, he's gonna do something cute this game. Get ready. Yeah. Yeah. Horace in Atlanta has been holding Horace. You're on talking Cowboys rant. Thanks for taking my call, guys. Yeah, I'm concerned mostly with them

throwing the ball steep and hitting our safeties. I mean, we've given up big plays, especially against Seattle. Our safeties have been exposed a couple of times. I think Brian is right about trying to put in another corner or something to cover Kamar, because I think he might expose Jalen. I mean, Jalen has been good, don't get me wrong, but he's not. He hasn't been as good as Vendor as She's gotten lost a couple of times in games. But the thing that I'm really concerned about mostly is

that it's going to come down to coaching. I don't think that our coaching can stack up against theirs. And I say that because I think that our team can play with him. I think we have the talent. I really don't expect and I heard you guys mentioned that you're expecting Taco will be back. Look, Taco is is not affecting the game. He got a sack because he was unblocked, and he has one sack of the season, so I don't expect him to play a big role. But we need to Marcus Lawrence. I would much better

have David been playing than Taco. But I really think that we are going to need uh better coaching. And I think and the point I really wanted to make was I wanted to ask you guys, at what point will this front office and this staff realized that Dak won't grow until you get him a great coach to

coach him. As far as I mean, I know, Brian, you've been very critical of Dak over over the season, and I know Nick Eatman has been as well, but I don't and I think that's kind of unjustified because he has been there on raw talent and not really had the coaching that a lot of elite players get. I think that they need to take the next step. Wondering, I'm wondering when will he get that coaching? Yeah, boy,

I'm sorry. Yeah, I'm gonna say this, the last three weeks not better offensively for DAK, better for coaching, better for those things. I think, better all the line. I mean, it's it's it's been a blessing that unfortunately, you know, the gentleman had to get hurt for them to put in, Oh yeah we lost. He must have taken too much time. Helo. Is that who he's gonna say? Yeah, usually talk about sue fel like guys made the difference. Yeah, he's I

don't know. I mean I have been very critical, but I think though that you have to give these coaches a little credit for what they've done in this winning streak. Though I think the offense looks different, you know, I think Mickey's been right. I mean, you get better players around the guy. I'm not gonna sit there and hang this one on on Kellen Moore, you know, and let's you know, me and coaching low, low hanging fruit. You know, that's if I just I think they've been more creative

with some of the stuff, the scheme stuff. They've had better execution, done a better job of block, and they've done a better job of catching the football, done a better job of manipulating first downs, on third downs. You know, they've done a better job in the red zone. You know, they've just done a better job overall. You know how many passes you think Drew Brees is thrown? Just take a guess. Eleven games. I'm gonna say you averages thirty thirty three, fifty six. Yeah, there you go. Now, I'll

take a guess how many times he's been sacked. I'm gonna say he's been sacked eleven times. Anybody else that sounds good? Head? Yeah, head? Yeah, all right. Now, So is that coaching, that's that offensive line? He's playing awfully? Well, they're doing well. And I bet Dak's and I know everybody's, Oh he holds the ball too long? Yeah? What has he been sacked? Like thirty two times? Most in the league.

It's up there, No, it's thirty six. It was thirty two going into So we're now ahead of the giants in Arizona and those people. I think it's right up there. So he's been sacked. Looked like he was gonna get some times the other day. Thirty eight times, yeah, thirty eight all right, But I'd like to know what has been the sack numbers the last three weeks? Is four or four last week? So we average in four a game?

Is that what we're averaging? Four in the first half? Yeah, last week and then zero the second talking and I'll tell you, but I say five four two four five against Tennessee four Philadelphia two Atlanta for Washington. So he's playing well, But that's nine. That's fifteen sacks and four games and four ten in eleven games. Right, all right, we continue with more talking cowboys in just a moment. If you're like me and you love I mean, if

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you remembered what the question? I don't. Did that? I don't, but you know, are you frustrated with your targets? All that kind of stuff. He would kind of brush it off. By the way. I saw the Patrick Creton Legend show last it was is that a production of us Okay, did you were you now you have a hand. Okay. I liked you know, Patrick Crayton was an undervalued player here. I thought he had a good career here. In fact, there was a sound bite from you on the show

basically saying that same thing. I like Patrick Craon And guess what, you're gonna get to talk to him in a week from Wednesday because he's gonna be on the Cowboys legend. That's exactly all right. He came to Atlanta for the game just as a fan had him on the show. And yeah, that was a that was a good piece on him. He gets remembered too much, I think for the jud drop. Yeah, and that's what you pointed out on the pace last night, that if we

aired on Fox Sports Southwest last night. But you know, a seventh round pick who developed into a starting receiver for this team, he had a good career, good career. He did set your DVRs because that thing shows about eleven or twelve times. Yeah. Yeah, and before we get to the new good player and I and what I liked about him was his he had a his attitude.

I just liked he was a tough guy. Those DeSoto kids are tough guys and Um, you know he kind of typified that and it came out of Northwest Oklahoma state, right and made himself into an NFL player. All right. Um, turnovers, Okay, the Saints the last nine games have turned it over just five times. Okay, has a lot to do with those ten sacks on the season that they've given up only ten. That's where turnovers start in the pocket. Rod Marinelli, that's him. Their first two games, they lost to Tampa

Bay in the season opener forty eight to forty. They actually took a seven nothing lead in that game and then got outscored by fitz Magic forty eight to seventeen through the end of the third quarter and scored sixteen and the fourth to make it look closer at forty eight to four. See, this is what scares me even you know, we talk about build the lead, double digit

leads and all that. The way this guy plays that, that's I mean, yeah, you're sitting there thinking, okay, there's oh, there's a minute twenty left though, cowboys got this one, and you're thinking, when you played Drew Brees, it's man, please look at their three zero's hit because you just don't know, kind of like playing Rogers. Well, yeah, I mean just like that's got a minute twelve on the clock.

That's I must playing these guys. I must. I hate playing last year when we said, imagine they scored thirty points in those games and they lost two of them when they scored thirty, imagine scoring forty and getting beat and what was it forty eight when they lost when they lost the Denver Yeah, yeah, fifty one, forty eight. He's got two interceptions, right right? Twenty nine touchdowns, two picks. That's wrong, and how does that happen? I'm trying to think.

I saw one of the interceptions. I forgot who it was against. I was watching, I was watching film. What game do you have an interception in? Here? It just recently was Atlanta? Did Atlanta pick him off last game? I think it was. I'm sorry, I was like, I've watched Atlanta Minnesota. I'm just trying to watch people that might against Atlanta last game? Yeah, yeah, I just it's it's it's hard to which is why they only got thirty one points? Was the po because off? Let me

I see this? Are the Cowboys capable of playing a perfect game? A perfect game? A perfect game? No, because I don't think anybody is, and they're not. We sound like we're making this team in that where's the Florida lee on their helmet? They're play perfect games. We're making that sound like that because almost perfect against Detroit. Weren't they cowboys? But here's what happened. I don't go ahead.

Here's what can't happen. First in goal at the four and end up with a field goal, which has happened in two consecutive weeks. Got a cash in there. Yeah, you can't turn it over, and you need to find a way to get the ball from them. Now, maybe it's not an interception. You said it starts in the pocket. They had a couple I go back to this oh nine game, Okay, but they this was a team that was putting up thirty six points a game back then too.

They got two st sack strip fumbles against him. Then that's how you're gonna get the ball from It's got to be a d Law special in this game, probably undefeated. You're gonna have to affect him that way because he's not He's not going to hand it to you in the past. Okay, Then what I'm asking them is, we don't think they could play a perfect game. I mean, let mean perfect in the way of, like Mickey says, when you get down the red zone, score touchdowns, you know,

not give up huge chunk plays, get a turnover. Yeah, plus not have a fifty yard kickoff return against you. You know, last four games, I've looked it up yesterday, they've had eight possessions first in goal and they've only scored four touchdowns, only scored four times. The other were field goals. That can't happen again, Mickey, that's a that's a gut punch stat right there. Cannot happen the Saints

the last five games. You know me sacks they've given up the last five games, which they've scored thirty forty five, fifty one, forty eight and thirty one points to very many two one one sack, And they went a four game stretch without giving up a sack, and then Atlanta got to them one time. Yeah, and Atlanta is really not known for rushing the path, well except for last year, but they didn't. Dallas held then the two Dallas you

give have two sacks against sim What does that tell you? Yeah, you know, I just I think they put this team put so much pressure on you. And I use the word perfect, but in reality you you almost you can't afford a muff punt or a holding penaly on a twelve yard run. You're not talking about Dak going Yeah, I'm talking about Yeah, I'm not talking about Philip Rivers

numbers twenty five and twenty five. I can't hand the next yeah, yeah, yeah, you give them yeah, you you fumble the ball, you get a holding call on a screen. You know you have a you get off the field on third down, but Anthony Brown gets called for illegal hands the face. You can't have a sloppy game, No, you can't. That's how you you really they this team puts like I keep saying this, they put so much pressure on you not to make a mistake, and they

force you in the mistakes. That's why if you win the toss, you better take the ball. Do not give them the ball? I think so, don't give them any So you don't. You don't defer because a position to you, you want to be down seven nothing, you know what the you know what you want? Do you want to take the chance of having them have a possession, a scoring possession At the end of the first half, and a scoring possession at the beginning of the second half

of the first half. Well, but they've got to do a pretty good job of managing that clock. Well, then they can have the ball at the beginning of the game at the end of the half. Do you know what the number is for number of deferred to the second half? So I heard this, I heard the stat You know what the number is now for coaches that the percentages on that eighty ninety five percent of the coaches in the league were now deferring the second They

can play the five percent rule. I get them, absolutely, you got faith in this defense to hold them at thirty or under. I mean, do you think that they hold them under thirty? They got a shot to win this degree. I looked it up. I mean, this is stats, right. There's two teams that are statistically are better defenses that they've Saints have played. That's it. Minnesota one of them. Minnesota and Baltimore leads the league and they I think

it was thirty and twenty four points allowed, respectively. If you can in that area, you know, and the way your offense is playing, I think you got a chance. Okay, here's here's the stat I want if if I take the ball first, I want to know who gets the most possessions in a game. Okay, somebody go find that next gen folks. Yeah, Art, get off my lawn. I take the ball first in a game, do I end up with more possessions or do they come out equal? It's like tic tac toe who goes for easy wins?

Oh oh, Douglas Douglass drop. That was very aggressive, very violent, almost two. You know, I you want to bet your salary on making that play call? You got one? Do you play with the home Do you try with the home defense though Mickey to get the stop? Yeah? Do you play? You play with the noise factor? Saw I saw noise affect a game the other day at Kyle Field. I saw noise affect a game. I'm hopeful that they can now. The problem is you're in a fifty fifty stadium,

likely this Thursday night. You're likely you're like Mickey, might be right taking the ball. It might not matter because those Saints fans might be just as loud as your fans when you have the ball, and you know what, the the away team they don't get in their seats late, Yeah, because they got no place to go usually tailgate, right, they're anxious to If you look at the Cowboys when they're on the road, their fans are in the stadium. First. Yeah, just saying this will be a fifty fifty. Not give

them the ball first? Why wouldn't you put yourself behind seven to nothing because in the second half and they get they get a two minute drive before the half, and then they got that in their back. If I get a two minute drive, that would be nice. That means the what's the what's the wind streak? When they're deferring, they're two, they're they're the last three. They've had two defers. They've deferred rights Philadelphia, Atlanta they deferred. They deferred both.

They weren't playing the Saints. I put the confidence in my defense right there and say, look, we trust you guys. Let's let's start this thing. But they can't score if I got the ball, you hope right? No, they's wait three plays. Fine, but they've got to wait three plays. I think robs onto seven, you hold these guys under thirty, You keep this twenty eight or under. I think they got a shot to win an opportunity. I think they do. You can't let this thing get in the thirties or forties.

I mean, of course they it gets that. It's it's gonna be a thirty four seventeen game. If that happens. All right, y'all will be talking Talking Cowboys again tomorrow. I got TV duties tomorrow. I gotta figure I gotta tell them to go cover this guy with a cornerback. There you go, all right, Jordan Lewis, all right, we'll talk at you tomorrow. I'm talking Cowboys. This has been a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.