Talkin' Cowboys: Aggressive Or Play It Safe?

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heck Ma Harrison, a resident Super Bowl champion. Isaiah standback, We've got the Great Cowboys inside or Rob Phillips Island. There's a lot of people in periscope right now. Yeah, I wonder why I think it was a cow bite yesterday? You think that's what it was. It was the cowboy, man. I think it was the smelliest thing first of all. Cow bite almost I'm telling you, man, he almost took me out. I couldn't believe. It was better than the on air. That's the craziest part after the show, I guarantee.

So if you go back and watch yesterday's show, the tail end of it, there's a cow bite. You can hear Rob calling Aaron for the cow bite. You can see the cow bout bite on Dallas Cowboys dot Com. He'd actually do it, but he did it. He did it, and it was hilarious on air. But I guarantee we sat here and laughed for at least ten minutes, just almost falling against the wall laughing. It was awesome. So

go check it out if you haven't already. It was a good show yesterday wrapping up the Cowboys and the Chargers. But good game, Terrence Steele, Good job, good job, Terence. Terreen. Steele got some praise from Jerry Jones on a one on five three The Fan this Morning and Jerry hit on a couple extra topics as well. Rob, did you get a chance to listen, Yeah, I caught most of it. He went early today, he did. Yeah, he had a

meeting today apparently, so I caught most of it. He covered some a lot of topics from an injury standpoint. We don't know yet about Amari Cooper for this next game, but it sounds like they're hopeful he's got some bruise ribs that happened. He did take a shot, yeah, and that last catch twelve yard catch on the last drive. But Mike McCarthy reference, maybe it's something that he was killing you with a little bit, maybe from week one.

So we'll see you on there. And they're optimism stick that Randy Gregory will be cleared and back by tomorrow from the COVID list. So those were the Newsy items. A couple of news man. You got to listen to those Tuesday interviews because you get a lot of gems in there. You know, you don't you would expect for it if it come from coach Mike McCarthy, But Jerry is laying down some info. So I've always got my ear to the speaker. We had breaking news last week. Yes,

on the right tackle situation. Yeah, Jerry came straight out and said, hey, Ter Steals gonna be the starter at right tackle, and all of us were like, wait what And then the coaching staff and even Stephen were like, oh, tap the brakes, Tap the brakes, and then ultimately ended up being the decision that was made. He also hit today on John Fossil and the decision to bring the house on the punting unit and what ended up being the roughing the kicker penalty that kept the drive alive

for the Chargers in that the twenty to seventeen win. Now, we didn't get a chance to hit on special teams a whole lot yesterday because we were kind of bouncing around on offense and on defense. So Isaiah, I want to bring this to your attention because I mean, you're the special teams guy. I feel like, on this show, what did you think about the decision that John Fossil made to bring the house and try and go after this punt and it ultimately backfire and bring the house.

I don't, I don't, I don't. I'm not. I don't feel any type of way about you bringing the house.

You have a responsibility as a player to make the judgment call whether or not you can make the block or not, and you have to have that I don't know that resistance to really pull off right, even though it's like I might be close, But if I don't know for sure that I can get this thing, I have to pull off because I know the consequence the repercussions of me not getting it is a rough in the passer, I mean a rough and a kicker, which results in automatic first down, which means in my defense

is now back out here and we don't get the ball on offense. So call them boys. If I was a special team's coordinator and I was able to rush the kick, rush the punter every time, and know that my guys, my hold up guys can still take care of their business on the outside, giving our return around opportunity to get a good return. I'm bringing the house

every single time. But typically that's not the case. So typically you hold off, you go to hold up, which means you rush, you get about three steps off the ball, you grab your guy, you hold them, and you block them to the direction that you need to for their particular return, and you usually don't get a good hold up at the line of scrimmage when you're rushing right, because usually they you're now attacking them exactly, they shed you, they throw you, and now they're off running down going

to cover your returner, and you don't get a chance to block them. So if you have a chance to hold your guys up, hold them up, and when you take your shots like that, go get it. They just got to make a smart decision. That's on the individual not to rough the kicker. Now, I believe it was

fourth and twenty in that situation. And but why do you think that that decision has been met with so much resistance, especially with when when when coach Fossil is saying, look, we studied the tape, we saw tendencies, they lined up in the favorable lineup, and we came after it. I mean, I mean, that's a that's a coach's answer. But what he's basically saying is we saw an opportunity and we took it. I can tell you this as a punt on a punt return team, you don't want to hold up.

You really don't. You really don't. I don't care who you put back there. I don't care if you put Cordell Patterson back there. I don't care if you put who else that from Chicago? Who it was a return man, Devin Hester. Devin Hester's back there. I don't care who's back there. You want to go get that ball like you're out there, because you're you have the ability to go out there and get the ball. Now, everybody can hold up their guys, yippie right and get a good block.

You hope that you take care of your assignment and get your return or a return. But if you can rush the punter and get a good hold up on the outside, you give your return or a chance to get to make a play. So that is not on fossil. Go get the dog on ball. Send them every time. As long as we don't rougher putter, nobody complains about it. When the punter's not roughed, nobody. Everybody likes to see it.

Everybody likes to see the guy go by and goes, oh right, and it guess what, Then you forget about the fact that we that we rushed the punter at that time, right, But there's always a problem when you hit him. And again, that's not his problem, that's the other guy's problem. And then the same thing can happen even if it was called a hold up. Yeah, even if your responsibility rob people say, hey, go hold up. Heckma decides to go all the way to the outside and you got a free runt to a punter. You

think you're just gonna stand there. No, you're going from the dog on ball. You're going to his foot, and you just hope that you get it. John Fossil appealed to the Cowboys nation day. He said he basically said he did it for them. He said, I think Cowboys fans aren't the play it safe type, so I was gonna give them what they wanted come after their ass on the punt rush. So I hope they're happy with it. I like it. I don't know if they're happy with

it or not. I don't know. I feel like it didn't work, so yeah, I feel like it just drew more attention to the fact that it didn't work more than anything. Him answering the question that direction, and you like you, Yeah, it's all it's stacking it on, stacking it on each other. And that's kind of where I think that some of the criticism came later yesterday and then into today. I think and heck, you just asked.

I think the criticism comes from he's been aggressive from the moment he got here, and yeah, and he has a history of doing that and a lot of times in his career it's worked a lot of times. So far in the last two years, it has not worked at all, you know. And this is the second game in a row they've they've played two games this year

this twice. Now, right before halftime, they make an aggressive decision, you know, they kick a field goal try sixty yards with Tom Brady waiting at midfield, and it didn't cost him anything. There they got they got, you know, they could be fortunate there. They were fortunate this time that Chargers take over and miss a forty four yard field goal right before halftime in a close game that would

have tied the game. So I'm just saying, I mean, Dave Hellman always says in a lot of different areas of life, scared money don't make money, right, So that's his philosophy. But when it doesn't work, that's when people jump all over it, especially in tight games where I mean, now they've they've played two games in a row where it comes down to the last play a game it's not his fault. There's somebody rushing on every punt block.

On every punt to return, somebody's rushing right. But now there might be half the line that has hold up, but the other half the line is rushing right. Because if you if you rush the ball, so say there's a return right right, and how you're on the left side. Your job on the left side is to go after the dog on ball, go try to block it. But guess so, if you don't block it, guess what you do. You continue all the way around, and you come around and you form the wall on the other side, and

now you're a part of the wall, right. But your initial job was to do what go after the dog on punp block right, So every tog on every player, there's a punt block called right, but it's just not the whole team. And people need to understand you don't need your return team out there to fair catch. Those guys can sit on the sideline and the punter could dictate whether or not it's a fair catch or not. This guy can sky the ball six six seconds in the air and guess what your punt return is gonna do?

Fair catch? So you don't need your whole return team out there to force a fair catch. Go out there and be aggressive and get the ball. That's what those guys jobs are. That's why you have those guys, those special teamers, those core guys out there to go after it and get after the punter. And I think what

people are on Bones about is situational awareness. When you talk about kicking a sixty yard field go right before half and leaving clock time on the clock, this situation, again, people are looking at it as a situational thing, and I think that's the big The thing that people complain about the most about Mike McCarthy and Bones Fossil together is that they don't have that situational awareness always that looks like they're doing what's best for the team, even

going all the way down to clock management at the end of the at the end of the game, we didn't really touch on that. We didn't touch on it. And again it's ifs maybe's whatever. It didn't happen, it didn't cost us. We won the game. But at the same no, no, But that's that's exactly where I'm going with this. It's like, it's not costing us right now, but we've seen several situations before this where it has

cost us. And we've looked at Mike McCarthy's coaching history where situational awareness is not as acute as it would be with some of these other coaches that we're looking at. In the least, this is a compounded problem. Yeah, I mean there's been a look there, Yeah, there's been situations that have not worked. I don't blame them for that. Whatever happened at the end of the game, because talking to people that were there, that clock thing was an issue.

It did go out, and I know Rex Ryan was saying he was Mike was lying in all this note that's that's the wrong person. Even reference like that. You serve the web and you find stuff and it's like that that's not true, that's not what happened. But um, I think the other thing too is when it comes to Bones, it's like, where's Mike's role in these decisions? You know? And like, yeah, like I think fans may have an opinion that maybe Bones is just going rogue

on this stuff. They talk about this stuff during the week, and like you said, they see something based off their game plan or what they've discussed during the week. He's got the authority to make the call. It comes to them. Yeah, it comes through. Every special team's call comes through coach McCarthy. When those guys, when you want to kick a field goal, right, you could be on a forty year online Coach McCarthy, you might kick a field goal. Let's do it, Yeah,

Sinn field goal unit. Okay, field goal, let's go, let's go everything. He's the head coach, he's the CEO out there on the sidelines. He's the CEO of this team down there, especially if it's a call like that where it's coming after a punt, or if it's a special teams play, trick play, something like that reverse who cares whatever it is that doesn't just stem from a hunch on a sideline. That's something that you've talked about for and then you've practiced for months at a time by

this point. Yeah. And the other thing I would say is that I do think a lot of a lot of this made just for fans may go back to the fake punt on Thanksgiving of last year. Bad memories. It is bad memory. And you know what, as time goes by, I have yeah, I know, just checked my timeline. Taylor Start called me out on that last week too. Um, I'm just I'm just the messenger, man, just the messenger. But you know what, as time goes by, like I

understand more and more why they did that. At the time, I was like, I've never seen anything like that in my life. I can't believe they did it. But that team was completely wrecked with injuries, and they Mike decided, we've got nothing left in the tank. We've got to do something to try to go steal this game. But I do think that's still in the back of people's minds when they try something aggressive, it's like, God, what

are they doing? Yeah, you know, at some point it's going to be the straw that broke the camel's back. From a frustration standpoint around Cowboys Nation yesterday, that might have been the straw. I don't think it's broken the camel's back yet, but it's still adding on. And like Isaiah said earlier, it's stacking on. Here's the compounding exactly like that. Yeah, here's what John Fossil said yesterday in his press conference about what he thought of what the

punt sent or felt like from a coach's standpoint. I didn't get who they actually my jersey number because it was a train wreck right there at the block spot. But what I got on film is that they're number forty hook Kamara and pulled them back into the punter. And you know, you can make a great case it was holding or that the punter hit his own blocker, But there's a lot of bodies at that pilot, so our goal is to come after him. I don't think we could fault the referees for the call that they

made there. But I wanted to ask you that question a little earlier, Isaiah, but did you think, just the way that things played out, that that should have been a flag on Los Angeles as opposed to Dallas or a no call at all. I think you're going is going to be called on the rushing team, So it's gonna be called on Dallas if that if that punter gets hit like that is going unless it is blatantly one guy rushing the personal protector who is the further

the guy who's closest to the punters. His job is ensured that the punter is safe, last last line of defense. Usually the only time you'll ever see that not called is if that one person is taking him on head to head and plain side in front of the whole screen, and he is running that guy back into the punter when he uses when his butt hits the punter and knocks the punter over, that won't be called. But what you saw the other day, that's going to be called

ninety nine percent at a time. So do you feel like now that this played out the way that it did in week two? This will if in the back of John Fossil's mind the rest of the year goes on, how do you how do how do he end that statement? He said, our job is to go after the putter. Yeah, I just sat here and told you that from somebody who played ball for six years, and he just told you the same thing. They you're you're coming after the punter.

You're not going out there lining up to say, hey, go ahead and kick the ball so he can wave at you and catch it in and go, you know, maybe an opportunity to steal some fit field position, all those things on the table for you. If you don't put pressure, you don't get fumbled, you don't get box snaps, you don't you know, you don't you don't get any of those things. If you just leave him comfortable back there, apply pressure because you never know what can happen. Somebody

can be that personal protector, commiss their assignment. The guys in our front line commis their assignment. Somebody can trip, somebody can can throw their arm out there, get their arm knocked down. There's a whole lot of things that can happen that can result in you getting a block kick And guess what, it doesn't have to be called a punt block and it can still happen. There's many of the pump blocks in this league happen off misassignments, not off of just all out rushes. You're not wrong.

Phones also brought up the Steelers Buffalo game. Yeah, and it paid off for Pittsburgh. It did. And because everybody said you're up at the time, he said, well, Pittsburgh was up at the time by three as well. So he's not gonna stop being aggressive. That's what you want. He also wants to put it in the back of the opponent's mind of we got this to worry about potentially on a punt or whatever, field goal whatever, you know, whether he does it or not. Why is it that

that fans I'm not just thinking to whoever. The fans are that feel that way want our offense to be aggressive. Yes, yes, they wants to be aggressive on offense. They wanted to throw the ball down the field. They want Coop c D and all the boys to get off correct. Yep, Okay, we also want our defense to be aggressive. Sure, yes, we want to come out there. We want to see Parsons coming off the edge. We want to see guys blitz in. We want to see guys getting hit. Yes, yes,

but special teams just be just be chill. Well, I'm one of those fans. I'm gonna I'm gonna tell you this more conservative, And the reason why I feel that way, it's because your offense. You just mentioned what I was just thinking the same way. Gallup, Dak Ezekiel, Elie, Tony Pollard, Lake Jarwin, Dalton Jolts. The list goes on and on. The weapons you have special teams, it's a Zert Kamara, C. J. Goodwin. Nothing wrong with these guys, Darrey and Thompson. The special

teams personnel is not nearly as strong. I want the ball in my best but it never wants them to be aggressive. But it never don't want to be conservative with my best, but just what that's what That's what Chris just said. You know, when it works out, you had when you look at other teams where it works out, there are no complaints because what it does if flips field position, it changes momentum in the game, and that's

what you want. And we man, we've talked about culture so much, and you're all three facets of the game, offense, defense, and special teams, and so now you have that. And look, I just think that people are trying to draw the line between what's risky and what's just downright reckless, and

that is a blurred line. So so when you start talking about fake punts and things of that nature, or you know, are you know, surprise on like kicks, those are decisions that I can understand people questioning, right, but nobody questions whether or not you go after What about field goal blocks? Does anybody question those? Every single field goal block is called block. Yeah, it's you're coming after

the kickers. It's the It's up to the person who is out there carrying out the assignment to not make a bozo decision like that. It's not the coach got to come through. It's not the coach man, when we start talking about those on site kicks and fake punts, I am all the way on board with y'all's that's just some of those things don't need to be called. But we're talking about punt block, y'all. You're talking about punt block. You go after the punter. Your job is

due that. Otherwise, why do we need to keep guys on this team for special teams? Well, you can just do safe return, right, I mean just and like Kyle said, just put it in their hands and let them Yeah, but try to get a score. But you can just keep your second stringers on there. Why do you need to keep special guys? Why you need course special teamers? Then why do you need it? Why do you need a special teams coach? Of course, every everybody knows how

to go out there and run safe. Everybody. Hey, coaches know how to put their guys out there. So why are we paying profits for a special teams coordinator out there? Yeah? Seriously, you know, if you want to play it safe, you don't need a special teams coordinator. Kickers know how to kick at this level. Punters not a punt, Snappers not a snap. Guys know how to hold up Why are

we putting coordinators out there? Why are we keeping guys on this team just because of their current contributions they have on special teams, because they make a difference when you make these calls. Now, all of that makes sense. I mean, that was gold what you're talking about from a special team standpoint. Again, I just think that the technical analysis of all of this goes back to the offense that you have get the get the punt and put your offense out on the field. Don't risk having

your defense have to go back out there. And again, it didn't cost us. We won the game, Yakunamatada, But we're just talking about there are situations where it has cost us and we don't want it to and it could cost you in the future. That's kind of where the I think the scariness is of it with Cowboys Nation in general. And I don't have a problem with going after the punts. That's not my problem. And honestly, if you're aggressive, you're aggressive. I'm not gonna overfall you

for being aggressive because that's the game of football. But if I had the decision, I would rather Dak Prescott have the ball towards the end of the half and a chance to drive down the field rather than of course what happened. Now, Like you said, sometimes it works out in your favor and then at that point then you feel good. You're about Let me get people a different scenario. So people don't don't necessarily analyze the game in the same way that I do. Sometimes I'm really

analytical that way. Every kickoff, easily, based upon the kickers in this league, can be kicked out the end zone. Every single kick kick kicked the ball off through the goal posts. So all the ones that are returnable, that's my choice. It's on purpose. It's on purpose. So because they want they want the opportunity to back these guys in anywhere between the twenty five in the goal in

the goal line. So are people okay? Are you okay with the ball not being kicked out the end zone just to have a chance of backing these guys up five, ten, fifteen yards because the payoff, because the other side of it is they can get a touchdown return. Yeah, but nobody talks about that. Well, the different would rather kick it out of the back of the fence too, But I mean, but people, that is strategy to try to

pin them back and an angle kick it. But the difference there, I guess would be, you know, the worst thing that happens, I guess would be a touchdown. But but they're still getting the ball at their own five or whatever, or you know, at the goal line. That's if it works out your way, If it works out your way, If it doesn't work out your way, they're getting the ball out the thirty, the forty, the fifty. Maybe it's a touchdown field position, you're giving this field position,

but I'm saying it's risk. Teams is all risk. It is. But the flip side for this particular situation is they got the ball at the Dallas thirty nine with a high quarterback. And but my point is that's not fossil's fault. That's the player's fault. That's that's that's that's that's all I'm saying. And he didn't think I don't think he didn't think it was as it's not fossils, it's not fossil's fault. I don't disagree with you. Yeah, I don't think it's this isn't at all. I think this is

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all right, it was a Caliber collision. Forty five fourteen was the final spot. Learning's team went down to Parish Episcopal. Hey, it's a long season. It is a long season. He has ability. Okay, he's got a young team, if he like, they all freshmen. All right, let's take some calls elive from Corpus. Christie's on the line. You're talking with Talking Cowboys. Good morning, Good morning, guys. How are y'all doing today? Fantastic?

Oh man, I'm glad you didn't take no calls the last two days because for like the last two days, well actually it's barely Tuesday. So the yesterday all I wanted to do was call in talk about the fact that we cannot stop a receiver from catching the ball. I'm about special teams, but man, we was like we right, like oh my gosh, like when it was a fifty six yards field goal, like I'm such an optimism but my whole family was crossing their fingers and I was

just like, we're gonna freaking miss this. How could we possibly put ourselves in a situation to kick a fifty six yards field goal? What gave them, like the trust in dirt line to kick a fifty six yards field goal? Like what? Like what I just but we was like, I don't know what, Like I freaking love it? What I The one thing I want to talk about the punt. Yeah, we're talking about it earlier. Go back and look at it. We tipped the ball. I don't know who it was,

but we tipped the ball. If you go back look at it, even in real time you could barely see it. But they slow it down on TV and you see that we tipped the ball. Isn't that Like it doesn't matter we run into the kicker, we kept the ball? Or am I wrong? And That's all I want to say. But if y'all can go review that and and or maybe I'm just seeing it because I'm a Cowboys fan, and like I mentioned, er, we won the game. But that's all I want to say. Guys, I freaking love y'all,

each and everyone. Y'all like the way y'all mingle together. We want it. We won. That's it, sir man. He portrays a lot of Cowboys nation. I feel like in that regard, it's like, you know what, there's some bad things in there. Who cares? We won? It's a dub, that's That's awesome. Isaiah, What did you think about what he said about the punt there? Yeah, I didn't see it. I'm about to go back and watch it. Elista, thanks

for pointing that out. But yes, by the book, if you tip the ball prior to touching the kicker, then you then negates the roughing. But that the only thing is that's not reviewable, so you had so I may it's not called on the field, then then you're out of luck. Yeah yeah, yeah, I'm sure they're gonna they've already asked the league officer to take a look at that and think it's too late, and they won, so it doesn't matter. I think they gotta asked the league

office to review a lot of stuff. Man, So yeah, that was a rough game. We didn't mention, and somebody mentioned us on Twitter after after the show yesterday. A lot of flags, man, that was as much of a penalty laden game. I don't understand how there were so many flags, but yet the game went by so fast that was a possible game. It felt like a college game in that regard, where there were flags every ten seconds. I mean there were twenty flags total combined between the

two teams, is that right? I didn't see the final total twenty. It was eight for the Cowboys, twelve for the charge. And I'm still but hurt about Amark Cooper not getting the PI. I'm more, I'm more but hurt about jam and Curse blanketing Jared Cook and getting that interception and getting called that's another one. That's another one by far, was the worst call of the night in my opinion. Amark Cooper should get that call. Cooper should get that call. But man, that was y'all. Know, I

love y'all and I got y'all's back. But you're not getting that call. Which one the Cooper? Cooper? It's not happening. Why I am not getting that because Cooper was coming out of his break and I know everybody's gonna be mad at me because people want to be fan I hear it. Understand this. If you go for it on fourth down, you better be ready to be physical. Yeah, because you're not just gonna have a opportunity to throw the ball out there and just hope that you get

a PI. Read the referees understand the situation. They're gonna let both guys be physical. Let them. Now, one guy's physical and the other guy's not. That's different, but both of them. They were both handsy on that play. At the top of the route, Coop did get grabbed the top of his route. Also at the top of the route, Coop wrapped his hand around his shoulder and pulled him back so that he can create separation. They're both hands there, but it's gonna be no call. I'm still gonna have

Vice cripts on him. Hear that. I hear. Now, that's interference. I hear. You know all you gotta do it. If Coop was just to be oh, just take it, then guess what, he probably would have got the call. But Cooper's like, he's not a pump, so he's like get your hands off me, and bit by getting his hands off him, by grabbing him as well, and the gates the fact that he can get the call. I'm just telling you how it goes. I think the NBA gets

it right A lot of times. You don't, do you just think you think Kobe would get that Lebron gets that call, you know, against a rookie, you give him that call. That's dude, this guy's competed at this level for a very long time. The top of his route a rookie is like completely blank sweatering him like he's got his hand around his throat. That's BEI that that part I don't like about the NBA. Actually the star calls,

but but you give him that call. The NBA does make up calls, and the NFL really does not do that. And not cowboy it's but just as a general football fan, I kind of wish they did have a makeup Yeah, Chris is saying that too. We might have had one right back into the game. What was the what was the PI or non p I call? I think it was the second second second quarter. There's a PI when you go back and review the table. Both Curse and Cooper were in the second quarter. I but you got

to give a coop that I disrespect. I hear you. But no, not gonna happen. All right, we've got g on the line. Gee, what's going on? You're on talking Cowboys, fellas? Good morning, coach McCarthy, bones fossil As a As a lifelong Cowboys fans, all we want is for our coaches not to put us in a position to lose or

not to put us in a position to fail. And I think that's the sentiment as fan base that over the course of the last two years, we've seen our coaching staff put us in positions where we're in position to lose or things just don't make sense. But fellas,

I have two questions. Since since the bye week, since Week ten, bye week last year, our team has a plus of twenty one to seven, and the turn in the turnover margin we've we've gotten twenty one turnovers to seven and the opposing teams we aren't turning those points. We think we weren't turning those turnovers into points. How do we fix that? And the second question is is it's been twenty sixty is guys our offense looks like

it's ready to roll and it's an elite offense. But we know what our limitations are defensively, do we do we need our front office to make a drastic move or and how what we like for them to be aggressive right now and possibly go pick up a free agent or call another team for a trade. That's my questions. Guys, Thank you, great schel. Thanks guys, Gee, I hope your team wins. All I say about that, I love that, Rob. What do you think about that? Should they make a

drastic move? Uh? Or which let's start with that one, and then I want to go back to the points off turnovers point. My question would be where, I mean, where do they where do you where do you see they have to upgrade and and maybe not play a young player that they like at this point in the season. I mean, if you get to mid season, like, okay, well his five? Okay, alright, go ahead. My answer to

that is, Kelvin Joseph's coming back next week. Potentially he's he's eligible to come back next week from I R. I don't know if he'll be ready for sure, but you know that's your second round draft pick, Like that's twenty eighteen. They were a good team. They were a young team, they were getting better as the season went on, and they realized that mid season we have to do something about wide receiver, and they got Himari Cooper. I

just you know, take it to mid season. I would say, before you really know your roster, know what you have, and then say if we need if we're in the hunt, which they should be, maybe we make a move then. And just to credit gives some credit to the fans. They see what's going on on Sundays. They see the guys that are out there that are giving up the yards, and they're trying to figure out what Wait a minute, if I can see this guy giving up these yards, you should be able to see it as well. And

that's and I understand the question. But at the same time, you know, look, they're vested in this guy, Anthony Brown and his lineup. Last week, he gave up a touchdown. We did see some good things from from Treyvon Diggs, even though you know he had a hundred yard receiver. I think this defense is just making strides. I don't want to be the negative guy every week about certain

things that's happening in our secondary. I just feel as though they can get they can obviously start to get better, and you see those things change as we get pressure on the quarterback. And that game started to change as we started to get pressure on the quarterback. And if you look at the upcoming schedule for the Cowboys, I'm gonna rattle off these games Eagles, Panthers, Giants, Patriots, Viking, Broncos, Falcons. So that's to the bye week, and then a couple

of weeks after the bye week. Name me one of those games the Cowboys could not win with their current personnel. Cowboys certainly could win all of those games with their current personnel. Yes, weirdly without arguing now, I'm not saying they will win all those games. That's almost impossible. That that would be awesome. I would love that. However, you on paper feel like you could win all those games right now with what you've got. So your next real

benchmark is probably Kansas City. You've got a tough stint in November into December. Kansas City, then Las Vegas, almost said Oakland, then the Raiders, then you've got the New Orleans Saints. That's three straight games that you'll really know what your team looks like and how you can make a run going into the playoffs. I don't know if you make a move before then maybe you make one after that or right around that time. I don't know

if you make one any time previously though. Well, I think about what this defense is done with these two great quarterbacks that they played against, and I think, hey, they had an opportunity to beat Tom Brady and Tampa A right, they did what was necessary against the Chargers to get a win. I would like to see how they measure up. You know, obviously we understand that we're getting some guys back healthy and really want to see

boss man Fat compete. And that's literally back to what Isaiah has been talking about about bringing in dan Quinn is the culture and everyone compete. I think all of these guys are sitting on the edge of their seats because they know that they could be replaced by the guy that comes up that plays better. We're seeing that

unfold through injury with Jeron Curse. You know. So look, I just think that this defense as they go, as dan Quinn just kind of gets a feel for what his personnel is, that this thing could you know, look, we want middle of the road, just not last place you're starting to see that confidence and squae back defensively, and you don't want to derail that any sense of the imagination. Okay, I said, said a word five minutes. Yeah, he's watching film. I'm going back to that place. We

can talk about its. Yeah, we're going to talk about Uh, let me save it to the last No, no no, no, no, okay, I want to get one more callee. By the way, great conversation, Bob is on the line, Bob, what's going on? Man? Hey Morner Fellas a great show. Appreciate it. Thank you hey real quick. And I'm kind of old school, but I really think the Cowboys show just how dominant and how they can control a game when they run the ball. I think this past week with the balance was really outstanding.

One thing I often wondering, I think Mike McCarthy's done it a lot over his years of coaching, is what about putting a fullback in the backfield and picking up that um initial blocker to help our running backs not have to try to move, you know, evade that first blocker. That's what you know Moose did for Emmett for so many years. And I think a fullback might really help us with our run game, especially in those critical moments when we need to run the ball. Just wanted to

ask you guys opinion on that. Thanks guys, appreciate it. Fantastic question. I don't disagree with him. I man, I wish shaw alana Lua was healthy because I feel like he would fill that role and there wouldn't be really a question about it. I think Alana Lua the way that he was looking at training camp, he could have been a weapon as a receiver. He could have been a weapon as a tailback. But my goodness, he would have filled that initial blocker role and I think we

would have seen a lot of that. Rob Yeah, I think that was the plan. I honestly think it was the plan. Mike McCarthy go back to Green Bay and he utilized the full back position. John Cune I think was one guy, you know, and they've done it in the past with Jason Garrett here Zeke I think has been used more to one back sets going back to college. But that doesn't mean that something they can't use. I think there is value in it. It's just throughout the

league you're just seeing less and less of it. The Mooses of the world, it's just less of a of a factor as we go to more spread offenses. Now, yeah, I think, I mean, I agree, I like fullbacks. I love fullbacks. I think the only thing with this particular team, the way we're built, is it takes to the personnel grouping off the field that the versatility um. Now to

your point, I can't pronounce the say shaw Shaw. I liked him a lot, and I think that he did give us the opportunity to still be a threat in that personnel grouping um and obviously multi multi faceted. So I think losing him really changed our approach in terms of short short yardage. Yeah, I love what I love what San Francisco does with number forty four. I can't say his last name, but he's he's a he's a fullback, and he's a guy that gets out in the flat A lot to catch him out there, and he does

a lot of lead blocking for them. But I also think that Kelly Moore does a really good job of incorporating tight ends. Uh in that situation use check. I mean, but it's it's a lot of vowls in there, right, Yeah, yeah, there is okay, But I'm just saying us check. They just do a really good job with him, um, you know in the run. So I mean, and that's why I love And I'm gonna get in trouble with Roxanne because she's an Ohio State grad. But that's why I

love about Michigan and the way that they play. They incorporate a lot of fullback as well. I mean, it's a lost art in football, but I think it still has value. Isaiah's looking at the play is this We're gonna take a break when we come back. I want to know your thoughts on if you still feel the same or if we're about to have another fight here on the end of the table. On the rest of Talking Cowboys, presented by tostitos Hi, I'm Clint Tillison with

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cheering in the stands. With sere lenses, you can see every exciting play book, an appointment at your local slor experts and see what selor can do for you. See more. Two more on Talking Cowboys presented by Tostitos. Oh. I like the wipe there, Chris. That was fantastic. He got us all glasses and nice he read Wipe. I love it. I want Rob to do the read as soon as he gets his lenses in. I want him to do it one time. See how Crystal clearly is. I can't wait.

And these people, I'm telling you, ladies and gentlemen are that listen to Talking Cowboys. They are bothering Rob every single day to go and get his eyes and their services second to none. It was awesome. Second, I mean, come on, I don't they told me my eyes were too too amazing. Thank you for reminding me. I just wanted to tell everybody. They said, I will cyclops out here, but geez, Louise, so it never stops. I don't like that term too much. Isaiah, you're not a fan of

that term cyclops. Uh. So I have something new because to show you, I want to show you guys something to his knees. I brought a surprise for you today because nobody even knew that. Nobody knew you knew last year. Last year, we tried to start a tradition here on talking Cowboys. We tried to start the smelly stickers. Yeah, it didn't really go well, and I feel like we just didn't do it the right way. We were virtual, we weren't in studio. I feel like we didn't do

it the right way. Basically, it's the scratch and sniff. It was a joke that we made one time, and then it turned into our form of helmet stickers. So every time a player makes a player does something well on a game day, we will give them a helmet sticker. Well, now, oh wow, where I'll even I'll put the camera on it. I've got ourselves a helmet. It's Cowboys helmets replica from Radell. It's pretty fantastic. And I've also got us some smelly stickers to go with it, some scratch and sniff smelly

stitch you. We gave out four yesterday and we're gonna put them on here like helmet stickers, So make sure and keep that in mind. And we'll do that starting uh next week. I'll have the four on there from this week, but then we'll actually put them on. I'm gonna write the names of who got him. Yes, I'm gonna put the numbers of who got him. We can't put Joe smell. It's gonna be a helmet cover. Oh goodness, the Special Team's helmet, the big drop, big one ter steel.

They have the white cover. But yes, we're gonna do some scratching snips coming up here later on. But I say I wanted you guys to kind of get this out of the way talking about the passet deference called what did you see after reviewing the film? Yeah, I went frame by frame actually, and I'm not sure if CB can actually zoom in on this from this particular angle.

Can we see this here? No? Not so much? Okay, all right, so for a nice angle right this steel shot right here, that's p O any other down I would say yes, But understand this from the DB's perspective, the dB is entitled to that same space, not even sorry. Right there, that dB is the title to that same space. Now, have that DB's momentum being going backwards like towards the opposite goal line, and he reached back and ground PI

all day long. But the fact that that dB put his feet in the ground was asante Samuel Joe right. He put his feet in this ground, and he broke exactly when Coop broke. He's entitled to that space. Now he is grabbing him. The bodies run into each other. When when one four stops runs into another force. Now, as I go to the next freeze frame, give me one second here, and if you're not watching Talking Cowboys, by the way, you can go check out the actual

footage on Dallas Cowboys dot Com. Yeah, but as you as you go to the next frame, I'm gonna get it here in three two one now being held Now okay, now you guys can see that Coop is, now where's his arm at He's extending his arms. The guy is holding him at least I don't disagree. Okay, I disagree, But guess what as soon as Coop decided to extend his arm and push off, now I guess what they both have been physical. You just what I'm saying. You just doctored that whole video. I didn't give me the

freeze frame. What's that stuff that they do with You're trying to get your fat to look you're trying to look slim? How do you do that? That airbrush? What do you do? I'm with you there, it's air brush fighting on both sides. But I think the issue I have and fans have is if they're going to call that on curs and then they need to call it one that that's a totally different that's a totally different case.

But in terms of this on fourth down and you've got two grown men going at it, fighting for the same position, there's is going to be contact, you can't expect no contact. And when there's contact on both parts, one person grabs him because that's what dbs do. The other receiver pushes his own because that's what receivers do. You can't call it one way, not not on fourth down. Wild receiver stored there, Isaiah stand back. I'm no, no no, no, I'm not staying up for anybody. I'm just saying you're

not going to get that call. I'm not saying that it's not a foul. I'm just saying that you're not going to get that call in that situation, that the specific scenario that led to it. I agree, and I also think it's kind of ironic in a game that was very much so dictated and will definitely be remembered for how many flags were thrown, we're arguing on one that was not thrown, which is kind of ironic from the from the talking Cowboys standpoint. But that's gonna do

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