Talkin' Cowboys: A New Era

of time. We've got a new coach, they are, and and Rob Phillips walks in like he uh like he doesn't care that there's a new regime here, that there's a lot of things happing mind right off the bat here by the news He's got other things, right, guys, that's you have to understand. But I apologize to everything because you do not like tardiness. I do not. You are not tarty. You are right on time. And while do we have a lot to talk about on this

edition of Talking Cowboys. Yeah, we're now we're back to the off season mode of one show a week, and so Tuesday at Love at am is going to be our time slots. Good with that, right, I'm good. I'm good with it. Okay, you know, my tues is a really very busy, but yeah, I put some time aside. There you go. It's been a it was a busy weekend for some people here at the Star, and so I guess we just start where would you like to start. It's not officially announced that there's a new head coach

of the Dallas Cowbum. I'm just glad it's it's being done. I'm glad the process has started because you guys are so thirsty, man, the media, it's so thirsty. What is happening here? It happened now. I wanted now, wow, wow, wow, you're gonna have to wait till tomorrow, I think on the press conference or announcement. I'm I'm very happy that it happened quickly because in our business, reportedly happened quick Yes, yes, reportedly happened quickly because in our business, they want to

fill airtime with all sorts of speculation. And I didn't want some two or three week drawn out process where we're having to chase people like ten like last ten candidates last time. I don't even want a two or three day process. Man, you guys didntmand him. Glad I didn't try to marry one of you guys. Actually, now that is fashion. Now what was happening? It's the Twitter world we live in, I guess so, and uh in the very latest this afternoon, of course we'll get into

Mike McCarthy and what's going on here. But I mean, this morning, Matt Rule leaves Baylor. He's going to the Carolina Panthers. Wow. Yes, stuff. And on the heels of that, Joe Judge is the new head coach of the New York Giants. And all of a sudden, and it starts with the reports of Mike McCarthy but coming to Cowboys head coach, follows up with Caroline and the Giants, and all of a sudden, the only job out there is Cleveland now, and then they stay out there for a while.

So I thought I had just read where Matt Rule was staying at Baylor. Well, that's what leading up to his game against Georgia, that's what we said. He was saying that he would he had told his team, you know, I'll entertain. You know, if someone offers you, I think, as he put at fourteen million dollars to go talk someplace, then wouldn't you do that? And as it turns out, have you seen the money? I saw five years, No, no, seven years, sixty millions. Yes, well that's not ten million

a year. No it's not, but it s sorry, it's not ten I go back to a nice place. So there you go, guys. We need to we need to have more shows. If we got all this info, all this stuff, all right, so let's go back to talking cowboys and what happened over the course of the last week and over the weekend, and uh, score around the horn,

and what's your reaction to what what you know? Making? Well? Um, I had said all along, how whoever they hired, I didn't want a head coach coming in practicing on my dime. I wanted a guy that had been a head coach and had NFL experience. And so I think that Mike McCarthy checks off those two boxes, um, And not to mention, he's been pretty successful. And the thing I like about it that if you had to get a coach who was not coaching, he hadn't been out more than a year.

I worry about guys that have been out three, four or five years, and then they forget how hard it is to be a head coach, how hard you have to work to be successful, As they were previously, so I think he checks those boxes. And then my question was, Okay, that's fine. Now who's your defensive coordinator? And it's sounding like it's Mike Nolan, who's been the linebackers coach at New Orleans, So if that goes through, I thought that would be his major hire. Who's going to take care

of a defense that needed taking care of? Well, you think Rob I agree with that. We'll see what happens with Nolan, and obviously the McCarthy stuff, they've got to announce all that, but it's obviously sounds like it's heading in that direction. And I agree with what Mickey said, what I've been saying since the end of the year. If they made the decision to move on from Jason, you're gonna pay Dak Prescott a ton of money coming up, whether it's on the franchise tag or a long term deal.

There's not a better and it available that's worked with quarterbacks. Then Mike McCarthy. I know Lincoln Riley's out there, bright, young mind, all that, but McCarthy's experience goes back to Joe Montana in ninety four, Brett Farve, Aaron Rodgers, and I think he deserves credit for Aaron Rodgers development as well as Aaron Rodgers gives credit for what Green Bay has done as a team. I think it's a really good hire. It's it's guys ready made to step in

and produce. And I'm honestly not surprised that this is coming together as fast as it is because you know, Jerry Jones didn't commit to Jason Garrett past this season, so you have to think he would have a short list of guys ready to go, and Mickey alluded to in two thousand and seven when they interviewed a ton of guys. Bill Parcel's blindsided Jerry and said, you know what, I'm done after the sixth season, and Jerry had to scramble and find a guy. It's pretty clear I think

he knows who he knew pretty early on. This guy wanted to be I'll tell you he did not want another plus else. God, he did not want that, and that's what he got. He got a guy that's not He's not a part sales guy. He's a coach with experience, successful coach. You would think that those complaints that we've had about Jason Jarrett and his coaching staff, all of that would be remedied with a guy like McCarthy, who was known to be just a meticulous coach in all areas.

That's a good thing. The other good thing about it is he can deal with Jerry Jones. He can let Jerry Jones do what he wants to do. McCarthy is good with just being this coach that can just handle the team. Jerry as a distraction to most head coaches. I think McCarthy has the experience to wait, it wouldn't bother him. I think he can work his way around that. In regards to any circus atmosphere that people anticipate coming from Jerry Jones. The only thing I will say about

it is the Marvin Lewis attempt. Whatever you want to call that, Marvin, mar Yeah, I'm getting old guys. I want anytime I think skin you can correct me anytime you want. If that was just a typical Rooney rule attempt, it was weak. There are some great coaches out there, African American coaches that if they really were serious about that, I think they could have gone so many other different ways. I thought that was just a for lack of a better term, I thought that was just a token effort

to get to even interview Marvin Lewis. I'm just kind of disappointed about that. However, I am happy about the McCarthy hiring if it's official, and when it's all said and done, we're worried about the time and how long it took. Okay, guys, here we are. Okay, here we are. We got them. I think we got them. If we got them, we got them. Wow, we have so much more time in the off season. Everyone was in a hurry to get this done. I'm glad he did it

on his own terms. When a few times I agree with Jerry in regards to procedure, they talked about him not one shouldn't be a gem how to get that okay, But I thought that him taking his own sweet time was his prorogative and I had no problem with it.

And isn't it kind of funny that everybody was criticizing him for dragging along not doing something, and then basically he was the first one to do something, and now all the other dominoes fell either the Cowboys did McCarthy, which along those lines, I think when you look at the timing of the Jason Garrett, the announcement that Jason Garrett would not be they would not pursue an extension on Garrett, which was came on Sunday afternoon, and then

immediately the next morning it comes out that McCarthy is the guy. I think that truly that Jerry talked with Jason throughout the week and that he gave Jason an opportunity to state his case for keeping the job. And I truly believe that that Jerry valued what Jason brought to this organization as a head coach and in all aspects of what a head coach is supposed to do.

And I think that he truly felt like, until I can interview the guy that I want, which was McCarthy, you know, I'm not ruling out the possibility that Garrett might come back. And it wasn't until he got comfortable that Mike McCarthy was his guy. And the other part of it, now that we see these other dominoes falling, the fact that it had it waited a week before that decision was made. It did not cost Jason Garrett getting these other jobs, because he was not going to

get the Carolina job or the Giant's job. Obviously, they were going into different directions I thought that was a lot of panic over nothing. It really did. And I'm glad you said that because I said that yesterday that I don't think it was a coincidence that as soon as he officially said we're moving on from Jason, that, oh, let's hire Mike McCarthy. I think he wanted a bird

in hand before he moved on from Jason. I thought that all last week that he's no, he has a known commodity right here in Jason Garrett and until he has a sit down with whoever his uh the guy, his number one choice was he doesn't know what that dynamic is gonna be. Like, Yeah, a lot of that was cries from fans and even media that you nice and Watt media missed the playoffs, so you get him out of here. On Monday, he says if Jason was stealing money from them, yeah, was like, hey, get rid

of him that, right. I can't believe me him. Right. If someone to be so oh my god, so hateful to a person you don't even know, it's it's it was incredible. And yeah, I agree with you guys. I think Jerry was gonna and Steven they were gonna take a big picture. Look at this thing after the season. Think about how much he invested in Jason Garrett Yea since two thousand and seven. He he was hired before Wade Phillips on the staff in two thousand and seven.

He was kind of the chosen one. I think. I think Jerry wanted this to be a guy here for twenty years plus and it just it didn't work out. But yeah, I didn't think that he was going to make a rast decision right after the season. I think we all kind of saw the writing on the wall. But again, he's got a coach under contract until January fourteen. Just kind of see see where you want to go here?

And you know, ultimately they go in another direction. And I think Jason probably last Monday when he walked in the door, he probably expected that he was going to be let go. It might have been even surprised that he still had an opportunity to lobby for the job the last week, and they probably set it up with hey, there are other openings, giants, job is up. Whatever, if

you want to go pursue those, go pursue those. But as Jason said in his postgame comments right after the last game, I want to be the head coach of the Dallas Cowboys and then Jerry gave me the opportunity to him to at least that's right. Yeah, absolutely, as far as Jason's got guts, yeah, I get that. You know. The other part of that is there's a maturity about him too. I mean because a lot of people would

would see the riding on the wall out the door. Yeah, you know, that's why he was hide in the first place, because that's not in his DNA. Right. Um. Now, as far as McCarthy goes, and you know, it's interesting when you look at his track record and then let go by Green Bay thirteen months ago and the way he spent the last year in preparing for his next opportunity and preparing to interview for his next opportunity, it's he was not away from football the last year. Yeah. And

I'm assuming and you guys know this. When a coach comes in for an interview, part of the question is, Okay, how are you going to put your staff together? Who you got who's in your back pocket? Like, who's going to be your defensive coordinator. I don't think he got the job and started going oh, okay, who's out there? Right? He knew where Mike Nolan was, and he'd work with him before, work with him in San Francisco as his offensive coordinator, and and it's like he was only a

linebacker coach. So I'm sure he had that planned out, and he probably had other positions planned out too. We'll see what happens once they have the official press conference, which I don't think will be any later than Wednesday. So tomorrow is there a chance today? I don't think so. Okay, So you're you're calling wednesday on, I'm gonna callday. The other thing on Mike Nolan is, I mean, this is a guy with thirty three years experience coaching in the

National Football League. Twenty one of those years is either a head coach or as a coordinator. I mean, he has a lot of experience as a defensive coordinator in this league. And of course, Dick Nolan, his father, the late great Dick Nolan, was a Cowboys defensive coordinator going back to the sixties, then became the head coach of the San Francisco forty nine ers, and then came back to the Cowboys and he was your position coach. Was a guy, he was one of those old school guys. Man.

We had all kind of jokes about him. I tell you kids, he was just had a great sense of humor. Uh. He forgot more football than anybody at this table or even in this building whatever. Though. He was extremely experienced and he was he was a players coach. He had

been there before. He knew the difficulties that came along with playing for the Dallas Cowboys and that flex defense because he and Tom Landry actually, if I'm not mistaken, they played together in New York New York Giants, right, So so he had all kind of jokes about funny, funny, funny story about Dick Nolan because I remember talking to him several I just loved talking. He was a great guy. He was. He was the first Marlborough man on the big board in in Times Square. Really yeah wow, and

that once a lot of people do not know. I saw a picture a good looking guy playing for the New York Giants, right, and so a lot of cigarettes. Like the last I think it was the last year that he was with the Cowboys. He's walking down the hallway at the ranch and he's all been over his shoulder and I was like, Dick, I said, what's the deal with that shoulder. He goes, I'll tell you what the deal is. So he tells me the story that

they're they're playing at Cleveland and he injures. He injures his shoulder right during the game, goes to the locker room and the doctor. Back then, they didn't bring their own doctors to the game. They rented a doctor at that spot. They gave the guy. His pay was two tickets to the game. They sat in the stands and if you needed them, they were supposed to come down. Right. Well, the guy they they had there said, hey, I'm watching

the game. I'll be down there at halftime. So he's in the locker room breathing in pain, and the doctor shows up at halftime. Yeah right, absolutely, it's like no record to help them out, you know. And he goes, that's why my shoulders screwed up. You know. He was he was a piece of work man. And remember and you know what might have been around Yeah, he would have been around him. I need have been growing up

around the Cowboys. And the reason Dick came back to the Cowboys is when he was a head coach at San Francisco. If you remember, I think it was two years in the row. The Cowboys eliminated him from the playoffs early seventies, right, and they fired him. So the Cowboys were responsible for him coming back. That that was in seventy one seventy two, I believe, so those two years.

That was my first Cowboys game, and they played the Niners and they were to go to the stadium watch him returned the kickoff if I'm I'm the opening kickoff for a touchdown Vick Washington. That was the first Cowboy game really the only Cowboy game I ever attended until I played. Really it's funny that you mentioned that game. Well, I didn't realize that Dig Nolan was the head come Yeah. Absolutely.

And then and then one of those games was the famous game where the Starbock had the comeback in the last two minutes. That was that was the thirty to twenty eight. Well, now that was out on the road. Yeah, that was there they want That's when they had the turf out there right in San Facis. Might have been at keys Oar Stadium. I think I just remember the offensive lineman rolling all on the ground like they were crazy. I think celebrates exactly. That's exactly right. Um, you know

but Mike McCarthy. It's interesting when you that the tie that Mike McCarthy has with the Jason Garrett era and going back to the Wade Phillips era, he seven and three in his career against Dallas is for is first two times he coached against the Cowboys in OH seven

and O eight they were losses for green Bay. And he's seven and one since the two thousand and ten season, and of course, in that two thousand and ten season, Wade phillips last game is Cowboys head coach was the forty five to seven loss at green Bay, and Jason Garrett became the coach. Then you you then fast forward eight games, and in fact, it was nine years ago yesterday that Jason Garrett was announced as the head coach of the Cowboys after serving as the interim head coach.

And that this month is also when Mike McCarthy and the Packers went on their four game role to win the Super Bowl at AT and T stadiums. Crazy two crazy playoff losses. You think did Dez catch it? Do you think that was a question in the interview. Give him the other part of it. Fourteen and sixteen, all right, give him your tweet. All right, the the when you look and I stole it so and I gave you credit. By the way, when you look at Jason Garrett, Mike McCarthy,

okay since two thy fourteen. Okay, Garrett's record as head coach of the Cowboys fifty six and forty during that time, and McCarthy, of course at being let go with four games left in the twenty eighteen season and coaches many games at forty three thirty two and one was his record. So Garrett with a better regular season record the difference in the postseason. McCarthy has a four in three records

since twenty fourteen, Garrett's record is two and three. Turn around the the two playoff wins that Green Bay had against Dallas the Dez Catch game in twenty fourteen, the Rogers to Jared Cook Mason Crosby fifty one yard field goal to want to win the game in two thousand and sixteen, and Jason Garrett might still be the head coach of the Dallas calf now he's still he would be. It would be ye as the Cowboys would have gone to two come back in that game. Eighteen. Yeah, I

wrote that this morning. There's a lot of would have could have when his with his tenure here. I mean, if Romo hadn't gotten hurt in twenty fifteen, if Romo hadn't gotten hurt before the season finale in twenty thirteen, with the division on the line, there's a lot. But that's the NFL. It's a fine line. You're seeing it in these playoffs. There's not much difference between and done. You still ended up with one of the most talented teams you can have in the NFL. So we can

lament about Romo. Well you got that. You can lament it's about Oh we have the Marco Murray. Well now you got Zeke. Yeah, you can lament about all that. Now we have this great offensive line. Yep. So all of that just lend us to where we are. Well, I feel like I'm in the Game of Torones episodes. You know, I'm branding the brokenness. I mean because that you are where you are right now. So all of that stuff was meant for you to be right here

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Dallas Cowboys. Better to Talking Cowboys. Talking Cowboys continues inside the SWBC Mortgage studios here at the Star in Frisco, Texas, and again we Mickey has speculated that we might have a press conference tomorrow to announce the new head coach of the Dallas Cowboys. We're talking about what's gone on here in the last week and how it quickly came together over the weekend. As reportedly, Mike McCarthy, you're a new head coach of the Dallas Cowboys. And it's interesting

as he's putting the staff together. We've talked about Mike Nolan as a defensive coordinator. Reports this morning about Kellen Moore that McCarthy is interested in keeping Kellen Moore on his staff, but Kellen apparently has an opportunity perhaps at the University of Washington where and so we'll see what happens with Kellen Moore, What would you do an offensive coordinator? Yeah, and I stick around and being almost somebody like coach McCarthy. To me, that would be an opportunity I would not

pass up. I'm already in the pro game. I'm already with the Dallas Cowboys. To me, it wouldn't even be a ladle step going to YouTube, I would imagine. Of course, a head coaching job in colleges is more amazing now than it ever was. But if I'm already with the Cowboys, here we are. We have a chance to us or redeem myself from last year. And I do it with a coach with that much experience, someone I could learn from.

Even if if the head coach is calling plays, Yeah, of course I want him to call plays because I can learn from him. I can see the mistakes that I made and clearly there were something And I think with Killing it also kind of depends on where he wants to go in his career. Does he see himself down the road as a college coach or an NFL coach?

He really doesn't matter that much, But if he wanted to make some inroads along those lines, maybe, But he if he even if he wants to be a college coach someday, he will benefit from learning, as you say, from a young guy. I don't really see a young guy going from being a professional coach and then transferring to college. Usually it's an older coach who's about to

get out of the league. Hey, I can do this college game because you know, mentally it's a little bit like on the load, but also you have experience you can impart on your younger players. I don't really see a younger coach going from pros as an OC and then saying, my future is in college once I'm a bit by this bug and the professional bug, this is what I want to stay with. That's that's just my opinion.

And you don't have to recruit right. Man. Come on now in Washington, he'll obviously be the guy calling plays right. That'll be his job here. Even if they leave him as offensive coordinator, he's going to be doing all the legwork for Mike McCarthy, who's overseeing him. That's how you learn, and that's how that's how you learn, and that gives him an opportunity to see how another coach does things and steal amound all this talent on right right, Yes, absolutely,

and have some input. I would imagine, you know, he's going to pick his brain if he right. Yeah, you've been here, you know, you know the talent, and you study it together, and he could learn a heck of a lot. But again, I guess it's what your kind of priority is going forward. Do you want to be a college coach? Well, if you're OC and you're successful there, then you get an opportunity to get a college job for sure. And John Kitna, what do you anticipate might

be happening there? I would think you keep him as a quarterback coach. I keep him. I think he worked really well with the quarterbacks, and uh, I would I think you have You can't wipe out the host staff. You need to keep some holdover guys, and those guys would not be a threat to me. I remember Jimmy Johnson talking about when he went to Miami and he was only allowed to bring one guy with him. I

think it was Butch Davis. And there was a lot of backstabbing going on on that staff because there were guys on that staff that thought they should have been the head coach of the University of Miami and it was a bad situation. And I remember Jimmy saying, he goes, I realized I made a mistake and I would never make that mistake again, because when he came to the Cowboys, it's like, I'm bringing my guys with me. But that was a different situation, right, that was a team that

needed to be rebuilt. And I remember, I mean, ever sudden remembers they the college. Joe's right, what do they know about the NFL? Well at one fifteen, everyone thought, yeah, we told you that. Then each year they got better and better. I remember coming here in nineteen ninety. I was with the Giants and we won the role. We came through and I couldn't wait for payback and all

they kind of crept. And I remember after the game we won the game, and after the game, LT sitting on the bench and he looked tired, and you know, Texas heat, That's what I thought it was. I said, hey boy, you all right? He goes, uh, Hey, man, those guys are pretty good. And that was that was That was your two. That was your two. He said, man, those guys are pretty good. And when he said that, he knew that that team had the potential to go to the Super Bowl. I've never seen him look like

that after a game. And if I remember that game was in the middle of that three game they had a three game losing streak. I think, uh, and I think that got him to like four and seven or three and seven, and then they won four straight seven and seven. In an update on Jason Garrett, reports came out this morning that the Giants were requesting permission to talk with Garrett. I know they have to request permission. Well,

it's not the fourteenth year. Yeah, it's right there. And initially when those reports came out, it was assumed that it was for the head coaching position, and they immediately on the heels of that came out that Joe Judge

is being hired as the head coach. And the clarification is that they are talking with Jason Garrett about the offensive course Judge wide receiver coach and special team special and special teams, and he is being interviewed for the head coaching job now he is, So we're finalizing our details here. Is that? What are you saying? So, what do you think the reaction is in the New York Daily News? Exactly? Ill it because it's Joe Judge, it's New York. Yeah, I mean, but it's also typical New York.

The reaction is, of course New York. You know, the decision is typical New York giants right now, they don't know what they're doing. I'm just sorry that. I'm sorry, guys. I know, Judge, I'm sure he's a great guy, but he must be a heck of a wide receiver coach, lead teams guy. And look what he's doing and looking at Joe Judges resume. He never clarified. He is thirty eight years old. He's worked for some good heead went to Mississippi State. He was a graduate assistant Mississippi State,

then a linebackers coach at Birmingham Southern. Then he was under Nick Saban at Alabama. You're familiar with that course, of course. He was a special team's assistant under Saban oh nine to twenty eleven. He became a special teams assistant with New England twenty twelve through fourteen, became the

special teams coordinator UH twenty fifteen through eighteen. In fact, he's been the special teams coordinator ever since, in the last five years, and just became and just added just added the title wide receivers coach this season, so he was not only the special teams coordinator, but also lost all those wide receivers in New England this year and they lost a bunch of Hookay, you're now the wife receiver's coach for him, I mean no doubt, which explains

why at the end of that Patriots game the other night, Julian Edelman was back there supposed to be the punt return guy, and then someone on the sideline, I don't know if it was Joe Judge told him to go cover the gunner over here because we're trying to block the punt. And then, don't you know, Bill Parcels was yelling at the TV when they get the punt away and there's no return to either field the punt or or just to for the yardage or for the time on the clock, and it grows down the one yard.

But remember he was the mastermind of not putting a guy back against exact boys exactly, and then the Cowboys had to call time out. It's like, what the hell is going on. He was also the mastermind of putting Matthew Slater over Joe Thomas, who hadn't practiced all week and he beat him and blocked the punt that beat the cowege? Are you giving Bill belichicker Joe Judge credit

Joe Judge. Oh stop, it starts the paths pipeline. As long as Belichick's there, they're gonna get Well, that's just because that's the weather was in New England for every time. But can you imagine the criticism that Jason Garrett and Keith O'Quinn would have got on the on the television broadcast if they didn't have a punt return guy back for that punt. Can't have enough judges in New York. Yeah, it is all right. Um, what other aspects of the

Mike McCarthy hire, um, intrigue you impending higher? Yes, yes, would intrigue you reportedly. I mean obviously the dynamics between he and uh Dak Chriscott. Yeah, they're gonna have to be strong. I would be very excited to see what he really feels about working with a young quarterback like this all over again. Uh he and uh Aaron Rodgers. At the end, you said he got fired not mid season, but late season, four games to go at the time,

rising fire. The timing of it was so I'm sure trying to deal with another prima donna is not on his list. As far as dealing with quarterbacks. I think he'll, I think he'll have a pleasant experience dealing with an eager Dak Prescott. If I'm Dad, I'm I'm like, man, this guy he coached Aaron Rodgers, Brett farre on the Super Bowl, but at far I'd be man. I'd be sitting up here on approach waiting on him to come out,

press right right. And they had FARV has a serious XM radio show, and he was talking about how he McCarthy would adapt his style to the quarterback. He did that with Montana. I mean, he wasn't in a position of directly he's on the staff, but then working with Farv and Rogers, knowing what those guys liked and tailoring it to their strengths, and so he thinks he thinks it's a good fit reportedly for McCarthy's coming here and

do that. But it's yeah, It's just the other thing to me is if if this indeed gets official, what happens with the offensive staff and the and the dynamics there, because I know they like Kellen Moore here but McCarthy's basically run the offense in Green Bay short of maybe one season or part of one season. So how would that work out? Well, you know, you're just talking one year of of Kellen Moore being oct right. To me, the adjustment shouldn't be that difficult. I mean that was

something new, the adjustment was this past year. To me, I think it's I would feel a bit of a comfort zone. Uh, Kellen might be a little bit more ambitious than me. He might think, you know, his toes are getting stepped on. I don't know. But if i'm if I'm Kellen, I'm thinking, you know, this is a chance for me to have a cushion. You know, I have a coach here that can really bail me out

if I'm in a particular situation. I can't get out though, And as a matter of fact, I would love to put the training wheel training wheels back on Keller Moore right now and let let McCarthy take over, and I'm gonna be in the passenger seat trying to learn all I can. To me, that's it's just an opportunity for

the young people here on this staff. And we have a bunch of young people it's a chance for the young people lady keeps on this staff to get better at what they're doing, because, of course, last year we saw so much chaos. Now you you're going to see a different way of preparing for a football game that just might enhance your ability as a coach and make you more valuable to your team. Yeah, and you know what, and I don't know. I mean, it'll be different than

if McCarthy's calling play. But he didn't have carte blanche effect on this offense, right. Jason Garrett was still kind of over what was going on during the week. I am. I never saw him say a word on the side. He just said quite a bit. Okay, yeah, not just in anchor now, yeah, right, what do you do? None of that? Yeah, And I know there was some suggestions along the way, so um, but now, yeah, we talked

about it already. Rob. We were just kind of pointing out, you know, when you're the head coach, it's hard to do all the coordinator stuff, the leg work during the week, putting the script together for practice and putting the you know, kind of putting the game plan on paper, and then you know, then you kind of turn it over That's what I mean. That's what Parcels did here. Right. He had all these guys that were put doing the leg work during the week, and then he called the place

you got certain coaches at the clipboard coaches. Jason Garrett was not a clipboard right, right, McCarthy is, if I'm not mistaken, McCarthy, I was looking carry the little board with him, all right. McCarthy's staff at the Packers in twenty eighteen, he had a pass game coordinator, quarterbacks coach, run game coordinator as well. Yeah and so, and he was the one call in plays. All right, We've got

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back to the Cowboys. I never used the word exist, And that's good. It exists like today is the seventh right, Yes, yes, yes, because I have to pay a bill. Today is eleven fifty nine, pay my clunch shoes? All right, me too? Yeah? Today of the day? Any other well, any other aspect of the hired The potential hiring of Mike Marthy McCarthy tomorrow, can't get here soon? Or yes, intrigue you I've got something. If you don't, I always set yourself well that wants

to quickly worry about what's going to happen defensively. Yeah, that's to me, that's what I'm worried. I mean, you're you're talking about hiring a coordinator. But okay, what about line? Yes, linebacker? Second? And how did how did he do with in Green Bay? You know what was his style in Green Bay? What? What was it? Who was his care papers? He ran a three four with Don Caper Dom Caper and they're gonna run a forty three with Mike Nolan and used

to be head coach of Carolina. Right, No one's done both though, Right, he's run three four and four three. He was back with the Ravens back in the early ots. Yeah, two to four. If you if you run a three four, you're in a lot of nickels. So there's a lot of four man line and there's an a lot of hybrid stuff, a lot of hybrid stuff. Look at the Patriots, what they do? I have a call. They played a lot of man to man in Green Bay that I do with call but they don't have three to four

personnel Cowboys. Yeah. Yeah, they don't have the big defensive ends that play the three up front. I think Tyron Crawford could be a defensive end maybe in that scheme if he's healthy and he needs to get heavier though, yeah, because he slimmed down right last year and he has to be healthy. And they don't have enough linebackers for four three. I mean, what is right now? What does Nolan play? What does Nolan coach? He's forty three the usually, Yeah,

and he was the linebacker coach. I mean, I guess you could be the coordinator linebacker coach. Double up, uh, and then you would need to see what you're gonna do with the secondary and what you're doing on the defensive line. And there's you know, guys that have been here for a while. You know, does he does he keep Leon let On? Does he keep Andre Gerard, who, by the way, had knee surgery, got injured at practice the last week of the season, rolled rolled up on God,

I didn't see him on the injury report. Yeah, but ever since, right, it's every level of the defense, they got question marks with personnel, regardless of it's unbelievable. It's not unbelievable, but it's it's a lot of questions. And Robert Quinn leaves, what's your top draft need? Is it to go get an edge rusher? Is it? Or a stand up outside whatever they're gonna do, bra Jon. They took care of that with Tristan Hill last year. Right, you need not not not yet, not yet, you need

not only really linebacker. But I believe the only linebackers that are not free agents are Jalen Smith and Layton Vanderish right, and then in the secondary, Byron Jones is a free agent. Jeff Heath is a free agent. C J. Goodwin's a free agent. Who am I missing? I think Daryan Thompson might. Darren Thompson's a free agent. Every time I think of Jeff Heath, I think of Dick Nolan now, but the should remember that's the way Jeff's gonna be looking at about twenty years. Yeah, Malie Collins is a

free agent. So really, I mean, with as many questions they have on the roster, it might be an opportune time to reshape the defense. You're gonna have to reshape the defense. No, he's a free agent. Yep. Oh, I got clar down that. By the way he's been at he's put him in the unrestricted category. Okay, then when March comes, he'll be he's in that group. It's not right now, right, but yeah, he's his time's up. And I mean, who knows, he's thirty four. What does he

want to do? You know, does you want to keep playing or does he want to stay close to home? I always thoughts from these Texas Yeah, he's sort of been a rental player here in the last several years of his career, right, you know, he may not catch on with the team until Layton to you know, get closer to training camp. Guy different because where did he go? Philadelphia?

Philadelphia for six games and then you're here. Yeah. So, And by the way, Kyle Yeoman's informs me that when Mike Nolan was most recently a defensive coordinator at Atlanta, it was a four three defense of course, okay, mix right. I mean I think that what they have that makes the most sense. But you got to figure this, They've got a lot of hard decisions to make them. I don't called Mike Nolan being a great DC at all. I don't even remember he's been a lot of different places. Yeah,

and I don't call them you're talking to Atlanta. I don't we call them being that effective. I'm guessing that's why he got the head coaching job. But that was the Ravens and oh two through oh four, and I'm about to look them up along the other The other lines that I want to bring up about coaching is when you look at, Okay, the Cowboys. This is since twenty fourteen, the Cowboys have the eighth best record of the National Football League and of course just one coach

during that time. The top twelve teams regular season records in the National Football League since twenty fourteen, New England obviously has the most wins Number two Kansas City, three Seattle, four, Pittsburgh, five Green Bay with Mike McCarthy primarily during that time, six New Orleans, seven, Minnesota, eight, Dallas, nine Baltimore, ten Philadelphia, eleven Houston, and twelve Carolina. All Right, those twelve teams, what is the common denominator there? They basically have had

one head coaches. In fact, there's only two of those twelve teams that have had multiple head coaches since two thy fourteen, and that would be Green Bay. McCarthy was there until four games left in the twenty eighteen seasons, so then one year of Matt Lafleur, and then Philadelphia had Chip Kelly in fourteen and fifteen, and then Doug

Peterson took over in twenty sixteen. All Right, the bottom twenty teams record wise since two thy fourteen, twenty teams have gone through fifty two head coaches, Bill, you have anything else to do? Fifty two head coaches for twenty teams over six seasons, and the top twelve have gone through fourteen head coaches. So there's something to be said for continuity in the national area has always said that, And how many of those top twelve now have retained

their same coaches? Well, and then now Carolina just Carolina. Carolina just changed Dallas just changed Green Bay a year ago, and that's it. That's it. Yeah, So the bottom line is what did you do for me? Now? The bottom line is the regular season doesn't mean crap if you can't win in the playoffs. Well, and most of those teams, most of those you look at the playoff record of those teams, I'm sure it's gonna switch a little bit. Well, actually, even if you look at some teams on the let's say,

let's say the rain here we go. I got the playoff record since twenty fourteen. Since twenty fourteen, New England twelve and three in the playoffs with three Super Bowl wins. Okay, Kansas City two and four in the playoffs. Okay, Andy Reid. That's why Andy Reid gets criticized in the playoffs. Seattle Pete Carroll four and four in the playoffs since twenty fourteen, with a Super Bowl loss. Pittsburgh Mike Tomlin three and four in the playoffs, Green Bay Mike McCarthy. He is

four and three with two wins over the Cowboys. Otherwise he'd be two and three, like Jason should be. New Orleans Sehn Peyton, Sean Payton two and four in the playoffs. Now we're blame the West for that since twenty fourteen. Minnesota Mike zimmer is now three and two in the playoffs. Okay, Phila Dallas two and three with Garrett Baltimore Harball one and two in the playoffs since twenty fourteen. Then you had Philadelphia, of course won it. I didn't. Four and two.

Is Doug Peterson now four and three with the loss this week, Houston O'Brien is, I had him down as two and three. I'm not sure if I updated it after the playoff win, that would put him at three and three, and then Ron rivera three and three. Interesting now, but the bottom twenty there's not very much in the way of playoffs, so there's not much of a discrepancy between that's a successful Super Bowl wins versus down here and that exactly exactly. It's such a fine line between

winning and losing in this line so much. But I said this on their podcast yesterday, the difference and why ultimately one reason why they've banned the change, I'm sure is they've been on this roller coaster of make the playoffs, miss the playoffs throughout Jason Garrett's tenure here, and you look at teams like Baltimore and then the NFC Philly and New Orleans the last three years Seattle. I'm trying to who else makes makes it? Saints. They give themselves

chances in the tournament over and over again. That's what they're trying to do super Bowl. How many all these teams that we're talking about, if won won, Yes, but it's hard to do. But trying to give yourself chance after chance. That's what you're trying to do. Here's the difference between these teams and Jason Garrett. Prior to twenty fourteen, those coaches won Super Bowl, you know, yeah, and he went eight. Nandy Reid hasn't, right because he's in Philadelphia before. Okay,

Kansas City's another one though. Pete Carroll has, Mike Tomlin has, Michael MacCarthy has has John Harbaugh who is just one in two since twenty fourteen has won a Super Bowl, though Doug Peterson has. What about Jim Harbaugh? And well he lost to his brother in the Super Bowl and every year he's got to deal with the New England Patriots and a bunch of those Super Bowl wins are ten years old, right, yeah, right, But the difference, there's

the difference. These are the Dallas Cowboys. That's it. That is the only difference. Yes, so right mate, That's where the focus is Nationally, that's where the focus is. And the word is expectations and that's that's that's the key word. And some of what Jason Garrett had to pay for it has been twenty five years old. It's not his fault that they hadn't been back to a super Bowl since ninety five. There's been a lot of coaches. A lot of coaches had a hand in that, right how

many Sweatzer, Chan, Gaily, Campbell, ourselves, Bill and Wade. That's five. I forget anybody got everybody since when they hired Jason Garrett, it was a promise that I think it was. That was the promise from Jerry Jones that this is the change they we're gonna make. This is the guy. He's our typical Dallas cowboy. We always like being hired from within because he was a quarterback for the Cowboys. So the expectation there early on was that he's my this

is my guy right here. All the other guys we got these problems. You know, the coaches didn't like Bill Parcells, Chan Gailey didn't have the talent. No, Jason gats gonna come in here. He knows this team, he knows this organization. We know him, and there was a safety zone that we had created to where the expectation was gonna be we're gonna get to the super Bowl with with this guy,

but we're gonna get it. And they handed him on one in seventeen yeah, and they did spend the early part of his tenure rebuilding the offensive line and all that. But you do look at the end of this tenure and they still The last time they made back to back postseason appearances was two thousand and seven. You know, it's been a long time, and this is the only year they didn't have an excuse. There were excuses well

every prior to that. And I agree with you, like I said, he's been unlucky in a lot of ways. But Mike McCarthy has had Aaron Rodgers break his collarbone two and where did they go? They had a losing record, well and didn't go to the playoffs. Mick, we could nickpick every team that doesn't have things go their way over here. No, but I'm saying you mentioned, you mentioned McCarthy, and I'm saying there was a he had a losing season. Jason had this thing on a roll. They had what

three consecutive winning seasons. This was the this was the one. It's like I said, what did you do for me? Now? Expectation right, because of expectations right period. No one else's expectations are as lofty as as the Cowboys are every year, and this year was even more special because we put the money out there. I mean, think about when McCarthy didn't go to the playoffs in twenty seventeen, when when Aaron Rodgers got hurt. Who was the quarterback? Some guy

named Hunley Brett, Hunley Brett Hunley UCLA. Okay, So when the Cowboys missed in twenty fifteen with Romo, who were the quarterbacks? Right? Castle, serious, Castle, they should have stuck with Whedon. Oh boy, you bring up those names year? Right? They went four and twelve for a reason. Let's put that out of my mind. Almost put that out of my mind after that. Okay, on that note, we move on,

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