Talkin' Cowboys: A Home Run Draft

We're moving forward toward the twenty twenty summer and potentially the season later on. Still a lot of question marks in the air, but we're excited about the draft class that the Cowboys came out with. Kyle Yeoman's heck Ma Harrison, Rob Phillips, Isaiah stand back here for Talking Cowboys. So glad you're joining us, and hope you're still saying staying

safe out there as well. But guys, like I mentioned draft in the rearview mirror, and goodness gracious, the Cowboys came out with a bit of a hall, and by a bit of a hall, I mean an absolute beatdown of a Hall snagging seven players, all of which you could really argue would be at the top of their board, and not only was it up at the top of their board, but up at the top of a lot

of experts boards. And Rob, I know you've been around the draft for quite some time now, have you remembered a draft at least immediately right after that we were as excited about than this one. I think Jerry Jones said it best. You know, two thousand and five to me was the last time you really wow, this could be a game changing type draft. And they've had good ones in the past, no question about it. Will McClay has done an outstanding job in this scouting department with

the Joneses. But I thought going into this draft the two thousand and five could this could be the first one since Z five that was so defensive minded. Now they got four defensive players out of seven, so not as much, but the value they got back then with d ware Spears, Chris Canny, and Jay Ratliffe, Mary and Barber were steals on what would have been Day three back then, the Cowboys did hit a home run here.

Based on everything you know about this year's overall draft class, and if they're doing it right, then they absolutely hit a home run because of the value that they think they got. I mean, like you said, Kyle, it was just pick after pick after pick where they felt like they got tremendous value. And the other thing that stands out to me is all seven picks, I think have an opportunity to have clear defined roles that they can go earn and on a team that's got a lot

of talent. That's impressive to me. And that's the thing with a draft is normally, whenever you get into Day three, you're you're looking to add depth, but you're also just looking for players that are going to make the roster. And out of the four of us on the show, only one players made and or one of us is

made an NFL roster. That's Isaiah standback. But do you agree with Rob and the fact that that there's all seven of these guys on the list not only have a chance to make a roster, but have a chance to have a role in doing so as well. Absolutely, I think that all these guys are gonna be able to contribute immediately. And you know, as as Rob said, you know these they stole. You know, if We're on a playground right now. This is what this is equivalent

to baby bounces. You know what I'm saying. You get to take this thing. You put this thing on the second deck. Uh. You know, those guys absolutely killed it this past weekend. You know, I think we touch on it last week. You know, we all felt that McCarthy had did his homework. You know, him and his crew did his homework. And you add that with Will and the rest of the crew and this is an absolute home round. I'm proud of these guys. I'm excited for all these young guys to be able to get in there.

And you know, none of them have pressure. That's the That's the other thing about this, right You guys were awesome paced right. The management took care of business. But these guys get to come in and play free. So you're going to have that separation between college to the pro at transition, but they don't have to do it with the pressure of having to be the guy. They have guys that are established, they are already, they have

a support system, they have great coaching. They get to come out here and just be free and you're going to see a lot more resemblance to what they did in college than which you typically would on this transition. And I feel like that's kind of one of those big plus sides to what the Cowboys did in free agency to kind of set themselves up for success whenever it came to drafting the best player available, whenever you needed to, you added depth of the defensive line, you

added depth in the secondary. So that way, whenever draft day came around, they weren't necessarily pulled in both directions because they had an opportunity to go with need with Klavan Chason at seventeen, and instead they went with best player available and see the l But heck by, I know, the cohesion in the unit between Will McClay, the scouting department, and then you add both the coaching staff and also the front office, all three of those together, it was

really in one unison voice whenever Draft Day came around Thursday, and it continued throughout the weekend. Yeah, these are the kind of drafts that the Cowboys can have year after year that it's going to build a championship foundation. I mean, what else can you say about Will McClay. I mean, his ears have been buzzing all week with all the good things that people have been saying about him Cowboy Nation, because again he put together one of the more solid

draft picks that we've had in a while. And like you, like Rob stated, I mean since oh five, where you go positioned by position and you can say, hey, this guy can make a contribution to this team immediately, and going into the draft, we knew exactly what we needed. We knew we needed an edge, we knew we needed a cornerback. And once it got to sixteen and you hit seventeen and you realize is the decision that had to be made between Ceedee Lamb and the man child

Kay Levan Chase On. I just believe that it was. That was an easy one, and Rob has shoved it down my throat best player available. So I understood. I understood at that point that, look, I knew exactly what we're gonna do because Ceedee Lamb is man. I can't wait to go into talking about this guy. I'm not shoot all my bullets right now, but I'm telling you I'm excited about what we did on traff It's been so hard to wait until today to talk to you guys. Bpa, Babypa,

Thank goodness. Rob Phillips is the voice of reason on it. Yah, we God knows where we needed. Now let's go pick my pick. I know you're excited and you're chopping at the bit, so I'll go right back to you hack my here in just a minute. But let's start with Ceedee Lamb, first round pick seventeen. The ultimate goal was to pick the best player available. You really wanted Calevan Chase on the fall. That was the player you had your eye on. Yes, that was exactly who you wanted

to fall to you. However, then you have Ceedee Lamb, who's by far the best receiver in the draft, or at least you could harold as the best receiver in the draft. Henry Robs, Jerry Judy went prior to Cede Lamb. But that was something that I don't think anybody expected really, other than the teams that might have drafted them. So the fact that Ceedee Lamb falls, he was the number six player on the Cowboys board. He was number six on my board as well, just so happened to be

that way. But moving on, you you're getting these picks, you're falling down the line, and all of a sudden, he's sitting there in your lap. At seventeen, they make this election and they add a wide receiver to this already stacked wide receiving corps with Amari Cooper, with Michael Gallup. Isaiah, you kind of went into this a moment ago talking about how there's not a ton of pressure on these guys because especially on Cede Lamb because of the fact

that they have some guys around him. But what's the transition going to be like for a professional receiver Cede Lamb going into a situation like this. Yeah, but I think he's gonna have a relatively smooth transition. I think he is going to have to really dive into the play, but really dive into film studies. Right, I'm not sure how much film study he did in college. I know he's coming from a great program. But once you make that transition, in that jump to the league, your slot receiver,

those guys are smart. They have to be smart because they have to be able to adjust what all the different zone blitzes. They have to be able to be the hot route. They have to be that safety net for your quarterback. So they don't they don't have as as lax of a position as the outside receivers do because they are that emergency guy next to the tight enk A lot of times, if they're bringing pressure, the tight end has to sit in there and block right.

So who's the next option Somebody in there that's gonna be shifting against those dropping lineman, dropping linebackers, or those safeties that are rolling down. So he's gonna have to be able to identify those things when it comes to coverages. But if he could pick that up, we already know what he can do when he has a ball in his hands. That's not going to be an issue at all.

I think all the Cowboy Nation is super excited about seeing him get that rock in his hand with the ability to be one on one, right, he's not gonna have two people on him all the time. He can't. Right, If you put two people on him the outside, you guys gonna kill you. If you guys want to sit back and play off covers, then we got this dude in the backfield who just happens is to know how to talk the rock. So there's gonna be a problem with Hi when that whole offense gets rolling. But that'd

be my tip to him. He needs to really get in there and watch some film and pick up on these crazy defensive coordinator schemes. Heck, well, look, man, I'm really excited about ceedee Lamb. Like you said, Man, there's no way I thought that we were going to have an opportunity to pick him up. I mean it's almost like the pretty girl in high school that you know you have no chance of dating. You know, someone asks you about himself. Oh she's all right, you know, because

you have no chance. I just I never thought that we would get this opportunity. And once he fell to us, you realize that as a player, he makes us ten times better on offense when he makes us ten times better on defense as well. And I explain it this way. When you get to those second and dates and you can run the ball and get a first down, look,

that changes the complexity of the game. It changes pace, field, position, ball control, all of those things we're gonna be able to do with that threat at the X and the slot. And if you're in the wide receiver meeting room, no one cares. I mean, I'm sure Cooper in Gallup, they don't care who's the X, who's the slot. All of these guys are going to contribute on offense. But what happens now is that defensive coordinators are not able to pinpoint one guy that they can stop. That safety in

the box is over with. If you bring us, will burn you down. If you bring this safety in the box to try and stop Zeke. And look for every defensive coordinator in the league, their number one objective is to stop the run. But now Dak Prescott has an embarrassment of riches as far as the talent at wide receiver and also in the backfield. And I'm just excited about what this offense is going to do going forward with Ceedee Lamb because the big playability from every position

is going to be there. You're right, heck, I mean you take a linebacker off the field, that's that's like a playground for ze I mean, let him, let him run wild, let him eat. And I said, they made a great point about the importance of the slot receiver. Think about what Cole Beasley was for Dak Prescott for his first couple of years in the league. And then you know, you know, Mike McCarthy would have liked to have Randall Cobb back just because of his history, how

how smart a player he Is. Obviously the price wasn't there and he's off to Houston. But but Ceedee Lamb could be that that safety blanket eventually for for Dak Prescott. The other thing I noticed watching him at ou he's a buck ninety five. He's not a big wide receiver, but he's a tough wide receiver. The guy can go up and make make tough contested catches. Uh, he's a he's a dangerous run after the catch guy, but also

can break tackles. I mean, he plays, he plays above his weight class, and he's just a really impressive prospect. I said, you know, bpa Is is definitely important. Best player available, but there was a need there. And when you can you can factor in the fact that you know a top six player on your board, that means that you think that guy could be a Berneal Pro Bowl type guy. They had to do it, and it was. It was really a no brainer and good decision by

this team. Rob. That's absolutely correct. Column mean to interrupt, but that's absolutely correct. When you talk about a guy with slight build, he's always making the first guy miss. But also when you're trying arm tackles, Ceede Lamb, when you look at the highlight tape. All he's doing is running through those those arm tackles and guys trying to game tackle him, he's running away from him. So one

ninety five he plays like he's two twenty. He was second in the country and miss tackles forced, which was twenty six miss tackles forced. I feel like half of those came in the Texas game at the Red River Rivalry, because it seemed like everybody that tried to tackle him that day was not having any luck. He was twelfth in the country in deep yards, fifth in yards after the catch. And he's also a hell of a blocker too. There's really no real hole to his game. He's got

a great catch radius, he's got the speed. Maybe, like Rob said, maybe you can knock the size a little bit, but you put him in an NFL strength and conditioning program, you can bump that up ten or fifteen pounds and you're doing just fine. So not totally worried about that. I think it was a miraculous pick. Now going back to the defensive side of the ball, and they were able to address two spots of crucial need in the

second and in the third round. Treybon Digs out of Alabama, taking in the second round fifty first overall, the Neville Gallimore the defensive tackle, third round, eighty second overall out of Oklahoma. Rob When it comes to Treybon Diggs, what kind of rotation are we going to see? What the cornerbacks that were already added to the roster. I know, Mare, He's Kennedy came in in the offseason, and you have guys like Jordan Lewis, Hidobe Aluisier, Anthony Brown. They've got

some guys in the quarterback spot. But then you go out and you add a second round talent that a lot of people might have had in the first. Yeah, you're right, Kyle. I mean I was a little I was very surprised, not a little surprised that he was there at fifty one. I think a lot of people thought early second round, you know, early thirties, if not in the first round, sneaking in the back there. It's great.

Competitions can speak to this. I'm sure that you can never have enough competition at every position, and they've got I mean, I don't know if we talked enough about the Cowboys having some veterans returning I think Anthony Brown coming back is big. The guy's basically been a starter for this team when he's been healthy. He's played a lot of nickel corner and has started some. Jordan Lewis takes advantage of his opportunities when he's in there. Cheeto

is a terrific talent. Mike McCarthy alluded to some of the corners being able to play safety. We'll see if maybe they try guys at a different spot. But Treymon's got a chance to come in and compete right away

for playing time, if not a starting role. I just love the size and the length because you know the wide receivers in this league, they get bigger, they get faster, they get stronger, and he's got the arm length and just everything measurable standpoint to be one of those press type corners that we've seen the past Cowboys regime on defense really like Chris Richard and apparently Al Harris, the new secondary coach. It's that type of corner. Two isah. I agree with you. I agree with you, Rob Man.

I mean, I think one of the things that you touched on that I want to emphasize his how linky he is right when you're as a professional receiver, the last thing you want to go against is a linky cornerback. It sucks. I can tell you that right now. I faced against you know, Grievous with his dog on grilla alarms. I faced Brandon Browner, you know Richard Sherman. These guys

they disrupt you, right. And when you have a front seven like the Cowboys have been able to establish now, like I've been mentioning on the show as a lake, they don't have to cover that long, right. So if I get a linky guy who comes up there, he could get his hands on me and disrupt me for even half a second. That is all you need because now that half a second eats up five yards that

he would have been down the field. Right. So you get these linky guys in there and you get their hands, you can stop somebody at the line of scrimmag or at least disrupt them. Now all of a sudden, you let those front seven dogs go crazy, and you don't have to cover for dong, right. And that's one of the things that I don't want mean to snitch on your sherm, but that's one of the reasons why he's

been so good for so long. Right, he gets on it, he puts his hands on any guess what he gets back And by the time that you get into your route, you gotta cover sack. How about that? He's taking shots of Richard Sherman out there right away? Shots fired. Right. But hey, I'll say it to you. Say it like this, Isaiah Trey von dix is is phone booth ready, right. This guy can play a close proximity. He's such an

instinctive guy. And watching him, man, and just seeing the way that he has that you know, for a dB, he has a natural clock in his head where if you see a receiver, god plast fifteen yards and you don't take that jab staff, he knows you're already going, you're going long. He does really good things as far as anticipating. But one of the great things that I see from him on film is his ability to keep that right hand or his inside his outside hand excuse me,

always tapping on that receiver's risk. I mean, receivers hate that because it throws off your running motion. But he's always staying in your hip pocket and on those you know, those hot routes, he's always taking his outside hip to your inside hip and breaking up that slant. So he's a kind of he's the kind of dB that can

make plays for us. And it's a fifty fifty ball with Treyvon Diggs once it's in the air out Man, he was another guy fifty one that I was really shocked that he failed to us because, as Rob was said, this guy had a first round grade on him, and everybody did not no one, well, no one expected him to drop to the second round, and we got it. Man, I'm so happy to hap him, but I'm more excited to talk about the next guy. Can we talk about Nevil Galla more Man. Yeah, we'll talk about Neville and

I'll start with you. But before that, I do want to say, you look at Treyvon Diggs and kind of the resume he put up at Alabama. He was the highest rated corner in press coverage according to Pro Football Focus in twenty nineteen. He's a converted wide receiver and he uses that and going off of what Heckmone was just saying, keeping that right arm and that hip locked in with a receiver, I think that comes from being a wide receiver for previously before he converted to being

a lengthy corner. He might get beat by a step or two, but he's never gonna let go of that wide receiver and he uses the link to his advantage. Plus one underrated part of this draft pick. He returns kicks, and he can return kicks, and he has in the past something now you can potentially look at if you didn't want to throw Ceedee Lamb as your kick returner, which I still think would be a ton of fun.

Now let's go to Newville Galimar. Heck, well, you want to talk about your defensive tackle out of Oklahoma, go for it. Here, here's your floor. Go for it, oh Man, big and nasty. I love it. I mean, when you guys were at the Senior Bowl, Kyw you talked about Neville Galimore being a guy that was a dog there and just seeing his practices and dominating guys. That's exactly

what we need here in Dallas. We need those big, nasty guys up front and you now, I mean it pushes everything you guys talked about the competition that's gonna happen in two days with Poe Gallimore Woods He'll, I mean, this is going to be a very competitive group that when you get this those they'll starting eleven. The guys that are gonna come behind them, that's gonna that are come in, They'll be just as ampth and just as

motivated to complete the assignment as those guys. I can't wait because now what it does is it makes it for us at the cornerback position, now at the edge rush position. Also with our D lineman, we have guys that can spell other guys, so we're always gonna be fresh on defense. I'm excited. I'm just Gallimore is a guy that I'm really excited about. And the traps on this guy, man, it just see I mean, I don't know it was he. I mean he had met a shrug, he didn't like I don't this guy can win. I

don't know contests in any city. Man, don't tell you you see that? Man? What is up with that? Heck? Man? I mean total agrees with you. I can tell you. Competition is absolutely everything. And you know, obviously brought us some veterans and at that interior D lineman position position. But when you have some young some young guns that are hungry and they have that crazy drive and that Tenay's just that nastiness to this, like like this man

has it takes though. It elevates everybody's gameplay, right, because in this league, it's supposed to be best players, best players on the field. Right. So if you have these veterans that are in there, and these guys are getting paid a lot of money and they're they're comfortable in the position, but you got this young dog that wants to eat right now, guess what you have to do. I gotta get out of the rocking chair and I gotta get on this field. I gotta put the fork

in again. Right. I gotta remember who I was as a young buck, because this guy is driving me and making me better. And guess what, I'm gonna respect that. And by respecting that, now I'm gonna be more optetitious, young man, how to get to where I'm at? Right? So, I think that this interior D lineman and touching our hext point in terms of these guys being able to rotate through on some of the better teams that I've been on, We've we've had that right when I was

here in Dallas. You know, you gotta touched on Spears and Rat and Hatch and all those guys. Our D line was stupid, right, It didn't matter who was in the game. You knew that you're gonna have a problem. Right when I was in New York and we won a Super Bowl, we had a whole plethora of defensive alignment. You hated it. Right. As an offensive lineman, you'd never get a break, and people forget that, right, D lineman, get d lineman, get the substitute. Right, So that's a

hext point. We're always fresh as an officsive linement. If you're on the field for a twelve thirteen play drive, you've been on the play for twelve and thirteen plays, right, you don't get to come out the game. So guess what you're You're every play you're getting worse and worse because you get more fatigue, your muscular fatigue. You guys are getting you know, a cardiovascular more mortigue, and more fatigue.

So when you bring in these dogs are they're coming in Dade, you're ready to eat who you have a problem on your hands. That's what we got. He's absolutely right. Isaiah's absolutely right. Competition everything. He's listed at three hundred pounds, but man, he looks and plays bigger than that. I mean, he's a powerful defensive lineman kind of what they're looking for with Poe and McCoy and those guys. I just

love the value. When the Cowboys got to round two on Friday, they had a short list of guys that were a top remaining guys and Trayvon Diggs was one and Gallimore was one two and to get him, however, mini picks later eighty two, eighty second overall pick, that is right right there. That's a home run draft. Like, that's a home run draft right there when you factor in their other two picks and we're going to get into what they did after that, but those three right

there to get that type of value is big, just huge. Well, and you also mentioned how he plays bigger than he looks or even bigger than what he's listed at and then he goes out and he runs a four seven nine forty yard dash at the combine and he shows off the latter ability on film. I think it's it's perfect. It's exactly what Mike Nolan wants to work with. It's the kind of versatile lineman that is going to help

push that forward. And I loved Isaiah's point on the competition because one of the first phone calls that Neville Gallimore got and received after he had been selected by the Cowboys. Gerald McCoy also in Oklahoma, alum but Gerald McCoy reached out to him and had a conversation with Gallimore, saying, Hey, let's get to work. Let's do some damage with that defensive line. And I like that a lot. Now something else I like a lot, and I do have to

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draft picks to continue talking about here. We talked through days one and two, but Day three was another great day. Like rob Men in the last segment, it seemed like it was a home run from the get go. First three picks right off the bat. They didn't really matter what they did the rest of the draft. It would have been a home run anyways because of the value that they were able to select those guys at. Instead, they come out Day three and do much of the

same as they did Days one and two. Reggie Robinson the second a Cleburne product, cornerback out a toll so Tyler Bottish the final pick of the fourth round. After the Cowboys traded with the Philadelphia Eagles, they traded next year's fifth round pick and then their fifth round pick this year to go up and get the center from Wisconsin. Tyler Bottish, Bradley and I the defensive end out of Utah folds all the way down to the fifth round.

A lot of people had him in the third, including Dane Brugler and much of the guys on the Draft show. As Bradley and I falls to the fifth, they select him the edge who was the defensive MVP at the Senior Bowl. And then Ben Danucci quarterback from James Madison. He started off at Pittsburgh, went to James Madison and actually played his last collegian game just down the road at Toyota Stadium in Frisco where FC Dallas plays, So he's got the Frisco Ties. They've seen him up in

close in person. And then they had a slew of undrafted free agents, which we'll talk about here in a minute. But guys kind of go through some of these picks here and there, and we'll start with you, Rob, which one of the four picks kind of stuck out to you on Day three as something that could absolutely help the Cowboys in twenty twenty, Bradley and I and you said it, Kyle into the fifth round with a compensatory

pick to me's. That shouldn't happen that a guy that's a consensus All American pass rusher at such a key position falls to you that far. And he told us in the conference call afterwards that he thinks it's his forty time, which I think was four nine three maybe something like that in Indianapolis. That probably dropped him. And you guys tell me, I don't I don't know if that if that should be indicative of what a guy

can do at a defensive end in the NFL. I know, you know, the first step is huge, fast twitch, all those things. But this is a very productive guy at Utah from a technique standpoint. He's got bend for a right end from what I've seen on tape of him. And I just think he's got a chance to be the key to the draft in a lot of ways, just because of the fact that that the Cowboys didn't

take an edge rusher early. Now, if this guy can develop into a re a contributor or a starter, then any argument about taking Ceedee Lamb at seventeen is completely moot. If this guy can pan out and be a contributor. Yeah, we could not lose in the draft. Man. When Bradley and I fell to us, it was like, can they get any better? Once we got him? And I mean the production is there, rob When you know, when you see a guy that's doing it in college. You already

know that all of those things are transferable. Now. The people that look at specs and say, hey, he ran a four to nine and all this talk about his short little arms, all I see is him sacking people and grab it. And he's done that his whole career. And so I'm so happy to see that we got him.

He's gonna make the team by on special teams. He's gonna be a contributor there and then again having those other guys in that rotation, He's going to be a special player for us man because he definitely was specially Utah man. Both of you guys. I love you guys, because this is the guy that I'm most excited about out of anybody I know. We talked about a lot of high draft picks. But this dog right here has a bolt turn, all right. Boy as a motor boy out of V twelve in there, and he doesn't run

it all all right. He I love everything about him. Yes, he ran a four to ninety seven. Yes, it costs him a lot of money. He gonna need to get a different trainer or something next around. But yes, but he gets off the ball a little slope right now, that's what I'm seeing on film. Obviously he doesn't have that top end speed, but again he's defensive end right, because defense in when he does get off the ball,

his closing speed is ridiculous. Right. If you guys go back and turn on YouTube whatever it is you guys need to watch to watch film, go back and not only number one, watch his motor watching. He doesn't stop once the play starts. And I want you guys to watch his closing speed once he sees an opportunity that he can close in and get a play on the quarterback or running back or and making anything happen in

the backfield. The boy gets from point A to point B in no time flat, and that's all that really matter. That just happened. Didn't have to pay for it, you know. So it's stimulate way he reminds me of Crosby. Sorry going off of that though, I mean, you're talking about the motor, and you're talking about the production, and you're talking about everything that makes Bradley and I good. Yes, the forty times low. Yes, the arms are a little bit shorter than you want, and teams sometimes are afraid

of short armed, slower pass rushers. However, he's a tank and he's durable or three straight seasons a four hundred plus passing or pass rushes rather and he barely came off the field. I mean, this is a guy who only had four offers coming out of high school, was just a three star recruit. And then he goes to Utah and Rob already mentioned he's a consensus All American. He's been doubted his entire life, and now he's doubted again. He falls in your lap in round five. I have

nothing negative to say about the selection. I thought it was perfect. It was exactly what the Cowboys needed. You add some of the edge rushing depth, and you still have Alden Smith and Randy Gregory that could pop out and hopefully get reinstated from the league, and all of a sudden, you've got a surplus of right defensive end with Tyrone Crawford even thrown in the bank. So you have a ton of options with that defensive line. Before before you move on, I want everybody notice to the

to the attitude ship of this defense. Right, I'm coming back to them, going back to the last few years. Right, look at what they did at the linebacker position. All those guys have high motors, right, they all have high motors. They all have positive attitudes, and they're all nasty. Right. So it's it's starting that that whole, that whole character, that the whole character of that of that side of the ball is changing a little bit at a time.

And I think through this draft they solidified it even more. Right, look at the guys they even got on the office, right, you got you got, you got, you got Traymon over there. Now you got Lamb on the on the squad as well. All these guys have a little nasty tom and you have to have that. And that's what they remember that the old cowboys teams that you used to women to bring all the rings home, that's what they had, right, they had. But they all had a little nasty tour.

And I'm liking I'm liking the picks. I'm liking the free agent acquisitions that they put because of all these guys that we mentioned. Just think about how hard they play. Think about how hard they play, and think about what happens whenever they get either the ball in their hand or they have opportunity to goad and make a play on somebody at taping them absolutely and kind of going back off of that a little bit, Isaiah, you mentioned you just want dogs, you want some nastiness in these

picks that you're you're selecting. Is this something that kind of stemmed from Mike McCarthy. I know you we have talked on end and end about it leading into the draft. What kind of impact is Mike McCarthy gonna have? Do you think maybe the front office kind of said, okay, scouting department and coaching staff, you guys get together, you work this out, and that's where the fluidity came from to have a draft as special as they did. Absolutely,

I think. I mean Mike McCarthy, he had a little nasty to him, right, You can tell him he walks, right, he got a little nasty to him, right. You know, he's a pricking in a sword, right, And that's okay, right, that's perfectly fine. Right. But look at the rest of

the coaches, right. We talked about Al Harris. Al Harris was a pest at corner, right, talk about you know when we talk about skip, we talk about the strip coaches, right, all these guys kind of got a little little, little little sum on the shoulder right that they want to shreve off. So I think from the top down, I think Jerry and Steven and those guys, they were able to say, Hey, go out here, do what you want to do. And McCarthy was like, oh yeah, let's go

ahead and build this engine. You got to design. Credit to Will McClay as well at the same time, Oh yeah we'll kill it. Yeah we're good. But Kyle was I was just basically just wanted to make piggyback off of what you're saying, that that whole attitude and seeing the type of guys that they are drafting. They all have that edge, you know, and have that that chip on their shoulder. And that's the kid from Tulsa, Robertson the third from Cleveland another just dog, a guy that

is all effort, all heard. Guy, has a high motor, very aggressive, and is going to be an immediate contributor on special teams. I mean, so you look at the Cowboys and where they finished last year as far as the way that they ranked on special teams, they were at the bottom of the league. You see some of these draft picks being able to do more than one things. They are dual players, Like you talk about Dick's being

able to be a punt returner. You talk about Robinson the third being a gunner all of these games even to nine, being able to contribute on kickoff return, kickoff, things like that. All of these guys are gonna come in immediately with a role that can impact wins and losses. Rob what do you think about the addition and the double dip at the corner spot. I love the pick of Reggie Robinson because one, if you wanted to build a corner, he would be the frame that you would

build it with. Not only that, but he's also a playmaker. Had four interceptions last year. He's a local tie, he's got some quickness with a four four forty. But I also kind of want to throw in the question of you double dipped a corner. What's the plan at safety? Now? Oh well, that's always the million dollar question around here. What are they gonna do it? What are they gonna do at safety? We look quick on Robinson. You mentioned this stats last year and it always jumps out to me.

A guy that just gets better and better in college. He was a four year guy. He stood out at the Senior Bowl and you mentioned his four picks and I think his seventeen pass breakups were among the best at the FBS level, so it was a major jump in production. And so maybe he's an ascending player. And Heckma spoke to his special team's ability at safety, we'll see. I mean, I referenced, you know, McCarthy saying in the post draft press conference they've got some corners they think

can maybe shift over there. But I think you know, they also maybe they're not done looking in free agency. But I think I think they feel good about Hahak Clinton Dix, I really do. I know he's on a one year deal, but I think his experience playing for Mike McCarthy, there's probably more of a comfort level with that roster edition than there would be with otters. And I think I think he's a guy that is probably

a little more versatile than we think. And they feel pretty good about it, and maybe they just didn't feel pressed to have to reach and address it. There. Which corners if you were looking at it, rob which corners would you think would be more successful at the safety position if that switch would be made well. Robinson, I think, in particular, is a guy they mentioned that is capable of doing it, just because of his size and his frame Geo, I think played corner a little bit at Colorado.

And I'm not saying he's gonna make that switch, because I think he's got the talent to be a cover guy, a productive cover guy in the NFL at corner. But I think you know he's done it, at least at the college level. If they were going to look at it and have a felt like they had a log jam at corner, maybe that's a possibility. And those are the two that kind of stood out to me. Let me add this, guys, when they talk about moving a

guy like Cheeto or maybe Robinson too. Safety. The thing with safeties in the NFL these days, they're playing close to this line of scrim is just like corners, and so especially when you go to those you know, four and five receiver were set. So to say that a guy is gonna move to the safety position really is the same much because it's not safety in the general terms of what you're thinking surveying the middle of the field. Safety, Yeah,

I don't I don't think that. I think Cheto is gonna be the guy that has to make the move. If anybody, I don't think they're gonna ask any of these two rookies to come in and change their position. Right. It's enough coming to the to the NFL and trying to trying to pick up speed that way. So I think she would be the one that has to make the move him with haha. Like I said, the how these guys are are manipulating and forming this defense right now. They're not going to be asked to come up and

feel a bunch of gaps. They're not gonna have to the gaps or feel by them bigger but the big jokers up front right at the point, and you know you got Lee Smith and and freaking the Wolf running side to side, they're not gonna have to feel a lot of gaps. They're gonna allow for those guys to sit back. They're gonna let the front seven due to work. I think we're gonna see a lot more double two high safeties because you're not gonna need to add the pressure.

The pressure should be already Um and Minister or by those guys. So I think, you know, as aggressive as as Mike, no one wants to be on defense. I think that he's gonna let those guys do it. And by adding some of these guys like like well, who we have here, uh Gallimore, you know, with his his presence to be able to push and that acceleration on

the interior D linement. They're not going to be allowed to switch off as office alignment right when these D linemen are running stunts and they're running crosses and tts and all these things. These office alignment like to pass it off right so that they don't have to move it and then they can work together. And they're not going to be able to do that when these guys are getting this vertical pressure right, and then you're gonna have those three dogs behind them that are able to

feel those gaps too. So I don't think these these safeties are going to be asked to do too much, but be just that safeties for safety nets for the corners. Thank goodness, you finally get some pressure defensively and then all of a sudden you're secondaries better. It's funny how those things work in cohesion whenever year you have it

that way. Now, really quickly, before we take our second break, the Cowboys did add another quarterback, Ben de Nucci out of James Madison University, and I don't think this says anything about the dack situation. If that's a reach that people want to take, so be it. I don't think that's even the remotely the case. I think this says a lot about the Cooper Rush situation and exactly what

they're thinking with the backup quarterback situation. Now there's three other names in that backup quarterback conversation with Cooper Rush. Now you've got Ben d Nucci and then Clayton Thorson at the same time. So what do we think thinking overall about the backup quarterback spot and who could potentially win that job going into this season. I love the guy's name, Ben d Nucci. Man, Yeah, great name name. Let's get to let's get TV, let's get T shirts

Ben d Nucci. Ben. Then I don't know, man, let me market this for you, guys, man, because when they

took him, and that's our crazy. That's how much we are craving football when the seventh round pick of your team is getting pubbed up because look when they when they I've retweeted it in the Nucci come on, baby, you know it's it's amazing that we are able to still solidify that backup position by getting a guy like Ben de Nucci and like you know, out of James Madison and a guy that I believe started his career

at the University of Pittsburgh. And so there are those ties between him and Mike McCarthy, another pit guy, and so look, I expect for him to be special. Looking at his game tape from James Madison, he's a running quarterback. He had does have a pretty serviceable arm as well. But you know, look, we don't really get a lot of opportunity to even look at our backup quarterbacks, you know,

besides preseason, in just those games. So it would be nice to at least have that sense of mind of knowing that if anything does go wrong, we have a guy that can step in and we don't skip a beat. Yeah, I think what gives him a chance. When you're a backup quarterback, he gotta be you gotta be accurate. And I think he was a seventy percent passer at James Madison. Make good decisions, he said. Heck, he's he's mobile and he can he can buy some time as well. So

he's got some tools. I mean, seventh round pick. Uh, you know, he he was up kind on that edge of being a priority free agent or seventh round pick. But he's got some traits that you look for in a quarterback. And the other thing I would just point out is, yes, there could be some competition there now with Cooper Rush, but with the new CBA, there are

fifty five spots now. So Cowboys have been going with, you know, two quarterbacks here and there in part because they're trying to get you know, maybe an extra offensive lineman, maybe an extra defensive lineman. This young guy's got an opportunity to maybe make the team as a third quarterback if he can show enough in training camp. I think that's an interesting aspect in there too. Go for it. Isaiah's no like that point. I mean, you know you're

bringing this CBA into this um. But I think I think, you know, de Nucci, I think he's probably the most like deck anybody is that you can really compare him to it, and in that quarterback group right now, I think he's really poised. Watching his film, He's poised. He's confident in pocket. He has a little swag to him. Uh you know, he, like you said, he is mobile. He can buy himself some time. So I like him. He's an accurate passer. I think he can work on

his velocity a little bit more. But aside from that, I like the kid and I think that he's gonna fit well in that QB room. Uh, you know, I think Dad's still learning a lot too. I think Dac made huge strides last year worth obviously John Kitton that coaching him up, and now he gets the opportunity to work underneath this dude named Mike McCarthy, So I think he's pretty excited about that. So I think I think I think it's a good, good room that they have there.

We're gonna see exactly how it plays out in the camp. You know, it's all about getting those reps, you know, early on in campus and when these guys need to establish themselves because at that to tell end of camp, you get you don't you get the practice squad reps at that point. And I think with Ben de Nucci, I agree with you and the fact that he's more like that Dak than than both Cooper Rush and Clayton Thorson. And I also like how he doesn't shy away from contact,

but he's built enough to do so. He's there's a couple of his clips on film where he's going up against a secondary either player or a linebacker. I don't know what position they were playing originally, whenever the collision was made, but he would lower his shoulder and he would go right into him, whether it was at the goal line and for a first down. Kind of reminded me of Dack a little bit. I'm not saying there's

similar players. I'm not even putting a comp in there, but the fact that he's built that way and he's not shying away from contact and he's not afraid to run at the same time kind of reminded me of that and the sense as well. So there's are seven selections for the Dallas Cowboys in the twenty twenty NFL Draft.

Hasn't been a whole lot of negative set about it because there's not a whole lot of negative to go to, because it's one of the greatest drafts we've remembered since Rob said two thousand and five, maybe maybe the best draft. But only time will tell whether or not this draft was as good as we think it is at the moment. However, even with all of the talent that has been added throughout the course of the draft, the Cowboys aren't done just yet. You gotta get to that fifty five man roster.

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here of Talking Cowboys here on this Tuesday morning. Glad you're with us, Kyle Yeoman's Rob Phillips, heck Ma Harrison and Isaiah stand back and God it remind you about this season the sixtieth birthday for our Dallas Cowboys, and we know that you all have birthdays out there to celebrate too, So our partners at Main Event are here to help even in these virtual times. They have a new platform called Birthday with Me. We've talked about it before here on the show, where you can go online,

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coming up. We've got we've got some undrafted free agents to talk about here in a couple of seconds, but we're gonna answer some Twitter questions, and the first question asked what aspect did you guys all appreciate the most when it comes to the new virtual draft format, at least the one that they went by this year. What would you like to keep and what would you like to discard from the virtual draft if you have to either do it again or maybe even you could take

something from it and move it along forward. I like I like how human everybody was, right. I like the fact that you can see everybody in their environment, in their element. You see, you know that they're not up here and you're down here like their kids were, you know, walking up with them and hugging them, giving them high fives.

You can see the pattern, right, You guys get to see exactly you know so so much of this, And in terms of coaches, you're away from your family so much, and the family is just as invested as the coaches are, right, and the management is so when you guys had everybody had an opportunity to see exactly how invested those family members were. You can see how excited they were when the picks came up. You can see how happy they were for their coaches or the main or the managers,

whoever it was, so I like that aspect. The aspect I would like to get away away from and do away with is the girlfriends. We can do without the girlfriends. They had a rough week, to know that about it. There was a rough week and involved with that. God. Yeah, well you know what, man, I want to tell you. That's what Isaiah said about, you know, just humanizing people

and seeing you know, the excitement and the joy. Guys in the living room with their family kin law man, I don't know if that was his uncle or who that was, and got on the floor and rolled and that's joy. That's joy that you could only get family members. I have uncles that would have embarrassed me, but embarrassed

me like that, and I just enjoyed seeing that. I mean, but all of the other things that as far as like the coaches, seeing them with their families and seeing them have that opportunity in their element to enjoy this part with their families, because man, that never happens. These guys are in war rooms, isolated and in there for days making these picks, and look because we're craving sports so much. I mean, even the guys the third round picks got shown some love, you know, fourth round, and

so I thought that was amazing. I don't know if it'll continue next year when obviously praying that things return to normal with all the sports that will be all and I just it showed how valuable the NFL product is to all of us, because I don't know about you, I was glued into my television all the way through to myster irrelevant. Yeah, And I think one thing that you got to add to the craziness of it all was the fact that they still had a way to

get fans involved in Now. One other thing I do want to add to to Heckma's point before we get Rob's answer on this, was that Javon Kinlaw, the man who fell onto the floor, that was his father and it was his dad, actually it was his god. And it was his reaction because he was a lifelong forty nine Ers fan and he got drafted by Francisco. So it oh, yeah, of it and you have the fandom and the families. I thought it was absolutely incredible. Robo.

I don't know if his dad. I don't think his dad would have did that if he was at Radio City, Vegas. But it was cool. To see him do that. Man, that was awesome. It was you got you guys nailed it. I mean I love seeing Roger Goodell on a T shirt. Yes, yes, how it slumped over he was though at the end of the at the end of day one, I didn't see that. I didn't see that. I wasn't I was more watching the checking the tracker more than watching the

actual broadcast. But but you were watching on Dallas Cowboys com. It's fine, yes, absolutely, And but yeah, I mean seeing a guy making forty million bucks a year hanging out in his T shirt and in his man cave announcing picks. I mean it was it was almost surreal and it was just it was cool. And like Isaiah said, it

humanized everybody. Um, I would like I mean, I think like Heckma said, I want everybody to get back to normal, have have the first rounders have an opportunity to walk the stage and meet the commissioner and have their moment on TV. I think that's I think we all want to get get back to that and and try and do these virtual press conferences. Not easy too, because I

tried to ask Jerry. I tried to ask Jerry a question in the post draft press conference, and all you could hear was my baby screaming, screaming over the airwaves. So if we could get back to the normal press conferences too one day, that'd be great too. One the one thing I think I could do away from throughout the course of the draft was whenever they I liked how they had the fans involved in the background where they had the different video feeds up there on the

TV screen. I hated the Roger Goodell sitting here and trying to pump them up throughout the course of it because it was really kind of cheesy and it looked weird. It was like, oh, cool, there's fans here, but why

are you trying to do this? I don't know. It wasn't for me, but overall, I thought it was a great job by the NFL and a huge shout out to all the IT departments that were involved, because there was a ton of work that went into it, both on the team side and on the league side to even get that all taken care of without of a hit or without a hitch. Because it went off without a hitch, at least at the moment, that's what it

seems like. And that was impressive in itself. Now, one final question before we wrap things up, and this has to do or. This comes from Anthony Villanueva on Twitter and he says, what are the odds that the Cowboys go after a veteran defensive end, whether it be by a trade or by free agency before camp? And he says, I think that they are a solid vet away from being pretty and on defense. What do you guys say, I don't. I don't think we have to. I don't

honest say, I know. I know he's gonna gonna knock this on the other part, but I don't think that we have to go grab one now. I think we got a young gun now that's gonna be able to come in and compete. Uh. But I also think that we you know that that Jerry and the crew have two guys that they have to try to get off the suspension latest, right, So I think at that point you're rolling the dice, right, you got fifty fifty chance that you're gonna have one dog on the field. It's

kind of like it's kind of like Dennis Roban. He's gonna failure every player. They're not gonna call every fat, right, So he's gonna have to let somebody play. So you might not you might not get both of those guys back, but you're gonna get one of those veterans back that are absolutely madmen on the on the edge. And then you pair that up with what you've done on the

interior alignment, and I think you're all set. So I think that they're gonna roll the dice and hope that they get one, if not two, of those guys officers I mentioned, and then they got a real problem on their hands. Yeah, this is a situation for the Cowboys defense. You you know that they're not satisfied yet with the personnel that they have, and so they're going to be a number of contingency plans in place, because if you don't you're not able to get one of those guys

back from suspension. That's gonna put you in a position of where you have to add another piece to that, whether it be through free agency here in the next couple of months or after training camp, because they're going to be a number of guys that are going to be cut at that point. But you know, the Cowboys have a really good problem on their hands. Whereas just three months ago or no two weeks ago. You know, we're looking at a defense that was decimated by free agency.

Now you have some guys that are plug and play guys, rookie guys, even those veteran guys with Poe and McCoy. So look, you know there's I say to answer that question, to answer that fans question, Yeah, we will do that, but it's all going to be contingent on guys getting

reinstated into the league. Yeah, you guys nail it. And typically, you know, when they would have in person workouts and practices, OTAs and all that, which we don't know this point, I would say they usually will say, hey, let's let's see what the young guys could do. We've got an eye. We like him. I think they signed or have agreed to terms with like four edge rushers. So they've got some young guys, including a Rondell Carter's a guy that they really liked and could have been the pick in

the seventh round. But yeah, throwing the guys that could be reinstated to Smith and Gregory and you know they can get back into it. You and Tyrone Crawford gets healthy, You've got the makings of a rotation. Now you really do it. And just to go off of that, the names that they did add, at least on the edge in terms of the defensive line, Ladarius Hamilton out of North Texas. They got my Texas right behind me on my board. So, but Ladarius Hamilton out of North Texas,

who I really do like. And I know I'm a little biased, and I've seen him play probably more than any of the other recruits in the country, but I do like him. And then Rondelle Carter, like Rod just or Rob just mentioned, I think he could add a little bit of a rotation there as well. Now to go through some of these other list of names, and these aren't confirmed yet, nothing official from the Cowboys. This

is all reported. You've got guys like Luther Kirk, the safety out of Illinois State, A zur Kamara linebacker out of Kansas who's just got a magnificent story and we'll talk about him probably next week. Francis Bernard, a linebacker out of Utah who hecked by. I know you've at least had some interest in the in the past as well. Yeah,

I love that guy. He was a running back. He came into college as a running back at by You ran into some problems there, then transferred a guy that is a you know, look, he had another one of those Utah high molder guys. He plays, plays the game that it plays, the linebacker position the way that it's supposed to be played. Free undrafted free agent that fell until our lap. Another guy that's going to be a

special team's contributor. I'm really excited about him. They added a trio of wide receivers as well, Stephen Gjury out of Mississippi State and Parker, a long, lengthy Rhode Island product at receiver, and then Kendrick Rogers from Rob's Texas A and m Aggie's what's your quick scouting report on Rogers there? Rob big fan of him, big fan of him. I mean he almost he almost beat clemsoned by himself a couple of years ago. Really really talented guy. I

would add one more. They did agree to turns with a safety. There is a safety in this group. A fifth yea Lucia kirk Had of Illinois State. I think he was the VP of the East West Shrine Game, so he was. He's got some, he's got some talented very easily could have been a late round selection and they added some depth at the tackle spot. Two Terrans steal both of the tailbacks from TCU that were in

the draft class, Darius Anderson aka Jet Anderson. And then you've got Sewo a loan of Lua, the fullback from boy Boy You a Badman. Yeah, and then uh tight ends they add Charlie Tompeal from Portland State and Sean McKeon from Michigan. So that's at least the short list of the guys that we have talked to and agreed to her terms to, or at least had reports of signing with the Cowboys following the NFL Draft. But that is going to do it here for talking Cowboys here

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