Talkin' Cowboys: A Dak Discussion

the favorite chip and the favorite dip. Yeah, you got talking can get my air cars in there? Air cars, my bad. I gotta I gotta remember not to just fly through that. I got to make sure and get the chip and get the dip, just like we always have here on Talking Cowboys, and just like we have been for the last couple of years. We've got Rob pe Island back in the building, home safe from Washington. Welcome back, sir, good to be whoa gosh, good to be here, to be good to be back, good to

be back. We've got Isaiah stand Back, heck My Harrison, Chris Beam as always, I'm Kyle Yemen's Rob What was it like getting back for you yesterday? Was it a just a hassle or was it what happened there? Oh we missed our flight Sunday night? Why was that? Just keep it simple. We were trying to catch a flight out of Baltimore after the game, okay, and we almost made it. But you know, that game lasted a little

longer than we'd hoped. You know, I was hoping they could just run the clock out handed to Zeke like forty times and get out of there. Didn't happen. Got a new flight. Props to the our travel staff, Tiff, and he did a great job. Awesome. Yeah, yeah, she's fantastic. But it was funny because we were talking about that in studios, like, man, this game is taken forever. Even then, even before the fourth quarter, you were talking about there were twelve minutes left in this game. This is nuts.

Why is it? Why is this taking so long? And then he got into the final parts of the fourth quarter where there was an actual comeback and there was actually a game. It was dragged one. So no rough riders, No, we got fights breaking out. You know, things happen, you know, rivalries. Yeah, it wasn't a clean three hour game. That's okay, not at all. We're gonna talk about it today. It was

no drag on best bars right there. I was like, come on, okay, heck, I just gave him in the stak face in a good way, in a good way. But everybody doing all right today? Peachy bro peachy. We get to talk to Cowboys Nation again. Today, always one of our favorite days. We win, we win, we won the game. How the Cowboy Nation gonna feel? That is my question? It's so up and down right now. I'm really trying to figure out do you think it's gonna be more negative or more POSI I'm waiting to see.

I really am waiting to see this. I want to see after we have this news from from rat Pi. Oh, we'll get the news and notes, but I want to hear. Do you think it's gonna be positive or negative? I think it really depends. Only think it's gonna be Yeah. Well, I mean with your Twitter notification does get a little negative. So let's go ahead and jump into it. News and notes were Rob Phillips, what's going on? What did we learn yesterday? Cedric Wilson's got COVID. Unfortunately he tested positive.

Um got a chance to be back this week. I guess if you test negative and all that twice in a twenty four hour period doesn't have symptoms. So we'll see there. Um and Tyrann Smith will not play against the Giants tackle So it's just plugging plugging holes on the ship man. So they did an MRI yesterday. They said everything looked good. Obviously it's the same ankle that he's been dealing with the issues on, so it's just worse than what was already bad. I'm trying to figure

out what spread doesn't go away? Is that what it is? Or was it? Yeah? Which what's it? I think it's both. I think I think he had the high ankle and I think he's those spurs like you've been saying, they

don't they don't go away. So Um, but it looked like he got rolled up on right, Yeah it was yeah, Now walking he looked like he was walking okay post game afterwards, So and Jerry was on the fan just now and it didn't sound like they're concerned about him, you know, moving forward into the postseason, assuming they can get there. Um, I don't know how long this is gonna last. Certainly this week he will not play, and he indicated that Terrence Steele will be your starting left

tackle on Sunday. Already gave that information up about sick. Yeah, who do you replace him with? And you know, it's interesting because they started with Niseki right, Yeah, And I wonder if that had to do with Hey, Terrence Steele had COVID coming off the COVID list. Let's not throw too much at him his first week back. And then uh, and then when Lyle down, they had no choice but to go with both backups. Now, I thought Lyle went

down prior to he went down the game. Yeah, he left the game at one point, and Terren Steele came in at right tackle. He did yes early in the game, and then at left tackle when Tyrn went down, it was automatically seventy nine and seventy eight was on the other side. So Tyrn happened after Lyle's ejection. Chris Beam fact check it. We're gonna have to go back and

look at it either way either way. I mean, I want to say, before the ejection, there was a time where seventy nine was at the left tackle and ty and Secky and then you had Terren Steele at the right tackle, but I have to go I'm gonna have to go back and look at it. I didn't chart it or okay, so well, that would have been interesting obviously if if Tyren Smith goes down and instead of coming off with steel, they come up with in ski and then you know, in the other orders. So I

don't know. I guess that that does bring an interesting wrinkle. But he could come up if there is some discipline handed down by the NFL. Now, I don't think the NFL, or excuse me, the Cowboys believe the NFL is going to bring down any sort of discipline on Lyle Collins, right, they don't anticipate it, or maybe it's just up in the air. According to NFL Network, he will not be suspended. Okay,

now I want to say. NFL Network reported Tristan Hill wouldn't be suspended either for the Raiders punch, and he was. But oh, I mean this, I think this is a little different. I don't know. I didn't I'm sorry. I only caught like ten minutes of the show driving home. Yes, okay, um, but I don't know how much I'll touched him. But this was different. This is in the field of play,

things get heated. I think the thing that got Tristan Hill was he waited for Simpson after the game midfield bike racks, bro, Yeah, like three o'clock bike racks, And that's what got him suspended. He was about that life. Yeah, and it was outside of the field of play. No whistles were being blown. There's not supposed to be any physicality, whereas the heat of the moment really kind of was what was Lyle? You respect more both, do you Tristan or Lyle? Lyle? For sure? But based off of what

happened didn't happen last year? Yeah? Yeah, I'm why what do you think you think Tristan Hill was warrant Tristan about that life. Obviously appreciate the fire, but I don't know if I appreciate the waiting for him at the logo, I'm stranger things have happened. I love that Isaiah feels that way because he told us last week I don't let things go easy, you know, so like Tristan didn't let it go easy. Tristan was like, you got to see me about this, right, You're gonna have to answer

for what you have said. Okay, uh, it's kind of speaking on the same topic of offensive line. We've talked about the left tackle and we at least know that it is Terrence Steal this week, and we'll talk about

that in our previews later in the week. But they're also was An alluded to a change with Steven Jones on the fan yesterday talking about how basically, and I'm paraphrasing here, but the door is open for the coaches to have a conversation to make a decision on whether or not Connor McGovern or, Connor Williams is the best player to play and start and play the majority of

the snaps at left guard. So I want to open that same conversation up here if Talking Cowboys was the coaching staff and we're sitting around a room and we've got the projectors up on the screen and we're pointing at the film based off of what all of us have seen to this point, who would you want as the starter at left guard, Connor McGovern or, Connor Williams.

And I think we talked about it so much just seeing Connor Williams get abused, I mean it just losing battles that we thought that McGovern would be better for the left guard position, and honestly, we hadn't seen anything different. I've seen McGovern being situations where he's getting owned as well. So at this point it's like, you know, open competition. I mean, thorow stick in the room. Whichever guy comes

out is the winner. So it's just really at this point trying to figure out where the balance is because I think defensive defenses has figured out where the weakness is in our offensive line. And you saw to run pain you go back and watch that watching Footman d run. Payne was just giving McGovern and be honest, the business in the middle of the field. And Jonathan Allen obviously didn't.

He didn't play the majority of staffs that he would have, but even Jonathan Allen was was all of the pressure that we were encountering was coming from the middle of the field. So it's it's definitely something to look at. Neville Gallim, Yeah you want to. I mean we saw the physicality from him that some strange I'm with heck with Parsons and running back and completely serious on that, like I want Parsons, want that to happen. The mail bag this morning on the website, I guess let's go.

That was a question from a fan. Nice. Uh No, I mean I'm with you. Heck, it doesn't matter at this point. I mean, I think you gave the other guy a chance, McGovern, and you know he didn't show that he was much better. So you know, it doesn't matter which Connor bro you go with at this point in time. I think that they're still going to be

the weak link on this offensive line. And as a even as a coordinator, um, you are excited about that because you can pinpoint where they're weekend and if you can find a weak link, then you can find a scene. So let me just throw it this way to you real quickly, since you are going to ride a fence like that. Connor Williams in terms of holding penalties way more than Connor McGovern. The holding penalties are down since McGovern took over. However, Connor McGovern has given up seven

pressures over the last two games. I'm not going to tell you how many sacks he's given up, but seven pressures against the Washington football team and against New Orleans wins. Yeah, which one would you rather go with? You could? You can make him stop holding. You can teach Williams to not hold. You can find him for every hold he has. I mean, there's a whole lot of ways you can

stop somebody from from creating penalties. There's that coaches have a lot of power inside this inside of this building, so and you can start, you can start handing down fines for every time you have a holding penalty. He'll stop real quick, in a hurry. Have you been pressures that's done that. I've been on a team that's find you for being late to meetings for yeah, for executing assignments.

Absolutely that the New England area you never know. I mean, but I mean you can't stop somebody from getting beat, right, And I guess you could say that holding is a is a product of getting beat as well. That's why I say it doesn't really matter which connor Bro you go with, So it's really a toss up. I mean, the teams are gonna highlight that part of the connor Bro. Doesn't matter which one, be honest, the least veteran player on this office a line. I'm going right at those

two individuals. I would make the switch. And it's not the problems they're having or not just Connor McGovern let me just say that I think he's a good young player. He's got a lot of talent. They've told us that he's probably at this point his career more comfortable with

right guard than he is left guard. And they decided to make that switch because they were, look, they were so concerned about these penalties and they felt like, I think they felt like the refs are looking for it because of what has been on tape, and I think maybe they sacrificed overall production at that position to do that.

You know, I think at this point Connor Williams is a more experienced, better left guard, and over the entire course of the snaps, I don't think he's been that bad of a blocker this year, and I think the running game probably is better in terms of his agility and mobility to pull and get things going on the outside and get some of those edge runs going. I would look at making that switch. I don't know if they will. When you say a better block, are you

saying Williams? Are McGovern you say Connor? Oh? Sorry, I think Williams is a better I think I think he's more he's more equipped to do it right now personally, But but the penalties were why he got sat down and that will have to be cleaned up if he's back in the lineup. In the nine games that Connor Williams started, he gave up a total of ten pressures. We just mentioned seven over the last two. For Connor McGovern he's given up twelve over the four games he's started.

So it's a significant number of pressures more so on a bigger basis with McGovern however, penalties. McGovern vern has only allowed two penalties, been called for two penalties and Connor Williams at thirteen all year long. Now he was on the historic pace. Yeah, well as far as his penalties were concerned. But you know, you see if you go back just to the Kansas City game, the amount of pressure that Dak is getting right up in his face. This gave me. He was sacked four times, pressure ten.

It's a lot going on. It's a and we talk about what's what's wrong with Dak. You know what's what's happening with Dak? Dad can't find any rhythm. It really hard to find that rhythm a lot of times, man, when you got guys following around you in your face, grabbing on you, and so you go back to the Washington game, he was not in the clean pocket a lot of times. You're right. When I watched it back, I thought the protection is a little better. I don't

know about that. I thought there were times where he had a clean pocket or clean inch pocket and he misthrows. But I don't you know, overall it wasn't clean has But usually with Dak Prescott, you're able to navigate through the muck. You're able to navigate through a not so clean pocket. But how much does that limit him and what he's able to do as a quarterback. It's just let me ask you this. You've seen quarterbacks coming to

the league that become punch drunk. They get hit too many times, and when they get hit too many times something exactly, And so are you when you look at Dak are you thinking just from this six game sample side we were talking about from the beginning whereas QBR was this and now with this period, this period where we're seeing that we're seeing him decline, are you thinking that the pressure has anything to do with Are you fully saying mechanics and he's just off? I think think

he's off. Okay, Yeah, I just think he's off. I don't you start talking about quarterbacks being under pressure. There's a whole lot of quarterbacks that don't have a lot of great protection upfront. Um, you know, things going to even go back to my guy in Seattle. He just hasn't had a lot of help on alphas a line either. But he still has to stand in there and throw the ball or buy time, get outside the pocket, use

your skill set to create create some time. Um. I just think that Dak's just been off, and I mean that's just three out. That's it. I mean, I mean, that's that's it. That's I mean, it could rather that be the answer than the punch drunk side of ye. I mean, because I mean, is as much as we want Dad to be playing the amazingly well and all that, how how how do you think Heinek played? Oh he was awful, he was trash? Yeah right. Heinek had three

less LEBR. His TBR rating was three points less than decks. He had a zero passer rating until the second half. I think that's that's bad. But I'm saying so as bad as we think Heinek played, he literally was right there neck and neck with Deck. When we start looking at statistics right in that regard. So that's how we have to You make me sick. Bro, you are the one guy that takes statistics off the table. You know, I know you guys, I know you, I know you guys.

Value you just how you go Rompy in my line, I thought that it was look at the stats. I was like, it was, I know you guys, related stats. The touchdown saved him because because I mean the conversation we were having. He got beat the hell in that game too. They both did. They both got beat up in that game. My thing is is that I think what yesterday was, what was hard for me is all of the DAK hate. Um, it was hard for me to kind of understand where it's coming from. One of

the things that I would never confuse. I would never confuse DAK with Aaron Rodgers. You know, different conversation, different quarterback. I just think everything about Aaron Rodgers is that, But I think there are some other When you talk about

Russell Wilson, that's the guy that I take. It's comparable and where I see him going as far as you know, the team that he played with, the kind of pressure that he was under and now having the defense that we think that he has right now backing him up and so dan quating this situation and just and not

having an overglorified bus driver. But I think that Dak, in all of our experience of seeing him ball out and do these great things, it's really hard for me to receive that now all of a sudden, he we have don't. And again, Dak is a really good player. Really good players going droughts, you know, I mean you hope, yeah, slump, droughts, whatever you want to call it. I mean, the reality is he's not playing good. It doesn't it doesn't take

anything away. I'm not hating on Dad. I don't. I'm sure there are there plenty of cowboys hates a lot of people hate men. You can't prevent that. But the reality is, over the last four to six game stretch, he hasn't played well, and we don't know the exact reason. We just see the result of whatever it is that's causing him to not play well. We see him not stepping up into those those pockets that that are present right and delivering the ball like he has in the past.

We see him not throwing the ball as efficiently, as effectively as he has in the past. Everything that you can compare is always going to be it is always gonna be a relation to what we've seen him do previously. And this is not Dak ball right now. And luckily, luckily, the defense is playing lights out right now, which is giving them an opportunity to be successful holistically as a team.

And what you know what makes this sorry, heck go ahead, no, no, no, Well it makes this so confusing to me, is you know they talk about, well, maybe he needs more time on task with his receivers and that kind of thing. He missed all training camp, like the last week, and then he bawled out and they hung twenty nine on the Bucks. So I don't think it's that, and I don't I don't think you can say he's hurt. I don't think you can say that. I haven't heard that.

He's not on the injury report. The league watches out for that stuff. Anyway, there's that means there is nothing that's keeping him limited to do anything in practice now. Is he mindful of, Hey, this is a long season, maybe I shouldn't take this chance run coming off that horrific injury last year and coming off the fact that he's I don't know. Now he's about six weeks removed from that Calf's train. Maybe, you know, maybe he's mindful

of that. That doesn't mean he's scared. He's trying to get through this season and that maybe that's not why he's running as much. I think that might be a factor too. All of us just kind of speculation because we don't don't we don't know exactly what. He just doesn't like. You're right, he looks out of sync. It doesn't look like he's got as much confidence back there. And I just don't when people try to take the

responsibility off of players, whether it's Dak or anybody else. Right, this is the highest level of competition in this sport, the highest These are the best players in the world, right, And yes, you're entitled to a bad game. You're you're entitled to not being on top of your game. You want to get out of that as fast as possible, But you have to be able to identify the fact that, Hank call a spade to spade, you're not doing well,

let's figure out how to fix it. And I feel like with Dak and even some of the other players in the league of that of that status. People like to find excuses, People like to put their fears, say no, no, no, no, it's not that it's this or you know all you know, he hasn't had this protection, or he hasn't had the receivers or you know. Even mister Jones last week called him out and say, oh we always the receivers not

running arount. No, that is Dak's dad, and it's okay to say, hey, dad, you need to figure it out just like we just like people get on Zeke. People got on Zeke last year with the fumbles. People are a quicker point than I. He know he's fumbling it all. Zeke's not Zeke no more like, why is it is it that you can point out Zeke that he's not on his game, But when it comes to Dak, we make excuses now, and I don't want to, and I

don't think that I'm making excuse for Dak. I just think that for the sample size that we've had for twenty twenty one season, we've seen this run that he's been on and the offense firing on our cylinders. We see exactly how this thing works. When he has his full compliment. Now we're noticing this musical chairs of sorts at the offensive line position, and I think that has a little bit more to do with it than we're giving credit to. That's all I'm saying. And I asked,

and I say, punch drunk. And maybe that's not the wrong word. When you get in touch too much, when your timing isn't there, when you recognize it, I got to get this ball out a little bit quicker than I would have before because I don't have the time or you don't trust the timing end game. But when you but so I hear that, and I think there's

there is some truth to that. When you put him in the conversation with the other quarterbacks that we consider to be great in this league, do we utilize that as an excuse or do those guys find a way? If Tom Brady is getting beat the hill, then we can't expect for him to put Aaron Rodgers. I mean, what about Patrick Mahomes and the super Patrick Mahomes. I mean, yeah, that was one game, that's fair, That's what That's what I'm saying. Like one carried over into the middle of

the season this year. Those guys had a five new office lineman no, no no, no home five new offensive linement. We're talking about we're talking about we're talking about we're talking about five guys. We're talking about the most, the most the position on this field, the group on this field that needs to be the most InSync. Five guys versus we're talking about one guy. How is that different from what the Cowboys are doing one versus five? Yeah,

it's a huge difference. One we've had we've had one guy out that We've had a tackle left guard one at a time, though right one left guard, one tackle guard. It's never been we've never had more than two officive lineman missing at one time. Yeah, it's been music that we want to make decamparison. That's when we're talking about five dudes now, And I feel you and I guess where I'm going with this. You had a whole training camp with those guys when we were talking about we're

talking about Mahomes Mahomes. Your thing was, Man, he's Patrick Mahomes. He gonna get back on track. Not not making two of this comparing dak to Patrick Mahomes, but you had faith in Patrick Mahomes based off of what you're seeing him do in the past. That he could get back on track. Do do you feel the same way about that. I don't have the evidence to show. I do believe that Dak's gonna get back on track, But I don't have this this long standing resume of Dak going into

a slump and coming out of a slump. I don't have. Really, it's the first time we've seen that. So yeah, I have a question mark around and and I, but I still believe that Dak is just in a slump. All quarterbacks get there, all quarterbacks have him. It's just like golfers. You're going to slump baseball players, right, I love baseball, You're going to a slump. As a hitter, It's like, oh man, he's he's tripping right now for this for this three weeks. But when he see gets that one

hit bohm, he's out of it. There's nothing, you know, to Rob's point, there's nothing that's pointing to evidence, evidence wise it saying Dak's injured or Dak is unable to do something. He's just not playing well. When you were you ever in that position at Washington, and if you were, what what was your approach to getting out of a slump? If that's what we wanted to studying my butt off, studying my butt off to be able to identify it. I met with a quarterback last night, figure out what

you're doing wrong? What are you doing wrong? Is it my drop? Am I getting lazy with my feet? Right? It was? What's my what's my What are my feet look like when I'm when I'm delivering the ball? Isn't my elbow? Is my release point? Right? Am I shifting my weight like there's so many intricate portion instead of being a quarterback and delivering the ball with accuracy, Even when you have a completion, you should still be you should still be picking apart your your film. Am I

putting it on the right shoulder? Am I putting it low? Watching that um had a great ball last night, Matthew Stafford through a great ball to Cooper Cup lowing away? Right? I mean that was perfect. That's that's how you go back and watch. That's the ball that you got to have down there in the red down there on the goal line. You have to put it right there if you would put it anywhere else. As incompletion, So that's even on your complete you need to be going back

and figuring out how can I be better? And I'm not saying that Dak's not. We don't know what the heck they're doing on the other side of the building, but I do know that as a competitor, he is probably picking apart his film right now trying to figure out where is the missing link because he knows he's not where he wants to be and where this team needs him to be. I don't doubt that either, because yeah,

nobody works harder than that. I don't doubt it. And that's one of the reasons why I think Cowboys Nation, much like how Heckmo was alluding to earlier, you can't give up on Dak right now. You know he's going to get back to some point playing the football, playing that Dak ball that Isaiah was talking about earlier as well. All right, taking our first break when we come back eight eight, five, five, two, two, nine to seven, give talking Cowboys a call. Let's hear from Cowboys Nation right

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there from a fellow. Yeah, go get that bread and your wallet. Oh gosh, can look just like Rob Phillips. Alright, great conversation in that first Ladies man first, No, this is uh Joanna Man. Okay, I don't get that reference to young Kyle did. I wish it did. Let's talk about some more cowboys. How does Cowboys Nation feel right now? Positive? Negative? Bob from Nashville is the first one up, Bob. How's it going you're on talking cowboys? Good morning, gentlemen. Hey,

So you know love Dak. You know, as Isaiah said, you go through these little times where you're up and down. But a couple of things. My observation after watching some of the rewatching a bunch of the games, I think some teams are pre snapper in one coverage and then just as the ball snap, they're changing coverages, which I think is maybe confusing Dak. They're also playing two safeties back, which taking away any aggressive throws, which requires Dak to

maybe throw the ball short. And I think the other thing is Kellen Morneys. They maybe call some plays where we get some receivers doing some crossing routes, get him to our playmakers and let them make some plays that will take some of the pressure off a Dack and allow him to maybe get back into a rhythm. I just wanted to see what your guys thoughts were on those two things. Thanks, I have a great day. Thanks, Bob,

appreciate the call. Yeah, great points, Bob, and I'm kind of go down the line in terms of what I want. I heard you say. In terms of the two high state these his ability to throw the ball quickly as of two weeks ago, Dak, I don't know where he stands today. Dac was in the think top three in the league in terms of completion procedage and short short short yardist. You know he passes, so that shouldn't be

an issue. UM. In terms of what was the other part, in terms of being able to get the ball in the hands of his playmakers, I do agree that the killer Morty's to find a way to run more screens. I think he needs to go dive into the playbook of the enemy and figure out exactly how he's getting his guys the ball in their hands within five yards. They do a great job of running a screen so many different ways, UM, getting CD the ball, get cooped the ball, to get these guys the ball in their hands,

and that will allow him to build his confidence. UM, but you know, you know, to your point, you know, yeah, he's in, he's in, He's in a slump. But they it's up until a lot of people. He has to do a deep dive. Killer Moore has to figure out too, right, and they have to be on one accord in terms of, Hey, this is where you're at right now, and this is how we're gonna help try to get you out this whole.

What do defenses do to slow down screens? What's the best way to slow down a screen from a defensive tack it? You gotta attack. It's being aggressive, right, You're putting pressure up front, you making him get the ball out of his hands. That's exactly what these teams that have that Dak Prescott hasn't played well against the dune, right, Yeah, And I think he makes a valid point talking about

the cover too. And that's the thing that a lot of teams would not do versus Dubts because they fear the running game so much, right, And so now the teams are kind of like, oh, we don't have to worry about Zeke, you know, and they're daring Dak to kind of beat them over the top. That's what Jack del Riel did in this game. Something I'm not what you're gonna what you're not gonna do is beat us deep. What we're gonna force you to do is try and

find out everything in the middle of the field. Couldn't get that done, you know. And so Dalton shows, I think, is really somebody that we got to put it. You know, where is Dalton because they haven't seen him. Are you saying that they're going too high safety because they're because on excuse me, they're going too high safety, not only because they don't respect our running game, but also you're saying that they're daring Zeke to be more accurate with

the ball. They don't think that he's as accurate as he once was. The yack. Yeah, I mean I think they're not. They're saying that we're not going to let you get those big plays. We're gonna take the big play away. But by saying that, right, you're saying I'm taking away a big play and I'm taking away your And you said I'm not respecting your run. I'm saying that I don't trust that you can pick me apart. That's what I mean, That's what you're saying. Yeah, I know,

I'm not interpreting that that way. If that is that's just that's what. No, No, that's disrespectful. And if if that's the case, then Dak has to find And maybe that's why he's pressing because he's like, I can't believe you you have the audacity to have two says never experienced it and leaving the middle of the field wide open, and that's where he got caught in the pick six. This is the first time in his career and you can probably back this up rub that he hasn't had

an efficient running game. Um, there's yeah, I mean probably to this extent. You know, I think when they've think last year when Zeke was banged up and they didn't have Zach Martin for a stretch, it was it was tough in there. But the decline they've had there is is wow. And you guys are right, like the shell covers that they played is a little bit different than I think what we've seen recently because when they were teams were doing that early in the season, they were

running them over in the run game. And I was telling you guys in the break, I know it's it's kind of a staff, it's flimsy, but there was a four game stretch starting with the Chargers game, where they were dominant in the run game one hundred and sixty plus yards per game. Dak's passer rating in that stretch was like one twenty average, one forty three against Philadelphia,

one thirty against I actually started with the Charger game. Okay, so even going back at it's like eighty nine, eighty eight. Yeah for passer rating, gets sixteen against the Giants, but you get it, yeah, because the New England game, they had one hundred and twenty yards, but they didn't run it that well. They didn't run it that well. So those those four games starting with the Chargers, he was very, very efficient. The other games this season nine games, it's

like a seventy nine passer rating. He needs that balance. I think every quarterback does. And again it Yeah, it might sound like excuses, but I think that's what Jerry's talking about on the fan to day, and Hex kind of looting it to it too. It's a I think Jerry said, it's a multifaceted reason why it's got to work. And I know Dak's making forty million a year, but they've got to show up some other things. And on

offense to help him out as well. Yeah, and he's got to play better too, and he's admitted that there. It is obvious watching he's not playing as well as he kibbles. That's what I love about him, though I do. I respect the crap out of him for a standing up and not making excuses. Everybody else is making excuses for Deck Dack's not making excuses for dead. Yeah, he's saying he's got to be better. Ye. Love it. Yeah, great call from Bob. And by the way, Chris pointed

it out in my ears. I don't know if he was in y'all's ears either, but Bob sounds strikingly similar to Doug nust Meyer. Just go back and listen to it if you get a chance, just like the raspy voice. I love it, Bob from Nashville. Great job, all right. Now, let's see if we can follow it up with a little bit of the Land of Enchantment landing from New Mexico. You're on Talking Cowboys. Hey, guys, what's it going so good?

I've been listening to Talking Cowboys in the two thousand and six, way back in the day, so I love the show. Love all the shows on Dallas Cowboys dot Com. Um, real quick though, a couple of points about the Dak situation. Um, from what I see, it looks like he's overthinking things. And I think it's you know, a while ago, Rob said something about, I mean this is all speculation, right, and then um and Isaiah said that, uh, that it could be confidence. Um. I think I think it's a

confidence thing because of the offensive line. I think that that because we had the musical chairs with the offensive line. Um, it's gotten into his head a little bit. And and we've heard Dak's stay in his pest conferences. You know, he's he's thinking. He thinks about when to run and when not to run. It looks like he's doing that not just when the run and when not to run, but when to throw the ball and when not to

throw the ball. Um. I mean Aaron Rodgers and those guys, they know where to go with the ball before or the ball or before the ball is snapped. So then guys, that's why they're able to handle. The offensive line isn't doing good. But I think since Dak has the confidence been going on too, because he had so much shaky offensive line play. Now he's he's classed in a little bit and he's overthinking things. I mean that that that

interception that he threw on the Dalton Sultz pass. I mean Dalton Schultz is open and he at first and then he pump picked instead of throwing the ball. If he would have threw the ball then and it would have been completed. So that's what That's what I think about the Dack situation. And the running game is a

big doctors. I mean, we need to get this running running game fixed, and I don't know how we're going to do it because the offensive line is in shambles and the running back to her and I don't know what we're going to do about the other. Oh, thank you very much, Landing for the call, and thank you for your support of all the shows here on Dallas Cowboys dot com. But what do you think about that?

Heck moll, Could it be in Dak's head or is it just as simple as what he said toward the end is it's just this offense is one dimensional at the moment. And I look, I partially agree with with some of that. I just feel as though some defenses made adjustments. They know what you know, if you get enough tape on a guy. It's like when the guy comes in his first year, you have no idea what and who he is as a quarterback. Second year, everybody

knows that the throws that he's comfortable with. And I think defenses have done the same thing to Dak this season. They know exactly where Kelly Moore is trying to set him up to be successful early in games. And I just go back to one drive in that Washington game where I believe it started with Dak tripping over the feet of the center and trying to hand the ball off to Ezekiel Elliott. It was a hole that was massive. They missed on that, But then he comes right back

and he throws and it was an interception. It just seems like the rhythm of the offense, if that has anything to do with it, just I just felt like that was the one time that I watched the offense where I was like, these guys are just out of rhythm with one another. Yeah, and who knows if it's confidence. I mean, he's about its confident guy you'll ever meet. He's just not in sync. And that's what's showing on the field. They're just not in sync. But to his point,

and I agree with Hack to his point. That last throw he did, he had Scholtz open and he was a tick late. So what's what's he's seeing, what's he processing? Because I think that's been his biggest jump as a quarterback has been his ability to just balls out. He knows what he's where. He wants to get to the ball with the ball. But if they could run the ball better, they wouldn't have had to make that play and they would have been able to ice the game.

That's that's been their calling card and they have not been able to get back to it. And he's right, we'll see if Tony Potter can get back in the lineup this week. Zeke's banged up, he's fighting through it. Yeah, offensive line, maybe they make a change somewhere at left guard. They got to get something going in the run game. Got to the reality is when you're not playing to the level that you expect yourself to play, that you

know that you're cable of playing, and things have gone wrong. Right, he's had what five interceptions in the last four games or whatever the No. Six sorry or my math? Right? Five five in the last four games. You start questioning, you question you have a question mark over too over your head, and you start second guessing and hesitating on decisions that you would have instinctively made. That's the reality

when you're not confident in your play. Now. I'm not saying that you're not confident in terms of your capabilities, but capabilities and you're actual what actually shows up on the field that day's two separate things. So being that Dak has tried, I'm sure he's trying his best fifty eight rating seventy nine one or six fifty seven, that's the last four, I'm sure he's questioning some things that he's doing, like what he's trying to figure it out.

And when you're trying to figure it out, you're going to try to make sure that you were exact. You're gonna try to make sure that you were as precise as possible to make sure that you're not making those mistakes that you have made previously. So I think that's probably where he's at right now. I don't think it's a lack of confidence. I just think that he's trying to be so exact to make sure that he doesn't make mistakes that you actually end up making mistakes when

you do that, stat man. Stat Man, Yeah, that's when I grow up. You know what I'm saying. Four touchdowns, five interceptions over the last four games. That's not Dak ball. That's not that ball. All right, Lance from Wyoming, Lance, you're on talking Cowboys. What's up my man? Gentlemen, gentlemen, how your dog? How you guys doing great? Look, I listen to all the shows that comes on daily. I want you guys to stop making excuses for Dak. That's

that's the problem. I'm sorry. I mean, when he demands forty million dollars a year to be the quarterback for the Dallas Cowboys, we as fans expect him to perform regardless what the problem is. You guys are using the

excuse that our offensive line is the problem. When he was healthy, we had offensive mind problems, but he found a way of getting around it and throwing the ball very I won't say accric because he's never been an a throwing quarterback, But you guys need to stop, including Jerry Jones and the staff, y'all need to stop making excuses for da. There's something wrong with that. There's something mentally wrong with that. It ain't his it ain't the

physical thing. There's something wrong in his head. You don't stand there and see a lineman come up on you. I mean a linebacker come up on you. Get in line to the throw that you get throw, throw it in the way and get it in something. Please, guys, stop making excuses for that. That gets forty million dollars. I don't give a thing if he got a running he needs, he needs to get his mindset and the and the coaching staff needs to stop doing what they're doing.

They need to be the coaches. They need to take the Zeke out the game, period because Zeke is killing us too. But don't blame the offensive line because it's all that reason why we're saying that as a nation, sir, the reason why we're saying that as a nation, we're playing that man forty million dollars. I don't care if he got to run into a wall and do it again for forty million dollars. Lance, thank you so much for the call. Appreciate you as always and all your support.

And if there's anything that we stand for on this show, it is saying it with your chest and he absolutely did it. It was a chestysty call. Are we related? Guys, stop making excuses. I like it. I did too. I don't know. I mean I I don't agree one hundred percent with everything, but I mean I'm probably about it any percentI with you right there. I'm not. I'm not one two and I've been. My wife calls me unempathetic on a lot of things. But one thing I do is I look, I do a deep dive by myself.

If I suck at something, probably I don't have a good showing. Right. We've done how many shows have we done together, Kyle? We've done film room, Kyle tells me film rooms, other sets that we're on. Hey, you know you can do this a little better. Thank you, Thanks for telling me. Thanks for telling me. Because I need to be better. I want to be the best that I can be. I'm gonna go back and I'm gonna

watch it. I'm gonna pick it apart. I'm gonna get coaching and I'm gonna figure out how I could come back and re address that problem so that we can be better. I could be better individually, which helps us all be better collectively as as a team. I don't not wanting to make excuses. I am not so again. I do agree some of the decision. It's not even just a delivery, it's some of the decisions, you know,

some of the decisions. And it's not just Dak. I know we're picking on Dak because he's the he's the QB one, but there's a lot of pressure that comes with that, and there's a big talking about But there there are a lot to his point, there are guys who just say, there's roster bubble guys if they make one mistake, If they make one mistake, you're out of here. You're out of here. There is no excuses made for you, right, You don't get an excuse because guess what, you don't

get that leverage. You don't have that, you don't have that financial leverage to make a mistake. But as soon as guys get big boy paychecks, right, Dak or anybody else in this league, there's grace given. There's a lot of grace given instead of getting on them the same way, there's a lot of grace given with I e excuses

and I'm with you on every in that regard. Anybody, Dak Zeke, I don't care who it is on this roster, right, everybody should be getting coached to the same level, wouldn't have the same expectations, meaning that sometimes you got you gotta dig out, you know, you get on somebody's head. And I'm not saying that. I don't know if they do or not, but I'm just saying I said yesterday that there's not as many You can't use the same excuse as to use a few weeks ago. They got

he's got his receivers back. All that, I will say with the caller, I agree with a lot of what he said. It's a great call. We're not saying the offensive line is the problem. It's a problem, yes, it's they're not playing as well as they need to play. This is a team game, this is the ultimate team game. He can't do it all by himself. He's got to be better, obviously, but there's other factors that are making his job probably more difficult than they need to be,

and he's not playing well on top of it. Well, you know, that's my quarterback, and I'm a defendant, and um, you know, I feel like they're we're not making excuses for Dak. We've seen Dak ball and so I'm not gonna take anybody's word as saying, oh, he's broken and we shouldn't have given him that money. I understand that that comes with a territory. Once you get to check, everybody now has the opportunity to say what you are and what you never were. But he's not an average

quarterback in this league. And for everybody we won Sunday, we won. Yeah, we want We're not a fool, you understand it. So there are teams out there that have marginal quarterbacks with good defenses that hope to ride that momentum into the super Bowl. We ain't one of them because we got a guy that we have enough evidence to show that this man is a gamer and he's

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month or so of the season. He did win the game. Heck, ma Harrison, there's a game this week. There is a game this week, New York Giants on the docket. I think the biggest frustration this will be the final kind of talking point that we have. I think the biggest frustration for Cowboys fans right now isn't the fact that you're nine and four and you're winning too the vision. None of that should matter at the moment because you feel good about where this team is. I think the

frustration is where you want this team to go. Oh. I think it's where you want the expectations to be. Because in the past, the expectation is that if you have a middle of the road defense and the offense is what they're expected to be, you feel really good about your chances come playoff time. That's not the case. Right now. The defense is exceptional, the defense is continuing to peak, and now the offense is lagging. But you feel like there's opportunity there. So do you agree disagree?

Is it more about the expectation of where this team needs to go as opposed to the nine and four record of where they're at right now? You know, being he's the only guy that's ever received the Lombardi Trophy. I think he knows that the Lombard he always gets delivered in February. It never gets delivered in December. So we still have everything to play for and everything is in front of us. And so you talk about doing shows with Kyle and Kyle critiquing what you do and

you having to come back and be better. Everybody knows that Dad can come back and be better. He's had to overachieve his whole career, from being picked in the fourth round to now being the Crown Prince as a quarterback of the Dallas Cowboys. He will be better. What do you think? I think you're right. I think we're watching the game last night, Cardinals, Rams, Rams rise up and win that game. Who this has a chance to be the most stack NFC playoffs I've seen since the nineties,

I don't know. So yeah, I think that's a huge viewpoint from the fan base of not only like we've seen what they can do, what they're capable of. Let's get back to that what it's going to take to get through the NFC playoffs, because there is it's limitless the number of really good teams that they could run into in January, so they have to get better they do now. Look Kyler Murray through two picks last night. Hello, hasn't been the same quarterback as good? Still good, not

as great as before the injury. This is what happens. Team teams make adjustments. They've got a month to figure it out and get their things righted before playoff time because they're inching closer and closer to clinch in the division. Touche touch. That's all you need to talk about, all right, that doesn't for us here on Talking Cowboys, Thanks to all of our fan callers and Cowboys Nation for chiming in. Tomorrow we preview the Giants offense versus the Cowboys defense.

How does that turn out for the Cowboys? I think it looks pretty good for the Plazuka micampartrions for Chris Beef, Rob phillipsis as stand back. Heck my Harrison, I'm Kyle Yeoman saying so long. We'll see you tomorrow. On Talking Cowboys. This has been a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. M