Talkin' Cowboys: 5 Big Questions vs. Pack

Spagnola to my right, Caden and Will producing next door. Hello, Jents, Well up, Robert, Robert, Well, what's up? Is Thursday practice? There go those Green Bay Packers? Yeah, at and T Stadium Sunday three twenty five kick and we talked a lot about trying to defend Aaron Rodgers yesterday as usual, no easy chore there, and we broke down some of the injuries on both sides that these teams are dealing

with a month into the season. We got a little more clarity on that today and we'll see what the you know, what the Cowboys can do with some of their injuries, especially up front. What are you guys here and there? Well, I would think depends which front you're talking about. You're that's a good question, that's a good point. Maybe start with the offensive because I was gonna say, I see little hope for Tyrone Crawford to get back. No,

Tyron Smith is out. Yes, I got a feeling Collins they're gonna do what they need to do to get them to the game. Yeah. I think it'll be similar to what they've been doing with Zach Martin. It's like, don't wear them out during the week and let that back heal up as good as possible, and then have him ready to play in the game. I mak He's absolutely right about Collins. I think he'll be practicing tomorrow when they go out there. Nothing today but give him

another day. They gave him Wednesday with the pads outside. They got that taken care of. They give him today and then they just practice him up on Friday, you know when he needs to the short yardage, goal line stuff that they're gonna do. Think two minutes involved as well, So yeah, I think that you know, if they can, if they can get him to the game, I think that's the most important thing for them. They're gonna need

him to play. They can't go into this game down two offensive tackles, and I think they realize that, and you know that's why we're seeing Connor Williams move around and you know, try and fill a couple of spots. But yeah, they need to get they need to get LC out there ready to go. Yeah, it was almost good that they get Williams some snaps at tackle just in case, absolutely, because if something happens in the game, then he's probably the next guy up out there. They

were planning to do that. You know, he was going to be part of the rotation Smith out with Smith out, Yeah, he was gonna get some rotational snaps. So this would just give him a full actually a couple of two full practices to you know, the things that offensive tackles that are. It's different for them as far as playing guard. You know, we talk about everything that goes on inside, but it's also the way you look at the rusher,

how you play on your outside eye. You know, you have to be able to see that rusher and so you know, with with guard you kind of get all in the big muddle there, but on that tackle you have to be able to have that vision to kind of see that guy to the outside. So it's good that Connor Williams, if he has to go out there, at least that's not something. And then and it jogs brings back memories of him. Okay, when I was at Texas and I was playing left tackle, I kick kick

kick punch, you know, kick kick, kick punch. You know, he gets him back in that rhythm again. And if the if the Packers continue to play their outside linebackers the way they have, Brian's right that that guy's pretty wide world wide. You can't sit there and be looking out there and say, okay, that's the guy. He's coming right exactly. So the peripheral vision a little bit port brings it back to him. Yeah, when you studied him at Texas and graded him pre draft, Williamson, did you

grade him as a tackle or a guard? Well, yeah, I did. We grade him as a tackle. And the thing that it was impressive, And I've said this before many a time with Dave helm and I we did our Texas swing, the Texas trying where we went through the you know Texas A and M A University of Texas and we were there for the pro days, and I remember the Saints offensive line coach was working him out as as a not only a tackle, a guard and also as a center, so they were looking at

all three spots for him. They thought that he had that kind of flexibility. But his grades when when the season started, he was one of the top tackles in the draft, and then he got hurt and then things kind of fell apart for him a little bit and then lasted to the second round, but still very talented players as we've seen. How do you guys think he's

played so far left guard through four games. I think there's you know, Garrett likes to say, you know, it's there's some good, but then there's some things you need to work on. And I think that's a fair assessment to him. And I'm not trying to ride the fence and say, oh, he's been horrible. He's been boy, he's

been really great and oversell it and all that. I think when you grate sixty five plays to him, there could be sixty plays that are really good and then there's five plays where you go, man, if he just was a little bit more patient. I think that's where Lyle Collins is kind of making some hay right now that he is no longer being so aggressive that he has to punch, he has to say he has to. You know. It's this thing where he's like, Okay, I'm

gonna let this rusher come to me. I'm strong enough, I'm gonna set, I'm gonna bend my knees and I'm gonna take this guy out. And I think that's where Connor Williams hasn't learned yet. I think Connor Williams really trust himself to sit there and play patiently enough. When a guy on his nose, he wants to get that first punch to stop the charge. And then he's and then he gets a little overextended when he misses. See with Collins, that was a problem with Collins. You know, Mickey,

we've all watched practice before. When Collins is bad. What's wrong with Collins? His hands, his hands go outside and he doesn't get that inside punch. If you're patient, you fire your hands inside, you get control and then you work. Connor Williams, those five plays I talk about will get over extended, he'll get beat and he'll look bad. But overall,

I mean their offensive lineman. They would love to have his athletic ability, his ability to bend, to turn, to get the second level, to get out on a screen. You know, all those things are really really positive about him as a player. But he's just, you know, he's he's a young guy. He's gonna, you know, when they when he gets into where he's twenty six, twenty seven, twenty eight years old, he's gonna learn how to whole trip and clip, you know, and when he learns all

those things, I think he'll be all right. And he's pretty smart and he'll learn that stuff. And I think what happens when you're judging offensive lineman as a whole. We judge how they perform pass block, and if guy gets by him, then okay, this guy's not playing well. But no one says, well, he's got to be better against the run, right, you know, because he's been good against the run. I think that And I'm kind of

the same way a little bit with Cam Fleming. I judge him how he passed protects, and if you watch him run block, and it's like it ain't pretty, but he kind of gets it done. Yeah, he's better run blocking than he is pass blocking. That's true. I don't know if that makes sense or not when you're you

know that big. But so if if if Williams whiffs on a on a pass block, like Brian said, once out of sixty five, and it's like, wow, he's not playing, well, yeah, well what about the other snaps a lot of plays in the game over Yeah, see, that's what you're not playing. You know those first three games, the offensive line, you weren't sitting there going, oh man, they're making a bunch

of mistakes. Yeah, you know, they were pretty good where you saw the problems if you want to grade run blocking problems, Yeah, against the Saints, where if you do miss a guy then it's very evident. Zekielett for one. You know when they when they when they miss a backside scoop, Ezekielett for three, Ezeki Elett for two. You know that's where all of a sudden you start going, Okay, they're struggling in this and and and trust me, five

guys struggled in that football game run block. In the other day, Travis Frederick provided some insight on that yesterday said, there really weren't that many plays where everybody was in concert at the same he's the same time and The Saints also did a good job of bringing some he called it generalized pressures where they can run, they can work whether it's a run or a pass right, and

they were effective doing that and dialed up some good stuff. Yeah, and he thought the pre credit, he thought he thought the communication was fine. They didn't They didn't really misscommunicate on anything over the noise, but it was just the execution part with the ball was I think that was the biggest problem in that game for them. I mean, they didn't have a sack until that final drive of the game. I mean there's some pressure, but you're gonna

get pressure in the National Football League. You're gonna get You're gonna get your quarterback are riled up a little bit. But I think the run blocking is something when they go back and to say, Okay, maybe my head didn't get all the way across, Maybe I'd got to take a better step, Maybe I need to take a flatter

zone step to get that guy. I think there were some things technique wise that hurt them in the running game there, you know what, And I think you got you gotta credit seek yesterday because people were asking him questions like do you feel like you need to come back and redeem yourself. That's all right, Well, try being a running back when no one's blocking for you. Never. That's why running backs are always very complimentary of their

offensive line. They know they're not doing that by themselves. And he didn't do that by himself thirty five yards. It wasn't like he didn't know where he was going or he wasn't running hard. Now, sure he's he's taken, you know, full blame for the fumble, which wasn't a fumble, but good for him. So I thought he liked that he handled all that so well yesterday he didn't say like, well, yeah, no one's blocking for me, not me. Now. He never does that with his line, and he's always the first

to give him credit. So we'll see. We talked about the Packers run defense. Maybe there's some opportunities there maybe or maybe they're really gonna keep we'll see. Um, okay, let's let's run down the injury report again. Michael Gallop, what did you see from him yesterday? What are your thoughts on him as we get into Thursday? Here, Michael gap is playing a little possum mickey, Yeah, I think so. I think he's ready to go. He's ready to go. Yeah,

he's he's gonna in the media, it's gotta come out. Well, you know, I'm gonna. I like what he's doing because I think Michael Gallup is ready to go, because I think he told us yesterday today will be the test. Yeah, Well he had to see what happened after he practiced on because when you've had a scope like that, sometimes your your knee will swell up. Yeah, get more activity. So I think that's what he meant because he was

running just fine that I saw. They were talking about a fifteen yard dig that he ran where he just you know, ran hard up the field, burst inside and then caught the ball and then went on the move. I was like, oh, okay, you guys, Yeah, I know, Michael's Michael looked good out there. They were really happy the way he now. Mickey's right now. Now they practiced on the turf today. They were on grass yesterday's. Yeah, so we'll see if if you know, if there's maybe

more a little bit more limitation. We'll play on turf on Sunday, same type of field. But you know, they will see with this one. But all indications coming out of practice, I think that Michael Gallup was kind of playing with you a little bit there. He also does Britt was calling for him to go get treatment after it was like, you've had one practice, you know. He doesn't want to get in trouble either with that training staff, like, oh, let's just take this day by day, do what they

tell me to do. Yeah, but it's looking like he's on track to get back after a couple of weeks, which is really impressive. Britt will come and find you, now, that's right, Yeah, he will. I saw him do that last week with Antoine. I think Antoine was a little late getting back over there, and don't make him more. He got the he got the eye. Yeah, are you done yet? You know kind of that you've done? Yett? You do, and I'm waiting for you. Yeah, yeah, exactly.

Anything else pop up on the injury report that's of concern or of note to you, Mick on the Cowboys side, because I think the guys that were listed as limited, uh yeah, it was. It was good that Antoine Woods was listed as limited, which means he finally did something and he was walking around without any any sleeve on his knees. Yeah. Uh, and he seemed to be moving. You never can tell with him because when he walked by a straight it's like, oh no, Bryce, no, no

sleeve he goes, we'll need it. Yeah, you know, okay, so but that's him, right, he's ready to go. They probably have to tie him down, and that's a that's a good thing. Uh. The new one that was limited Chris Jones got a little bit of a sore back. Uh. But it sounds like Chris Jones would have soar back. It's much better than the alternative, which would be more punting. Yeah, so I wouldn't worry about that. If anything different with Tank. He was a heel Jail said it was a heel Bruce.

So that's not good. That's not good. But that's something you probably deal with, right pat in the shoe kind of a thing. Kind of work through it and see what you can. Again, that's probably the best thing is to stay off it, get as much treatment. Just can't I know which you could really treat about it. Maybe you know, keep it in ice and keep it to keep it, you know, trying to keep the swelling down

on it and push that blood out of there. But this says knee shoulder, But didn't we find it's a heel. Maybe you got a lot of stuff. Maybe he's got a lot of Yeah, he's maybe he's dealing with some few things. Speaking of heels, they'll be there, don't worry. Amari had the heel thing in camp. On one side, he had the he's got the ankle that he's listed on. On the other side, he says, it's nothing that's going to prevent me from performing. So got a big challenge

this week too. He downplayed it. Yeah he did. And he's a tough guy though. I think people were trying to hand him an excuse and he was having He's not going to take that, which kind of before we get to break. And by the way, five two two nine seven, when we come back from break, Brand's got

some questions, which I love. But you wrote about two guys in the Packers secondary of note and this is a young group and a young talented group, right, yeah it is, and you know, and we need to see what the Kevin King was out right, mickey, and it was a groin. Yeah, thank you. By the way, No Davante Adams on the offensive side. Yeah, you know, it's funny you talk to people because he was kind of working a little bit pre practice, and people were like, oh,

maybe maybe not. I'll get that status for what he thinks. I mean a lot of people think that he's out and hopefully he is out again. I'm not cheerlyinging for injury if you if you judge by how Lafour answered the question, it was basically I read that in his press conference he said nothing new there, referred to the injury report, which means I'm not telling you anything. Yeah, and usually that means I'm not telling you anything bad. Yeah, So that that I always look at that when they

say that, Well, just he wouldn't even talk about it. Yeah, So we'll see. Because, like I say, they've had problems with King before he's he's he's a guy that plays a few games and then gets nicked up and then doesn't play a couple of games. If he's out again, that Traymont Williams having to go at it, Josh Jackson having to go at a safety, Will Redman will have

to go at it. So yeah, if the Cowboys, you know, if they could find a way to take advantage of some guys that get on that field, by all means, please do that is staying away from Jerry Alexander, I think is the best best plan for these guys right now. You're a fan of his work, yeah, I am, I am. I'm a real fan of his work. He's one of those guys. He's one of the top cornerbacks in the league, you know, and he's he probably doesn't get enough credit

as he actually deserves. But when you watch him play, he's got some special traits to him. He sure does. And Savage as well. I mean, that's another guy stocked up some young drafted drafting to him in the first round. He's a safety from Maryland. He could play, he could play in the slot as well. He's comfortable covering. You have to be aware of him coming up and knocking the ball loose. He's a he's one of those guys

it has a feel for how to create turnovers. Uh. Kirk Cousins was running up the field and all of a sudden, ball gets punched out of his hand because of Darnell Savage coming up, and you know, it was like, oh, you gotta be careful hitting a quarterback. Well, I mean that, I mean you can't punch the ball out of his hands. And that's what they were able to do, so keep an eye on him. He Now, I will say this about him in the Philadelphia game, there was a couple

of times in space where he missed some tackles. They've had some problems with some tackling going on in Green Bay. So if the Cowboys can kind of get some things going in space, break some runs, get some yards after catch or yards after contact, then I think that, you know, that would abode well in this game for them. You think we're at a point with Michael Gallup that having him back just impacts everybody else on that offensive side of the ball. I mean, is that how much he's grown.

His energy is huge. The way he plays because he's such a he reminds me a little bit. And again this is gonna sound maybe off, but remember the energy that does Bryant brought when he caught a ball and then all of a sudden, it's exploding up the field and you're watching guys run and they're trying to tackle him and stuff that's contagious to an offense. They see that, you know, and all of a sudden defenders feel that and they know this, Oh geez, we got to deal

with this all day you could. You could destroy someone's will to compete if you just keep making plays on him. You know. That's and that's what Michael Gallup can do for you. And we talked about his ability to take the ball inside and just explode up the field or go vertically and then get the ball over the top. So you get a guy that could beat you underneath, intermediate and down the field, and it just brings the energy and the and the juice that the offense needs.

All of a sudden, you throw him the ball, it's a seven yard pass, it goes for eighteen. That's that's big time stuff for you right there. And his will to fight for the ball too, you know. And and I'm not comparing him to him, but that that was the same thing Michael Irvin had. Michael Irvin won the fastest receiver, but once he got the ball in his hand, he was tough to bring. Guys didn't want to tackle Nope.

And they didn't want to tackle Dez nope. You know, once he got a head of steam going no, there's like, Okay, I'll act like i want to, but I'm not doing I think he started because when you look at him now, he is so much stronger than what he was last year. Question. It's amazing. Yeah, that first offseason always makes a difference for these young guys. All right, let's take our first break when we come back by the way, eight five five,

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I would his ability to get outside the pocket. And he thought that would take care of him when he had a basically torn calf muscle in that playoff game and on one lay, he still will manage to get out there and just frustrate him with So you're saying the mobility, yeah, he's I mean, he's good in the pocket, don't get me right, But I think he got a fairer chance for your secondary than him out there improvising. He and you know this better than any of us.

But he's not Brett Farve. They've got different games. But he does remind me of Brett in the way he can. He's not a scrambler in us. Well, he can be, but buying extra time in the pocket for himself or taken off and running, it's the whole keep him in the well thing. Rod, You're gonna hear Rod and Christoph Shard say that today this week, I guarantee you I think I could eliminate his vision. I would say, please take away his vision, his ability to see the way

he does down the field. You guys talked about hit the mobility party, but he sees everything developing down the field. And he's so good at just going to the room when you make a mistake. He finds the mistake out there. You know. So that's well, yeah, it's a good point because I was talking with Jeff Heath about it, and you know, he's had to play against him so many times,

and he said, it's really weird. He said, but because you when you look at him, his eyes are down like he's looking where he's gonna move, he said, But for some reason, with his eyes down, he still sees down the field right. It's he said, it's very deceptive because he's always looking for a crease, and then all of a sudden he's up and he finds a guy down field. That's a lot of trust in your receivers.

Then you know where they're going to be. That's exactly, and he's got some I'll get to that question here in a little bit. My next question few boys is do you help Cam flimming off the jump or do you see how it goes to start off the jump, just so there's not a breakdown early for your offense. Yeah, if you want. I I just think that you're going to see a tight end over there quite a bit. Normally a lot of times you see the tight end tight to the right side. That's the strong side to run.

But I think in passing situations or if you want to pass, I think you just need to have some protection over there. And it's not like the guy's got to stay there and double team all the time. Sure, just get in the way, Nicol, run over ye, get to the ball. Yeah. It's like a lot of times last year when they played Washington in that first game, the tight end was kind of behind covering. Yeah, it was kind of behind him all you know, like I kept saying, in his hip pocket, it went right behind him,

but off to the side. And then Fleming knows that he got to protect the inside. He's got to help to the outside or you know a lot of times they were you know, people don't like that too tight end formation, but you know it's not a bad thing on that side. Robert, I agree, it's a formula that's worked for him. They got two wins, I believe with him in the starting lineup last year, so I would I would stick with that. But I mean, I'm a feeling they're gonna let him go and see what happens.

He's got to be on his own. Some you can't every time. I'm not saying no, no, he's not saying every time. I know what you got to say. In the majority of them. Yeah, yeah, So like from like the third snap, if they're gonna throw the ball, put Mickey's tied in in a wing position over there and try and kind of set a little tone, or put the running back over there and send him out into

the formation to the left side. But you're saying see how he does on the I think I think that they're gonna I like what you guys are saying, but I also have a feeling they're gonna just let him go and see how it goes. Well, God bless him. You have more confidence than I. Yeah, you'll be sitting the press box losing your mind on that one. You're ready, I'll text shift, Yeah, thanks, I'll watch the game. Start a chart, Yeah, exactly. Okay, how do we think kill them?

Moore is going to travel this week by ground or through the air. M I hope to God by the ground. Why is that Philadelphia one hundred and seventy six yards rushing, Den one hundred and forty nine yards rushing, Minnesota one hundred and ninety eight yard hope. But we said the Saints couldn't stop the run, right, Well, all I know,

there's three in a row. They they they averaged one hundred Those three teams average one hundred and seventy four yards a game, one hundred and seventy four five touchdowns. I'm actually with Mick because when that way, he'll get to see camp file unlock the right. Yeah. I like I like that because Zeke hasn't had many of those games he does, they try to get him involved early and get set that tone, get it reset, right. I think that's gonna happen. But I also think there's merit

to especially with gallop back. You can spread these guys out and try to attack them that way if King doesn't play, and maybe the opportunities potentially Yeah, well if they play their defense the way they played against Philadelphia with those wide gaps. Yeah, and and everybody real why all you gotta do is block one guy and he's through the whole Because it's wrong about that. Back is

not wrong about that. That's all they're talking about right now too, about how they've got to tighten up on their assignments defensively, that they left too many big gaps. I mean Delvin Cook had a seventy five yard running Yeah, sure it did. I mean questions you got left for us? Go ahead, and and I'll you have a call you want to get. Yeah, let's let's get to NEBBI before we take break, and we'll get you. We got questions on the other We got a questions all right, nab

what's up man? Uh? Hi guys, uh listen, uh, what's the status of time? Around Crawford for this game. And before I go, I also want to say that we have to keep uh, we have to keep Aaron Rodgers in the in the in the podcat. We have to tip passes, we have to beat balls. Uh, we have to run the football, and we have to score touchdowns. Take care, Thanks for being patient with me, and have a great week, by all right, Nobby that Bob covers it.

It's kind of talking about Brian's vision there. Get some hands in the face and try to affect him that way in the middle of the pocket. Absolutely, yeah, and I think that Crawford's not going to play. Yeah, so we've kind of talked about that a little bit, so you know, maybe next week we'll see how it goes. He was out working on the field yesterday, so it sound encouraging from Jason Garret yesterday the least. Maybe he's making progress making But it's it's that Rasidas. It's what

It's just it and it's in the other hip. It's not the one that's been repaired. So yeah, it's something he's going to have to deal with. You know, here we are, We're gonna be in week five and you know, maybe in week six, or seven. We're gonna see him out on the field, and then you're gonna have a buy and probably figure out what you need to do from there. All right, let's take our final break and we come back. Brian's got that's a full note. I got,

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Collins to play a couple plays at this last game and make Aaron Rodgers comfortable coming up the middle, yeah, boy, I think that would be huge for what they have going on the outside. With the two as rushers. Yeah, he's still my answer. My answer because that middle rush is really more problematic for quarterbacks than even the outside absolutely, yeah,

because they can survive the outside rush. It's that stuff up in their face that it gives them problems, right, and then you're you're falling right into the trap of Robert Quinnon to Marcus Lawrence coming off the edges. So I'll say I'll say Christian Covington at nose tackle providing a pass rush as well, assuming well, maybe Antoine gets back, but it looks like it will probably be Covington at

least for some snaps. I know they might be down receivers or receiver, but man, I just don't need a Woozier to get the ball over the top of him, you know when they go up and you know, Byron Jones I think has that ability to play the ball above him better with a Woozier. He's close, We've seen him finish a couple of times. But it kind of

these tall receivers. I've started thinking about that Dolphins game, you know, with that guy with Parker reaching up and him struggling with that, and the pass interferences and all that so I would say, I would say that a Woozier would be my guy. Did I need to? I need him to play well in this game, especially with these two tall, rangy receivers that they have on their team. Okay, other than the turnovers? What stat are you keeping your eye on in this game for key to victory other

than the turnover? Other than the turnovers? What stats are you keeping an eye on during this game? I'll go with the one I had yesterday. Can Green Bay be productive in the red zone because Rogers is going to move the ball and get them in position? But how does their running game fair against the Dallas defense or can they make them one dimensional particularly in the red zone. I think the stat I had was they had twenty two red zone plays against the Eagles and through at

nineteen times. That's not exactly balanced. Can they get them out of that as well? The Dallas defense in this game sacks ah. I was gonna say pressures, But pressures mean that Aaron Rodgers gets off as Mark uh Andy skill can throw the ball, he needs to be on the ground. Harriet. Does time of possession do anything for anybody being you're playing Rodgers? Or does that matter to try to keep him off the field. That is that is that something? And that was a question I had.

That was another question of are we what are we overthinking in this one game? Well, I don't am I overthinking keeping him off the field a little bit because in my opinion, because I don't look at this offense like the Bridgewater Saints offense where we've got to play keep away and we've got to just this. This can be an explosive offense. Score with thirty seconds, whether you keep the ball nine minutes or not, just get points

however you can. Now I realized the last two times they've lost to him, they left basically too much time on the clock. So I get you there, but you know, give me, give me a lead in the second half and then start pounding away at Zeke. That's that's like old school Cowboys, old school Cowboy, old school Super Bowl Mickey Spagnola Cowboys, Right yeah. But and it's a different team, right, Sure, But the Saints had the ball for thirty six minutes.

They scored twelve points, right So again, but they were they were, they had long possessions. Yeah, and that's on you, right, um so, but just because you get them out of there doesn't mean the offense is going to hold on to the ball. It doesn't even it out unless you drive the ball yourself. So I'll take thirty sixty minutes of possession and only twelve points and take my chance that I can win. Yeah. Yeah, that's the day of the week. So are you are you playing keep away

in this game? Are you just trying to score? No? Well, I want points, but he wants points. But he's gonna run the ball, yeah, which it's just hard to do. But I like what he's saying about. I'm I'm a guy that likes to be the physical aspect of the game. I believe in that. I think the Cowboys will do a better job of blocking this front too. But but I also understand though then when they throw the ball, they have good success doing that. They have the ability to.

Now now you're compromised at left tackle. You know, we're compromised the left tackle there, So yeah, I'm kind of That's why I was asking you about the Kellen Moore Does he traveled by land or by air? Well? Do you think? And Travis Frederick was asked about this yesterday, do you expect copycat from defenses and he said absolutely. Do you think other teams are going to try this

clog and cover thing and try to get away too? Yeah, I mean, but you got to have they But you gotta be able to have the front too, that's what at the front. Yeah, you have to have the front to do it. And you know, like you say, the Saints play a four man line, so you know, and they they'd had some problems, they'd had some problems against the run. Now let's see if the Packers have the same. Now, I remember when the Packers are coming in there, mickey

every time. Yesterday, the Packers are coming here with the number one ranked run defense in the in the league one time and got slaughtered on it. So here there are you know, on the other end of that, I'll see you if they if they stopped the Cowboys running the ball, then we need to do a deep dive in on what's going on with the Cowboys running game. Yeah, but I think we're banking on better success from this group to Pollard too, by the way, two offensive snaps

last week. Yeah, I think more Tony Pollard would be good. I'm with you. You don't want too much Aaron Rodgers right now. They need to get They need to get some juice going back in their passing game, and I realized a lot of it was part of the Saints game plan to try to keep everything in front of them. They were just missing those chunk plays though in that game. I mean I looked it up. Sixteen chunk plays in the first three games and they all resulted on scoring

drives except for one. They've they've been feasting off those. They need to get back to them. Yeah, Packers are twenty six against the run. Yeah. So I asked the question about this wide gap front. Yeah, I said, does that what they do all the time or was that just against Philly? Do you think that's going to happen

to you? And the answer was, there's no way they're gonna They're gonna squeeze it down to have to there not going to leave those gaps between the three defensive linemen up front, and there was a term for it, but squeezing it down and clogging it a little bit more inside. So maybe you get an opportunity to get the ball on the edge, Yeah, I hope. So I was hoping that last week with Pollard and Zeke both last question today, boys, where we continue to see Jason

Garrett gamble on fourth down. Well, it's not a gamble, it's it's Yeah, I think when you see how the game was going, Yeah, I think it's a calculator risk when you go for it on your own forty three. Yeah, but you got Ezekiel Elliott, you got this offensive line, you needed one yard, you got, you got it, you got it right, and you had to look at how the game was going. Sure, you needed to keep possessions because you needed somehow some way to score a point. Right,

So to me, you gotta look at you know. And I'd listened to how Bill Belichick answered the question the other day when everybody jumped on him about analytics, and he basically said, I watched the game and I have to have a feel for how it's going, how my team is performing, what the other team is, what's the situation in the game. I just can't have a number. Tell me, Okay, on fourth down, you'll make it sixty

percent of the time if it's two yards or less. Right. Also, your team you got and you got to know the situation of the game. And if you need a possession to continue and you think it's worth it, then go for it, especially if you're you know, somewhere on the other side of your own forty yard line. Yeah, I don't. I don't think he's lost any faith in Zeke and the old so I don't think so. Yeah, I hope he does. I like to, you know, I like when

he does that. I you know what, And I've been critical of him in the past, but I mean I'm okay with him knowing his team and if he needs to go and get an extra keep a drive, going to maybe get points. Yeah. Absolutely. Now if it's fourth and one at your own twenty, it's a different story. Belichick's done that before. Yeah, and he has. Yeah, but you gotta know your team, got on your team, because otherwise you're saying, Okay, I'm willing to give up three points. Yeah. Absolutely.

How we're doing, guys, Well, we're almost done, coach. We've got two minutes left. Good stuff, Brian, thank you, good answer. With two minutes left. Rob in Vegas, you got the final word quickly on talking Cowboys today. You know you guys we're talking about should we run a pass? I think we should run, but not with Zeke. I think Dak is the one that needs to run off. Okay, when he when he runs for over twenty five yards, they're twelve and four. And when he and when he

goes for over forty, he's undefeated. I mean, and you're telling me these guys are gonna play why they're going to crash down? To me, he gets run option all over it. They should have did it on those third and two plays in New Orleans. I think he's made for that. You never see him lose yardage when he runs that play. He may not run for ten, but he's such a big body guy. And to me, that's what gets this offense really going and makes it dangerous. It gets him fired up, the offense fired up, and

it demoralizes the defense. And I just think that's what this team needs to do, is it true? Okay, much throwing a boat down the field. Yeah, but he can't. Can't forget about using and delay all fair, Rob appreciate. I'm gonna send that message down the hallway. Yes, Mickey and Mickey will he needs he needs twenty five yards and they win. I was thinking forty. There's the magic number right there. Yeah, twenty five yards there, twelve and four? Is that is that what you think? That's what he said.

So you know what good stuff. I thinks that Rob maybe three or four in that first possession. Just let him run and get in twenty five and then call to win. It's a win. Okay. Well that's we'll talk to Mickey and that's our magic number for the day, and that's talking Cowboys for today. We'll catch you guys back on Friday. The break is next. This has been a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. Hmm