Sebastian Bach Returns

Talk Is Jericho Baby Talk Is Jericho Talk Is Jericho Mama Talk Is Me! Alright, welcome to Talk Is Jericho. It's the part of Thunder and Rock and Roll. And today it is the Rock and Roll as Sebastian Bach Returns to TIJ. It's just as crazy and as chaotic as you think it's going to be. I want to Sebastian's house in LA and sat in his living room with him and his three-year-old step-son trace

and his turntable and album collection. Sebastian's a vinyl collector and he's going to walk us through some of his more recent albums, finds and plays some of them for us, which he insisted. But the real reason why I was at Baza's house was to talk about his tremendous new book, 18-In-Life on Skid Rowets, now and it's a great read. Sebastian wrote it himself. He was actually influenced by my four books. It really is the epitome of sex, drugs and rock and roll.

It's everything the metal scene was in the late 80s and early 90s. And you're going to hear a couple of the stories that Sebastian wrote about in the book right here on this show, including stuff from Skid Rowets tour with Guns and Roses in the early days, the stories with their tour with Pantera. A great prank that Pantera pulled on Sebastian when they opened for Skid Row. Sebastian's run in with Tommy Lee of Motley Crew backstage in Moscow and the entire Bon Jovi family, father included.

Of course, the infamous San Francisco night, he and Laura's Ulrich, talk as Jericho alumni, when they stayed up partying all night. And what happened with Sebastian's grandmother came knocking on the door the next morning. It's another wild ride with one of my favorite characters in rock and roll, Sebastian Buck. It's coming up. Talk is Jericho. We're at Sebastian Box House in the Hollywood Hills. And we're rolling, right? We're rolling, baby.

We're listening to a little bit on some April wine, which is perfect. Two Canadians. I like Sebastian Buck. I like the Buck. That's right. I like the rock. Some like the Buck, baby. Woo! Dude, did you ever use to sing these songs? Did you ever do a lot of that? Yeah, because like there was in the early 80s this amazing time of all these great Canadian bands that came out of it at the same time frame. Well, let's paint the picture for our listeners here. We are in my living room.

I have four record players in this house. There's an insane system in the dining room. This is the best one here. I got another one downstairs. And I collected. Yeah, it sounds great to me. It just sounds, see what vinyl does. It's a capture that's here that it was made. This sounds like 78 to me or 81. It's far as the sound that you've bought of it. Think of the variables involved in putting out an album.

You're talking about the equipment that it's everything that touches it from recording to mastering, to where it's mastered, to what it's mastered on. What the technology was at that time. You know what I'm saying? That's right, right, right. You buy an old record that was made then. That's what it sounded like then. Yeah. That's what I'm interested in. That's interesting. And you know, I read an article online, like the bands in the mid 90s, like Smashmouth. Okay, they're big hit.

Mr. Rockstar, whatever. Hey, now you're Rockstar. They tried to remix that, okay, for a new release recently, okay. But what happened was you know when you buy your computer, all the plugins, like Netscape Communicator, stuff that was out in 96, okay. They recorded that song with these outdated plugins that don't exist anymore. So when they call it back up, up on the board, without all these computer plugins, it's unmixable. Absolutely. Oh, wow.

So it's like some songs if you don't have your Netscape Communicator version two, you know what I mean? You can never be changed. That's right. So that's why when people get in this argument about analog versus digital, I'm a member of this Facebook group called Kiss My Wax, which is fanatical about collecting records. And there's an argument on there that has to do with the reissues that came out versus the original copy. And to me, the reissues are awesome, but they sound like 2014.

When you get a clean original copy of a record, it sounds like the year it was made. That's why there's such a collector's premium now. It's amazing. You forget too when you listen to a record sonically. How much better it is, how much more detail, how intricate it is, the tambourine, right now actually the tambourine is going to come in, and you can hear it. Whereas if you're listening through your iPhone, it's impossible because it's a small little speaker. That's right.

But that's what most music is listened to now. I know. Well, I don't listen to that like that. I do when I'm on the go. I'm on the airplane. I can't bring my record player. So there's definitely something to be said for that. And those guys that tour, like we did a tour with Theory of a Deadman, and they bring their record player on the road with them in the late case and set it up. Did they have one on the bus? I don't think they have one on the bus. Because I want to put one on the bus.

But you'd have to get some kind of a moving pace for it. But it would be so killer to play records on the bus. Yeah. So do you collect vinyl? Yes. Intensely do you buy rare stuff? Yeah. I just went to the Pasadena record swap yesterday. And I picked up Queen Sheer Heart Attack, Japanese present. Wow. Okay. From 72. It's right over there. 30 bucks. That was the most I paid. Steely Dan Krezzel Logic Quadrophonic mix. Okay. Like you never see that. Yeah. And it sounds crazy. Do you?

I like like the special versions of records that were put out then. But like mobile fidelity sound versions or the, you know what I mean? Like the audio file versions of old records are crazy. So it's real technical stuff that you're talking about here. Well, they would print special versions like half speed mastered version of like Dooby Brothers, Minnet by Minute. And it like makes you or like white label promos. And what is that? That's like a first ever printing of a record.

I know all of these yesterday at Amoeba. Where'd you get them from? Pasadena. Oh, it's sort of the Pasadena. It's a first thing. Like a flea market. Yeah. This is an Aerosmith white label promo. Hold this dude. Like that's like a test press. So you can't get much more close to the sound. The Aerosmith. This Aerosmith night. What's going for? And it says demonstration not for sale. Right? What I bought yesterday. I love that's like a treasure to me. Just find this in a flea market. Yeah, I know.

Right? And what I pay, 19 bucks for the white label promo. Here's your 19 bucks. Yeah, dude. Space 1999. I'm the exciting new series on vinyl. I've never seen that. Are they the stories on here or something? I haven't put it on. I haven't put it on. But I bought it just for fun. And that's what they used to do. I got this with like the order form. We're looking at draw the line with a draw the line. T-shirt special offer order form. Yeah, you can get a whopping six dollars for that. Super disc.

Listen to the difference. Doobie brothers. This is more the sonic. Yeah, an audio file version of like what a fool believes. Wow. The great album cover of the Doobie brothers. Jeff Skunk backstair just killing. Harusmith rocks, which I already have, but I bought this only because it's a first pressing for three bucks. Three bucks. I'll take it. Here's the Quadraphonic Steely Dan. And pretzel logic. ABC record. And it actually says Quadraphonic. I can't. I can't. I can't. I can't.

Queen. Sheeran Jack. 72. With the Japanese right. This one was a little more expensive. 30 bucks. Yeah, which is well worth it. Yeah, which is which gives you quality. Instead of sounds in one day. That makes me happy, man. And those are like treasures to me. And this is one thing I always love time because you are still a huge music fan, like you love even though you're a huge rock star on your own right, still in a second would be asking Brian made, you know, to tell you stories about

Sheerhard attack, you know. Yeah, but I'm also like a collector. I love collecting things and comics and and this vinyl thing is like so fun because for years like everybody else I just been downloading files right on my phone. Yeah, yeah. And it's so different. Like it's such a different scene. Right. You can't stumble across a Japanese first pressing MP3 on the internet. Like I used to love I found I used to love the experience of buying an album where you were

plastic and you would run your thumb down the side of it to smell. Yeah, you would smell that that the vinyl smell. I love that. And then pull it out and be excited if there was liner notes. So bands didn't have them. AC DC never had them. True. But then you know, you're talking about like kiss or I made they would they would take advantage of this. Yeah, and always give you something cool. Like a cracker jack box. Yeah, I was like, AC DC is kid. Well, I don't want to act

him. Who do you like? I love this. It's a real trace. We can be coming to Sebastian's house. We got music playing. We're looking at records. Traces hanging out. He's three years old. There's my dog all around. Everybody's around. We got coffee going. Coffee's coming over. You lovely. Hey baby. It's a classic Sebastian. Oh, I got the, oh, he gets the perfect kiss or what? We'll get it away from the Japanese first. Don't spill a coffee. I got an incredible

whole. I put this albums over there. Thank you. You got the kiss mug. Can't have those anywhere near. Okay. So we're here. We want to talk about your great new book. Thank you. It's really well done. Thank you. Life with on skid row. That's right. With skid row or on slide. Skid row. Think life on skid row. Got it. You understand? With an 18 and in front of it. Well, that's when it started. Yeah. But it's a life sentence. You never

asked what do you get when it's 18 and life on skid row? What do you get? But dude, we don't know what that reference is. It doesn't matter whether they kick me out of the band or whether I'm in the band or whether I'm not in the band. Just like Vince Neal or countless other frontman that labels put on me for the rest of my life. That's just the way it is. You're always going to be the voice when I walk out this door. That's what I hear along with the Gilmore Girls

trailer park boys. But you know, that's just the public. That's the public. But you see, we have a lot in common though. You're very good at building the Sebastian Bach brand. You've done a lot of stuff. You just mentioned very briefly things you've done outside of rock and roll. Gilmore girls the whole Broadway experience, the trailer park boys. I mean, you've done a good job at

kind of doing a lot of different things. Thank you for saying that. And one of my favorite reviews of the book, like the LA Weekly, they were doing an interview with me. And the guy came out and said he goes, okay, you haven't been a skier all for a long time. But do you think that because you haven't been in that band, your career has been more interesting. And I did. If you're looking as far as content versus form, I would say my career has been more interesting because you

were not good. I'm just saying I have been allowed to do different things that possibly I would not have been able to do if I was just in that band and I was not allowed to do anything else. And almost forced you to have to. And that's exactly right. Yeah. I had to just concentrate on what's in the album or what's in the show is what the name of it is. It's interesting because you're talking about you know, being a leaving seat row, being out of skid row, getting kicked out

whatever it may be. A lot of guys would instantly go and start doing their own record or you actually go the other way around and go to Broadway. I know it wasn't right after, but it was fairly. It was right after pretty much. No, well, yeah, four years, maybe four years. That's right. Right. I just love singing. And I liked, I liked singing before I liked rock and roll. If anybody that's read the book knows that I was in the church choir and rock and roll definitely came to me.

The same way Broadway came to me. I didn't ever go try to be on Broadway. They were told by Jason Flom because they came to him. They go, we want a rock star. He was the one that told them it's Sebastian. That's the guy that will do this and he had to convince me that I could do it. I didn't think I could do it. As far as the acting side, I didn't think I was as good enough actor because I had never done it. I had only

done acting in high school. I actually did do one major play in high school, but obviously not the same, but it was after McGreet, Tom Stopper. I played the inspector. But anyways, when I went to see the play, Jacqueline Hyde, it immediately reminded me of Lakefield College School where I went because there were songs in there that I sang in my choir. Like land of hope and glory. There's a scene at the end of the play where Dr. Juck gets married

and the choir singing an old hymn that I used to sing in my choir. I'm watching to go, this is crazy. I have to do this. I love doing it. I just love singing. I don't have rules. Even in heavy metal. My goal right now, I'm about to start on a new record. My goal is to totally make a vinyl album as far as the sound and everything. I'm going to concentrate on that. Whatever process that entails, I'm going to make a record like

this, Aper Wine record that I can drop the needle. It'll have these kind of sound qualities vinyl first. Yes. Then the CD. Yes. That's what I want to do. I can do whatever I want to do. That's what I want to do. That's what I'm going to try as hard as I can to do. What were we talking about before? Well, you mentioned you're talking about, I'll take it over, you're talking about your boat, we're talking about the play and all these different

things that you do. One of them now is being an author and writing a book. You can do anything you want. One thing I found interesting is that you wrote this book yourself. 100 percent. Which is what I've done the same thing. It comes through. It sounds like talking to Sebastian Bach. When the Lord, you know how you have to go through this process of the lawyer. Yeah, I hated that. I made me not want to put the book out because he told

me all the ways and get sued. Was there a lot of things you had to change because of that? Well, they told me to change the names of my childhood friends who like I did acid with. I go, those guys will be. Stoke. They made the bro. They're so way of changing. But I wait. The record is ended. Yeah, we just need a robot arm to change it over. Why do you remember those old? They did have those, didn't they? No, you remember you could

get at record players that would change it for you? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. They would pick it up and turn it over and drop it down. All right, we went from, oh, you're actually opening it. I've never even listened to you. See, look at that. You actually are sticking your thumb in there and opening the the album. I can't see the cover of it though. What is it? Oh, it's a Sebastian Bach kicking and screaming. I don't have good. That was one

of the things that made me feel like a rock star when my record came out on vinyl. You know what I mean? Yeah, because you know, you said the vinyl. Absolutely. Because like you said, you can actually hold it. You're looking at it. You see the actual dudes in the band. Sound. Yeah, and the sound. The sound. We're talking about writing the book. Something for you. Oh, you do. Look at this. Trace just drew me a picture. Thank you, buddy.

So nice. What drew one for Sebastian as well? It's a tiger, I think. Is that a tiger? Oh, is this dashing? Okay, let's do our interview here, buddy. Okay. Yeah, writing the book. The chaos of some magic drive and run like in your truck. Listen to this. You're like, what the hell? They are really already living. Yeah, we really are. This is the real Sebastian. I always love talking to you because it always goes off into chaotic. That's funny, which is after

love it though. But so we know we're talking about writing the book and writing the book. Okay, the lawyer, the lawyer, right. So he raised me back. Because because let me read this back to you. And I go, I was in the air going to Moscow. Tommy Lee came up. I had a bottle of jack. We started drinking jack. Okay. And paraphrasing. And then Tommy wanted to beat the ass because did you pull me in the car? Like walking towards me backstage in Moscow.

And I was like, Hey, use with all the motley, nicking Vince, make they were coming this way. And I was coming this way. And I go, Hey, man, I, hey guys. Tommy. Crabbs me. Pulls me inside into the like into a fence. This is just. Tell somebody like, drag Jack into plane. The lawyer's reading this to me. And he's going, No, I didn't. Well, yes, I did. No, no, I didn't. We have to say it. No, no, I didn't. Yes, of course I did.

And the lawyer's because it goes, that was as cool as getting a platinum record in 89, doing a shot with Tommy Lee of Motley crew in the fucking plane going to Russia. Of course, I told him. And the lawyer's reading it back because he goes, he really did write this yourself. Yeah, he goes because it's stuff like this, but you never would have got in your book. If somebody else wrote it. Yes, exactly. Like the way you're subscribing and insured. No, I didn't.

Yes, I did. No, I did. Of course I did. Because the only one. You have to die. I haven't, you know, funnily enough Tommy Lee's sister said she's coming over here right now. Oh, I haven't talked to Tommy in a while. You know what the funny thing is about the book. People were worried if people were going to get mad, you know, but shit, I'm writing about. I haven't heard one thing from anybody except for Eddie Trunk. He's the only guy that I heard

anything about what he said. Just not. He's a whole other story. But um, but that's, oh yeah, Eric Loveglass, too. So another, those are the only guys that go, Hey, what's up? And like, no, nobody cares about like what happened on the last show of the bond joley tour. Right. Yeah. Because there was a crazy headline in New York Post. The day the book came out, it goes, John Bond, joley's father quote, unquote, threatened to kill Sebastian Bond. That was the headline in the

post. And I'm like, that's a crazy headline. Great. But who cares though? This was a long time. Tell that story briefly. That was just great. That was an instance where I learned if you insult one Italian, the whole family is coming out here. Right. Plus two Canada, like it's not really like, like you saw the Canadian, the grandpa really doesn't come down and kick your, I guess in Italy, that's the way they do it. We're doing you do insult them from stage when you're opening for them.

Well, as you remember back in those days, there was this whole custom of end of tour high jinx, which was where bands would play pranks on each other. I hated that shit. I throw my eggs on you or silly stringers. It's hard enough trying to sing that shit. Yeah. I don't need to be being pelted with fart bombs or whatever. And so I never liked that. But that was, yeah, I read the book for the end of that. But that was when Bon Jovi was pranking Skid Row and basically, yeah,

dumped a bunch of cold milk. Yeah, they took it. Yeah, it's better in the book. Right, but it's just the basic story. Well, okay. I was walking. Okay. I was walking to the stage. The lights went black for the opening of the show. The arena's pitch black. Three or four roadies. I couldn't see because I'm going to like this. Grab me by my back, pull me under the stage and by the back of the

hair and shove my head into a vat of ice milk. Milk, not even water. Yeah, milk. Milk. I go, what the and I came up and you know when you go swimming and it's too cold and your bones go, vertigo. Yeah, vertigo. And the song's going like the opening. Yes, my song and I run up there and I'm tripping in milk and Rachel is like, what the like I missed the whole first verse. So further, but bands used to do that. We all used to do that.

I think one of those stupider times was when I was on the road in 97 with Pantera, my solo band out of the goodness of their heart. Nobody knew why, but they brought me on tour for two weeks. Pantera and anthrax and my solo band. And one time I go on stage and my lips start burning. I go, what the and I start wiping that I wiped into my eyes and my eyes are burning on stage. Like really bad. I go, what the and I turn to my book and dime bag is over there with a

bottle of Tabasco. And they had doused my mic and it sucked. It really sucked with they were laughing their heads off. But they took you out because you took the just get rid of and tear out when they were just young band. We took them on the volder display of power tour. And that was how they broke. I'm not saying that's why they broke, but making it big in rock and roll is a combination of timing and opportunity. And that is when Pantera broke was on the road with

Skid Row. I mean, Guy Sykes and Rex Brown can try to rewrite history in their book, but that's the fact. They didn't make it opening up for Sacred Reich. Okay. Like give me a break. But that must have been a good kick in the ass for you guys because Skid Row is a deceptively heavy band. Like you think of Skid Row a lot of people think 18 in life, which is a great side of Skid Row, but heavy, heavy, heavy stuff, especially on Slavery to the Grind and forward.

Monkey businesses very heavy slave is heavy. Thread is heavy. You know, riot act is a lot of great stuff on there. You know, it's really much frozen off of the beginning of that is really crazy. I'm thinking of adding that back to this stuff. So when you go on tour with Pantera at this time frame and seeing how heavy and how intense they were to that influence you, well, some certain gigs.

I mean, when you go and you do a tour, it's 100 gigs, you know. So some nights are different than others, but I will tell you that a couple nights was no fun following those mother for hate. Because they were on fire. This is when Phil on Selmo performed shirtless every night. That's how long ago that shit was. I mean, he was ripped. He was like a god. He looked like Rollins. Right. All working out and a different style of look at the time that kind of a shape.

Yeah, but me and me. Yeah, me. You know, you rock that's what's up. And style where you should call him. Right. But he cared about his appearance then. I'm not saying he doesn't now, but he doesn't know. He did then. He did. He was a frontman who looked amazing on stage and intimidating and and what with them amazing songs. Sure. And their live power. It was they were deadly, deadly changing the style of what was happening. Yeah, there was no

band. It sounded like a slayer meat, ZZ top. That's what they sound like with the Van Halen vibe of fun. They had groove. Yes. Which a lot of people don't associate with that. But that was their secret. That's their secret. Their pocket. You know, it was a perfect band for that. And they have very intelligent lyrics. I thought at the time now that there's that controversy that happened. And I don't know if those lyrics were saying something that I didn't even think about.

I didn't think about it. Which freaks me out. And I hate thinking about. But that's really none of my business. Right. Sure. Talk is Jericho. So when you're talking about writing a book and obviously like you said, it takes so much time. And your book is long. Yeah. It's 400 plus pages. I wanted it to be content because you only get one chance to make a first impression. And my whole vibe just the way it's same as Broadway. I want to write many, many books. I don't want like you for

these three books. Yeah. That's incredible to me. I enjoy writing. That's why I like it. Yeah. You know, I like it. It's like making a record. You start with nothing and you create this thing. And you're constantly revising it. It's making a very long record. Yeah. I equaled it out like if you're talking about how much money you make per hour writing a book, it's about seven cents. That's right. You know, because you're putting hundreds of hours in it.

For four years, four years to do. You know, I got to say, writing about your childhood is more fun writing about your adulthood. Yeah. Well, because you have to be back. But also when you're a kid, you're so innocent and wide-eyed. And if you really describe what that's like, it's like a joy. It's right about when you're a little boy, you know. And then you become an adult. You're like, life is heavy. But I love reading about like about your dad because obviously your dad's always

kind of been a part of of your legacy painted the slave of the grind. You know, reading about him as a dude. He was wild. You know, it must have been kind of interesting. You know, and I judge things on whether I this is going to sound really wrong. I don't know. Okay. You know, Netflix, you're allowed to rate every movie. And I love doing that because everybody rates my shit. So I can't every time I watch I'm going, what am I going to give this? This is three stars, four stars.

Five stars. Only time I will give a five star. This one I tears come to my eyes. It sounds really. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know what the word like. Yeah. Yeah. We used to use a different word. We know we're talking. We can't use that anymore. But anyways, but if I if that happens and it does a lot, then I give it the movie five stars because what am I watching it for? I want to feel something. Like, okay, we're talking about dads and stuff. I remember watching movies for the first Marvel

4. And I was watching. I was enjoying it. I was formulating my review though. And I was going, I was going, this is like a four star that not quite a five, but not like a, I really dug it. Then the scene happened where that giant robot was in the town. And Thor didn't have his hammer. And and that huge thing is coming at him. And then his dad in heaven, so it's given the hammer. And it comes through space. And like that killed me. That destroyed me. That made me cry.

And that made Thor a five star. Okay. Right. Because that's a dad thing, you know, on a son. I'm taking this. I think, you know, as much as I can't even fathom the new politic scene that we live in, I can't even deal with it. I can't even, I don't have anything to say because it doesn't matter now. But like Tom Brady catches shit for being Donald Trump's friend, right? But then he's like crying on TV about his dad. Right. And then I'm like, I don't care if he

likes Donald Trump. Like he, I'm relating to him. Because I think everybody feels like that. Even if they love them or they hate them. Because it's a thin line, you know. Yeah. People that were abused by their parents hate them more than anything. Right. But my dad turned me on to rock and roll and comic books. It's a great story of when he took you to see kids. It changed my whole personality. Yeah. Well, that made me cry. Uh-huh. Because it's all about family and rock

and roll together. And that's when I knew my book was very close to being done. Okay. Because if I'm reading it and I'm getting that reaction, I go, okay, you're pretty much done. Like because you can't even read it. Like, well, I'll I'll I'll I'll I'll I'll I'll much more do you want to do. Right. Right. Right. You also had a great kind of a mindset where you weren't not protecting anything, but you you let it all hang out. Well, you know, something I know I didn't really. There was lots more.

There's plenty of stories in there that where you did let it hang out. Yeah, but but um going into writing a book, I was like, I'm going to tell this sex story. I was thinking a lot about sex. Like guys think about sex, right? And I have a lot of shit that I can tell. And I wrote it a lot of it down, planning to have it in the book. Then I would read it back. Then she unzipped my fly and reached for my manhood. And I go, dude, you're like Billy Bush on a

train with Donald Trump grabbing pussy. Like, what are you doing? Like, I just felt like a creep reading it back. Like, it didn't feel right. Like, what are you in a musician? Are you John Holmes? Like, what are you kind of dragging about it? That's what I didn't. Yeah. Cause of books forever. And the thing is, it's obvious. I mean, dude, 1989, you're like, you're pit of me of a rock star. Good looking guy, great hair, great singer. It's pretty much common knowledge that you're

probably having a lot of female before I got married. Yeah, of course. But so you don't have to hammer that home. We get it. And I don't, I don't, I don't like what it's not good. Good. I don't, I don't like to read. I mean, that's kind of gross. I read Paul DeAnne's book. Oh, I didn't. He's talking about like every chapter. I shagged his butt. I'm not just like, dude, it's like, you're like enough. We get it. Paul. Okay. Great. See, I read Joe Perry's, I've read

all the books. I'm sure you have to. Joe Perry's blew me away. I loved it. It was just about music. Mm-hmm. I mean, and I'm like, this is what I'm into. Yeah. I'm into me. I'm into it. That's what I'm into. Yeah. I don't care how many chicks he f**ked. Like, I know that. I mean, I mean, a little of that goes a long way. There is some in here, but nothing. What I did like was, it's a great quote. I've heard it before, but it's like, you know, I didn't like cocaine. I like the way it smelled.

I think I stole it from someone. It's got to be from like Lamy or something. It's a great rock and roll quote, you know, they wanted to put that in the, they put that in the bag. I go, I don't want that in the bag of the book. They go, no, we love that. We love that. I go, okay. There's so many great stories and trust me. It's a great book, but there's one story. I want you

to tell me about you and Lars and your grandmother. Oh, well, it's a long, I don't, you know, I don't want to just give it away, but, um, you know, back in those days, we did, we did a lot of coke. Well, this is a long time ago. That's why, you know, everything is dated in the book. I put where it happened, what when the year was, you know, because I don't want anybody thinking that he's doing the shit now and his new tour, you know, because it's just, this is about a long time

ago, but the fact of the matter is in the 80s and early 90s, rocker roll pants did cocaine. We liked it. We did thought it was killer. That's just the way it was. We didn't know any different. That's the way it was. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I mean, we went to Lars like, he's bashed you. Let's go score some blow. And I'm like, all right. So this was after me and Lars and Steven Tyler went to the Ferrell Brothers strip club that iconic, I can't remember the name of it. Uh, that fan,

they made a movie about it in Hollywood. And no, a big movie about this strip club that's in San Francisco, the old Ferrell Brothers, old Ferrelli Brothers, something like that. So Steven Tyler and me and Lars went there and they hand out blazer pointers to people so you can like point it, they're plus these stuff. No, here I'm going into that territory. So after that place closed, Lars said, let's go get some blow. So we drove to someplace in Oakland, I remember. Some house,

you don't want to street and he pulls up his car. Well, you see right here. I'll be right back. So I was like, that because he was in the off the door for a while. So I was like, what's going on? So I got out of the car. I went up and he got, I go, let's go. There's nobody here. Like the sun was coming up. And it was up. And he goes, oh, it's okay, man. It's all right. And he's like, and then all of a sudden the blinds go up and there's a dude with a rifle cock pointed right at Lars

just had about to blow his head off. I go, wow. And he's like, okay, man, it's me, man. And it goes, oh, no problem. But I got down. Lars goes in. I go back to the car. I didn't go in there. Right. Lars comes back. And we go to his house. We go up to, you know, get some beers. He had an elevator at his house. First house I ever went to that elevator. Yeah, I was like, this is amazing. So then as we're partying, he goes to Bastion. I want to take you down in the garage.

And I want to play the ultimate car stereo of all time. I was like, kill that we always used to go in my garage in Jersey, in my car and get up and listen to my stereo. Yeah. So I go, okay. So we go down there. We sit in his car. And he's like, okay, you ready? Yeah. And he turns it all on. It's all lit up. He looks at me. He's got it cranked. There's no sound. I go, what? He goes, hang on a second, man. He keeps going with it. There's no sound. Nothing. And then he turns

around. He looks in the back seat and his windows have been smashed out. And where the speakers used to be was like two wires coming out of the side of his car. He's like, oh, man. And then everybody just starts laughing. Because he's so rich. Yeah. Like who cares? He's in Metallica. Yeah. So that was funny. But then, you know, we went upstairs. We kept partying. All of a sudden there's a not a not a door. It's like 11 a.m. 12 noon or something. We're gone. Shaking. And we think it's

the fucking guy with the rifle. We don't know who the fucking is. The door opens up and then walks my grandma. Like, what's the bad? And I'm so high that I can't even like, I can't. And I have forgotten that I had told my grandma that I was spending the night at Lars and she could cut a get me. We were going to have a day together at a family reunion. And so I had to get read it noon while Lars went to bed. He's drinking beers going to sleep. He's laughing his fucking

head off. He said, oh, yeah, he's laughing. He goes, he's the bastard. It's your grandma. So that me and grandma, I was acting for some weird reason. I was okay. Because it's your grandma. I messed up. How could I be okay? That's. This was a long time ago. But that's what I mean. They just say it's warts and all you tell the stories. If you're writing a book, you gotta write an entertaining book. One one thing I've got to say about the book is that I was one thing I didn't

foresee. Some people were mad that they weren't in it enough. I'm not going to mention names. Okay. But it's like humorous. Yeah. Like dude, like, you know, why wasn't I in this part more? I go, I go, I didn't sit down for four years and have a list. Right. Of people that I'm going to put in my book, a list of people I'm not. I just tortured myself to make something worth reading. No matter what it was, like there's like weird sequences in the book of like of dreams that I've

had that are strange. That the book coming is like, well, we should leave those in there. Should we take them out? I go, I'll leave them in there. And they're like, yeah, because it's like dynamics. If you've got all craziness, it's like boring. You have to have light and shade, you know. And there was one version of the book that never came out that they put all the bad shit like at the beginning. Like they had me doing lines of speed with Lemmy in his apartment before we put out

our first record. I go, what are you doing? I go, the reason I got to that was because of the record. If I was doing that before that, what a loser. What a sad loser. I wasn't doing speed with Lemmy before I put out my record. But you gotta be beware of that sort of. Yes, because I wouldn't have ever met Lemmy. Yeah, yeah. What if I didn't put out a record record? Yeah, it's like, right. Everything had to be a suit as there was another version that had they took out all of the time and

dates that we were talking about. I thought, why would you do that? I think it's very confusing as the reader to follow. If the if it's not, that's right. But to me, it's like that's what he's doing now. Like he's out with Lars doing blow. Look at this has to say 1990. He always was very cognizant of that. And also saying how old I was at the time. For me, when I read a book, I was wondering how old he was. So I'd always drop in the 31 at the time. Because certain things you

would do then are not cool. When I was 23, I was doing this, which makes sense for a 23-year-old. Exactly. But once again, so many great stories, entertaining stories. There's a real great relationship with you and Axel Rose for 25 years, which we saw firsthand at Eddie Trunk Studio, the famous story when we were there. Dude, I got a text from Axel Rose and he was nowhere. He was hiding at the time. And we didn't think he was going to come to the studio. I was like, come on, there's

no way he's coming. And then he did. He showed up. That was legendary. But then that led to you guys kind of reigniting your friendship. Because you were friends in the early 90s touring with Guns and Roses and Skid Row. Yeah. Skid Row, we opened up the full user illusion tour USA and Europe. And you know, you got to mention shit like that to clarify history. Because people don't really, history gets rewritten as the years go on. So that's the fact right there, folks.

I know you read and depressed Metallica and Faith No More opened up the user illusion tour most of the time. We opened the first past. So you're talking the factual first tour. The year time with the stadium tour that was Metallica and Faith. Well, that was after we were done. Right. Yeah. Then we went on our own headline with content. And it was just that in early 90s. It was as big as you can get. It was three nights in every place, not one night. And neither of us

had a record. Okay. Slaved to the grind didn't come out till like a month into that tour. Wow. Guns and Roses didn't have user illusion. So after slaved to the grind, neither of us had a new record. Right. Right. And we were doing three sold out nights, four sold out nights in every city. Just because both fans are so huge. Well, they're bigger. No, so let's get honest. But we were very big. What you guys wrote your peak as well. We were like, you know, you know, we sold 20

million. They sold like 100 million. But you think about early 91, the four bands all debuted at number one. It was Guns and Roses, a Skid Row Metallica. You walk around these walls and you can go count them up. And there's records hanging on the wall. So I was actually thinking how cool it would have been if when Guns and Roses did the reunion tour that you guys did it. It could have happened. You know, I don't know if I can get into that. But there was talk of all that. And

it's yeah, so crazy situation. But once again, that's something that you said you always get constantly asked about this and constantly Skid Row Skid Row Skid. Well, I know why because we're five human beings on a planet that are still alive, that have this opportunity sitting in front of us, that we are just collectively not taking. And people are like, what a bunch of Canadians. Not I include myself in that. Okay, because I'm part of it. But I don't know what I

was like to do. I don't know what I can't do. I don't know what else to do. All I know is that I have a manager Rick sales. He deals with them. And that's the only way it's going to happen. So kind of waiting to see in the meantime, you're going to make another record. Yes, yes, vinyl 70s style. Yeah, I want to I want to make an album that sounds like the albums that I love production wise. But listen to kick and scream right now. Sounds great. But you work a lot,

dude. You're constantly touring. I mean, it's a rare time that you're home right now. Yes. But you're out. I mean, we were actually in Mexico City. We had a show there and you were there as well. We did 50 cities from October to December. That includes a book tour. But we did 40. My solo band. We did 40 shows 40 shows in that time. We got to switch the side now or switch the record. We're not sure exactly what we got yet. And then the vinyl continues. Keep the block going. I like to block. Baby.

It's great. They're just looking around here. You got an awesome picture of the Eagles. That's a great picture. You got rare, rare piece. The rush little dolls there. You know, so much cool stuff. The American. Oh, wow. For favorite new artists, heavy metal. Yeah. It's a bit of a lot. Once you get all that stuff, it just reads so well in the book, because you had so many great experiences. Well, this is, you know, when you go to the bookstore,

there's no books on Skid Row. There's books on every other band. Like there's five Bon Jovi books. Stephen Aller's mom has a book. Like, but there's zero on Skid Row. Like, there's books on Cinderella, I think. I probably is. Yeah, maybe. I don't know. Not well read it, but yeah. But, uh, so this was the first chance. And I fully expect and welcome Rachel to do a book. Snake to do a book. I'm probably completely different

perspective. Interest is there to tell you the story. It's never been told. That's right. You know, what I like to book to is because, I mean, you're a big dude. You were on the scene at like 15 years old. Yeah. You know, because if you had you puffed your hair out in your six foot, five, whatever, you probably looked like you were 20 years old. And I wore it. That was the times when we wore so much makeup. Right. Like tons. Yeah. How were you doing that at 15 years old? I was

14 when I first played Larry's Hideaway. And I was just so tall. And I looked like, like, just tons of makeup. And they didn't, like, I was just so big. They didn't make all the, you can't get assumed. Yeah. And I wore boots. Right. I was fucking like a gazelle. Yeah. It's such a long time ago that you actually had pubic hair to light on fire. That's a great story. True that. That's how long ago that was. You actually had your pubes lit on fire.

I actually got crabs because there was somewhere for them to live. That's a big thing. There's no, but why did your, why did your pubes get a little fire? I was just, I was a pure platinum down in Florida. Yeah. It's drunk. See, I can't drink whiskey. I can't, the only, the only, there's something about my personality that cannot handle hard alcohol. I can't handle it. Yeah. I can't. It goes in my blood. And I'm fucked. I am, I'm crazy.

Right, right. I've seen you get crazy. Well, both of us got crazy at jackal and eye that night. I don't know what you were drinking, but you were like me when I drank jack like your wild, like, ah, like smash and shit and loud. We went to see your show. And it was a very, with a baseball player. It was a baseball player. A Scott Scott Gordon or something. I can't remember.

Scott, I can't remember his last name, but it was you, me Adrian Smith from Iron, from Iron Maiden, Paul Gargano and Scott, I can't remember his last name, his picture for the Baltimore Orioles. Yes. And do we went and saw your show? And then after it was went to the local pub. But right across the street from, from the Plymouth Theatre. Yeah. And got just where Hamilton is playing now. Okay. Yeah. Super loaded. Yeah. A restaurant. Restaurant rolling around on the floor.

So funny pictures exist. What if you should find that and make that the picture of his podcast? Put up their condiments, spraying condiments of the spinning beer and show this face, spit beer in my face, dude. Do it. I think there was some crying involved. I think there was a, I think you might have kissed me on the lips. It was a great, great night. But afterwards, I believe that you're a you got band. They sent me a letter to the theater next day. But said, dear Sebastian, you are

welcome here at other establishment anytime. You're such talented, nice, nice man. However, your friends are not permitted within this establishment henceforth, feathered to from this point forward. Chris Jericho, Paul Gargano will not be admitted into these premises. And from the pub across the Broadway. Yeah. Yeah. Ben's from Broadway. But that's what happened. I went, I went totally nuts. What, what were you drinking? Crown Royal at the time. There you go.

I can't do that. Yeah. Yeah. I can drink wine. And I cut way back. I haven't drank a while. I haven't. I just don't enjoy it that much. Yeah. But anything more than wine, I can't handle it. So you were you're on the whiskey at pure platinum? Yes. And I just thought it would be funny to can jump up there in the cage. They had a cage. And I pulled my pants down. I was dancing. I lit my pubic hair on fire. And I didn't remember that that was a blackout drunk. Yeah. Yeah. So that was a

blackout. And this just recently, like four years ago, five years ago, I was on the road somewhere and go, some guy comes up and goes, dude, I was there that night. I go, what are you talking about? Because that fucking night pure platinum. I go, what? Because when you lit your pubes on fire, I go, what are you talking about? And then he just cried. I go, and I, I told you remember doing that that I fell asleep in the back of a pickup truck. I gave somebody my skid row tour leather

as a present. The guy that let me sleep in his truck. Like the actual leather jacket. Yeah. Subashin box skid rowing. My pride and joy. Because he let no, the next day, we went back down there and got spouted and dude, I got my jacket back. The whole trailer. Like what? Your leather snow way, man. That's not happening. So talking about how much for a fan you are, and it's so many great. So you got the tour there. I'll spend two on the bond jovy. You're out with,

you know, hanging with metallic adudes on this stuff. Who are some of the guys that you met? They were met the most when you finally get to meet them in person. Well, you got to say, erosmith, like Steve Tyler and because any of the 70s bands are even more lauded than the 80s guys. Yeah. Like everybody worships guns and roses, rightfully so, they're the biggest band in the world. But when they came out, I was already like, you know,

you guys are more peers than there are like buddies. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like rush. I can't even handle it when I hang out with Alex live, or like he emails me sometime. I look at the screen. I can, I want to, I want to print it out and frame it. Like it's a collector's edition. Yeah. Yeah. And in that freaks, like the kids, the bands you listen to when you were a kid, that freaks you out. You know, one time, but then even guys that are older than that, like I did a TV show a long time

of what called celebrity duets with house sparks. And I, and also on the show with Smoky Robinson. Yeah. And, um, Gladys Knight. And I was just hanging with them in the back room. One, I, in the 92 Juno Awards, I got to present male vocalist of the year to Leonard Cohen. I did. Wow. And me and Leonard Cohen were buddies that day. We were, and we, we not ever once talked about music. He was from, I knew this from Quebec and my stepmother. It was Canadian. Yes. Leonard Cohen

was from Montreal. So Leonard, I was, I knew this from Montreal and my seven on was from Montreal. I spent time in Sherbrook. So I go, have you ever been to Sherbrook? Can you go any, you knew all about the streets and the rest? That's what we talked about. We'd never even talked about. Connect right away. Just about restaurants and food. Yeah. And I'll never forget that because people look

at him like such a god, you know? Right, right, right. Interesting though. On the other side of the coin in your book, you talk about the, the Ace Frailey experience, even the, even the Paul Stanley too, when he came to, uh, Jacqueline Hyde kind of like let a little bit of a letdown. Well, I think that this book is about, uh, being very innocent as a kid and wide-eyed and it would full of wonder. And then you go through life and shit happens where to everybody. And

this is just my story. But everybody has things that are disillusioning or, or that, uh, you weren't expecting. Yeah. I mean, what does the name of Scotty and radio show? Oh, I don't meet your heroes or something. Right. Well, there's something to that. Yeah. Yeah. But I would, I, you know, I don't want anything negative vibes or anything. But thing is, I did write that, that song and the thing is, yeah. And I would say that this book is a love letter

to kiss. I would, oh my gosh. I would say there's nothing but love. Like, I did write that song and it does break my heart and left my name on it. But when, when, when it came out, he didn't give you a credit for the song. Yeah. Well, you know, that's because I'm like seen in the industry. Oh, it's the front man. I'm the song right. Go fuck yourself with all that. Like I'm the song writer. You're the singer. Whoever comes up with the idea, you know, deserves the credit for the idea.

Like that really, that's always been a thing with me. But people like to put me in this box, but listen to everything I've ever put out. My shit is like one thing. Like it is. Sure. Because I am a demanding son of a bitch. But anybody good is. Sure. Anybody that's good, I demand the best. I think to just go back to the ace thing, I think it's once again, this is the realities of the business. Like, you know, ace frayley, he's going to take the publishing.

Because that's how it works. You know, and that's, I don't even know if it's a, it sucks. But I think that's kind of when you realize how the world really works. That's probably how it is. A thousand times. Right. You know what I mean? So for him, I remember we went to see him actually Vinnie and I Vinnie Paul and saw Ace at the trees lounge in Dallas. And there was like a huge line up of people for his VIP and he was just sitting there and wasn't quite ready to do it yet. And

it's like a Monday and Monday or Tuesday. He finally goes on at 10 30 at night. And it's like, you're supposed to go on at night. You can't do that. People got to work. And then you're making these poor people that have spent, I don't know, a hundred bucks to get your autographed. It's like, I'm just not ready yet. And like, I think that's just how it is for him. He's been a rock star all these years. And just I'll do it when I'm ready. You know, if you listen to the song and question,

it is so fucking sick. What's the song called? It used to be called I like my rock hard. And now it's called Foxy and Free. Okay. And that was on the it only. No, it used to be called You Make It Hard for me. You make it so hard to say. Not the best. And now you got a Foxy and Free. You're not a Foxy to me. That's so you make it hard for me. Became Foxy and Free. You got to laugh though, right? Well, what are you going to do? Because that's the good. I don't care

what it for me. I do care. It really does hurt because I don't like, okay, it all really, I say the same thing about 18 in life. When I changed the melody, you can go listen to the guy that was in the band before me on YouTube and then listen to the what I did. The difference is was from my brain. And you can't tell me that this note is worth credit, but this note is not worth credit. So it's been a recurring thing in my life that that bugs me. I just read the

Mike Love book with the peach boys. I got on my bag. I just read it. Well, it's good, but it talks just like what I'm talking about. Gotcha. Like he helped write all these tunes. So he's writing the melody lines for the kids. He's writing the words and melody lines. But then just not his name's not on it. It's like Brian Wilson. Brian Wilson. And it's like, you know, I understand that frustration. You know, he's a genius. Well, he's the singer. Right. He's great. Yeah.

But the melody line counts as part of the songwriting though. The melody line, but sure it does. But the thing is when you're recording it, I don't know anybody would buy it. Right. I was in the band's like Wrath Child stack attack. Who later became rags. Oh, I love kick-axe. But this was my brand. I didn't know. I thought if I got in a band, we put out a record. Maybe we could be like kick-axe. Yeah. I didn't know we would sell millions of rags. And at the time you think because

kick-axe has an album. Well, they were huge to me. Yeah. Well, yeah, but I wasn't even able to get the albums. I wouldn't even care about me and Rich, but yes, yes, they're huge. Yes. I know. I know. I know. You know, they're got another album. I know. But but but being a Canadian big band is different than being an American. Yeah.

Even big fans. Way different. Not even using the right word, you know. Well, cyclist Alex Lysson said in the special that the record companies over there are more like outposts. I laughed. That's what it's like. Like here's the there's the capital records outposts. That's what it is. That guy's so funny. He's funny. He's hilarious. Another great thing in the book is you're talking about your time. This is

really obscure, but as a metalhead, Madame X when you're in that. Yeah. You have to tell the story. It's great stuff though. Like because at the time you're thinking like once again, it's a big band. They got an album. Yeah. Yeah. And that dude. But I love that's really where I found out how hard it is to be a vocalist. To not lose your vote. They took charge money to have people come here. He's saying,

you better know what is saying. Right. Like back then there was no any years. There was no any. Just like go for it, dude. You got to find the sweet spot on stage where you might be able to hear yourself. And back then it was ridiculous. And I was a kid. I was 15 in that band. In Madame X you were 15 16 at the most. And you're traveling the state. Yeah. I toured the states. I toured the states. Who you're touring with just Madame X. Yeah. Yeah. Madame X. Yeah. In clubs. Yeah.

Yeah. Just bars. You're high in high school. Yeah. I sang that every night. She's hot tonight. She's hot tonight. Good look. And there's a she likes her meat well done. She likes her meat well done. There's a huge scream in that song. Oh no. There's wicked screams in there. Frank Kaiser was a great singer. But I but I my throat wasn't ready to do that. And that chapter ends

with Chris Dolver spitting in my face on stage because I couldn't sing. I was I could sing for a little bit but like two hours a night and with Madame X it was easier when I was in Kid Wicked because it was all cover versions. Right. So you know I knew spoken in the boys room. But you know doing all originals Madame X we didn't do any covers. Okay. So I was doing all Brett Kaiser stuff

and trying to find my own sound. I love the I don't think you think the stories in the book were you told me before where they called you one day and said like okay dude we got the big tour. Yeah. Madame X you're like this you're like we got we got the big tour you're like what is it Molly crew rat no fog hat. Is that true I think you told me that. I think so yeah aren't they people gonna come? Fog hat. What's guys are still doing more than what Skid Row is.

So when you're when you're putting together all the ideas for the book was it was it did they all come to mind at once or like I made it I made like a list and I would put 10 story ideas down and then screw off for a while come back at some more. The beginning was very easy because I had all these archives and these pictures that I knew I wanted to incorporate so I had a good

idea about that. Then when I was done with that part I found myself saying okay what do I really want to write about and I thought well how about start by telling stories that you tell like a dinner to people that makes them go what the fuck just start with that yeah and I have lost the

stories I got so by the time I was done with a lot of those 450 pages just from those just just from yeah and then I tied them all chronologically to where I made sense a little bit of a storyline yes did you have problems editing anything I know for me it was hard to know I had problems with

who was editing it oh got you yeah I don't want to put anybody under the bus basically yeah I didn't know like I was very I'm a control freak like one of the people would say why why was the book pushed back one of the major things that was pushed back from was italics really I like I like I like to

use different punctuation and stuff and like when Stephen King I love Stephen King's writing what he tells in the shining of like a dream or something it's like all in italics right and if I don't know what to show that it's different yes so I have tons of that in the book some

fucking editor just took them all out I go if you think that you're taking my italics out I did was a major thing nobody takes my italics nobody it's like I'm gonna fly to New York and show you about italics do not with why any italics man but it was like that yeah and I was a

fanage storm around the house I go you can never man it a Stephen King book send but when you're looking back on all this tales and I mean you you made it very young yeah I did a baby I mean I was born in 68 so our album came out January 689 so you're 19 19 19

I mean no one did so be crazy things I don't even know what was right from wrong when you're 19 you're talking you open the book with the bottle and so the famous story but you're 19 you're supposed to do that right I thought that was rock and roll looking back now you kind of

like holy shit that I not know what I was doing I know because you're an entertainer you're an you're entertaining people it's not back then you remember I'm a little bit older than you but I think it was Mott and crew who brought this in when I was a teenager if you somebody said your

pants sucks it was your duty to fight that person that's yeah if you did it if you're didn't your band did suck right yeah it's like excuse me what did you just say right and it was a real fight like did you did you look out again again people that was a long time ago and that that's the way it was

though but like for example when you're talking what you're talking about the the bottle and don't you say hi he's back he's back traces back when you're talking about the bottle incident when we're winding down you're getting near the end but it seemed like it was that

little bit cathartic because I remember you weren't really writing about it yeah because you could never talk about oh I couldn't even say sorry to the person that I heard right they said and they said because that would change the trial hmm so for years I felt like shit because you basically

jumped in the pit you broke a guy's jaw or broke a girl's jaw both a girl and a guy fans at the show nice there's a fun night out yeah but you know what's funny man well nothing nothing's funny about that right that that that it yeah for years I couldn't say sorry so I I knew right away the

first thing I wanted to write I go what do you want to write I go that's what I want to write and I captured that Harper Collins didn't wanted me to have a ghost writer they wanted me to have a co-writer of this book that that was part of the initial deal I said I'm not interested in that

I don't want to do that and I go okay smarty pants hang on dude hang on hang on so they go okay write something you know you know you're auditioning to write yeah I had to do that and that's what I wrote I wrote that intro of the bottle hmm because I knew I could write that yeah I knew I

could it's a great way started with that and they they go okay we love what you wrote you go go ahead write your book as a result I found with some of my books it is cathartic to write about a certain experience then I could put it in the book it's lasting forever and I don't have to think

about it as much anymore it's gone it's amazing you said that I got to say this to everybody every time you know a lot of people when I'm out in public or whatever they want to come and tell me all these stories about the 80s because they look at me and they remember all this shit and sometimes

I get so many because I'm not thinking about 30 years ago all the time I'm not walking around in 2017 thinking about 89 but people like in an airport or just they're recognizable and they all have a real heartfelt story that I want to hear sometimes but if you talk about cathartic

writing 450 pages about mainly the 80s and the effect it had going forward and that time that people love to talk about that was cathartic like here you go you want to hear what I think about what happened in the 80s here is 450 pages of that yeah have at it right I don't have to

fucking talk here you go read it here yeah knock yourself out so 80s you know what else to I think as as as we grow older you realize like you said people do have these stories and I want to hear them more whereas before I didn't want to as well that's right well because because guess what

we're not going to remember all this to get this on paper that time of history before the internet mm-hmm all of these stories come strictly for before the internet yeah yeah yeah exactly and there's not a lot of books about that period there's not like motley crew the dirt duff McAagan's book yeah

both his books are great there's like there's a few but not a lot there's a lot of books about the 70s but there's gonna be more about the 80s there's gonna be because it's it's entertaining time it's fun to read those stories it is fun and I think so like for you like as a musician

starting bands and you're 12 13 14 here we are now 2017 you have a couple songs two or three songs that people will always remember and it's associated with you that's pretty cool man well yeah I mean I'd say more than two because 18 in the life I remember you youth gone wild monkey

business people love your shit they remember what in other parts of the world wasted time mm-hmm quicksand Jesus like when we go to South America and I do waste the time in Brazil it's insane they they I don't know what it is about that too but a lot of people love that one

I don't I remember seeing rush uh in Brazil like some rock and they played a closer to the heart and they said they could not get out of Brazil without playing closer you think closer to the heart like it's okay to them but they're in Brazil it's the song well my my on my album angel down

the ballad by your side was a radio hit in Brazil was the only country thank you Brazil but it was like they sent me the charts and sure sure sure sure big hit I found that interesting too in the book when you talked about how your expectations for angel down you had so many

expectations I thought it was gonna be like just like those albums when it was not once again well you know I I don't want well that was my first record I ever put out after the internet I don't count bring them back alive because that was like 90 seven but also the internet wasn't so all in

composing yeah but um you know the record company that put out angels down was Caroline records Merrill Vingyan records I can't even say that word I can now because I had to learn but you can't compete with like Atlantic records and plus the time to change you know 2007 eight but it was

interesting to read about that like I said oh I went I went crazy when that I thought it was gonna be a number one album it was me an axle yeah I mean how could it not you hadn't done anything on record I a hundred percent that would be but you know what I was times gone by people love that

album um American metalhead is one of one of the only songs that I can put next to youth gone wild in the set you know it's like we always tried to do new songs but very few remain in the set as the years go by yeah because you got to entertain the crowd yeah and you have to play what

they know but American metalhead that destroys the crowd how do you decide your set when you do your show just by crowd reaction but also vocally I have I have changed the way I do headline shows I open up for myself I can't do sound checks anymore oh okay I can't book 40 shows five nights

a week you know you know I can't I cannot show up at four in the afternoon and sing four or five songs for the sound man and go back to my hotel and then come back that is too much that's too much I can do that sometimes but as far as my singing voice it's better for me to warm up to

sing and do my show so how do you do it I just warm I will I come out and I start with ballots now might like a sound check okay my my set was I come out start with little wing Jimmy Hendrix that people love that I'll do uh breaking down yeah of subhuman race then battle

with the bottle which is a obscure tin that from gone country yeah then 18 life interesting and it's all either do quicksand jesus or rock and roll is a vicious game because we were in Canada for one then I'll do I remember you then I'll walk off the stage change my

in outfit come back and do big guns or slave to the grandad all metal and the crowd loves it that's interesting the reason I do that is because everything is filmed everybody films every show it goes up on that's right the lab are about the next day so vocally that works for me way better

to do a song like I remember you before I do monkey business yeah yeah and heaven do I remember you after monkey business I'm like this it's not the same yeah different energy well like you said too if you you know if everybody's are filming everything and heaven forbid if you have a bad

show yeah you know that's gonna be there forever what people don't get about that whole thing is that we we didn't always sound perfect in 1989 right nothing was filled at all then we we would film our shows skin row right yeah then we'd watch them and it's the same as it is now it's like some

some was good some wasn't yeah but that's live rock and roll he didn't just film it put it out yeah you're you're allowed to watch yeah you're allowed to produce it that's part of the art of it yeah you know like I remember this big controversy in the late 90s kiss did overdubs

on kiss alive I'm like I'm like what you people are stupid like that's part of showbiz and then you're allowed to do that you talked to Paul and most of the record was overdebiting all these live but he's got a great point he's like I'm in eight inch heels jump of a down this pyro going off

I'm you know you don't make records perfect you do not make studio records running yeah yeah yeah you're standing there and frozen and drinking water and the lights are right and you try it 10 times and you pick the best one at a 10 that's part of it though that's like painting a picture

you're allowed to paint a piece of shit picture throw it out and then try again like that's you know exactly only in theater do you only have one shot only or radio live radio yeah live theater control yeah exactly the last question is there a story that that that you enjoyed writing the

most in your book oh I got to say that the kiss concert the same thing that you liked yeah for some you know I have to give credit where credits do when I saw the kiss rock and roll hall of fame induction ceremony with Tom Morello the speech he gave amazing electrified me just made me

feel what it was like to be a little kid kiss fan again and I go Sebastian you've got to write that in your book that feeling of that and I did I did yeah but I had actually started writing that before that speech but when I saw the speech I knew he raised the fucking bar

with his words that he chose to induct kiss he's like can you imagine coming from space and you see this guy breathing fired fucking it and it made me so excited yeah so I go oh in my book I have got to capture that excitement you have got to you did it's a great thank you did it's a great

book man thank you so much and I love your books too Chris and you got three out three four that is so impressive and you're gonna do another one yeah I should right on high five man why don't we gonna play some games I'm waiting to do it man that's a no it's it's it's it's our record will be

out in May I just toured with Buck cherry I'll do it it was great great we did 20 we did 20 cities that be a good three yeah why not that probably we could sell some tickets let's go come on booking agents come on let's do it we're better than Mariah Carey tell me about it Sebastian's book is

called 18 in life in Skid Rowan it's got so many more crazy rock and roll stories you can tell Sebastian definitely has no problem he pulls no punches he tells it like it is he is deep down aside a great guy and super super funny it's a long book but it's good really easy to read and

since Bazz wrote it himself you can hear it here's voice in your head telling these stories as you're reading it's very similar to lion's tail or best in the world or undisputed or on my new book know as a four letter word which comes out in August when you write it yourself it's your

voice and Bazz definitely do that he put in the time he put in the effort it's you owe it to yourself if you love rock and roll to check it out it's a great great story thanks again to Bazz at a great time hanging at his house in LA with trace talking and listening to tunes and well

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