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Joke of the week Chris Jericho. Definitely Kagan here. Listen, somebody asked the other day to name two structures that hold water. And I was like, well, damn. Thank you very much. But there you go. It's all the delivery. That's Stacy's new favorite joke. I got to tell you, Duff brings the jokes and the last for us and the delivery every Friday.
Thank you, Duff. He's actually featured in the conversation today with Red Hot Chili Peppers, Hall of Fame, Hollywood star, Walk of Fame recipient Chad Smith is here returning to talk is Jericho with some crazy stories about a recording a record with the crazy Ozzy Osborne with Duff mcagan.
The return of guitar player John for Shanty to the peppers how that all went down and how it's going for the foursome recently reunited and reunite with producer Rick Rubin who's on talk is Jericho last year and gave us little scoop on how the peppers recording was going at the time. Chad will fall up on that. Of course he's talking all about their new album unlimited love is out today. You can get it wherever you stream or buy music. It's also available at red hot chili peppers.com.
Chad is a great guest as you're about to hear if you remember him from last time. It's a very interesting and funny conversation. Chad gets very hyper. We get into his first audition with the band. What happened when they told them they need him is jave his head to join. He talks about learning from p-funk percussionist Larry Fratt and Jello and Chad grew up in the suburbs of Detroit where I'm recording this intro right now.
Not far from cream magazine offices got a great story about being a 12 year old kid and discovering that he could ride his bike to the cream offices and who he met at the door. So the red hot chili peppers drummer Chad Smith returns. It's a great interview coming up. But speaking of the Detroit area saved the world tour kicked off tonight diesel and chest of field Michigan. It was crazy.
Jam packed great time thanks to everyone who came out to rock with Fuzzy in the first show of the save the world tour we're going all across the states and if you're in New York City don't forget we're playing a special gold album presentation party April 11th at Grammar City Theatre in New York City. We're doing a Fuzzy show and we'll be presented with our gold records for Judas and be among the first to hear Fuzzy's new record boom box when it's released May 6th.
So much stuff going on we're going all across the United States Los Angeles included whiskey go go go to Fuzzy Rock dot com for all the ticket information all the tour dates and all the VIP meet and green information got so much stuff going on there we play many set for you five songs some you won't hear later that night when we play for everybody else so much stuff going on Fuzzy Rock dot com as well and like I said.
Fort Wayne Indiana on April 1st April 2nd at the Piazza Narara April 3rd at the epic event center in Green Bay Ashwaban on Wisconsin and April 4th at the 1175 Kansasville Wisconsin that's the first week of the tour we're going everywhere we want you to come join us Fuzzy Rock dot com.
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Right now. I'm a man. Yes. I can't believe it. It's good to see you man. How long has it been. I think the last time we saw each other is probably backstage on the last pepper's tour probably 2017 or so. And I was hanging out in your in this is my favorite story hanging out in Chad Smith's dressing room just played a sold out arena and Chad has his own dresser room. It's a stock full of really exciting thing. Yeah. Thing of water cigarettes. I have.
Maybe that's literally that's it. There was two waters. I think it was a pack of American Eagle cigarettes and that was it. Yeah. Hi maintenance me. You don't ask for anything else in your dresser room at all. I just need a place to go to get away from people you know except the ones I want to hang out with. Right. I don't need any you know. You know we have our little communal room where we're we're all hanging out but everybody needs a little time to get away so speak so yeah not only.
Does it get the blow your mind kind of that you guys are playing arenas and now about to do a stadium tour where you get your own dress you're considering where you were when you started.
Yeah. Of course. I didn't think when I joined a chili pepperous Chris in 1988 the end of 88 you know most bands last like maybe five years and so I thought we'd play some clubs and who knows because the band was and was kind of you know we were an underground kind of college band and do it our own weird thing and you know 1991 came around everything changed or music changed and.
All of a sudden we're playing arenas and under the bridge and give it away and all the people going nuts and we're like what the fuck so no I never I never I mean hey when I was a kid looking at you know let's up on posters on my wall that would have been the ultimate and I never thought in a million years.
I'd be still doing it to this level for this long so you know God God bless it's amazing because the peppers have become almost like multi generation like I saw the stones a couple months ago and you go to that gig and there is obviously guys in their 70s and then there's kids in the you know seven year old kids and teenagers and everything in between and when I went to the peppers I noticed the same thing it's become kids older people people your age my age and everything.
Yeah nothing better than looking down in the crowd in the first couple of rows and there's a mom and dad and then the 20 year old and then the 15 year old and they're all singing along it's amazing man it's I don't if I had that for me if I knew what it was.
We just we're just doing our thing Chris and we're so fortunate and I think people connect to the authenticity and the realness of it and the humanity of it where we do it because we love it we play from the heart and that connects with people so it's crazy.
You mentioned playing arenas and we we've talked about it in the text but I haven't had a chance you're doing your first stadium tour this summer and first of all as soon as I saw that I was like yes of course the pepper should be playing stadiums because once again the stones are going to be going for a few more rounds and you know there's there's you two and there's
battalocons certain points but there's not a lot of rock bands playing stadiums so whenever a band like the peppers takes that jump it's great for the whole scene obviously great for the band how did that come about are you a little bit nervous when you first heard the plan. Yeah you know we've done stadiums in Europe and South American stuff but never in the states never in North America we've always done arena we've done some big festivals but not our own you know our own big shows so.
John to shantate back in our group again so it was partly just feeling like there's a new renewed excitement around that and of course making a new record then you know the whole pandemic and lots of bands had played in years and we just felt like let's get our balls out there and go for it but you're always like.
You know but we've got some good groups and artists playing with us as well you know we've got back in and the strokes thunder cat and some other really really good artists that are playing with us so it'll be a good a good night of rock and roll so it's it's you kind of have to think in a big I think big go big right fuck it. So you type of guy that looks at numbers like the first day sales first week sales you kind of like I tried not to.
But you know at the same time you kind of want to do know if it's if it's going well we hadn't put out a record I don't know if you saw we did do like a little announcement thing where we were hilarious the the newscast right we were the newscast is and I was the very sensitive kind weatherman.
Randy rake drops or something like that yeah that went really well and people really really you know that I think that was helpful it's doing well you know I'm not not not going to get what you sold out to so fine a bunch of different places and yeah we're just right now we're just
here enough for that the record comes out April 1st and and then you know we've been rehearsing and getting ready to play will be in Spain in the beginning of June and then over here in July the peppers have always had a great sense of humor I love that preview video that you did as the newscasters did
John for Shanti did you tell him what's going on is he just show up and you just act around him because he was just kind of sitting there with no idea when the tour was and it fits his personality complete.
No that was it he's like I don't do comedy he's like I'm just going to be the straight man we're like great we just be you and we'll just be us and worked out perfect yeah it was great we had a good time with that and now he's he's you know dedicated and and into it playing great and Chris he just wanted to play guitar in a rock band again and he's like in the chili peppers is the only band I want to be in my question you know to him was which is like more you know there's a lot
other stuff that goes along which is writing songs and recording all the touring and all the things you know about being in a band sure and you know I just want to make sure he was down for that and he he has he's ready he's ready to go
and so it's pretty exciting I think we have some unfinished business with playing with him and creating music with him and we did a lot of songs like we always do and you know we had the you know unfortunately what was happening in the world but we could just hunker down and and write for months like eight or nine months which is right in the room and we went with Rick and you know got the old band back together and that was it and made a bunch of songs and they're coming out.
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Let's take a step back was hard because I know we had a base player in Fawzi that left the band and then we brought him back for a second time and then he left again and the thought of bringing him back a third time seems completely unfathomable obviously not
as legendary as the chemistry between the four of you with John for shanti is that something that you and flea and an Anthony discuss like okay if we bring this guy back for a third time are we gonna get fucked again or you know what I mean like is it hard
to kind of get that trust back or do you know him so well that you knew he was in for the long haul we do know that I mean I was surprised when when you know Anthony came to me and he was like you know what do you think about getting John back in the band I was
like an imp in 10 years yeah so I I kind of thought that that ship had sailed so to speak and so I was surprised but at the same time like you said we do have this special chemistry the four of us you know as you get a bit old you you kind of realize that you don't take
that kind of stuff for granted and had love Josh Josh playing offers an amazing musician and he's my friend and I love him and you know we made some great music with Josh but there is a special thing that the four of us with John have and I think we we wanted to I mean
look he's amazing bit of a wild card but you know you but I think that after talking to him and and he was more self-aware and he was just really we're talking about everything why he left and what's different and if they're not and they other things and he seemed
to I mean a really good place and he wanted to make music and we we were kind of feeling a little stagnant creatively so it just all worked out but it'll be great for people that that have never seen the us with John you know and and then people that have older
people to have him come back in our group and it's pretty exciting for us and and I mean he's a special guy it's just it's one of the greatest musicians and certainly one of the guys that I best guides that I've ever been lucky to create with he's you know my opinion
is is a musical genius and you know it's the fine line you're laughing yes you are the fine line between insanity and genius there's a lot of quirkiness that comes with certain guys sure and you have to just accept it and go along with it and and it's just part of
the of the overall package right yeah he's one of those guys you know it's it's amazing I mean he's just so knows so much about music and a lot of things but but he's so focused he's a very focused individual everyone whatever he's doing at that point in his life
and for the good and for and maybe for the bad but certainly right now he's in he's man he's just all in it's it's exciting so you have to you have to bring you know that lifts up everybody else you know what I mean right right which is which is also great and at this
point in our career it's it's fun to have that that renewed energy and it's just fun making music and and that's the way it should be you know it should be just fun absolutely and the peppers to are essentially you know obviously Anthony's the frontman but it's a very tight net
trio of the three of you guys when you start jamming with flea and with and with John Farshanti again I don't know do you have to change your playing then when you're playing with Josh with flea is a rhythm section is it more energy you mentioned the more energy is it more
frenetic is it a different stylistic way like how do you adjust between two different guitar players or Dave Navarro or all these different guys that you've had whenever you bring somebody new in you know obviously flea and I've been playing together for 30 whatever years so we we have a
thing that was kind of this unspoken musical telepathy which only comes from playing with people for a long time but you know I'd say with with John I mean you always adjust you know you gotta be a good listener and you always adjust it to different musical situations different players
play differently but there is a familiarity I was talking to John the other day and he was like you know Chad you're really the only drummer I mean he's played with other people but he's like in a band it goes my playing is you're you're drumming and obviously flea's bass playing but he's
spoke speaking to me it's like you're drumming that's what I play off of I'm so used to that you know what I mean that's it's right that's part of the feel and part of the what works and why it works and so it's you know it took a little bit you know you kind of read dance partner and the shoe
has a shoe you get right back in the old leather shoe and it was fun you know but he when we first came back he's like I haven't really been playing guitar very much he was doing a lot of electronic music and other stuff it took a little bit but I mean he's not long he's just like he's amazing
and so but as a band it sounds like it's chilly go yeah I don't know what else to say it's that's this kind of it and so it's different we were playing different music we're writing different songs with different people all that stuff but for some reason like you say there's the three
instruments the voice is an instrument of course but the three you know two melodics in a rhythm one he make a unique racket you know and it's pretty it's pretty fucking cool and of course the other missing piece of the you know the classic peppers stew is is Rick Rubin you mentioned he was on
talk his Jericho a few months ago and mention that that he was doing the peppers again I know I heard you were like what yeah I couldn't believe it it was a scoop I got a scoop I know because he wasn't supposed to talk about anything I got trouble for like doing something like you're not supposed
to say anything about the well oh what about you know oh sorry shit yeah and I heard Rick was you were talking to him and he said which I found interesting I just did his podcast not too long going he brought to self and he said when he came and listened to us rehearse for the first
time we played in our songs we hadn't played for anybody else and Rick came down and he was so emotional he was like just to see us together playing and he wasn't like critiquing the songs or what about this chorus or that he was just like walking around the room just like with this big
grin on his face and he said when he left he was crying yeah it was amazing I was like wow yeah he was really moved you know so I mean Rick is obviously everybody knows this history and what a amazing producer he is and and he's been with us from the beginning or from the beginning I
should say from blood sugar on that's 30 whatever years and we've made all of our records up for one with him so we it felt natural to to go back and you know have Rick on board and he's just a smart musical guy he's just a music fan just knows what he likes and he's very direct about it but
in a kind way and he just knows he knows us and we know him so that that that helps and we trust each other we don't always agree but most of his ideas are pretty good you know he's been doing it a while he kind of knows what he's doing and he knows he knows how to find the essence of that
piece of music that you're playing and bring the the the really interesting or unique thing of that song or that music and make that shine and often sometimes we won't see that through the the force through the trees kind of thing I wait you hear this and we just think it's the greatest
thing I'll be like that's good you you know you did that on California case you might it's really good and then we'll play him some jam from Tuesday to be like that make that a song that's awesome we're like what you know so sometimes you need that that objective thing because we're so
caught up in and you know the music and coming up with the ideas and parts and stuff sometimes you need that person it has no emotional connection to it and and yeah and he's really good like that and he and he was into it but he was he was just like everybody was elevating
their their game and and it was really fun came real quick which is all also good when we recording process that's good for us just tweaking but getting good performances we're all play live we're we're on the floor no clicks we just we just play like a band yeah that's it we
just get try get good performances and Rick is really good with that as well knowing when it's still getting better and then when it goes this way he's like okay let's take a break or let's do a different song and he's really good like that seems like when you're writing from from talking
to him he's kind of more of an observer yeah like you mentioned you kind of just hear his and listens and picks out little pieces rather than being the the knob twiddler as we discussed yeah no he's not a musician he doesn't play I mean yeah play guitar and a band a long time going to New York I forget the name of the band but that didn't last too long I enjoy seeing him in those old beastie boy videos right he's got short bearded so like a little college kid yeah not the rig that you
know now it's so funny youth but he yeah he's such a music fan he just sits back and and sometimes that throws people off you know because a lot of producers are in there and you know hey and they've got their I can cheerleading or this part of that they really put their stamp on it and
Rick just kind of the he just wants to capture you he doesn't want to flavor it or influence it too much and it's certainly in a sound or the sound of what's playing with Rick Rubin producing is the sound of four guys in a room yeah there's some overdubs and background vocals and stuff with
the core of it and he's like because you guys are one of the only bands that can still fucking all play and play well good pro tools you know you chop everything up and then it sounds like that's great for a different kind of music but rock and roll the way we do it just get out there and
it's a performance it's supposed to move around and build in the dynamics and and he goes you guys know how to do that do it nobody does that anymore blah blah so that's another thing and he knows how to get out of the way and he knows what to jump in and say oh this is and off with me
he'll push the butt hey did you always do that Phil I'm like what about just boom what would what would Phil Rudd do he just you go that's the library save that for the live version fuck I'm trying to get my little chops in but he's like whatever serves the song what's best for
this song and you know and he's right and so my job is to just make it feel good play with dynamics if I get lucky I could come up with a beat or a hook a drum thing that that helps the song and and I'm not too concerned these days with like the ultimate snare sound or this or that or
it's more just what serves the song and sonically and part-wise and musically and so I'm just trying in there and make it feel good because you know every you know people talk about ringo star or technically he's not this he's not that what you bullshit anyway but like right every Beatles song
feels great yes that's what you as a drummer in a rock band that's what you want you want that you want it to feel great so whether it's live or in a studio but especially in a studio that's the most important thing so like that's that's at the top you know the other shit's fine but
make it groove it's amazing man as we get older it always comes back to Phil Rudd always comes back to ringo the masters of playing for the song right simple but swinging their balls up yeah and that's it there's music that should be you know real straight mechanical but with the what
we do a nose band I mean Phil it's perfect example it's like so straight but in between those notes there's that undeniable swing that he has yes that with other drummers in AC DC they're great drummers not the same note he has a special thing and the perfect example is John Bono you know
although technically I'm amazing but when he's just grooving straight like a cashmere something this swing underneath it the way the placement of the notes is everything and that's and ringo the king of that shit it's amazing and so yeah as you get older you you kind of understand
and maybe that's just thing that comes with time and experience and that's what makes a good song for at least for a drummer that's the thing just make it feel good do you remember when you were a kid I mean obviously you mentioned Bono
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Silver Dome wow just a shithole I think it's torn down it was in December it was one of the it was and I had nose bleed fucking see this is a 76000 seek plate I think that's where Hulk Hogan WrestleMania three took it from under the giant he didn't know I knew the giant
was gonna give it up didn't that's supposed to be but yeah that place it's fucking you know Enormo dumb and I was so high and I was so far back and Zeppelin was late and it sounded like shit I was just there but I just want you know obviously Led Zeppelin was was you know my my favorite
band certainly at that time and but I did have a kiss moment with with seeing kiss as my second concert at Cobal Hall again a smaller venue in Detroit where they recorded one of the kiss alive records and on the back of the album the first kiss alive album there's a picture of those
two dudes holding yeah post you look at very bullet Midwest like such a snapshot of 75 I was at that that was my second concert ever Chris at that gig yes I loved yes I bought into the fire in the blood and the whole thing I loved all that stuff I was at the 12th row and those dudes were
like five or six rows behind me so before the show I'm watching Finn Castell the time for walk down take a picture of the guys and you know sold out Cobal Hall and I'm at that concert and I'm 13 years old and mine belonging changed my life couldn't fucking believe it that I mean I loved
kids so much and I'm like oh my god they're right there I'm breathing the same air you know it was it was really Peter Chris say what you want about him what you want about kisses music but Peter Chris had a swing that was like I knew I wanted to do it before them but I was like I want to do I like that I want you to do that right there I want my riser to get one fucking two and feed the fucking come on yes who doesn't want that who doesn't want that I still think the drum solo and kiss alive
is the best recorded drum solo as far as live albums go it was it's still it's very musical yeah it holds up it holds up I did speak to any cram in one time and you know the infamous producers up when Jimmy Hendrix and he he mixed that up but there's a lot of stuff on there
it's not so live sure Paul even says that there's a lot of studio recording etc yeah yeah yeah so it's like he really burst my bubble when he took down like he's what and he goes oh you know it wasn't all I bet I couldn't fucking even you know jumping around you know even their instruments were bad
I was like oh you got a point there okay I don't look behind them the curtain the great os very fixing everything up but still fucking going unbelievable how many farewell tours can you do yeah exactly I think this one is the one though yeah the farewell farewells well why why why not
because somebody said that in talking with Paul and Jean as well I think it's hard to wear all that equipment all the clothes in the plot because they still got the platform heels I can believe you know 73 years old wearing that extra gear I think that's that's the issue I think it's not
like you know peppers you just wear a sock on your cock and you're fine for the gig yeah run around that doesn't weigh much yeah I mean Paul still he's a good shape he runs around and she yeah Jean maybe not so much he just stands there and fixes target he's the demon he shouldn't be running
around he's the demon he's not running around yeah all right well we'll save well but speaking of legendary guys is speaking of of you know drummers that have I mean you've now become you know one of the premier in my opinion the best rock drummer in the world today oh you're so smart and
handsome and powerful and the genius of rock and roll yes and you told me the last time you're on the show or in private wherever that that you were kind of Rick Rubens bullpen drummer and when he did the Sabbath record you didn't get the call he gave Brad Wilk the call I know fuck
but the consolation prize yeah door number three yeah is playing on on Ozzy's last record ordinary man with the amazing rhythm section of Chad Smith and Duff McCague and on bass yeah not bad I we've never even talked about this via other than some text how the fuck did that happen and how
did you record it and kind of tell us that story because that's amazing it's a great record too oh thank you yeah I mean Andrew Wat is a producer and a songwriter and an amazing musician and he is friend of mine young guy I think he's 31 now but he's he got into the pop world he's
like a rock guy who started out that way I think he was in Justin Bieber's band or somebody in wrote songs with Bieber and and kind of got into the pop world and started writing songs and playing and producing these guys and have huge hits for guys like Dodd and he was also he was also
in a band with Glenn Hughes and and Bonham the California breed he was that's where we met at the whiskey a go go and I knew Jason and Glenn were Lizzy Borden played and where you played I saw you there that's right this is there that's hey there you go it all ties into the whiskey here
young all about the whiskey so yeah so he's he's a rock guy and but you know he just kind of fell into this pop world and so that's a small world and he started producing these other artists and so fast forward he was working with Post Malone I'm Post's record and they were at like you know
the rainbow or something and Andrew's like Posty you're like the modern day Ozzy you just like you know bear drinking is that you know you're lovable and he's like I fucking love Ozzy Osborne you know Post is also a rock man you say boom let's get Ozzy on one of your songs and I'll
write a song and I'll get Chad to play on it and that's what happened some post record Hollywood bleeding or something like that it's called and Ozzy comes down to an Andrea studio of Beverly Hills and basement Ozzy comes and he didn't even know Post Malone
the fucking Postman but is by Kelly know obviously an Andrea's friends with her but he had fallen this now this is over this is like three years now he had fallen and heard his neck really back and had surgery and was not bouncing back like the Ozzy you know the bulletproof Ozzy and so
he does the the feature on the I'm the post song and then he leaves and had a great time and he's telling fucking stories he's just Ozzy's peeing in the bushes it's like fucking like does not disappoint we're we're all just like I'm glossy I mean it was amazing I had met him
but a long time ago so he leaves and and Kelly's like really emotional and like she's like I haven't seen my dad that happy in six months he's been moping around the house this and that you know the thing and we're like of course because he's around like the dudes and he's singing and
doing music and telling and farting and telling fucking just these like this is what he that he loves that we all do he needs she's like oh my god it would be so amazing he needs to make music again like Bob watch like let's do an Ozzy album I'm like great he was in and we can't duff you know
his our friend and we called Duff and you want to come down and we'll just make some songs and literally Chris because he has a studio where the gear is like all set up all the mics ready to go at any time he came over Duff came over for four days for afternoons they're like from one to six
and it was literally who's got a rip wow and what would have one Duff would have one and I would sit there and I would listen and we'd make the arrangement I you know check stuff and go record it like right away and we did nine songs in those four days nine basic track written wow recorded
boom and it'll be like well we love it when you know like in fucking war pigs where there's a stop and then it's just Ozzy let's do like we just wanted to do all of our favorite sabote Ozzy right and and we would reference that shit and so there's straight to Helen and under the
graveyard got this and ta ta ta done Ozzy likes to sing about aliens and he loves the Beatles about it and so we just kind of did that it happened really quick I mean again like as a kid Ozzy Osborne has one of the most unique voices instruments in rock and roll like right you
open to smile you know it's Ozzy Osborne it doesn't matter what you singing the fucking phone but it doesn't matter and he still has that and it's amazing and so we're just wanted to honor that and shit we thought this is probably the last album Ozzy you know so we're gonna make who knows
yeah so that comes out does great contour pandemic and all that shit so we made another one so there's another one that you did and it's getting mastered tomorrow wow that's another skill another skill for oh shit I'm in trouble again so we didn't know we got Robert Trio playing
on some songs who Ben and Ozzy's band duff's on a couple again and you mean Andrew or do it but check this out so we've got the English royalty of guitar players so Tony I only and Ozzy have never collaborated outside of black Sabbath Tony sent us a bunch of riffs and we grabbed we
took what we thought was the best one which is fucking great so I didn't get the Brad Brad got the gig but this is closest to black Sabbath ever getting so Andrew's on the bass doing like the fucking great the bass on the song is amazing and Tony sent us the riffs you know files he's in
England and we played to it's fucking got everything it's got all you know all the stuff that you would want Ozzy loves it and so he's on that track she's then then Eric Clapton plays a fucking wow wow cream type solo we're like like Eric can you solo on the song wow wow please Eric
what do you think about this with the wow wow everything because yeah that's his fucking thing you know he's and and so he's soloing all over this other track then Jeff Beck is on to so wow now we're trying to get Jimmy Page we try to get the Holy Trinity out of the page plays anymore
too much unfortunately right but Mike McCreedy's on a track Josh homey my neighbor from Queens solo on a track and then Zach Wilde is on the record as well all over so it's like if you're a guitar player free fucking good where'd you get those shoots easy they're from DSW because DSW has the exact
right shoes for whatever you're into right now you know like the sneakers that make office hours feel like happy hour the boots the turn grocery aisles into runways and all the styles that show off the many sides of you from daydreamer to multitasker and everything in between because you do
it all in really great shoes find a shoe for every you at your DSW store or DSW dot com when you mentioned that that you were playing live were you playing in the studio with Duff together as a rhythm section yeah yeah so how does that play with him because obviously you
you've had some great bass players with flea and Mike Lantin and now Duff Vique and I mean this is right now this is another amazing musician for you to jam with incredible Duff is Duff is so musical and he played guitar like he would come up and he would ban acoustic guitar and have these riffs and
he said great musician and he's got such a sound that did it like his growly fucking like night you know like he does that shit and he does it good and it's him which is so great yeah he's a great musician he's got great time and musical and and both those guys are always
like I'm used to again try to just play what's right for the song not too much a little feel going into the chorus maybe in the outro do a little bit they're like your chat fucking smid go for it fucking go for it like player like come on all right no one does that anymore they're like
Latin and just like you chat you're like the Matador it's like the bowl yeah the ball and the ball and then the matter is alike and he's like I don't fucking sit down to drums wait wait wait because I know in the first and second take that's the shit that we're gonna want you're gonna start
thinking about it often not good to be especially for me so I think it too much and he's like I just know the arrangement and then fucking go for it so there's a lot of I hope appropriate overplaying on the ring we'll see did you mention that you said you couldn't tour on it because the pandemic
was there ever a thought of doing some shows you know there wasn't there was talk about it jeez obviously I know oh man I would have been fucking amazing at least a couple like an LL on a new York or something I don't know about a tour but I hope that all of these get very
dry though he wants to be up there yeah of course doing his fucking thing I get it 100% you know I hope someday to play any of those songs just to see you plays the crazy train and over the mountain and some of those classic tunes man how fucking great yeah he's the best man it's great because
during pandemic lockdown you know I'm watching a lot of different documentaries and watching a lot of different shows and I'm watching count me in the drummer documentary and there's my friend Chad there he is and then I watch the cream documentary and there's my friend Chad it's like there isn't I love I love the cream story that you had which I would love for you to tell
obviously well you mean a ginger ginger becker one right beware of mr. becker no the the one with Alice Cooper and the cream magazine oh cream right of course sorry sorry cream at the band yeah not cream the band yeah cream the the the famous rock and roll magazine from the 70s yeah great
documentary that came out there was they sent me a coffee cup with the boy howdy cream guy on it and it was just amazing yeah but your story is just a beautiful story that I just I watch it three or four times well I grew up outside of Detroit of course it was that's where unbeknownst to a young
12 year old Chad cream magazine which was the rock and roll magazine I mean there was circus and hit parader maybe another one but cream was the kind of bible for a kid but it was irreparably and they they made fun of the rock stars and the writers were incredible it was funny and right they you
know which show candid pictures and it was just it was great I loved it and I read it every month and so in the Detroit version that you got there was a yellow local section maybe in the middle or somewhere to talk about all the local bands that were playing whatever local ship was going on
I thought that was kind of weird not not weird but I didn't really understand why you know somebody must you know right you must have stapled this in there something free magazine it's like oh so I look in the front in the table of contents and I look at the bottom in the fight print and it
says you know if you have any comments or this or that send it to you know here's the address Birmingham Michigan what is literally the next town over from where I live I'm like get the fuck out of here there is no way I get on my fucking 10 speed my swim 12 year old Chad
I knew the street because it was right next to discount records where I used to steal my first record I was a 12 year old trying to try to crotch a masters of reality album shove it down your pants right yeah what is that I got caught so I'm job I'm on my orange 10th
beat and I get to the street I think it was maple can't remember exactly now and I'm looking at the addresses and you know 3467 3465 34 and I stop and it's just in just grip looking building literally as I stop and clock the address the door flies open and outcomes Alice Cooper
haha with a fucking Budweiser no shirt on dumbling out in the afternoon I'm like oh shit it's real oh my god I was like the whole time it was here unbelievable again that was another thing was like man like if cream mega remember at 12 like everything is magical and and right unattainable and mysterious and you know scary and dangerous and you know rock and roll in the 70s and I was like it's right here fuck if if the cream can do this shit maybe little old Chad can get fucking lucky too
at once I got over the fact of like oh my god and then for and then like a couple weeks later I would like just kind of hang out I would go to that store and remember the day Chris you're probably not all of you would just go into the record store I didn't have any money
and you would just look through the just look just look and look at the coverage oh this looks cool that kind of looks like fucking insane well look at the tips on that one yeah that's how I have a penny in my pocket but I would look at those records and like wow this is so cool
and so great so I would do that and then I would kind of you know hang around see who might stumble out of cream magazine and never I never saw anyone again but that first time was mind blowing for sure well it's amazing though because that's how influential rock magazines were at that
time like you mentioned circus I have a subscription to circus and that was your lifeline to what was going on yeah you know the the new Metallica records called justice for all I thought in circus and you know the new Iron Maiden somewhere in times coming out you know March 25th right and
you would wait until March 25th and he used to take the bus down to the local right is the new Iron Maiden out yet no not this week fuck take the bus home next week take it back is it out yet no right and that yeah I mean obviously everything is like now like this but there was something about that
that made you like even love it more you had so much invested in that I was so invested in those kits albums and you know when dressed the kills coming out like you say you heard a little tidbit somewhere and that was the only way that you heard it yeah they were not on tv they weren't
saying this or that like it was that was really your only way was something in print and even then it was like you know it's real I don't know maybe they're just saying that and I remember Led Zeppel albums oh it's coming it's coming it's coming no it's not yeah a year later physical
graffiti oh no we're done recording it's coming out but it made it so I don't know it's just to me I maybe I'm just a sentimental part but I just love that like anticipation and just made it so much more special when like something and what someone and I'm going to band came to town
hey remember Led Zeppel back then again I was really young you didn't see them on tv they weren't either they weren't even I'm like Don Kirschner's rock concert they weren't they didn't do any of that they didn't do festivals they weren't at woodstock they were their own thing and it was like like
this society you know and if you could and they would put their tickets out and they would sell out like that and so that was it you never heard it wasn't ads for them or it was like they were it's really mysterious thing which is amazing to me I find that they gave you more of a connection
to the band you're talking about the peppers I remember watching real men don't kill kiosk like gosh that's back hill a slow back years yeah some small little video station local UHF a this is the red red hot chili peppers that's weird yeah and then mothers milk came out and I
remember seeing you with the hair yeah one else really had here after they had long hair but she like it was like what is when is with these guys you got to figure it out for yourself because there's really no word to read about it or hear about right you know and I love that discovery I guess you'd
say about about bands back then yeah especially if it was a band that you didn't really know about you were like well what is this and then you would go somebody would turn it out to an older brother or your friend or something then you would get into it and then it was like well this is something
I you know not everybody knows about this is it's some big giant thing that everybody else let this this is my thing like like some of those bands you talked like the maidens and and some of those bands that like that new wave of British metal came over and it was like I would watch MTV when
MTV first came out so what is that 81 81 yeah 81 or so yeah and they would play any video and they would play they didn't have enough videos to play they just put anything on yeah exactly so they would play Roth Child was it like you know was it in rotation heavy rotation I was like what the
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personality those guys have great personalities when did you realize that okay this is different from a normal rock and roll band and we're gonna be doing some we're gonna be wearing some light bulbs on our heads here type shit like was that kind of a collective effort or was just
everyone's just going for we don't give a shit like very unique especially for the time you know coming in talking about that first audition like before that like I knew of the chili peppers I knew who they were and I've heard of it heard them oh the guys socks and their dicks it's not
the other thing but I wasn't like a fan I didn't have their records I had to literally go out and buy the the Abbey Road EP because act to listen in my car on the way to the audition I sat in the parking lot for I went in and listened to it okay I'll they do fire my Jimmy Hanna okay that's
cool I like like a brave okay fucking crime straight fall okay this is pretty good but going in and you know setting up in there and and again like I you know from Detroit have my long hair bandana cut off shirt they're like get this fucking guy they're not about like any sunset strip
rock young good go child for the fucking the cult or somebody you know that yeah right in the wrong room pal some might someone had said that I eat drums for breakfast was what flee was told so I'm walking in with my drums and he's and I'm six three and they're not yeah and he's got his
little green mohawk and tattoos and you know it was his statistic was somewhat I think important I did not have that going on and they're like he goes oh yeah is that your breakfast and I'm like looking at you like what yeah what I'm looking at this fucking guy
and at the and John was 18 and he had a big long black mohawk and he had a Steve V like and I've been as guitar with the handle yeah he loves Steve V like as he loves apple but now he's in his favorite bandings and chili pepper these a kid not you normal you know guys
and but I'm like hey they have a record deal fuck I'll try out for these guys getting me out doing nothing but as soon as we started playing Chris it was like this is not a joke these this isn't a fucking joke band and this is in it's some not you know kooky look at me and I got
funny hair these guys can fucking play right you know we just started jamming in me just set up and flee started playing everything back then was super fast and you know that thing and I was like fuck yeah so I'm just like in I was like this is fucking good I don't know what it is
but I got digging it the energy and Anthony's like running around laughing his ass off I'm like that's kind of weird like we were just jamming so he wasn't singing and John broke his string and I've never seen anyone change his string faster in my life and he just didn't want to miss
out on the jam he just fucking changing on the fly he just takes so fast I'm like now I knew that I mean I'd never played with any any a bass player like flee obviously you know but you know I remember this is 1988 this is a long time ago and we just connected we had a thing and then
we're jamming and then I'm like I like started doing double time and they're like whoa you know oh shit this guy's fucking leading okay let's do that I'll fuck oh yeah it was one of like oh yeah so that the hair and bang then I kind of fell away because they're like this guy's pretty good
and the producer who had produced the uplift mofo party playing the record before mother's milk was just kind of hanging in the back Michael Bindhorn oh wow yeah I'm like okay you know and they're like a cool will give you call right then I walked out I was like oh that was
fucking that was pretty fun Bindhorn goes and they tried out of the guys and Michael said that's your guy and he's like wow the hair and the thing to try to and they're like telling you that you got wow and so Michael I I owe him you know I'm flee was in I'm Anthony was the one that was
like I don't know you know not really just get good rock drummer and everything he hits hard I don't know if he really gets the subtle tease of some of our stuff and I remember he made me a cassette early on oh after he said so I got a call this I'll go this was on my friend's answering
machine who I was sleeping on his couch and it said it's you're flui yeah we were it's cool want you join the band but you have to shave your head come into rehearsal on Tuesday and I was like I'm not shaving my head he's beautiful fucking he's beautiful Midwestern locks I've been working
fuck that so I show off you know of course there's the hair like you and shave your head I'm like yeah fuck you guys let's shave with her like okay we respect that yeah which is great showed you had some balls too right right so you said he made you a cassette of
of what oh yeah maybe a cassette of like the meters and like like the neville brothers and some some p funk stuff gotcha yeah and the deeper James Brown cuts deep sliced stone stuff like more funk that I knew of but he's like this is an important part of what we do yeah I want you to
really you know do your homework and I was like cool and it was great you know like some power of power and some other like super more slinky funk stuff that and that and he was right because if you're going from a rock stand where you mentioned ginger Baker and Bill Ward they have a real kind
of frenetic kind of jazzier style that I'm sure helped with the peppers yeah but the funk is the one element that's really not in rock and roll was there a certain or a couple funk drummers that stood up for you that you learned from I mean early on you know in the in the early 80s I had the
the the real honor and pleasure and then it's funny Chris this is how I first heard of the chili pepper I was in a band called Pharaoh which was a terrible band but all the players with these really good players I was the young not so good player but trying my best to keep up and
the percussionist in that band was was his name is Larry Fritange Lowe and he was the percussionist for Peefum oh okay and he had played on freaky style because George produced it into short so in like 85 or 86 I think that record was in 85 that was after Larry and I had played together
he was like what he'd been doing lately oh I played well on this if these crazy kids from California George is doing and he played me some of the like a couple songs I was like oh that's cool and I didn't think anything of it but that that was the first time they came on I radar
but Larry really helped me with you know I was kind of wild and I first way I could put it like I was a drummer before and I worked with him for a year in this band and when I got done after playing with Larry and he took me under his wing then I was like a musician because I learned
about time and dynamics how to build a song and we're not to play in what's just musical stuff where before I would just put my head down and bash my way through and hope to and stop it altogether kind of thing you know and this and he was like he really taught me a lot I mean he
played with Dennis Chambers and great drummers and you know Peefumkins and so I owe a lot to Larry because it was a time in my life where I really needed that schooling so to speak and he was patient with me and he's like I'm gonna fit he played percussion here in a big joint set up he's
I'm gonna do whatever the fuck I want you just keep straight time no matter what I do do not move pop and he'd be playing all around and start to speed up and it fuck with me right yeah and he's like don't fucking move you know when it comes to funk it's all about the one so I listen
to you know James Brown records and I mean those are the bible as far as you know that goes and then you know older stuff like a lot of the stack stuff and you know when a man loves a woman or or just like just all the up that kind of that you know muscle soul stuff and and see it's just
the back the L green just the back beat that's it that's all you need that's it but it's where you put it you know that kind of stuff and it took me a while I was like I can't really tell yeah he's just playing straight I don't know listen you get to really fucking like yeah and again you
have to be a certain point your life where you can we understand it understand correct yeah last couple questions for each ad I mean the record unlimited love when block summer came out I was like I'm writing you buy when by the way came out the song we were just like yes the peppers are back
this is great and then uh boaster child comes out and it's completely different which is what I love what the peppers there is no rules not for you guys no I think that's you're one of the few bands I mean you throw out beetles or or zeppelin you could do whatever you want and people just
accept it is the whole record like this of just different styles all you know is it all over the place well we got a lot of songs which which we normally do I mean black summer you know it's it's a it's like a familiar sound you know traditional peppers yeah and it's John's thing and
and that's cool and I love it and then poster child's like funk and I don't know if we're gonna do that live Anthony's gonna need a fucking teleprompter I know and he's gonna oxygen there's no breath in that song I know and we're doing it live and he's like he gets to like the last
verse and I see him like oh that's tough one did think about that when you were talking right 900 fucka words and verse number five yeah you it's you know Chris we're lucky man we can kind of do anything like you say and it still sounds like us so there's I mean there's
a little bit everything the next song comes out April first called these are the ways we just shot a video for and that sounds like the hoop I mean I'm doing a bunch of fucking drumming on that one so you know it's but we love all you know yeah we love everything you know so
when we do it you know Anthony's voice it's but you know it sounds that's him so it's like he tied together but musically yeah we can it's so rewarding to have that to be able to play whatever you want and just ends up sounding like like Red Outchilly Peppish you know you mentioned
that you're kind of in rehearsals now how many songs do you guys kind of have it the ready because I know the setless changes nightly yeah we're learning a lot of new ones just so we have them and we haven't really played them you know live other than one minute studio it's been a long time so
everyone's figuring out their pedals and their back and bound vocals and all that shit yeah usually we start out kind of doing certain amount of new ones and then you figure out which ones resonate or which ones go over which ones you play well better or whatever um you probably happen to
do your bands sometimes you think like I can't wait and then and then crickets yeah totally you're like fuck yeah I really like that song shit no one else did yeah thanks okay now we're gonna play one of the songs you know so we'll have some of that I'm sure but we're yeah we're we're you know
we got a lot of songs so we're doing mostly stuff from mine and John Zerry you know the stuff off of putt sugar and California Cation by the way a lot of stuff from stadium yeah and then new stuff so that's that's where it's at right now but we'll we'll start to hone it and and
figure out what works and as you know you know that kind of takes a little time to figure it out but right now we're just trying to play and get the muscle working again but it's going good last two questions for you there's a famous uh kind of a home video that came out in 91 of you guys when
you were recording blood sugar sex magic in the haunted mansion yeah did you ever have any haunted experiences in the haunted mansion I didn't personally the other guys did but I but Chris I didn't I didn't stay in the house those guys stayed the house I just met my first wife Maria I want to spend
time with her no offense to the other guy though spending plenty time with them but I was going back and forth and I kind of like to clear my head you know get away yeah get away yeah it was helping for for me anyway but we had a security guy staying there keep it on equipment and there
was a old piano upstairs he thought he thought he heard you know the piano god he just smoke good weight he was exactly and we're like okay yeah and then he said he heard oh no he saw a woman in the front yard with a long white dress like from the 20s or 30s and she was walking around and he quit he's like I'm out yeah I'm out you know maybe the other guys I'm trying to think if they did there was one room that was really cold for no reason and and somebody said that they felt like
somebody murdered and they you know I don't know there's a place in Milwaukee called the rave it's a famous kind of venue yeah and everyone says it's haunted so like it's haunted you you want to go in the basement I'm like okay and it's this tiny little basement with this kind of old school
boiler and radiator it's like it's fucking creepy and I'm like whether it's haunted or not this this is this is creepy this is fucked up I don't want to be in this place anymore that's probably why people think it's haunted yeah you have a couple drinks have a gummy go down to the basement it's
haunted right yeah there was there was a lot of people thought it was Houdini's mansion but it was it Houdini's was across the street so it's it's up low canyon and in the basement of the house we were in there was a big blocked off so at some point there was a tunnel that went underneath the road probably to Houdini's house that was the house of course street so and there were some weird things you fucking know yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah again I don't want to fucking hang out down here yeah
weird a dig and moldy spiders in here yeah yeah of course yeah no it's not I'm not not doing that so yeah I mean you know lots of bands but we were the first band to be in that house with Rick and he bought it and then now lots of people recorded and then we went back and recorded a stadium
there we did all the basic tracks for that record but he did love and rockets and Mars volt I think Manson did a record there yeah it's a great place yeah well last question for each out what's your favorite song on a limited love and what's your favorite song to play live
there's there's one that stands out for you oh right now probably only because I get to do my keep moon impersonation is probably they caught some called these are the ways coming out April first yeah coming out April first lots of notes it's it's rocking it's pretty great live shit
maybe give it away because it's the last song it's hoping like a true vet you know people see they sort of like that and it's like the horse sees the fucking barn and there it is I'm almost home I mean you know that probably changes and then you know playing new songs live is always fun too
because they're new ones but what's your favorite live song to play I think probably we have a song called Judas that's kind of our big yeah single yeah that's like you said like give it away everyone knows the words everyone's singing and no matter how many times you play it this thing out of great point actually Stewart Copeland did that the song ceases being yours and becomes theirs it's their night their moment so it's Judas is the one yeah because everyone's waiting for it thank you
yeah thank you we just went gold we got a gold record for that chat amazing our first I have one you have hundreds now not what you got a hundred books behind you right well I'm trying to hide the the whatever those MTV things are my wife put those up and so I you know I can't do oh there you go
yeah we'll believe it on the wife right yeah believe in on the wife look at my stuff I'm so great and old dude so great to see you man I can't wait to see you this summer I'm gonna come see it one of the stadium shows of course you just let me know I'm a cigarette from you again come on back
always of course Chris you're good your family's good everybody's good everyone's good man yeah we made it through everything and and my son's about ready to graduate from high school you know how that goes oh my god wow life moves forward man wow for this cool unbelievable how has that
happened I know it's funny because when when I came and saw you the first time we were in Tulsa yeah and then the second time was in Tampa and I brought my son you like you want to cigarette and I'm like not one of my sons here I don't smoke what are you talking about Chad I've never smoked a cigarette my life so bad for you right son oh man all right my friends dude all right my brother great talking to you you too we'll catch up absolutely you're city for time thanks Chad