Back To The Future... And Back - 40 Years of Marty, Doc, & Mayor Goldie Wilson

Wait a minute. Wait a minute, Doc. Are you telling me that you built a time machine out of a DeLorean? Talkin' Looking very dapper here. It is the returning Brad Gilmore with the new book, Why We Love Back to the Future, which is great because the last time we spoke was for your last book, which was...

Also about Back to the Future. What was that book called? It was called Back from the Future. Back from the Future. Yeah. So let me ask you this. Why do another book? on this movie and and i know the reason why because it's still such a huge part of our pop culture existence but what was the timing to do this new book right here right now well you know we're coming up on 40 years believe it or not of back to the future being in the

pop culture lexicon and so was the last time 35 years last time was 35 years gotcha gotcha okay so 40 years yeah so it's a 40 year anniversary of of the first movie but also this year's the 35th anniversary of back to the future three last

year was the 35th anniversary back to the future part two so a lot of anniversaries in this and then since i published the book there had been so much more things that had come out for back to the future there's the musical that finally got out after covid struck you know there was a series of comic books

came out. They really dived into the theories and the lexicon and the added to the lexicon, I should say, a back to the future and answer these unanswerable questions. And because of the book started to have way more conversations about the movie with other people, people like yourself or.

just random people at a comic convention or on a radio interview. They just want to sit and talk about their theories of Marty and Doc and how did they meet and how did this happen? Oh, can you believe they cut this scene from the movie? And then I just started talking to so many people from the movies. Crispin Glover, Leah Thompson, Christopher Lloyd, Bob Gale, Robert Zemeckis. Getting to interview these people and talk to them about these movies, I just felt like I had so much more.

insight on the franchise than I did when I wrote the book the first time. So I said, you know what? Let me just take another swing at this thing. Let me add some more. Let me go more in depth than I did previously and really give people a quintessential fans guide through. in what my opinion still is the greatest franchise in the history of cinema

Well, it's interesting. And you mentioned in there, Quentin Tarantino was talking about, you know, the perfect movie and mentioned how Back to the Future is the perfect movie. And I think that's one of the reasons why, like you just said, why there's so much of this ancillary.

projects and discussions going on is it really does hold up for any generation, any timeframe. Do you, I mean, obviously you do, but let's discuss why you feel it is a perfect movie. Well, first of all, there's no, when you think about the script.

They literally will teach in screenwriting classes in college. They teach back to the future script because the way that they set everything up in the very beginning, it pays off by the end. There's no wasted scenes. There's no wasted movement. The expositions all. there set up payoff it's like a really tight well crafted very very smart constructed story in the script but i think that the appeal of the movie is really the reason why we still talk about it is because and i just

conversation with a mutual friend of ours, Chris Van Vliet, we talked about it, who actually has a contribution in the book. We talk about how Back to the Future really is a movie about choices and how the choices in your life, these small little details like... asking a girl out to a dance at your school or standing up to the bully or believing in yourself, how these small things change the complete complexion of your entire life. And who can't relate to that?

Right. Who can't relate to man? Like, I know I play the game all the time. Like, wow, if I didn't do this, then that wouldn't happen. Then that wouldn't happen. Then that would happen. Everybody has that internal monologue in their head.

And so I think Back to the Future does something really beautiful about not only telling a time travel story, but telling a story of self-discovery and belief and also telling a really awesome family story. Just the idea of where the movie came from. You find your...

dad's yearbook in your basement and go what was it like to go to school with my dad that's also a question that we would all wonder like was my dad cool in high school was my mom like kind of a little bit too flirtatious perhaps with with all the other guys

It's such an interesting concept, but it does come down to life is all about these small choices. And that's why I think these movies just stand the test of time, especially the first one. And I agree with Quentin. It is a perfect film. There's nothing you can say.

oh, you know, they could have cut 15 minutes out of it. How many times do you say that out of a movie? All the time, yeah. Man, they could have shaved 15, 20 minutes off. It would have been really, really good. This one, it's like, what do you cut? You can't cut the clock tower scene. You can't cut him performing Johnny B. Goode. There's no fat there. And so, yeah, I just feel like that's why it's perfect. It's one of those things where...

I'm saying this with the utmost respect and you'll get where I'm coming from in this. I think with Michael Fox's condition now with the Parkinson's and we see him and you see him in Back to the Future as this. top of his game actor who had his career not been cut short by his disability probably would have been even double so I can't even imagine what a

adult, aging Michael J. Fox, the parts that he could have played and then the things he would have done. So it almost is this great point in time where he was at his peak. And just a few years later, started feeling the effects of his disease. So I find that it is kind of a time machine in that to go back and watch Michael J. Fox just crushing it as this amazing role in the midst of many great ones that he played in this time frame.

i mean yeah because he's coming off a teen wolf but he's still on family ties which was the number one show he's the most popular character on this show he was kind of the the i the american or the north american icon really yeah and you're right peak of his powers

Because after this, after the Back to the Future trilogy, yeah, he had some shows. He had Spin City. You know, he did a few movies. Greed, I think, was one of them. Doc Hollywood. There was, like, a few things. Secret to My Success. Yeah. Yeah, Secret to My Success.

There was a few things that he did. He voiced Stuart Little, right, which was a really popular movie at the time. But these were the peak of his powers with the Back to the Future movies. And really, for the entirety of the cast, the entirety of the cast, this movie was so...

Good point. I mean, Christopher Lloyd went on to do several things. I mean, several things. He was Jim Ignatowski in Taxi before this. But people think Doc Brown. He was Professor Plum in Clue, which is another favorite 85 movie of mine. I love. that clue the movie. Nobody remembers him as Professor Plum. Everybody remembers him as Doc Brown. He went on to play Uncle Fester. He's about to play Uncle Fester again.

People still think of him as Doc Brown, no matter what he does. And it's really Leah Thompson, Crispin Glover. You can go through them all. Tom Wilson. They're all remembered for this movie. And Robert Zemeckis has gone on to put out. Incredible films, including Castaway, Forrest Gump, Flight. He just did Here last year, which was a really great movie with Tom Hanks again. But people still want to talk about Back to the Future.

Let's get into your book because you've got a lot of different subjects and topics, but you mentioned already the musical. So you were saying, let's talk about the musical. It was supposed to come out before COVID, then went down. Now it is actually out.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. They had been planning this musical since the early 2000s. The idea had been getting thrown around, and they were ready to do it. They were ramped up. They actually started the previews over in the West End across the pond there. and then covet struck so after i think it was a week about a week of previews the entire production shut down and this dream that

Bob Gale and the team of Back to the Future had of bringing this to a stage musical was vanished. It was gone because like everything else, the world stopped. Not only did the NBA stop, Back to the Future, the musical stopped. I think the only thing that didn't stop was wrestling ever. That was the only constant. And it never was. But so, yeah, they had to go through it. And then in 2023, it finally made its way stateside.

August the 3rd, they had their official Broadway debut at the Winter Garden Theater after a lot of time putting into this musical. I mean, they had different creative teams going to try to cast. I mean, because here's the thing. Yes, there are movies like, let's say we've talked about James Bond before. Hey, we've seen other actors play that role. Batman, we've seen other actors play that role. Superman, same, Spider-Man, whatever. Or...

This movie, we've never seen anyone else tackle the roles of Marty McFly and Doc Brown. So to have to go through that casting process and find the right person who can do. kind of an imitation of some kind of what we saw in the movies but actually bring it to a fresh stage energy right not a parody right yeah not a parody and that's like a really tough line it's like you want to

give people the characters that they know, but you don't want it to come off as, like you said, a parody of itself. So to be able to do that and then to think about adapting it into a musical. Because we think, oh, they can just do the movie on stage, right? Well, no. You've got to figure out when's the right breaks for songs. What songs do we sing? How can we turn a particular scene into a song? Right. How do you have a flying DeLorean in a musical?

how do you have a libyan nationalist chasing you down with a rocket launcher you know spoiler you don't how do you have a dog how do you do all these things and and to me when i went and saw the broadway production of it

uh and chris i i don't say this just as a back to the future fan i've seen a lot of broadway shows i've seen a lot of live entertainment and the production value on this show was incredible i mean just the way that a delorean appears on stage within a split second and it does fly over the crowd spoiler alert for everybody out there they they made changes to the story to fit the stage but i feel like we're never going to get it back to the future for according to bob and bob

But this feels like the best extension of the franchise, you know, since Back to the Future Part 3. What differences to the script? I know there's a little bit of a different ending I heard. So the ending is different. And I actually think that it kind of works. I don't want to say it works better than the original because it's hard to say anything does, but it's on the same level of it. So as opposed to you remembering Back to the Future 1.

At the end, Marty comes back. He's got the truck in the driveway. The house is a little bit nicer. He and his, you know, Crispin and Leah Thompson, they're thinner and they look more successful and the furniture is better. And then he gets his new book, his first novel. you know, match made in space and all these things. It's a little bit different. At the end of the musical, we come back to the Hill Valley clock tower into like the town square and it's George McFly day.

Because George McFly has written a check to help save the clock tower. And because he's a successful author with this series of books. And the book that he has at the end of the musical is not a match made in space. The book that he has is Back to the Future 4.

is the name of his book, because he had a series of books called Back to the Future, and Back to the Future 4 is the nice cherry on top. So it definitely nods to the fans who always wanted a Back to the Future 4, and I guess that's the closest you're ever going to get.

what kind of a fan base was at the musical like what kind of a crowd did they have so that was what was kind of the most beautiful thing about it was all kinds of folks right young old but i saw a lot of dads and sons and there was this actually a dad and son right in front of me and my wife and the break comes for the intermission the kid is just so enthralled and he turns to his dad he must be five or six somewhere in there

He turns to his dad, he goes, this is the coolest thing I've ever seen. And his dad goes, I know, right? And they had this beautiful father-son moment of bonding over this musical. And I thought to myself, how many times has this happened when somebody shows the movie to their kid? right like this is the coolest thing and just in the way bond is like a father-son thing in my opinion so is back to the future and it's our family thing but really

If you show this to, I remember showing it to my nephews and they're like, how have I never seen this movie before? Because it has. Everything a kid would love about it, whether it be the musical or the films, but also when you watch it, when you get older, you understand the theme so much deeper than what I did when I was watching it as a kid. Like even with Lorraine, I know I'm getting off.

of the musical but just like even with Lorraine and her character and being kind of this sad housewife who never really saw her full potential or George not ever standing up for himself you know when you're a kid you can understand that but as you get older you really understand the pathology of the characters, which also makes this film, I think, also rewatchable. It makes this story, not just film, makes this story.

so entertaining and so rewatchable for people of all generations so you had everybody out there and i'll tell you what i've never seen a busier merch stamp they have these great scott hats and shirts and they were going like nwo shirts in 98 right i mean they were crazy the winter garden theater was packed man as a long time fan of the movies i was very skeptical of a of a musical

I was like, yeah, is this thing going to be corny? Is it going to be silly? Is it going to be over the top? And yes, it is. It is silly. It is over the top. But it's also they really did a great job of. finding ways to incorporate the music from the original movie because you got to think you have earth angel you have johnny be good you have back in time you have power of love those are four songs that you can build the back off of

for your musical, you're actually in pretty good shape to have those four records. That's a great call. I forgot about the Huey Lewis ones. If they incorporate those, it's amazing. Oh yeah. So the power of love rings out back in time rings out. And of course you have earth angel.

and uh johnny be good and the johnny be good scene the the actor who played marty in the version i saw this guy named casey likes and he crushes it man he crushes it when he walked out on the stage it felt like you know it felt like freddie Freddie Mercury, you know, back in the day, he just captivated this whole audience. It was like Freddie and Live Aid, man. It was insane.

did they write any additional songs for like is there like a goldie wilson solo or anything like that yeah yeah there's a lot there is a a goldie wilson there's a at the beginning of the second act there's this whole thing of doc brown talking about what the 21st century is like and of course there's the joke like don't go to 2020 uh whatever you do and then right right actually one of my favorite songs of the musical is when marty goes back to 55

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But you mentioned how going back to see if your dad was cool in high school. It's funny because the reason why Marty is the way he is, which is kind of a chip on his shoulder go-getter, is because his dad... is the exact opposite and because marty was kind of put in the same category as his dad he rebelled against that then he goes back in time and turns his dad into what he is which then makes his dad successful so it's very reciprocal well and the other interesting thing though

is there's always been this debate we talk about back to future being a perfect movie but there was a debate that marty mcfly's character never had an arc in the film like he's essentially the same person at the beginning of the movie that he is at the end of the movie right and they say well that's in the sequels they made him

You know, he didn't like being called chicken and he was a hothead. And that was how he's going to have this character arc. But I talked to Bob Gale and we actually have a conversation about it in the book that Marty actually does have this character change in Back to the Future 1 because. If you remember, Jennifer, his girlfriend, tells him, you need to send this demo tape into the record company. And he goes, what if I'm no good? What if they say no? Which we hear George say later.

When he's talking about his science fiction stories, what if they say no? And there was actually a bit in the script where you see Marty dropping his demo tape into the mailbox. But because of George getting over his fear of rejection. by happenstance and kind of the through the fabric of time marty also learns to get over his fear of rejection so there is a character arc in that first one and then they expanded obviously going forward but you're absolutely right

Marty was the influence on his dad to help his dad stand up to the bad guys so that he wouldn't have this fear of rejection that Marty doesn't want to have. It's confusing, but you understand what I'm saying. Of course. And it's one of those great parts of the movie, yeah. Do we see Marty drop the demo tape in the mail? We don't. We don't. But if you look in the movie, whenever he wakes back up in the now new 1985.

you can see a manila envelope like on the kitchen counter ah gotcha you know they were going to have him drop in the mailbox to kind of show that payoff

So let's talk about this. You said that you talked to Bob Gale, one of the producers of the film. How did you end up talking? Were you interviewing him just in general? Are you tracking down these influential people just for your own? personal knowledge or were you always planning on doing another book? No, I wasn't. I wasn't planning to do a new version of the book. But what happens is, you know, my day gig being on the radio and in Houston.

I'm a part of a local television show where we interview the... whomever is in the movie junkets, the Matthew McConaughey's, the Tom Hanks, Kevin Costner's. Luckily you just find yourself like, Hey, you want to talk to Bob Gale? He's got a new book out about back to the future. And it was called doc Brown's workshop.

and and all this i was like yeah i'd love to talk to bob so now i'm like i have this litany of questions i want to go through and know all the answers to and all the small little details of the movie and same with crispin glover or leah thompson or christopher lloyd christopher lloyd was doing something the discovery channel about back to the future and they're like hey do you want to have him on and you talk about back to the future with christopher lloyd and i'm like no

I don't want that. And so I started to have all these conversations. And then last year there was a there's a big comic convention in Houston every year called Comicpalooza. And their headliners were. Michael J. Fox and Christopher Lloyd. Wow. Yeah. And so it was like a really awesome opportunity. And I got to go in there and actually meet them in person and not have not really share long conversations or anything, but actually meeting them.

And actually seeing them live and in living color, it did change kind of something for me. Like, man, you know, I feel like I have more to say on this story. And that was the impetus last year to go, you know what? Let's go back in the book. Let's make this thing the quintessential. version that i always wanted it to be with more information it's not just those guys i mean i talked to claudia wells who played the original jennifer parker don full of love who played

Mayor Goldie Wilson, Harry Waters Jr., who plays Marvin Barry, who sings the Earth Angel song. You know, everybody I could. Jeffrey Weissman, who actually took over for Crispin Glover in Back to the Future 2 and 3, and he was kind of the actor they tried to make look like.

crispin and there was the whole controversy of that just getting everyone's insight on why they think that this movie is these film franchise rather continues to stand the test of time so yeah so talking to gail and all these guys it's it's Talking to you is crazy to me still, but talking to them as well, it's amazing where life takes you and to have these conversations and to be able to talk to the people who did it and made it.

and brought it to life especially bob gale who this whole thing was his idea when um aw's first starting went to madison square garden for a ranger game to kind of promote aw whatever Maybe they were in the New York market or being on TBS. And Michael J. Fox was there as well, just kind of a couple sections down. And they put on Michael J. Fox, people cheer. And then it said Chris Jericho.

WWE so people cheer I was like oh shit so the word got around so then they later on the game put Chris Jericho AEW so I got two mentions in the garden and Michael J Fox only got one Sounds appropriate. Sounds appropriate. But I went over and talked to him for a bit because he's obviously a Canadian kid, small town Canadian kid as well. And, you know, great guy. But let's talk a little bit about some of these other people that you spoke to.

And what kind of insight did you get from them? For example, you know, Crispin Glover. First of all, why wasn't he in two and three? And second of all, what kind of insight did you get from him? Because we know he's notoriously eccentric. He's very eccentric. And well, the reason why he wasn't in the other two films, it kind of is one of these he said, she said situations. Like Crispin said he had some creative differences. The producers say he wanted too much money.

We couldn't agree on a salary for him. Whatever the case might be, he didn't end up being in it. But him choosing not to return to the franchise is what changed. Back to the Future 2 and 3, because originally this movie was Back to the Future 1. The end of it was a joke. It wasn't meant to set up a franchise. They didn't really do that too much in the 80s. Sure, sure. We're going to set up these long term stories and we're going to have one lead into the other.

That wasn't the idea at all. They thought this would be a really great way to pay off like the end of the movie is like a fun joke. Oh, where are they going to next? I'll let your mind figure it out. They're going to the future. Yeah. So when they went back to everyone in the cast and everyone said, yes, we'll do it. Yes, we'll do it. Yes, we'll do it.

was the only one that kind of said, I'm not feeling that because he had issues with the ending of Back to the Future Part One. He thought that it was too materialistic and it gave the wrong message that money equates success and success and money equal happiness. And that's not really.

what it should be. So he had some creative differences with the way that the films were being written or what have you, and he didn't want to return to it. So that's what made Bob Gale go, okay, we'll just kill George McFly. I mean, that's the power of being a writer, right? We just kill him off. and so that's why when they go to the biff horrific period the alternate 1985 and back to the future part two that's why george mcfly is dead

Gotcha. And Biff killed him. And that's where the idea came from. But they had to get this actor, Jeffrey Wiseman, who really was in an unenviable position. You have to come in. You have to kind of act like Crispin Glover. We're going to try to make people. think that it's crispin glover and not really you but we you know we're going to bill you but we want people to think it's crispin and they even edited in scenes from back to the future part one and part two to kind of continue that illusion

So he has a really fascinating story because he and Crispin were friends before this. And then there was a whole lawsuit that Crispin Glover filed because they used his likeness and his life mask.

And I know you've been on a lot of films and I'm sure they've done the life cast of your mask before. Now they do it digitally, but back then they would do it with, you know. Like plaster or whatever. Plaster, yeah, yeah, yeah. And the resin or what have you. So they have this life mask. So they were able to actually.

get prosthetics to put onto Jeffrey's face and Crispin, uh, didn't take too kindly to that. So, you know, he, he filed a lawsuit and they settled out of court. No one really knows the, the outcome of it, but that was why he ended up not being in it, but he's one of.

Many people who ended up not being in either the sequels or the originals, because we know Eric Stoltz was the original Marty McFly, and they shot with him for six to eight weeks, depending on who you add. That long? Yeah. Well, so. Tom Wilson says we were at the point in the production where we're thinking like, OK, we're talking about what we have next. Like, hey, what are you working on next? What you got lined up? Like that was how far along they were. They're wrapping up.

yeah robert zemeckis was showing the dailies to steven spielberg and was like man i just don't feel like this is clicking the way that we want it to wow the real issue was eric stoltz great actor obviously he's a really great actor and has gone on to have a good career

for himself but he was method so every he was marty everyone called him marty he acted like marty on and off the set and on and off takes and they said he was playing it too seriously like he was acting as this this was actually happening to a kid and if you think about it

If a teenager goes back to the past, is stuck there, and his mom is starting to come on to him, you might not have such a comedic reaction like Michael J. Like Michael did. Right. Exactly. Yeah. You might have a little bit more worrisome. of how this is going to turn out sure sure she's playing it so real and they shot for six to eight weeks and then steven spielberg said you're just not getting the laughs that you want

It's not going to work. That's unbelievable. Just think about that for a second, Brad. I mean, obviously, you're in show business, but this is a big-time Hollywood blockbuster film that after six to eight weeks, A. They decided to pull the plug and start from scratch just from a monetary standpoint. B, that Spielberg has the power to do that. And C, what did Eric Stoltz think? I'd want to take a gun and shoot Spielberg for that.

Yeah, I mean, and the thing is, it was so hard to find anything with Eric Stoltz, his opinions on it. I mean, I could not, I looked long and hard, every Reddit board you can think of. Every article going through newspaper archives. And then finally, five or six months ago, a clip from the Bob Costas show later, which was a late night half hour talk show in the 90s. Eric Stoltz was on there promoting some.

Off-Broadway play. So it was very obscure, very obscure clip. And he happened to get asked about what he thought about Back to the Future. And he seemed at the time that he understood the reasoning and he said it was tough medicine to take, but it actually made him a...

a better actor because of it which i think is the most healthy way to look at it sure but he also said like it's the director's call and and you know this from from being on sets and and being in wrestling and stuff like hey it's it's not my show

your show. So what do you want from me? I'll facilitate the best way that I can. And he just wasn't able to do it. So Eric Stoltz gets replaced by Michael J. Fox six weeks in and Michael J. Fox was filming Family Ties in the day and then coming to film Back to the Future at night.

So this was around the clock. And then he ended up doing it again for the sequels because Family Ties was still on during the time he was shooting the sequels. Also, Melora Harden was cast as the original Jennifer Parker when Eric Stoltz was in the movie. And then they had to fire her because she was taller than Michael J. Fox. Wow. So when they come back, then they're like, oh, we got to fire you because you're too tall.

and it's not like they can have an apple box or apple crate in every shot for when he's with his girlfriend and make him look six four or whatever so they had to fire melora hardin from the movie so there's like so many people who almost could have been either in the movie or in the sequels. And not to mention then, as we start going down the food chain here, everybody else has to redo their scenes again. And that's what Christopher Lloyd was so worried about. He was like,

I just threw everything I had into this Doc Brown role. And you know, his portrayal of the character is this constantly in crisis, huge, big, very physical performance. And you get to the six, eight week mark, you're thinking, I'm good to go. I've shot all my scenes.

And they're like, no, you got to you got to redo them all. And thankfully, they were able to keep some coverages. And if you listen to him or Tom Wilson or some of the people who had scenes with Eric, when Biff gets punched in Lou's cafe. in 1955 from marty they say that that's actually eric stoltz punching him not like there was some coverages that they kept in there but i can't imagine having to go through an entire production and then restarting it

I don't think it would ever happen today. There's no way that any studio would be like, we spent 200 million on this Iron Man. Let's do it again. I just think from a budgetary standpoint, there's no way, but it's just interesting that even 40 years ago. Things ran differently. And then once again, the fact that Spielberg had the power to pull the plug at that point. Nowadays, they'd be like, hey, tough luck. It's good. It's fine. It's great. Don't worry about it. But you talk about it.

peak of their powers yes spielberg would go on to continue but god man et close encounters jaws i mean indiana jones he was a king maker yeah you don't have to say anything he was he was the guy pretty much for all of the 80s he was the guy Yeah. You mentioned Tom Wilson and.

There's a great part in your book why Biff is the greatest heel ever, the greatest cinematic villain ever. Let's discuss that. And before you do, have you ever seen him, that thing? It's all over on TikTok and on Instagram. He sings that song called The Question. Oh, yeah. So good. Stop asking me the question. Yeah. What's Crispin Glover like? Haven't talked to in 40 years. I don't know.

he's great and he's and biff is great in the movie and when you think about it and i count him in the book and i think it's seven it's either seven or i think it's seven that it comes out to seven different variations of the biff character of biff really yeah because there's the biff we see in 85 then there's young biff in 55 and then there's the subservient to george mcfly biff

at the end of the first movie in 1985. Then you see Old Man Biff. You see Biff Horrific, which is the most powerful Biff in the world. And then you have Griff, the grandson. And then Buford Tannen, the great-grandfather. So you have seven versions of the same character, essentially. I mean, give or take the Griff and Buford Mad Dog Tannen, but the same actor portraying seven variations of this essentially same person in doing so really effortlessly. And I say in that.

biff horrific period which we call the night the alternate 1985 and this is when he's running the casino and he's he's married to lorraine and yeah yeah and he uh goes back gives himself the almanac and becomes the luckiest man and the richest man in the world or what have you when you look at

That scene where he's on the top of this pleasure paradise and he's telling Marty, it's poetic justice. I'm going to kill two McFly's with the same gun, right? They couldn't match the bullet that killed your old man. he delivers it it's so vicious it's so real though and you feel the terror in him so this movie that's really light and fun in a lot of ways

Tom Wilson and Biff find a way to really give us that ultimate bad guy because you want nothing more than to him to get his comeuppance at the end of the movies, at the end of all three of the movies. And he does so, so well. And to me, you know this, a heel.

can really start to become cool when people like him. Absolutely. You know, he's a badass, you know, and you're a perfect example. When you were that 08, 09, 2010 run where you were wearing the suits and the perfect diction and the long words and the...

the way that you portrayed that character you made it to where there wasn't like a redeeming quality to that version of chris jericho we did not want to cheer for you we wanted to see you get beat especially in that beautiful feud you had with sean right and so for me

When, you know, Hogan and those guys were doing the NWO, they became cool. They became the coolest guys on the show. Like, I know I've talked to Booker before. He goes, I went out and I was the baby face and I was getting booed, you know, working Scott Hall. It killed me. It was so hard. Yeah, me too. Me too. Yeah. So with Biff, there's not a point in any of these movies where you go, this guy's awesome. I wish I was Biff. Darth Vader, you say that guy's awesome. Everyone loves Darth Vader.

And he even gets redemption at the end of the series. But when I think of great cinematic villains, and I'm sure there's a longer list than just Biff Tannen. But there's just no redeeming qualities to him. And that's why I think he's just the perfect heel. And he does so in several variants. And you're right, because I always say it's a lot easier to make people hate you than it is to make them like you. But then when they start hating you, then they start liking you.

And all the great villains, Darth Vader, Freddy Krueger, Hannibal Lecter, Schwarzenegger's Terminator, by the second or third movie, they're instantly babyfaces because they're just so cool. And Biff was never that. Once again, because Marty was always cool. But that's a great point that you made. Imagine being Thomas Wilson in 1984 or whatever, getting this script. Because I've never thought about it. Not only is he playing the heel, I got to play this guy.

in three different variations in one movie. Yeah. In one movie. And once again, I'm sure he did a lot of other stuff, but it's not like we know any of it. This could be, if you said these are the only three movies he ever made, I'd be like,

yeah you're right and what what a great three movies to make for for an actor oh yeah i mean and yes he did go on to do other things you know um camp nowhere is the one that comes to mind because christopher lloyd's in that one too but right but yeah he he's known for these roles and He should be because he's so good at him. And even think about this. It's not just, okay, I'm going to play this guy young and old and then a little bit different in 85. His physicality changes.

In 85, he's a little bit heavier. He's drinking, you know, all you got for me, McFly, is light beer. You know, he's got kind of a beer belly and he's a little bit heavier. And then he's this young powerhouse. I mean.

biff was huge he was jacked he looked jacked in 55 and then he's got to come back and he's kind of got like a little bit of a hump in his back and various shoulders are dropped and his performance is different because he's subservient to george oh oh yes mr mcfly just put on the second coat of wax right now To be able to do that and to make it believable and pull it off. Maybe I'm putting too much into it, but I just feel like he's so good at it. And then to go do that for two more movies.

Yeah, he went on to voice a lot of cartoons and that sort of a thing, just in case anybody's looking to see. But yeah, great, great character development. And once again, like you said, pulling a bullet, using a gun to kill both McFlies, that's something that... I remember it's irredeemable. Yeah, exactly. But I watched back to the future, probably on an annual basis, two and three, not as much, but they're both, you know, once again, they're not as good as one.

But you're talking about a real case for one of the best trilogies ever, right up there with the original Star Wars trilogy and the initial Indiana Jones trilogy as well. i call back to the future of pure trilogy because you know the star wars

It's the Skywalker saga has nine movies. Yeah. The Indiana Jones. Now we just got the fifth one. What was it? A year or two ago. Back to the future has been three movies and that's all it's ever been. And it's all it ever will be. And I can't think of one that's as satisfying. Of course. you can talk about the dark knight trilogy but the third one kind of the dark knight rises isn't like a favorite amongst people you talk about godfather series godfather part three you know i mean okay but

George Hamilton is the consigliere now? Okay, I guess so. You know, the Omen trilogy from the 70s. Omen 3 is kind of just a shitty slasher movie. The third one is always the one that's suspect. Back to Future 3. People don't like the third one as much. It does, but it's stronger as a third part of a series than most. I mean, maybe not Return of the Jedi or Holy Grail, but it's still pretty damn good.

It's good. And you know what? Back to the Future 3 is like, to me, more like part one because it's Marty and Doc. They're stuck in the past. Yeah. No obvious way to get back to the future. They've got to get inventive. And then all these.

things end up happening it whereas back to the future part two is is fun and really i don't think i've ever seen a movie like it and you're a cinephile so maybe you could tell me but i don't remember a movie where half of the movie

They go back to the original movie and then see it from different perspectives and reshoot all that. Zemeckis at this time has to be on a creative high because he's coming off Romancing the Zone. He's going into Back to the Future 1. then he goes into roger rabbit which i can't imagine how difficult of a technical challenge that was in 1987-88 when that movie came out right and then right into the back to the future sequels

And to have that idea of what if we go back into the first movie is great because the original script, they weren't going to go back into the 1955. It was actually. marty goes to the future he sees a holographic concert of huey lewis in the news there's all these kinds of small little differences but they do go with the almanac biff goes and becomes the most powerful man but marty actually goes back to 1967.

oh wow instead of 1955 and lorraine is a vietnam protester and and marty gets locked up for being a conscientious objector to the war and you know i mean there's all kinds it's very different from what we read and then even in the alternate 1985 marty and doc are having to fly away from police helicopters

And there's a grenade launcher getting shot at them. I guess it's a recurring theme of Back to the Future. There are a lot of grenade launchers, RPGs. But it was so different. And it was going to be one sequel. So they were going to have this one huge sprawling epic.

that was going to go from the future to the past and then back to the western times all in one movie and then the studio was like this is a long script and i don't think we need a four-hour follow-up to back to the future and that was when the idea came well we can split it into two movies and shoot them back to back the way that

Superman did. I think they shot Superman 1 and 2 pretty much at the same time. They did the same thing with the Three Musketeers movies. They did those at the same time. And that was where we actually got two parts to Back to the Future as opposed to just a big...

follow-up sequel. But yeah, I mean, you can actually find the original script called Paradox online and you can read where they were going to go with it. Very different. And the original Back to the Future was different. The first version of the script is Marty McFly's a video pirate. who's ripping off movies and filming them and selling them on the black market and he ends up finding the secret to the flux capacitor is coca-cola

He knocks some Coca-Cola in the flux capacitor and it works. And the end of the movie was going to be they go to a nuclear test site and the atom bomb goes off. And the only way that the time machine was a refrigerator. They were going to nuke the fridge, which they ended up doing in Indiana Jones. Indiana Jones, that's right. Yeah, of course. So, I mean, so vastly different. And I guess that's also what fascinates me. And it's really going back to the theme of the movie is that one change.

Marty's a video pirate instead of a rock and roller. It changes who Marty McFly is. Refrigerator? No, we're going to change it into DeLorean. It changes the whole vibe of this movie. I can't imagine wanting to get in my refrigerator to go to 1955. But in Houston, they have the DeLorean headquarters. And I will go there to see if I can go back to the future in a DeLorean. It's so amazing when you hear how these movies come together and that sort of thing.

Because once again, yeah, when they wrote it, you know, it sounds like something from a like Willy Wonka glass elevator time machine refrigerator and then changing it to a DeLorean, which at the time. was like the most space age car. And it's like in Seamus from WWE. had a delorean i think i told this last time i went to his house it's terrible it looks like a gremlin yeah i mean i used to have a 76 volari and it looked like a volari with the the doors that go up

And to this day, I mean, take, this is not political. I had a Tesla way before it became political. The one Tesla I did not want was the, was the doors going up because it looks like a DeLorean back to future. And it just reminds me of this cheap ass car that. Seamus had. Well, you know, it's funny too, you talk about those, you know, Booker T just got the cyber truck.

And the Cybertruck, to me, has a DeLorean vibe to it with that stainless steel outside. And thankfully, he got it wrapped and it looks way better. But it looks much cooler than the actual DeLorean does. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I've seen some concepts of an electric DeLorean that they're trying to make where it looks pretty cool and pretty badass. But yeah, I mean, the car itself is not a great car. But to make that change is big. And there was a studio exec at the time where they're making the movies. His name is Sid Sheinberg.

and he actually had a lot of suggestions which you when you think about studio notes they're always horrible they like don't get the creativeness of it and they always right right right you know we want to make it commercial seth rogan has a great show out right now called the studio which makes me think of this like they want to make the kool-aid movie and things like that like yeah

But he had like several great ideas. Like he changed the character of Lorraine. He named her Lorraine. He said Lorraine sounds better. He changed Professor Brown to Doc Brown as opposed to a chimpanzee named Shimp. He said, you should make it a dog and call him Einstein. There are these really small things, but he had one note that was the worst note maybe in the history of studio executives. He said the title Back to the Future is a terrible title.

It's a horrible title. It makes no sense. I don't like it. He said the perfect name for this movie is Spaceman from Pluto. And that's what he wanted to name the movie. It was based off the comic.

sherman peabody's uh son has at the twin pines ranch it says space zombies from pluto right he was like we'll say space zombies from pluto and instead of him being darth vader from the planet vulcan he can be a spaceman from pluto and that will be the name of the movie that's really catchy and it has the vibes of a 50s b movie but it's great and they were like are you kidding me we can't name this movie spaceman from pluto and thankfully they didn't get that note in but eli roth

did a movie called the house with the clock and its walls yeah and with jack black and if you see there's a scene where there's a movie theater marquee and if you see playing on the theater it's spaceman from pluto which is an allusion to the terrible name that sid scheinberg came up it reminds me of the kevin smith um we did a spoken word show and he was talking about how originally he was tapped to do wild wild west uh starring starring will

smith oh yeah and john peter's demand that has a giant spider in it and he's like this makes no sense to have a giant spider it's a western i want a giant spider and he dropped out of the project and the movie came out it actually had a giant spider mechanical spider and it was just like

What? John Peters, what a run for him. But yeah, I mean, could have been a terrible name for a movie and killed it. So there's so many small things that change this movie's outcome. My calculations are correct. When this baby hits 88 miles per hour.

You're going to see some serious shit. Another one of the chapters in the book deals with all the deleted scenes. You guys go right into it. This book is amazing if you are a back to future aficionado nerd, if you will. guys talking about the benefits of deleting the scenes and there's so much good stuff because I have not seen the deleted scenes.

But as soon as I'm reading the things that got deleted, like the peanut brittle scene, it's like, oh yeah, George McFly loves peanut brittle. But there was a scene deleted that really explains the reason why he quote unquote loves peanut brittle. yeah i mean there's the scene where it shows the neighbor from down the street has his little girl scout who's trying to sell peanut brittle and he

He ends up strong arming George into buying the entire lot of it because George is a pushover. So they're really trying to hit you over the head with he's a pushover. And there's a scene in the movie.

where you see they're watching the honeymooners and he's just pouring this big box of prenup brittle into a bowl and marty's looking at it like oh my god this is my dad and it's because of the scene that we saw you know that we didn't get to see that was shot yeah he's eating it like he's just scarfing down on

but it's the peanut brittle exactly again there's so many of those and we only highlight a few of them in the book but there's another chapter where we talk about a deleted scene from back to the future part two where Biff, as the old man, comes back after stealing the DeLorean. In the movie, you just see him sitting there, and it looks like he's been through a hard time. I guess time travel takes it out on an old man. But in the deleted scene, he disappears.

And I thought, man, that would have been such a great scene to leave in the movie because it shows you something happened to Biff in the past. He went and altered it. and now he's disappeared like marty was disappearing in the first movie and they left it in the cut all all the way through the test screenings and then test audiences they said they were too confused by it so they took it out but for me i'm like wow this is a scene that shows you that

Even though we know he goes on to become the richest man in the world and marries Lorraine and all these things, still, it doesn't pay off for him. All the money in the world, something changes in his life where he dies earlier than expected. And I thought, man, that was such a scene that you...

I should have left in the movie, but who am I to say? But, you know, I just think about these things too hard, I guess. But you characterize it as a near fatal flaw to take it out. Yeah. Why? Because to me, when taking it out. It doesn't highlight, in my opinion, the seriousness of time travel. Right. Because we're just assuming Biff goes and he gives the almanac and now he's the richest man in the world. So, yeah, in 2015, he's going to still be the richest man in the world.

But if you leave that in and he disappears, we know that it doesn't pay off for him. Our heroes are going to figure it out. And actually, I asked, there's a guy named Stephen Clark. He runs backtothefuture.com. And I asked him, like. You know, what does Bob think about this scene? Why did they take it out? And again, they said it was because it was confusing. But Bob's explanation of why Biff disappears, Bob Gale, that is, is that Lorraine ends up shooting him in the 90s.

I don't know where he comes up with that, but that's his idea. Lorraine shot him in the 90s, and that's why we don't see him in 2015 in this alternate timeline. But there's just things like that just to me that as a fan. who probably spends way more time analyzing this movie than the normal person goes, oh, you could have let that in. It would have been great. But obviously, the Bob's know best, and the movies were great anyway, with or without these scenes.

I mean, you do raise a good point because that was kind of the big race against time in Back to the Future was Marty starts getting weak. as his picture gets thinner and thinner faded more and more we never see that again and especially in part two you know it would have been cool to see kind of a minor character fade away and disappear

Well, because it reinforces that time travel had real consequences. Right, right, right, right. More so than, and they try to do it in three, where the name of the ravine is different. It's not Shonash Ravine, it's Clayton Ravine. And then Clayton doesn't go. One Pine Mall.

Lone Pine Mall. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Like those things. And like they do it in small ways. But to me, that was like going to be a big exclamation point of, wow, this is how, you know, this we're reinforcing for people who may not remember because.

in the 80s it's not like you could go stream back to the future right before back to the future too you had to either go rent the tape or own it or what have you you know you couldn't maybe remember that oh wait what was the why was he disappearing i'm not sure and to me that was like kind of re

stating the consequences of time travel. You have another great chapter talking about the music, the power of love and music. And we mentioned it kind of in the Broadway play, how the music comes in. Talk about the music in Back to the Future and just... how perfect it is and, and, and, you know, just how, I don't know if there's another movie that has a theme song that is so intertwined with the movie. Like you hear the song, you think of the movie, you see the movie, you think of the song.

And especially the power of love, because Huey Lewis, again, I think this is kind of a theme of this conversation, is all these guys seem to be at the peak of their powers. Right, right. This is right after sports. He's like one of the biggest acts in the world.

They go to him and say, you know, we want to have you write a song for the movie. And he's thinking, I don't know what I'm going to really do. And when you think about it, Power of Love doesn't have anything to do with time. Nothing. Has nothing to do with the DeLorean. It doesn't really have anything to do with Marty.

Back in time, more so, obviously, but Power of Love is the big song for the movie. And for some reason, it just works. And it's also, and I agree with you, where it's so intertwined with the movie. But also Power of Love is a song that can, I hear it in commercials. They had a, in Deadpool and Wolverine, there's a hole in the montage where they're visiting the different Wolverines in different timelines. They're playing Power of Love.

during it you know it's also a song that is intertwined back to the future but has a life of its own and i would venture to say i mean maybe i'm wrong but it's it's got to be hughie lewis's biggest record I don't think there's a bigger song than Power of Love for Huey Lewis, in my opinion. He was the right guy at the right time, and it was the right song in the right movie. And it's, again, why everything just seems to click. So you have Zemeckis at the peak of his powers.

Michael J. Fox, Steven Spielberg, Christopher Lloyd, Huey Lewis, and they all came together to make it great. And then you have just classic 50s songs like Johnny B. Goode. Who doesn't know that song? who doesn't love earth angel right they're they're great songs to have in here and then obviously the music with alan silvestri

One of the best scorers of all time. He's up there to me with John Williams based just on this score alone, how recognizable it is to this day. But Power of Love, Huey Lewis, you couldn't have found any better than that. Because, again, this is the 80s where you're coming off Axle F, synth pop stuff, even Fletch.

has a kind of a synth thing. I think Fultemar, Harold Fultemar is the guy who did those. It would have been very easy just to have that in Back to the Future. This is the sound of the day. We're going to have this kind of synth pop music in here. It's the 80s.

But they didn't do that. They went with a classic orchestral score, and then they went and got a rock and roller to give them some great, great records for this movie. But Marty is a rocker. That's the thing. Marty's a rocker. And I would almost surmise, once again, I don't know. a quarter as much of back the future as you do, but I would almost surmise that Huey submitted back in time as the song and then went, we just wrote this other one.

It's pretty cool. Do you want to hear that one too? Yeah, sure. Back in time is great. But what about this one? But the power of love, like you said, it has nothing to do with it. It does. But it has everything to do with it. Because if you look at what Back to the Future is all about, it's about the power of love. Going back in time to- Making the parents fall in love with each other. and saving your best friend's life, you know, in Doc Brown.

You know, it's all intertwined. So it's one of those kind of happy accidents. I'd love to say that Huey was a prognosticator and went, no, no, no. This song really is about the overall theme of Back in the Future. I just think it was one of those things that just worked out perfectly. Yeah, it was a killer record. It was a killer record, and it fit in the movie. They put it in, and then, yeah, I think it's one of those happy accidents where people can draw the theme of it.

And they apply it to it as opposed to the other way around. Yeah, like Paul is dead. Well, here's all the clues. It's like, okay. Yeah, here's the clues. Sure, we'll take it. You start figuring the conspiracies. Yeah, and of course the classic moment that Huey actually is. uh the guy to tell marty that he doesn't make it to the talent show because he's just too damn loud he's just too damn loud man and it's a great cameo for him and it's and it also kicks off

They were going to, like I said, have a Huey Lewis holographic concert in the original version of Back to the Future Part 2 script. But then even when you go to Part 3, you have another rock and roll icon group, a band with D.D. Topps, Texas Royalty. they fit right into the old west and they had the record uh double back for for the soundtrack and um yeah they were great too it shows you that this franchise also could tap into the power of music man and sylvestri

has gone on to do so many great movies. I mean, he does all the Avengers films, and he was instrumental, no pun intended, with the creation of Back to the Future, the musical, and being a music supervisor on that whole production. So the music... is just as much because i can hear the back to the future theme and it just gets me gets me hyped man it gets me ready to go who's president of the united states in 1985 ronald reagan ronald reagan

the actor then who's vice president jerry lewis as we start to wind down this let's do one more uh quick uh musical note When Marty goes back to, well, actually there's a great scene.

That was deleted talking about when George McFly has been awake all night. Let's talk about that. I was going to ask you a question about that scene, but talk about the deleted scene first. so yeah in the deleted scene this is where marty shows up in george's house he's trying to convince lorraine to go back to go ask lorraine to the dance convince george to ask him yes and george is just too afraid he's too in his head so he goes and pretends to be because he knows george loves science fiction

He goes and pretends to be an alien, which I feel like is one of the most – no one talks about the fact that Marty pretends to be an alien in this movie. But he goes and sneaks into his house, wakes him up with the Van Halen music playing. has a hairdryer and a radiation suit and says he's Darth Vader from the planet Vulcan and he chloroforms George. He chloroforms him. And this is in the deleted scene. He actually chloroforms him now. It's an extended scene.

Or he chloroforms him and knocks him out. And that's why George oversleeps and doesn't make it to school. We thought it was just because he didn't get any sleep because he was afraid of this alien that came to visit him. But no, he was chloroformed by Marty. That checks out. Maybe Marty the video pirate.

But he also had a hairdryer, which we don't know the reason why, but he had packed one in his car earlier or something. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. And it's one of the fun things to when you like.

go through and you look at the scenes and you read through them and even discuss them just figuring out because like you know sometimes those deleted scenes they do help add a little bit more i think that cutting this scene down the way that they did for the movie and like kind of killing the chloroform from it good idea like overall one of the reasons they changed it from the refrigerator was because they didn't want a bunch of kids getting locked in a refrigerator trying to go back in time

I think cutting the chloroform is a good idea. You don't want kids asking their parents for chloroform for Christmas so they can knock their dad out. The question I was going to ask is, is that actually Eddie Van Halen playing? Because it's just loud screaming guitar. So that's actually Van Halen. It's Van Halen playing it. Yeah, they got him to do this specific piece of music just for the movie. And it worked.

You would think maybe they would have gotten the Van Halen record itself, but they had this piece of music. Look, going from 55 to 85, obviously music changes drastically. Because 55, you're just a year removed from the debut of Elvis, and rock and roll is still very country and blues heavy. Johnny B. Goode really starts to kick it off in everything that Chuck Berry's doing.

into making rock and roll a little bit more electric but going into 85 That's why it's the great joke there in the Enchantment Under the Sea dance where Marty rips this great guitar solo and does the Pete Townsend windmill and all the things and goes, your kids are going to love it. Because to them, to the 55 years, this sounds like alien music, which makes sense for Van Halen.

Well, Brad, once again, so much great stuff in here. And you mentioned earlier there will never be a Back to the Future 4. I mean, obviously, with Michael's condition, probably can't. But even if, let's say, Mike was in great health. Would you still think there would be no number four? I used to feel differently about this. I used to be one of those diehard fans who said, look, the trilogy is perfect. Don't touch it. Don't mess with it. Leave it alone.

I have changed my mind in recent years to where like, if they make a new back to the future television show, cause I talked to the guys from Cobra Kai and they say they have some great idea for a back to the future TV series. It's a perfect idea. They wouldn't tell me what it was.

I tried to get it out of them, but they thought it was great. And I asked Bob Gale. I said, hey, man, the guys from Cobra Kai have a great idea for Back to the Future. They want to pitch you. And he's like, no, I don't care. These are the movies. My mind has changed on it to where I'd be open to it because the thing about it is this. The Ghostbusters movie that came out, the one, the all-female cast, I think they call it Answer the Call. Ghostbusters Answer the Call. Yeah.

I was open to it when it came out. I was like, look, if it's great, it's great. If it sucks, it sucks. But if it sucks, I still have the original Ghostbusters film. I went and saw it with open mind. I thought it was kind of terrible. I didn't like that version of Ghostbusters, but it didn't.

depreciate my love for the original two right and then they end up making subsequent movies that i think that the uh afterlife was pretty good the the last one frozen empire not so much i didn't really love it but it still doesn't take away from the 84 classic Ghostbusters to me. So if they make a new Back to the Future movie, and I love it, that's more Back to the Future. But if they make a new Back to the Future movie and it sucks, it's not going to take away my love for the original three.

so i'm open to it but bob gail and bob zemeckis have both said over our dead bodies it's not going to ever happen they just think there's no there's no way you can improve on it it would be hard to improve on on that trilogy yeah and also i think that

If you knock it out right and you just hit it perfect, why return to the well too many times? I agree. Universal calls them probably every other week. Yeah. Hey, can we do another Back to the Future thing? Can we do another Back to the Future? But they just. standing by it that's my point kind of with the star wars you know disney owning it i mean some of it's great some of it's not so great but it just seems the concept of that delorean with just that right there is enough to be like

There is so much you could do with this. And obviously somewhere there's a Kevin Smith or a James Gunn or a Brad Gilmore or somebody that's written the perfect script. And I would think at some point. They will sell it to Disney if they haven't already. I mean, Universal Studios, I know, whatever. I think we're so committed to Doc and Marty that there is other people that could find this DeLorean in a flux capacitor.

and have some great stories from it i agree with you and i'd be open to it now i like represent the mic minority of the Back to the Future community who want it to remain as is, which is fine. I understand that. But I'm open to stories because I do think that it's completely endless.

It's completely endless of what you can do and where you can go. And I'm so interested to hear one day what the Cobra Kai guys think and how they could adapt it for television because they did a phenomenal job with the Karate Kid. They obviously have a great love for everything 1980s. So I'd love to see it.

And do, do the Bobs own it? Yeah. Gotcha. Gotcha. They have the, they have the rights to it. They have the rights to make the story again if they want to. And they're just, they're, they're unrelenting on it. And look, it's their decision, totally their decision. You know, maybe one day. You know, they said over their dead bodies. So, you know, unfortunately, one day that that comes for everybody.

Perhaps the family goes, hey, you know what? Didn't they just sell the James Bond franchise, the Broccoli's? They did. The Broccoli's, after 60 years plus, said, we're getting out of the Bond business. Y'all do with it what you want. Which again is like, look. Does that mean we're probably going to get a lot more James Bond content? Sure. We're going to get television shows. We're going to have a Moneypenny series, I'm sure. It'd probably be awesome. Yeah, it could be awesome. It could suck.

I'm open to it either way. You know, I'll watch it. And if I love it, it's more Bond or back to the future. Like I'm open to it. I'm not going to prejudge something. Felix Leiter, international playboy. I love that prestige television. A four-episode Netflix series. Last question for you, Brad. Is there a favorite scene from any of the movies for you that still stands out to this day for you? It's the silliest one.

but it does stand out to me it's right after marty wakes up in 55 and there's the hope chess scene with lorraine and then they go down and they're having dinner and they're saying no one has two television sets and marty gets up real quick and leaves And the grandfather, you know, his grandfather, Lorraine's dad, goes, he's an idiot. It comes from upbringing. His parents are probably idiots too.

And for some reason, every time I watch this scene, I cackle out loud because I think it's such a funny, funny piece of dialogue. But that's like a personal favorite. But obviously you could choose anything from any of the movies. In recent years, I find myself going to part three the most. I really love Back to the Future part three. And when I talked to Christopher Lloyd, he said that was his favorite.

was back to the future part three of all of them so there's something i don't know if it's because i'm from texas and we like westerns right like the rodeo but there's a lot of great scenes in three too My favorite is when they go to the cafe and Goldie Wilson's sweeping the floors and is like, what are you going to be, mayor? He's like, yeah, mayor. I'm going to be mayor. And then when they land in 19, you know, the mayor, Goldie Wilson says, but I was just like,

Like Marty gave him the idea to be the mayor of Hill Valley. Marty gives the idea for him to be the mayor. He invents rock and roll and skateboarding all within a week. I mean, come on. What more do you want? Marty McFly is the coolest character in cinematic history.

So, Brad, great talking to you, man. Look forward to whatever you have coming up next. You're always welcome on the show. Always a fun chat. And why we love Back to the Future is a great read. Appreciate that, Chris. Roads where we're going we don't need. Robes.