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And this time he's talking all about his brand new one man show called an evening with Bruce Dickinson and it kicks off this Monday, January 17th at the Parker Playhouse in Fort Lauderdale, Florida. He's doing 34 cities across the states, including Tampa Theater on January 20th. I will be there. Come see Bruce Iron Maiden.com as all the ticket information. And as you're about to hear, it's going to be a wild show filled with tons of stories.
And he's got a lot of funny Bruce's incredible life and career. He is a polymath as Bruce explains that means he knows everything about a lot of different subjects. He's going to be sharing some of the details, but what you can expect when you go see him live, we're going to talk about all sorts of stuff as well from the recording of Iron Maiden's new albums in Jutsu to Bruce's recent Achilles injury,
which I want fencing for the first time in talk is Jericho history Bruce still competes and you will hear why he won't stop at 63 years old. We're going to talk about the upcoming Iron Maiden tour and the plans that they have this year. We're also going to touch on Bruce's podcast, so it called psychos, skit so espresso.
He does it with Oxford University Psychologist Dr. Kevin Dutton. They talk about some really interesting subjects, exploral sorts of people and topics. We'll get into the whole meaning of the number 666, something they did a whole episode on. You can listen to psychos, get so espresso for free wherever you get your podcast, you can check out the video version on YouTube and you can check out Bruce Dickinson here at Hour with Bruce Dickinson right now on Talk is Jericho.
Here we go. This is the third time Bruce Dickinson joins us here on Talk is Jericho. I need to get you like a green jacket or something now. Yeah, yeah, so like, but I don't think we did it. Didn't we do it on Zoom before or did we just do it? We have never done it in Zoom. We did one in person, one in the studio and now the new way of connecting via Zoom over the last few years. It's crazy. Without this technology, this last year would have been a lot worse I have to say.
Yeah, we wouldn't have made a video for starters. Absolutely. Yeah, we did all the meetings for the video. Everything was all done over Zoom. We're like, like, 60 and little tiles of people. All chatting away. Don't talk at once, you know. Let's talk about that briefly. You talk about the video for writing on the wall, which is animated, but there's so many Easter eggs and so much detail and so much in there for a bit.
I'm assuming that you were kind of the captain behind this quarterback in the whole thing. Yeah, although I mean, I came up with the idea that we should do something big as a video. And then Rod said, well, yeah, I can't have a agree with that. So go away and think of something. I mean, oh, thanks. So I wrote the story. And then with the story we got Andrew and Mark on board who are the two producers from Pixar or X Pixar.
And then they found Blink who were the animation company in the UK. They actually did it. So so far so good. And then we were into six or seven months of making a video or an animated video. And of course, funnily enough, when we do this, this one man show thing that I'm doing right around the country. So one of my like dreams would have been to have a premier for the video in a, in an actual cinema with that big Dolby sound and the whole thing.
And of course, we couldn't because of the pandemic and all the rest of it. But I can have a little mini premier every night. So I'm carrying this like big HD copy, whatever it is of the of the vid with me. And I have a we specify really high quality HD projector and screen back projector and screen. And obviously most of these places have got pretty good sound systems. So we've got a sound effects version of riding on the wall with a full Dolby.
You know, so basically I just in the interval, there's about a 25 minute interval. So as I go off, I go, by the way, you might just want to sit around and look at this because you'll see things like guarantee that you haven't seen on the small screen. You know, it's so cinematic. It's amazing. Yeah. So we have a bit of fun with that.
It's great because you're talking about an evening with Bruce Dickinson, which is your, this is an extensive tour as well of the United States. Looks like you're doing 30 or 40 cities. I was just in the UK last month when you were doing some shows there as well. And it's funny to you looking at the at the pressure.
Did you know you're a polymath? Yeah, I know. I thought that was something you go down a coral reef or something. You know, something you stepped on on it. You put, you know, that's a mathematician. I didn't have any idea what it was. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The person it does a lot of things, but none of them well. But in this day and age, that's good enough. And it's exciting to see because I've done these type of shows before the one man shows.
And there are a lot of fun, but they're very hard. It's you have to really be locked in and concentrated to do these. Obviously, you enjoy them because you've had so many shows. What kind of spurred your idea to do this? And were you just kind of throwing darts at first? What the hell do I do and figured out as you go? Yeah, basically. I mean, when I did the the the autobiography, you know, what does this button do?
Well, in the spirit of what does this button do? What happens if I tried that? You know, and that was when I was doing promotion for the book, the publishing company said, what are you going around and just do some readings from the book? I went, oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, that's okay, but there's not a bit boring. People can read it for themselves.
And, you know, if I was like, you know, Syrian, McKellen or like, you know, the late Sir Richard Burton, you know, so that broadsword calling Danny Boy, you know. But it's not me, you know, I said it'd be more fun if I actually told the stories in the book, like as a storyteller, standing around, acting around, using a bit of physical, you know, presence, and maybe tell a few stories that are not in the book.
And maybe get some questions from the audience. And they went, oh, yeah, we like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, it's more interesting, isn't it? I mean, people just sit there like, you know, like mannequins for for how many two hours or you have them laughing and moving around and doing something. I said, why don't they write the questions out on cue cards? I said, and then I'll take them out the back. And I'll, I'll do something with them.
And they said, what are you going to do? I said, I'm not exactly sure, but I'll tell you in about 45 minutes. So what it was I did was I have a once or twice in my life, I did a bit of improv street theatre when I was 15, 16. And that switched on a bit in my brain. It's the same same bit of my brain that I use when I write songs. It's, you know, it's what you, you kind of create something out of seemingly thin air.
But it's not really thin air. It's two or three different aspects of something and you join them all together and create, you know, it's a sketch. It's something funny. It's whatever. Anyway, next part of it was, and I did that for just in the summer for a kind of like a summer vacation. We went to an old coal barge on canals and slept on the coal barge and then did street theatre in pubs and like youth centers and stuff like that when I was about 16.
Anyway, so there was that aspect of it and I was intrigued just to whether or not I could still do it. And there was something I saw a guy who's a very early LGBTQ whatever he was a gay man in the early mid to late 70s, right, called,
Michael Quentin Crisp and he wrote, yeah, the naked civil servant John hurt right there, the movie about him. So he was an early sort of like gay pioneer and he was quite outrageous for the day now. It has to be very tame. But, but back then, you know, wearing makeup and going to work with a big,
fancy hat was seen as being quite risque and outrageous, but he was very funny and he did a one man shows my girlfriend said you've got to go and see this somebody says it's really funny and I was like never heard of the guy who is it. It was brilliant. I was so entertained. It was witty. I never expected to be that entertained. And at the end he did this thing with the cue cards.
Well, we all got to write things on the on the cue cards and then he arranged them in such a way that it basically was like a script. And I went, that's really clever. And I remembered it for 30 years ago and I went, maybe I could have a go at that. I mean, it really was a what does this button do moment? It's like, let's see if I could do this without falling flat on my face.
And it kind of worked. And then from that kind of anarchic chaos, my speaking agent came up to me and he went mate, he said you've got a one man show here. I mean, no, really said no, you have. He said you've got a one man show. He said you need to organize it a bit and compress it a bit and try a few things out. And yeah.
That's what I did. I went out and and did shows and dribs and drabs and and kind of honed it down. I suppose it's what stand up comics do when they go and turn up in the middle of some bar in the middle of nowhere. And hope nobody's taping it and try all their, you know, failed or best or worse material, you know, and see if it works. So I did this and we we ended up at the format of about an hour and a half.
The first bit which starts at birth and is the story of how a fat spotty short kid from an island floating around in the middle of the Arctic where it range a lot in town you've never heard of. It becomes the wearer of the world's most ridiculous trousers and center of the biggest heavy metal band in the world. So how does that happen, you know, well, here's how it happens, you know, so it's a sideways look at it all.
Yes, some of it serious, but most of it's humorous. And I also cover some of the other stuff, you know, let's go barracuda fishing with a mercenary in Sierra Leone. Hey, how'd you do that? You know, how did you end up there? You know, there's stuff about family and I talk a lot about childhood and about how the things you do when you're a kid.
Keep coming back throughout your whole life, you recycle everything you do and you're it's never wasted. It always comes back. I mean, the John hurt, you know, the Quentin Christ thing being a case of point, you know, I didn't know I was going to use that 40 years later, 30, 40, how long ago it was, you know.
So those are the stories, obviously I deal with I can't deal with every single thing because that's like insanity and you need to keep it tight because you can't lose the audience. They need to know what you're talking about. But cancer is obviously a bit a part of it. Sure.
And it goes to the heart of what the show is about what I want to leave people leaving the theater with. I obviously want to laugh a lot. I want it to be entertained. And above all, I like them to leave feeling better than when they went in. You know, uplifted a little bit, you know, I've got some merch, some shirts and things that we've made up.
And on the back, we've often put the little quotes that I say sometimes during the show and my favorite quote, which is kind of how I would like them to leave the theater is life is better than all the other options. And that's it. I mean, that's that's that's it straightforward. So between what does this button do and life is better than all the other options.
You've got me actually you don't need to come see the show now. You know, you're done. Plus you've got you've got the title for your next book as well. That's perfect. Life is better than all the other options. Bruce, when you're putting together the stories that you tell, I know like I said for for the when I was doing the shows, I would it was almost like a set list.
I would try some different stories. The ones that got the best reactions. I would make a note and write them down and kind of say an anchor of these four or five stories always work. And then I'll add some other ones depending on what the crowd is doing. You have the same idea. Yeah, exactly the same. In actual fact, I I did actually spend a couple of days writing down just little notes of like story one, two, three, four, bum bum bum bum bum.
Just so I've got them. I know most of them, but sometimes I go off at a tangent and tell a story on stage that I hadn't told before and that my tour manager's going, you haven't told that one before I said, have I not really wow. I said, well, there's no time to put that one in. Something else is going to come out. But you get a feel for the audience and you know for you get this feeling that now is the time to introduce Nick out of the audience.
So and depending on you know who the audience is and everything else then yeah, you can do more or less of certain things, you know, so it's it is fluid. I really sincerely hope that nobody who comes to see the show twice goes away going, I was just the same as last night. Never is it never is you know and yeah, I just did nine shows in the in the UK, which is the first shows I've done for a while. So I was a bit nervous the first one was like, oh my god.
And believe it or not my the management like you know my maiden manager Rod small word and all the people none of them had ever seen one of these shows. So they all turned up to this old theater in Brighton on the South Coast. Lovely, lovely old theater Victorian theater about 1000 seats in it right. So it was all sold out. And I walked on on the okay that was amazing. That was great. I said, so we got the green light now.
Can I take this to America in Canada? You know, you know, it is quite rude in places. I mean, I'll be I'll be perfectly honest. You know, there's there's lots of is peppered with swear words and some very unsavory situations, which most of which are very funny as well. So it's kind of all rated or maybe maybe sort of like you know PG 16 if such a thing exists, you know.
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Do you find that's helped you as a frontman because you're great obviously on stage and talking to people and commanding giant crowds, smaller ones on your evening shows. Did the improv skills, did they come in handy throughout your career? Yeah, absolutely. Well, just just what I call general stage craft as it, as soon as you walk onto a stage, the rules change.
You know, you're not in the outside world anymore, you're on stage and the rules change that you got a relationship with an audience and they have expectations of you because you're on the stage because they paid money to see you and they expect you to do something or deliver something or say something or teach something or entertain them or juggle or whatever the hell it is.
But don't stand there and stare at your shoes and feel sorry for yourself because they will crucify you and audiences are wonderful but they can also be incredibly brutal. You know, I learned a bit of that, you know, when I was at school, I was in every school play that was going, you know, and I would have been, I now know I would have been a shocking actor, you know, because I, people who were really good at acting,
oh, just really good at being somebody else. And I'm only really good at being me. How did you deal with that when early on, like you said, especially before maiden became Iron Maiden, if you had a crowd that was a little bit difficult, how did you, what tricks did you use to make them like you more? I would insult them. Reverse psychology. I would insult them. Either that or try and make friends with them, but in a very odd way.
So I mean, I had one, one show, I was in a unit band at university and there was one, in the old days would have been called a disco, right? And except there was nobody there, it was like the Phantom disco and there was like Mirables and lights and there was us on stage and there was nobody, nobody there. But we were getting paid like 50 bucks to go and play. So then the door opened and one person walked in, looked a bit shocked, that there was somebody answering on stage.
And so he got a chair and he put it and right in the middle of the dance floor sat down on this chair. And I thought, this is great. And so I got off the stage and I went up to him and with the microphone, I said, excuse me, so I said, I got a note, I said, what's your name? And he was like, oh, I'm so, so I said, can I buy you a beer? You know, I said, because we're about to do this performance just for you. The least I can do is buy you a beer. You know, you may hate it, you know what I mean?
And then we kind of relaxed and we had this, we actually had a relationship. We had an audience of one who didn't know who we were from Adam. But I see we had a great time, you know, nobody cared, nobody knew, but we had a great time. And I think you have to take that, that there's always a way in to a bad situation. Always a way into a bad situation.
You just have to think laterally outside the box, a pet peeve of mine is when a band goes on in what is obviously a toilet with two beer crates at one end of the stage. And they go on there and they pretend that they're in Madison Square Gardens. And it's like, hello, Cleveland, you know, and I'm just like, no, it's not Cleveland. You're in a toilet with two beer crates.
If you just said to people, hey, we're all in a toilet with two beer crates, everybody would go, these guys are great. I love these guys. But instead they go, yeah, just a bunch of poses, you know. So you've got to be real with it. Now, obviously when you want stage 9, I mean, you've got the lights, you've got everything, you've got the bigs, or like the beginning and, you know, intro tapes and stuff. But that makes it even worse if you go out and goof up.
And what I've discovered, well, my pet theory of clubs versus theatres versus arenas versus stadiums, right? Is that the one thing where you have to be almost not perfect is not in a club where people are right in front of your face. Because then there's all these other triggers and stimuli going on to distract their attention away from the fact that you're out of tune. And they don't care you're out of tune because you're sweating and they're right next door to you. And that's it.
And then in a stadium, you know, they paid a hundred bucks to come and see you and there's a big build up and you walk out and you do exactly the same performance. They go, wow, they suck. Wow, they sound like a terrible bar band. But if you did that same thing as the same band in a bar, they go, wow, that was great. That was legendary. So it's audiences change their, they change their perspective according to where you are and what their expectation is, you know.
So how do you do that Bruce? I mean, obviously being a stadium band in a lot of ways with a giant crowd, but you move a lot. You're always moving and jumping. You still do the big Bruce, Bruce jump in the air as a singer and as a frontman, what people don't understand is it is hard. It's one or the other. You can stand still and really get your, your gig right or you got to entertain 60,000 people. How do you combine the two? It's always a compromise.
Because as you say, I mean, if I was going to do everything, then I would just have a little plexiglass box and I'd be wearing cans and everything would be perfect. And in actual fact, you know, you could have been like a bird in the cage and just put a black drape over the top of me. Why even bothers to see me just have a cardboard cutouts down there, you know.
So it's the difference between being and trying to do things perfectly and trying to animate the song and tell the story of the song, not just through your voice, but through your body. And great singers do tell the story with their body language. Even people you don't associate with it, but look at all those great singers in Vegas and Stakruk, Sinatra and all those people. They're not leaping around on the stage, but their body is telling the story as they're doing it.
So it's important. It's a part of it. Body language is so important. Now we have a really theatrical show between the props and all the rest of it. Then it is quite a workout for me. And so I'm not getting any younger. I discovered this other week. That's part of my polymath. I figured out that I am not getting any younger. And you know, I had a medical and they told me I went, shh, is that what it is?
Yeah, so on the last tour, I bust my Achilles tendon three months before the tour. Total rupture. It had stitched back together. 36,000 breaks stitched back together. And I was hobbling around in a book. I finished the album. It was the book of Souls album. Was it St. Jutsu, wasn't it? Oh no, shit, it was St. Jutsu. That's how long it goes. It was St. Jutsu. So I was in a boot for the last couple of... Oh yeah, sorry, book of Souls. Yeah, that was cancer. Get your ailments right, Bruce. Come on.
So I'm hobbling around in this boot, you know, on my ankle and calf swollen up. Because it was only like three days after the operation. So I'm like, okay, I'm just going to have a light down with my foot in the air. Let the fluid drain. And then I'll just be back to the third verse. And then I thought, how the hell am I going to rehab this Achilles before the tour starts at the end of August?
Because I bust it at the end of April, May, June, July, four months, four months for a total rupture of Achilles. And I thought I can't even walk, let alone run, let alone jump. So, yeah, I just, I faked it. You know, how do you fake it? Well, basically, I figured out that there were some things I just couldn't do, like running was one of them. Because there was no strength in the calf at all. And it was going to break or anything else like that. But there was not there.
So I thought, if I want to move around kind of dramatically from one side of the stage to the other, I've basically got to turn myself into a crab and just use hips and thighs. So by not involving your calves hardly at all, or maybe only the right one. So you go upstairs one, one foot at a time. So they couldn't see that. The audience couldn't see that. Then I had a 30 pound, 30 pound flamethrower on my back and a cape carrying a cross.
I'm walking upstairs, basically on one lane with no safety barrier. You know, I'm thinking this is kind of cool. You know, I do like a risk every now and again. And I couldn't jump off the monitors. I mean, literally, I could not run. And so, yeah, I got through the tool. I know we're figuring out everybody went, running around like crazy is doing this. I was like, actually, you feel like you knew.
So I got to the end of the tool and then went back training and it's been two and a half years now. And I mean, I'm still rehabbing it. It takes for it just. So you want to be a marketer. It's easy. You just have to score a ton of leads and figure out a way to turn them all into customers. Plus manage a dozen channels, write a million blogs and launch a hundred campaigns all at once. When that's done, simply make your socials go viral and bring in record profits. No sweat.
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We were doing the rehab for the hip. My physio, I was working for three days a week during the lockdown with them because it was allowed because it was medical and it was in the hospital of the gym. And so he said, look, you know, we got we can do this for, you know, we've got a good six months here that we can do this. He said, yeah, how far do you want to take it?
Because if we could do upper body as well, we could really do some cool stuff. And yeah, well, let's see what we can squat, you know. So we were doing 40 reps of, you know, 100 kilos, which my body weight 70. Yeah. So that's not bad, you know, for 63 year old guy. So we were we were really going for it. And doing lots of explosive stuff. We got a strength and conditioning guy in who was into like actually he was the British Sabre team strength and conditioning coach.
And he was getting his full physio, you know, bachelor of science degree. So we had to do a year's intern at the hospital. So my physio, who was the main teacher said, I got this guy. And we're going to do all the plyometric stuff that jumping on an off boxes, the boom boom explosive stuff. And we actually set up a fake wedge monitor. And the guy said it goes, he goes, I've seen what you do. He said, let's see if we can work up to that.
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It's interesting you mentioned fencing so I was going to ask you about that when you right because you've been doing this I don't know probably your whole life at least from the 80s for sure since I was 14 since you were 14 so do you when you have competitions are is it based on age is it based on skill level how does it work for you now at 63 first of all there are open competitions in which you know basically you turn up and you might end up with like fencing the national champion is you know 25 year old you know one one the pants and
you know is going to kick your ass he thinks you will probably go down but let's go down fighting you know so you know so the score is respectable you know but obviously there are other competitions that are you know depending on your level where you go in at but there are also
age group competitions now for old age pensioners like me so basically once you get to 40 you're then classified as being of a vet right you know so the age groups are 40 to 50 50 to 60 60 to 70 and 70 and above wow okay so we have
different competitions where it's just all in so there's the age groups are all just mixed together so you could be I'm 63 I'll be fencing a 40 year old in which case I just don't care because I'm just going to beat his ass you know because I you know that that's you know you have ones like tomorrow where actually there's a separate category for each age group because when the will be because as far as world championships and European championships are concerned tomorrow's a
selection event so the top of each age group the guy who wins it basically best two out of three results of the three qualified qualifiers is going to qualify automatically but because of
COVID they they reserve the right who else they're going to take because it's just such a weird season with with everything and there's a team event as well so team is three plus a reserve so basically I'm I'm I'm fencing yeah I'm fencing to Saturday and Sunday tomorrow in the in the 60 to 70 crumbly division and the idea is you want to stab the guy in in the heart right with with your fence with your
service I'll just take us stab him anywhere I don't care you know I'm not picky but you get a point yeah the app a which is a there are three types of weapon in fencing sport fencing one is the the other one is the foil and the other one is the saber the saber self explanatory everything of them everything above the waist counts with the age the foil it's only the point and basically the torso so no
arms no legs just the torso the idea is you only scroll point if you hit the torso if you hit anything else it stops the fight for about 10 seconds and then you resume so the app is the easiest one to understand of all because you hit anything anywhere anytime it scores you can have his points and if you both hit each other at the same time you both score and then is there you have to get to a certain
number for the points or is it a time limit both so you have because we're old and crumbly we we only fence for two three minute rounds gadgets so for in what we call the direct elimination phase but typically competition will be one or two rounds of pools so you'll have five or six people to fence for five point first to five points or with a three minute time limit and then you'll do another round of that same thing and then they'll
see it and then you'll go into a direct elimination and that's to ten points and you get two three minute rounds to do that with a minute break and then if you get through a 64 32 16 8 4 2 1 if you get all the way through you'll figure out that you've actually done an awful lot of fighting you've done you know you know how many three minute rounds have you done during that day quite a
lot so you start it typically eight in the morning and you'll be done if you win it by six or seven in the evening with some fencing information fencing lessons from Bruce Dickinson here and you mentioned earlier Bruce that we're going back to the evening with Bruce Dickinson your show the one that show that you were nervous when you first were going back on stage because this is the first time you've been back on stage since the lockdown
with Aaron Maiden and now you're on your own how was it for you being nervous again you get nervous before you go on stage or was this just it's been such a long time well I get nervous I get nervous when before I go on stage with Aaron Maiden as well especially the beginning of a tour you know once you want you to feel like five or six seven shows into the tour you kind of back into the routine right so you kind of know what's
going to happen but the big fear especially for a singer is that you walk on stage and open your mouth and garbage comes out you know or nothing at all or like so and that's irrational but it's valid so just own up to it so I mean I keep a copy of the lyric sheet backstage I never look at it but if I knew it wasn't there I'd freak out and then after then and once then then then every tour then once once I get to you know like six or seven shows in the training wheels come
off and I you know just go I go live in the wardrobe case but the one man shows a bit different because it's just you you know and if you stop it all stops you know as if I forget the words the band carries on you know that's right if I if I go like that you know where was I you know and there's no there's no kind of like auto q or tell it prompt or whatever you want to call it because of course none of the stories are actually you know written
down it's not a script you know it's it's stories so when you mention that you get questions from the audience and you assemble them like like sequent and crisp did how do you mean you're assembling them are you
just putting them together in a way that's going to flow properly are you just kind of guessing which ones will work well a bit a bit of everything really so I look for you know really interesting interesting questions somebody's got a really good question then I start to look for different areas of
questioning so there might be six or seven questions all about the same topic that in itself is quite funny because they all write it in the same way so some people might have a you know I mean there might be a particular iron maiden song that people are really incensed that we've never played you know until there's like about ten questions like you know you know why is it you have never played Alexander the
great is it because you do not like Greek people why why when you play Alexander the great I will send you a month supplier fetiches you know what it you know I mean so I mean it's those kind of questions you put those back to back and all of a sudden everybody's cracking up going you know this is funny and then you get just mad crazy ones and then you get ones that people are concerned for your health
and well-being you know I normally have to do is juxtaposed that with the guy that goes are you afraid of death you know so you know how are you at the moment and what's your favorite thing what did you have for breakfast
are you afraid of death and and you you know you can see how people don't know what the next question is going to be when they write their question so you can look at it all and go I think that and that and that back to back with a little comic timing could be funny and I try to put those bits in
and then you have some serious questions so you go okay I'm gonna I'm gonna go big on this one I'm gonna go big on this one and this one so you can go into kind of unexpected depth so people go ooh ooh this is interesting ooh yeah you know and I never know exactly you know it depends
on mood I mean as well and you know like so for example talking about singing singing techniques singing different singing voices different influences things like that you know I have been known to burst into song you know I've seen
yeah so yeah so you go you know but it's never guaranteed and it's hopefully never the same yeah you sing different bits of songs depending on what's coming out depending on what the question is and what the story is and things like that and also what the vibe is of the audience what the
deal is of the audience because it's actually a lovely way to end the show is there a question that you've got over the last you know few months that stood out as the funniest question or the most ridiculous question oh there's quite a few but the one I the one I was remember to tell is one of the ones of the early days when his kid wrote a cute car when do you remember meeting my mum in a hotel in Budapest in 1983 by the way you're not my father I checked
did you remember his mum no absolutely not no I thought I thought you know I I 1983 in Budapest let me just think hang on let me let me go notches on the bedpost no not that day no no no Bruce you mentioned a few times about your cancer and what I wanted to ask you because when you were on last
time actually when we talked about book of souls what it was coming out you mentioned how singing live was going to be a bit of a challenge and you had had to keep your voice lubricated because you saliva glans head
and come back yet yeah how was recording the album send Jutsu was there differences did you feel back completely where you were yet to adjust certain things no it's weird and you know I wouldn't say I was back where I was because some bits of it's a better than they were you know so it's
changed slightly but obviously not that much because people go oh it's him he's back you know this identifiable you know guilty as charged it so the other thing about it is is that Steve has been using my voice in interesting and innovative ways so it's really started to
to use the different tones that are having my voice and start layering things and creating the atmospheres and stuff I mean you know I mean the opening track is is you know real evidence of that you know because we we start off with this it's it's kind of like double track and harmonized
a whole vocal is a harmony and then you go to this part which starts right down in the low register no well it feels and the real things to hold us now and it builds and builds and builds and then you get the no notes to the only batskin here bits you know hear me calling
that's right now me way you know I don't think in match me flavor I mean I and I when we did that track I was just like you know this is great you know this we really have moved on from those early early four classic albums of ours we've really grown into using everything
we've got you know not not not limiting ourselves to the tram lines as it were you know well it's such lengthy tunes as well that's one thing I loved about the record is you can't just listen to it once or twice it's funny because when when the maiden camps sent me the record is
kind of an advanced copy which was great it disappeared after two listens it was like mission impossible like if you choose to accept this mission it went away and I actually said to Todd can I get it because you can't listen to this thing two or three times this is a ten listen album here
there's a lot to it I didn't even realize they did that that was it did yeah classic rod small would right that's funny okay yeah yeah well I mean I I had to move having an earth to listen to it myself because I mean I wanted to hear writing on the wall because
I was obviously writing the story to it and even though you know I wrote the words you know you know wrote the melody and everything I was just like look I mean any chance you could just send me a really shitty copy of it because much as I think I remember
exactly about it there's a guitar solo and everything else and everything else and you know stuff needs to I need to know how long that is and what it feels like because I'm scripting a story to go with it and I need the action to fit the music you know right and they
were like oh if you must and they sent it to me as a sound file that sounded like a that had a title that was some like fake Beatles song or something you know you know you know a secret right yeah yeah yeah love love me yeah yeah yeah or something you know you know
you know not but so but so when you guys do start playing songs from Jetsu yeah it's almost like starting from scratch because you recorded this record like you said two three years ago are you going to have to relearn all these parts because these are some
long long pieces here so so the plan we've got I mean it's it's not really secret I think everybody else has has chatted about it we will I hope we've talked about doing the entire album start to finish I figured not not this time around and we all appreciate that
is something that you know really die hard fans would probably love and other people will go I'm not going to go see that so the answer is you play smaller venues so that they sell out with your just your die hard fans because it's kind of a it's a musical thing to do
it's a musical thing it's not you know you know but the legacy of the beast of people have all paid their money to see legacy of the beast show with spitfires and flamethrowers and you know everything that goes with so they're going to get all of that but the first first
three tracks are probably going to be the first three tracks on the album writing on the wall they already know yeah you know so they should everybody should know the first three tracks and I just think send Jetsu is just such a great opening song it is so dramatic you know and then once
you've done that and we'll have a stage set to go with it once you've done that you can tune you back to the kind of legacy world at that point but I think writing on the wall is going to go I mean that's going to be a great song to I mean crowd sing along song you can imagine that
you know be fantastic it's going to be like a fear of the dark where it gets a whole new life as this live chant along the single yeah but I have to digress here Bruce I saw you guys do life and death in its entirety back in 2005 or six whenever it was yeah yeah yeah I think that
maiden fans sure they'll be the well we want to hear number the beast run to the hills you know running free guys but I think maiden people understand that we want to hear the whole record it's entirety because only iron maiden would have the balls and the audacity to do that and that's
kind of what makes iron maiden such a great unique band but it's such a great record as well I mean you know you know you just got to do it and you might get a bit of come but nobody has to buy ticket you know if you don't want to go do it just you don't buy a ticket is it's it's going to be
playing as the nose on your face you know this is going to be what they're going to do so given that don't complain that they did what they said they were going to do you know but anyway never mind I still think that you'll be playing stadiums with that in mind I don't think you'll be playing
smaller venues in my opinion I'm making a prediction right now right you're going to think about this a year and a half two years down the line but we'll see we'll see we'll see I mean all I'm thinking about is getting out rehearsing in in April singing these three new songs and getting
them all you know all well done and then the rest of the set running through getting ourselves all match fit and and off we go Mark May 22 I think it's the first show as we start to whine down your Brewster's I was listening to your podcast as well because you are a polymath
like we said psychos kids so espresso yeah espresso yeah yeah which I love the concept of because it's a very boosting to do this is not talking about you know Iron Maiden stories you touch on it as well but it's much more ethereal so it's about psychology and human behavior exactly and
you had a great first episode where you talked about how heavy metal and the devil's roll yeah in in this music and of course talking in depth about one of your most famous choruses 666 what an interesting podcast that is and anybody that's listening to this show
should go listen to it but kind of explain a little bit about that and about how the relationship between the two yeah so um Dr Kevin Dotton is a psychologist at Oxford University and he's has a few interesting specialties so he is one of the few people who is allowed by the
FBI to turn up to any federal prison and take out the craziest people in there and sit down in a room and interview them really yeah because he's the forensics psychologist for our lock up crazy people jail called broadmore where the only the craziest people are sent
and he's he's the dude he works there sometimes he's also the selection psychologist for the special forces and he's also a sports psychologist it does the Olympic rowing team amongst some Olympic growers and people like that he's a world expert on psychopaths and as
written several books and a few articles in scientific American on how psychopaths have got a bit of a bad name and not everything about being a psychopath is necessarily bad you know anyway we ended up having a chat once over over lunch somewhere we ended up meeting
through a mutual friend and him and his wife were there she's also a psychologist at Oxford University and we were chatting away and she goes you know I should have just recorded that you two were podcast so we sat down I mean maybe we should you know we just do it for free and
we'll make it free what can we talk about and so last week we had a guy who's an expert on on groups and group think and the thing was like is the mafia really a bad thing this is one of the next week we've got guy called Andy McNabb which is not his real name
but he's a worldwide best selling author of books about the special forces and novels because he was in the special forces he was in the SAS and did do the real things that the SAS actually do and got up to so we're talking to him we've laughed at that we've got a leading
now just retired but the leading heart surgeon who is one of the world's top heart surgeons and is a diagnosed psychopath so you know these people we've got the guy who's a world expert on pain talking about pain how useful is it how is manufacturing the brain what things
we can use it for how we enjoy it in some cases how it makes us perform better in some cases and how our attitude to it is kind of ambivalent you know because we're afraid of pain but at the same time it spurs us on in some respects as well and we also feel guilty about treating pain given that most of us as he put it as guys said given that most of us will die in pain most of us will die in pain that's a comforting thought isn't it?
It is like yeah I said but we have the attitude that somehow it's wrong to remove pain we feel guilty about it like it's good for us in some way he said is it part of the human psyche so we've got him got Wilco Johnson used to move Dr. Phil Good talking about mortality
because he was told he was going to die had six months to live and he nearly did die but not for the reasons they told him and so we got him chatting about mortality and it goes on and on we've got some boxes coming up sports people we need a few more women on here I should say
no no no we really I mean I'm not I'm not saying that you know at the moment it's a lot of academics sports people few rock and roll people but no we're definitely on the hunt for a lot more women I mean we've got a boxing promoter who Frank Warren who is transgender so we can imagine
one of the biggest boxing promoters like imagine you in the USA we're like go imagine like you know WrestleMania one of your biggest promoters suddenly turns up wearing a dress and goes my name is Dorothy you know I mean interesting yeah so the dynamic you know so and he's a funny guy you know so
we're going to try and talk to talk to him about about I want to think about identity and what people you know people's reactions to other human beings you know but touch touch on briefly what you guys discussed about the meeting behind 666 and the devil's involvement in heavy metal yeah yeah I mean there's obviously a lot to it but kind of explain a little bit because some of the highlights of what you found out in kind of
delving into this subject a lot of it has to do with the history of apocalypse is because the book of revelations to St John the divine is not the only apocalyptic story in the history of religions or cults or whatever there's loads of them they go back and back and back
and interestingly also bound up in that is the identity of the devil because in early Judaism for example there is no devil devil's only really start to become prevalent after Christianity kind of invents them as the way to scare people and then Judas Judas himself goes yeah devil
yeah I think let's make this guy a little bit more bad you know so it's interesting the way different religions treat the idea of the concept of evil or not evil or the personality of an actual embodiment of evil as opposed to the embodiment of a person who just likes playing tricks on you
literally a trickster which would be the closest approximation to the call early you know Judea version of what turned into a more devilish figure but you know satan with you know the fires of hell and the big combat finally of Armageddon and everything all coming together what's in John the divine was doing because it is like you've got to look at where I'm paraphrasing Steve Freason professor Steve Freason right you've got to look at where he was when he wrote what he wrote
and what language he wrote it into he wrote it in very bad Greek because he was he was not Greek but he wrote it in Greek why because all the places he was visiting locally all spoke Greek so some of what he wrote could be is a bit weird in the translation because it wasn't strictly
grammatically correct turns out that in Greek numbers as we would associate them don't really exist in the same way they're written down as a number so 600 isn't 666 it's 666 okay gotcha now that number it turns out also has some significance if you look between the lines at what Sir John is saying he's sending basically coded messages through the equivalent of the internet back then so these would have been understood by kind of like rebellious groups
what's he talking about with 666 what that means let me see and kind of what is now called numerology I forget the name of it back then I used to know it but I've gotten it my brains gone turned into a wash basin but what it's now called numerology the idea that numbers have an actual significance
and you can have a name and reduce it to a series of numbers by a fourth it's geometry that's right geometry so so geometry so so by reducing your name in certain ways so each letter in the alphabet would be given a is 1 b is 2 c and you write your name
you add up all the letters and you add until you get one number okay well it turns out that 666 or 616 depending upon whether you write in Latin or Greek right both correspond both correspond to neuro Caesar and what he's saying is who is the Antichrist who is you know there's going to be the coming conflict and this will all be swept away by the forces and the Archangels of good who is the Antichrist it's the Roman Empire dude who is that neuro Caesar Caesar was the local commander
Nero was actually dead for about 30 years but bit like Elvis there was a cult of Nero of people who believed that he didn't die and that he was going to come back and restore the glory of Rome so this is him taking a pop at the Roman Empire
unbelievable and this is just a snippet of what you guys said episode one you know episode one right last question for you Bruce very excited to come see the show in Tampa it's at a beautiful theater where the the stage actually opens up and this old lady comes up from the from the basement playing piano right pipe organ she's she's satan right that comes out yeah I think so that's right and we're going to we're going to have you drop down from the rafters and that's the start of the show
it's is you don't have to tell in complete detail but just to give people a taste is there a favorite story of yours that you like to tell at the show or one of them that you like to tell that kind of gives an idea of what you're going to be
doing but everybody thinks that I was the first you know obviously knew I was that you know people probably by now figured out that I was a pilot and I had a career as an airline pilot for 17 years and various other bits and bobs but oh my goodness me look at that look at my telephone look at that
it's a real phone that is actual phone yeah good ease the ease that's a home line who has a home line Bruce now he's not a home line that's a mobile phone that's a mobile phone look at that Jesus you're buying that at Boots Drugstore yeah yeah well everybody thinks I'm a drug dealer because I carry one of those you know I mean I carry one of these and I just tell them no it's actually it's not a phone it's from 2001 a space obviously you know anyway what's
sorry what was the question are you talking about what we're going to tell so yeah yeah so so so I really think I was you know knows about the pilot thing right the plan and as I explain in the show I was actually not the first the first pilot in Iron Maiden really Nick Hammock Brain was responsible for initiating me into the joys of flight and I'll tell that story that's a cliffhanger all right Bruce you're one of my favorite guests to have and I'm looking forward to
seeing you show like I said and I'm glad to to know an actual polyman I just stepped on one the other day I've got a little bit of a bump on my shoulder can you take care of that yeah that's a new you that's it yeah thank you so much man good luck on the tour we'll see you in a few weeks cheers man I guess we're trying to figure out a turn this off we're like two two kids in high school neither you hang up no you hang up there you hang up please