30 Years of GnR with Duff McKagan

Talk Is Jericho Baby Talk Is Jericho Alright, welcome to Talk Is Jericho. It's the pot of thunder and rock and roll and today doing his first in-depth long form interviews since the Guns and Roses reunion tour started in 2016. The talk is Jericho. GnR on a press gag order since the reunion started. They've done no interviews. They've spoken to nobody. They've explained nothing to anybody. But Duff decided he wanted to come hang out with me on Talk Is Jericho.

We have so much fun whenever we do the show and we're talking about the reunion. What the rehearsals were like before the tour got started, how the shows have been going. And as you know, this year is the 30th anniversary of the classic appetite for destruction album. So we're talking about the making of that record, where some of the song ideas came from the riffs. Duff sharing some cool info about what it expired, the guitar and bass looks even lyrics.

Duff's also talking about the early Guns and Roses tour, how they ended up on the road with the cult. We did this interview exactly 30 years after I first saw Guns and Roses in 1987 in Winnipeg, opening for the cult when Duff was still walking through the crowd, trying to scam change from people to make some money. How the crowds literally blew up after sweet child of mine was released a few months after that.

Duff's got great stories about producer Mike Klingk, how he started working with Guns and Roses because nobody else would. And if you're wondering about Duff's chemistry with the original drummer Steven Adler, and how they locked in as a tight rhythm section, Duff's gonna tell you about that as well. He's also gonna tell you what he and Izzy did to Steven and his drum kit in those early days.

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Talk is Jericho. I want to say I have to turn this power strip on. Sorry. I just spent my own room and then I apologize to you. So we're in Canada. You were noticing that everybody says sorry all the time, right? Yeah, I think they just do. It's a cute psych. It's a reaction. It's just like an instinct. Sorry. Sorry. It's like in America. We might say like okay. Yeah, you know, you know, you noticed you say it. Okay. Totally.

Totally. So we were hanging out last night here. And it's super funny because I have a show in town, like a spoken word show and super coincidental that Guns and Roses is playing the night before. And even more coincidental that we're staying in the same hotel on the same floor.

Is it coincidental? That's not thinking. That's like a death is going to think that I was like following you guys or something, but the guy who set me up here. I was like, I got you. I got you on the same floor as Guns and Roses. Are you kidding me? This is great.

Yeah, we're literally down the road. Yeah, this would be my floor. Yeah. And I think you guys have this is literally your floor. So like, do the guys are on other floors of this place? I didn't. But we do get like kind of the same rooms. So it'll be three floors and row. We'll be one on top of each other. We can say this because by the time this air is we're not here anymore. So we're in room 923. That's the room that Duff was in. So slot 19. Sorry 19. So slash should be 18 whatever.

But we were hanging out last night in the lounge and we were talking about the 19th floor lounge of the Fairmont hotel in Winnipeg. We're given all the information because at this point in time, which I call the fancy tin sweets. Any place we stay is a fancy tin. And I'm so stupid that when you said you're staying at the fancy tin sweets, I googled fancy tin sweets.

There's no such thing. Where is it? No such place. The fancy pants sweet. We were here last night and you're your is either your bodyguard, your your assistant. He has a security security, right? Which obviously, you know, you got to have being in Guns and Roses with your own floor. But he was freaking out that I saw you guys. So, yeah, so to doubt is my security guy. And we we just we roll together. Every place.

I go. I go to the gym with them. I go, we've just become really kind of close because of it. It's a good thing we kind of pair up. Okay. He's very quiet. I can be quiet, but I'm really not so quiet. You're not going. I'm out going. He's not, but he's really funny. And the the islanders, the Polynesians, they have a really.

I don't want to generalize them all, but but they're kind of have this this really easy island gate. You know, this whole style. But Chris Jericho walks in the the 19 floor lounge last night 11 30, whatever it was. And to now who I've never seen kind of freak out. And he I'm freaking out again is very lucky. I only knew he was freaking out because I know him so well.

But he freaked out because Chris Jericho walked in. He was like, I could tell you. He's like, oh, oh, because yeah, like you say he didn't really say anything. And we took a picture. He said he's like, I was with the legendary Christian legendary, right? But he was like super excited, which is he actually would hashtag tour perks. Like one of the perks of your tours. You get to me. That's great. You know, yeah, so like to now if he gets excited, I can tell by one because one eyebrow moves. Whoa.

That's like you were me doing like jumping. Yeah, I was just like, so did you just meet him recently or is even with you for for you for a few years since. I thought your stadium so for here, you know, so did just curious out of curiosity. They say like this is going to be your guy or do you like did you do like a audition to find a guy or. Yeah, I mean talking about talking about security details and stuff right because every.

You know, you'll go and see you being a group like slip knot you'll be at the hotel and you'll see their guys. Yeah, I've gotten no different security details and sometimes they cross over to other bands. Of course. So you see the guys and like you I wonder how they got those guys right right and in our case. So chemo. There's a there's a guy that slashes guy right and he's been with other bands throughout the years.

And in the case of my guy to doubt chemo into the hour cousins. Okay. So I had a guy before this Tim med bets. Who's my my bro. He's he was also had a security for the hells angels for eight years. So he was out with me. I've climbed mountains with Tim like literally. Yeah, he's done ever three times in the seven highest in the world.

And he has this foundation where he takes like less and armless bets up the highest. Really? Yeah. And he's just a wonderful dude and he's a badass. And he's my bro. And he writes Harleys and et cetera, et cetera. So he was my guy for the first seven months of this tour six months. But he has an injury. You got a bad motorcycle accident a bunch of years ago. And he finally had to get his like surgery or whatever.

Well, he had to get an he's got like a metal up and down the spine. Got you. There was a show called Everest on Discovery. And if anybody's seen that he was biker Tim on that. And and yeah, he got a really bad accident. And they said he'd never walk again and above the body climb Everest. So he's a fantastic guy. But he had to finally get that surgery on his ankle. There wasn't sure if he's going to they're going to save his foot.

Mm hmm. So he had to take the time off. So to the out came in. And you end up hanging with these. Well, yes. And so that's why I brought Tim because we climb mountains. So we hang alone in solitude in the you know, right. And we get along well. So to now coming out of second world. That's that's a big part of it. Can we hang because you eat dinner together every night.

You travel together. You do everything together. And to that was so cool. He's so mellow. You know, and then he'll come out of his room. He's got a little speaker. He's got like the newest pop. Yeah, Taylor Swift and Katy Perry and paper and stuff. And that's our walkin' music down the hall. He's the elevator. You know, he's playing it as you guys are watching.

So our walkin' music. And this thing like like you know, and we were joking and stuff like that. And obviously you and I are bros and you're super humble and super cool. But to get to the level when you need security and obviously guns and roses. This is a huge stadium tour. So what exactly is he doing? Is he just kind of he's either guy that kind of lead you for me to be your day to day. Is there a doubt there's fans trying to like a costume where he has to go like get out of here.

Okay, so let's see there is that is that okay North America's you got it's more e-bayers e- oh you know isn't that brutal it's brutal and I'm sure you do with it all the time. These people show up at the airport and I'm like how did you know what flight I'm on they know what flight you're on like if I had to fight if I had to pick you up from the airport and say my friend duffs on a flight with flight easy on they would say sorry so we can't give you that information but they know it.

But you land there's fans there with all the pictures and you know there's got to be money exchange there I agree. Yeah and there's there's particular airlines. I'll say the American airlines sell certain information really for sure for sure every time you land at JFK and American they're there. And there's a whole like a whole posse of the posse LA same thing. Yeah American seems to be American more than others.

Other certain hotels in Manhattan. Wow I'm here for 12 hours. I'm not even spending the night here. Yeah. How did you know I was going to be here. Right. You know yeah I even asked that so like how did you not even play the gig here. You were here like doing like you have a day room because you're traveling somewhere whatever to happen last week.

I was in Manhattan for me and slash and I were there for you know 12 hours and there they are. Yeah. Right. So what is that I would do in that situation. So he calls ahead you know like that's not a life threatening thing. No I don't know of course. So I don't mean to make it a bigger thing than it is. If you tired that's the main thing is you're tired and you know you just out here you're trying to get the gym. You're trying to eat something good.

You're trying to get coffee and you're trying to get to your gig or whatever the thing you got to do and that's it. So and you don't want to like germs and like in that case like germs and stuff you want to come in the back. That day I had strepthrough so I didn't want to deal. Wow. I had strepthrough for like a week and a half out here which you know as a singer. It's brutal. It is brutal so I was on steroids and you know stuff.

Because you sing during the show as well you have your own song even that you sing during the set. But I did a lot of like falsetto back up. You do a lot about I noticed that when I saw you last year you're doing singing throughout the whole show. Right. Yeah. So that's kind of you know falsetto especially you can't sing. You can't be full voice so you can't you know listen luckily we have Melissa Reese with us and she's a vocal coach.

She has such amazing singing. She plays the awards and she sings yeah. She sings a lot and her and I sing a lot like just duo vocals. So she's like dude okay here's what you got to do and she that coached me through that. So what is just from a singing standpoint like what was she saying like she talking about if you're sick here's what you got to do or just a general. She's got it down to exactly. Here's what's going on physically with your vocal cords and the strap is right here.

Let me look. Shed and flash light up. Okay. Oh yeah. Okay. Don't touch me. You know. So how do you sing when you have that problem? So you know when you're on and you open up the back of your palate so you have to sing like you're you guys sing all the way up there like you're yawning that part in the back of your palate when you're yawning you have to push from the lower abs up to that yawning part.

You got to like you know close your mouth in like you're saying ooh the whole time right when you sing not like she says I look at you. Down stage when you're singing and your mouth is wide close it up. Oh put your shoulders back. I got the base on my mind. Yeah. Yeah.

You're all trying to look cool and stuff. I'm not I'm not trying to look cool. I just got my base on I'm singing. This is how I've sang for 30 years. Well you got to lift your shoulders up and pull them back and put them back down. Interesting. Just up and sing from your lower abs and blah blah blah. Really? Yeah. It's funny because I met Smokey Robinson once. Yeah. And yeah he was eating lemons.

And I just went up to him and say so smokey like does lemons is that help you with your voice is that like for your throat he's like no man I just like eating lemons. That's great. And he said the only thing that helps you as a singer for it was water and sleep. He said the rest of that shit you know throat coat and all that stuff he said that's all bullshit for me.

And he's like obviously one of the greatest singers of all time for 50 years. And so I always kind of took that his advice sleeping and water. And you don't sleep though. Well that's the thing. I know you. What do you do about three four hours a night maybe four or five hours a four or five hours a night. Four or five. Once in a while will be a little bit longer but usually five is is is the norm. That's it. My mind is moving too much and I've got stuff going on.

I get it. How is it for you when you're on the road because you guys have a lot of days off as well right. We do. Yeah. Yeah you definitely like I'm in a thing right now you know when you get on the road and you get in your. Tell me in your groove like in your zone your routine. Yeah. Yeah. So we just end and like I can go I traveled from two months ago I traveled from Tel Aviv to Seattle to go to the dentist.

We were supposed to have nine days off what we put this Apollo show in New York right in the middle of our nine days off. So I'm like but I had to go to the dentist I had to get this temporary. Taking off this root now put the permanent on yeah my dentist go and do that thing comes off. You're screwed right you want to keep your teeth or what yeah yeah I want to keep my teeth you all come.

So I was going to go to you know I was going to go home for nine days and get my tooth fixed and blah blah blah but I couldn't so I flew from Tel Aviv which is Middle Eastern time whatever that is yeah yeah yeah. Is really in time would love 11 hours ahead of Seattle yeah.

So Seattle slept at night went to the dentist in the morning got it done flew to Manhattan so that's back over across the country got there went up you know when got some Mr. Softie ice cream and stuff went to the gym went to bed. Got up did sound check was hot sound check did the Apollo show which we played late New York time because we want to be midnight because the 30th anniversary of appetite right. We want to play at midnight at the time.

The exact moment yeah so we did that and went to the hotel went oh slept for one hour because I got on the dark 30 flight back to my family gotcha right. And on my point all that in all of that I experienced no jet lag because you're really you're zoning in on this thing you're going to attack this thing you're not going to jet lag and you're. But going from Eastern time Montreal Ottawa meant Miami Hershey Pennsylvania where we've been for a while just as the central time that you would have.

I'm kind of messed up. But it's funny that you mentioned that your dentist right and the same like yeah have to go to the dentist but you'd be like well the money just go to you have to go to your dentist yeah like that's the way it's it's yours. It's my tennis you know like even for me like like I'm growing my hair a little bit it's going to be under probably looking a little bit like yours when I'm done my.

I'm messed right now well so is mine but the reason I have this hair is because I was on tour for a month then I came back in my hair stylist was was on vacation for a month.

And I'm not going to go to just anybody I want to go to her I got some bullets because I've gone yeah and it's like since I can't go to her I'm just like I got two months of hair now I'm just going to keep going to see where it ends up but I think people would not understand that like you want to go to your dentist your hair stylist so it's worth it flying all the way across the country to go right to yours yeah yeah like I'm seeing even see the doctor like I got this.

I got what I got the streptop right so I saw the doctor and I have a heart murmur I've had it since I was a kid right so I know what's coming and then also I've done a bunch of drugs in my 20s right so I know what's going to happen yeah I can call it he's going to put the he's going to look up my nose.

Oh my god okay I did a bunch of cocaine in my 20s man I know I've had two surgeries jeez I've seen a wow it was a long good I don't do drugs anymore if you're looking for a drug you know I like it so and then they put the thing I'm they want to listen my lungs right. He got a heart murmur to do somebody told you yeah mr. Bedside Manor yes I know I'm not going to die I'm pretty sure right now I got it.

Does it sound like I'm going to die yeah well you should get that checked out no I'm good thanks but now I'll freak out all night but thanks cool. Cool you're worried all night right yeah talk is Jericho I was freaking out like you're on tour and playing these big rooms big rooms big venues big places but you're completely sober and have been for 15 years now oh 10 years well note I mean I've been off the the boost since 94 and complete sober from all the other shit to you.

Yeah so when when you are on tour now I mean you obviously and we toured together in the UK and Australia but now on this in these big you know playing stadiums is it different like do you think back to what you used to do like in the 90s. When you had days off like now you're going to the gym and I mean I might days off I've been the same thing though for a long time.

Which is gym whatever kind of physical activity which is going to be something it's always extreme you know that's the one thing I had to start to figure out how do I how do you get that same part in your tap that same place in your head without going so extreme because I'm like doing all kinds of supplements now and

Vitamint or green like and even tried cannabinoids for joints you know you tried that no what is it you have you know CBD oil yeah so a doctor gave it to me there's a study it's really good for like joints. Getting in like after 50 and there so it actually worked. It doesn't get you high or anything it's just these things.

But it's almost like that this type of stuff is your new addiction like the hell. I'm trying to find is there is there a mixture of stuff I can do and still go hard in the gym and not be so damn sore. How do I not I work out seven days a week how do I take a rest day and plus you're doing the three hour shows three days a week right to three days a week yeah and that's very.

We're picking up because we're going to do a rena run right. So then we're doing could we won't have to move a huge stage that's why we only play two three times a week because we have this we have a couple stages going like one stage is being set up now in the next year but when you're playing a stadium show like you mentioned you've got a big stadium stage that you have to cover. That's that's why you see big bands are only playing a couple times a week.

Oh well those guys are really slowing down but no you know you have to set this whole thing up. If you walk into a stadium you see all McCartney or some big band or us playing everything there including the seats on the ground you know

our ours we've either rented those seats really every it's like we're putting on an NFL football game wow even the seats I never thought about yeah. Oh but back to the security thing what I wanted to get to on that in all seriousness so there's there's personal security guys that we have and but that's not really like all this eBay stuff and all that South America is crazy you need to have like beetle mania there right.

Yeah. Europe like Italy and some it's just in Bieber stuff you know beetle mania really is and that's a thing but you know in this day and age we're like we went and played slain castle in Dublin three days after the Ariana Grande thing in Manchester right. So in every place all these places are on higher so they we have a full security detail at the venue we have an advanced guys and they're all you know ex seal team guys all this stuff and then they coordinate with the police so

and whoever else to make sure that the people come to see us are safe. Gotcha you know we have a way out I'm not worried about me right but you're you're worried about that you know you're putting on a big show you have a bunch of people come to see you there's a responsibility and I think we feel it pretty

greatly and pretty gravely sometimes and so that that show same promoter the the Manchester show was our promoter three days later in slain wow and that's a big it's 60 miles as a crow flies from Manchester to Dublin pretty close maybe too close for comfort you put on this 85 thousand people you know right so there's all the way to the train stations and and you know see

something say something all of that was and the security all throughout Europe was really great and they had I think they had the crowd is safe as they could get it some places we played there was helicopter circling wow you know the guy hanging out with the gun yeah wow that gets your attention as you're playing like wow there's a guy sure

sure and that's the world that we live in yeah we did a show in Paris a week after the battle clan with the new death metal yeah we did a show one week later and you guys were in March you in St. Louis like a couple few days after good yeah dude with the Ferguson thing that's right

and both the shows I mean like there's I mean there's small crowds because who the hell is going to go to a rock show but for us we wanted to do it because you don't want to cancel because you don't want to let you know let them win quote unquote

but I'll tell you what the one in Paris a week after the you know this massive shooting massacre you know I'm watching the door the back of the room that's just in case right but you don't want we didn't want to cancel it and the people that showed up had a great time and it was they needed it but it's scary though man you know it's like you said like you know you just

never know what's going to go down and like you said we can just run out the back you know there's always a way for the band to escape but it's for the fans the people out there that that you're worried for them in a lot of ways you know

yeah I mean you say you can always you just want to back you hope right right but did you think you're you're playing the show so you're kind of the last person you're worried about I'm sure that certain part of you are like okay what's my strategy absolutely yeah I had my escape wrote plant and I do that actually every time because

another thing we did was the night that there was that fire that at the great white show in Rhode Island remember that yeah we played that night as well in Albany New York which was right down the road yeah so every time I do a show I always look at where's my escape route if a fire breaks out you know I mean just have to think that way

I don't want shitty but that's just how you think right yeah so when you're talking about doing these big shows and it's interesting because it's a very cool coincidence that August 24th 1987 I saw guns and roses for the first day is August 24th 2017 here you are playing the stadium I think I think I think I think it's a slash as well the detail you know slashes also he's like wow the coincidence but it's cool that he actually thought enough of it to bring it up

Jericho Texan meaning said here's the deal yeah yeah I do you remember like you know do you remember that that tour with the cult because I think that was your first tour right oh I remember well yeah I really do I mean that was a that was a first arena tour I've ever done and we had a tour bus like a real tour bus and you know of course the tour bus was 20 years old at that time yeah and you know the first night we were in Halifax our bus driver got rolled for his his float by a hooker

and but you know it didn't matter we were on a I remember having no money on that tour and like going through the audience after we played and it's like you have a change so I could make a phone call dude I'm gonna tell you something right now did I come up to you and ask for change no you didn't but you were at the back of the arena selling the buttons on your jacket for five bucks each in the middle of the crowd and I know this because I just talked to my cousin chat I said what was

Duff doing because we saw you he said he was selling the pins on his jacket for five bucks a piece yeah yeah so like catering on that they're like catering there's food yeah so there was like a meal on gig days that you could do that but we we had no money there was like do we had no podium we had no no money right so it's like okay well you guys are on tour it's great we had Mick Bob who's my textile we just celebrate 30 years

yeah Mick Bob yeah yeah 30 years that's crazy we had he and I had dinner in Buffalo 30 years so that was 30 years ago wasn't it so he started Halifax I was this first gig it was just Mick Bob and another guy I'm sure you didn't have a big crew yeah we had two guys yeah yeah which was like huge dust we have two guys and a backdrop and it was probably like four by eight the backdrop but yeah I remember

that you were very well you know being broke or it's up didn't matter I did so many punk rock tours where you had no place to stay you would like get to the show and you would find there would all would be a punk rock house that you sleep so you just the band house there was some band house somewhere in wherever you're at Eugene organ there's some kids house well you know

sometimes you sleep at somebody's mom's house right so I wasn't worried about that we had a tour bus you can always go to the bus yeah sleep on that yeah so yeah we went started Halifax came across Canada played the hockey rinks and some theaters came down the west coast went through my hometown Seattle and it was amazing like the paramount this place I'd seen the clash in all these the place yeah great bands

that's not a clash pre-London calling at this place at the paramount that now we're playing yeah so it was a big deal came back down through L.A. then across the southwest through Texas and ended in New Orleans and I remember that you're very well because like at that point time I remember like no one at least up here in Winnipeg no one knew who you were no no never heard of you guys are anything about guns and roses and I remember storm remember the guy came on stage maybe it was

McBob and he was like of all the bands in the world this is one of them here's guns and roses yeah you walk out there plugging in and start it's so easy and I was like these guys yeah just scums what a bunch of bombs yeah yeah yeah we came back

a few months later with with Iron Maiden that's right and that crowd you know the cult crowd was a little more like a rock and roll a little bit more similar to the vibe of guns and roses that Maiden would be Maiden's crowd were like who are the hell are these fuck you know but you just got and you do the the shows you know we're thankful to Iron Maiden for that tour but we did we toured a lot where nobody knew who we were mostly because mostly on that on that appetite version

destruction tour we were out for a year well because it's funny because appetite came out like you said in July of 87 I actually did a bit of research yeah one thing but it didn't take off till about a year later yeah which is unbelievable in this day and age that you had a whole year before the album and it wasn't normal back then either you know there about to pull us off the road that we had tour support so that paid for the the bus and the crew guys

and of course we had to pay it all back yeah yeah if you have a hot dog on the record company you're paying it back of course yeah eventually yeah with interest yeah those are all things you don't know then

and they don't ever really tell you either yeah but yeah so so we toured for a year you know we'd go to London we go to the UK and stuff and we were blowing up there it was such a strange thing to go there and like we sold out the Hammer's Method it's 2500 people or something right yeah yeah yeah and we sold out others big in the UK and then we'd come back to America and be like three people at front like yeah that's our band that's our three people yeah yeah yeah and then we'd go to Japan

and it was a thing there Australia was thing come back to the States nothing but when it started to pick up it really we were on the airs with tour so we did what do we do with it we did Al's Cooper tour we were the first of three really it through the Midwest so that's like you know it's us

Megadeth Al's Cooper another strange bill right yeah so you got to set up in front of not only Al's Cooper stuff but Megadeth Al's drum set Megadeth drum set then your drum set at the very front the lip so you'd have to

there were skigs we had to jump over the the bass drum to get to the other side of the stage the cult were nice enough to give us that first tour and you know they saw us at the Markean London and we want to take those guys on tour we think that bands killer they saw it before anybody else

yeah they really yeah and so always thankful to them and and made all the bands took us out and Mata Crew again our three people were up front yeah in the South the rest of you were like who we were just filing in yeah yeah yeah I'm Tom and Lee yeah sure and then the aros mature sweet child of mine single came out and it went from three to 30 you know to 300 all in like I swear a couple weeks and I remember that too three thousand to everybody got there

yeah yeah to see us and then you're almost bigger than the headlining but we had that we had that new breaking band yeah fit stigma right so people were really excited aros but of course our aros means you bands you just don't compete with right their aros mature but we had that that fresh shiny vibe yeah everybody had to see us so right right just on the strength of that one song yeah and then so then they would you know get the record go oh my god you know I like this song and that song

so yeah that was a really interesting time you know going from asking people for change so you could make a phone call you really but you were still didn't have any money but everybody knew the thing is like everybody knew who you were suddenly yeah yeah you know you go

into grocery store when you got back to LA and we're on the cover the wrong stone and but you don't change at all you're like well this is I got to buy some copies for sure it's like that song you know five five copies for my mother yeah and but then people are looking at you at the store

like and pointing there's a guy and I was like wow that's weird so weird hi you know yeah you know that odd thing we don't know what to say hello we're sounds my voice sound when I say that hello hi how am I supposed to even say that yes it's me yeah I'm that guy I don't know what to even say

you know it's like we said the class of out of are you who I think you are it's like who do you think I am I don't know depends on who you think I am I'm pretty sure it depends on that I was telling you last night that I like your answer people say to me like you're a lot smaller in person and I always say like well I'm actually not even this big but today I'll post it the picture and right underneath on his Instagram someone goes wow he's a lot smaller than I thought

I was gonna text back I'm actually not even that big so that's always the thing though I should I should I should you're listening to talk is Jericho let's talk about appetite construction as the record so this is your basically your first record and and and here we are now 30 million copies later when you guys are was there buzz about guns and roses when you're doing this record where you're like did you guys I mean

you obviously never know but did you know you had something special at the time doing something that no one who's really doing we had an incredible belief in ourselves yeah you know even for the very beginning like when that band got together we are we all knew like well this is the thing that we've all wanted to do we've been in a bunch of bands before this this is the band and we go out and play club shows in L.A. and again like it was

three people and we knew them all it's like West our keen my next door neighbor somebody's girlfriend and their friend yeah Dell James from the office yeah then yeah Dell knows guys came from New York and yeah so then it was seven people you know yes that believed in us and when you believe in yourself nothing can stop you you know what I mean right and we believe in ourselves and we built that band up in L.A. and we kept writing and we kept writing

songs and find tuning songs we had you know like some of the songs like Rocket Queen or whatever you probably wouldn't recognize like oh the main riffs there but they went into some other weird part like we would well fix songs by going out playing songs like oh that didn't really work that didn't feel right there so we'd get back in and this little dingy rehearsal place we had we lived in and everything no bathroom

is lived in there yeah it was our lab you know and and we believed in in ourselves and label started coming out and we you know we started tracking bigger crowds that's what labels started come out we started selling the Trubidor which is a big deal in L.A. you go to the Trubidor now and you look at the size of it it's like what's the big deals like 220 people but you know then that was a big thing the Trubidor was what used to be kind of way bigger

is now used to be one of the cornerstones of the L.A. scene right yeah because that that kind of there was still the what's what's right word mystique of it or yeah from the 70s right Elm John going there and all those kind of there was a lot of bands that that broke at the Trubidor artists the broke and so there was still sort of that thing we're still Doug Weston's Trubidor and it was so labels

came out we made this we we signed a deal with Gaffin and we made this record and we we had to find a producer and nobody wanted to produce as nobody there was this thing around as this sort of stigma like these guys ain't gonna live through the just like a hard partying reputation sort of thing yeah and it was it was all very real you know like there was no bullshit about the band it was a ball of fire

you know like rolling around the city but you know we found the guy in my clink who sauce for what we were we were we were in all of that we were really dedicated musicians and songwriters and worked very hard who would hurt twice today you know Stephen and I would rehearse early in the day you'd get up you go to work you know we've all had jobs like six in the morning till noon or one and then you go to your job at the time

well we can't all had same job like phone sales right we're you selling I sold office supplies so you're calling people under a different name yeah I was Paul Dana but you had to have a you know like I had a job and that was you know we all kind of grew up in a different time like all blue collar

kind of you got up you got up make your own way you're not going to move to LA and like be not work yeah you're gonna work and you're gonna no one's giving you a credit card to live off of yeah yeah no no times are different now I think there's a lot different there just wasn't any money then either and we grew up in the times when they're 70s and 60s and stuff there just wasn't money so anyhow you you pulled your own way and you got to work and then you go to rehearsal

Stephen and I would rehearse every day I have a rhythm section rehearsal kind of home that thing in and then we'd rehearse as a band and and we worked hard and we believed in that record and we made this record and I guess that to make us I made a really long story out of a simple question but that's interesting stuff like you can actually just the rhythm section rehearsal because you know that Stephen Adler has a really cool vibe you know I don't know if anybody really plays like him

like it's different from Matt so I'm different from Frank for our yeah I don't know if it's more of a swing thing or a little bit more sloppy but both right yeah yeah and you know he was a when I first answered the ad for slash and Stephen for this band road crew

who was the ad was in the paper well yeah it was in the paper and the guy's name was slash I'm not he's a punk rock guy like I was just coming out of punk rock was kind of dead in 84 all the kind of skinhead guys started coming in from the suburbs and they ruined punk rock like these Nazi bullshit like you know and Nazi you know you're from the suburbs

but this has happened all over North America. Oi move my dress yeah just a bunch of dumb shits but they ruined you know they thought slam dancing was fighting right and it just so I was like this isn't rock and roll anymore this is something else so whatever what's gonna be next what's gonna be up to guys my age and so I met the other guys my age that which were the guys in our band we're gonna like well whatever's next is gonna be up to us right or whatever that is yeah

and um Stephen had this huge drum kit when I met him in slash like double bass drum shit ton of tom's way too many symbols all the stuff and he would play all of it at once but you know where's the beat you know but he had a groove in there he had this little engine that was really interesting

and he you know some people are just born to play drums or some people born to play guitar and he was born to play drums I play with drummers that shouldn't have been drummers right it looked like such an effort back there yeah yeah

um so eventually one least you know guns roses became that those five guys is he and I started taking his drums away like hiding them so he ended up with a single kick drum snare no rack toms really one floor tom hi hat crash or ride in a cowbell no so from that huge drum kit down to this

Ramones wow he didn't have any rack toms look at pictures you interesting yeah and use and what you mentioned so listen to appetite right no rack you mentioned one thing to cowbell there's a lot of cowbell work in on that record so he had to use what he had interesting

but our point was like let's get to the groove and Steve it is so Stephen I would listen to like cameo we're done yep signed family stone stuff with groove and a beat mm-hmm and we'd play along to it and I hadn't been a bass player until I played bass in punk rock bands and I played guitar and I played drums I really hadn't figured out which one of those I was going to do so I moved out like thinking well I'll do one of these three

and so that band you know what I went to play with Stephen and slash was bass player so and then guns started as it is as it was and I'm like well I'm going to be a bass player so how do I do that which bass player emulate which style what what am I going to be how am I going to be different how am I going to be this thing and get serious about and back then bass players were

you know there was Lemmy Paul Seminoff from the clash Nikki sit like like the bass player was it was a cool thing to be there was a band called magazine where the bass killing joke all these bands like the bass player was the thing so like let's make our rhythm section a thing and it was also James addiction where they're there rhythm section was unreal like okay we got to be unreal

so we listen to a lot of that kind of stuff and would sometimes play along to it and then we play our songs with like let's get a real pocket so you hear you hear the same places of that sort of R&B and funk and stuff in but we made it our own thing made very rock and ball and but it was a lot of work because I wasn't really a bass player well it's you it's one thing like I noticed when guitar players switch over the bass you're still thinking almost like a guitar player

I was like a drummer like a drummer gotcha because your bass your bass lines like I've seen is not just because you're hearing because we're friends but your bass lines are very inventive and very cool like it's not just normal bass playing it's almost like like like Gene Simmons plays very strange yeah against the rhythm parts like McCartney you do the same thing which is not a punk rock bass player right you know you're coming at it more of almost like

like I said like Gene or like Steve Harris even where there's a lot of really cool stuff going on that's not just the root right and I mean like punk rock such a broad term so I hate to even use that because you listen to the clash and you know you get to the lead me you got a lead me for like just down the middle like hate like I love that too that's more like I guess punk rock

also the distorted tone that he had yeah I'm sure if you used a pedal or just use his amp murder one and turned on the distortion but that's almost like a guitar when you listen to it you know yeah and then there would be like other stuff like killing joke and so I don't mean put punk rock I put anything with sort of bad intention which I love you know playing with bad intentions all until punk rock like it's hard to call the clash

a punk rock band by the definition of what punk rock is because right like rock the Casbah are like you know training vain is not a punk rock song and the least but they're a punk rock band right I guess yeah yeah I think you know a lot of bands try to shake that yeah blondie or even the police started as a punk band I saw them on a punk tour you know yeah another great bass player too and staying very underrated as a bass player yeah absolutely yeah yeah that's like how he

could sing and play those bass lines yeah yeah you know I heard you know take appreciation this when he was first learning how to sing and play guitar or play bass at the same time he wrote a lot of songs with space like walking on the moon the vocal line there's no bass like done right down bomb bomb down I thought that was always pretty cool like when I heard that a lot of the early police tunes have that space where there's nothing going on

right between you know to learn how to sing and play because it's hard to sing and play you do it great but it's not an easy thing to do yeah you know yeah well you like you work yeah yeah yeah yeah when you're talking about the about the songs on appetite did you like which songs are or or yours that you brought to the table on that record

it's so hard to say you know because everybody has a piece of every like mm-hmm like it's always a song I recorded on Fortrack a version of it I learned how to open E Tune on guitar from West my next third neighbor and you know when you learn learn a new tuning on guitar you write like 19 songs 25 minutes like wow this new tuning just open up a whole new world yeah yeah so it's so easy was a thing I recorded and actually loved it you know it's like okay

apparently city I had a lyric for that you know with three chords welcome the jungle the the verse riff is it is from this old punk rock band it's like band and it's a riff yeah that's cool so there's so many riffs yes yeah yeah and I hate to even say they're they're mine because it was such a band thing so I over the years you know I think maybe back then I like because you're young

you're 20 and 21 you're like well that parts mine you know you learn to really shake that that that thing those those were just really band songs because if you look at the you know the track listing it says all songs written by guns and roses yeah and it's so true that's true yeah yeah so you guys just get together in a room and just throw shit around and yeah yeah worked hard we were just played a lot we rehearsed a lot and you know

actually would come in and start singing on something is like well that parts wrong you got to change it doesn't work like what okay what does that mean you know you have a guitar on it's like what's gotta be more angry you know or this part's gotta be and like okay shit you know and you learned like he had such amazing instincts at first you're like well what's the

skin doesn't even play guitar like what's he what's he know but he like we'd land on something like after being frustrated and finally like slash play some riff like just being pissed off like oh there it is there it is and you learn like whatever actual instinct was usually the right thing even though you fight through

it and fight through it and fight to it and finally land on something so yeah you're basically pushing each other yeah right and like where do we go at the end of sweet child was okay where we go in the song now where do we go now yeah so that was like a play center lyric really yeah where do we go where to in the song no sure oh that's

great yeah but ended up like that was that band at the time like oh actually that works yeah for the song you know for the for the previous lyric in the song works great it's great because when you think about it it's like it doesn't I mean it makes sense but it doesn't really make sense but

that's the reason why it was just the placeholder for what you wanted to do how much of like kind of the unsung hero if that's the right word was easy to to that process I mean I don't think he's unsung sorry that's right he's putting a vitamin C into your water bottle yeah

and then it looks like I've done it's my whole room looks like I've done cocaine I have you know all these outers white powder in a whole room place 30 years difference I leave my rooms and all these fancy to sweet so they're like oh that guy does a lot of cocaine that guy from Guns and Roses on so much cocaine we saw the white powder everywhere yeah we're talking about is he though is I I've heard the unsung hero but I think he's sung pretty well he was you know a big part of that band and

but everybody was you know Steven you know some of the beads that he would start would would inspire a riff you know and how do you give that credit to a drummer who doesn't have a guitar on how do you you know axles you got a credit in what's like pushing us to get the

riff for Michelle you know how do you mean because it was a double time and it was that original riff for Michelle wasn't the riff it was it was this fast kind of so if you do it's like then it then it like the piece faster I even forget what it was oh yeah you know but it is he had like this this cool riffs and and but the rest of the band would take it and make it like this whole other thing and it's hard to say everybody if you want to say that

anybody was unsung then everybody was unsung or or everybody was several sun I don't know but um he was you know he as he rolled he was a super cool guy for sure and you know we all had our demons and we faced him at different times and he had his kind of in the midst of all of that early on yeah we all had him make no mistake but it was how you know that's a whole another story but that's always kind of it was like almost the the

image of guns and roses were like you know and you guys cultivated that you know your pictures you look a ball of jack Daniels and cigarettes in hand but that was part of the of the it wasn't like we didn't have an image consultant that was just who we were no we did not but I mean it was it was a whole like in 1987 88 there was a whole new thing I was saying Molly crew was like a party man but you guys were like just dirty the guns

of roses just look like a bunch of dirty mother and a great rock and roll band and that was part of the of the beauty of of of your guys is vibe I think yeah you know yeah you guys just didn't give a shit no no in a time when other bands seemingly did

yeah it was the real thing I mean there was there was other bands and and I won't name them but you know I mean there was just other bands in that scene that we we just like if you could put in the same realm with them like in some like once like hip crater or whatever magazines were started to write about it like do not put us in the same category with those bands like hair metal bands or whatever whatever band it was because we we knew who was real and we knew who wasn't we

know like we loved fear we loved you know the bands that were real around us but you must look at arrow Smith as well that's yeah but I know about the bands were around us in L that's it change the action change addiction was a real thing those guys were like super super intense yeah out there and yeah and and and they were from they were doing their own thing for sure and there was a bunch of bands that just

were kind of copying what the other image and then you know so we just our image as it were was not it was a it was an anti image it was just us so if you saw a picture with us with jack or whatever that was just they snapped a photo of us okay you guys get together because you have to get together for a photo girl all want to be in it yeah here okay good the photo sessions over you know off we go off we go so a lot of us like it be early photo sessions going on quote we're all done by Mark

candor or Robert John two friends of ours and we'd usually be out flying at the time so we'd be all together so snap a photo mean you know and flyering meaning putting up flyers for your gig and that was what the devil did the sunset strip scene at that time yeah we get night train

which is a dollar 29 a bottle and we'd go out and yeah put up flyers getting fights protect ourselves you know we're like a gang do a photo shoot okay all you guys now you all have to be together to be all be in the photo snap okay photos she's done so why would you get in fights

because you put your flyer over something or whatever it was it was it was all it was a little tough then there was some crime there's a crack cocaine there's all kinds of numbskullery going on there's scullery talk is Jericho was there any bands at that time that didn't make it that you

thought could ever should have like I always heard a lot about jet boy yeah yeah some teams and the guy passed away yeah yeah yeah yeah um Todd was uh I was really really tight with Todd you were close to him too right yeah yeah yeah yeah and um yeah he they kicked him out kind of I

think because I mean we took out the time because he was hanging out with us too much you know and we were we were this we knew when to like draw a line like like the gigs were off like don't be wasted for a gig yeah the off limits like you know but every other time there was no limit so

you could either hang with or you couldn't like some people would come in and try to hang with us then you know you knew like that person's gonna last a couple hours and they're gonna be gone you could be puking yeah two hours you get in the scrum and some people could hang with us and just stay in the scrum and Todd was one of those guys and um but jet boy was definitely cool we played bunch of shows with them early on they had their own kind of vibe and uh yeah I don't really know what

happened they made a record that didn't sound great that that record is there so I first record they did I don't know produced it but didn't sound great didn't sound like them mm-hmm I know with clank and us that was the thing we wanted to do we didn't want to use

in these studio trickery or try to be you know like then you know there was that like docking sort of snare sound and stuff that everybody was using when they when they put dynamite and stuff remember the all those yeah it was a real sharp it was recorded dynamite and that was in the drum

they would put samples of stuff in the snare drum and all of that yeah yeah there was a lot of that ultra garing drum sound like I'm sounding bigger and like we don't want to do any of that because we we had a feeling then like that's all just gonna be a thing in passing what's like records

it sound great are ace of spades you know and that's Eppel and records and aros early arosmith record those records sound great we want to sound great mm-hmm like that like but mics up to our stuff and record that just go yeah so clank really got that so we were we were we wanted to make a

record that sounded like us and there were some bands in that time that suddenly you hear the record like that's not the band mm-hmm that's and it put them on a click track or or whatever so that band is better than that mm-hmm a lot better than that and I think japoy was that

that was one of those cases before you guys like you mentioned like your bass tone on appetite you must have been super happy with that because it sounds great yeah it's so sits so up front of the mix we cultivated good tones because we played so much we heard so much in like this to sound good

and we we got that record advanced I knew the gear I wanted because the guitar center was right in front of our place and I go I'll be that guy who came in and played like one day I'm gonna get this yeah right oh that guy's not gonna buy again yeah get out no stairway yeah so um

that was my bass tone mm-hmm and still basically use the same stuff same gear yeah we'll get started to use the record record record that album the the uh the bass I have now I still have that bass but the basses I play every night what are they uh they're they're

fender jazz specials they were called they only made them for one year they were made in Japan and I got one and it's the roto sound strings I used with it it's the GK head I I used with that Seymour Duncan pick up sister pick I use it's a whole thing that creates this tone and um

um I used the same stuff to this day I do yeah you know I play with my fingers a little bit now I I really got into bass about eight eight to ten years ago I started taking lessons and really yeah I did and I got reinspired on the bass and really wanted to learn like some theory and stuff

so I learned some theory and I kind of threw it away but I started playing with my fingers and it kind of expanding my you know and I play a lot like like before we play show I'll play for like two hours which is something I didn't do back then but we played so much we were hurt so much

I didn't have to go home and play home was actually the um yeah yeah um but uh yeah um um when you guys were getting ready for this tour and rehearsing again um did you remember the songs very easily or was it hard to get back into that Guns and Roses groove because it was 20 years

it wasn't hard no I mean you know those songs are they're part of your makeup so your body kind of suddenly like it hears to the right I mean I remember I was I listened to appetite and play long too I I have this little setup where I can play along to music I would like this uh first

time I ever played cover songs was just recently this Kings of Chaos thing right right we're doing I'm playing like Deep Purple and it's like an all-store cover band yeah yeah yeah you're playing with the guys yeah yeah yeah and like real Texas shuffle with ZZ Top like playing those songs like whoa

this is cool um uh arrow smith songs like playing them real like not as like a cover band but you're playing with Steven Tyler you're gonna play this is gonna be perfect yeah Deep Purple was playing he is no songs what a great singer he is man I love Glenn yeah I keep trick songs with Robin's

Andrew yeah that's cool it's amazing yeah but uh first time I played cover songs right I've got this little setup uh where I got you know this blasters that plays the music and I have a little bass amp and I play these I learn the songs playing over and over and over and learn them I don't read

music you know really need to you just um get in the tuning whatever it is some of those old 70 songs they weren't really in tune with right anything yeah to the record you know okay here I am all right um but uh what was my point to that so so I had my little setup but with the appetite I put

it that's tied up and played through the record and uh the illusion songs and it got into the Chinese democracy songs I think that's cool that you played some tunes from that record it's great you know Axel is you know he's he put a lot into that record and there's so there's I think

slash and I would we're like challenged with the thing like how do we make these kind of ours yeah sure because we're gonna play these so we got to take we're gonna take ownership of of these and we went in and and started like we learned them first and then went in and start playing with Frank

and then Richard came in but like let's make let's tear these songs down first to really know them so it was just slash and I and Frank playing some of these like better and mm-hmm Chinese democracy songs and what else did you do this I love is that another you guys do

we do we know a bunch of them yeah you know it depends on in the set but let's let's let's tear these songs down and and really get to know them and then build it up from there mm-hmm and um so my point to that is you just but any but all the all the illusion stuff and an appetite it didn't

take long yeah it took a day is there one okay I got it is there one song or what's like what was the what's the hardest song to play in your set I mean I'm sure you got them all down but is there one where you like a little bit more challenging like I got to really not run around during this one

um I mean there's there's a few where I can't really run around personally you know a bass player like I play guitar and loaded I play rhythm guitar which is the best instrument to play period yeah you know kidding right because you you got big gobbin chords and you know and uh you can go

thrashing around yeah um and if you don't play a couple verses or you don't have to worry about yeah well you can hit a chord and run yeah you know and I think it's ringing mm-hmm bass you there's no ringing you so if you're running you have to know like you have to be on yeah yeah with your right hand there's no there's are just gonna sound like a a bar band mm-hmm the bass and drums cannot right it's it's just cannot deviate too much at all so um yeah I can't but you know I think

the most challenging there's just little parts like the beginning of sweet child of mine where the bass comes in that's excellent you can't fuck that up right everybody there is listening yeah at that point everybody's like whoa so you can't beat like burn and and and and you gotta be on

so like okay this is and there's there's slash guitar so I'm thinking about it you're not going for one song into that song in our set right now uh he does this long okay he's got the godfather thing that he does yeah sitting there with my with my middle finger sitting on the first note

mm-hmm for like five minutes that's thinking about it yeah uh what an iconic part that's always talking about early what a great musical part of of a song where like you know that bass line as if it was a vocal line yeah everyone knows it mm-hmm you know another one I think of too is

that the end of paradise city when it gets fast yeah digga digga digga digga digga digga digga you walk in the dog on that one yeah so we just throw down at the end of paradise that's the end of the set mm-hmm but I mean there's there's challenging parts for sure but we play a lot

and I wouldn't say anything yeah straged you know you don't want to you don't want to cut that song yeah at all you know it's funny when that record came out I never liked that song because I was you know 21 years old he's just eight minute ballad or whatever yeah that's one

of my favorite songs in your set such a great tune thanks you know when you're younger you know what I mean like come on I want to hear it's so easy I want to hear rock songs I don't want ballads yeah but then when you grow up and mature a bit it's like what a what a great tune that is man yeah

yeah it is it's a great tune I agree with you and just a few more questions as we as we wind down here first of all did you have any say or did you see that wait what you got and you know what you know what I got you know is this a present for me it's well we can share

okay we got a bag of almonds okay okay here we go okay we got a bag of almonds that duffie me because we became almond buddies in Australia we were both on the paleo diet and we had nothing to eat and duff was super hungry and as I came out I got some almonds he's like he got some almonds

and it's the famous story like you know back in the day we would be exchanging holes yeah you hold the and the works changing all so I'm on I'm on the flight we flew here from auto right this far buses took off like when we got the auto to come here because I guess if your own

plane or do you fly commercially no commercial oh wow yeah that'd be pretty cool guns and roses on the plane yeah it was you know there was people that were at the show the night before hey I can get a picture story sorry sorry hey man can I get one of them autographs maybe or a picture oh sorry

well okay sorry shit man I what here's the deal they they the game's almonds on the flight I'm like and I threw something in my bag pretty good Jericho I'm your all you said Steve Jones is your spirit animal and I'm here almond animal is this the almond no that's like some kind of a bar

or something it really is that could be that could be years old you know I think you have this in 1987 I think this bar here what is it dude it's like you've got like some kind of an Arabic candy bar it's got the sea right yeah look at it's got Arabic writing on it it's like you must have

got this when you're in Tel Aviv that's great oh well I can't find my any okay so you got some other almonds too that did I got I got you a little bag oh thanks man I appreciate that whenever you see almonds you think of me yeah right I gotta get these for Jericho yeah were you ever

privy to the to the original cover of appetite is that something that you would be involved with where you see that cover with like the robot and the and the chicks like insinuated it she just got raped actually found that it was on a little postcard on Melrose it was the artist really yeah

yeah so he loved the image there was a couple few images that we had looked at and he found that when he's like he brought it to our little rehearsal place like took this out and Robert what's it have escaping me right now with the Robert John no whoever wrote yeah the guy who drew I don't

know his name is but the guy who drew it yeah famous like you know what kind of hot rod artists and all that kind of stuff Robert Williams okay there you go and it was one of his images and sorry bracket company contacts them and we whatever licensed the image or whatever you do

and that became it was it was such a kind of a perfect image it was like she brought it in like oh there it is yeah so yeah but they wouldn't let you use it it was too controversial we used it was on the first like 50,000 copies and then it got changed because it was so controversial but

you know yeah but that time you know with the stickers and all that back then they still have the stickers I don't think you know like the PMRC and all that stuff yes she was great Al Gore's wife to her door was great for selling records back then she her tent was to like kind of stop it black

ball yeah anything with coarse language on it or whatever subject matter but those stickers parental got parental warning stickers sold records for anybody who had that on their record it worked against yeah I was in a punk band in high school called tipper gory oh were you really I always

love that name tipper gory tipper gory yeah yeah tippers you would really I'm sure I don't know I would have Al was ever kind of just embarrassed by that I'm sure we just let her do it what she wants you know just keep her get her out of the house and go for me only at us so 30 years later

with appetite and and and it's kind of a weird question but why do you think it's such it got so huge like what wasn't about appetite that made it the album of that decade in a lot of ways it's probably impossible for me being inside of that right to answer that right you know I can't see

our band like other people see it from the outside you know I got to say when when I went through and played that record before we went into rehearsal a couple January's ago it's like oh you know I got this feeling oh this records this record rocks you know this is yeah you can just hear the energy

and and the that record really captured that band really well and it does a lot of like first and second takes really on that that record yeah because we were playing so much there might have been a third take on there did you guys record all together or was it separate recorded

all together wow yeah but you know like slash for guitar on after but recorded a bit the bass and drums are that's that's the energy right that the initial energy that everything's based off of and and we are all playing with one another so it is that full energy I think some of the

lot of stuff is guitar just stayed on there he didn't do it over well I mean that sounds yeah yeah it's fine yeah his amp was in another room so it was isolated you need to do it over a lot of times you got to do some of those like guitars over again or bass or whatever because the drums

have bled into it right doesn't sound great you don't want to guitar track or the bunch of drums on it you want to just guitar track but when you isolate the amps of course with mics on them in different rooms you don't have that bleed sometimes you can just keep that and with me playing

bass with the drummer on anything I've done I like to have a good isolation because a lot of time just playing with the drummer that in that moment that's the best take you're gonna get yeah yeah because there's just a lot more think when you when you play bass again over the drum track

you know you don't have the line of sight with him you know I love having that line of sight with the drummer being right on a drummer in the studio locked in yeah locked in yeah what's your favorite song on appetite god I don't know I've been asked that I mean we're playing Michelle a lot

right now that's a great song but then when we play out to get me I'm like oh that's that's the song agree to you also yeah what a great tune and nitrains a great song you know like this super great and it brings up a really fun memory of that those you know going out and

flying and and drinking nitrain all the time and nitrain that stuff the reason you say you're on the nitrain because it wasn't just booze it was like so much sugar and they must have dosed it with something else acid or something yeah yeah liquid LSD yeah yeah yeah yeah so

is that how it works like every day like when you guys do a show does I'm assuming Axel probably writes a set list and that just gives it to you guys we have a set list that's out there and then you know Axel some just we have these little boxes on stage that you can just we wear any ears

right so most of the time he's telling amazing jokes do you guys amazing the only you can hear yeah that's great he crashes everybody in the like you know I I fancy myself a humorist yeah a jokester a jokester but he's yeah he crashes me but you know I can't let's play you just call

it you call it on the fly yeah that's great because you do a lot of covers too I noticed um we do we do it like the Layla thing in November rain and yeah before that is a piece of wish you were here living like dive course yeah yeah yeah yeah not gonna have in store yeah let's

couple easy DC tunes now we we will yeah yeah Angus just come out with us that's great we're if we're near where Angus is he'll come up did you go see Axel when he sang a couple times what he could kill that man I love that yeah I thought he did so great yeah slash knife little London

with our ladies and surprise him oh DJ yeah that's cool yeah that's cool we got that camaraderie you know what I mean I'm sure you appreciated that to see you guys there yeah he was you know I mean think about I've I've gone and played with a bunch of other bands and so slash played was so many

other artists and Axel never really got the chance to do that right this was like he went tried out did the whole thing you know you're super you're that's another level too like that's AC DC AC DC right and and bond is his guy so it was a big thing when he left to go try out you know

he came that's like I don't know like dude you you have it oh I don't know man I mean I don't know I'm just gonna go try out and again just gonna see you know and we knew he had it but you have to think like I would almost wonder like if Angus Young even knows who Guns and

Roses is you know to me like he's so like it's Angus right like yeah Guns and Roses which one of the hey you know yeah but I you said something perfect I loved about it was when Brian Johnson sang the Bond songs he did a great job but he did it because I think that's part of his gig

Axel I think embodies the spirit of Bond Scott yeah and is a Bond guy so those Bond songs have a whole new life with him singing them yeah you know what I mean that's the one thing I loved about seeing AC AC DC was it's like having the reincarnation of Bond Scott yeah the swagger and like the

danger yeah you know it was really really cool yeah you know it was fun to watch yeah I agree yeah yeah so I saw in London then I went to Cleveland and saw him do it again yeah yeah last couple questions did you being a Seattle guy were you pretty re-buds with Chris Cornell yeah yeah

what would a drag I saw him two days before he passed away at a festival in northern Wisconsin or someplace like that but yeah I just like the total jock man like the Seattle Seattle Seattle scene man there's crazy stuff right now yeah I really have no words for that yeah my

daughter May and his daughter Lily were born two weeks apart oh wow and I was in Susan I we're in Seattle then and and so Susan Silver and my Susan were pregnant at the same time and we hung out a bunch when the girls were little babies and and and then audience slaves started one valver

right and we played gays with them same vibes you both both your bands and and then start a new band super group thing right yeah yeah with Wyland as well it's amazing how that's seen I talked with Corey Taylor about this Wyland Cristornell Lane Staley Andrew Wood it's like all of these

co-cooker Cobain you know what I mean it's like all of the guys from that era of all of all gone you know so those guys are all my age you know and I don't know man the more it happens with Chris was was shocker you know I've had little touches of depression in the last seven eight years came

out nowhere I'm not that guy but I've had panic disorder since I was 16 and now he said that's a subset of depression hmm like why don't I have depression I have panic attacks here and there and like in the weirdest places ever and and I've learned to deal with them I know I'm not gonna

you know I learned by the time I was 20 I'm not gonna die from a panic attack you feel like you're going to so like when I was about 40 what five years about five years ago I was in a movie theater with my wife Susan we went to the movies and my my seat sunk down five feet in the middle of the movie

and I looked around I thought something happened to the theater hmm like it was earthquake but was no I had like a tack of depression in my just a feeling of moroseness and if I couldn't live like that we got out of the theater and I'm I'm shaking and I think you know it's hard to

explain what I felt like but she drove me home we got my friend came over we got somebody else on the phone and it was depression it's like it was depression and it passed and then I went and saw some people about it and I had a couple more of those episodes but I what I sometimes I

think I get things so I can write about it because it like you I'm a writer like okay now I've experienced that I wrote a column about depression and because I know now about it I don't have chronic depression but I've had attacks so if my point is if Chris Chester or you know anybody that

seat like if there was depression involved then all bets are off I can't I'm not gonna judge him anyhow no I've been in and out of you know alcohol and drug addiction and I got all you know so I can't I'm not one to judge but if if there was depression involved then it's a real thing

it's a real thing because I understand when I sunk down into that five feet down in that movie theater I couldn't live like that you couldn't yeah yeah yeah you can't breathe you can't eat you can't you know your all your body fun like just go yeah you have no control and I'm a strong dude

you know like I think positive and I apply a lot of principles to my life and through martial arts and through stuff and I can see and deal with shit bad shit you know and good shit and be a dad and be all you know those things that I rise to because I love it but when I had the

depression I couldn't be any of those mm-hmm yeah I couldn't be anything right right yeah like you said it's a real thing but okay last question look at knock knock okay who's there little little lady little lady who I didn't know you could yodel wow okay all right knock knock who's

there minnow minnow who oh yeah if you got a better knock knock joke let me know dude thank you so much man okay see you bye I think I'm the only guy that can go toe to toe with Duff Maccagan on knock knock jokes great guy he actually sent me a joke today and I'll read it to you Duff joke says

what's the difference between a peeping Tom and a pick pocket one snatches your watch yeah thank you with that one and I exchanging brutal jokes and more importantly changing another great conversation Duff is such a great guest what a great guy one of my favorite people on the planet and and what a

huge coup that he granted his one and only long term full length interview with talk is Jericho ever since the guns and roses reunion thanks again a Duff to talk about appetite for destruction and the reunion tour and Axel Rose and Angus Young and everything else guns and roses spent the summer

playing stadiums and now they're moving the show indoors this fall with a round of arena dates guns and roses dot com as all the dates and ticket info and I'll tell you what if you haven't seen the show go they are on fire they were amazing and Winnipeg when I saw them later on that night

amazing in Edmonton they played a Glenn Campbell cover they played James Brown cover all the songs sound great the chemistry is great Axel singing amazing and Duff told me off the air that this is the best tour he's ever been on and they're having so much fun and hopefully there'll be some new

music at that point so let's just wait and see what happens but go see the guns and roses they are unbelievable and speaking of unbelievable how about more unbelievable news headlines as only team Tiger Awesome can deliver them this is the news with team Tiger Awesome in time travel paradox news our

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