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Here is a man who has worked hard all his life, who shows no sign of anxiety, has never spoke about fake news, knows all about education and is single. We have to say a very good morning to the deputy chairman of the Tory party. He's trying. Matt Vickers, good morning. morning. How are you? All good, all good. This is lovely to see you so early. Yeah, I haven't wet the bed, I got up.

Did you? I haven't had my Weetabix yet. Probably while you're single. Weetabix and wetting the bed. Let's get straight to the papers, my friend. You'd know far more about this than me. Front page of the Mail for everybody just tuning in to Morning Glory. Labour dumbs down. at schools, exams cut by three hours, decolonisation of books and texts.

I know. What the hell does that mean? It's terrifying, isn't it? I think basically the government is on a mission. They want to send us out with an army of Greta Thunbergs who can't read, write...

The reality is, actually, if you get the unions to make all of your decisions, if you get the people who bung your cash to make all your decisions, all of a sudden they give you the things that are easy to teach, that they fancy teaching, that teachers like teaching. It's the same with the economy. They give everybody a huge pay rise. You know, the unions are running...

the country and now they're ruining our schools actually one of the things you know what you can criticize the last government for lots of things yeah no i'll give you this

was education. We were climbing up league tables. We had the best readers, writers, mathematicians. We were doing very, very well in education. But yeah, it's all gone to pot. Some people might argue the reason that we're trying to... Well, the government is trying to dampen standards. It's a leveller, isn't it? It's a leveller.

They're going to create a situation where the likes of David Lammy looks really bright. You know, that's where they're heading. Does that ever... Is that ever likely to be a feasible...

I mean, David Lammy looking bright. Well, you know, if they make everybody else stupid, they look much cleverer. I think that might be part of the strategy. But, I mean, that is frightening. And to me, again, I sound old-fashioned. Other plans include teaching school kids about climate change, whereas Richard Tyson... says net to stupid zero how to spot fake news isn't isn't it about love to hear from you this morning isn't it about teaching our kids

Like how to write, how to read, how to know the difference between right and wrong. Diversity. Honest to God, man. You want kids to be able to leave school, get a job, get on in life, actually... you've just seen the complete opposite here it's what what do people fancy teaching

We'll have a go at that. It's disastrous, actually. It tells you something, though. If you're educating all these kids about diversity and climate change, we're going to have to create more of those DER jobs. We're going to have to have more people working at the council office talking about diversity and climate change. and wasting all the money that the rest of us all those idiots now sat in their cars waiting to get to work

They're all paying for this rubbish. I know. And you think to yourself, I'm trying to work out who would imagine this is a good idea. You talked about unions, but somebody like Bridget Phillips and... seriously concerns me. When I look at her, I think, what are you on? But...

dumbing down our schools to what? Achieve a generation, as you said, that are all the same level and don't achieve anything, that what? We'll vote for Labour. I don't know where this stuff comes from. We, you know, we'll talk about the sick note thing later, but it's almost like we're... saying, you're all going to be the same, there's no aspiration, we're going to tax you so there's no point in setting up a business, we don't like anybody succeeding. As you said, we want everybody the same.

I think it's an absolute disgrace. I was telling this story the other day of my daughter, Alice, is at university. I won't say where, because she'll murder me, Edinburgh. And she was in a lecture, and the guy literally said...

You know, Britain is responsible for every world war. Its army is an aggressor. It's done this. It's colonised the world. It should apologise. It should have more migrants through the door. It should do this. It should do that. And you wonder how people like this. And it worries me in terms of education.

I've got grandchildren and young kids. I've got more kids than Boris. But the truth is, you wonder, don't you, when you send them to school now, what they're being told. Well, you're going to create a generation that hates our own country. But don't worry.

They might not be able to read and write, but they'll be able to dance perfectly. It is madness. I've been somebody for a long time who thinks that education should also be more practical. I know people laugh at me when I say this. I'd love to know your thoughts on this this morning. I'd like my kid to be able to leave and know how to change.

a plug or something in his car. I'm being completely serious. I do think that there are ways that we can make education more practical, but the basis of education... My wife, bless her, right, reads to my kids, if I'm not there, I did it last night, every single night. Does his little bit of homework, does his spellings, which got me thinking. Maybe nobody will come on the show this morning.

If you do come on the show this morning, either by phone or as a guest, this will be interesting to do to politicians. I'm going to test whether you, Matt Vickers, and others are educationally normal or subnormal. What's 9.8? 72. Oh, Vickers gets a point. Brilliant. They answer a point. That means you knew the answer before you asked it. Yeah, no, no. I'm a mathematical genius.

Now, I'm not sure I could do this. How do you spell curriculum? No, don't look at the newspaper. How do you spell curriculum? C-U-R-R-I-C-U-L. Another point. Matt Vickers, no wonder you're a Member of Parliament. Newtown School all the way. What was that? Newtown School, Stockton. School of Hard Knocks. Was it? It was a proper school, you know. Survival of the fittest. It taught you a bit about life.

Listen, good morning, Joe. If Labour improve schools and help further educate children, will it matter? Who's going to vote for them tossers anyway, says Ritchie and Grimsby. That's another reason to make all these kids dumb.

We want dumb kids who are stupid enough to vote Labour. This is Steve. Well, it seems that those who were classed as conspiratists in regards to our kids' indoctrination rather than education were quite right then. There are conspiratist theories, and I don't really buy any of that, but there's a lot of... people who will say, genuinely, Labour's on a mission to empower the unions, blanket approach to kids, dumb down all sorts of things. And when you see stuff like this, it's frightening, right?

It's terrifying. But it is. It's feeding into that next wave of people who hate Britain, who are going to be all about the green stuff. And it feeds into their own narrative. Actually, they don't want people asking too many questions. And the reality is... Don't want people asking...

questions. And see the impact of what Rachel Regis is doing to our economy. They're going to know there's... Well, we'll get on to her yesterday. I mean, that was quite possibly one of the most boring moments of my life. Labour dumbing down schools, loads of... Jez, I'm 65 years of age. Even my dad said we are.

regressing years ago. We're not levelling up but levelling down. Always easy to achieve the lowest common denominator says Steve. Good morning to Sean in Gloucester. He says The LIBOR party will dumb down the kids, hoping they'll be stupid enough to vote for them in the future, with that and Rachel Thieves' completely mad destruction of the economy.

I genuinely believe, says Sean in Gloucester, and I'd love to know what Matt thinks, that we are in an incredibly difficult and dangerous position in this country. Well, it's terrifying. We've lost control of the car. These people are at the wheel. Driving us off the cliff. But you know what I'm going to say to you, because we have debates. That's your fault.

That is your party's fault. One million percent. If our lot hadn't fought like cats in a sack, we'd let them in. But actually, people out there didn't vote for them. They got 34% of the vote. What I love... Doing what the hell they want. What I love, by the way, about this man for people... tuning in is you've always done the shows that I've done, you've always said that. It was arguing like...

Cats in... What did you say? Cats in the sack. Cats in the sack. I don't know which fight's more, actually. No, three prime ministers. And actually, yes, 34%. But frighteningly, so many people who listen to talk, you know, we're about common sense. And they say, how...

how is this Labour Party? And this is another example, you know, dumbing down education. This is interesting, Jennifer, get this. You ready for this? She has just Googled what the three R's for and it's come back, reduce, reuse and recycle. Is that true?

I mean, my God, that's another. Don't start me on that. This is ridiculous. Mark in Croydon. Morning, Mark. Hope you're OK. I do think the education needs reform as we don't really teach things people need, such as finance skills, practical skills. The issue is the education system, I think.

too idealistic and left-wing. They want to push an agenda on kids. How about saving money, cooking, common sense? All those sorts of things. It's true, isn't it? We were having the big debate yesterday about... businesses about the fact that we can't get people to sell business anymore, partly because they're all getting battered by our friend at number 11. But also, actually, we don't do business education. Kids don't learn about the benefits of saving money of work.

building a business those real skills that could actually generate them a bit of cash, but also generate cash for the Treasury, we don't teach them those things. We don't teach them the real subjects they need to be learning. It's not actually in my three main news stories today, but I want to talk to you about Rachel Thieves yesterday. Before that...

This is interesting. I mentioned earlier that Sick Note Britain is costing £200 billion. Apparently kids can't go to school or work because they're suffering from anxiety. Good morning, Laura.

morning jeremy laura in wiltshire re-sick note britain i was in salisbury yesterday parked near a mcdonald's about 11 o'clock in the morning there were queues of people maybe about 10 15 with big home delivery bags getting ready to load up who is at home getting mcdonald's on a tuesday morning at 11 i wonder

She's so posh, isn't she? Who is at home on a Tuesday morning getting back? She's right, though, isn't she? You finish about 10, don't you? Yeah, I don't eat McDonald's. She doesn't get a body like this by 18 McDonald's. Can I just ask you as the Deputy Chairman of the Tory party, Reeves Waffle Bob?

as it says in front of the Daily Mail this morning. The speech was all bluster and lies, but one thing is very clear. Every striver in the land is about to be clobbered for her and the Labour Party's complete incompetence. I thought it was absolutely... unbelievably ridiculous, that speech yesterday. She didn't say what she's going to do, but you and I know exactly what Rachel Reeves is going to do on November the 26th.

Well, the problem is, I don't know how much worse it can get. When you look at what's happening, I mean, I don't think actually the public have picked up to how bad things are. I think when you say our businesses are closing at the fastest rate since the world economic crash, when things went completely off the cliff before. businesses were closing at the same rate if we're in that position if 17 more people are joining the dole queue and are unemployed

What does that mean to what gets spent tomorrow? If you're not working, if you're not earning, if you're not able to provide for your family, if you're not able to live out your dreams, you then have to rely on the state to fund you, which means all those guys sat in the car this morning on the way to work, they're all going to be paying for more people. to be on benefits. It's terrifying.

It's only going to get worse. And as a true Tory, actually, genuinely to you for once, it must frustrate you so much that the problems that your party went through and the fact that you lost sight of what I've talked about many times, our traditional Tory values, which is low...

tax encouraging growth by encouraging business celebrating success building just a feeling of of attainment that all of this is being crushed under this mad labour ideology of as you said earlier everybody's got to be the same We don't like success. Nobody's worked out, have they, in her damn department, that anybody who's successful, all these people apparently who are leaving the United Kingdom, people who have made a lot of money, built businesses, employed people, paid...

millions to the exchequer in tax are going to disappear off to Dubai and will lose that as well. I don't understand. I don't know whether they're just mad or they're just full of hatred for anybody that's ever achieved anything. It's so...

narrow-minded, in my opinion, and dangerous. Well, they just want to tie... I mean, we had a big debate yesterday in Parliament around the fact that, you know, you've got this unemployment bill coming down the line where anybody who dares to employ anybody, not only are they paying all this money...

NNI and being taxed to death for it they're then going to be tied up in red tape where everything is on the side of dodgy employees actually making it harder for anybody who wants to take the punt employ someone, create a job and the people who lose out are the people who end up out of work but more importantly it's the young people because you can't take the risk of employing the young person anymore so they don't get their foot on the job ladder

It's a disaster and it's getting worse. Isn't it interesting? Isn't it right, actually, not interesting to say that... And you're only 42 and single. Isn't it interesting to... We'll talk more about that. Isn't it interesting to say that... I mean, I'm old enough to remember 79 and what the Labour Party is... always done I said it yesterday is not spend what they earn they spend more to

compliment their union mates or whatever. We then end up in a situation where we are borrowing so much, we go to the IMF on bended knee, they give us a loan, we pay ridiculously large amounts of interest, and the country is skin. I'd go back for a reason. You know, the one thing that I always thought about the Tory party for years and years was that those fiscal responsibilities, the law and order, the military, the borders, and that went. That must frustrate me.

you so much because this is madness. Financially, I think she's probably the most incompetent chancellor I've ever, ever witnessed in my 60 years. The education thing this morning, it isn't an overreaction to say it's frightening. We've got loads of response. Mick in Wellington, to protect pupils and staff.

Ah, CCTV must be installed in classrooms and university tutorial rooms. I worry about what's being told. Paul from Manchester. Morning, mate. It says morning, Matt. The school curriculum is broken. When I was at school, I learnt woodwork, metalwork and home economics.

He could have gone out and got a real job, made things, did things. No, sign on. No, come on. No, no, no, no, no. For goodness sake, why not sign on? Do you know what? I shouldn't do this, but I'm going to. A member of my family, he signed on.

when he was going through what he was going through. And actually, the reason he signed on was he was getting more doing bugger all every week than going to work in a McDonald's or in a basic job. And I don't understand that. I always thought that the welfare state was to say, you know what? you're in hard moments we'll support you but we're now in a situation where it it seems to help people who aren't prepared to put anything in and then when you do go there and you go oh by the way I've

I've worked for 10 years. I'm having a hard time. You can't have anything. On the economy, says Sean in Bridlington. Have you been to Bridlington? I have. Beautiful place. Go on your holidays. I was off at a summer season there. I'm joking. I'm dissolving my limited company today. It was to be an AI tech...

business we've been developing since April. I no longer see the point in doing it. It's ridiculous. I'm chucking it in. He's one of hundreds of people across the country doing exactly the same thing. Looking at what the government's doing to people who dare to get up early, to go out to work, to try and earn a living and create jobs.

and they're having to make these decisions. It's horrifying. It has real consequences for people. Let's listen to Rachel Reeves. This is Previous Promises on Tax. Just to refresh. Conservatives are now the party of high tax. On their watch, the tax burden is the highest in 70 years. I worked as an economist at the Bank of England before entering politics. I know what it takes to run a successful economy. I believe in sound money.

and in public spending that's kept under control. I did not come into politics to raise taxes on working people. So my promise to you is this. Labour will not put up your income tax, national insurance, or VAT. Let's just fast forward to yesterday, because that wasn't yesterday, that was some time ago. This was yesterday, Rachel Rees. I will make the choices necessary to deliver strong foundations for our economy.

My budget, led by this government's values of fairness and opportunity, and focused entirely on the priorities of the British people, protecting our NHS, reducing... our national debt and improving the cost of living. She's a liar, isn't she? Somebody asked yesterday in the House of Commons, they said, would she know the truth if it hit her in the face, given her a sloppy CV, given her pledges on tax, and it was ruled out. The Speaker would not let them ask the question. But, I mean, it's...

It's terrifying. All these pledges to get behind the wheel of the car and drive this country off the edge of the cliff and they get away with it. But who haven't they lied to? Which promise have they not broken? If you're a pensioner, if you're a farmer, if you're a small business person.

If you're a waspy woman, if you're a farmer, if you're a pensioner, all of us. And I think that, I mean, we'll move on and we'll talk about Sick Note Britain later, but I think there is a growing, and I've said this many times and I make no apology, I just think that... For years, we've all done our bit and behaved as impeccably as we can. But when the country's skint...

And food is three times more. And electricity prices, energy prices go up. And when you feel like you're still putting it in and others are getting more and the government doesn't even listen, I think the silent majority have had it, mate. And I'm not conspiratorial. I'm not... I'm not saying any of that. I'm saying I think the silent majority have suddenly gone, do you know what? My voice matters. This was your leader. You know, can we have had an idea?

Yeah, yeah. She described the speech yesterday as a waffle bomb. Have a watch. Chancellor's speech was one long waffle bomb. A laundry list, a laundry list of excuses. She blamed absolutely everybody else for her. own choices, her own decisions, her own failures. She claims she will focus on the priorities of the British public. Whose priority is it to pay more tax? It is basic economics. that if you tax something, you get less of it. Remember those graduates who aren't finding work?

Some people are blaming AI. It's not AI's fault. You can draw a direct line between what Rachel Reeves did in the budget last year and the dire prospects that many of those graduates are facing now. I'm going to tell you a story briefly before we go to a break. I told it before on Drive. A friend of mine's partner has... kids and one of the daughters is dating a young man who got a first class honours degree in economics from Durham University. Nine.

GCSEs, four A-levels, the equivalent of... He'd done internships... Good Northern University. Yeah, and wanted to work in the finance business. Spent a year and sent 200 applications. for jobs and never heard anything back and was told by a friend of his and this is absolutely on my life was told by a friend of his to change on his application two words. He wrote non-binary and he was given four interviews in the next two weeks.

The world's gone mad, Matt Vickers. If only you'd studied some climate change subject, you'd have been, you know... So there you are. If you're going to school, by the way, you won't be learning about the three hours. You'll be learning about a decolonisation of books because you need to be diverse. You'll be learning about net...

and to spot fake news, which is what we'll be talking about after this break. The day 12 months ago that Donald Trump won a second term. Loads about him on the show this morning. But first of all, a man who... was in Parliament for 30 years, who reached the high echelons of office, the Deputy Speaker of the House of Commons, and is now into about his third year of writing his book, and he travels across the world to exotic locations. Where will we find Nigel Evans on a Wednesday?

Good morning, Jeremy. I'm in Hiawatley in Cheshire. Everywhere. The man's got... properties everywhere. Good morning, Nights. Lovely to have you on. Welcome to... My name's Nigel Evans, not Rachel Reid. Well, yeah, there you go. Yeah, well, we can talk about that. The day that Donald Trump won a second term a year ago, my friend, today.

Yeah, yeah, and congratulations to him. He's really... turning america around and making a lot of people in america proud and he's even you know dragging world leaders to the other parts of the earth just to have photo opportunities with him when a few years ago they were rubbishing him as being irrelevant.

I just think he's done a tremendous job for the United States of America. I just wish that he was in charge of Britain. Well, let's talk about the job that's just taking place. And you, again, like Matt Vickers, very, very interesting. You're honest about the abject failures of the last 14 years that have allowed this lot to be in power. Let's start with the, I think, astonishingly bad news this morning. They're accused of educational vandalism, the Labour Party.

their new plans, they're going to tear up the national curriculum. Proposals today will see the... I don't even know what the hell this means, Nigel. Decolonisation of books and texts to boost diversity. They're going to teach primary children about... netstupidzero and how to deal with fake news. You were an MP for 30 years. This is Barking Mad, isn't it?

Yeah, it is barking mad. And one of the best education ministers we ever had was Sir Nick Gibb. And he's already rubbished what the government's about to do. I just want kids to be able to spell diversity, not learn about it. You know, they'll learn.

They'll learn enough in the real world when they get out there. But I want them to be able to spell. I want them to be able to do maths. If they want to earn a ton of money, if there's any youngsters listening to the programme this morning, just do maths. Because coding and artificial intelligence is where it's all happening. And that's where you're going to make the money, not by doing...

Dare I say it, Jeremy? Media studies. If you did media studies to get where you are. Certainly not, I didn't do media studies. I never did. No, but it's true. I don't understand. I don't understand the ideology behind this. Why is the Labour... party intent on dumbing down the education. I've long argued, we've argued, we've had the conversation before that education should be more practical. But this is, what about the three R's? What about maths and English? What is wrong with people?

Yeah, maths and English is where it's at and history as well. Learning, not this thing about decolonising. I think we should be... teaching people about the history of the United Kingdom and yes that things like slavery where clearly we got it wrong but we are talking about a different generation.

And I think that that is important. So it's basically, I guess, what they're about to do in educational terms is what some people have done in the past, which is tear down statues rather than learning about what the people.

did in the past to have a statue put up for them in the first place. So I think it is educational vandalism and the kids are going to be all the poorer for it. And don't forget, We are competing against, I guess, if you're growing up in Britain, right, you're competing against kids from other countries where hopefully this educational vandalism isn't happening, but also kids here are going to be competing against kids from...

whose parents have sent them to private schools where this educational vandalism won't be happening, where they will be learning reading, writing and arithmetic, where they will be... uh be being tested to the very highest levels and they're the ones who are going to succeed so just because you're going to get an easy ride between the ages of 5 and 18 at school

means that you're going to get a rougher ride from 19 onwards. So I think we just need to wake up. We need to instill in our youngsters the real disciplines that education can give them, which is going to provide them with huge rewards later on. I find it interesting. We took a text earlier. If you Google the three R's, you just... Repeat what you just said. What are the three R's?

reading, writing and arithmetic. If you Google it nowadays, it's resend, reuse and recycle. And you think I'm joking, don't you? It is to me. We're laughing, but it's appalling. Now, I will prove to you, ladies and gentlemen, that Nigel Evans had a very good education, was an MP for 30 years.

a deputy speaker and might never speak to me again. Little test for you. Everybody's going to do it this morning. You didn't know about this. What a 9.8. 76. No, 72. I cannot believe, I cannot believe you've got that wrong. That's terrible, Evans. It's called part seven, Jeremy. It doesn't matter. You can't. Oh, my God. Right. How do you spell correct? I used to work in a shop, you know, and my grandfather started it in 1932.

And we started without a till, you know. We had a bit of paper and a pen. Well, I bet you gave away more than you actually took if your math was like that, mate. How do you spell? My father made no money. Yeah. How do you spell curriculum? Nigel Evans, come on. Oh, C-U-R-R-I-C-U-L-U-M. Oh, that's good. One out of two, we'll give you that. Let's move on to that.

appalling story yesterday about the BBC. Did you see that Dr Trump speech? Did you see it? For people who are tuning in, I do want to play it again because the BBC is under pressure today. There's new accusations about the coverage of the Israeli... Hamas conflict, and there's accusations that they've minimised Israelis suffering the BBC, still refusing to call Hamas a terrorist organisation. This is yet another example of how our state broadcaster is a bias ideologically based.

left-wing bloated waste of space. This was yesterday. For anybody who missed it, firstly, you'll see what Panorama, one of their main news stations, shows, put out about Donald Trump over the Capitol riots. and then you'll see what he actually said. It's unbelievable. Play it, please, Marky. We're going to walk down to the capital, and I'll be there with you, and we fight. We fight like hell. We're going to walk down...

to the Capitol. And we're going to cheer on our brave senators and congressmen and women. Nigel Evans being serious for a moment. What on earth? needs to be done about the BBC, because I think they are well past their sell date, genuinely. No, I agree, actually, and I very rarely, and I mean rarely, watch the BBC, and I haven't done so for 10 years. because I've always seen it as bias but never more so than when

It is engineered in the way that it is. There are two sorts of bias. There's the bias where you think, well, actually, the interviewer is clearly coming from a certain political mindset. When you actually start splicing videos to say something completely different, indeed the opposite to what somebody intended to say.

I think that is sinister. A fish rots from the head down and Tim Davey has to go. There's absolutely no two ways about it. Tim Davey has got to take responsibility for this. So you've got the Donald Trump stuff and now you've got the report saying that they are basically anti-Israel and in the reporting that they are doing on the BBC Foreign Service is absolutely appalling. I was thinking actually yesterday about the Donald Trump story. I'm...

Tim Davy is absolutely silent. I've been looking to see what he's been saying, and he's absolutely been saying... Well, think about the Bob Villan guy at Glastonbury. He was there. He allowed that to be streamed for five hours. Blatant anti-Semitism. I don't know how Tim Davy survives. I don't know why...

Whether government or somebody in authority is not calling for his immediate resignation. We're all about to pay a ton more money in the licence because this government is now deciding, even though, and it's absolutely provable... that fewer and fewer people in this country are watching the BBC. They're getting their entertainment from Netflix or from Amazon. They are going on YouTube.

They're looking at your channel. They're looking at GB News. They're looking at a number, a variety of sources. And the BBC is diminishing every year. And yet we're all being forced to pay more money for it. I've never believed, Nigel. I've never believed in the environment that we are in and how terrestrial television and...

Every single part of broadcasting and media has changed how the BBC has the goal, OK, to not be a subscription-based organisation. If it is about quality, if it is about what... No, not even quality. If it's about what you're offering... then you get judged by the people who want to be involved in that. They have sat there for years and taken the money. But what's even worse than that, because politicians seemingly don't want to do anything about it, what's worse...

is they are absolutely ideologically based and without being conspiratorial again. When you look at what we've talked about in terms of education, what's being pushed on our kids, what's being pushed on us by our state broadcaster, disgusting. Yeah. And whilst the license fee continues, they're going to continue in the same vein as they always have done over the decades. Times have moved on. I mean, I mentioned a number of sources where people are getting their news, a lot of youngsters.

are getting their news from Instagram and TikTok. The bleeding reality is what it is. And so for us to continue to supporting a fossilized system, which has now been proven to be completely biased by engineering, I think is, I don't want my money to go to this organization, full stop. Couldn't agree more. Very quickly, you've been great. Sick note, Britain is costing £200 billion a year. John Lewis, ex-boss Charlie Mayfield, says...

in a report, half of young people are not working because of anxiety and bad nerves. What message does that send? 30 seconds, Nigel. Yeah, £212 billion if Rachel Reeves is looking to fill that black hole. She needs to tell the GPs to stop issuing these amazing number of sick notes to young people, tell them to get off their backsides and get to work. Do you know, just very quickly, Susan said yesterday after Rachel Reeves' awful waffle bomb speech,

£2 billion was wiped off the stock market as the pound plummeted. She can't last, can she, Nigel? No, for a number of reasons, and the property licence fiasco is just one of them. I don't trust a word, she says. Her last... budget was a fiasco. This one's going to be a fiasco as well. There must be 13 million pensioners out there, Jeremy, not looking forward to November the 26th because she is going to raid their pensions. She is going to punish.

uh people who have been working all their lives we've been talking about a ton of people who haven't got off their backsides there are pensioners out there who are going to get an absolute roasting because she can't manage britain's budget

Couldn't sum it up better. We love having you on Nigel. Good luck with the book. Nigel Evans, former deputy speaker of the House of Commons. Talk, of course, is about common sense. And the only politician I know that ever held the role of minister for common sense is next this morning. Esther, my old mucker McVeigh. Good morning. How are you?

Good morning. It was a nickname for Minister Without Portfolio in the Cabinet Office, which actually people like Mandelson held under Tony Blair. It's a post that's gone back for 100 years, but I like the name the Minister of Commerce. Because that is what the country needs more than ever. I'd like to suggest that I'm not your PR expert. Never.

Never associate yourself with Peter Mandelson. You're infinitely better than that lowlife. I certainly wouldn't. And I've never done any of the things he's done. And I've never referred to Epstein as yum, yum. or sent him letters. I thought... And that's why he's no longer the ambassador to America. Shame on him. Yeah, yum yum's a donut-esque. Now, listen, yesterday I lost 26 minutes of my life from 8.02 to 8.28.

When Rachel Reeves delivered the most boring slash ridiculous slash frightening speech ever. But I just want to play for everybody who's just tuning in. Previously... Rachel Reeves, apparently an economist, our Chancellor, said this about tax. Have a listen, peeps.

Conservatives are now the party of high tax. On their watch, the tax burden is the highest in 70 years. I worked as an economist at the Bank of England before entering politics. I know what it takes to run a successful economy. I believe in sound money. and in public spending that's kept under control. I did not come into politics to raise taxes on working people. So my promise to you is this. Labour will not put up your income tax, national insurance,

or VAT. Bear in mind that was 15 months ago. This was yesterday, peeps. I will make the choices necessary to deliver strong foundations for our economy. My budget, led by this government's values of fairness and opportunity, and focused entirely on the priorities of the British people, protecting our NHS, reducing... our national debt and improving the cost of living. Esther, on a serious note, this proves without doubt that the Labour Party are and always have been a one-trick pony, which is...

we will raise taxes to give our mates pay rises until we bankrupt this country, right? Absolutely, and ever thus. I have to say, Rachel Reeves there looked like a broken... woman yeah i think she is she came into the job and it seemed to her that the only uh qualification she needed was the work she'd done and then we saw it was you know the work done at the bank of england then we found out it was a fake cv

She banged on that she was the first woman to be the chancellor. Not that she had to be a good chancellor, not that she had to get the economy going. And I just think she's completely out of her depth. And I think it's just dawned on her now she's out of her depth and this ideology that she had has all now proved to be wrong. The fact that she thought you could tax jobs.

and we get more of them. Doesn't know basic economics, tax anything, and you actually get less of it. And since she's been in office, unemployment has gone up every month. Inflation is now more or less doubled since they came into power. Borrowing is going through the roof, as is debt. So everything she touched. Everything she thought was the right thing to do has proved to be the wrong thing to do. I agree with you about being out of her depth. And I think we talk about Starmer.

They're inextricably linked, and I think that's the only reason that she survives. I mean, it's been called a waffle bomb, it's a tax warning. It's the old adage, though. If you promise everybody everything, when you have to actually... start paying out, you end up in trouble. I mean, I said this an hour ago. If you come to power, if we'd come to power, right, and somebody said, Jez, we're 20 billion in debt.

Well, I'd have created a situation where I tried to get rid of that before I started again. But she gave 11 billion to the junior doctors who were back for more. She gave 16 billion.

to the Mauritian people and the Chagos Islands, which means they're not paying income tax for 12 months. And yet the British people, the silent majority, are struggling. And I just think she is... totally incompetent, and I genuinely believe within months we'll be on our knees to the IMF and it will be the same old Labour story, which is that inflation will be at ridiculous levels, unemployment, and the country will be...

And I have to ask you, I know we're mates, exactly what I asked Matt Vickers earlier. It must stick in your... crore to think that the mistakes that your party made, the chaos that symbolised the end, the fact the British people had stopped listening, has allowed this shower, Esther, to even be anywhere near government. Because that's how I feel about it.

It upsets me that Labour got into office. I also wonder when they were running for office. And I said this at the time, nobody ever asked Labour. what they were going to do. It seemed it was good enough. that it was just going to be changed. And the only thing that the media also wants to talk about was this super majority, not how are you going to turn the economy around? Remember, we're still recovering. Do you know what I think that was, though, with respect?

Do you know why I think that was? I don't think anybody asked because I think that everybody had stopped listening to the Tory party and I think that was the danger, Esther. I think that the Tories could have in the end offered us anything and most people would have gone... Now, listen, you've had 14 years and let us down. And that is the fear, because these people, the woman that planned the first 100 days was gone on day 93, Sue Gray, for God's sake. Well, then, if it's a lesson going forward.

And we, the Tory party has to take its responsibility and things. Although, you know, there was a whole host of things that had gone wrong. I don't think we'd ever thought, you know, what a lockdown would do, what, you know, furlough would cost.

um people not going to i think there was a whole host of things the first war in europe but i think what we have to learn from this at the next general election the question has to be not pointing out what's wrong we all know what's wrong but how are you going to change that and who is going to change that

And I think that needs to be key. And we're all going to have to ask those questions because they got in, really. They did get a free pass, Labour getting into office. And we're now seeing what a disaster they are.

And we're all suffering. You see, the problem is now we're all suffering. They are awful. Yet we are all suffering. Well, let's talk about the other. I mean, that's financially. I mean, Rachel Reid's incompetent at the best of it. And I agree with you today. They've been accused of this frightens me as a parent.

educational vandalism. One of the good things the Tories did was education. They planned to tear up the national curriculum. Proposals announced today as we'll see the, I've no idea what this means, mate, decolonisation of books and texts to help... push diversity, and they're going to teach my Oliver climate change and how to spot fake news. And when we Googled, and I'm not even joking, what are the three R's this morning? Reading, writing, and...

Today on Google it says resend, reuse and recycle, and I'm not joking. That's what's happened to this country. Unbelievable. You said, you know... vandalism it is it is criminal what they were they're going to do now I was taught as I was growing up you know knowledge is power Do well at school and get your exams and you'll get a good job. You know, hard work never hurts anybody. But this was about social mobility. This is allowing people from all different backgrounds to...

completely compete with what would be the upper classes, the educated classes, the well-connected classes. What this Labour government is doing is taking the ladder away, I would say, from most people ever working. class background because you won't be able to compete. with the Indias, the Chinese, you know, the Indian kids, Chinese kids, those now of the emerging nations because they do maths from morning to night because they're looking at what are the jobs of the future. They are in school.

But this is what I don't get, Esther. Maybe you can help me. You were the Minister of Common Sense. Why would you want to dumb down... A future generation. A future generation that learns, that has something to offer, makes your society successful. Why would the Labour Party, in your mind, want to dumb down the next generation? I don't get it. Well, it makes me cynical.

Because that means that they're either being indoctrinated with a left-wing ideology which says... this is what it is this climate change decolonization not being proud of your nation being an internationalist rather than nationalist so i think there's that and then it's about control because if we're all dumber

A, it makes them look brighter, but they are going to be in control. So I don't like this at all. I think I've always thought you need the building blocks so you can choose what's right or wrong. You need to know the facts. and you need to know them, you know, maths, science, whatever it is, English, languages. They're now allowing teachers to give their opinion.

Because this is untested theories, climate change, or we've also had it with gender. You know, again, you know, just, I guess they're untested theories. And also, I mean, I used to hate in school. There was one teacher who used to come in and talk, call me by my first name. And what we're going to do today is sit round and discuss what she wants to discuss. And you know what? That was the class that most people got the worst grades in.

So she didn't help us, you know, espousing her left-wing views. And actually taking that point on to something very quickly, because I do want to talk to you about the BBC, but... This report, this dumbing down of the younger generation, the report by Sir Charlie Moffield, ex-John Lewis boss this morning, that says that we're spending 200 billion a year, 212 billion on sick note, basically, and before everybody jumps up and down...

says there are people. Yes, there are. There are. But frighteningly in this, and there are people who take advantage of this, and frighteningly in this report, we learned this morning as to that half of young people are not working because of anxiety and bad nerves.

Honestly, I don't know. Maybe I'm missing the point. If you sit everybody cross-legged and try and teach them about climate change and you don't teach them about the real world where you have to start at the bottom and you'll have knocks and you'll have bad days and you'll have good days and you don't just give... Give up and throw your hands in and go, oh, I'm mentally ill. Yes, there are people with mental illness before you all started me and Esther would know that better than me. But...

but from a job in government. It has become just a soft touch, man. What happened to aspiration? What happened to wanting to climb the ladder and achieve something? These... These politicians are dumbing down the whole thing, I think, for this generation. And I look at kids now, so many of them teenagers, and just think, you're entitled and you're lazy and I'm really sorry and I'm not sure it's your fault, but it's dreadful.

I think, you know, people need to build resilience. And school is a wonderful place to learn resilience in a safe environment. So you know what? I didn't come top of this whatever exam. And you know what? I got a bad grade for my home. And do you know what? I didn't hum first in the egg and spoon or the sack race or whatever it is. And that's fine. And then we have a laugh about it. And then if it's really important to you, you make sure next time you do come talk, right? And it's a safe space.

to do that now if you're not doing it there you're going to make yourself very vulnerable later in life because you haven't had the knockbacks but it's a bit like going the gym you do gentle weights at first and then you go to the more complicated one and that is life And I think we need to build that and put that in children because I would say unhappy people, and I'd say there's a general malaise in this country at the moment.

and that unhappiness i've always been taught has come from non-fulfillment because you really deep down would love to be doing something You never got the grades in school, and if they dumbed down this curriculum, you're not going to get it. I really wanted to travel, but you know what now? I don't have the money because I'm on benefits rather than in a job. I'd love to have a girlfriend or a boyfriend, but you know what? Because I'm sat in the living room.

watching the telly by myself. I now don't have the social, you know, I don't know, nights out girlfriends or whatever. I'm not meeting anybody. And this government is doing that, dumbing us down. isolating us and filling this country with everybody feels either sick to the back teeth or depressed. The sooner this lot are out, the better. I need joy. I need hard work. I need, you know, as you say, fun. I need to go out there competing and then feeling, you know, good when I've achieved something.

I complete... God, I agree with you. I haven't got long. 30 seconds. I'm not going to play the clip. Yesterday, the BBC... Doctor to Trump clip about the Capitol riots. Absolutely outrageous. The BBC, the day they want to increase the licence fee, I don't know how Tim Davies survives. They've had the IDF chance by Bob Villain that streamed for five hours. The BBC today accused of minimising...

Israeli suffering, refusing to call her mass terrorists. You were the minister of common sense. Why doesn't some politician, as briefly as you can do this, do something about this outdated, ideologically based, woke organisation that are supposed... to be our state broadcaster and I think are as anti-British as this government increasingly, Esther. Well, I think the only thing they could do now is get rid of the licence fee.

If people want to watch it, they pay for it. If they think it's great value for money, if you want to listen to that, you do. But it would bring them into the real world where they'd understand they actually have to.

um um provide programs for the whole nation not their biased views and now actually i think the words were it was deep pervasive bias and a chronical failure to deal with it well we don't want that we don't want to be paying a tax to be given some sort of indoctrination or some lecture and they hide behind the mask of impartial well they're not so stand on your own two feet BBC and that would then it would either shrink

because less people were watching it and listening to it, or it would grow and it would survive. So that's what I'd say in this day and age. Couldn't agree with you more. So lovely to have you on. Please be on again. We love Arresta McVeigh, former Minister for Common Sense and a Tory MB who does actually speak sense. A lot of supplement brands chase trends, but if you're serious about your health, we know research-backed science is what actually moves the needle.

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A year ago today, ladies and gentlemen, Donald Trump won the US presidential election to become the 47th president. He not only won the college vote, he won the national vote. confounding everybody, but I personally think I could have beaten Kamala Harris with a hat on. He won his term, he was sworn into office in January, and quite a lot has happened since. Let's just give you a couple of examples before we head stateside.

Let's get him... This is my favourite clip of all time. This is Donald Trump dealing with Starmer as only he could, and God, I wish more would do the same. Go for it, Donald. United Kingdom... Where's the United Kingdom? Where's our friend? Come here. Is everything going good? Very good. It's very nice that you're here. These people all came in like 20 minute notice. And I think it's fantastic. And we have so many others and just so many others.

Thank you for coming up, you odious, useless creep. Now, just disappear back. What about... This is my favourite latest one. He's spending $300 billion. No, $300 million on a new ballroom. He's ripping down the East Wing. I mean, he's just... This is him. gets criticized. This is his response. This is the ballroom clip. This is brilliant as well. Mr. President, what are you doing up there? Making a little whoop. Come down and talk to it.

What are you building? Go with the ballroom and he's on the other side. Are you considering more renovations, sir? Hello, Peter. Are you going to build up there? Aye, sir. Doesn't care. God, don't you wish we could have somebody with that just... nerve in this country. Let's cross to Phoenix. Are we going to Phoenix, Arizona? I once went there. It was bloody hot at four o'clock in the morning. From Arizona Morning News, Ladona Harvey, welcome to Talk Breakfast. How are you?

Hello, Jeremy. Good to be there. That is the greatest voice ever. Can you just do that again, please? That is fantastic. Do that again. Good morning, Jeremy. It's good to be there. I loved Phoenix. Great golf courses in Arizona. Love, love, love Phoenix. Ladona, let's talk about the Donald. I know in your country he's a figure that sort of cuts down the middle.

The same in this country, but there are many people in this country who would crave having a politician who very simply, love him or loathe him, tells you what he's going to do and shock horror bloody well does it. How refreshing. It's unusual in politics, but Donald is his own guy. President Trump in the year of his second term, and keeping in mind that we've done this dance before.

in the years since he's been elected, has continued to just poke holes in people, prod them, and not care what they think about anything at all, no matter what he's doing. What is the feeling, Donna? What is the feeling in... in the country. We talked about this Zohran Mamdani has been elected in New York. He's a communist, isn't he? But that's according to Trump. What do American people think? Because certainly he's cured the immigration.

problem on the border. He'll say he's ended eight wars. And love him or loathe him, what he's managed to do in the Middle East, no politician had done in America for 20 years. We know he does politics differently, but he's a doer, isn't he? Well, I mean, he is. You know, the interesting thing about him is he has a certain amount of bluster about him. He is very much a typical New Yorker, unlike us Phoenicians who are too hot to be that hot.

under the collar 90 percent of the time uh but that bluster worked in the middle east which nothing all of the diplomacy that we've tried over the last bajillion years, has been completely unsuccessful in the Middle East in trying to get some sort of peace, just even a ceasefire, just everybody lay down your arms and talk. At this point, this guy's the one who does it now you can love him or you can hate him but you have fewer people dying over there

because of the way that he approached that particular bit of diplomacy. It worked. You can't deny it. Let's talk about Democrat Zoran Mamdani wins the New York mayoral election last night, sweeping to victory. The 34-year-old Democrat turned his attention to Donald Trump, yelling...

I know you're watching. These people, he's only 34. Even his own Democratic Party didn't support him. Whether this is a protest vote or not, is this the future of America? Zohra Mamdani, is he going to be running for president sometime? soon.

Well, he might. I wouldn't put any money on his chances at success. He's also a product of New York. New York is its own world. For anybody who's ever been to the United States, all the rest... of us look at new york and go what is wrong with you people i lived there three years i know exactly what i mean do you know the first day i sat on the stoop i'd gone to do the show i sat on the stoop of our new house

down on 56, wherever it was, I've no idea, down on the... And I literally was sat there with a drink and a man came past me. I'm not... Don't offend anybody. On a skateboard... on my life, with a cigarette in his mouth, a monkey on his shoulder, in a tutu. And I thought, welcome to bloody New York City. That is absolutely true story.

That is absolutely New York. You have New York and Los Angeles, and then you have all the rest of us in between, like a bunch of dead armadillos in the middle of a Texas road. You know, we just don't even know what to do at this point. We're stunned and possibly infected with a weird disease. We don't know. Listen, so good to have you on. Have you ever seen the Donald Trump new watch clip? Have you ever seen this? Because I'm going to play you out with this, but...

I have not. Thank you so much. I really appreciate it. From K-Star Phoenix, Arizona, we are from the Arizona morning. She's in the make-up room. I want a job on your station. Thank you so much to Donna Harvey. Let's play the Donald Trump watch clip. the break. This is brilliant. Have a watch.

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