The Hat Man

M he was cold cold. That was the nam he was cold, Barn. What's going on up there could be the most important event in history. Now I am the cold of the destroyer worlds, I said. I hope this is close to hell. It's all ever again. Hello and welcome to the Tales from the Dark podcast. I'm your host, Bob. Here's my co host, Brittany. Hey, guys, what's up, Brittany. How's it going? It's going good? How are you? Oh, it's it's going well. It's it's a Monday, it's rainy, it's cold out of

fucking nowhere. Yeah, and after eighty degree days. Yeah, yeah, it's it's every year. Ohio does this well. But it's good because I'm gonna tell you why. Okay, it kills off the bugs and it kills off the mosquitoes. Yeah. I feel like people always say that to try and justify the nonsense. It is Ohio weather. But well I used to do that now in North Carolina too, and that it is a blessing, trust me, because you do not want mosquito nests from the get go,

all spawning and not dying. Well, it's funny because we have a young man who cuts our grass and he's been doing so for the last two three years, some stuff like that. Yeah, And he messaged me about two weeks ago, said, hey, I got some lawns that are ready to go. You might put yours on the list. I'm like, it's it's too fucking cold to be cutting grass. The next week it was seventy five eighty five all week. Ye And I texted him, I'm like, hey,

can you come next week? And he's like, I thought it was too cold. Not the long guy talking shit. Yeah, yeah, he doesn't. He does a good job. It's funny though, because I remember when we first hired him, it was just him and like a push mower, and now he's got a fucking like a little team of minions, several riding You don't need a riding mower for our for our property, but he brings one. Anyway, He's in and out like fifteen minutes. It's always

it's it's good. It's been nice. Yeah, it's been nice to watch his business grow. Yeah. So we've had a lot of folks reach out and ask what what is happening with us? Live event in May, So I don't I have to talk to Eric. I don't know if we're doing both days, We're for sure gonna be their Mates Wealthy Mates, Wealth and May thirteenth at the Thomas House, which is a location that Eric talked on our podcast about and he's talked about on his podcast a multitude of times.

So it's Mates Wealth and thirteenth. Tickets are one hundred and twenty five bucks each. I know people are gonna say, well, it's kind of expensive. Well, that includes ghost hunt, which right there, one twenty five for a ghost hunt. That's a fucking bargain. Yeah, But it also includes a room for the night, dinner and breakfast the next morning. I do love me some breakfast, but you know, so two meals plus a room at a hotel with a haunted backstory, you really can't ask for much

more. Yeah. So I'll have that posted periodically in the Tailsmo Dark facebook group, and I'll also put it up on our website at some point, probably the next week or so, but that should be. I know, you order your tickets online, so I'll make sure. I had to share Eric's full post in the group that explains where to get the tickets from, and all that stuff sounds good to me. So with that being said, miss Brittany, what else is going on in your life? Nothing much,

just been bargain. You're not going to talk about your new second family that you've amassed ever on PlayStation. Yeah, my second family. I want you to explain to the group how it went from like an Overwatch game to all of a sudden I don't see you at night anymore, because that's that's how it happened, not how that happened. Okay, I really don't know how it happened. I just got kind of adopted in this group, and they're really nice, and they're really fun to play with, and we play all

different types of games together. I can't it's literally been since I met you since I've had an online like group to play with, which was like five six years ago. It's crazy because I mean, we mout through video games that used to play with you, Matt, Danny, Frank Scott and I think that was it. And Remmy. I forgot about Remmi. We always forget about Remmy. We always I haven't talked to Remmy and so long. But once I actually moved up, we didn't really play with the guys anymore.

So I literally haven't played with anyone online consistently until this group, and they're super nice. Okay, I'm gonna actually explain how this actually happened because I was in the room. Okay, So you got backled Overwatch and it was funny. You're like, I'm just gonna play a couple of games here and there. I like Overwatch because I don't have to play like ten games in a room. I can just play one or two and I can get off and I'm happy. And I'm like, uh huh, Okay, yeah,

I know how this goes. I've I've watched you raised an entire Simon's family then murder them in the same twelve hour times. Okay, that's how you play sim not me. So she gets online with these this group and you play Support, which is really weird because you don't play support in like any other video game you play. I also play Damage, but you keep

going. You were playing support and then something happened. I think you guys were like because you you talk mad shit in the chat when you play Overwatch, which is hilarious because you tell everyone how toxic I am, but you're super Toxican League, I'm toxic and Overwatch don't catch me in that game. So they invited you to a party and I'm like, oh, this is kind of weird. And then next thing, I know, I haven't seen

you in three days, and it was just a really weird occurrence. We were like, yeah, Paula did this, and so and so did this, and he did this, and then they won't be changing it into murder, Like what what the what the fuck is It's okay, yeah, no, that's exactly what it was. But no, it's it's been nice because you get to play these games that I just like you don't like. I tried to Overwatch, I can't get into it. I tried to play Black Desert, can't get into it. I'll play the funk out of some SEMs

on occasion, but yeah, you get that random win. Yeah, you gotta get that. It it's like your Skyrom, only you know, I don't spend four days buck ass naked lay in Skyrom that. I think we've told this store on the podcast, and we'll get into today's topic in just a moment. But when Brittany first moved up, we had this really shitty two bedroom apartment that like seventy thousand other people lived in the same building. It was just it was it wasn't good, but it's everyone has that first

apartment that makes them appreciate the house they live in. Now. Yeah, and you had like four days off for BECA. I think it was like I was starting something. No, I was starting my job, and I told him I can come in now, like I can come in this week, and they told me, no, just wait till next week because I know you just moved up from North Carolina, so take take a couple of

days off. And I had when I lived in North Carolina, I'll worked two to three jobs consistently, like I barely ever had a single day off. So I had like four days off before I started training at this place. Anyway, I'll let you go ahead, and well, You're like, I'm gonna I'm gonna install Skyrim. And I was like, okay, why you know you've told me you like Skyrim, but I've never seen you play

it. And then this is a test of It was like five six o'clock in the afternoon, and I had to be up at work early the next morning, so I went to bed at like nine ten pm. I wake up at four thirty and you're still playing And this is when the This is when we had the PlayStation four in our bedroom because I brought up mine and you still had yours, so we had two separate areas, one in the living room, one in the bedroom. Yeah, so you're still playing,

and I'm like, okay, well I've done over all nighters. This not a big deal. And then I text you and I don't get a response for a while, and I come home from work and I'm like, oh, she's gonna be past the fuck out, like she's been up all night.

No, she was still playing. I barely remember this, Ben, But what was funny is you were fully clothed when the night started, and you progressively had gotten hot, and instead of turning in the you know, the centual air in our apartment down, you just stripped down to nothing and you're just like bundled up in this blanket. I go to bed and I shoot you not. I wake up the next day and you're like, I'm getting kind of tired, and I'm like, you haven't slept in thirty six

hours. Go to sleep. You texted me at my lunch break, I think I'm gonna lay down now up. You wake up around eight pm, You come out, take a shower, and then go right back to Skyrim. This went on for like four days give or take, before you finally were like, I beat it. I'm like you what, I beat the game. I think I'm gonna take a break from video games for a couple of days. I'm like, you fucking better because you have to go back to your big girl job here soon, and none of them want to hear

about how you're the fucking dragon born. Trust me, it's my resume actually that, and you're the Sapphire Star. Yeah exactly. Okay, so what's funny about today's episode? So people have been asking for a hat Man episode for a while, and I never thought there was really enough like sustenance there because it's it's like a recent phenomenon. Well it's so it's been since the early two thousands, but it's been more of like a creepy pasta type situation.

So I'm like, I love creepy pastas, don't get me wrong, but I like to cover them all in one big episode, like my favorite creepy pastas, because usually there's not enough for a full hour, hour and a half long episode. Well, I saw this TikTok the other day I'm gonna play it for you guys, because you don't need to see it,

you just need to hear the audio. And I noticed that there was like six hundred thousand likes and over fifteen thousand comments, because what it is is it's a doctor m reacting to like popular TikTok trends that have to do with medication. Yeah. Well, we've all heard the drill. They take ten ben a drill and they see the hat man. Yeah, so I'm like, when no one's actually doing this, oh I was wrong, and the r slash hat man read it. There are people like, just just did

a four hundred fifty milligram dose of ben a drill. Guys know what happens and don't do this. Yeah. So I realized I'm like, oh, this is a fucking problem, Like because I was, you know, young and done at one point in time. I'm like, at fifteen, if all I thought benadril did was make you tired or get rid of allergies, I wouldn't think this was like a dangerous thing to take a ton of. Don't do this, yeah, And I was like, oh god, people

are gonna overdose. Yeah, so I'm gonna play this TikTok, and then we're gonna dive into everything head first. Okay, let's do it. But I can't take DNA drill because I owe the hat Man money and I just don't see him. So lately, since I've been talking about Benadril and the dangers of this medication, I've been seeing comments lately about this hat Man character, and I had no idea what it was about. So I did a little bit of a deep dive into it, and it's a little disturbing.

Since the late two thousands, people have been reporting on the Internet seeing this figure called hat Man, and this blog has been running since the late two thousands sharing stories about people's encounters with this individual. The idea that somebody may owe the hat Man money is nothing new. This is a tweet from October twenty twenty two talking about that. Other people talk about visiting the Hatman as

well. There are even whole subreddits talking about the hat Man. One of my biggest concerns as a physician is stuff like this that's floating around, where people may say they're going to have an appointment with the Hatman in relation to taking this medication. High doses of this medication can be life threatening, so please don't play around with this. So that that's kind of where it opened my eyes to being like, well, is this a real thing? Yeah?

Is this actually happening? Yeah, because we talked about the ideas of Tolpa's an egregrse here on the show, where a the idea behind a character, let's say the hat Man, and people believing and manifesting it can actually cause it to potentially exist. Yes, So it's it's not that I don't have a belief that this hat Man like entity does exist. My issue, and we're gonna I'm gonna tackle this in a few different ways. So I'm going to start by giving kind of a history, a back round of this

hat Man character, how it came into existence. Then we're going to dive into an actual thesis us wanted for their doctorate regarding rim sleep sleep paralysis were to a quick comparison between the Hatman and some other entities that kind of overlap or seem to be the same. And then we're gonna read from the actual Hatman project blog, which is, like the guy said in the video, there a place where people can both tell their stories. But it's also the

point of the blog. The guy's writing a book about the hat Man because he had an encounter, and then he made this word press blog, which is very It's actually interesting. It's very similar. It's set up almost identical to how we have our submit your stories on our but instead of going to the email, these get posted directly to his website. So there's a lot.

What do you know about the Hatman before we kind of dive into this apart from the meme culture, so I know the most recent one was Aaron Rodgers, who's the Packers quarterback, went on an Ayahuasca journey and he won't stop talking about the hat Man. That's that's the recent meme. It's it's not a true tweeting, you know, it's not a he did go in Ayawaska journey. That's a whole other conversation. What do you know about the hot Man, like outside of mean culture? I mean, I really don't

know that much. I know Austin's talk to us about the hat Man before personally about he's had he's had some experiences with the hat Man. I thankfully have not had any experiences with the hat Man. Knock on wood, and I'm not going to because fuck all that, But you have had experience with both sleep paralysis and shadow people. Yeah, but it's not the hat Man, and the hat Man can stay far the fuck away. Okay, Well,

what we're gonna find him. What we're going to discuss though, is what if the hat Man think of him like a demi boss or the final boss of the shadow people? Oh? God, probably. Well we had the discussion about the old woman in our old apartment where I had sleep paralysis and have the same one that. Yeah. Yeah, So it's one of those things where it's like, is this just a certain variant of shadow people?

Well, he can stay far away from me. No. But I thought it was a recent phenomenal on just because over the last year a lot more people it's become more mainstream to talk about the hat Man, whether that be memes or people actually having experiences. I don't think I actually realized it's been something that's been happening since the early two thousands, because remain like the Russian sleep experiment, the Mister Spoons or whatever it was, slender Man,

all that was my kind of creepy passingers. Salad fingers, respect salad fingers in this house. Now we know, yes, we do no that though. Yeah, well it's kind of interesting to see how far creepy passas have come and then what happens to them once they engage with the mainstream, right, because it's you know, you you grew up on the marketplier, the beautypie who were playing these like yeah, these indy horror games that started as creepy passas. And I think the new biggest one now is like the SEP

Sleep prow or whatever that are called. That's a whole thing. Well it's not new sep. SEPs have been happening for quite a few years now because the game's not that new. I think it's like seven years old, if not more. No, the newest one is the fascination with like poppies playtime

and oh yeah, you know what I'm talking about. And like there's been this new like rise of these indie games of people playing in like these like toddler and kidlike areas where because you associate kids and and their playgrounds and daycares with innocence, well a lot of people are using that to their advantage for horror games like where you should feel safe, where it should be Oh, I understand playful and colorful. It's not. It's a fucking horror horror scenes.

What was the other The back rooms where it was like the office back rooms still freak me out. Yeah, the back rooms are weird because I'm confident I had dreams about the back rooms before any of this stuff was a whole, like an internet phenomenon. Yeah, the back rooms are terrifying. Just what's interesting And I would love to do a poll. I bet security guards are twice as afraid of the back rooms is anywhere else. Let me explain why. My first security job, I worked night shift for um the

like on training or so. I remember why I was on night shift, but they were like, yeah, um, you know the offices can be kind of creepy at night. I'm like, when i'd done rounds. Rounds is basically when you patrol the buildings, make sure the doors are locked, that sort of thing. Yeah, I was always with a person, like I was with my trainer, and I'm like, uh, it's not fucking scary. But you know, when you're walking through, you're talking with somebody,

you're joking around, the fears not there. But when you're by yourself the first time in these back office rooms, that haven't been updated since the late nineties. They have the yellow fluorescent fucking bulbs that are half of them are going out. It can be terrifying. And that's when I saw the back rooms. I'm like, oh, I've been to these. Oh I work at these. I hate this. Yeah, oh no, thank you.

Okay, So let's let's kind of dive into the shadow people, the hat Man, all of this and kind of begin to I want to tear this down before we kind of dive into the actual hat Man encounters. Yeah. So, dark apparitions that reveal themselves while you're sleeping are scary enough, but of all the shadow people that visit you at night, the hat Man may be the most creepy. It's been discovered that there are many different classes of shadow people, and this terrifying man with a hat is among them.

He's been spotted all over the world, and according to people who have shared their stories, the hat Man has apparently been around for a while. So that was what surprised me the most. As these hat Man encounters are, it's not a US thing, so it's not like it kind of caught fire here on Reddit. There were Reddit posts from like oh five, oh six, and then you look and there's Reddit post from Indonesia from O one seeing this stuff. Okay, so it's not often that you kind of get that

tie over internationally where Now, granted we can play Devil's advocate. The post from five oh six could have seen the Indonesian post from O one and just copied it, but still it's kind of weird to see it go international. Yeah, so, what are shadow people? It's certainly it's certainly these dark apparitions aren't human. With all kinds of theories about their existence, from time travelers to aliens, no one really knows who they are or what they came

from. The hat Man is believed to be one of them, and although he's extremely mysterious, many witnesses claim he's over six feet tall and always wears a hat. According to the creepy stories about this phantom hat Man, he appears during times of emotional turmoil or distress and will often observe you as he sleeps. Who or what is the Phantom hat Man humanity may never know, but if he ever pays you a visit, consider yourself special. So that's

kind of the introduction to the background of the hat Man. What I find interesting is I have found stories from the UK that describe this guy as almost a grimlin three and a half to four feet tall, but the US version is six to ten feet tall. Yeah. I don't know what I think about that, but I do think it's interesting that there he's coming in a time of liminal chaos. They're associating, even subconsciously, not knowing what the

term is of implications of it, of being in a liminal state. And we've discussed UFO stories, bigfoot, cryptids, all of these different things appearing during these liminal states. Yeah, so it's a very interesting crossover that you don't see very often, or at least it's not talked about very often. Yeah, in cases like this. So it goes on here. The hat Man is said to wear a fedora or a top hat, a trench coat,

and have glowing red eyes. What if the hat Man is just the souls of all the redditors on our slash nice guys who are just He's malated himself into the shadow realm Okay, I'm According to everyone who's been in contact with him, the hat Man appears to be a completely dark figure like other

shadow people. The obvious difference is that the hat man wears a hat which is just which it has appeared as a top hat in some sightings, and a fedora and others, while many people who are unable to make out what he's wearing, some reports seeing old fashioned clothing, a long trench coat or a cape. And he always appears to be at least six feet tall, with the exception of the UK slidings, where he's been described as three and a half to four feet tall. So this kind of touches based on what

I just talked about what is weird about shadow people. That hat man, I think is the only figure that I know of that kind of has its own classification where clothing can be seen. Because we've had a run in with shadow children or what we perceive to be children, and we have we have a video of this up on our TikTok account. I don't know of a

single other case where anything is described with having clothing. I would say that I would say they're normally described with clothing, but you can't see the details of what, Like if I looked at your shadow, I couldn't tell what you're wearing. Okay, I think he's wearing pants and a shirt, but you don't actually, because to me, this almost moves classifications from shadow person to apparition. Yeah, if you can see details of what they're wearing,

yeah, I would say more apparition. And that's the problem that we've talked about a tunnel on this show is it's really hard when you start to kind of merge these idea. Yeah, the creature, various types of hauntings, whatever you want to call them, because it takes you away from everything, can co exist if we have to put them in their own box. And I hate that. My brain instantly went to, well, it's not really a shadow person if it has clothes. I don't know. This one's a

little weird for me. The Hatman is also usually indistinguishable, but many who he has visited it have claimed that he had glowing red eyes, unlike shadow people. There have also been reports that the hat Man carries a gold watch attached by a chain to his belt and will occasionally look at it. Okay, so yeah, this is definitely an apparition because there's but that's weird the

gold watch because that has demonic implications. But we've all we all have heard the you know, he wears a slight jacket and a gold watch describing the devil. No, really, never that you didn't listen to the Devil Wars product growing up then, because the dogs, dogs and girl beards all over. Just because Devil wears praduct made that made a song, a metal song about that doesn't mean that's that it's lamented into history, but it is because

the folk. But that comes from studying of demonology. The devil's been described. I mean, hell culture will discusses the devil wears a suit and tie, like the whole thing, the Devil wears praduct. It's a there's a whole movie about it that has nothing to do with demons. But it's actually a really good movie. I like it. You don't, I digress? I I do believe that. I Where where did the gold pocket watch come from? So the gold pocket watch is meant to represent the greed of man

because back in the day, your grandpappy would love nothing more. What was the I mean, we're talking cutting edge of style in nineteen twenties gold pocket watch. You pulled out the handkerchief you had. Oh the young lady saw your gold pocket watch. She knew that you made it, and you had money so you would trade your soul to the devil for that gold pocket watch. But again, what would that What would the modern equivalent of a gold pocket watch be? Probably like a lambo? A lambo? What are those

fucking pit vipers pit viper sunglasses a few years ago? I don't know anything about. I wear black shirts every single day. I have three pairs of pants. I don't I don't know what the modern equipment. Yeah, i'd Saylambert too much variety when it comes to our modern yeah society, I would just say like a car, a flashy car, or pitt vipers. I'm just wanting you to agree with. So, although some have claimed the hat

man has attacked them, he's usually content with just to watch. So this is where I think we cross that line of are you seeing a hat man or are you being attacked by a shadow person? Because I have read several encounters of a shadow person opening a door, and I haven't read very manipulating the physical realm. Yeah, so while I haven't read many stores of shadow people attacking, I would assume if they can open a door, they can probably smack the shit out of you. Well Tony Felosi, who works with

we should have Tony on this episode. Yeah, we should have. We should talk Tony about this and come in for a part two. Because Tony Felosi down in Lynch, Kentucky and Harlan Uh, he works very very that's

his Niche basically a shadow people. He works with a lot of different people down there in the hollers with shadow people experiences, and he's had some pretty terrifying stories that he's told us. Well, what's interesting, And I find it is interesting that the shadow of person phenomenon is so prevalent in the Appalachi Appalachian region. I don't even want to just say the mountains because then just

this northern southern regions of Appalachia, there's a lot of these encounters. And what makes me curious is I wonder if the shadow people, in comparison to your traditional apparition is quite literally the everlasting remark of energy. Because we know how old, we think we know how old the Appalachians are. We know they're older than bone. I don't think we've ever actually, I don't think

we ever actually been able to tell how old these mountains are. But you would assume with that much energy, and we're talking people traversing through these mountains since the beginning the dawn of history. I guess it probably isn't that crazy that there's so many hauntings, specifically of shadow people, that these shadows, these shadows shadow people, Jesus excuse me, could be actual manifestations from the mountains. Yeah, I don't know. We just cracked it. Episodes over

played. So people who claim the hat man attacked them tell stories about being jumped on or choked and have experienced burning in their chests and tingling in their scalp. That wasn't a hat person. That was the old woman from my apartment, because she sat on my chest and I remember this like it was last night. That shit was terrifying. Yeah. I'm still not a d convinced that I was not asleep, because I have had some very insane dreams,

especially the past couple of years. But I'm known to have an overactive imagination, especially in the dark when I'm asleep. So this sounds more like what I experienced, which I fully believe that you have your apparitions that are that in between stages in shadow and your full bodied apparitions. I think that's what I experienced more than just saying it was a shadow of an old woman,

because I know it was an old woman. But I've experienced this whole something on your chest, the inability to breathe, thinking that you're going to die, that level of panic, especially when you're first waking up. Is there's nothing else like it that I can describe. Yeah, I don't want God that shake gives me the chills because I can experience that without saying the apparitions. Well, I mean you were there that night that it happened.

It was fucking terrifying. I'm talking about my sleep paralysis. Yeah, well, we're gonna dive like, so we're gonna discuss sleep paralysis and why I think it plays a part in this because rims sleep is a very weird, weird thing that your brain does. Like finding out that that you release some of the same chemical compounds of DMT during rim sleep, that's that can't be a coincidence. Yeah, we'll get to that in just a little bit.

Um. So he tends to stay longer than the shadows then most shadow people as well, has been spotted watching people in the mirror, bending over them while they sleep, or just hanging out in the corner with a creepy smile on his face. So again, now we're getting further away from the traditional shadow people. We're seeing facial expressions, we're able to see his eyes, gold pocket, pocket watch, hat clothing. I think we're getting into full

body apparitions. Yeah, apparitions, and I'm not going to I know, someone gonna say it's a demon. It's not a fuck. Demons aren't real. We've been over this. This guy's just a fucking weirdo. He's probably just like a clock person, a clock. Yeah, what is the there's a word, there's a name for those people who do clocks as a living, that sell fucking watches. He's probably just like trying to sell you a watch. He's just like really aggressive about it. A clock person, optometrist.

Now I think it's an eye doctor. I don't know, it doesn't matter, but he's probably what he's probably a clock guy. Perhaps not attacking a person and simply observing them from afar. It's much more terrifying, especially since many people insist the hat Man has a solid form unlike other shadow people. Then, while shadow people tend to disappear when it's time for them to leave, the hat Man has been seen floating above the ground or just walking

away. What is scarier if they just fucking disappear. If you watch him walk like into your kitchen, probably walking into my kitchen because I think he's an actual intruder. Yeah, so I would get into that fight or flight mode, want to kick his ass, and then when I try to kick his ass, either can't move or can't touch him. I wonder if there's any stories about a redneck just fucking opening blast. Oh the fucking hat man.

He's swinging his fucking pocket watch trying to reflect the bullets that he's dead pool. The matrix is all over again. Oh man, that's that's that's fucking that's a movie right there. You're welcome. Okay, so now we get into the hat man often appears during times of trauma, aggression, or other negative emotional disturbances. Okay, So my issue before we even get to that point is throughout history, there's been a lot of different instances of these

different types of manifestations of your emotions. There have literally been creatures of the deep, like the deep ocean, the deep water that will come out during times of anger, of war, of her to famine. And while these are more mainstream topics and not like like overarching themes of a community, yea, rather than an independent person's feelings. That has been a consistent thing that

we've done throughout humanity. Is I am trying to understand if it's the fact that they couldn't understand what their emotions were and so they had to create something to help understand it. If I making sense, Yes, they weren't able to emotionally, they weren't able to be like, Okay, I'm sad or I'm upset or I'm angry. So it's I need to do this. Yeah, so I need to create something that embodies the emotion. Yeah, that's

what you're saying. So there have been different types of creatures like that throughout history, but I don't think that's what hat Man is, but he sounds very similar to it. Yeah. Well, I love that you brought up the creatures of the deep because I was listening to a podcast. I listen to a bunch of podcast shorts on YouTube because I'm trying to find more podcasts

that I like. The problem is, I have a very short attention span, So sitting down for an hour and committing an hour to anything is fucking hard. There were these two navy seals discussing things and they were talking about they were the Mariana Trench. They were over there at one point, and they got on the topic of sea monsters and he said, you know, I had an instructor tell me if you look, you're gonna see them,

So you're better off just not looking straight down in the water. And they both were like instantly changing the topic to like, well, we don't want to talk about what we've seen. Because the one guy was like a submarine

commander. It would spend months underground, and he discussed like the depressurization and everything that has to occur, and he told a very brief story about how they were far under water and they had no contact for two months or something crazy like that, and one night, about three o'clock in the morning,

they hit something. They hit it hard enough that it spun their submarine all the way around and put them like not off traffic to the left or right, but they went back in the direction from yeah, And they said that the guy was like, had had to be a giant squid. That's the only thing that he can think of. And the guy's like, you know, Meglodon's has been spotted in those waters. And then they change the topic and I'm like, you can't just you can't just taste me like that.

You gotta tell me more. Yeah, And it's like, well, either you guys know what you're doing and you have people hooked, or this actually fucking happened. Yeah, okay, so I'm doing that. I'm not going in the water. Something about deep sea creatures just scare the shit out of me. Yeah, but it's it's the same thing with aliens. So like, you don't see him until you start to look, and it's I would imagine the same thing will be said for open water excursions. You don't see

these things until you start to look for him. I don't like it. I don't like it. Y'all can have that, Yeah, you can have someone else can do that. In many cases, the hat Man seems to be hanging around areas where there are negative emotions taking place, such as households have experienced domestic abuse, fighting, or depressed family members. Some people believe that the hat Man is a demon and sent to bring those who are about

to die to hell, and others think he is demonic. Now, I still am of the impression that in our current society, when we don't fully understand something, especially those that still have the strong Christian core beliefs, we just go with its demonic. And we were just having a discussion. We watched a handful of movies over the past couple of days. For one, Dungeons and Dragons fucking phenomenal. If you go on with the expectations this is

a campaign, it's ten times funnier. Yeah, But we watched another one that Man on Earth. No, that was that's a that's a Patreon episode right there, but yeah, I got to talk about that over there. Then we watched what was the Devil's Peak, Devil's Peak that took place in

appalachia'suposually in the western North Carolina Appalachia. I'm just gonna go ahead and say that, I seriously, I know I'm gonna get off topic here, but I am thinking that I'm going through the damn Mandela effect because so many movies and documentaries are saying Appalachia, and I know I got my ass freamed as a kid for saying Appalachia or anything that wasn't Appalachia. So I know I'm not saying it wrong, and you're not gonna convince me otherwise. Get it

right if you're gonna make a movie about that area. Correct. But my point was Billy Bob Thornton's character. There's a point where he speaks to his ex wife and she said, the devil's got its hand on you. Devil's

got its hold on you. And it just reminded me of things like this where when we don't have a grasp of something that's especially otherworldly in nature, there is a certain subgroup of people who always jump to it's the devil well because it sees a great or concepts in life that make it easy for humanity

to understand. We always need a way to explain our surroundings and what we're experiencing, and if it's something that should not be happening, we attribute it to these greater than life's ideologies because that's what makes it easiest for our brain to say, Okay, this is why that's happening. So most people, when raised in a Christian home or in some form of Christianity, will attribute

it to God, the devil, or to angels or demons. Very well, said I think doctor Calm Kellerhurst said it best in my opinion when he said the greatest sin of man is when we when we see something is what did you say, when we see something that is not immediately lightened nature, we cast it into the dark. And he was discussing upology as a whole because his hed gone to his church. This is when he was younger,

first getting into ufology in his church. Said that's you know, the UFOs to the devil, devil's work these this is the devil pointing away from God. That's all this is. And he remembered thinking like, there isn't there. It's entirely possible for science and religion to coexist. We're just choosing to look away because it's easier and it fits a certain narrative more than another.

Yeah, yeah, I can see that. It's it's it's tough. So back to the hat man here, um, Heidi Hollis may be able to go maybe able to back that statement up with a story that a German soldier told her about witnessing the hat man, asking who he was and being told Scratch, an old nickname for the devil. Hollis also were kind of the story of a suicidal man who woke up to find himself in the hospital and

the hat Man close by. According to the story, the hat Man quickly disappeared after the man woke up, but not before saying I almost had you. So now the Hatman steam and he's a reaper type of supernatural. Definitely would have done an episode about the hat Man, but they were still going on. Yeah, they might have. We haven't gone through all of that. I'm still in season seven, which I know I'm gonna get a whole lou of that's the worst season. You just got a power through. I

know I'm trying. I'm doing the best I can. Some people believe the Hatman emits a very powerful negative energy and feeds off the fear he causes. So I'm really interested in this because I went down the remember that vampire show. I was watching what we Do in the Shadows. Yes, so there's

there's the emotional vampire. So I found out that the emotional vampire actually has a grip and there's an historical significance of the emotional vampire, and kings and queens of yesterday would have these people around them who were able to deflate a room when they didn't want to be there anymore. Yeah, what yeah, like they would basically suck the life out of the room by either being super negative or well, I've got a story, and then the story would would

go on for three hours and have nothing to do with the conversation. But they were They believe that that was the basis for the emotional Empire arc that then took place in the twentieth century. Don't be an emotional vampire. Don't be an emotional f I fucking love what we do in the show's a child. It's such a good show. We have two different definitions of good shows. People can usually feel when they're being watched, and a gaze from the

hat Man is no exception. Many of also noted a very dark energy emitted from him, and they say they immediately knew he was extremely evil, and they very like and very like they wanted to kill them some kind of feeling

the hat Man is enjoying their fear and actually feeding off fit. It is possible, however, that since most people who witness the hat Man are usually already fearful, angry, or other emotionally charged states thanks to whatever the negative thing is going on in their life, they associate that the hat Man is making these negative fears to him. Because he appears in so many different situations and occasionally to several people in the same family, there isn't really a clear

explanation if he's truly evil and why he appears to so many people. I can actually explain this very easily. People's fear has a way of completely indoctrinating them into a core belief system. And I've seen this during ghost hunts where we've had not recently, but when I was in high school and we'd have Tyler and I would be the we're ghost hunters, and then there'd be seven buddies who just didn't believe in the ship. When something would happen and you

hear they're we're telling we saw a demon. You would hear Tyler, Tyler wouldn't see anything, and I'd be like, well, no, I saw you a shadow go by. But my account versus their account, I was terrified. I could feel it was evil. It was approaching me. It

almost had me. Again. We go back to the understand the misunderstanding as categorization of these things, of instantly making them have to be evil because we don't know, our brains can't compute what the fuck is going on, it shouldn't be happening, and so our brain needs to rationalize why it happens. And to add on to that, which was a very good point to add on to that, fear and these different types of emotions manipulate your brain.

Your brain operates completely different on fear and survival state than it would being happy and healthy and growing. We actually had when I used to work at the school system. I went through to a conference because we worked with a lot of people who are impoverished, children who are impoverished, and you know, we're in a lot of different bad situations, and so we learned about the

effects of fear and survival on a child's brain in that situation. Then you know, a regular learning state of a child I have, but it's still applicable for adults as well. It can literally alter how you are perceiving your own reality absolutely so, I mean we don't even know the full extent of how much damage. I don't even want to say damage, because it's literally

just changing your brain. So if you're constantly in a state of chaos of her a fear of being sad, it will alter your perception of reality. Yeah, and it can be both ways. It can mean that you have a heightened sense of fear and everything is terrifying, or I've seen the opposite. I've been I've been with investigators who drew up in a very volatile household where you get in these locations and they're they're not afraid of anything. Like

you'll hear a wolf hound. They're not afraid of the wolf because they've dealt with that wolf their entire fucking life. And it's really interesting now that you bring that up, that I have seen this, and I think that's a good way to distinguish certain investigators from one another, because again, if you're like you said, if you're used to this, you may put it in a separate box in your brain and it might mean something completely different to you

than it does to me. And I think a great representation that is Randolph County. We were told by a bunch of different people after we went that it's demons, it's invested with demons, it's that place is pure fucking evil, And I'm like, I never once felt anything evil demonic there. I felt more scared and like for my life, like in eastern Kentucky in those caves, then I did in Randolph County. Yeah, and the thing is, like, I stand by what I said before we released a Phantom Farm.

I believe I can't the most convincing evidence of the paranormal whatever we want to call it, in existence, at least in my modern lifetime on a high quality camera. And I never once thought demon. I thought, this thing is fucking playing with us. It's it's it's it's having a good time. Yeah, it's having a good time at our expense, but nonetheless it's having I'd never feel like it was going to attack me. And even when you were afraid in the base room, you never once said I'm afraid to

be in here, I'm afraid to be alone. Yeah. It was always there's some fuckery of foot Yeah, because there was. There definitely was. So yeah, I mean this is that could be an episode all on its own. It's just the psychology. Yeah, breaking down the paradigms of the paranormal. Yeah, no, I agree with that. Okay, So like shadow people, the hat man often hears when people are experiencing sleep paralysis.

Sleep paralysis is a sleep disorder that scientists believe. Oh, actually we're going to dive into that, so I'm going to skip that subsection because we're going to dive into sleep proalysis like as a whole, and I don't want this to kind of summarize certain things. So the last thing I want to talk about about his back story. He's been taking Sorry, He's been seen all

over the world, making the hat Man a global phenomenon. This is what interests me the most, and I feel like it's gonna go over a lot of people's heads with why I find this important, but I still think it's pretty fucking cool. In two thousand and one, the subject of shadow people was first introduced to the mainstream via Coast to Coast AM. So this is actually wrong. It was before the Coast to Coast to Coast to Coast interview

happened thirty days after the first post. After the broadcast, many people sit in drawings and what they had seen seen and shared stories about their own experiences with shadow people. Author and Strange Encounter enthusiast Heidi Hollis that had in two thousand and eight that there was a commonly seen shadow person she named hat Man, and people all over the world claimed to have been visited by him as

well. No one expected so many people to have these experiences with hat Man or shadow people, but the similarity of people's stories have given the creepy dark Man a lot of popularity and more credibility for other people. There have been over thirteen thousand sidings not from the US, in twenty twenty three alone, in twenty twenty three alone, So again we're making this with the assumption that this isn't people just doing it for the hype, jumping on the the fun

train. We see this in like our slash Fear all the time, in our Slash No Sleep, where like a big a good example this is the

park rangers stories. There was a thing back in like two thousand and nine through two thousand and ten where there were park rangers who were being let go, and then during the pandemic as well, park rangers are being let go, and so they were spending time on Reddit sharing these encounters of just weird shit in the parks, not always supernatural, but sometimes just fucking bad hill

abilities or people just doing weird shit out in the parks. Well, after every time you'd have this little wave of what I would consider credible reports, there would be a fucking wave of yeah, and then you would find like similarities between the posts from two thousand and six. It's like, oh, weird, you guys are in the exact same spot on the exact same day, at the exact same time. Yeah, I'm sure you were, so okay before we dive into the sleep prows of stuff? Where are you at

with hat Man? So far? Are we still thinking shadow person going towards apparition? Where we act? I don't know, because I think it's more manfestation than anything, because he means so much, He means such different things to so many different people. I think it's more like an aggregor in my

opinion. Okay, let me ask you this. Is it possible that what people are experiencing initially first thirty seconds is the shadow person phenomenon, and then their brain, in an attempt to rationalize what they're seeing, turns this completely nonsensical being being a shadow person into that hat Man? Yeah, I could. I could see that. I get a in that way. That's what I've kind of a loss as for a while. Yeah, because a lot of it is association, like I see you, but this is how I

interpret you exactly. Okay, Yeah, okay, so now this is from an actual someone did this? Did this for their thesis for their doctrine. All right, and this is going to be kind of just diving into sleep paralysis, so we have an understanding of what it is and why this could be occurring. Rapid eye movement or REM sleep for good reasons, is referred to as paradoxyl sleep. Our blood pressure, heart rate, and breathing become elevated. And I'm not even gonna try. Okay, I'm gonna try to

pronounce this so a nurse can correct me. Electro and philography great pronunciation or EG records A record show a peculiar low voltage and mixed frequency pattern, and in fact, the firing pattern of most neurons during REM sleep resemble those of wakefulness. So it's measuring the activity of your brain. Yeah, an eeg. And in some case is neurons fire and even more intense burst being like

lateral. Why so, how your brain is communicating is through your neurons, and it's like a web of connectors of your nerves and that's how they communicate. Like pain through your body can tell you what area it goes to. And so they're measuring it's literally electromagnetic energy that's being emitted by those neurons, if I remember correctly, And so that's how they're measuring your activity because the more electromagnetic energy, the more active your neurons are. Yes, thank you

amana science. So anyway, in some cases these neurons are firing and even more intense burst during rim sleep. Then when we're awake, this is not that would mean heightened activity. That means you're experiencing something. Yeah, like if you're running and in a marathon or something you're I hadn't know if his coal activity has anything to do with neuron activity, but it's a heightened state basically. Yeah. Some people have described when it comes to rem sleep the

same thing that happens to take ayahuasca. Ayahuasca is a much shorter journey, but psilocybin mushrooms for to six hours DMT fifteen minutes, it can it's actually a very similar replication of rim sleep, but in a very enhanced and direct way. Whereas rim sleep is kind of all over your brain when you take

these psychedelics, it's a direct path to these locations. And let me tell you something else that's weird about rim sleep is we were always under the impression and science for a very long time that we slept because we needed to rest, and because we were sleeping, everything else was resting. So it was thought that our brain was like basically turned off during this time. It didn't

have a lot of activity. But not only was that wrong, it has heightened activity that can be more than what we use on a day to day basis, which is weird. Well, what's interesting about that. There was a study done not too long ago over like recreational marijuana users to use it can system Like we're talking daily and how sometimes when they take a break and then they smoke again and they sleep and said, yeah, this is the

best teap I've ever had. Well, it's because I might be quoting this wrong with when I understood when you have that break and your body begins to kind of normalize, get back to regular levels. The end take a THHC is putting your brain into overdrive with rem sleep. So you're going into rim sleep much faster and you're staying in it much longer, and because of that,

your brain is literally exhausting itself. So when you wake up you feel refreshed, but kind of foggy because your brain's been working non time all night long. Yeah, interesting stuff. This is not all too surprising, as we have our most vivid and emotionally charged dreams during rem sleep, often involving a complex story plot. In order for us to not act out these dreams potentially hurt ourselves, our brain has an ingenious solution. It leaves us temporarily

paralyzed from head to toe. This parole prolysis is triggered by the ponds, including the ponite recticular formation I can read, I promise, and virtual meridial. I don't know what this means, but basically, it suppresses your skeletal muscle tone during RIM sleep via inhibition or of motor neurons and the spinal cord. There's actually been some reported people who never pull out of RIM sleep and it causes like short form paralysis, like like they wake up, but their

body never wakes up. I wonder how you would fix that. You'd have to send like a shock. I have no idea. It just mentioned it here is a fun fact, So I just threw it out. I threw it out like it was just like in my brain already. But occasionally, perceptual activation occurs when we start to wake up mentally while under the quote unquote spell I love that. During a thesis they use the word spell of rim paralysis. The result is a curious condition called sleep paralysis, where the person

is left trapped unable to move or speak upon falling asleep or awakening. So occasionally, during sleep paralysis, the sensory system is clear and oscular and respiratory movements remain intact, culminating into a state of semi consciousness or coupled with body paralysis. That's when you're awake. You can but you can't move. You can look around the room, and it's terrifying. Well, once only thought to arise in the context of narcolepsy, we now know that twenty percent of

the general population have sleep paralysis episodes. During some paralysis, the vivid and sometimes terrifying dreams of rem sleep can spell over into emerging wakefulness. Hypno gadgetape, hypno hYP and o g ogic Hallucinations occur in all century modalities hYP hYP n o g o gic and then the next the next words spelled the same, we would have some fucking m stone in there for some reason some science

words. Anyway, Hallucinations occure and all sensory modalities, including out of body experiences and sensing seeing the presence of menacing intruders in one's bedroom can't occur. So this was taken back in twenty fourteen. This thesis was so this isn't like a new thing by stretch of the imagination. And I think this was like the medical science's answer for sleep paralysis demons, which is what's funny because growing up, that's what they were called, and now we call them the

shadow people. Um, I don't know, really know. I'm not entirely convinced that I don't have a group of little fucking gnomes that live in my my, my closet. We've been over this a few different times. I'm confident that on certain things that I've done, I will wake up and I will be talking to these things that live in our closet. I've cleans, don't ask. I'm not making this up. I'm COMPI in there. They are these two little fucking gnome like creatures and just like that old credibility just

sap it up. I've tried to get them to come up and sit on the bed. They won't do it. It's a whole thing, that's a whole conversation scouting you for inviting them in. It's they're already here. They are, They're already in the closet. I'm just inviting them to talk to me and stop fucking poking their little heads out because we actually bearing mama just

in mome costumes. There was a time where I was convinced that it was small cat who was just creepy because he has a way of getting in the bedroom and he will hobble on the bed and then you'll think he left the room, but he actually like creeped around and got underneath the bed. It's weird, but there was. There have been a few times from like that fucking cat has convinced me that there are gnomes that live in my fucking I'm a thirty year old man who thinks that there are gnomes in my closet.

And we've got like these two curtains that shut our walk in closet, and I'm like, and you'll see their little heads poke out of where the curtains meet in the middle. It doesn't matter, but that's why you sleep on that side of the bed. Yeah, So okay, so now I want to have a conversation, you know, real fast about this hat Man phenomenon bleeding over into uphology. Okay, there are certain ufologists who are convinced that

the hat man is no more than a man in black. Yeah, So why people are believing this, it is because there was It's kind of difficult to go back, but we had to go back to the Flying Saucers and Three Men book and that it was in nineteen sixty two. It was summarized very well in the Mothban Prophecies by John kieltake Shot and also Bender wrote about

this. There's been a bunch of people who have summarized this book. It's relatively thin, but it explored the idea of men in black coming to you in a dream state versus through the channels when you're changing your radio or appearing to you as a physical being. Well, let me just go ahead and

say something real quick. So if you are truly in a heightened state of neuron activity, and we don't really know what that equivalates to, we don't know the repercussions of that to its full extent, just based on spirituality and a lot of things that people talk about with a cult activity of trying to get to a heightened sense, a heightened state in your mind of yourself.

Yeah, you would be more susceptible to communicate with these other beings, these other realms and things like that in that rim state than you would during your normal waking state. Just something to kind of put out there. So it would make sense to me that you would be able to talk to a Men in Black type creature or person during that heightened sense. Yeah, if we put the if we take it at face value, Yeah, I just kind

of wanted to put that out there. So I wanted to bring this up because it does beg an interesting fact because the idea of men and Black appearing to you in anything from dreams to dropping in thoughts into your brain to a physical manifestation of them knock you on your front door. It's not a new

thought. This goes back to the forties and the fifties during the original like I would say, the origin of the Men in Black in the beginning, and John Keel discusses us very well talking about the devil coming to your doorstep in West Virginia where he was technically confused down the line by this fan whereas Card broken down outside a point pleasant and he knocked on the door asking for a fucking phone, almost got shot in the face. Yeah, multiple times,

because he had to go to multiple houses. Well, one of these people ended up talking to Mary Hire seeing the fucking devil came to my door. Yeah. Then this was later recalled to John Keel several years later where he was miss confused. Like he was, he was misidentified as a devil, a man in black, and then John Keel all in the same night. And he had this funny quote like I say, I don't know which

one's worse. Oh, I don't know which one's worse to come to come to your doorstep in the middle of the night, John Keel, the devil are men in black. But it was always funny because people thought that they were bringing him a new story that was actually him from the get go. So I wanted to bring that up because it's it's not very often that we have a I'm gonna say the hat Man's more in the paranormal field crossed into the you know, the indo ufology, and there's a lot of ufologists who

think, no look to the sky after a hat Man encounter. I uarantee you see something interesting. But the question is, and I have to bring this up. Is this just one field trying to claim another cooler thing from another field. It could be. It could be, but it's also all connected in my opinions, so like you'll never really know. Yeah, so now I want to read two or three things off the Hatman Project. So I definitely encourage you guys go to the Hatman project dot com support this.

There's not a lot of these pair of blogs out there that are left, especially not ones who were attempting to put a spotlight on people's encounters. Yeah, yeah, a personal encounter. So this one is titled dark Walker, and it was not submitted by anybody's It just says by admin, so I'm guessing it that's who approved it. On a summer evening in twenty eighteen, I was walking back from my neighborhood corner store after a short ten minute trip.

I always look back after every corner, even though my neighborhood is usually peaceful, but this was beginning was the beginning of my worst experience living here ever. I was about three street blocks away from my house and corner. There were very bright led lamp lights, providing excellent visibility even in the fog. As I was walking and getting closer to my house, I looked back, as I normally do, to see who else was out in the evening.

That's why I saw it. It was walking and standing at least six and a half feet tall. It was completely solid black. It had no face, no toes, and no fingers. It was just an upright black figure. Even as it walked under the super bright corner light pole, it stayed in its form. I had no sense of being afraid. This is interesting because he's not asleep. No, he's just walking home. So is the hat man getting stronger? Is it? Did it malady its way into

I don't know. I knew if it was anywhere. I'm sorry, I had no sense of being afraid. I knew if it was anyone else, the hairs on their skin would have lifted up and they would have been terrified. But for some reason, I had no fear, just a sense of curiosity and a little anger. Brittany, as this sew as it came to the corner of the street that walked next to a corner la pole and put

its arm behind it where I could not see. It made a swirling motion twice, and then hunched down and stepped into behind the light pole, which was made of iron. It did not come out of the other side. I watched for fifteen seconds before it disappeared from sight. I walked back, feeling angry because I felt like I was being followed. I had to find out the truth it had been following me. It was still near me.

It's pressure made a static sound. It had a very bad odor. It also loved to scratch human skin and talked in a different sound of communication with its kind. They were invisible to our eyes, but to rh negatives, we could pick up some traces of their noises. So RH negative isn't that blood type like the new blood type. I have no idea. You should google this real fast. While I'm reading them, we could pick up on some traces of their noises, while others could not or didn't even notice it.

I concluded that it was evil and was an entity of fallen extraterrestrials also known as fallen angels. One evening, while I was lying down, I was getting annoyed of it pestering me visibly just being a few feet away as always. I ended up swatting at it, trying to shoot away like a stray animal. Once I was done, part of my finger was somewhat moist. I smell my finger, then put it to the of my tongue. Don't ever do that. If your finger smells funny, don't put it in

your mouth. Goddamn. I never wanted to vomit more in my life. My stomach was hurling for the heaviest for at least an hour. I had to drink vinegar and brush my teeth a few times. The vision I received from its invisible liquid was that of I'm sorry, bro, I don't mean to laugh, but I you know what's happening. I'm over here researching RH. I'll give you a TLDR. At the end, I had to drink

vinegar and brush my teeth a few times. The vision I received from its invisible liquid was that it was forced very unwillingly from a bright subject from above. I also saw a massive formation of its kind on dry land longer than the eye can see. Being RH negative now has become a change of reality for me. I saw what I saw, and I know what I know all by myself. I found that I have a gift too. With a poem on my hands, I can always pick up and know the direction of

north south, eastern wats without using a compass. That just took a really weird direction. Maybe we shouldn't keep these blocks open. Yeah, I might have spoken to you soon. Okay, what is RH negative RH negative? So you have classification of O A or B positive or negative, and it's a further classification of if r H is a protein as on the outside of a blood cells RH factor and if if you are RH positive, if you have the protein, you're RH negative if you do not have the protein.

If you do not have the protein, you can still donate to people who do have the protein. If you have the protein, you can only like give blood to people who have the protein. Okay, Well, the TLDR of this is he all this thing outside? It followed him back in. Okay, it stayed around for a while. He stuck out his finger, The finger got wet, He smelled it, then tasted it and not a hallucination for all the men out there. Girls, go ahead and turn off

the podcast for a minute. If you ever stick your finger in something and you don't know what it is and it comes back moist, never ever, ever let your fucking what is what are those called intrusive thoughts take over and stick it in your mouth. Why if Papa Paranormal taught you anything like Look, I'm from the nineties. I heard, you know, looking lick before you stick. I heard that. But don't don't stick random fluids in your mouth. People. It's twenty twenty three. I shouldn't have to say that.

You should all be grown ups. But please don't put random liquids in your mouth. Oh god, what is interesting about this though? And I can't believe I was. I'm able to find a segue here, but I'm you gotta do it, profess. Recently, over on Missing Person's Mysteries, we did our first episode of Subscribers Stories and there was a war veteran who described these um beings. I think he was staying at his He was staying at a family's friend. If you guys go go find the subscriber Stories number

one on the channel. A war veteran was staying at a sister's home. He was staying at some home in California. These entities came in. They were coming into his house. He couldn't see them, but he heard them the static noises. There is some cross over here between these two beings. Yeah, I have heard he didn't sticking his finger in them though, as far as I know, or maybe he's just too a shame he might have cut that part of that might have been the last paragraph I forgot to read.

I don't know. But what is interesting is that the static noises. That's something that I have read about in dozens of cases when it comes to the paranormal and some ephological sites where people see a craft and they follow the craft and they hear these static And when I think, when I say static, I mean the high resonation noises of say a power poll. Isn't that the same sound you here with radiation too? I don't, I don't, I don't know. It might be. I don't. I don't actually know.

Let me update this. Don't stick any radioactivity in your mouth either. I shouldn't have to say these things, but I just don't do that. Guy. I don't know. Because that took a turn. I thought, Oh, he saw a hat man during the daytime. He went to the corner store. Goun'm smokes. No, now he's licking it. Where did we go wrong? Don't I'm gonna we need a T shirt. Don't put the hat man in your mouth. That's the next Telson with our T shirt.

I shouldn't have to say that. Oh God, if you see him, you know, fight him yourself, take him out, cross apples, taking out to dinner. I feel like there's some steps that should have happened before you put his goo in your mouth. That's all I'm saying. Okay, moving on one more story here for the episode is over. Did you proofread this one? No, okay, I'm not going to Here we go,

So this one starts. Hello. My name is Edward, and okay, this is already Terrible's names Edward. And when I was around ten or eleven, we lived in a small town west of Austin, Texas. We had a trailer house that was adjacent to the house we both lived in. One night in the spring of seventy eight or seventy nine, so this prefaces the two thousand and one siding. Then I was sleeping in my grandma's bed,

waiting for to come home and then go to my bed. I woke up some time in the late evening, upper body upright in bed, dripping with sweat, and just started to start I'm sorry, just staring out the door of the room into my living room. I was incredibly sick and often slept in my grandmother's bed. But I was sick. That sounds a little familiar to one of your little stories. I could not make out any features of what I was staring at. I was scared and terrified, frozen.

I saw a figure with a brimmed hat, long trench coat, no features, shadow color, and dull looking. My grandmother walked into the room right through the shadow figure and he disappeared. She saw me sitting upright, dripping with sweat, and asked what was wrong with me. I told her I was okay and with bed. I am fifty five years old, and these days I struggle to remember some things. One thing in my mind that I

can vividly remember was this incident when I was a kid. Knowing that others are experiencing the same thing is really mind blowing, and it scares me a little for some reason every time I think about what happened. First off, he should have told your nana. Yeah, nana's always want to hear the

spooky stuff. I mean, she might tell you just get over it, but still should have told her that would That's interesting though, that that kind of changes the landscape of this that it goes back way further than we thought it did if you take these stories at face. Yeah, yeah, Okay, one more here, because I know we have a lot of people who listen on the night shift. This one's titled the hat Man on Night Shift, So you're welcome. There's any goo, I'm just walking away. It

was like any other day. I decided to lie down and get some sleep before I had to go work the night shift. As I was about to fall asleep, I hit my sleep paralysis. It started off with a noise. It sounded like a helicopter blade or a plane engine. Then I started seeing black and white light flashing. As I fell deeper into sleep paralysis, the noise got louder, But I had a dream. What was happening. I was in a public bathroom and as I walked in, I saw two

black shadows. One I had long black hair, and the other I couldn't clearly see. As I closed the door, the long black haired shadow changed or charged me with a knife and then started knocking at the door as I struggled to lock it. I managed to. At this time, the noises were getting louder. Then the same dream happened again, and this time, I wasn't able to lock the door, so I held it closed. At this time, the noises were immensely loud, and the black shadow was crawling

under my stall. I don't like the story anymore? Can we go to a happier one? Yeah? Why did you choose to do this to yourself? Bob? At this very moment, everything went gray. I saw that I was on my side, so I looked to my left and there I saw him leaning over me, looking at me. It was about five seconds then in a flash, I woke up. I quickly pulled my phone out and searched the web for sleep prowess this with a man and a hat,

and the results that popped up were in fact what I saw. I've had many episodes of this, but never to a point that I had one hovering over me. I've had events where I could see them charging at me as I was laying down at the corner of my eye, but I'd always wake up before anything happened. It was an experience I wish to never have again. That's what I looked on Facebook and found this community and wanted to share my experience. Nope, fuck that, we're done. We're done with this,

We're done with these stories. This is gonna scare me. I'm a scared. I don't know. What is interesting, though, is the variances and these hat Man figures, because this is leading me to believe that this may, in fact just need to be a new grouping of shadow people. And there are multitudes of levels within the hat the hat Man arc. Yeah, as weird as that is to say, because we have gold pocket watch,

we now have super tall, super shorts gnomes. They're charging at you, and some of these trying to hurt you, not trying to hurt you. Some yeah, some have weapons, some just want to watch you sleep. There's so many walk away, some float away, some just dissipay. Yeah, and you know, as the resident expert on all things paranormal, because that's what I am. Um check the business card pop Paranormal. Okay, No, It is difficult for me though, to say these are all

the work of one being. That's again, we're assuming that these other stories are in factory. We're assuming that any of this is true and it's not just an internet meme. But if we are taking this all at face value, it would be incredibly difficult for me to say this is all the hat man rather the hat men, Yeah, and it could just be a complete subsection of of Because one thing that I've been wanting to kind of explore is we have to assume the paranormal, the UFO fields, and the cryptid fields

are adapting as the human race is adapting. And that's why we are seeing different types and new new things. Now we're no longer just seeing the little girl in Victorian clothes. We're now seeing all the modern variances. Yeah, And I wonder if it has to grow as our fear grows, or if it's just, you know, we have to assume that while they might not be on the same plane as we are in regards to what we call time,

they adapt simultaneously somehow. Yes, And maybe they're a little further behind them we are, because I would imagine about one hundred years, you're going to see some dead kids on Twitter. I feel like that's like the next lot and just like that, we're just gonna dip out of that. I'm just I'm just saying I think we're not that far off from like seeing a woman with an apple watch and like fuck, I'm wait for my pelotone.

I'm just saying buzzwords at this point, but you get my point. I do firmly believe that the paranormal is adapting and changing, and that's why we're seeing this variety. Yeah. And now, admittedly you can say that that could be driven through para television, like you they're looking for the next shock factor, but not really. Yeah, but we're not just seeing this on reality TV shows. We're seeing this on subreddits and dark places of the Internet,

where, if anything, paranormal ad TV shows are outdated. When it comes to paranormal advance, I completely agree. I refuse they're still trying to find the Victorian child. Yeah, I completely refuse to believe that they're going to someplace in n Appalachian Mountains if they're looking for a Victorian era child. That's not what they were wearing a nineteen o four down there. I'm sorry

to tell you. No, they just weren't so interesting. Nonetheless, I still don't think my opinion on the hat Man has changed as we've gone through all the all of this, except that I think there's more room for research. I think I think you're onto something when it comes to like a full

category of hot men. Yeah, I think that that's probably the best that I can categorize it now as well as an investigator, I would go into an investigation thinking it's not just it can't just be a single phenomenon, single deity, a single phenomenon. But then let me ask you this, so this will be the question we end on. Okay, how does that relate to the Great Phonograph in the Sky. Well, if you got another hour, we can tie all this together. No, I do believe that yet

again, we're just rediscovering things. What someone called ten years ago that an archangel, or'm sorry, a hundred years go an archangel or a thousand years

ago an archangel we're calling the hatman. Is the Phonograph and the sky interconnected with humanity though, because it seems like we are just doing the same things over and over, we absolutely have fundamental level and just because we have like technic technology advancements and stuff like that, when it comes to how we actually behave on a people level, on a human level, yeah, we've repeated

ourselves through history throughout time. There are several uthologists who finally believe that the adaptation of the Great Phonograph and the Sky should now be the Great MP three player in the sky, and they believe that, quite literally, we are rediscovering the discoveries. But as we're doing so, that Great Photograph is just keeping a record of not only what's happening on this plane, but the plane above, and the plane below, and the plane to the left and the

right. That's that's my current level of understanding, and I'm sure that'll change in six months, just like everything else does. But I do believe that if we start to look at the Great Photograph not as a as a negative thing of repetition, but as a timekeeping device to show where we've been, where we're going, and where we currently are, it makes a little bit more sense for it to apply to not just the human race, but also to UFOs and everything else that we discuss. So that being said, I

know some people are gonna be upset. They're expecting the Sun Vanished Part three. We're gonna do that this week, I'm gonna say, and you guys and hold me to this on Facebook. Probably Thursday. We're gonna be out of town this weekend. We're traveling. Might have some crazy fucking news beginning of next week. Fingers crossed for us, But we'll do The Sun Vanished Part three Later on this week, we have some interviews coming up. Austin

Lawrence wants to come on the show for some fucking reason. Why would he do that? Whenever he wants to come, he won't tell me. That's the thing. He's like, you guys, just gotta trust me on this one. Okay he's bringing it's fifty fifty that this could be something really good or there could just be some absolute fuckery he's about to unleas. So yeah, he called mister r Let us know over on paid on Facebook if you

guys think we should give Austin his blind chance. But we'll see. Austin's good people, but I don't know that I trust them with the public form to make all of you haunted. But with that being said, Miss Brita, unless there's a thing else that you'd like to add, I do not. I think we're not to add this episode of the hat Man to our never ending but are always growing tails from the dark. The