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Take Me To Your Leader!

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From autocratic strongmen to democratic internationalists, Hamish Macdonald examines the cultural, historical, and personal motives of people on the world stage. What would we uncover if we ask the friends, enemies, colleagues and observers to 'Take me to Your Leader!'
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Dictators & Demagogues 07: Rwanda's Paul Kagame

To many in the West, Paul Kagame is Rwanda’s saviour, the man who restored the country after its recent genocide. But those who have dealt with him inside and outside the country paint a very different and much darker picture. Guests: Noel Zihabamwe - Survivor of 1994 genocide, now a leading member of Sydney's Rwandan community Phil Clarke - Professor of International Politics at the School of Oriental and African Studies, University of London Michela Wrong - British journalist and author Produc...

Oct 04, 202428 minSeason 3Ep. 7

Dictators & Demagogues 06: Javier Milei – Argentina’s ‘mad man’

Make Argentina Great Again. That's the catchcry Javier Milei has borrowed from his friend, Donald Trump. Wildly brash (like Trump) deliberately unkempt (like Boris Johnson), Milei has made his way to the top job with no government experience and a whole lot of chutzpah. And you won’t believe who – or what – set him on this path... Guests: Dr Constanza Sanhueza - Lecturer in Political Science, Australian National University Vera Bergengruen - TIME Washington DC reporter Eduardo Amadeo - Diplomat,...

Oct 04, 202428 minSeason 3Ep. 6

Dictators & Demagogues 05: Iran's Ali Khamenei

He’s leader for life, his word is final in the highly factionalised theocratic regime of Iran and his influence extends across the flashpoints of the Middle East. Yet we know almost nothing about the Ayatollah Ali Khamenei. And as you’ll hear, his loyalists defend him as stridently as his critics attack him. Guests: John Limbert – One of the 55 American hostages held in captivity in Iran in 1979 Arash Azizi - Iranian writer and Historian. Senior lecturer in political science and history at Clems...

Oct 04, 202428 minSeason 3Ep. 5

Dictators & Demagogues 04: Hungary's Viktor Orban

At just 35 Viktor Orban, then a fiery radical, became Europe's youngest prime minister. Since then, his political brand has undergone an astonishing change. So how did the student dissident become a 21st Century demagogue? Guests: Zsuzsanna Szelenyi - Program director at the CEU Democracy Institute, former Hungarian politician and author, Tainted Democracy Viktor Orban and the Subversion of Hungary Nick Thorpe - The BBC's Central Europe correspondent Ben Wellings - Associate Professor of politic...

Oct 04, 202428 minSeason 3Ep. 4

Dictators & Demagogues 03: Indonesia's Prabowo Subianto

He’s Indonesia’s hard man of politics - Prabowo Subianto is a former military leader who stands accused of human rights abuses. But in the latest election campaign he pitched himself as a cute, dancing Grandpa. Now he’s the country’s newest president. So, what kind of leader will he be? Guests: Yoes Kenawas - Research Fellow at the Atma Jaya Catholic University in Jakarta Dr Jemma Purdey - Fellow at the Australia-Indonesia Centre at Monash University Geoff Thompson - Former ABC foreign correspon...

Oct 04, 202428 minSeason 3Ep. 3

Dictators & Demagogues 02: Yahya Sinwar

Believed to be ‘the mastermind’ behind the October 7th attack on southern Israel, Hamas leader Yahya Sinwar was killed in an IDF attack in Gaza in October 2024. So who was he and how did he rise to power? Three observers, including one who has met Sinwar, grapple with the factors that led to the man and the leader he became. This episode was recorded before Yahya Sinwar was killed. Guests: Ben Wedeman - CNN senior international correspondent Khaled Hroub - Professor of Middle Eastern studies at ...

Sep 29, 202428 minSeason 3Ep. 2

Dictators & Demagogues 01: Kim Jong Un

He’s more ruthless than his father and more chilling than his grandfather, and his regime has been called a "model dictatorship". Meet North Korea's reclusive Supreme Leader, Kim Jong Un, and enter his world of missiles, murders, oppression and secrecy. Guests: Anna Fifield - Asia-Pacific editor for The Washington Post Hyun-seung Lee - North Korean defector and former Army Special Forces soldier In Bum Chun - Retired South Korean Army lieutenant general Producers: Zoe Ferguson and Linda Lopresti...

Sep 22, 202428 minSeason 3Ep. 1

INTRODUCING Season 3: Dictators & Demagogues

Democracy is under threat more than ever right now. Around the world, we’re seeing populism and nationalism taking hold and strongman leaders grabbing power. So, is this the era of dictators and demagogues? Who are they and what makes them so appealing? Our third season dives into the lives and times of seven autocrats from North Korea to Gaza to Hungary. Host: Hamish Macdonald Producers: Zoe Ferguson and Linda Lopresti Executive Producer: Amruta Slee Sound Engineer: John Jacobs...

Sep 15, 20242 minSeason 3Ep. 300

06 | Bongbong Marcos: the return of a disgraced dynasty

Ferdinand Marcos Jr, better known as “Bongbong”, is the president of the Philippines. His popularity skyrocketed in recent years, particularly among Gen Z, thanks to his stardom on tiktok. But it was almost 40 years ago that he fled the country as a young governor when his father’s authoritarian and corrupt government was overturned in a dramatic coup.

Oct 10, 202333 minSeason 2Ep. 6

05 | Recep Tayyip Erdoğan: The Shapeshifting Sultan

Recep Tayip Erdoğan’s maintained power for over 20 years by being all things to all people. Turkey’s president is at once a Western ally and a close friend of Vladimir Putin, a hardline Islamist and a leader that evokes the golden age of the Ottoman Empire. He is adored by his supporters and feared by his critics. So who is he really and what future does he envision for Turkey? Guests: Soner Cagaptay, director of the Turkish Research Program at The Washington Institute for Near East Policy and a...

Oct 03, 202336 minSeason 2Ep. 5

04 | Emmanuel Macron: International Charmer

Emmanuel Macron is a straight-talking, ambitious global figure who wants France to help solve the challenges of our time. But at home, he’s a divisive leader who faces a wave of discontent. So how did Emmanuel Macron start his own party and effectively come from nowhere to win two elections as the youngest president in French history. How will the charismatic centrist storming The Élysée Palace fare as far-right populism sweeps Europe?

Sep 26, 202343 minSeason 2Ep. 4

03 | Ursula von der Leyen: the most powerful woman in the world?

Ursula von der Leyen is not easy to box. A mother of seven and medical doctor who once lived undercover, under a false identity in London before entering politics, has had a remarkable career. She rose through the ranks in the German parliament in the shadow of Angela Merkel, before being tapped on the shoulder for the president of the European Commission. But according to foreign policy analyst Constanze Stelzenmüller, “heads of state elect commission presidents in the hope that they won't be t...

Sep 19, 202339 minSeason 2Ep. 3

02 | Joe Biden: Does he still have what it takes?

Joe Biden is America’s oldest ever president. He wants to stay in the White House another four years and is now campaigning for a second term. If he wins that term, he’ll be 86-years-old by the time he leaves office. Is he too out of touch as his Republican critics have said, or after 50 plus years in politics, is he far more astute than we think? Importantly, does he have what it takes to repair an increasingly divided America and a potential rematch against Donald Trump? Guests: Kim Hoggard, f...

Sep 12, 202343 minSeason 2Ep. 2

01 | Volodymyr Zelenskyy: "Exactly the right man"

Ukraine's Volodymyr Zelenskyy has captured the world’s attention and admiration like few leaders can. When Russia launched its war on Ukraine in February 2022, the comic actor turned wartime leader became the face of Ukraine’s resistance. He refused offers of evacuation, famously telling Joe Biden he needed ammunition, not a ride. As the Russian bombs rained down, Zelenskyy went out into the streets of Kyiv using social media to talk directly to his people and the world. Rarely has the world see...

Sep 05, 202339 minSeason 2Ep. 1

Bonus Episode | Yevgeny Prigozhin — The Man Who Challenged Putin

Yevgeny Prigozhin is becoming a figure of huge influence in the world right now. A former petty criminal, hotdog vendor and restaurateur from St Petersburg who went on to build a powerful private army. Prigozhin has been a loyal ally of Putin’s until he turned his sights on Moscow, sparking the biggest crisis in Vladamir Putin’s presidency.

Jun 27, 202325 minSeason 1Ep. 9
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