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Hello and welcome to Table Manners. I'm Jessie Ware and we're at Lenny's house for the final recording that we're doing of 2024 but this is greeting you in January and mum you've made something really delicious today. Well, I hope it is. It's from my new favourite cookbook, Sunlight and Breadcrumbs. And it's a funny time of day. And I don't know how much she's going to eat. So I've made...
tart with chevre, which is goat's cheese, dill and spring onions, which I griddled first. I don't know what it would be like. You're good at quiches, Mum. Am I? You are. And then I wanted to call it a tart, really, because I think it sounds a bit more classy than a quiche. And then I've done a beetroot salad because I love beetroot and it will lower my blood pressure before Christmas. Oh, yeah. And then...
Just a green salad and I did those moon blush tomatoes. Moon blush? That's what she calls them. Whilst you were cleansing your crystals outside, you blushed them. No, they're called moon blush. That's what Nigella calls them. So you put them... What did you do?
all you do is cut them in half put some olive oil a bit of salt a bit of sugar and thyme you put them in a hot oven at 225 and as soon as they go in you turn the oven off and leave them overnight they look very pretty and then I've made some well they're ground walnuts with cocoa and meringue.
basically, and a bit of sugar. Not a lot of sugar, and there's lemon juice in the meringue, which I've never put in before. And you just bake them in the oven, and they're essentially a bit like a macaron. Yum. So, anyway. So, last week we gave you Jesse Eisenberg. Probably going to be up for an Oscar. Now we've got another.
Probably going to be up for an Oscar actor. When are they announced? It must be next week. We have the fantastic Coleman Domingo coming in. His film Sing Sing has been out for a while. And he's been talking about it, but we got to watch it and it was so fantastic and moving and important. And I can't wait to meet him. You would have seen Coleman Domingo in many things.
the remake of Colour Purple. You probably have seen him on the stage. He's done The West End. He's done Broadway. He's done everything. But now he's really like becoming a proper screen... Well, not becoming. He is a screen star. He's got his own TV show called The Madness, which... He's like the star on Netflix. He was up for an Oscar last year for his role in Rustin. And Sing Sing is really wonderful. And he plays Divine Eye in it. And it's just a...
Absolutely moving story. So I'm really excited to meet him. He's also probably one of the most well-dressed men in Hollywood. I'm interested to see what he's going to be wearing today. And he also has the most delicious voice. It's like velvet. It's like Bailey's. I'm sure he's probably played King Lear before, but I kind of feel like that voice with King Lear could be really good. Anyway, Coleman Domingo is coming to clap. colman domingo welcome thank you jesse it's good um you are well
Everyone talks about your fashion and you're fabulous. I mean, we're going to talk about Sing Sing and we're going to talk about you and everything about you. You look just gorgeous. First of all, I was worried you wouldn't be able to fit through the door. Because you are so tall. You are quite tall. Yeah, I'm six foot two. Oh, that's not that tall. It's not super tall, but I feel... Have you got high heels on? He's got a Cuban heel. I have a Cuban heel. Oh, okay, okay.
coming in a little cha-cha for you. I thought, you never know, we may dance, you know? Yeah, sure, you never know. Shake it to the pearls. Oh, stop. Do you like that one? Oh, my God. Really, I will play it. over and over again especially at the gym because it's just such a you know you're fun and effervescent and just like really I love no really I couldn't get here soon enough when I found out because you know I told you I was I was like you're kind of in a fog when you're on a press tour
coming in you're like you have no idea who you're gonna meet with you don't know until minutes before and then they're like oh well we're adding this uh podcast and i said oh okay who is it i'm tired it's right before the holidays they're like uh jesse where and her mother lenny where i was wait what
have to do it we have to do it i'm such fans that's so sweet no you're just very warm and kind and open and i don't know just i love and you love to cook and we do and i like a meal and well so we're recording this before Christmas time. This is coming out next year. Yeah. But we're recording this like, it's the 20th of December. Is it the 20th or the 21st? It's the 20th. You're still here promoting. Yes.
You must be the most hardworking guy in showbiz. I am the James Brown of modern day times, it seems. But I love what I do. And I love getting out. And really, I love this is the part where I like, you know, I'm from the theater originally. Yeah.
in small professional theatres. And I love getting out and talking to people. And sometimes when you're just doing film and TV, you don't get this. Yes. For me, it's that. There's a cat. Are you allergic? I'm allergic, but it's fine. No, we can get rid of him. No, no, no. He did not. No, no. Unless you have a clarinet.
Claritin or something. No, no, no, no. Have you got Claritin? Have you got Hayfeet in there? Yeah, but maybe just put him outside. Do you have any animals? I have no animals at all. I mean, it must be quite hard if you're travelling all the time. He's got an allergy as well. Well, yes, yes. The thing is I love animals, but I think I just...
I just, I wouldn't know where to keep them. I'm not somebody who will want to keep an animal going on a plane with me or something. But I love animals so much. Where do you live exactly? I live in a little town called Malibu, California. Oh, my favorite. Isn't it good? It's good, right?
love it it's perfect right my shoulders drop when i drop when i drive out of santa monica i just moved there in february because i used to live in a small little suburban town in southeast la and i just moved it was a little town called downy and it's actually Let me tell you why you may have heard of it, though. Downy is where the carpenters are from. Oh, why?
Karen Carpenter grew up in Downey. So everything about Karen Carpenter and the Carpenters is just from this little town. So is it quite kind of quaint and everyone looks like they're on psychedelics and they're kind of smiley. Absolutely, absolutely. It still has that feel because the house...
are very sort of old school, traditional, mid-century houses. Oh, nice. There's a lot of, there's a few faux Italian places that, you know, they... tore down and built up but it does it's a very suburban community and it was really beautiful and i was there for eight years and then i bought this home by circumstance i wasn't even in the market for buying a house but this beautiful
home that's really embedded in nature came up. And I have a view of the ocean and its peace. And I didn't know that I needed, listen, people who are on the road all the time, you know that like, I need a place where it's just really a place I can just be and just be a person and it can't be about art or art making or anything. It really is just like, oh, it's nature and it's me being dirty and putting on my galoshes and getting out.
to garden and just, I don't know. So your partner Raoul works in fashion, doesn't he? Do you feel like you've learned a lot from him with style or were you already, you were born stylish? It's funny. I think that we both have learned a lot from each other. I think I've always had a sense of style even as a kid. There's a picture that has gone around every so often that I would post from Easter Sunday, 1976. And I remember that day in particular.
because there was a navy blue suit that my mother wanted me to wear. But of course, I was a kid and I grew out of the sleeves. And I said, it's okay, I wanna wear that jacket anyway. And the jacket was red, white, and blue. um stripes and my mother was just like oh no no because my mother was very sort of conservative like oh no no no she's gonna change me into a brown suit or something like that very monochromatic
which is something I actually love to wear now, monochromatic, because it's something about power with that. But I was like, no, no, no, I want to wear that jacket. I like it. And I put it on, and she says, oh, and I said, it makes me feel good.
And then she said, she looked at me and I'll never forget this moment. She says, okay, it's good. Wear what makes you feel good. And so I have this picture Easter Sunday, which is kind of cool. Me sitting in the middle of my siblings and I'm wearing this suit that was like, A little, you know, forward, you know, for a kid, but it made me feel good. I'm sitting there with the biggest smile. And so I know that that was already impressing me to say.
Wear what makes you feel good. I love that. I want to go back to Raul. Is it Raul? Raul, yeah. So I know lots of people. Well, I... I learnt this story of how they met. And I know you've probably said this so many times, but I feel like you need to tell my mum how you met because it's heaven.
Okay. It should be on like this Modern Love. Should it be? It's like, well, it's a meet you. It's funny because I told the story once in GQ magazine for their love issue a few years ago. And then Graham Norton invited me on and he... got wind of the story, and I told him last year. And I think I know why people love this story, and I'll tell you. The story goes like this. Almost 20 years ago, we met March 25th.
20 years ago. Now remember. 20 years ago? Yeah. When you were about 10. I'm an old married man. But get this, get this. 20 years ago, as we know, there was no real social media. It was the beginnings of it in many ways. And I'll just put that in the back of your mind. More of an analog world. We know it. I was in Berkeley, California.
just there to do a show at a theater, Berkeley Rep. And I used to live in San Francisco and it was my first time coming back in a long time. And I went to, I knew the whole neighborhood. So I was like, oh, on a Sunday night.
I'm going to go treat myself to a facial mask. So I wanted to go get a mask at the neighborhood Walgreens or Boots. So I go there and literally I walk in the door and walking out is... a face and i'll say it but i'll give you more detail of the story now because i don't usually get to i saw a face that i didn't know was beautiful or interesting or what but it was a face that was like a
left a deep impression on me. And I thought I'd never saw a face like that in my life. And he had hair down here and he was just open. He looked at me with his beautiful stare. He had a lip piercing. And I was like, Who is that? I was literally on the phone, which I'm doing this. I was on the phone and I was talking to someone and I was like, oh my God. And I walk into Walgreens and I'm like, my instinct was that I have to walk back out.
Now, preface, I was really not in a mood for anyone's relationship. I just got out of one, so I wasn't even on the prowl. I was just like really being myself. I had a faux hawk. I was dressing like myself. I was fun. I was relaxed. And so I was stunned, and I was like, I literally turned back around and walked back outside. And I see him look over in the corner talking to a young woman who was...
angry about something. She was, you could tell she was frustrated. She was very animated and he was trying to focus on her, but he was distracted looking at me and I'm on the phone. I'm like, oh, I need to get off the phone. I want to.
talk to this person, but he's distracted. I'm distracted. And eventually I get off the phone and then he's already walked away with this young woman walking down the street. She's still very animated. He keeps looking back and my hand literally reached up and did this and said, come back.
And he just she's dragging him off. They go off. Did he see you go like that? He did. But he didn't come back because he was being dragged off. And I just stood there outside with this interaction, literally watching him walk away. And I felt like. What was that? So I get distracted. I think I don't know if I actually ended up going back in the Walgreens. I ended up at a blockbuster video across the street looking through the...
And then I looked at my watch and it was 8.03. I'll never forget that. And I went back outside and I thought, well, maybe he's out there. If he felt what I felt, he wasn't out there. And I thought the Walgreens had closed down because it closed down at eight. And I was like, maybe perhaps.
I'll come back again. I'm a romantic. Maybe I'll come back again next week at this time and maybe he will be here too. I don't know. I've always been that hopeful person believing that things like that will, magic will happen. So now we're going to cut like a film. and go three days later. I couldn't stop thinking about this interaction. And I had received a grant from the Bay Area... Bay Area...
cash fund to help me with my writing because I was, you know, I just didn't have a lot of money. And I was like, oh, with this money, I can get a new computer to help support my writing. And maybe I can buy something used and I can get an iPad. pod touch because I needed music too. So I'm online on Craigslist and I'm going through and just looking, looking, looking. And then after maybe about an hour, I just sit there.
Now, I'm staying in theater housing, which is not really great or glamorous, at this little computer. And I keep thinking about this interaction, and I thought, how can I find this person? And I thought, what if I posted one of those Miss Connections ads? Because I read them. I saw you on the... Where did they put them? There would be sections on this Craigslist, a website that would say, misconnections, casual encounters.
whatever you can find anything you can buy we we have we have that well um what did we have we had it in the london light what was it called um Love Struck? I think it was called Love Struck. Oh, yeah, it was. Just imagine a whole page where you can find a housekeeper, you can find a used appliance or something like that.
find love apparently so i go to this website and i thought about writing a profile like oh i saw you missed you want to talk to you and where our location was so i'm scrolling down reading them Thinking about this, I get to the second page on the website three down and it says saw you outside of Walgreens, Berkeley. I literally jumped up. I said, oh, my God. That's me. That's him. Oh my goodness. How good is the story? Literally, I touch it as if I was almost afraid. I tap the screen.
And I start reading it. And he says, I saw you outside of Walgreens, Berkeley. I was with a friend. We were lost. She was upset. I hope this finds you. I respond to it. I have to cry. I respond to it. This is me, et cetera, et cetera. My name is this. I'm so glad that I found you. Can we meet up? We met up three days later. We had our first date.
I was trying to be a good boy and trying not to be naughty. After this date, which was so beautiful. And I have to tell you. Where did you go? We went to this bar called Dalva in San Francisco in the Mission District. And I walked in.
And we just had a couple of drinks and then we went for a walk and then we kissed on the street. And then he asked me to come back home with him. And I thought, I'm trying to be a good boy. I was like, no, no, no, because I really liked him. I thought, I want to take my time with this. And he said.
And he felt like, and from his perspective, he said, I didn't know if you would want to see me again, so I really wanted to hang on to every moment possible. So I said, okay, I will come over, but let's just cuddle. So we cuddled. And about four o'clock in the morning, I couldn't sleep. And I said to him, I thought he was asleep. I said, I think I love you and you're about to change my life. I knew it. Now I have to also let you know this.
He tried to post this ad three times and it didn't go through until an hour before I found it. so kismet if that isn't kismet if that isn't destiny and that isn't magic i don't know what is that's what makes me believe in magic i'm like oh no there is love available you just gotta Put your head up. You were just meant for each other. We were. And he's my best friend. He's a good human. And I feel extremely lucky. 20 years. Are you married? We're married. We got married 10 years ago.
Yeah, yeah. I guess we should probably get to some food. But what was the food at the wedding? The food was... Oh, the wedding happened like this. Very easy. Because I always have a busy schedule. And he wanted to get married. I wanted to get married. But we never knew when we could schedule. Suddenly...
It was the week before the anniversary of my mother's passing, which was seven years prior. Thank you. And I thought, my mother was such love. I said, let's transform mom's day into a day of love. So let's organize a wedding. And we did it very quickly. We didn't tell anyone we were getting married until they came to our apartment that day where we had fried chicken, great champagne. I made some salads.
And when people came in, I said, welcome to our wedding. What? When? I said, now. It was a surprise because we don't want to put anyone out. Everyone came in. We created the wedding in a moment. My friend Ari sang a beautiful song called Breshert. but meant to be. Yeah, exactly. And then we just, we just ate, drank and laughed until five o'clock in the morning.
Beautiful. So that's what we ate. We ate fried chicken and some really good salads that I made. And I don't like to be fussy at all in any way. So I'm very relaxed. And that's the way I wanted it. And that's the way he wanted it. I'm going to get back to you being obviously quite a good cook. But let's. start at the beginning where you grew up it was in philly philly who was around the dinner table and what was uh being served the wildest thing is um
My whole family, we sat down like we were in a 50s family or something. We sat at the table with my mother, my stepfather at the other head of the table, and kids all around, my brother. My younger brother, Phillip, next to me over here. Wow. I can remember the table setting. My younger brother right here. My mom's here. Dad's here. My brother, Rick, here. My sister, Avery, here. Four kids. And we would sit down. And usually we had something like.
Gosh, the one thing because we didn't have a lot of money, we would have something called Salisbury steak. What's that? Which is like a patty of meat that's like, it's a little better than hamburger, yet it's usually have a gravy over it or something. There was always a gravy and I hated gravy. What if you have gravy? No, we don't have gravy.
You'll say. But we always had like good soul food. You know, my mother, it's a tradition coming from the South, eventually her family's and all. We had fried chicken. We would have real rich food, actually, like, you know. Collard greens, candied yams, you know, but pretty much traditional soul food. How do you candy a yam? You candy a yam? Brown sugar, maple syrup, cinnamon. So you fry it. You fry it. Oh, you can bake it as well. You can bake it. With butter.
yeah a little orange juice or an orange rind just imagine it's just rich it probably will kill you usually i don't eat so much like that all the time but it's real fatty sort of soul food like you know african-american do you think yam holds it Better than sweet potato? No. It's kind of the same. It's not as sweet, is it? It's not as sweet.
So it's more like a potato. Yes, exactly. It's starchy. It's starchy, yes, exactly. You can't eat it every day. And it's a different, it's white, isn't it? It's white. It's creamy color. Actually, no, yam is... It's funny because I feel like I've seen them both. I've seen yam that's like creamy colored and sweet potato that is more orange than you. Yeah, but sometimes it depends on the background.
The varietal. How long would you bake it for? I would say you want it to get a little soft. I would say 45 minutes. Oh, yeah. And you would just cut it. In rounds? In rounds. Cut it in rounds. Okay, you're a good cook. I can tell now. Oh, I love cooking. Straight away. So if we were coming round to yours. Which we probably will. Which we will. We're our best friends. Yes, exactly. Of course. I would love that.
What are you going to cook for us? It all depends on the season. I love to do a good roast, like a roast chicken. I love a good roast chicken with root vegetables and things like that. I like to cook sort of like... in an effortless manner that's just fresh farm to table. I would make something very healthy that I think that everyone would like. I would get a little fancy, I would make some French food sometimes, like I'll make...
I don't know, I might do a trout almondine. Lovely. You know, I like lighter foods that are like, you know, really, I don't know, that make you feel like you're somewhere else. I can experiment with like Japanese food and different flavors. I also love... I love forward seasonings in many ways, just things that have like that are complicated. Like I will make a good fried chicken that has like, yeah, you have all these different spices, garlic and.
cumin, maybe even a little cinnamon to make a little sweet. So what's the secret to the batter on fried chicken? What's your batter? What's your batter? Buttermilk. Okay. Must do buttermilk. So buttermilk made into a batter. Into a batter. Instead of. Oh, so buttermilk. Instead of milk. I also saw something where instead of using like the egg.
To be the glue. Yeah. You would use buttermilk instead. So that's your glue. Everything sticks to it. And all the seasoning will stick to it as well. And the thing is about frying it, though, because you want to get it to a real... You need it at a very... very high, high heat. Have you got a deep fryer?
I don't have a deep fryer. I still go very old school. And what do you fry it in? Oil? You fry it in oil. Which oil do you use? Because you have a funny one there. Canola. Everyone's using avocado oil. Everyone's using avocado oil. But I like...
know like peanut oil peanut oil to fry something in five guys five guys use peanut oil yeah we don't get peanut oil here well five guys have got it so i don't know where they're getting five five you know where i learned how to use peanut oil when i worked at mcdonald's That's why the fries are so good. It gets a good high heat. You know what? Also, I don't mind frying things in like a little beef pan.
you know exactly or duck fat duck fat so okay we're gonna get on to sing sing okay but you're in full like it's campaign mode because you and and i'm sure it's your team i mean quite rightly, you are no doubt going to be up for the Oscar. You're already up for the Golden Globes. You've won the Gotham. It's looking pretty bloody good. So you're up for a Golden Globe. Have you been nominated for anything else? He was up for an Oscar last year, Mum. No, I know that.
haven't come out yet yes I've been nominated but there's been a lot of like this my film has been out since like last September so there's been a nice long runway we've been playing regional festivals around the country around the world and we've we've stacked up a lot of honors which has been great not only for myself but my my cast mates and the ensemble and the film that's been beautiful because i feel like it does feel like
been a grassroots way of getting the film out. Has Divine G got a nom? Yes. He actually won the supporting for the Gotham as well, which has been great. I mean, I've got goosebumps thinking about you two together. He's a beautiful performer. But there was this tension where I was like, I didn't know what was going to happen in this film. I was like...
I'm worried he's going to fucking kill him or something. And there was that tension when he goes and reads for Hamlet, I'm not going to give anything away. And your character is just kind of like, hang on, like... And there's just like this... And then this beautiful...
tenderness and friendship and brotherhood that happens, well, with all the cast, but that's the one that you're like, which way is it going to go, right? And doesn't that say something about the possibility of someone that you feel like you have nothing in common with? Both of these characters. It felt like even in the confines of a prison felt like they had nothing to do with each other. And then you find out that you're probably more alike than not alike. You just have.
different ways of approaching something so for me that's what it's about in that yeah there's a tension throughout the film and there's it's constantly shifting perceptions of people and what the possibility is. Like my favorite moment, and this won't give too much away, but there's a word, maybe I won't say what the word is. There's a word that is used in the film that is in...
offering of grace. When someone says, oh, we don't use that word in prison. We use the word this when it comes to brotherhood. And for me, that was a gift that Clarence actually gave me when we were trying to figure out the script. He said, oh. it was an offering of a word. And we're like, wow, that's what a transformative word. I would never imagine these hyper-masculine men in this environment to use this word. It's a word of transformation. It's a word I think the more men need to invite.
enter their whole DNA, which will change them and shift them. So Clarence is also a writer. He was in... involved in this screenplay. Yeah, but also in the RTA programme, which for people, I mean, you're going to explain this much better, but for people that haven't seen Sing Sing, can you...
describe the program that this all centers around. Yeah, our film Sing Sing is centered on this program that was started at Sing Sing Prison, which is the maximum security prison in upstate New York. And there's a... Beautiful gem of a program that was founded by a lot of the members there who just wanted to do something different. They wanted to, let's put on a play.
Let's see if some volunteers will come in, teach them acting skills. And they started by just playing. And, oh, this is good. This is fun. This is interesting. But then these real things started to happen. As we know, anyone who loves theater is like, what does it develop? You develop more empathy. You start to break down your own barriers and things that you have.
trial and trauma with you can name a feeling and you can do some process work to become a bit more evolved and they start to realize it was having a profound effect on these inmates so much so that
This is a number that I love to put out in the world. So much so that there's a 3%... recidivism rate meaning that once they're out of prison they don't come back in compared to 60 percent six zero nationwide of people involved in the program exactly so that shows that programs like this work you're like oh we have to give people tools to be different
to actually do some real rehabilitation. Is the RTA in all prisons? No. But the other thing about your prisons is they're not nationally owned. Some of them are private, a lot of private prisons. And I think that is the problem because there is money to be made. off of these presidential...
I think it almost doesn't benefit those prisons, which is why we have to sort of do something about that. I mean, it is very brutalizing, as I understand the American prison system, that it's not rehabilitative. Yeah, it's more punitive. It's more punitive than rehabilitative. But also, don't you think that's something, maybe that's why I love our film. Our film has so much light and joy and humor in it. And it's really showing us another path of like, how do we think about these people?
One of the saddest bits I found, I mean, obviously all the relationships were so touching, but you were this man who's kind of... quiet man an intellectual in in many respects um and that bit where your your your room your cell is searched and So dehumanising. It's so dehumanising. And the man comes out and he just taps you on the shoulder as if, I'm sorry I've had to do that, but that's how it is. And he taps you and you go back in and all your papers...
everything is in disarray and just thrown on the floor, made me so sad. Because why wouldn't you respect someone's... belongings or it's not like you were it was just so sad for me that particular one but i thank you for mentioning that moment because i feel like there's all those key moments that we just show
that really shows the dehumanization of it of people and also because i feel like as we i think are understanding more and more we're like you know i think a lot of people in prison are seen sort of monolithic like we don't they're locked away we don't think about them and not think about there's individual stories of how they got there and as we know that like yeah some people have created
I have done some heinous crimes. Yes, I won't deny that. But some people are in prison that should not be in prison. Some people are wrongfully accused, like my character. And then trying to find ways to hold on to their humanity. It's just set up to be so inhumane. Maybe that's it. Even a moment of like knowing that person didn't even think to be careful what the person thinks, you know, of what little they have to hold on their humanity, their pictures, their words, their books.
There's space. There's none of that in prison. You're just treated inhumane. So you're like, how can a person possibly be rehabilitated when the system's not set up for them to do some deep work? You know what I mean? So for me, it's like... I think maybe that's been a gift for me being a part of this film is to really examine this and think about.
Because I don't know if I really thought about that. Like, what society do we want to live in and be a part of? Was it 95% of the actors in the film were formerly incarcerated? Yes, and went through that program. And playing themselves and went through the program. The only professional actors are myself.
Paul Racey, who was in Sound of Metal. Sean San Jose, who is actually, who plays Mike Mike. He's actually my best friend. Was he Mike Mike? Mike Mike. He's your best friend? He's my best friend on the planet. Oh, wow. We've known each other for over 30 years. I loved his part. He was wonderful. Isn't he a...
special actor that the conversation of you back to back and the he that was beautiful all of it was i mean yeah thank you i'm so glad my i love that people love mike mike because that was like because i knew i knew i knew that i needed Do you want to eat something? Yeah, I do. I knew by going into this uncharted territory creating this film, I needed a friend. You know, literally sometimes you're like, I need a friend with me.
Were you quite nervous going into it? But you did a lot of prep, didn't you? I didn't do a lot of prep. I didn't have a lot of time. I was actually shooting the color purple right before I went into this. Right. And I only had 18 days in between color purple and going back for... Pickups for Rustin, another film I did. Yes. Oscar nominated. No big deal. But literally, that's all I had. You know, sometimes you, I feel like I'm a person who likes to prep a lot, but this didn't.
allow me to so I had to lean into a different way of being. So how did you create this brotherhood with your actors, fellow actors and formerly incarcerated men? How did you get to know each other? Are those beats?
Yeah. Good lord. Did you do the Moroccan? It's Moroccan. It's with cumin and orange juice and things. Literally, didn't I mention cumin and orange juice earlier? There you go. Gorgeous. Things that I love, right? It could be in like Café Morgador. Have you ever been to Café Morgador in New York? No, I haven't.
It's like a really good spot that's like, does Moroccan breakfast really well. So anyway. This is beautiful. Please start helping yourself, but tell me the story too. No, we created this bond together on Zoom. yeah and then by the time we got to like again i didn't have a lot of time to prep yeah so we really went in very quickly which was beautiful because they were very open in that way and most of them well none of them have ever been on a professional set
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Get in there. Oh, don't look at me then. I'm like that. Shove it in. I'm like, wham, bam. Thank you, ma'am. What does that say about you? No, just get it done. Get it done. Get out. Exactly. What's it taste like? Delicious, mum. Honestly. Very delicious. It's so good. It's beautiful. Good. And I'm hacking into it. Good, good. Where do you like, do you like London? Do you like coming here? I love London. Where do you hit up as soon as you get here? As soon as I get here.
it's funny i feel like i'm always pretty open usually the hawks more i like since i was living here in 2013 for like a good year and a half and at first i stayed in kilburn And that's when I would really just go into pubs and get most of my meals. I'm like, oh, there's pub culture here. And then I moved to Borough. Gorgeous. Yeah, which is beautiful. I always go to Borough Market. The best. Which is great.
And then I lived in Holborn. Nobody lives in Holborn. No. Did you go to Lamb's Conduit Street a lot? Oh, yeah. Yeah, right. Because it's so good. Yeah, I would eat at the Hoxton Holborn usually for breakfast. Okay. Yeah. That's when the first time I really discovered like sort of avocado toast. Again, this is like 2013 and avo toast was not a thing in the States. Oh, because it came from Australia, didn't it? Yeah. Oh, Bill.
Bill Granger, who's passed away, yeah. Yeah, so the moment I was over here, I was like, oh, avocado toast. And my friends would be like, is that guacamole on bread? I'm like, no, it's avocado toast. Oh, so you know London really well. Mm-hmm.
And you know, it's funny. I love, I guess usually when I'm here for press or something, I would stay in Soho. But I love East London. I love like Bolston. I love Hackney. I love the real neighborhood. That's why I was very excited to come down here because I'd never been down here.
I've been as far as Brixton. And I'm like, I love, I don't know, I just love these neighborhoods because they always have a good center. Yeah. And it's very, lots of green spaces, which is what I love. You can always go to a park. What is that? What is it? I'll tell you what they are. These are cookies. But they're more like meringues made with walnuts and cocoa. I don't think I'm ever going to leave. Have some cream as well. Thank you. This is just...
No, literally. Let's see what you think. They might not be as great as you think. What else is in there? Just almonds, cocoa, and egg white. That's it? And sugar. That's why it's a good, yeah. It'll be great. It's fun, Mum. I like them. Can I have some raspberries, please, Mum? What made you think of these? They were in that cookbook, and I just thought they're called buona knotty biscuits or something. They're light, and yeah, they're really nice, Mum. Do you have a sweet tooth?
I don't. Not that you want to. I used to when I was a kid, but now I don't. We will say with a cookie and a half, but sure. You know, I don't. I feel like the one thing that's my advice is gummy bears. Oh. I love gummy bears. Yeah, whenever I'm on a set. of the PAs they know, they're like, oh, Coleman's working really hard. Put some gummy bears there. So it's like, is it strictly gummy bears or will it be like Harry Bow? Love Harry Bow. Yeah. The thing that I love the most. Yeah.
is when I come here and I go to M&S. Oh, Percy Pig. Percy Pig. I love Percy Pig. I'm literally, my plan before I get on my flight tomorrow is to go by M&S and get some Percy Pig. I love that. Because we don't sell like that. And when... When I, as your new friend...
come and visit you. She'll bring some Perseys. Oh, I would love that. I've had friends bring me boxes of Perseys, because I love it. I love just keeping it in the house. I'll bring you a suitcase. Oh! I love it. Coleman, what would be your last supper? Appetizer made. Champagne, dessert, drink of choice. My appetizer, because this is something I've done ever since I was 21 years old. Every birthday, I go sit somewhere and have by myself a glass of champagne and a dozen oysters.
I love oysters. My appetizer would be oysters. Can I ask why you do that on your own? I think it's a day of reflection. It's something about fish. I think it's connected to my mom who always said, you know, fish is, it's abundance as well. And I feel like the idea of having, you need a moment by yourself. I'll take myself somewhere really good. This is what, since I was 21, I was like.
I didn't have a lot of money, but I was like, this is my own treat. It's for me. It's for me to sit, not on a phone, not reading a book and just reflect and have a simple glass of champagne toast. The past and where I'm moving to the future. But it really is just a little moment for me. And I'm always telling people, I'm like, you need that moment for yourself. And so I've always done that. So it will be oysters. And usually it will be. What do you put in the list? I love a mignonet. Oh, me.
shallot vinegar or champagne vinegar and i love i mean they're always doing different things with it um What else? I also love it with horseradish as well. The spiciers are better. Horseradish. Yeah, I like a little, you need a little kick to open up your nose. Horses will do good oysters. They do great oysters. Yeah, they do. Are you a hot sauce guy? I am a hot sauce. I love sauces, period. I love condiments. So much so.
Pack little bits of condiments with me on a flight. Because you never know what food you want to get. And you're like, I need to spice it up. I need to spice it up. So what are your sauces that you're definitely traveling? Barbecue sauce. Oh, I love it. I mean, McDonald's barbecue sauce is my favorite. No, not McDonald's barbecue sauce. I do like that.
Although I do like it. I like it. I do like it. But, you know, it can be any kind of specialty barbecue sauce that has a little kick to it. It could be a peach barbecue sauce. Peach barbecue? Where are you getting that from? You get it from, like, these fancy little, you know, places. I'll take you to it in Malibu, okay? Exactly, right? So things like that and love hot sauces. I have, literally I have a shelf.
Thank God this lovely woman came and organized my sauces in my new house. Oh, my God. There's a woman that does that? There's a woman who comes and organizes your stuff. She's not the one that did Chrissy Teigen's. No, but there's many people. And she did her larder. Oh, yeah. And it was like.
oh my god put uh uh lazy susans that i know i'm in my cabinet that has all my sauces oh so you can spin it right there you find everything and so it's not just rooting through you know i didn't even know you can organize that way my my spice This is organized in the drawer. Stunning. Instead of, you know, I'm just reaching in and you're always searching and don't know what you have, but this is everything's very open. I love organizers. I've just gotten into that.
Because I need that. I need that. It saves time. That's your entree. My entree. It's going to be steak. Or roast. Okay. I'm guessing now. I think it's something that I know I can't live without. This is my last supper, right? Yeah. But you're not going to heaven or you're not going to be executed. I don't know. It can be interrupted. We're definitely not going death row. Do they have a death row at Sing Sing? I don't know. I'm sure they do.
Did you actually go in the prison, I meant to ask you? We didn't go in. We actually shot the exteriors there, but we shot the interiors at a decommissioned prison. Okay, okay, okay. So they never let you inside? No. No? No. I'm sure I don't want to go on either. So your main. My main, I think, is it main with sides? Whatever you want. Okay, my main is probably, it's a thing that I do very well, which is in the summer.
For six hours, I smoke ribs. I smoke pork ribs. And I do it really beautifully with... You know, brown sugar and a little apple cider vinegar, maybe a little pineapple juice. And it takes its time. You start with, you know. with putting it in foil, putting it in the smoker for two hours, pull it back out, then the butter goes on. It's all this nurturing. So you've got your own smoker? I have my own smoker. Is it a green egg?
It's not a green egg. I don't know. I have an electric one. One of those master built electric ones with a timer. But it's fantastic. And you put wood chips in there and everything. But I can smoke them for six to seven hours. It would be smoked barbecue pork ribs. Wow. What are the sides? Sides? You've got to go with collard greens. What are collard greens? They're like stewed. They're gorgeous. You mean like spring green? They're like kale. They're closer to kale. Kale or chard.
They're a bit more like chard, no? Yeah, no, it's more like kale. But they, you know, they take the flavor in a great way. You usually put them in a pot and you start with like some chicken stock and maybe, and you're also going to have a piece of smoked meat. Yeah. Like ham or something. Like a ham hock or something. You put it in there. well let it all stew in there with garlic and whatever seasonings you want a little sugar is the secret that's my mother used to always do and also um
Yeah, some of you have to smoke me all of it and you just let it simmer and boil down till it gets a little soft. And it's really, really beautiful. So I will have that as well. You just got to have some choices of hot sauce there. You got to put a little vinegar in there as well. Have that on the side. What's your carb? The funny thing is I'm not a carb-heavy person, yet I would go for some like a seven cheese mac and cheese. Oh, what do you mean seven cheese?
Let me tell you something. Mac and cheese. You have some macaroni noodles, whatever that is, with butter. And you just, you may get some cheddar and some Colby and some, all these different cheeses, some mustard, whatever. So whatever you've got in your fridge. Layer it with some cheeses. It's the best thing of the world. Okay. And don't.
So you don't make it in a skillet. Okay, so you just grate the cheese in rather than make a cheese sauce. Yeah, grate the cheese in. Okay. So it all bakes together. Put some breadcrumbs on top because you want a little crust. Oh my goodness.
Think about seven cheeses at least. No less than seven. And you put that baby in there and you bake it and it's all oozing and melting together and you take it out. When I say it's the best thing in the world, that's what you will have. Okay, seven cheese mac. I'm just thinking maybe you should be the new voiceover for Eminem.
There we go. You do have the greatest voice in the world. I feel like you'd be like, this is not just. This is not just mac and cheese. This is seven cheeses. Seven cheeses at M&S. Also an individual singleton. That's the thing that I love the most when I lived here. I can always just get like half a sandwich. Oh yeah, you can. You can get that in America. Who fucking wants a half sandwich though? You know when you don't want the...
The full sandwich. I want the fucking full sandwich. I know. Now, do I have dessert? Yes. Dessert would have to be. I'm not a huge chocolate fan. I'm very traditional when it comes to desserts. I like a very simple, I think it would be a very simple apple pie. I love an apple pie. A la mode. A la mode, absolutely. With like French vanilla or something like that.
And even maybe like a piece of cheddar cheese on the side because I don't know what it would have. I'm not sure. Goes well. Exactly. Goes well. So I feel like it would be apple pie. That's my favorite. Did your mom make? My mother made sweet potato pies. Never pumpkin. It seems like in African-American culture, sweet potato was more the standard for pies. Did you put marshmallow?
On top, yes, you put the little baby marshmallows on top. Yeah, exactly. And cinnamon? Absolutely. It's enough to give you a heart attack. Absolutely, yeah. So, yeah. I was going to do it for Christmas Day. Do it. Sweet potato pie? I just thought it would be nice. Well, I guess I'm coming back. Sweet potato pie, do it. Before we let you go, and I don't really want you to go. Can you please give us a nostalgic taste that can transport you back somewhere? Because happy or sad.
a nostalgic taste here's the nostalgic taste i have a picture of my mother who was truly my best friend and it's her in the kitchen And I remember this image, too, because she's wearing sort of like a tank top. I remember she got up. We went to church or something, came home, and she would usually strip down to her slip. You know, back when women wore slips. And then she was like, it was really hot. Because it was hot. Yeah. And then she got out of it. And literally my mother is in her bra.
in shorts because it was so hot. So she's wearing one of those cross your heart bras. There's nothing sexual about it whatsoever. But she's standing in the kitchen and she is with a fork frying chicken. And I remember her sitting.
She told me, come in, I want to show you something. And she was showing me with care how you fry chicken because it was very important for her kids to learn how to cook and take care of themselves. And I remember just sitting there and it was like, it's such a happy memory of just watching.
the grease pop a little bit and just my mother with the the rack over her shoulder and in turn the the fried chicken and and take it out when it's hot and put it on um some paper towels he said you remember you have to You have to make sure the grease all runs off there or whatever. And then she would, she says, you want a taste? Because, you know, it was a thing like you didn't eat until you were at the table. But she said, you want a little taste.
And so she would give me a little chicken wing. A little chick. She would give me the wing. Which is why I naturally gravitate toward the wing at all times. I love wings. They're sweet. They're sweet and it holds all the flavor. So she would give me the wing and I sat there and I just felt like I was getting a little treat because I was the first person to get a little treat.
a little bit of the chicken so it's always fried chicken so I think that's why I even love when I usually go home and I have I've been working for a long time and more than likely I probably maybe that's what I'll do this Christmas I'll go into the kitchen And I'll fry some chicken so I'll feel close to her. When did she pass away? In 2006.
Oh, Coleman, I'm sorry. That's such a beautiful memory. Thank you for sharing that with us. Oh, of course, of course. I mean, I think, and I think maybe that's also the draw of me wanting to come here. I see how close you are and how you cook together. And it's inspiring for people and especially for people who have had losses and they long for that sometimes. I think that's true. And you find ways, I'm sure, as we, you know, we won't all be here forever.
But you find ways to, I have my mother's name tattooed on my arm. What was her name? Her name was Edith. And my production company is called Edith. So I like to say her name all the time because I know she still lives. And by having a practice, especially when it comes to food, I have these little moments.
even mentioning ribs my mother made the best ribs and she taught me how to make all the things that i love to cook for people and for me that memory is fried chicken and watching her in a hot summer afternoon in a bra shorts and she took her her wig off as well and her hair is just natural and she looked her most beautiful I always thought she looked her most beautiful when she wasn't in a wig and makeup
Did she always wear a wig? She only wore a wig when she went out because she was such a lady and she just wanted everything set. Everything was very set. My mother was a pure lady. In many ways. Were you a churchy family? We were not a churchy family. She came from a churchy family. But she inspired us to find our own path when it comes to religion or anything like that.
She encouraged us to do what makes you feel good. Was she just incredibly proud of you? I mean, did she see you? Everything about this whole journey. has been because of her. And it's funny, I think, I'm not a person that likes to sort of angelicize people or say, oh, that they were this, but she really was my greatest influence. She taught me how to be curious. She taught me how to try new things. And she...
wanted me to dream and just like, you know, hey, do whatever, do what makes you feel good as long as you're being a good person, you know? So I feel like everything that I have is because of what she poured into me and believed in me. But she's still there. Always. She's so close to me. So close that I know that she's with me. I do believe that. I do believe she's with me. And I feel it. And that's why I feel it so strongly sometimes. In the new year, what...
will everything be focused on the award season now? No, because I also have to go to work too. It's like award season. It's funny. It takes up a lot of your life, but you also, I also work in between like even last year when I was, um, On this awards campaign, I also had to go back to finish The Madness. And I started a movie about Michael Jackson playing Joe Jackson. So I was doing that and then going to award shows and doing press. So it's kind of...
I wish I had the luxury to just do one, but it doesn't seem to be my makeup. And I know how to manage it. And at some point, you're going to be exhausted. That's just the truth. But next year, I start a few films. I'm doing one with Mr. Steven Spielberg. Which is great. He's a beautiful human being. And we're going to do a film. I start that.
at the top of the year. Great. I go back to my show Euphoria. I wanted to ask, so it is coming back? Yes, it's coming back. Have you read any of the... I haven't read, but he's told me about some of it. And it's really... It's going to be groundbreaking. I've never watched this. Oh, it might be triggering for the first episode, but you've got to keep going. It's like, when I watched it, I was like, oh my God, I have a daughter.
And I have two sons. This is really, is this how it's going to go? It's about young people in high school. I don't know. I'd love it. But you. But it's a little racy. It's a little racy. It's about a young addict. Played by Zendaya. Who you have a direct relationship with. And I play her as a sponsor. Yeah. Okay, I must watch it. You've got to watch it. Binge that next. Binge that. Which one is it? I think you may just be like upset at the world. Too much sex?
Or is it a lot of sex? It's beyond, it's quite, there's like... brutalizing yeah but but but you but you'll there's a reason for it you'll get to it and then you'll get to some special episodes in the center where it's just like me and zendaya sitting at a dining and a diner talking okay and that won't be triggering at all you can even watch that out of context and you want to get some contextualization of the show, watch the special episode with just me and Zendaya in a diner. It's called
Trouble Don't Last Always, the episode. Okay, and is this on Netflix? It's on HBO in the States. So what is that here? I think I watched it on Sky. I think it's Sky Atlantic. It's Sky Atlantic. Oh, I'll watch it then. You are fantastic in it. You're fantastic. You are. Thank you. Do you think the film will be nominated for an award? You know what? When do you find out? You know, you find out. You know, it's funny. I keep dates out of my head because.
I just try to deal with what's in front of me. But I know, I think in January, the beautiful thing is I have hopes for the film because I think of the messages of the film. I don't feel this way about everything. But I feel like if this film gets a nomination or even a win...
It's incredible for everything about it, the way we've made the film, when it comes to the financial parody, because everyone in the film owns the film. Equal pay. I feel like it'll tell the universe and the industry about what we want to... amplify and stories about people like this hanging on to hope in a place like prison for me it's like it all goes towards
all the messages of the film. If my work's honored, Clarence's work, our ensemble, you name it. So I'm one of those people, I will never be an actor.
I think a lot of people will sit here and say, oh, they don't matter. I'm like, it does matter because it matters for more amplification of more stories like this. It's recognition so you can keep... singing songs and playing music and you're like if there's analytics and acknowledgement that means something to systems and if it helps amplify and push it forward I say why not
I'm very proud of the work. I just didn't even know about the RTA until I saw the film. Did you know about it? No, I didn't. But I know that there was a, was it a Rolling Stone article or something? Esquire, like years ago about it. But I mean, you know, it's important. important stories like that that need to be told and it's it's such a honor to meet you but also just I'm thrilled for you that everything it feels like
it's your world and we're all going to be a part of it and we can't wait to see everything else that you're in and you're just a superstar. So thank you for taking the time when it's so close to Christmas and you have much better things to do. You slept over here and you're going home tomorrow. Thank you, but this was a perfect send-off. And a perfect way to go into the new world. Deal with you and bring bread. Thank you so much. Thank you. Cheers.
Mum, are you in love? Completely, besottedly in love. I feel, I kind of feel I've adopted him as my son. I'll be rooting for him now. for every award. And if he doesn't win, I'll have the disappointed face. Coleman Domingo is, that is generosity with the answers and just the way that he came in. He's at the end of a mad, gruelling press tour.
And he's made time to come over here so close to Christmas. He's just completely adorable. I absolutely loved it. I love him. I think that, you know, the work he's put in, at the end he told us he was 55 and we were like, sorry, what? Yeah. He's timeless. He's a working actor that is now finally getting his flowers. I mean, he's been getting them for a while, but it's just... And it's so deserved. And it's really exciting to see where...
He goes next. But Sing Sing, please go and watch it. It's incredibly tender, beautiful, powerful film. And it's an important film. It's really important. What are you doing with your phone? Coleman's like, text me. But I've just looked at the picture of him for his text message. How cute. Him as a little kid. Looking pretty dandy and stylish then. Smile.
So cute. Coleman Domingo, you're my new best friend. You can watch Coleman Domingo in Sing Sing or The Madness on Netflix or Rustin or Euphoria. He will definitely win an Oscar. He's just wonderful. way thank you for listening we love you colman domingo and we'll see you next week This podcast is brought to you by Yo Valley Organic, where delicious is at the heart of everything they do. Mum, did you know that the Yo Valley Organic food range is more than yogurt?
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