Sword Scale Rewind is an after show, which means it's meant to be listening to after listening to Sword and Scale for your convenience. Each episode number of rewind corresponds to its counterpart on Sword and Scale. It's not that hard people. Welcome to Sword and Scale Rewind with your hosts Matt Fondelier and Ian Bag. What's up, everybody? Welcome back to Sword and Scale Rewind Episode one hundred and sixty four. My name is Matt Fondelier and I am joined by
comedian and co host of the fifth most popular hockey podcast in Australia. It's called Enjoy Orange Slices with Jeff and Ian. Yeahkid, Ian Bag, thanks for coming back. Oh we just actually got on the charts in Africa. Apparently we're apparently number eight on the most popular hockey podcast in Australia. So we're we're trying, we're building, We're building. Were Wow, it's a pretty good podcast. Just let you know. I'll just put it out there.
My buddy grew up with me and he played in the NHL and I was in a hockey movie that involved a chimpanzee. So if you ever want to listen, to a hockey podcast. You will never get more knowledge than we have. Please tell me what movie that was. It's called MVP two Most Valuable Primate Part two. To do so, I played old Off Chicken Dance, the Swedish sensation. That's amazing. Yeah. Um, anyone ever
get murdered on your on your hockey podcast? Has anybody on the on the podcast or you know in the NHL in the no, no, no, no, no no. We didn't haven't any murder so far as knock on wood, we've we've are you well here on this show, we're a little bit light on the hockey talk, heavy on the murder, heavy on the murder. That's right. And if you've ever listened to an episode of Sword and Skill, you know that it's a show about murder. Sword and Scale
rewind is the show about that show. Yeah, that's what happens. He discusses it, then we rewind it. That's right. Yeah. And if you have never listened to this episode, you may want to listen to it. But if it's been a while, no problem. That's what we're here to do. Push pause, go listen to it, come back, listen
to us. Now, this is one of my all time favorite Sword and Scale episodes, and it is always weird to be like, I'm a big fan of this murder, all right, but there's just something about the way that this story was told. There's a lot of shocking surprises. There's audiot going on here. Even when you think you understand it, there's some crazy brutality at the end that to me is kind of unforgivable and unforgettable. It's really what I meant to say. Well, we'll discuss that when I get
there, because I have questions about that. Okay, Yeah, I talk to my wife about that, and I didn't really Yeah. I was like, and she's like, I'm like a lot of in depth conversations. You mentioned before the MIC's heated up that your wife was familiar with this story. This was one that was covered by eight hours or state line date line?
Did it Keith Morrison? She said, oh. And I brought it up with her and she said, oh, Keith didn't tell me about that, And I thought, well, there was he was involved in the murder before the young man that was murdered. Yes here is it here? Or her? Is it her? I read it as here, But I see, I always thought it was her and then looked German to me, it does got the double r but I imagined and an Abbott and Costello who's on first style of routine where they're saying, you have to go after her. You
mean that woman? No, no, the guy I thought he said her. That's right hers it him, you know him. The whole thing happened the boom. Somebody else is skilled. That's right, exactly. Um, but this is also an episode about the most evil people in all of the
world. Musical theater people the worst. Do you have any experience not even not even musical theater underground, not an underground, off to the side, off off off Broadway in a different state, musical theater, community theater people, if it's got community in it, just walk away, an It doesn't matter what it is, a community, sports, community, it doesn't matter. It just means it's gonna be somebody that isn't good. Yeah. Um,
do you have any experience doing that year or do theater? Not community theater? In high school? In a little bit, you know, you know, when I was in New York, coops want to acting school and I just snapped and just but yeah, I YouTube reminds me a lot of community theater. That's pretty good. Yeah, a lot of people just expressing themselves that express stay at home. Yeah, I've got no talent, Yeah, but I got nothing else to do, so I'll do this. Look at me, look at me, Look at me, Look at me,
look at me, look at me. Now, I never did community theater, but I did do a ton of theater when I in high school and when I was in college. And starts with an ends with a home. I felt like the people that are in this story were people that I just those people. Yeah, I mean obviously don't specifically know them, but I think I'm agreeing with you. But I also think I see them in stand up too. Yeah, anybody who wants that limelight, who wants that attention.
It's just it's a personality type. And they didn't really ever say that they were good. Yes. Well, that's one of my favorite clips that I'll be playing for you is when the woman who's writing a book about this is describing how mediocre of a talent this guy is, and then also her she's from that world too, and it reads from that world and it's her time to shine. Yep. Well, this is a story that takes place
in southern California, more specifically Orange County, gaird Disneyland. The woman who's writing the book, her name is Glendale, which people who are not from southern California don't know. But Glendale also the name of the city in southern California right where we are. They were recording in Glendale. And when I say we're recording in Glendale, understand, I'm not talking about the woman who's in this story. That makes this story completely different. We're recording insider.
Um. So when this episode opens, Mike explains how we're all just narcissistic creatures. He makes us feel shitty about our well thanks, yeah, um, and then just really digging in how terrible theater people are getting out a clip later like wow, Mike was I don't think he likes therapy, he doesn't like he doesn't like people to begin with, and then he just even
goes the people. Yeah. Um. So I want to tell this I want to retell this story kind of in the same way that the main show does it because I love that for the first thirty five minutes of the episode, you don't know what's going on, you know, I mean, I don't know what your experience was, but when you heard this, did you think that Sam had killed this woman in his bedroom? And there was all these things pointing to why he was the guy who did it. So I
thought, this is what I honestly thought. I thought that her boyfriend had killed Sam and had and then had written words on her. I see, so, but I was confused. But then I was also like he tried to make it seem like that and had taken off yes, because I was. And then and then I thought maybe the dad had something to do with it. I know, I yeah, that's um and the little pulling back
the curtain a little bit. When you work on these types of episodes, you sort of understand that no matter what character you introduce, everyone listening is going to assume that that person was the killer. It's just the natural way that you're like playing detective. While you're listening, you're like, well, obviously the dad had something to do with it, even though he's like sobbing on the phone with nine one one, Okay, can we get to the
nine one one call? Did nine one one operators always do that where they just try to keep you talking even though it's about nothing. That's correct. They do okay, because I was annoyed as ship with that operator. Well, can I annoy you again? Him? Play the one? All right? Do it? Maybe it was a little bit what's coming on, sir? Here's a dead body? Are you sure, sir? Did she just ask him if he's truly seeing a dead body? Yes? She did, I'm sure. Gold. Okay, hold on, just a is it someone
that you know? Sir? I don't know. Does your son know who it is? You thought? Do you know where your son is? Fair question? Okay, just keep breathing for me, sir. Okay, where in the apartment? Issue in the bedroom? Some such activities. The blood there was blood from her head. I don't know what. Okay, just staying there, Okay, don't find funny. I don't know if you gave
head sirs? Is a prank call um? To address your earlier question, though, Yes, the nine one one operators will keep you on the line until the police arrive, so they just keep asking random things right and there. Usually think she understood when he said there's a body. Do you think she understood her She didn't understand. I think it took a little bit of time for her to understand the severity of what this call really was. So she's gotten hey, my pizza place hasn't picked up many calls, and then
finally this comes in. She oh, it's real. One of the things that is sort of a trend in all these sword in Scale episodes are the nine one one operators because a lot of them are not good at their jobs, and they are, like I said, they are trying to ask questions and then they're going to relay that information to the police officers who are on their way. But most of the time they come off as like flighty and
not listening properly. There's a lot of them going like, sir, sir, you need to shut up and you need to tell me where you are right now, like they're trying to keep a handle on the situation. They do. They also use it so maybe some some evidence will fall into into the taping of the call. Yeah, that happens all the time for sure. I mean a lot of times they'll be a killer who's called nine one one on themselves and they'll like admit that they did it, you know,
and then that phone call becomes really important. Um, But like you, I also thought the dad had something to do with it, even though, because he was kind of an asshole back to us. So you're like, oh, so daddy knows what happened, right, But the sad truth, of course, is that he has nothing to do with this. Sorry, sorry daddy, Yeah, sorry, didn't mean to put you in a bed
situation. Yeah. The body found in his son's bedroom was twenty three year old Julie Kubuish and excuse me. On her back were were words that said all yours fuck you, which we find out later is I guess, a way to try to deceive police. Further, I don't know where that phrase came from. The all years part. They didn't really say where it came from. They didn't get to it. I didn't know. I mean, he what happens is this guy Daniel who we haven't met yet. He is
deliberately trying to throw police off his tracks. But he didn't say where he comes up with that idea. Yeah, exactly, because it did to me. Yeah, I don't know. I don't want to get ahead too far. Sure, No, let's do it. Okay, So they think that what's his face, I'm such a reporter that he had that the murder victim had slept with the murderer's girlfriend, right, they don't know if it was for sure, but it wasn't not confirmed exactly, which I was just like,
that's a weird way to go with it. Yeah, so maybe that was a right but going with everything that we know about the story, at the end of the story, he had already killed the boyfriend, and then those words all yours, fuck you were too who who? Right? Because the person that yours would have already been dead, um and headless and headless as well. Yeah, well, you know, let's just tell the whole ending right now. I just ruin it. I just said I'm not good
at these situations. So, but when you're listening to this episode, though, this guy Sam who left this body behind is missing. Now we've already hinted the fact that he's dead, but the police have no idea, and they think that this guy, who it turns out, has once been accused of murder before, has now struck again and is on the run, right, which couldn't be farther from the truth, Which is interesting because we find
out that he's kind of completely done a one eighty as a person. Yeah, so's he's actually a good guy by the sounds of it, and he's trying to become the best thing he can be. He's trying to be all he could be joining your army. So this guy Sam, the army should use this, by the way, they should use this thing. Let people know you could get killed at home. Join the army. Now. Yeah, it's a good recruitment video. You're right. So Sam and Julie were
only friends. They say in this episode that Sam was like a big brother to Julie. He felt protective of her, she'd sleep on his couch. This all sounds like classic friend zone. You know, when I hear this story, it sounds like every relationship I ever had in high school theater,
which was a showmance, which is right. You're trying to go after the really cute, pretty girl who's the popular girl, and she can make you feel like a million bucks, but she's never gonna be your girl, right, you know, she's just gonna get you to do things for her. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, So you know, I appreciate the nobility of the storytelling that Sam was like a big brother to this girl. But remember
they were not and Sam and Julie were not in theater. It was the other two, right, Well, I think they said that Julie was also in theater. Oh, I didn't get that. I didn't hear that. I didn't. I knew she was, she was helping, she was his tutor, Sam's tutor, but I didn't know she was in theater. I guess, you know, I might be kind of I think, finding a few different things and just drunk in of power and feel like you should be running the whole show. I'm so obvious, aren't I. There's going to
be a murder on the shoe. Yeah. So let's talk a little bit though about this previous accusation of from her. Okay, because you were saying that you had actually heard of that part of the story. I remember. So it's it's around two thousand and two. I moved here two thousand and one, and I was living in a horrible hotel in Hollywood called the Hollywood Hotel on I think it was Hollywood Boulevard and I want to say Western okay, um, And I remember watching all about these kids. This kid had
been murdered because he had turned his friends in on something. They were selling drugs and kind of thing, and he turned them in and one of them had got him to come and they were all there and they murdered him. Yeah, and this sounds like this is the exact same. And the funny part was I remember this because I watched it, and then I got on a plane and went to New York and filmed another code and I was doing Laconi a lot of that time. Yeah. Now he doesn't even recognize me
when I say him, murder you. According to there's an article that I found. According to Los Angeles County court documents, prosecutors believe that her and seventeen members of the quote Brown Familia gang ambushed a rival gang member in a Santa Clarita parking lot January two thousand and two. Prosecutors allege that the group beat nineteen year old Byron Benito with crowbars and stabbed him thirty three times.
It was us eventually striking a fatal blow by puncturing a lung, And it looks like had some sort of targeted for revenge after another member was found slain. So there's a lot of crazy shit going on, and they sort of gloss over in the episode. But this guy Sam, he had a confession, but then it was thrown out for technical reason. It was crazy that a guy. I was just like, what, Yeah, can you imagine confessing and still getting away with it? Yeah, or confessing And then they
were like, oh, we didn't push record. Yeah, do you mind taking it back? Can we go back and do the second take of that? I would be like, no, that was it. Yeah, but it's not looking good for this guy. Also, they say he's got fully sleeved tattoo arms. It just sounds like a criminal. Yeah, you know, yeah, and he's young. And he's like, isn't it weird when you see somebody with expensive tattoos and they're not at the age of making that
money to be able to throw it away on expensive tattoos. Yeah, you're okay, do you have any tattoos? I have one of a red star? Oh? I was allergic to it, to all the breakage for people who can't see this, and just rolled down his pants and he's showing me a tattoo in a very inappropriate I read read I bent over to show my red star. It's how am I supposed to transition from that? If you
can transition from buttle um? All right, so let's go back to We'll kind of let up to this murder because again, this is a show about a murder. Okay, um, Sam, who is this supposed killer who's on the run, had been texting to this girl Julie throughout the previous day, and earlier in the day mentioned something about helping his friend Dan move some things. Remember that part people. But as it got later at night, he starts texting, can you come over to my place tonight? I'm very
upset. I need to talk no sex, which apparently was part of the another really weird thing. If they're just to me, I think should have raised her like if they weren't, Like, why would you have to tell me? Right, you've never told me this before. Yeah, you would immediately think that this is not my friend. But why would you ever feel good? Why would you ever think that, Oh, texts coming from this person aren't really from that person. But that is of course the reality of
it. And you know, the shitty part about murder is you can't have twenty twenty hindsight when you're the victim. M there you go, Oh that didn't make sense. Already dead, Yeah that's true. Maybe oh man, my fault, that's true. It doesn't work that way. So the detectives
kind of after they are called to investigate this dead body. They are what doing when police do, which is follow every lead that they can to try to figure out what the hell's going on and the yes, and they noticed there was some bank activity on Sam's bank card, this guy who was on the run allegedly, and they found four separate cash withdrawals using this guy's card. But when they check the cameras at the banks, it wasn't Sam getting
money out. It was a random teenager. And they did some great detective work because they saw the card was used to order pizza. So then they went to the pizza place to get the address for where the pizza was dropped off. Now, I think this could have been a major mistake because we all know the classic pizza prank where you or somebody else they could have kicked down the wrong door, the original what do they call it swatting or swarming?
The original that was the original one where yea, what do you do with pizza places? Not cops? That's right, kids today, I don't know about that. Yeah, it was a great trick to play um. But when police arrived, they just found this scared teenage boy who had absolutely no idea what any of this murderer thing was about, and this guy Sam was still nowhere to be found in Long Beach by the way, just legendary, humble brag. It's a long beach. There you go. Well,
we then get to what's the first commercial break in the episode. When we get back, we learn finally about this guy Daniel Wasniak, who we don't know is actually the most important character in this entire story, one of Sam's neighbors, right, which was another detail that I felt was not exactly clear first time listening to the episode until way later they to the fact that their neighbors. It was a very confusing part of the story from a question for
Yeah, yeah, remember when the dad's in the apartment. Yes, was that Dan that came to the door? Oh could have been I wonder if it was coming back to the scene. Yeah, hey, what's going on? Yeah? Oh so yeah, that could be out who he's talking to kind of in the background. Oh yeah, that's crazy. Yeah, that's
even creepier. Now, did you typical singing weirdo? Speaking of typical singing weirdos, I want to play now the first clip of this woman Glendale who's writing a book about Daniel, and this is her talking about Daniel kind of what he was like and how they met. I actually met Daniel Wazniak almost exactly ten years from today. I met him in two thousand and ten. He seemed just like a musical theater actor, which might not relate to everybody, but he was happy, go lucky, or at least that was the
persona. He made a lot of jokes, he liked, you know, singing randomly. Boy. He was gregarious, very friendly, very outgoing, and it seemed to me like most people liked him, at least, you know what I could see on the surface, people liked him. Yeah, that's what I mean. Like, I just feel like you were saying to you, these people exist in the in the comedy world. Yeah, I
mean I feel very similar to this type of guy as well. Um, I think there's a difference though, Right, there's the guy that that has that personality that you just want to be around. Sure, there's the guy that's fake that does all those things. Yeah, and he feels like number two. I think you're right, which would explain why Mike Budet is very judge. I gotta play this clip too, because again actually comes right after this description of Daniel too. Come on, you know the type. It's
always like they're on stage performing. It's a whole personality. I've met a few of this type of person They're pretty annoying. All the world's a stage and that sort of thing. It's like the entire universe was designed for the performance of their life. Now, I always thought that was what my life was, but apparently it's not true. This is the performance of my life of my life. Um, but I wonder, what's up, Mic, Why don't you like the theater? Why has everything gotta be a horror Mike?
Yeah, I uh, he doesn't. He does say something like, come on, well, I don't know that guy. Yeah, exactly anywhere, and we're all like yeah, and then and then some of us are like, oh, so this woman Glendale was a community theater director in Orange County I used to be, which just makes me think, what musical is she doing? Right, because she sounds like Harvey Fierstein Young you know what I mean? Yeah, Well, the musical in this particular episode is a
musical called nine Are you familiar with I'm not. And when I heard it, I'm like, Nope, I'm not looking it up. Let me download you on some info because I do happen to know a little bit about this show, because you've done it before. Well I'm not that one, but I've did a lat theater, so little film lesson here. There's a movie called Eight and a half, very famous Italian movie made by Federico Fellini.
Oh movie. If you remember the scene in Pulp Fiction where John Travolta and Uma Thurman are dancing and they do a little v thing over their eyes, that scene is lifted directly from Eight and a Half. White it's this movie as well, now, Taranto. The movie Eight and a half is a very famous movie about a director and all the women in his life and how they've sort of shaped who he's become. They took this movie and they turned it into a stage musical called Nine. They just rounded up. It's just
nine women that have God. That's right. And they actually made another movie of the stage musical with Daniel day Lewis singing and dancing. It's not worth your time. It's terrible, but that's the story of nine. There you go, just talk you a little bit about it. It's a musical theater, though it shouldn't be about nine women that shaped his legs. Ye, should be about nine men that shape Yeah, that's how the industry works. Yeah, absolutely, it's true. No, no, no, not hate,
that's just truth. I want to play another clip of Glendale talking about what a talented actor Daniel. It's not you know, did Daniel Wazniac have the greatest singing voice in the world. No? Did he have a nice, deep, loud voice, yes? Could he hold a tune? Yes? Was he likable on stage? Yes? Was he a brilliant act? He was? Okay, I mean if I die and somebody says that about me, I would be crushed. My soul will forever be crushed. It was so funny. The whole thing says so much that first of all,
it's just like, well, you booked him. Yeah, That's what I'm thinking when I hear that, I'm like, you were just saying like she should have lied and said he was fantastic he had a great voice, like that, because it says so much about her. Yeah, your ability to cast a child like I was. And you know, we we wanted to have a barbecue, but we could only get McDonald's. You know what I mean, Like, that's exactly what she's saying, because that's all as we
could afford. Yeah. Also again just going was he good? No? Was he loud? Yes? Yes he was? And isn't that those people? Oh yeah, those people are always bad, but they're loud. They're playing. It's a projecting. You got to play to the back of the theater. It's a very small theater. I want to tell them. Um. So she talks about how she auditioned him and asked him in this show nine and she was wanting him to audition for another musical called bat Boy.
You know, we had another shitty thing we are doing and we needed another shitty actor. So I said, why the hell, let's get Dad Yet it must be available now. Bat Boy is pretty good musical. By the way, there was if you remember that music or the supermarket tabloid that says bat Boy found in cave. Somebody turned that into a full figured I figured it wasn't about a kid that was getting bats to the baseball players. Bat Boy. I'm gonna need another wooden one. I'm gonna need another wooden one.
This is aluminum. You're shilling bat Boy. I would pay so much money for that. What's the good now? That's all right, a little bit did people like him? Kind? It's just crazy. So he's apparently starring in all these musicals opposite his fiancee, Rachel Buffett, and she's subscribed right off the bat as being a bit snobbish, and we kind of find
out that she's maybe a little bit of a mastermind herself. Um. They do give a little background that she was acting in the character department at Disneyland. She was an Alice also Wonderland Maximum Velocity. Yes. Um, But this whole bat Boy musical thing was not to be because Daniel got arrested. Oh can I go back to her? Yeah? Please, seventy five percent of the women in musical theater or her? Right. I'm gonna get guys to do things for me, yeah, or not even guys. I'm gonna
get anybody that thinks I'm attractive to do things for me. I'll tell you what, if I was an attractive girl, I'd probably do the same thing. If I was a hot girl, my career would be on fire. Yeah, I would be. I'd be sleeping with the oldest executive out there. I wouldn't even sleep. I was just being so close that we almost left again, it's perfect. It's a perfect plan. So hot girls, he was your talent for evil, not good. Believe it or not,
Daniel was arrested for a bank scheme. They just arrested him because they found that kid with the credit card he handed him over, right, right. They didn't even know that there was this murder happening, you know, just a couple days before. And it was a little sloppy right on Daniel's part. Yes, like I didn't really figure out where he got this kid. Yeah, I agree, that wasn't really that clear. And then he just
kind of paid somebody to help get month out for him. It was just like riding down the street and said, hey, that kid needs four hundred bucks or something that It was weird, right, And the other thing was like, well, who doesn't know you shouldn't do that? Right like that, there's video cameras everywhere. Yeah, yeah, exactly, some old man just sitting up there with a super eight. Yeah. Um, but the cops know at least a little little bit more of the story, which is
that they do know about there's a murder as well. Um, so there's this scene in the interrogation room that I want to play for you where by the way, it is a scene. It really does seem like a scene. Yeah, Daniel is showcasing his incredible acting ability. Um so here he is talking his way out of what's going on. Action came down and said it helped me. I went upstairs and yes, I saw the God damn by is that much lying here? So we're gonna hear the truth that is
the truth, and tell us what happened. How did that play out? And what did you do when you got up there? How did your DNA get on her? What's that? Because that was right? Okay, So how did your DNA get on her that I don't DNA doesn't just full off. I don't know. I didn't do anything. So a shooter. He's got this whole story that Daniel's telling the police that his buddy Sam came up to him and was like, I just killed somebody. I don't know what
to do, And Daniel was like, whoa pump the brakes. Let me try to help you, and you know, I'm gonna help you clean up this mess. And that was sort of what his original story to police was. And there must have been that must have been like this wasn't cleaned up that. Yeah, you're arrested like that. It was so bad. Yeah. So the investigators take like a break, and Daniel calls up his fiancee and tells her in very explicit terms, don't get rid of the evidence or
hang on to the evidence. And Rachel knows that this line's being recorded because she's thinking at least three percent clearly here And so do you think he he knew as well? I don't. I just think he's a fucking idiot. I mean, he just was so I just he just seems like such a buffoon. Was he a good actor? No? Was he a good writer? No? Yeah? Was he loud? He was? Which he isn't that thing. He definitely is. Even what he says it was like to
talk to God, damn it exactly. It really is showcasing his acting talents for a nineteen thirties film, right, Oh that's right, one of the first talkies. Oh it's kind to make crazy. God damn it, it got away. Say, um, how did my danna get honor? You tell me? You know the police? Yeah, it's crazy. Uh So, after he makes his phone call, he then goes back into the police room. The police room, the interrogation room, and he just straights up,
straight up admits what he did. Now investigators are not expecting to hear what he's about to say. Well, they didn't. They had him there for an hour. They must have been shocked, like that was the easiest case they've ever had a break. Yeah, well, here's the confession right here. He said, you want to talk to me, what's going on? I'm crazy and I did it. He gay one, I killed Julie and I killed him. Boom boom shows over, good night. Yeah,
thanks guys, thanks for listening. Also not very well acted. I'm crazy, I'm crazy and I did it. The most he's loud, but when he's crazy, he's quiet. Yeah, his instincts are just totally wrong. Now we find out that Sam told this guy or sees me, Daniel told this guy Sam that he needed help moving, He needed help loading some stuff, and had lured him to this theater, and when he asked Sam to pick something up, Daniel pulled out a gun and shot him in the back
of the head twice. He took his phone, he took his wallet, but he left the body in the attic of this theater, which it was pointed out, was still in use at the time, there was like a children's performance. Shot him while there was a kids show going on right now. He left the body behind, talked to his fiance say about what happened, and then the two of them go on stage and perform a musical that night at different city. I don't know if you remember the best performance of
his life. That's right, according to Glendale. Now, after the show concluded, he returned to his apartment, and that's when he started texting Julie, saying, you know, pretending to be Sam because he had his phone. And the only reason he's texting Julie because Julie happens to make the most random thing and checks on her friend, Hey how are you. Yes, she says, hey, how are you, and the killer, using the victim's phone, drops his own name. He goes, oh, not much,
just hanging out with Dan, helping Dan. Oh no, no, no, no, is there is there an undo? Yeah? That is one of the most bone headed moves of this entire st just replied to all. Now because he did that, Now, he's automatically made it so that she knows too much, right, and he's extra dumb because it's not like the police don't find all of these texts afterward anyway. He's just he's so dumb. But he's also got a taste for murder. That's right now.
Dan says in his confession that he told the story to his fiance and then she got sleepy and went to bed, and that's when he snuck out and committed this horrible Let's reenact that. Let's reenact that. Who do you want to play? I'll be Rachel, all right? Heynight. So you were like, that was the performance of a life. I something I have to tell you. I murdered I'm mister here today. Wait, you murdered him. I shot him in the back of the head while we were moving something.
He didn't help well enough, and I shot him in the back of the nap. Well, I'm exhausted just hearing that. I'm gonna go take a nap. You got to sleep. I'm right to kill somebody else. Wait, n scene. Wow, that's exactly how it would do. So Dan says, of course, all the stuff about Rachel being asleep. But Glendale, the woman who's writing the book, she is suggesting that Rachel was definitely involved with all of this texting that LRD this poor girl to her death.
I'll do my impression with Glendale. He liked, attacked everyone. She're the American Texter, and July'd attacked Dan on the other hand, what are they a good Texter? No? Did he text? Yes, he texted in all caps, very loudly, very loudly. Now we get to a scene that's just described by Boudet, which I thought was a pretty chilling scene, which is this idea of Dan meeting Juliet at the door and be like, oh, hey, Sam contacted me too, Let's go in and help
him together. And then once that door was closed behind her, it was game over. Are you sure not gonna be sex? That's what you must have said. And Dan allegedly got nervous and went into the bathroom for like a minute to try to cool his nerves, and then he kind of did the same thing he did to Sam, which is he said, hey, look at that, what's that? And then as soon as she turned around,
she's dead. I don't understand, like he must, how he would have been able to do that to both of them with a gun, Like yeah, without people hearing it or something, you know something, it's very weird, Like I don't. I don't know. You must have snuck on him somehow, right. It doesn't seem like it was as easy as he made it sound. I feel like they died in a bad way, Like he pulled the gun on him and then he said get on your knees and
shot him in the head. Yeah. Yeah, which is I know, horrible the thing to think, but to me it seems correct rather than what he says. It's also weird that you mentioned that because a lot of times in these true crime cases, people are calling nine one one to report gunshots, and that doesn't happen in this story. I didn't even think of that. Yeah, so it's sharing a kid's play a gunshot. It is sort of strange that all these things are happening. I didn't even think of that.
Like the Wiggles was great, but that gunshot really Yeah, that was seemed weird. An act too, wasn't it though it was in a it was on a military compound. Yeah that I think that's right. I got a little confused with some of that storytelling. I do believe that that was part of it as well. But returning to the murder of Julie, there was, of course this idea that he staged it to look like a sexual assault, and I thought he was staged something like that, so he must
have slept pretty nasty all around. I would think, well, I figure out what you how was she? I'm just mumbled it. I figured out how I got his DNA on her? Well, exactly, that's what I was going to say. That's the only they don't ever say in this episode that he raped her, But there is this allusion to the fact that there's DNA on her. I didn't even think about that. How did you get a DNA on her? Yeah, He's like I was standing over the body
with my deck outcoming on her. That's not how DNA works. I apologize. This is a filthy episode. It is to way too inappropriate. Speaking of inappropriate, here's the really really fucked up part of the episode, which is the body that was in the attic needs to be disposed of, and so Dan decides to take the body apart, one limb at a time, and then take the remains to like a nature preserve and throw them out, try to let the animals take care of it. So he decapitates the body,
takes off either one or both arms. It was a little unclear to me. Didn't want to google that picture. But what do you think of this guy's plan? It's so bizarre. It's so bizarre that because he's crying when they're asking him questions. Anyway, he's crazy. I can't imagine being able to butcher somebody. Yeah, and what they always say is that it takes a lot longer than you think it's going to Oh I didn't know they say that. Yeah, I think Rachel helped. Oh you think she was
there? Oh that's even don't you like? Yeah, I don't see why not have an extra pair of hands like that, do you know? Yeah, well, they have a thing that has alibi for why she wasn't there during the murder. But it's in the addict of the theater, right, Ye? How is there blood nuts seeping through some place? Like that's a lot of blood coming out of something. Yeah, especially if they're starting to get dismembered and stuff. That's yeah. More, And it's not like immediate,
it's a couple it's a day afterwards or something. Yeah. Yeah, let alone the smell all that, and then he just he put the head in the backpack or something like he was taking it out one piece at a time, yep, and didn't get very far. Yeah. I mean, I guess the idea of letting the animals take care of it, and that's not the worst idea, but yeah, just five feet from the main drag
of that was the mistake. It's, uh, well, it's obviously committed by a crazy person, so I don't know if it's a crazy person or just an arrogant idiot. Well, he definitely falls into both of those camps.
Ignorance and arrogance are a horrible way to go. Oh, what I was going to say before this woman Glendale mentions this idea that when somebody plans for murder, they also plan for an investigation, so they often leave false clues, which I thought was it's kind of like stating the obvious, but I liked I never really thought of it that way, that if you are going to try to commit something horrible, you do understand that there's a consequence
to it as well. And so what year did this happen? This happened in two thousand and ten. Here's one of my problems. How does she not finished this fucking book? Yeah, well now it's now it's a blog now, Yeah, she's a blog called Daniel's My Friend, which did that part? I don't. I don't know if we've gotten too far on that part. We've arrived, We've arrived there, because that's that annoyed me.
Yeah, and she just seemed when she says, well, I as I went to the you know, I when I called where it is and he's at the Orange Council. I went and started talking to him and start I'm like, oh, if anybody sees an opportunity, it's you, lady, like you're It's just like it was gross, definitely capitalizing. Don't kill me Glendale because you're probably listen to this and Glendale. Yeah. Yeah, I like how she explained that she reintroduced herself. It was just curious how he
was doing. Hello, Daniel, do you remember me? I was the director that booked you, even though you shit. Yeah, I'm glad you never asked me what you thought of my performance? Yeah? Um and uh. Ultimately we learned that money was the actual motivator. And Daniel had to fight about this with my wife. Oh really, yeah, well she'll I
briefly give the scenario and then you tell me where the talking. So the idea was that Daniel and Rachel were planning on getting married, which is obviously very expensive, and they needed money for the honeymoon, and they were going into crazy debt, so they started asking people all over the place for money, and somehow, little do they know how weddings happen, people bring you
gifts. Daniel somehow knows that this guy Sam has sixty thousand dollars saved up in his bank account, and that's sort of how he hatches this plan. And there's allegedly an affair going on too. I think it's all the affair. I think the money's bullshit, because how is he going to get the sixty thousand dollars? That's right. You can't just have that little kid pull it out four dollars at a time. It's not going to happen. So I called my wife. Well that's what they say. I'm like, I
say, bullshit. It was definitely the affair, and that's why he killed him. And he probably would have got less time for saying it was a passion passion killing, right, Yeah, well the whole d heading. Yeah. I don't know if he's gonna get less time, but he would what a crime of passion isn't. Don't you get what if you necessarily get a reduction, But it's certainly can help a little bit, I think, and I think people look at you a little different. Yeah, that's true.
Right. That guy was fuking my woman that I was marrying, and that's why what not like with both parts. That guy was wuking my woman. But he had sixty thousand dollars. Yeah, so I was fine with that
if as long as we could kill him. And it's also has pointed out in this episode weird that he's trying to get money to pay for the celebration that he's going to have with the woman that he knows is having an affair like this is not a great foundation for it's not there's nothing about this relationship that is good. Now, this guy got arrested at his bachelor party, which if you were one of that guy's friends, that had to be the
most epic bachelor party you've ever been to before. As the donkey's leaving him come to yeah, exactly, And I was wondering, do you have any good bachelor party stories? Uh? No, I don't think I say anything. I don't think I've ever been to a bachelor party. Really. Yeah, Trent's my buddy. Trents wasn't. We had to strip her up in Edmonton with that, so she was she was a little rough. So you know she's a Canadian stripper. Canadian strippers huh yeah, wear gloves. They're
more polite, more polite. I'm about to get questions asked about japenance grind Dan you um so getting to the wrap up of the story here. Sorry, people listening, We've got to get wrapped up to them. Oh no, I'm just trying to look at my notes here. But I think it kind of circles back to what we were talking about earlier, which is they never explicitly say that they did have an affair, but they also never denied it either. I think this is when we asked people. I want to
ask the people and have them reach out to us. Can I do that? Am allowed to do that? Oh? Yeah, sure? We have. We have phone numbers for everybody episode. I want to know. I want to know if they think that I'm right where it was about him sleeping with his woman, yeah, or whether it was actually about the money. I think you've convinced me though, especially with this angle of how is he ever going to get that money, right, There's just no way. It's
just like no, what he did he get a checkbook? Like they didn't. There's just they didn't say anything that they were with any way that he was going to get that money. I wonder too if it isn't sort of a strategy to help this girl, Rachel kind of get away with it a little bit. If it's I think she did it, well, not that she did it, but as they say in this episode, she gets arrested
really just for lying to authorities. She's arrested for. She spends like thirty two months in jail, so just shy of three years and she's already out back on the market. Buzz. That's right. But if she was really the one texting and or as you say, possibly helping to pull this body apart, she should absolutely Yeah. So I wonder though if having an affair, the line of we had an affair doesn't draw her more into these events, And so it's like a legal strategy for them to not say anything about
or about more. They'd say more about money, right, And it's just a way that they have like proof of things that have to do with money. You know, when your client is guilty of a crime. You're trying to like find a way to get them lesser punishing. They say, follow the money, And if you follow the money, there wasn't much money. Yeah, and with the plan he had going on, there wasn't gonna be much money. He was just using those credit cards to make it seem like
he was still alive. Yeah. So right, there's that too. Yeah, I mean, I think you're right. I think it was probably more of a crime of passion that he planned. It seems like it makes more sense that way. I got one more clip to play. No, please, I didn't. I just why didn't he kill her too, Rachel? I think because he loved her even after all this. Okay, but I'm just a romantic, you know, you are a romantic youse Like He's like, I'm will murder somebody, but I love you forever, and I don't
like murder everybody. Well I feel bad for Julie. Yeah, well of course. I mean there's always somebody in these events that you know, and that's not so much I feel. You know, Julie doesn't know what's going on, but her family's just a mass I guarantee is. Yeah, it's terrible. Um. This last clip that I want to play is between Daniel
and Rachel, these two actors. He's in jail, she's not, and it sounds this is before she got arrested, right it must be, Yeah, this is the call that It just sounds so scripted and weird, stilted line readings. But then Daniel starts hysterically sobbing in the middle of it, the worst crying. Now, I felt like it was very loud. You a good crier? No, but he was loud. Let's let's play.
He was a dry, loud crier. All right, let's play. I really because I thought it was the only way I could take care of you. Because I was a failure. I'm sorry. I couldn't be the man that you needed. Okay, So maybe why do you leave your family? Then? My resome is I almost reached the point where I almost killed them? Could you almost reach the point where you killed me? No? Never, I promise you were my only light. You're never gonna see me again.
Maybe you're gonna see me again. I'm gonna come you all the time. What a bad cray. I do love you very much. You are so insane and so stupid, But I know, in your quitted little mind you were doing it. I don't want it to be happy with me and I wait, you for it up? Oh was there? Okay? I love you. I'll be like, oh yeah. She should have said, look, man, you're in prison, you gotta fucking quick crying like a bench, that's what she should have said. Yeah, Oh my god.
When I hear her talk, I just feel like she's definitely guilty right lay way more. It really does feel like a thing that she scripted and wrote, but doesn't make sense because he was she was fucking what's his face? So you think she would have the guy that was killed killed Daniel, right, Yeah, to be with the other guy, but somehow he's tricked her into thinking she should stay with him. It's so weird. Yeah, I
personally feel like the sobbing crying stuff. To me, it sounds real, And even though it sounds so over the top crazy, there's a part of it that feels really real to me, Like I have a weird little radar that kind of goes off when I'm here. Really it's not very well calibrated. I'm wrong a lot, but I definitely felt funny. I definitely felt like it's broken, but I I have this gift, I have this thing I listened to. It never works, but I don't really have any proof
of it. He's obviously a nut job, but I just there's something about the way he's saying, like we'll never see each other again. It just feels real to me in that moment. But I don't know. My wife showed me a picture of him. Oh yeah, And I didn't think he was a bad looking man. Was he a bad looking man, no, Nazi loud. Was he gorgeous? Not so much, But I thought he could he couldn't meet another because it almost seemed like, if you leave me,
I'll never get somebody again. Yeah. Well, they even say in I think Glendale is the one who says that she thinks that if Daniel had never met Rachel, none of this would have ever happened because he was just this nice, gregarious guy. But she sort of, because he was trying to be the strong man, she was able to kind of make him manipulate, you know, manipulate him a certain way. Glendale said, if they had never met, Matt Boy would be still on stage right now. Yes,
my book is almost finished. Her voice is crazy. Yeah, it really is. They finished this thing, right, and then I'll tell you something. Yeah, so they sought the death penalty for Daniel and they got it, but there's never any executions in California, so he's likely just going to die of old age on death row. Though I do remember that the chances are he'll die of old age before he gets to death penalty. I'm like, what else, there's no other like, you just say he's gonna
die of old age. You don't say chances are. Chances are he's gonna slip on something, and that right, that's true. I did like, though, the last words of this episode, which is that now he's surrounded by the worst of the worst and they're not acting, but he'll fit right in. I thought that was a pretty chill way to end that episode, because just like all the jerks in this show, he's a fucking creep. He's a creep. Michael Boudet knows how to put words together. He sure
does. Thank you, Mike Buday, by the way for letting us do this ship. Yeah, thank you man, thank you. I do enjoy talking about the murder with you. Ian. It's fun. It is fun. I'm sorry, I'm so loud and gregarious. Well we do it. Yeah, you feel safe? Yeah? Why'd you lock the door? Why did you lock the door? Well that's our show, folks. Thanks again for listening. We're gonna be back next week with another great episode. Yeah, and thanks again to Ian. By the way, you're on social media,
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