Episode 145: The Octopus Conspiracy

Welcome to the one hundred and forty fifth episode of the Supernatural Occurrent Studies podcast So Damn Paranormal. My name is Jason Knight, host of the show, and with me, as always is Oscar Spector, producer extraordinaire and podcast co host. Listeners, If you'd like to skip our intro, go to the show notes. There'll be a timestamp there waiting for you to get you to the topic and it will lead you right back to here. That's right. Listen to the intro. Yeah, listen to the intros. Damn it.

Yeah, yeah, you know you love us. You want to know what's going on in our lives. Creepers, we're not. We're insulting that for listening to the intro, I think I think this is mixed messaging going on here. Yeah, that was a little well, what are you gonna do? It's not like a like a comet, like a like an abusive parent. Oh that's a that's the abusive, manipulative stuff you're doing there, just saying just saying, I'm sorry, I saw sharp objects. This is bad.

How are you doing? Okay? But coming off you know, busy week, very busy week at work, boring stuff, although I did. I did start a project. I don't know if I should mention it here. Yeah, I'll mention it here. You did jazz hands as as you did. It was a project chance. Yeah, there you go. So I started a Halloween project Oscar hmmm. And I am building early, yes, starting early because it's gonna take a lot of work. But I'm building

a life size movie, accurate. Jason Vorhees from Friday the Thirteenth, Part four, the Final Chapter and okay, yes it wasn't the final chapter it was supposed to be. But so bad. Then later when movies call themselves when the titles have the word last or final, yep, because if it's not, you're fucking it up. You know. Well that's right, because like a year later they came out with the New Beginning, So there you go. Yeah, well yeah, in recent history, like The Last Sexism,

right, I thought it was a fine movie. They made a part two? How is it the Last Sexism? As terrible title? Now it really is ruined that movie for me. Sorry, continue, No, that's awesome, by the way, guys, yeah, yeah, oh, thank you. Yeah, And that's kind of what the way this you know, Friday thirteenth Part four is the final chap kind of the same thing, but it did and it went on for what another six I believe at least at least but yeah, life size movie accurate. Jason Voorhees from my front lawn

for Halloween. Uh, and I'm actually chronicling the build kind of a video journal for Patreon and I'll release sometime in October as an extra bonus for October on Patreon, the build of this thing. But it's gonna be It's gonna be cool. I'm really excited, and I know how crazy you are, so I don't he'll look nice. I'm sure. Thanks not to add more pressure, but because I know how people are like that sometimes, like oh man, I can't wait for that, Like shit, no, I really

got to do it right, you know, it's very right. So I'm excited about this cool. How are you gonna make him lafe size? Right? So? How tall is Jason warhiz oh taller than me? Ever every week he's especially as the movies progress, he gets really ogrish. Uh really yeah, I mean both actors play him and yeah, right and stuff. So part four then, how how tall is he? In Part four? I would say he's got to be at least six six sixty seven. That's

what I'm guessing. And as I assume that's that's how's all you're gonna make. Yeah, so he's part of a mannequin. I have to modify some things on the mannequin to get it the size I need. But I'll chronicle that whole thing for Patreon. Yeah, put lifts on them and sad lips and eyelashes. No, I mean lifts like you know, the lips. No, no, no, lifts to make them tall. We'll talk about tall and uh, you know, to elevate his stature or like just put

them on top of a bunch of phone books. Right. Well, I mean you can do all sorts of cool things if if it's done right, you can hide stuff that's true. That's true. You know, there's a there's an entire I know, I mean this is not too late, because I'm sure you got this going where you know how to start it and all that already. But there is an entire go system of people and groups of people and communities of them, right that deals with cosplay and any of this

kind of thing, because it's it's like a way of life. And some of them make it into careers that. I'm sure you could mind their advice and stuff like that if you ever needed, if you just look for that kind of thing. Yeah, there's a couple of things I've looked up already in some of those type of forms. How to weather clothing. You know, some of the clothing I've got for him is brand new. You can't do that. It's got to be right weathered correctly. Yes, we did

talk about that. Yeah. Yeah, so see it's fun. Got a little hobby until October. I love it. Because speaking of speaking of that, I've also I had a week off. Reasons are not important, but I had a week off, and in that week off, I did what I mean, I did. So I want to include the food stuff exactly because I figure that's more boring. But like, you know, like I made scones for the first time, and I made like a couple of TikTok recipes just to see if they worked, just for funzies, and then they

did work. Actually they did, one of them not so much, not as much as the rest, but one of them in particular is kind of like a favorite, and a course is the fattiest one. But I'm not going to get into that right now. But I did other stuff, other projects akin to your art project, Jay, I did what I do. I did. I made my own soap. You made your own soap, two different batches, and I made them two different scents, obviously other than other than the coffee. And they're blonde ropes, by the way. So

I made him at home. You can make soap now without using lie, which lie is a very dangerous chemical. I'm thinking fight club here right now. That's what my brother said, first fucking thing he said. I'm like, I'm glad you said that, and not that I was going, Oh, Martha's through it on you and shit, because you could go either way. Usually more of a you know, I'm not saying it is whatever. You know, people say it's kind of really. I mean, I don't

think so. I just wanted to see if I could do it. So anyway, I did the different batches, and I included coffee grounds in one and then the other one I put coffee beans, you know, and and I tried, yeah, right exactly, and you know, I obviously a couple of mistakes, No big deal. It came out. I mean they worked like soap. It dried really well, it's just that maybe the ratio coffee and things I put in there was either too much or too little. So I got to figure out our way around that. But I got all

the materials in advance. I got the molds and everything, and yeah, I did two batches and one smells like is it honey and vanilla? And the other one is like lemon? So oh shit, yeah, yeah, so I made that. In addition to that, I have for about a month or so, I have a masked little by little the materials too.

I'm not done with it yet though. The materials to paint glass, Okay, what I mean by paint glass, i't mean just paint that are our paint that is a safer glass or that sticks the best, although that does make sense. It's more about a very specific type of paint that is translucent, meaning that like if you were to put like the candle or a light source in the glass in the bottle, let's say, in my case bottle, the paint won't obscure it, like, it won't shut off the life

from it. It will just go through it and it will give like whatever color I put in there, right, that kind of like shimmer through it. Right, so we red colored right or green or whatever. So I bought a bunch of spray paint. There are sea glass type, I don't remember the name of it. Sorry, And what I've been when I wanting to do this for a few months now, when I realize how much of an alcoholic I've become, and I've collected all these bottles of different types of

alcohol, right, some more than others, like I have. I probably have more vodka and kalua bottles than any other one. Right, you know I have a closet full of empty bourbon and whiskey bottles. Yes, some of them are really cool bottles, right, if you'd like that. That's what I was saying that some of these some of these bottle looks badass. I don't want to just throw them out. I want to see if I could do something with them. So I started putting lights into some of them,

like string lights that I hook around. And I even have this battery power thing on the outside that I could attach to maybe with some sort of glue or maybe add al velcro thing. I haven't got the vocal okay yet, so it could be removable easy and then have it on one side and then painted certain shapes and diagrams, and I just started playing with it. But I did my first painting thing. I went to the dollar store.

I got a bunch of like practice glasses, you know, different shapes, and just started spraying them see what they look like and should So yeah, I did that too, and that's been a little fun. I can't wait to do a round two on that. And I started looking into I got the materials for I haven't started yet though, so it doesn't count, I guess, But I got the materials to make. Uh it's something they to face. It's it's not moisturizer. It's the other one, like some sort

of scouring. Uh. It is like a scarring thing. It's made out of coffee grounds. What's the name of flaxfoliator? Thank you? There it is. Yes, I got to start. I saw I saw a lot of recipes and stuff that people do online for accolating and stuff they could make a home. And I'm not much of an ascoliator, clearly because I couldn't think of the name. But I don't want to see if I can make it, and then maybe I'll use that then see how cool it works.

Or because some of them are sugar based, some of them are whatever, different types and uh yeah, So I got into that a little bit and I got the materials for it. I haven't started yet, but it looks pretty easy to make that has been you're busy on your vacation. Yeah, do I see an oscar specter Etsy shop in the future. I will, I will not. I will admit that I had crossed my mind, But first and foremost, I'm not not doing it with that in mind necessarily.

I just want to see if I can do it first and see if I like it, and obviously see what sticks. Also, because you know, just trying to have fun with my time here. Yeah, but absolutely well, you know what they say, idle hands. Yes, with Seth Green. Yes, it is a terrible movie. Who else was in that movie? I couldn't really the only one I remember, but I don't know. He was kind of the ambiguous, handsome blonde actor in the nineties. I

can't remember the kid's name. He was in quite a few movies, but I'd give you ten thousand dollars someone to pull that kid's name out of their ass if it could be some huge ass star they were just we just don't think of anymore or like or he just looks so different now, you know. But yeah, that's what happened up to over the last two weeks.

It's awesome, man. Yeah. Oh and and in the side note, I guess I finally got and this is for not for political reasons, but I finally got my second I'm vaccinated now officially my second shot and everything. Yea, and again and the new reason I didn't or hadn't before, it's just because I'm lazy. We could start getting back together again, record right, So yeah, so I got that, and uh yeah, I felt a little bad for sure, but otherwise it's fine. That was the other

news thing. I guess, nothing major. Everyone's done that or a lot of people have not everyone. That's the problem, not enough. But yeah, yeah, other than that, that's what I've been up to. Cool. Well, it sounds like we both got some good hobbies rolling and it's the guy's name is Elden Henson. You're right. He is popular from a certain era though, and it's not from recent stuff either. He's then there,

all right. That was the last thing I saw him, and I think was Daredevil's a show on Netflix plays the new Sardox the lawyer friend the other co owner of the Lawyer Front. Oh, yes, you're right, Okay, I know exactly who you're talking about. Yes, he was in Idle Hands, but there was a blonde kid too. I thought that was him. Are you sure it's so not important? I'm almost positive Jessica album

wasn't it too? I don't know that what really? M Yeah, I don't feel like I have to watch the movie to know for sure who you're talking about. But I'm not gonna see that movie again. No, no, yeah, great, it's should we get into the contact info because yes, we got we got another heavy one tonight, so we should probably get into it, give or take? Yes, all right, Well, the easiest way to contact the Supernatural Occurrent Studies Podcast is by visiting our website,

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You know that's saying something like this phone number is like saying Candyman, I haven't seen it. Instead of involking something that kills you, it's given me a mike. So that's why I'm holding my head this way, the very nick that just when you mentioned phone and number, well, are you actually saying the number yet? Yeah, it's starting to give me a migraine. That's how bad this phone number is. Sorry to say it, So I gotta do it. I gotta walk away for a minute while you say the

phone number. Go ahead, go ahead, Chicago area code eight seven to two five two nine zero seven six seven. That's eight seven to two five two nine zero seven sixty seven. Leave us a message, send us a text. We'll read them and play them on the show, Oscar. Do you want to go take some aspirins, we'll take a break. Yeah, I would love that. Actually, thank you. Okay, we'll be back.

Listeners, welcome back to the show. Well, the lights are turned down low, the ceremonial candle is lit, and those drinks are flowing. Let's start this show all right. Before we begin, I just want to put a disclaimer out there. This is a part two. Please, if you haven't done so, go back and listen to episode one four, The Octopus Murders. This is a continuation of that episode, The Octopus Conspiracy.

And it's been decided that this is going to be a three parter, a trilogy, A trilogy, Yes, and I just got to give you some inside baseball here. Once all is said and done, Oscar will have close to, if not over, a one hundred page script for this trilogy that goes to show you the level, the insane level of research and dedication that goes to this show. Oscar. Thank you. I can't anxiety. I call it anxiety fueled tons of anxiety. I can't wait to see where this

thing goes, Oscar. Why don't you go ahead and take it away man. Mm hmm, thank you, thank you, Jay, So I will I must employ you again. He did mention, Jay, he did mention. This is a part two, but I will implore you to listen or maybe even we listen part one only because the information provided to you in detail can be hard to keep up in your head. Don't get me wrong. I'm gonna do my best here to recap and to remind you of key details

to better understand the connections that I have for you today. And then one thing that you'll see that rapidly will become apparent is how much simpler the events of the previous show are compared to this show. Oh no, oh boy, I mean, get ready for more names and events and details. However, before I get too far ahead of myself. Previously on the Supernatural Occurrence Studies Podcast two Cases, we begin with a triple murder in nineteen eighty one

outside of Indio, California. Fred Alvarez, Ralph Boger, and Patricia Castro were killed. It's a professional hit and it's clear that Alvarez was the target. The case remains unsolved, but conspiracy arose when people claim that Alvarez was killed because of nefarious dealings happening at a nearby Indian reservation called Cabison Band the

Mission Indians. Alvarez was a member, and he had a few disagreements with Cabizon's financial advisor, John Philip Nichols, who is well connected and helped make the connections for a legitimate casino and growing ties with a world known security firm called Wagon Hut. Nichols was suspected but never tried, and years after the murders, was in prison for four years for trying to get guns for hire

for selfish means. Jump to the two thousands, Rachel Begley, who is Ralph Boger's daughter, starts discovering more about her father's death and the Triple Slangs. Through perseverance, Rachel manages to get the case reopen via a cold case unit and finds a man named Jimmy Hughes whom she thinks might be the killer. Having worked as security personnel, Hughes was fired from Cabison Band and became

an evangelical minister in Nondudas and headquartered in Miami. Rachel confronts him on an evangelical tour in Fresno, California, where he spills and alludes to his clear involvement to getting Alvarez and her father Boger, not to mention Castro killed in nineteen eighty one. He also boldly talks about his contract killer work in the

past for the US government. Hughes gets arrested and the trial, unfortunately for Rachel, gets shut down by the district attorney, and Rachel and conspiracy theorists become disillusioned. The case is still open. Lastly, we have a possible murder in Martinsburg, West Virginia. Freelance journalist Danny Cassilero becomes an overnight sensation among news outlets and conspiracy theorists when he is found dead in his Sheraton Inn

hotel room in nineteen ninety one. It appears that it is suicide. Razor blade, alcohol, cigarettes, and a suicide note is left behind twelve slashes to both of his wrists. Danny was driven an outgoing individual who prophesied his demise to his brother weeks beforehand. This is because of the book he was working on. He claims to have found a shadowy organization working within the halls of power in Washington and around the globe that is responsible for lots of sabotage,

money, and murder. Cassilera coined it the Octopus. He found many connections to shady doings via two primary sources, which helped them understand how a computer company, the DOJ, and eventually the triple murders in nineteen eighty one are all connected. His death was not only untimely but strange. Although ruled as a suicide by authorities and the FBI, Cassilero's many papers on his book and documents proving what he'd found were missing from his possessions, something he never

left anywhere without. Other strange details, such as his early involvement before his family was notified, also fueled conspiracy fires. Cassilero's death is very much a mystery, even taken at face value, but what's more ponderous is his echoes in the decades to come, as people have taken them men until to uncover this octopus organization once and for all. All Right. In the legal world, a conspiracy is an agreement between two or more people committing an illegal act,

along with an intent to achieve the agreement's goals. Conspiracy is a funny thing because we've all done it, though usually not illegal. In grade school, for example, my brother and I would inform the other when the latest report on our school work was due to be mailed, so that the letter can be intercepted from one of us. From parental view, we get fs g's why we tell the other brother, hey, fucking well have the fucking

mailman. Two friends would devise and manipulate a conversation with someone they like to see if they in turn like them back, usually through subterfuge. This is obviously to avoid any kind of shame, or to see if they like them before they ask them out. So the key difference between lying or playing around and conspiracy is legality. Here's some additional information on that, meaning conspiracy generally

or carries a penalty of its own. In addition, conspiracies allow for derivative liability, where conspirators can also be punished for the illegal acts carried out by other members, even if not directly involved. Thus, were one or more members of the conspiracy committed legal acts to further the conspiracy's goals, all members of the conspiracy may be held accountable for those acts, and conspiracy applies to both civil and criminal offenses. For example, you may conspire to commit murder

or conspire to commit fraud. If you recall its left and right about how and why these murders happened and are conted. The information Pridit provided to you today can easily be dramatized, but there's really no need for me. The last show had to make and model of a murder mystery thriller with a headstrong protagonist. The information and connections on this show has the bones of a more complicated political mystery, but more of an ensemble cast than just like one hero

or two heroes. Ultimately, my goal here is to instill this sense of doom. Nearly everyone I'll be talking about, which are all involved in conspiracies of their own, were not convicted for their actions. It is baffling, but especially so when you'll see how iron clad truthfuls some of this stuff ends up being and the ones that do and on the business side of the courtroom,

they are most likely there through trumped up charges. Likewise, nearly all of the people I'll be talking about merit their own spotlight, their own thing pieces and deep dives. Before I start with the first segment, I should point out that I'll be referencing back to the last show, both to refresher memories on details of the episode and to understand connection to the subject of the segment. I should also say that I'll be quoting from lots of places and

that important names mentioned in a segment might return later as a focus. The sources I used the most to gather the information are from Sherry Seymour's book and Jim Keith and Ken Thomas's book, again both mentioned on the last episode, who I also use for sources, And obviously it goes without saying the mini articles that cooperate these books and other theories. So without further ado, let's begin with the wacken Hut Corporation the wacken Hut Connection to explain where, how,

and what this company was all about. Here's a shortened version of an outdated introduction that used to be sent to prospective clients. Quote. Wackenheat Corporation had its beginnings in nineteen fifty four when George R. Wakenhut and three other former special agents of the FBI formed a company in Miami, Special Agent Investigators to provide series to business and industry. In nineteen sixty two, wacken Hut

Operations extended from Florida to California and Hawaii. On January first, nineteen sixty six, the company became international with offices in Caracas, Venezuela, through half ownership of an affiliate. The Wackenhut Corporation became public in nineteen sixty six with over the counter stock sales and joined the American Stock Stock Exchange in nineteen sixty

seven. Through acquisitions of subsidiaries and affiliates, now totaling more than twenty and expansion of its contracts and to numerous territories and foreign countries, the wacken Hut Corporation had grown into one of the world's largest security and investigative firms. There's a lot more to this company. For example, in nineteen sixty wacken Hut began extending its physical services to the US government as a subsidiary, which prohibits

set government from contracting with companies which furnish investigative or detective services. So this means it's kind of like it's kind of like visiting a bunch of divorce attorneys so that the spouse can hire it. You know, you know about this move and the legal world, it's like a monopoly move. You know, they would get contract through governments, and therefore other firms can't do the same

with the government because they already did it, you know. In seventy eight and seventy nine, wacken Hut was brought into the fields of energy maps man like the nuclear industry as well as an environmental and acquired a company specializing in outdoor electronic security. They don't work just for business and industry, though, they also take on individual clients, assuming they can afford it and have the

status. By the eighties, wacken Hut had services like insurance expectors, surveys, corporate acquisitions, pre employment screening, background reports, polygraph examinations, and general investigations for criminal fraud and arson quote. The wide variety of services offered by wacken Hut Corporation also includes guard and electronics security for banks, office buildings,

apartments, industrial complexes, and other physical structures. Training programs in English and foreign languages to apply wacken Hut procedures to individual client needs, fire safety and protective patrols, rescue and first aid services, emergency support programs tailored to labor management disputes. Which sounds shady and pre departure screening programs widely used by

airports and airlines. The company has facilities and offices, with operations spread across the US and extending into Canada, the UK, Western Europe, the Middle East, Indonesia, Central and South America, and the Caribbean. These guys sound like some shady just some bad, shady motherfuckers. Man already they do right, really just like sage business. But wow, yeah, it's a lot. It's like half the world that's right there. They're missing Australia and

Asia and Africa, I guess, but that's that's half the world. Seemingly from a so that used to work for wacken Hut via, the CIA stated the following quote. You know they've got retired Admiral Stansfield Turner, a former CIA director, Clarence Kelly, former FBI director, Frank Carlucci, former CIA deputy director, James Rowley, former Secret Service Director, Admiral Bobby ray Inman, former acting chairman of President Bush's Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board, and former CIA

deputy director. Before his appointment as Reagan CIA director, the late William Casey was wacken Huts outside legal council. Wow, no kidding, yep. And I checked most of these names, not all of them, because I have a life. I'm kidding, I'm kidding. And I checked the you know, the list on their backgrounds, and it's it's true the ties to wacken Hudster on them. Yeah, what do you think of that? So far?

Heavy heavy hitters. Yeah, And they're all have their own DOSses and ship they all have their own all these names big wigs in their own fields. I mean a lot of these guys. Basically there's spooks. Yeah, yeah, so would you say? And I hope I'm not giving away a lead here or anything, but is is wacken Hut considered the octopus? I see what you mean. No, okay, okay, no, and uh.

The reason for that simple is that there's a lot of people that have, I don't want to say, nothing to do with them, but definitely that do not work for them or do not shold stock with them, that are involved in the octopus but are not connected in that way. Maybe they use them before as a service things like that, but like not not quite so No, it's definitely it's definitely bigger than them, the octopus, I guess, but it's not their headquarters. It's some wacken Hut office at least,

not that I would imagine. Got it okay? Okay? And that's not going ahead? I mean, I actually don't know the answer quite yet to that, but based on everything I read, I would say, no, okay, fair enough. So audience out there, listeners, what do you think of this company so far? Is it great business nothing more? Or does it immediately sound sinister or potentially sinister? Let's talk about what makes

Wackenhut darker? And I'll begin with an analogy. In television, especially in the two thousands, the first few episodes, more so, the pilot establishes what the show will look like for its duration, be it twenty seasons or three more episodes. It is how a singular vision get best, gets recopied

or fortified as the show progresses. It is why Martin Scorsese directed the pilot for Borwalk Empire, why David Fincher did Mindhunter, and why Brian Singer did House and so on so on. In more than a way, it establishes their stamp of style, vile, and direction for the rest of the show, even if they never look at it again. That being said, George R. Wackenhut was antisemitic and extremely right wing. These character traits established what

wacken Hut turned into after he retired and passed. Several articles have been written about have been written concerning this nature within the bones of wacken Hut, and one in the nineties gets into it very well. Actually, they begin citing the crazy contract Wackenhut has had, like being the CIA's backup, working for the Pentagon, the FBI guarding the nuclear reactors and Alaskan oil pipelines, secretly arming Iraq and fueling unrest in Venezuela, and saying that it sounds like a

spy thriller novel, but it's all true. In the mid nineteen sixties, wacken Hut boasted to potential investors that they had files on two point five million Americans under the fire like other terrible people of locating left leaning communists meaning subversives and sympathizers two point five million. They would sell this information as needed.

Much of this came forward under a former staff member of the House Committee on un American Activities, Carl Barslag, when his private file was taken The reason wacken Hut is first on my to do list is because it's connected to the Kabison band of Mission Indians we heavily talked about on the last show. It was told in the press and other places that Wackenhut hooked up with Cabison Indians

to manufacture arms and sending them to all sorts of places. You might ask, why does the Disney of security firms want with some small reservation in California. The simplest reason is this Indian reservations are sovereign land and do not come under federal jurisdiction. Because of this, wacken Hut had to form a partnership, a joint business venture with Cabazon Indians in order to legally produce high tech

arms and explosives and be able to send them worldwide. You see, only the US government has or can lend, the green light to manufacture weapons on US soil. This was how wacken Hut was able to sitestep that while achieving maximum profits. Brilliant this way, yep. This way, wacken Hut can also avoid congressional prohibitions that would have turned up if they weren't using reservation land.

This explains how it was possible to ship weapons to the contrasts and Middle Eastern countries, for example, do you think that's the fine brilliant play I mean played by Wackenhut. These are not stupid people, right, And you see tons of examples in our day to day, in our modern history, right, like modern events, companies doing this shit all the time. To say them, right, they fucked some people over for to save X million, three billion there or whatever. Absolutely so not out of the reach of

possibility here. No, so let's dig a little deeper and you know, name some names here. Quote. In the early nineteen eighties, doctor John Nichols, the Cabistan tribal administrator, obtained the Department of Defense Secret Facility clearance

for the reservation to conduct various research projects. Nichols then approached Wackenhut with an elaborate joint venture proposal to manufacture nine millimeter machine pistols, laser sited assault weapons, sniper rifles, and portable rocket systems on the Cabison Reservation and in Latin America. At one point, he even sought to develop biological weapons unquote the fuck Supposedly this was done on one square mile of land on the reservation,

no more or less. For some reason they they really pointed that out from here. John Philip Nichols, the man I mentioned on the last show that was into some shady things, including getting arrested for trying to hire someone to kill for money, drafted a plan to provide security for a palace. This

was Crown Princess Fod's palace in TIF, Saudi Arabia. And it is safe to say that once the Crown Princess people looked into Cabston, Indians and wacken Hut their assurances that any Jewish interference or sabotage was unlikely given the company's history, meaning their right wing anti Semitic history. Therefore, they accepted the reason. The reasoning behind backing certain South American regimes and Middle Eastern royals is broad

but powerful to dissuade Communist leaning influences, particularly from Russia. Of course, as we know, George Wackenhut's company and ideals were sympatical with anti communism. Plus the very fact that the US was very much like this back then and still to more than one degree today. You know, it kind of fits a little too nicely. Think of the McCarthy era people. That's what I'm saying This leads to a myriad of connections of people and institutions that at times

has a looser grip and other times a firmer one. This kind of global business acumen leads Wackenhut and key players to get in bed with the Reagans, Bush, Nixon and other foreign dignitaries and agendas. But I digress for now. Let's connect more with Kabiston. The four key figures in the Wackenhut Cabison partnership are John Philip Nichols, Michael with Gnoshuto, Peter Zolkowski, and Robert

Fry. Now. John Philip Nichols has had enough airtime on the show with this one and the last one, and I call him like a shadow man, the man behind the scene for all the name jobs he's had since the eighties, and as powerful as his connections were, Nichols has no wiki page, for example. You know you think there would be by now, but no. Nearly everything about him is told through others and in business dealings.

What I find fascinating about Nichols, and I'll pose it as a question for you, is was John Phillip Nichols working for wacken Hut first and foremost or the Cabison Band of Mission Indians. What do you think? Well, I mean, I'm just going chronologically how the episode played out. I would say the Cabison Man of Mission Indians, especially ues, because I'm with you on

that. Yeah, but shadow Man, that's a great moniker for him, because I can tell you trying to put the episode show notes together for episode one forty four, it was fucking impossible. I finally found it, but so hard to find a picture of this man, so hard, right, Yeah, it's another prominent guy I'm gonna focus on later on. Here's a little teasier but I only saw one and it's like an older one and it looks more like a sketch than a picture. And I don't know, maybe

you can find a better one than I did. Yeah, No, I'm just but I agree with you Shatleman great. Yeah. Yeah. Now, if you recall Nichols's family, entire family worked on the reservation, his son and his wife, but Nichols Senior came into Katson a veteran at making deals, and like I said on the last show, kicking Ass, he's the person that began the venture of Cabiston and Wacken hut, even if he didn't run it the whole time. His position was officially set to administrator for the

reservation. Here's a little more on nichols quote. Police reports indicate that Nichols previously did misses in Saudi Arabia, South Africa, Panama, Nicaragua, Guatemala, Mexico, Chile, Brazil, the Netherlands, England, Canada, France, Spain, Japan, Korea, and Taiwan. In nineteen sixty, Nichols became the manager of a Coca Cola bottling plant in South Paulo, Brazil. Then he became a Pentecostal leader of the Chilean Pentecostal movement and attended several evangelical

and gospel congresses in Bolivia. When Nichols was hired in nineteen seventy eight,

Oh my God. He wrote himself a ten year contract with the Cabasan tribe that gave him fifty percent of the profits of any business he brought to the reservation in the summer of nineteen eighty and during the next three years, Nickel embarked on a series of international security and military ventures to provide security for Crown Princess Fod's Saudi Arabia Palace proposals to manufacture one one hundred and twenty millimeters combustible

cartridge cases on the reservation and in Latin and in Latin America, along with nine millimeters machine pistols, laser cited assault weapons of course, sniper rifles, and the rocket systems I mentioned earlier. That's Nicholas. What's interesting is eighty percent of the locations you named where he had done business is just a hotbed

of political turmoil. Yeah, definitely, especially around that time around Yeah, and a lot of that around that time, and some of that stuff like those from previous wars too, you think of that, Yeah, yeah, like the Korean War things like that. Yeah, this guy, it's all intentional. It's all connecting a little here. Now we're going to move on to another of the fourthly key players that I mentioned a paragraph or two ago.

Robert Frye was vice president for Wacken Huts Operations in Indio, California. I don't have much on fry because I decided not to research him time, you know, fucking crazy, but he was a big deal in wacken Hut. He was in charge of wacken Hut's international subsidiary via Cabison Arms to securely send weapons across international lines. He was also involved in negotiations to buy the

valley Field Chemical Productions Corporations Corporations of Quebec. His time working in Indio, the same headquarters as Cabston Bands, by the way, began shortly before the venture was formalized in April first, nineteen eighty one, until he suffered a heart attack and the venture was terminated on October one, nineteen eighty four. That is the lifespan of this endeavor from eighty one to eighty four. Robert Fry also has no wiki page. Now Peter Zakowski moving on, Sorry should

said moving on now. Peter Zakowski was the president of this Cabizon operation through Wackenhut. The following comes from a twenty ten article through Associated Press writers that talk about the Fred Alvarez murder back in eighty one. Quote. Authorities probing Alvarez's death recently took a large cardboard box of Wackenhut related documents and tape recordings from Peter Zakowski, the former president of a nearby munitions manufacturing plant. With

all the documents and memos I have seen go back and forth. It looks like they wanted to do these things. It just never happened. Zokowski, who had government security clearance and whose wife was Indio's mayor, said wacken Hut had asked him to write a proposal to build an arsenal and manufacture tank ammunition on tribal land, but the classified project went nowhere. It was submitted.

I didn't hear anything more about it, and wacken Hut withdrew Withdrew settled Slokowski, who's now eighty three, back in twenty ten, So you know, do the math. I think they were dissatisfied with the structure of the Indian organization. The Florida based company did sign a joint venture with the tribe to win government security contracts, but the partnership fizzled when it failed to get bids,

said former wacken Hut spokesman Patrick Cannon. He said, to his knowledge, the deal did not involve weapons, yet, two men said in separate legal filings the Cabson wacken Hut partnership was forged to sell weapons to the contrasts. The idea was to develop night vision goggles, machine guns, and biological and chemical weapons to support foreign entities, which included the contrasts. According to an affidavit filed in an unrelated case by a man named Michael Riconoshuto, who

said he worked on this on this very deal. He is now in federal prison on drug charges. People claiming CIA ties wanted the venture to develop machine guns at a top secret tribal facility for distribution to Nicaragua. Set a second man, weapons manufacturer Robert Booth Nichols, who is in no relation to John Philip Nichols. In civil court filings, he said he pulled out because wacken Hut didn't provide State Department approval. Unquote, there's a lot there. There

is is anthony you want to pack there from it? That was from the article. I'm sorry they were quoting within the quotes. I don't know if I should say quote again that dialogue, So drop some names here. Yeah, Ricking a SHOOTO. I think you put in your sandwich ye uh yeah, I don't. I don't know what to unpack yet. Right, you're right, you're right, And some of this stuff is purposefully being funny.

Like I will discuss more of it, of course, but like, yeah, I had to put it in there, and this is where they mentioned more of a Zolkowski in it. And you know the files he was asked for and what people said that he lied about. I mean what Patrick Cannon, the spokesman for Wackenhut, said about. You know, all these dealings

failed, the bits failed, no weapons were involved. But if that was a purpose to begin with, why would you But other people are saying bullshit right to other great exactly, yeah, wow, all right, let's go on to this guy, Michael looking a Shooto, the fourth Yeah, the fourth player in the wacken Hut Cabin San partnership is a different breed altogether. He worked for the CIA when recruited to work for wacken Hut after the venture was born, we could Judo was brought in to figure out the science and

technical knowledge required to actually build the weapons. This is the kind of brilliance that government agencies recruit out of school, which he was, We're going to shoot work at Cabiston Arms from eighty three to eighty four as head of research. He excelled at manufacturing fuel to air explosives on the reservation, which were then sent abroad, as well as modifying a borrowed version of a special software for international use. His role in the Cabison Wackenhut partnership is heavy, but

his role in the Octopus organization is more extensive. You see, he is my lynch Pen. He ties Cabiston Indians with Danny Casilero's research. He is the glue that ties both cases from the last show together because of what he told and showed Castellaro possibly led to his death in that hotel bathtub. Wiquinoshoota's profile and exploits will be told in parts as he fits within the episode later

on. And now this might be the best time to mention that Danny Cassilero, the freelance journalists found dead in West Virginia in nineteen ninety one, had mentioned to colleagues that his next destination was to be Indio, California. Casilero's research through Michael Wikinoshutto, of course, led him to find out what happened at cavist On Indio Reservation and was beginning to plan on going there before he died. Like the beginnings of the plan right, this unfortunately cannot be proven

as it was word of mouth. Another interesting tidbit I found is that Castilera was noodling to title his book Indio based on everything that went on in there. Presumably there's really a whole lot more, but I kind of have to move on. I went with backen Hut as my first segment because it nicely sets the rest of the show and it encourages further research for those wanting to know more. If you are inclined to know more and what Wackenhoot is up

to these days, search for G four s Secure Solutions. That is their current name as of two thousand and two, as part of a merger. I think, let's look that up. Yeah, so that's the first time. Okay, so do we think what do you think it was? Do we think Rick and the shoot Rick and a SHOOTO was the man Cassalo was meeting up with. Yes, really, yes, Sorry I thought I didn't say that that way, but yeah, it's I believe I mentioned that.

I might even mentioned it in the last show that that was him, or maybe I just had two sources, but either way, yeah, he's one of the two sources. So was this the one that the waitress said, Oh yeah, we saw No, that's something else. I know what, I know what you're talking about No, no, no, the darn yeah no no no no no no, no no no, that's something else. Sorry, don't get definitely don't confuse that one, I guess. Uh, I'll just tell you this part now because I'm not I don't mention it ever

in this one. It's in for three, gotcha. Well we can hold it till part three. Yeah, but no, that has nothing to do with it. I mean, that has everything to do with this, but in a smaller thing. It's not the same guy because uh, I mean, yeah, but Michael and Michael, we're going to shoot her and one other person or the two sources and Danny Casterero, you know, got the

fountain. The grand majority of his information that led him to like talk to other people, phone call a lot of people, possibly led him to be noticed by someone shady, got him killed. Ideally if he believed that he didn't commit suicide. Of course, this is all speculated in the last show, of course, but it's good to remind him. Yeah, and that's where like, you know, led to his death in the sense that he got too much and he had he was just one man, you know,

so if you want him killed, you get him killed. Wow. Right, then the papers that were stolen or that were not in still missing the hotel room. Do you think those papers were provided by Rick in the shootout? Definitely? Wow? Or at least like just like where to find them? Okay, Yeah, I have real stuff on that too, all right, resmile to the next segment here, called the Inslaw fair in slaw kind of like coldslaw, but in in slaa law. Okay, Now, this

whole thing is a doozy. The reasons I want to tell you about inslaw are many. It's super fascinating and it was labeled the scandal that Wouldn't die. Inslaw brings in the government in a much bigger way than anything I've said today or on the last show combined. Nearly everything out this segment is corroborated with documents like Affid Davits, internal reporting and courtroom files that turn into articles and books down to me. Another reason is that introduces Danny Cassilero's other big

time source of information. If you were to look at this from a judicial standpoint, the foreground is the case of Anslaw versus the US Department of Justice, and the background is what those documents never say. But show that intent like motive, for example, and financially gainful plotting are rarely, if ever, in stuffy documents. But that's our foreground. It's what makes it interesting for people like us who are wanted to know the whole truth, not just

a part of it. Like most things in life. If you want to know what makes inslaw interesting, we got to get into the background first. Inslaw is an acronym that stands for Institute for Law and Social Research. Inslaw was an information technology company that was based in Washington, d c. Its founder is a man named William A. Hamilton, who began inslaw as a nonprofit organization in nineteen seventy three. Their contracts and grants primarily came from the

Law Enforcement Assistance Administration or the LAA. This is the government, so acronyms here, folks. Sorry, they love they love them, They really fucking do. Inslaw's purpose was to develop case management software for law enforcement office automation. Specifically, inslaw developed a program called PROMISE, which stands for Prosecutors Management Information System, and it was meant for use in law enforcement record keeping and

case monitoring activities. This was the seventies, folks, So all of the convenience we can appreciate today took a painstakingly long time back then, especially when paperwork is involved. The option to drag and drop was nonexistent. So this software at this time sounds boring to us, but saves a lot of time for them. Let's not forget time equals money, so save his time saves money. In nineteen eighty, inslat continued operating, but as a for profit

and began marketing the software to current and new users. This was because Congress abolished the LAAA in nineteen eighty, which led Bill Hamilton to transfer Inslaugh's assets over to the new corporation. So that's how he became the way he did.

But I'm not a computer guy, all right. I never saw Halton catch Fire, and I know the movie Hackers as fake as fuck, So I will not go into detail of the software the transferring process from mainframe to sixteen bit mini computer versions, for example, Like I don't know if I could get it to it, because it'll be boring and I won't understand the

information. One thing that I will say is that in order for promise to work in different systems or with alterations, that's seen benign in twenty twenty one. Like languages or menus, one would have to develop it each separate time, customized for the one buying it. System updates and operating systems are kind

of like that a little bit. Now, before I drop the scandal hammer, I want to talk about a contract and some of the rights that Promise used to have now written Kobyl cobyl is they call it a programming language. Programming language. Thank you, Yeah you know it? Okay, yeah,

old bastard, it's really old. Yeah yeah, right, so I could tell it's all because I've never heard of it before this research written Coobyl, the software's primary users of the first few versions of Promise for state and local law enforcements, as well as the US Orney's Office of the District of Columbia. All of this came on the contract when the LAA was still around and

Inslaw was a nonprofit. In litigation, both the DOJ and Inslaw agreed that those versions of Promise are in the public domain and neither entities had exclusive rights to it anytime after nineteen eighty is where the problem begins. The pilot program, I'm sorry. The pilot project for Promise began in nineteen seventy nine, but the Department of Justice were loving the results and so decided for full implementation

of the software in eighty one. This was to be Promise in twenty of the largest US attorney's offices and seventy four and smaller ones with the work processor and mini computer versions. In March of eighty two, Inslaw was awarded a three year, ten million dollar con contract by the Contact Division the Executive Office of United States Attorneys or EOUSA sort of got sorry. Things began to fall

apart right away. EOUSA and DOJ were not happy. They determined that Inslaw was violating terms of an advanced payment clause in the contract, which Inslaw needed to literally finance the project. This part alone became months of negotiations. In the first year of the contract, the DOJ did not have the hardware to support Promise. Inslaw provided a stopgap meture which I won't go into until the proper equipment was installed, but the EOUSA claimed they were being overcharged for the

service and withheld payments. In the second year of the contract, the DJ claimed that there was difficulty getting Promise to work, and in nineteen eighty four they canceled a portion of the contract. This ultimately led Inslaw's financial problems to worsen, and the company filed for Chapter eleven bankruptcy in February nineteen eighty five. Then there are proprietary rights disputes in addition to all this. It's long, but I'm going to try to summarize it as best as I can.

And yes, it is all very important, and it connects to some dark shed. Okay, we know that everything created under the laaa's public domain. What the EO USA wanted was to have unlimited rights to all versions of Promise under contract, including the versions of Promise written for the stopgap measure measure I

mentioned earlier, like nineteen eighty two. Inslaw was trying to find ways to make money with Promise and had made something called Enhanced Promise or Promise eighty two, like an update filled with you know, with all the updates and all the stuff that we're trying to maximize. The DOJ was disputing that the contract data Claus said or possibly alluded to, quote gave the government unlimited rights in

any technical data and computer software delivered under contract unquote. This thing was supposedly resolved after the DOJ was assured and convinced by Enslaw that Promise Ady two contained enhancements undertaken at private expense after the cessation of the l EAA. This.

So I'm stop right there for a second and explain a little bit because I'm realizing that it might be complicated because I read all this, and OK, so the reason and a company like Gainst Law in this case, from turning nonprofit to for profit and gaining this contract and then having problems with this contract of ten million, ten million dollars with with heel payments, you know, has to try to think of the future and try to sell this thing to

perspective people. So they updated it, make differences, make menus, prioritize certain things in it, to make the stuffware run better on different systems. Everything they did after nineteen eighty and aside from the contracts they were trying to do in order to sell it to other things like companies or people individuals. Right, and the DJ were claiming that that was all theirs think of it that way, that this was all under them, and that other than the

public domain stuff, that they should get everything unlimited rights said it. They said it twice. I said it twice. For them. So like that is the dispute going on right now, and hopefully the rest comes as clear as I try to say it. Anyway. This issue came up again in nineteen eighty two when the DJ involved its contract rights to request all the Promise

program and documentation. The DOJ said in litigation that the reason for this was that instat did not look financially reliable to continue, which is funny to me since there was them that kept having problems with the software and continually withheld payments which they needed to fucking do it. Inslaw responded in eighty three that it was willing to give them the computer tapes and documents of Promise, but before doing so told the DOJ that they would have to reach an agreement on the

inclusion or exclusion of the features the changes basically quote. The DOJ response to Inslaw was to emphasize that the implementation contract called for a version of Promise in which the government had unlimited rights, and to ask for information about the enhancements Inslaw claimed as proprietary. Inslaw agreed to provide this information, but noted that

it would be difficult to remove the enhancements from the time sharing versions. Of Promise and offered to provide the VAX version of Promise if the DOJ would agree to limit their distribution. In March of nineteen eighty three, the DJ again informed Inslaw that the implementation contract required Inslaw to provide I'm sorry to produce software in which the government had unlimited rights, and that delivery of software with restrictions

would not satisfy the contract. That the sputed continued a little more. But that's the contract and rights issue in involving Promise. What do you think is happening so far? Okay, what it sounds like is the DLJ, the Department of Justice, is trying to get a hold of a potentially super software and have access to all implementations of this software. And I'm guessing I don't

know what Promise does, but I'm guessing it's a database of names. Whether it's I mean, we're talking about the DLJ, so whether it's a list of criminals, a list of society prisoners, you're on the right track.

And more boring than that, it's just a software that helps people track any kind of like law enforcement type of activities which you would which you would be right associates of a criminal, to names and dates of all the police workers that work in the building, to like even inventory things like how many cots are in this jail or how many guns they have in bullets and shoelaces, things like that boring sounding stuff, but all itemized in one software and one

program potentially incredibly important information to the right entity. You may not care about this county, but you might care about this other one. Right, So with the DJ one in possession, I equate possession to access. Uh, they could access database anywhere the software is implemented. Yeah, it's kind of what I'm getting out of this. Yeah, I mean, yeah, I mean you're definitely making leaps to that that I'm going to get there. Yes,

but yeah, I mean it's obvious work conspiracy show. Obviously it's easy to go there. Yeah, so this place, I'm right, I'm trying to show the first few steps of how they're trying to take it away from install okay one way or another. You know they're they're doing it. They're saying things like like example, like the contradiction of like they're not happy with

this they're going at with health and payments. Well, the guys can't install these things and these services or they can't help you without getting paid right right, and then saying that they're not financially stable, so we should get all the rights, like we're not financially stable because you won't pay us for the thing that you hired us for, and the contract states this is that otherwise you should get it all back. But they're like no, no, no,

we need all this unlimited rights. Whereas the tapes see what I'm saying, like, yep, it's bully, it's fully behavior. Yeah, and the bully and the LUs money and he's still going to beat you up, you know, run the company to the ground and litigation. Okay, I'm following, Yeah, good. Continuing on here, this is where I'm going to introduce a new name. DOJ contracting officer Peter Videnix, who sent a letter proposing a modification in the contract for Inslaw trying to shorten it. Here.

It basically said, in return for Inslaw sending the software and data requests, the DOJ would agree to not disclose or dilute the material beyond the ninety four offices where promise had been already implemented. This was called Modification twelve, and Inslaw agreed and sent the necessary materials. All does not go well again when Inslaw has problems demonstrating the extent of the enhancements and use of private funding

in their development. Inslaw proposed many methods to do this, but were rejected by the DOJ. So guess what happened. After filing for Chapter eleven, Inslaw was still in dispute with the DOJ over contract payments and therefore were listed as a creditor. Simultaneously, the DOJ continued its office automation program and added

promise to twenty three more offices. Quote. When Inslaw learned of the installations, it notified EOUSA that this was in violation of Modification twelve and filed the claim for two point nine million dollars, which Inslaw said was the license fees for the software the DOJ self installed. Inslaw also filed claims for services performed during the contract for a total of four point one million dollars. The DOJ

contracting officer, Peter Videnix, denied all of these claims. Unquote, Yes, this further proved what you were saying and the naked shamelessness really of it all. And they did it this way. I mean, there's more to it, of course I'm going to say, but like, I'm already frustrated for them. This must have been a horrible time for them, especially for Hamilton. But yeah, this is kind of shit that seems like boring but also like must happen all the time somewhere out there, feels like anyway,

now, in Slaw did fight back. They did appeal the denied claims to the Department of Transportation Board of Contact Appeals or DOTBCA as for the rights claim. In June of eighty six, nineteen eighty six, Inslaw filed an adversary hearing in bankruptcy Court, saying that the DOJ's actions violated provisions of the Bankruptcy Code by meddling with the Inslaw's rights, meaning that the DOJ were trying to bankrupt Inslaw to take promise without adhering to contracts or paying them yep. INSLAC

claims that the DOJ official officials like Peter Winnicks were biased against them. William Hamilton, founder of Inslaw, claimed that some of that bias was directed at him personally. I should mention that once the company became for profit, the owners became William Hamilton and his wife as well, Nancy Hamilton. So they were goners. It's nice couple. Now they had mild winds or positives with an independent handling and adversary proceedings when the judge clearly stated that the people from

the DOJ were being unfair and biased and unreliable. But this didn't help much when things got overturned after a judge. A series of judge reappointments muddled the case in May of nineteen ninety one, and they dismissed Inslaw's complaints. Inslaw appealed the decision to the Supreme Court, which of course declined to hear the case. I could keep going on, as I said, this is the scandal that wouldn't die. But what does that have to do with the octopus

conspiracy? Welleme. Some of you may have figured it out, but Promise was being used by more than the DOJ and their offices. It was illegal or shady enough to bankrupt this company for selfish purposes, but to then involve the FBI, the CIA mainly, and other agents in distributing Promise at will is worse. There were several federal investigations based on what Install claimed the DOJ was doing. This was done at first through the House Judiciary Committee as well

as Senate's Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations or PSI. This is what the congressional investigation looked like through PSI. Through the Senate, Bill Hamilton brought new allegations, and they seem far fetched though plausible. He said that the deal's dispute with Instaugh was part of a conspiracy to drive them into bankruptcy so that a man named Earl W. Brian could get the assets, including promise. Earlbrien,

in my opinion, is a player in the octopus scheme. Brian was a founder of a venture capital firm called Biotech, which turned into Info Technology Biotech Capital Corporation in the eighties controlled a company called Hadron, Inc. In nineteen eighty three, while Ronald Reagan was in office, Earlbrien made an offer to Bill Hamilton to acquire Inslaugh and his assets. Hamilton, of course declined, and he says that Brian threatened him, saying there are other ways of making

yoursell. Wow. You see, Brian had many government contracts and a deposition in conjunction with this Senate investigation. Brian I in testified that Hadron had roughly forty computer system contracts with US intelligence agencies and the DOJ as well. Furthermore, he was good friends with at the time Attorney General Edwin mess who actually worked for Brian in the cabinet of former California Governor Ronald Reagan and later in

Reagan's White House. I mean talk about conspiracy. Earl. Brian began by serving in the Army Medical Corps in Vietnam before serving for Reagan in California,

then had an unsuccessful run for the Senate in seventy four. Now, the eighties is where his business career takes In biotech, capital invested in companies developing medical technology, and when biotech turned into info technology, the focus became news and information services, acquiring, for example, United Press International in nineteen eighty

eight, one of the two major American news wires of its day. Funny enough, Brian filed for bankruptcy in nineteen ninety one, and in nineteen ninety five was charged with conspiracy and fraud for inflating the value of his assets in an attempt to secure loans to show up the companies. In nineteen ninety six, he was sentenced to four years in prison and has since died last November

actually twenty twenty. His name will turn up here and there, but it is telling how behaviors from some of these companies and people are first seen suspicially when it matters, then get caught for something just like it years later after they've been exonerated from the Arctopus conspiracy. Funny how that works. The way Brian's story ends, meaning going to jail for being a dick is similar to John Philip Nichols for trying to hire a hitman and was put in jail for

it. Of course, this was after the damage was done and justice was not found. Now let's get back to Insai here. So those were the new allegations, and unfortunately the Senate investigation produced no evidence to support further inquiry through the House Judiciary Committee. Another investigation began, this time with completely different allegations. Install had amassed statements and affid davits from witnesses that supported Hamilton's claims

of biases and conspiracy. The two key witnesses were Ari Ben Manashi I might be mispronouncing that, by the way, it's just regularly the name saying Ari Ben Manashi and Michael Kinoshudo and Both of their accounts supported each other's claims. Rikunoshudo swore that Earlbrien had given him a copy of Promised eight, which says that Brian was after insusts products. Yudo added modifications to the software, but not menus or not menus or like things like that he was changing Promise for

use by intelligence agencies and law enforcement worldwide. This is the program that Reconna Shooter had been working on while on Cabin's Sun Indian land back in eighty three. The timeline fits very well too, seeing how Brian wanted to sell this software worldwide, along with the DOJ fuckery that they were doing to inslaw Ari. Ben Manashi said that the public and enhanced version of Promise were taken and

sold to Israel. Quote Committee investigators interviewed ben Manashi in May nineteen ninety one, and he told them that Brian sold Enhanced Promise to both Israeli intelligence and Singapore's armed forces, receiving several million dollars in payment. He also testified that Brian sold public domain versions to Iraq and Jordan. As you may expect, the House Judiciary Committee found no evidence to support these claims, but they did

say this of the DOJ quote. This clearly raises the specter that the department actions against Install in this matter represent an abuse of power of shameful proportions unquote. They also used words like trickery, fraud, and de seed to describe the actions against Install. A Boa report also yielded no positive results. Despite Inslaw's attempts to refute this, The Boa report is interesting and if this conspiracy wasn't so lengthy already, I might have tackled it. But I do recommend

it as further reading material. How do you say that again? Report booah b u A. It's based on the guy who did it, but it's like a big deal. For some reason, they kept calling it the BUA reports. Okay, okay, it's name of the same. I didn't reach too much into it, but anything, uh you want I mentioned there to say it? No, I think I'm okay, yeah, is it too much? It's a lot. I'm following, though, I'm following. Yeah, but you're starting to see it, right. We're gonna shoot out this

in the end and Slaw Yeah, it's Finn reaching for sure. Yes, sure. Notice how May of nineteen ninety one is when Ben Manashi gives his testimony a few months before Danny Castilero's death. You see through Riconoshudo Ari Ben Manashi had met with Castilero for his Octopus book, and they had allegedly met a day or two before he died in Martinsburg, West Virginia. I believe it was mentioned in the Unsolved Mysteries clip from the Last show. Same thing

goes for Ricon No Shudo. He testified sometime in late nineteen ninety to early ninety one and was Castilero's source for the many forks and branches of the Octopus conspiracy. They were in constant content going back to install here. There's a couple of things I want to mention that thickens the plot. See that I tease you and I go back to the topic. So I'm under it now.

This following section comes from Cherry Seymour's book quote in May nineteen eighty eight, just a few months after the Federal Bankruptcy Court in Washington, d C. Issued fully litigated findings that the Justice Department had stolen the promised legal case management software from Inslaw in the early eighties through trickery, fraud and deceit, and then attempted to drive Inslaw out of business so the company would be unable

to litigate. Ronald Legrant, the chief investigator for the State Senate Judiciary Committee, telephone Hamilton to pass on information from someone he described as a trusted senior Justice Department career official who had been in the criminal division of the Justice Department

since the time of the Watergate scandal under Nixon. Hamilton had recently explained to Lagrant his belief that the Reagan administration had stolen promise with the intention of using the stolen software as the basis for the award of a massive Justice Department computerization contract to a friend of the Reagan administration. The Grant told Hamilton that his source had asked him to tell mister and missus Hamilton the following quote. Within

the quote, what you think happened did happen? You are not crazy, but you do not know squat about how dirty the INSLAC case really is. If you ever learn even half of it, you will be sickened. Inslaw is a lot dirtier for the Department of Justice and its breadth and depth than Watergate. The Justice Department has been compromised at every level on the INSLAC case unquote both ends. Okay, but someone's just saying this right, So at face value, do we take it? I don't know. Probably what do

you think? So I apologized the longest fucking sentence. Yeah, look what the DJ did to inslaw. I mean corruption at every level probably mm hmm. Yeah, I'm about to get into this trusted senior official that I just hyped up through the quote. But uh yeah, to say things like that that bigger than Watergate. I mean, I mean the Watergate. I know, for people like us, Jay, I mean our age, we know what water Gate is, although I think a lot of people my age maybe

don't know. I don't know, but it's a huge thing, for sure, a huge American thing. It's like a brought down Nixon. Yeah, I mean right, let him crying and running away in a helicopter. I love watching that clip, by the way, when he goes into the hell. Okay, continuing on here, that trusted senior Justice Department official was none other than Elliott Richardson. You know who desires I don't recognize his name. Okay, here's some modern history for you. He's the kind of politician,

it feels any way to me that we need more of. He was a lawyer and public servant who's most famous for two things. His involvement in the Enslaw case defending Bill Hamilton, as well as was featured in the dad In Cassilliro episode of the Unsolved Mysteries clip that I used. And he was also attorney US Attorney General. Now, he was a prominent figure in the Watergate scandal and resigned rather than obeying Nixon's order to fire the special prosecutor that was

on the case. That's the second thing. It's famous Artie Rise, That's the first thing. Was Wow, Okay, So he's like a good guy, I would say. Along with Attorney General, he also held three additional promi and in positions Secretary of Health, Commerce, and Defense, one of

two people in US history to have held four cabinet positions. Richardson did a lot to help Hamilton, like writing letters and propositions to get traction on further investigations, and the fact that his support carried a lot of weight and washed. Now. One strange roadblock he encountered was when then Attorney General Richard Thornberg was stonewalling Richardson's letters imploring the need for further investigation on the actions that were

taken against Inslaw. This was shortly before ninety one before testimonies by Rittannieshudo and Ben Mnashi were taken, and Richardson had told Thornberg that it was his duty

to investigate these claims because they had merit. So he filed a lawsuit against Thornburg in Federal district Court for failing and refusing to carry out his clear duty in the Inslack case, but that the ruling stated that the discretion of this decision is up to the prosecution as to whether or not it wants to investigate,

and that there was no legal authority to intrude. Once those affidavits claiming that promise since the early eighties were used for various intelligence tracking applications, Richardson

sought outside council. This is the first time I'm mentioning this part. Richardson asked a retired four star general Admiral Daniel Murphy to review the plausibility of the claims that covert dispersal or promise were used for intelligence applications and if he could help explain Attorney General Thurnberg's otherwise inexplicable failure to enforce the federal criminal laws.

This Admiral Murphy had served as Richardson's military advisor when he was Secretary of Defense under Nixon, and later had held two of the top posts in the US intelligence which are Deputy Director of the CIA under President Ford and Under Secretary of Defense for Intelligence under Carter. President Carter. Sorry, a reliable expert, Basically, I mean, this is a reliable guy, right, I would say so. I'm going to read the last part of a chapter in Seymour's

book that makes him make this better and simultaneously worse. We'll see what I

mean. Quote. After reading the affidavits and the AANSTAS lawsuit against Thornberg, Murphy told Richardson and Hamilton that he was sorry to say that there was nothing implausible about any of the claims, including the claim by Michael mcginashutto that he had modified promise for US intelligence on an Indian reservation in southern California, that the available evidence made it look like an NSSA operation, that if it were

an NSSA operation, it would explain Thornberg's behavior because Thornberg would not have needed to receive a call from the White house to know that his job was to stonewall until the cows came home. Elliott Richison passed away at the end of nineteen ninety nine. In two thousand and one, Hamilton contacted Admiral Murphy again and gave him an approximately fifty page Inslaught summary of evidence revealing that the Justice

Department began misappropriating promise in nineteen eighty two for three separate intelligence projects. One NSA's deployment of promise to banks to enable NSSA to track wire transfers of money and letters of credit. Two Israeli intelligent sales of a trapped door version of promise to foreign governments so Israel and the United States could covertly intercept their intelligent secrets. And three the CIA's deployment or Promise throughout the US government as the

standard data based software for the gathering and disseminating of US intelligent information. Murphy told Hamilton that the Inslaw summary eliminated any doubt about what had happened, and that the install case needed to be settled. He warned Hamilton, however, that government officials would regard it as their patriotic duty to look Inslaw's lawyer in the eyes and lie, making it essential that Inslas find another outstanding lawyer like

Elliott Richardson to represent the company in seeking compensation. Shortly before introducing mister and missus Hamilton to see Boyden Gray one week after the September eleven, two thousand and one terrorist attacks and asking Gray to become the John Adams of the instaw case. That's how we put it wow and represent inslaw, simply because it was the right thing to do. Murphy said something to Hamilton that Hamilton now suspects. Suspects may have been an allusion to the use of the NSA bank

surveillance version of promise to launder drug profits. Now drugs are involved, this

is still look well, guys, I'm sorry. In September two thousand and one, Murphy, who had served as chief of staff to Vice President Bush during the first term of the Reagan administration when the promise misappropriations began, told Hamilton that this was his hunch that there was still another use of promise that install had not yet discovered, that it involves something so seriously wrong that money alone cannot cure the problem, and that the government might never compensate inslaw unless

the company discovers that additional use of promise. Unfortunately, Admiral Murphy passed away suddenly several days later in September twenty first, two thousand and one, and Hamilton was never able to obtain clarification from Murphy where his hunch had originated from relative to the other use of promise, that install had not yet discovered, and we don't know who it was. No. As a PostScript, Bill Hamilton later mentioned to me that in retrospect he had come to believe that the

other use of promise involved laundering money from drug profits. He said he believed that the main role of the Cabstan Wackenhut joint venture was connected to government sanctioned drug trafficking and money laundering by organized crime groups like the Gambino Family and groups like the Contrast, and that Michael Wignoschuto's job was to help these groups access n essays bank surveillance versions of promise to launder the proceedings from those drug uses.

Unquote, yeah are you kidding me? Yes? Wow? Yeah? How so now we got the mafia pulled in too. I just pulled them, I just got them. I just pulled them out of there the tentacles, So what do you think of the possibility of that? So just a real quick weekcat because I quoted a lot there and I'm sorry, a lot of technical stuff going on here and it might be hard to whatever and I'm

trying my best to read it right. But Elliot Richardson, the hot shot, good guy lawyer that said, fuck you next time, I'm not going to join your Watergate old timer knows a loud shit, try to help and stall And when he discovered that the attorney general basically sum rising, it's forever. When you discovered that the attorney general is at the time Stoneberg was stonewalling him, he asked an admiral if an admiral friend of his who knows his

shit in the intelligence community, he had held the top jobs. He was holding the top jobs when he asked about this, like, hey, can you read my stuff here, see if it's plausible and what's going on with this attorney general like not talking to me? And he's like, yes, it's very plausible that this could be happening, and it could explain that maybe it's an NSSA operation because of the way he's stonewalling you. Because it's just

natural or common to stonewall anyone who's asking questions like that. They don't need to say so from the White House to just say no to you and not investigate. And then from there Ellie Richardson at some point in nineteen ninety nine, like I said, he died because he told a man to just died

from natural causes. And so in two thousand and one, you know, inslav Bill Hamilton sent a fifty page like summary like the way I'm doing the show, sent it over to him to this admiral guy, right, and this admiral like then he figured out, like, hey, there's some other stuff going on here, and this is the last part that I was talking about about the drug angle on the Monday laundering and all these other the last part basically, so I'm just trying to like timeline it a little bit for

everyone. But before he could actually say something really big about it, he died in just a week or so after after nine to eleven. Basically, Wow, yeah, this died suddenly suddenly, right, we air quoting died suddenly, or we know that he just died suddenly. He was already but like pretty still kind of suspect I don't know if those I don't know anything about it, like if you had an autopsy or nothing like that. Sorry

about that one, I guess now. The case continued after that, not to mention the many details I gave hints to or otherwise ignored for the sake of time, but I'll save some of the install's findings in the two thousands for the next show. We're not finished with the eighties and nineties quite yet, not by a long shot. Before I proceed with the next segment, I want to talk a little about Bill Hamilton. This Inslaw section says a

lot about Hamilton that I didn't say aloud. That he's tenations, tenacious and the victim of epic monetary and intelligence abuse by what we're calling the octopus. Keep in mind that the purpose, the purpose of this organization, again unofficially, is to make money, and that it is those illegal ways to make money through companies like Inslaw is what makes them a group working in unison, even if they themselves don't acknowledge it. Remember what I said about at the

top of the show. Conspiracies allow for derivative liability, where conspirators can also be punished for the illegal acts carried out by other members, even if they're not directly involved. Thus, were one or more members of the conspiracy committing the legal acts to further the conspiracy's goals. All members of the conspiracy may be held accountable for those acts. That's the definition. This is what's happening. A darker and further reason for the octopus to exist is that they are

also manipulating current events to suit their political interests. Think of Wackenhat's politically motivated stance and how it influenced their clients, their clientele, how promise was being sold to foreign countries to potentially spy on them. This is, of course, way before Edward Snowden's whistle blowing on the NSA for spying on Americans. Good point, how long have they been doing it? Jesus? How long

have they been trying, succeeding and failing. You know, Hamilton is fighting the ocean here, meaning he probably will not win, but he's one of the main reasons we are here today as well. He was Cherry Seymour's source for her twenty year in the Making book that I've been quoting this whole time. He spoke to Rachel Begley, the daughter of one of the victims in California's triple murders. That made her a believer of the octopus and led it

fail to face to her dad's killer. At least one of them, you know, Jimmy Hughes. Jimmy Hughes, right Hamilton, and Danny Casilera played chess over the phone for Fok's sake. I mentioned that was so not This connection led to prominent government figures like Elliott Richardson to speak up for Castilero when he was found dead in ninety one. Everything is connected here when he was found suicided. Yeah, everything is connected here. So we're saying the octopus

is the NSA. No, but it's one of them maybe, like a long time. I don't know. I would say no. If you're asking me point blank what do I think based on everything I read, I would say no, Okay, I'm still putting the pieces together, trying to figure it out, you know. Okay, it's the hierarchy either, I don't think you know, it's like, okay, we's going a way on party in that one. Sure, sure, Okay, I'm just hope the listeners are doing the same thing. I am. It's just trying to put the

pieces figure out who I hope, yeah, hopefully it's possible. All right, Now the third segment here I'm going to start. It's called Michael Wikonahudo Rick in the Shooto. Now, this might be the best time to bring Casilero's other prime source, Michael Wikanashudo. Through a man named Jeff Steinberg, Bill Hamilton was put in touch with Weakna Shudo on May eighteenth, nineteen ninety. This was when Hamilton was told of the starling dimensions of insaus case.

This covert player told Hamilton how Promise was stolen from him and how he personally modified Promise whilst while being you know, research director of a joint venture of the Cabinston Indian Tribe through Wagen Hut quote we kinda shoot or revealed that part of his job and the modification of the software had been to create a backdoor access for spying into the files of its users. These users included Great Britain, South Korea, Japan, Jordan, Canada, Israel, Egypt, and

Iraq. Holy shit, Bill Hamilton tally the figure at as many as eighty eight countries for use in such activities as the tracking of terrorists. According to Rikanashudo, Attorney General Edwin mess had provided Promise to doctor Earl Bryan and Peter Vidnix from the Department of Justice, who had then supervised the Wagen hut kavasan project to copy the program. That's a wild ass shit, it really since mister stars say eighty eight. It's like the crazy eighty eight right, I

mean that's okay, it really yeah, yeah right. Kona Shooda was very impressed by the functionality of the program. Harry Martin tech journalists tested an Israeli software package which utilized Promised and marveled its ability to deal with a complete military structure, meaning the numbers and the details. Promise wasn't the only bombshell he

dropped on Hamilton, though. Through many phone conversations he talked about the Cabison Wackenhut a venture and production of advanced weaponry like biological weapons and facts which are fuel air explosives We're gonna shoot. Also had wild claims that there were that were more difficult to corroborate, though some kind of did. He claimed he and O'Brien were involved in the October Surprise conspiracy as well as the Nugan Handbank

scandal, which involved some very shady people. That one has shady shit. This is interesting because if a figure like Wick in a shootout is to be believed, then he has a treasure trobe of information that appeals to conspiracy theorists, but also works as a double edged sword for the rest of the world as they find it hard to believe such allegations. What do you think have

you heard of those handbank? Not the not the newgen Hambank, but the September Surprise October Oh god, look only off by one my computer class. You're looking at the fucking web. Callari the October Surprise. Okay, history, don't laugh. Was that was that with Reagan? I'm gonna say yes. Is that when hostages were released? Yes? Pretty good? Wow? You you old? You old? That's I'm right, that's true so far. You're right? I mean, right, doggie? Were they Yeah?

Olympians? Oh No, I don't think so that much. I don't think so. It was this conspiracy behind that was that Reagan had the ability to get the hostages out, but he held it until Wow, pretty good after he became president or during his election something like that. Yeah, to help almost got it. I'm not gonna tell you because it's something for later, but I did want to mention that as one of his one of weaken to shoot those wilder allegations. But like I said, they also hold merit,

and I mentioned the two that kind of do whole merit on purpose. I'm moving a web here, guys. But yeah, Jay's basically right. Shut it up, guys. It's pretty crazy. Also, not that long ago a conspiracy if you if you're worried about that, oh god, okay. By late nineteen ninety, Hamilton had told Danny Kasseler all of about Ricona Shooto Casilera became very intrigued and started looking into him. Here's some of what he

found and what's actually true Abricona Shooter's background. He had demonstrated some technical and scientific talents. The following was originally published in The Village Voice quote Ricono Shooter was a gifted child. When he was just ten years old, Michael wired his parents neighborhoods parents neighborhood with a working private telephone system that undercut Mabel. That's why he wrote to Mabel ten years old. Yeah, the ten years

old that was eating worms out of the dirt. That's why. That's why we're pleabs. That's why. In the eighth grade he won a science fair with a model for a three dimensional sonar system. By the time he was a teenager, he had won so many science first with exhibits of laser technology

that he was invited to be a summer researchers at Stanford University. Doctor Arthur Shallow, a Nobel laureate, remembers him quote within the quote, you don't forget a sixteen year old youngster who shows up his own argon laser unquote unquote both ends. By the way, that's a real unquote. I can't know

how to do this fucking sighting shit. Sorry, getting excited here. Some time after leaving Stanford University, we canna shoot a one to work in an underground newspaper in San Francisco, where he had acquired some photos which showed a narcotics agent having sex with an underage girl. Oh, this was printed in a newspaper and we can Ishudo said that this led him to being framed on drug charges, which led to a two year prison sentence in nineteen seventy three

for manufacturing psychedelic drugs. Cassilero didn't believe this though, this whole frame up thing, and he questioned other claims, but still found his connections to Install to be worth the look. Cassilero never wrote it down, but I and others, other conspiracy theorists, I mean, and journalists I've gone the impression that he thought we're gonna SHOOTO tended to embellish quite a bit. His sentence was true, to be sure, it is to your sentence, I mean,

and it did affect the later endeavors for him. But whether or not

he was a frame up as were Kessellro doesn't really believe so much. Quote One excerpt from the eleven page letter referred to a meeting in May nineteen eighty one at the US Army installation at Dover, New Jersey, between Robert Frye, vice president of Wackenhut in Indio, Michael Ricinashudo, John P. Nichols, which is the Cabiston administrator, Peter Zokowski, former president of Armtech in Indio, which produced conbustible cartridges cases in the Army, and doctor Harry Fair,

the Army's league engineer on the railgun project at Picatinny Arsenal. Like that pic Canon noted that Wegna Shudo and several army personnel conducted an extensive and highly technical theoretical blackboard exercise on the railgun, and afterwards, doctor Fair commented that he was extremely impressed with we Canna Shudo's scientific and technical knowledge in this matter.

Cannon further wrote doctor Fair had apparently been apprized by Nichols that Riconashuda had been convicted and served time for stabbing a DEEA agent whom he propotedly caught in bed with Kunashudo's wife. Doctor Fair had had commented that we Canna Shuda will probably not be able to ever get a government security clearance because of his past, but it would be a shame if we can Ashudo, whom he termed a potent national resource, could not be used for military research projects in his

field of expertise. Now, I couldn't get the arrest report at anything like that. But my understanding, since the majority of this quote comes from doctor Fair, it's likely that he was told that we can issue it was charged

for stabbing a federal officer, not that it was for manufacturing drugs. I do not know why this lie or potential lie was given to doctor fair to then have it be written in this report that I'm quoting only that I assume it's either to make we can issue the more threatening or easier to work than a drug addict. Who can say, what do you think it is conflicting evidence? Well, yeah, for sure, I don't know what to think. No, right, I know, But who can say that's had to

be mentioned and that I don't know? Also, it's good to know what I don't know, right right, Okay, But Casslero thought this was a shady character, didn't you, Oh, like, you know, an embellisher, a lace or something like like stoking too much? Okay, Again, he doesn't say like that ever, ever, not that I've ever read it or his friends say about it. I mean, I'm about to say, right now, let me get to the next quest. Yeah, I to

absolutely explain something. Cassilero's eyes were open when he and Hamilton discussed these connections, but they were open wider in nineteen eighty one by what Reconnaisuda was saying. For example, a contact of his by the name of Alan Standorff said he worked at a secret military electronics listening post in Virginia and managed to supply Castelero with classified information regarding the Instock case. Many stipulate that those papers were

among what when missing from his hotel room when he died. Among the many papers, Bill Hamilton and Danny Casilero convinced we can a shootout to tell his story on the record, which we know we know by now that he did. On March twenty first, nineteen ninety one, he filed a sworn affidavid on the Inslack case, and it provides a toe hold for Castilero's research. I'm going to read a good portion of the affidavid, but not all of it because it's long. Quote I Michael J. Vignaeshudo being duly sworn to

hereby state as follows one. During the early eighties, I served as director of research for a joint venture between the Wackenhout Corporation of Coral Gables, Florida and the Cabizon Band of Mission Indians, California. In Indio, California. The joint venture was located on the Reservation three. The Cabison Band of Indians

are a sovereign nation. The sovereign immunity that is accorded to Cabizons as a consequence of this fact made it feasible to pursue on the reservation the development and or manufacturer of materials whose development or manufacturer would be subject to stringent controls off the reservation. As a minority group, the Cabson Indians also provided the Wakeenhout Corporation with an enhancedability to obtain federal contracts through the eight A Set Aside program

and in connection with government owned contract operated facilities. Four. The waken Hut Cabson Joint Venture was intended to support the needs of a number of foreign governments and forces, including forces and governments in Central America and the Middle East. The contrast in Nicarawa represented one of the most important priorities for the joint venture.

Five. The Wakenhut Cabison Joint Venture maintained close liaison with certain elements of the United States government, including representatives of intelligence, military, and law enforcement agencies. Six. Among the frequent visitors of the Wagenhout Tabazon Joint Venture were Peter Videnis of the US Department of Justice in Washington, d C. And

a close associate of Vidinics by the name of Earl W. Bryan. Brian is a private businessman who lives in Maryland and who has maintained close business ties with the US intelligence community for many years. Nine. Some of the modifications that I made were specifically designed to facilitate the implementation of Promise within two agencies of the Government of Canada, the Royal Canadian Mounted Police and the Canadian Security

and Intelligence Services. Earl W. Bryan would check with me from time to time to make certain that the work could be completed in time to satisfy the schedule for the use Canadian Intelligence Services. Ten. The proprietary versions of Promise as modified by me, was in fact implemented in both the RCNP and the CSIS in Canada. Those are the acronyms. Sorry, guys, that's the

acronym for the agencies I just mentioned that are long. It was my understanding that Earl W. Bryant had sold this version of Promise to the Government of Canada. Eleven. In February nineteen ninety one, I had a telephone conversation

with Peter Windnix, then still employed by the US Department of Justice. Bidden Nicks attempted during this telephone conversation to persuade me not to cooperate with an independent investigation of the government's piracy of INSLAS proprietary promise software being conducted by the Committee on the Judiciary US House of Representatives. Twelve. Vidinnick stated that I will be rewarded for a decision not to cooperate with the House Judiciary Committee investigation.

With the Nicks forecasted an immediate and favorable resolution of a protracted child custody dispute being prosecuted against my wife by her former husband if I were to decide not to cooperate with the House Judiciary Committee investigation thirteen. Winnick also outlines specific punishments that I could expect to receive from the US Department of Justice if I cooperated with the House Judiciary Committee's investigation. Those specific punishments was involving Grignnaeshudo and his

father in a criminal prosecution of business associates in Orange County, California. Another punishment Withinicks threatened is perjury by the DOJ, saying that credible witnesses would would come forward to contradict any damaging claims he would make. Wow, it was easier to parify the last few parts there, and you know, and the ones that I skipped earlier were Basically things are covered already on the show, so let's skip the little thing here. Yeah, within eight days of this

testimony, guess what happened? His guests, he's gonna give you a little bit of give you a little bit. Really happened within eight days of this testimony, this Affidavid, I don't I don't know. Michael vickinna shooter was arrested for conspiracy to manufacture, conspiracy to distribute, possession within tent to distribute, and with distribution a total of ten counts related to method vetamin and methadone.

What mm hmm bogus? I think bogus or at least partly his claims of being framed went on deaf years, obviously, and spent the grand majority of his time as a source for people like Cassillaro, Hamilton and Seymour behind bars. It should go without saying that this charge damaged his credibility with the enslack case. Mm hm. This is from Seymour quote. For three months, we can shoot a call daily from the Pierce County Jail in Tacoma,

Washington. At his request, I attach a tape recorder to my phone and unraveled a complicated web of illegal overseas arm shipments, espionage, CIA, drug trafficking, biological warfare, development, computer software, theft, money laundering, and corruption at the highest levels of government. Mm hmm wow. Yeah, like, what do you even say? I don't know what to say, you know, now? Yeah, I mean the great thing about it is that, Okay, as I mentioned this, bar, I didn't write this.

It's not a script. None of this isn't the script what I'm about to say. So every time I mentioned there's a bunch of times in this show, and in the last show I quoted or have myself have paraphrased versions, paraphrase versions of the information that leads into a list of shit of illegal things. Yeah, this is like my eighth time probably where I mentioned here, I just recorded real quick at his request, I attach a tape recorder

to my phone. Right, unraveling a complicated web of illegal overseas here comes a list army shipments, espionage, CIA, dog trafficking, biological work Where all this stuff that I'm saying, there's like I've said so many different ones and yet some of them are the same. And by now I'm hoping that you're trying to see like, oh, I know that one. I don't know that one. I know that one. I don't know that one. I know that And that's the point. Wow, I'm trying to like get

you. Like it's the first time I said this in the very first opening of the first show, last show, you have no idea what how is all this involved? And by now you know half of it? That's right, And that's kind of the point. That's why I keep calling these people and the way that I'm doing it. Hopefully that's coming across. I'm just pulling it now because it might be too subtle anyway, because by now, you know, say, drug trafficking, Okay, we did mention that earlier.

That could be something biological warfare, well, yeah, the fucking Cabizon thing, computer software, fucking promise right there, money laundering. We don't know everything yet, but it was mentioned, right, so you know things like that. So it's just amazing, right, I mean, at the beginning of the show, you had no idea what half of that ment Now

you know half of it. So anyway, so that is Michael. We can shoot a section, but his influence on this case is far from over because of those crazy allegations he made There's going to be more from him. In Part three, between wacken Hut and the Astack case, we covered a great portion of what Danny Kessler was searching and researching, and if you believe

if he was murdered, is what eventually led to his death. Unfortunately, at best we're only halfway covering everything will actually result in a book or two, and that's not me. There are prominent names to spill in further details on the ones that brought up, for sure, but I can't write no book. So now I've teased how drugs comes into this earlier, But what's the bigger picture here? Whatever you think, hopefully is what I get to

do. Two sections were left out of the original outlet. This is to have a meteor part like a media Part three, but also because I need further understanding to write a better segment. Expect to find some connections to the Reagan administration, like how Reagan won the election, to the Iron Contra scandal. Expect a look into the BCCI scandal, which involved millions of dollars in many countries. I will also talk about the lesser reported and strange deaths of

people either involved in the octopus or trying to expose it. This goes hand in hand will do with We canna shoot those allegations as well. Lastly, I will be exploring the origins of this organization, what people called it before Danny Cassillro named it, and how much deeper it all goes. Join us again next time for the octopus tendrils.