Episode 144: The Octopus Murders

Welcome to the one hundred and forty fourth episode of the Supernatural Occurrence Studies podcast So Somewhat Paranormal. My name is Jason Knight, host of the show, and with me as always is Oh It's Oscars back the producer extraordinaire and podcast co host Oscar. Before we begin tonight's topic, I do want to mention

our hearts and our thoughts and prayers are with Louisiana this evening. Hurricane Ida is just battering Louisiana places like Grand Isle, New Orleans, Metaie, Mandeville, Saint John's Parish, countless other parishes, some of which I can't even pronounce. But you know, New Orleans is near and dear to my heart, and this bitch Ida is just ravishing Louisiana. It's you, It's your second home, right, It really is, It really is. I'm a New Orleanian, I guess at heart. And what's crazy now, it's it's

really faux pas to compare hurricanes against one another or to one another. But sixteen years ago today is when Hurricane Katrina made landfall. Yes, yeah, as a category three and Ida hit as a category four. There's emergency workers been in the business forty years saying they have never seen something like this and they live through Katrina, right right. So it's just I've been riveted watching it all day, all day long, on every screen in the house.

So I just, you know, just want to say that I'm there with you in spirit. The Supernatural Current Studies podcast is there with you in spirit, and we know you'll bounce back, strong town, strong people. So I just wanted to mention that, Yeah, for sure. The other thing is, if you want to skip our wonderful intro, please go to the show notes. There will be a time stamp there waiting for you to get you to the topic. Yeah, all right, Oscar, what has been

going on? Thank you for handling episode one hundred and forty three. I loved your intro. Thank you you. You know, Uh, solo casting is it's a different bead breed of difficulty. So I was flexing muscles that I'm not used to. That was like the fifth take at least, and I had to cutting and spice the the better parts of other takes to make it all fit. I mean, it sounds seamless. It just sound good.

But I'm saying like it wasn't one take that wasn't. In one sitting, I couldn't even tell because I was like, I'm like, am I saying that? And I realized I'm rambling sometimes, like yeah, you know, because Jay's not here, I'm not saying he doesn't want Like I'm explaining, like why am I saying it like that? Because I'm talking to myself. That's a weirdo. I've never done it, so it's got to be.

So yeah, it's it was weird, and in general, I'm a weirdo, especially when I'm by myself, so it didn't help matters, like I talked to myself all the time. So yeah, so that was a little rough. Well it came out good. I'm glad you all liked it. I assume if you listen to this, then you should via the last episode. That's right. They came back for more. So you did something right right, right, But yeah, I was I was out traveling.

I took the family on a vacation. We were in Florida in New Smyrna Beach for the week, and I just couldn't research and get a topic together. So I appreciate you doing that. I hope our listeners like the Patreon sneak Peak Hotel Cecil. If you want to hear more things you will not hear on this public feed, including video casts, join our Patreon Patreon dot com, Forward Slash Supernatural Current Studies podcast, or just go to this episode

show notes click on the Patreon link. It'll get your right to us. We have a library of audio and video content. They're just waiting for you. So support your favorite show. Yeah, totally. What else have you been up to? Nothing after? You know, coming home from vacation. Vacation was fantastic, like I said, but the problem is you got to come back to reality. And you know, now that I have this new position at work, I came back to just mess of playing catchup. So

I'm not gonna say I regretted the vacation. I most certainly did not regret the vacation, but I got to figure out a plan because we're going again in December. It was really hard to come back to work because I was just completely overwhelmed. Did you get did you give yourself that extra buffer a day? I did? I did? Wonder did they work? Wonders?

But like you know, yeah, I was, you know, able to unpack, clean up, do what we need to do answer some emails for work, kind of make sure the cat's okay, make sure the cat's alive. Right, Uh so I did take a vacation with the vacation very very important. Take a vacation from your vacation for days, bro, they're important. M Yeah, as the guy who barely goes on vacation. By the way, we got to get you on more vacations, more podcast vacations.

Maybe, yeah, those are work. They're not a vacations. Okay, wrong, they're fun. This show is fun, but it's work. Okay, that's not a vacation. I want to do nothing on a beach, not like read something for a research paper or something on a read speaking to research paper. Oh, I gotta say this here. You're telling me offline after this topic that we're gonna get into tonight your topic. Yes, that is all I mean. You might have one hundred plus page script Oscar spector.

Yeah. You can see the look of his face. Are you burnt out? Yes? I was burnt that before I wrote even one word of the script. Yeah, this around how it's gonna come out. I need to find a fucking linear. It's anything linear. I need to find a way to write this, but I did find a way. I spent this week up until very late last night finishing it Part one only, by the

way, But don't worry. Part two is looking to be a little bit more difficult, but it's I'm coming on better shape, right because I have a lot more I can use this as a way to springboard from two Part two. I'll explain all that later, but yeah, it's it's been a trial for sure. It's been fun. Wow. Well, I can't wait to get into it. I'm thoroughly intrigued by the topic you chose in the roads it goes down. Yeah, I was trying to tease you earlier off

fire about it, and I'm gonna be tea. This is a gigantic teas. I'm sorry in advance. This is a gigantic teas. There's so much I won't tell you yet on this first episode, but I'm getting ahead of myself. Besides all this, what I've been up to you is that nothing much necessarily I have. I got myself a little blink camera and I'm videotaping my my Shuger gliders in their cage. I got bird's eye view looking down and so it's the latest model as far as I can tell, one of

them. And and so you can talk like a baby honor. You can talk through it, you know, even if you're like miles away. And I did that. I check it periodically. I have its censored to motion sensornio, so when they wake up and move around, it lets me know, and it records for like two I remember the time, like three minutes. And it's been fun watching what they do when I'm not around, you know, when I'm at work or whatever. And I gotta to say.

Zelda, the youngest one, youngest by two months, by the way, she the first day I put the camera on her, and for most days after that, I noticed that she loves that wheel that I put in there. Loves it so much that every time I would check it period of two hours at work, I would just go on and I'm I'm gonna look what they're doing. She was still on the wheel after like six hours. Sometimes like what the hell is she doing? And like, no, wonder,

she's so not interested in doing anything. When I get home, she's like, man, she's fucking tired. She's making that wheel her bitch, and it's it's fun and it's funny. Every time I'm looking at Mutter not be in the wheel, you know, and I'm like, give Lily a chance to play in the wheel girl, But but no, either Lily doesn't want to or she doesn't get a chance to play. That is ridiculously cute. It is very cute. And they obviously lick the camera for you know,

once or twice because they're like new thing and stuff. It's been a c it's been It's just a cute thing that I'm into. I've been into lately. Besides that, you know, not not a whole lot. I had something in my brain a minute ago, but I forgot. Oh yeah, you know, there is something not it's weird. It's weird, and it's almost like a question for our audience. But I know we haven't gotten a lot of feedback from them, but like, maybe it's cool, maybe this

could work. I've been thinking about and what do you think of this. I've been thinking about doing or trying to do our shows in a smaller condensed version and putting in them on TikTok. I know nothing about TikTok. I didn't I missed that train, I guess, but I mean it's still on. But yeah, I know it's insanely popular. Obviously, you're always sending me cool creepy tiktoks and stuff and right, and some of them, you

know, you never know if they're real or not. Obviously, I'm not saying that everything I send you is one hundred percent real, but some of them are. I mean, with with an episode that's one hundred paid script, I don't know how we would do it, you know, but right,

but no, no, maybe not this one. Maybe don't start with this one, you know, go simpler, right, I think I'll be a good way not only to promote and stuff, but like to like have like an alternate version to get people in and on what we do here, because everything, all these mediums are different flavors for different people and how they want their information or entertainment delivered, and that's what we do. Essentially.

We do give information, we do give all the stuff, but like we really entertainment device really, and I think that could be kind of fun. You know, I've been researching it. I would sa I'm not saying you're gonna do it. I'm just saying, what do you think of the idea of it? I mean saying any I'm down. I don't know how to do it, but I'm all for it any way to help market the show. We keep getting these comments on like YouTube or even a Patreon, you

know, people saying how do these guys not have more subs? You know? And the plain simple truth is we are ship at marketing, complete butter ships at it. We're really bad at it, like we're ye, fantastically awful. We just don't we put and we know there's so much brain powers devoted to life, family and the show in general, like the content that really do not expand any effort whatsoever and anything else that's right. I never think about it. I literally never think about it. People will be like,

aren't you on Twitter? I'm like, it's the first time I thought of it in months. Yeah, no, it's It's true, same with me. That's why any word of mouth, you know, listeners help help spread love for the show. We could use it. iTunes reviews really help, but yes, anything to help market us. And in a similar different note, though, I've been doing a lot more. I mean for the

last about three shows worth, so like the last six weeks. Over the last six weeks or so, I've been you know, twitch streaming a lot more on on our Twitch channel, you know, not consistently, it's been it's been a little bit inconsistent, but it's been a few times a week to sometimes, you know, multiple days, grow playing games, weird games. I'm about to play a Cthulhu esque HB Lovecraftian game, maybe even tonight. I don't know how tonight's going to go. But yeah, mostly nights,

sometimes in the afternoon. And there's always been like one or two people that I've totally joining. Now I don't talk to him very often. No one says anything. I don't say anything either, but I just playing when people join, So that's kind of whoever it is, thank you for joining us. That's where we are. Thanks for always being there. They when they get the notification they're on it. That's fantastic and I think that's great. Yeah, where we are. Thank you. So that's been that's been

also fun of fun been doing that. If you want to check us out. What's the Twitch channel? And no way Chicago Chicago's SOS or is it s West chicagohost Oh, dude, you totally put me on the spot. I thought you knew. I thought you could you're so good at this that I thought you might have known. I will place it in the show notes, right, I'm writing it down mortem, so editing, maneuver, editing, magic, editing magic. I just wrote it down. Ad twitch cool

done, Yeah, yeah, it will happen. Cool anyway, what I mean? Terrible at marketing? Terrible? Yeah, we get bad at it anyway, But we have a Twitch channel I put I do games, and I try to do creepy games, and I've been successful overall, but every once in a while do play like a fun, lighter game. I don't. I can't. Not everything is supernatural, but you know, sometimes it is. Anyway. That said, for that, I think you should tell us. Now that I mentioned a Twitch channel, you should tell us how

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me of this thing. Like there's just like I don't know if he's a doctor or a nurse, you know, local person that comes into my store every day orders an advance you know, on the phone, right, and his name is Rusty, and he's like I remember one of my coworkers he's like, oh yeah, I gotta hear from overorder. And then one of my partners or whatever said like, are you rusty? And he's like yeah, I'm like, nah, you've been at it for a while now.

Sometimes just it cracked everyone. I was just like a really well timed joke there, and you just reminded me of it. That's it. It was very good, kind of quasi dad joke. I like it. Oh yeah, no, I'm sure yeah. Sorry, that's it. Do you have anything else? I don't truly take a break. Yes, listeners, welcome back to the show. Well, the lights are turned down low, the ceremonial candle is lit, and the drinks are flowing. Let's start this show

now, Oscar. I know you have a whole intro. I'm gonna pass it off to you in a moment, but I just want I just want the listeners to know if they saw the title of this episode, the octopus murders, this has nothing to do with an eight legged mollusk, does it. You know it does not at legged and now it does not. Well, you know they have brains in one of the modest tentacles. I did not know that they have two brains and ship. Yeah, wow, that's

what. That's what makes them able to like move wriggle, like to let's say, flee something and also catch something with their other tentacles they have like they can multitask because they like two brains or something. It's like weird. They're very weird. But no, that has nothing to do with the underwater sea creatures. Interesting. Yeah, because the first time you told me about this subject, that was my literal first question to you was, does octopus

actually kill people in this one? No, stupid, it's because of all the tentacles where where this story goes, it has all the weaving happening, right. Yeah, And it also surprised me further because you're more you are much more in You're much more aware of conspiracies and fucking crypt all this ship that we've done in the show, nearly exclusively. You've because I didn't know anything about them. You're like, have you heard of this? No? And the what's so famous? No? I never heard of it? You

know, it's now this time I give I give that to you. It feels great, It's not you must feel all the time. Yeah. So I know nothing about this topic, right, but it goes to places that I think are going to blow people's minds. I know. I've done very very very very high level research just to get names, dates, locations for for tags, for keywords or when I post this, I just wanted to get started on the episode, you know, get started on the post.

Some of the articles that I pulled up that center around this murder or these murders, I guess you should say, blew my mind. Yeah, the the tentacles where they go. It's it's just amazing. So I just wanted to say that this is not about an octopus pornographic or pornographic right, No, not at all. It's not petty. So with that Oscar, please take it away. I've been dying to hear this. All right, sounds good. Let's go into my overdramaticized introduction here. Probably should stop laughing.

Okay, where does the unraveling begin? When there are multiple entries and loose strands and the fear of pulling on the wrong one will result in the loss of valuable time, effort, and will. That is the ball of mess and information I found myself in. I believe that disorganized nature of the embezzlement, the forgery, lying, stealing, appointing, arresting, threatening, and murdering that happens in this long tail actually makes it all seem more realistic,

more human. Unfortunately, this feat of unraveling nearly shriveled my interest in pursuing this case to nothing because of how big and messy it was getting. I am hartened, however, that I came across this case after many of the answers have already been found by relentless people whose lives were you know, changed by the events as you will hear shortly. Essentially, the victims or friends of the victims did most of the legwork, and it is their personal connection

to the Octopus murders that really peaked my interest at the start. So this story was first brought to my attention on TikTok by user user sorry at death Wish Princess, who gets into this grand tale of a triple murder that occurs in the nineteen eighties and the relentless search by one of the victim's daughters that finally led to the killer decades later. Decades, not like a year or

two. The woman in the video mentions conspirators and co conspirators, as well as another murder that happens ten years later, and she ends it all by saying the reason she knows all of this is because she's the granddaughter of one of the victims and that her mom was the one that found the killer. Cut to months later, three books or actually four now and roughly eighty articles,

and here we are. I wanted to mention the TikTok user whose video I will play later on to give people the ability to look her up if you want early spoilers and maybe a rough outline. Since there are so many characters, good and bad, from different sides and all walks of life, Today's show will be centered solely on a triple murder in nineteen eighty one and a parent suicide in nineteen ninety one and establish an overall bedrock of information and

people that makes this story stranger than fiction. And one monumental conspiracy, a conspiracy that touches on all sorts of interesting keywords such as government involvement, presidential involvement, the CIA, the mob, Native Americans, weapons manufacturing and selling, privacy hindering, computer software, hitmen, journalists, the iron contrast scandal, international dignitaries, political assassinations, and even aliens. Today's story will read

like a film. There's almost like a three act structure naturally in play, and a headstrong protagonist that tries to make sense of her crazy life. My advice to you is to try to pay attention. You never know the piece of information that would lead to a connection or an answer. So with that in mind, let's set the stage. The stage is Riverside County, California.

This particular county has a lot of heft As of the last census, Riverside County is the fourth most populous county in California and the tenth in the country. Pretty big. It's located in southern California and has mostly desert between Los Angeles and Arizona. Most of Joshua Tree National Park is on Riverside and where most of all peyote in the world is consumed. Hey. The city of Indio, one of the biggest locations in the county, lies next door

to a small Indian reservation. Its resort cities are Palm Springs, Palm Desert, Indian Wells, Lacinta, Rancho Mirage, and Desert Hot Springs, all located in the Coachella Valley region of Riverside County. I bring up Coachella because it is where we'll spend a lot of our time in particularly Indio and Rancho Mirage. That Indian reservation I teased a second ago is called Cabaison Band of

Mission Indians. It is a federally recognized tribe of the Kahuila Indians. I hope I'm pronouncing that correct, whose original territory held twenty four hundred square miles of land in southern California tribes splintered over the centuries into what are federally known as Western Khila, Mountain Kahila, and Desert Kahila, the last one being Cabison Band of Mission Indians, located seven miles outside of Indio, and the

tribe's headquarters located in Indio. It is a small tribe, having now enrolled thirty eight enrolled members, according to the San Diego State University Library. That's not to say that there aren't more, just not recognized as yet. Not to mention maybe the children they are old enough, and the fact that each federally recognized tribe sets its own rules for membership. Either way, it's a small tribe thirty eight and there is no unemployment for the Cabison banned the Mission

Indians. You might have guessed already, but this tribe found gainful employment on their land via a casino called Fantasy Springs Resort Casino. Have you heard of it? I have not. No. Apparently it's a big deal. It was built. I don't know, but it's California. So Cabison Band the Mission Indians are known for three things. One is when they won the pivotal court case California vi. Cabyson ban in the Supreme Court in nineteen eighty seven.

They argue that their high stakes Bengal parlors and poker rooms were lawful because California state law couldn't touch it. This led to the second thing they're known for, their actual casino, which spanned two hundred million dollars in two thousand and four to refurbish. This is after having had several expansions for millions more.

The last thing Capston Banda Mission Indians are known for is what the public claimed they were involved in with a man named John Philip Nichols, something called the Wagon Hut Corporation, and finally, a triple homicide that occurred in nineteen

eighty one. Let's get into that. The following information comes from a myriad of sources like local newspapers, retrospective magazine issues, and a good chunk from a book titled Return of the Buffalo, The Story behind America's Indian Gaming Explosion. Prior to midnight on June thirtieth, nineteen eighty one, three people were murdered in cold blood Alfred m Alvarez, Ralph Arthur Boeger, and Patricia Roberta

Castro. An investigator from the Riverside County Coroner's Office, Robert Drake, filed the report on the murder. Quote. I was contacted by telephone at seven thirty four am on July first, nineteen eighty one by the Riverside County Sheriff's Office in Indio. I was told of a triple triple homicide at thirty five zero four to zero Bob Hope Drive in the rural area of Rancho Mirage. The scene of this homicide is the backyard patio of the residence of Alvarez.

On that Bob Hope Drive. The three victims had been sitting in a semi circle. Castro had been sitting on a single bed facing south, Alvarez was sitting to her right on a wooden chair, and Boger had been sitting to his right on a wooden chair facing north. They were discovered by friends of Alvarez, William Callaway and Joe R. Benitez at about six forty am on July first, eighty one. When found, Castro was lying back across the

bed head to the north. Alvarez was still sitting but slumped to the right, while Boger was lying based down in the sand where he had fallen forward from his chair. All three were dressed, and from the initial distant examination it appeared that all three had been shot in the head and had been dead for several hours. Alvarez, Castro, and Boger were each killed by one

bullet to the back of the head. Examination of the bodies and the crime scene said that the killer slash killers were up close to their victims when they pulled the trigger. They were killed by thirty eight caliber bullets. And the reason I said killers like plural is because of how the victims were positioned when they died. It was theorized that it was theorized by police that since the shootings could not have occurred from afar, that it was most likely that the

victims knew the killers beforehand. This is because there are no signs of force or running away from surprise attackers, and the fact that the victims were facing each other proves the theory that no number of attackers could sneak up behind Castro, Boger, and Alvarez without one of them seeing it first each other right. They died in their last living positions, unaware of the thirty eight caliber

bullets heading their way. The main reason police believed that it was more than one shooter, though, is because one or two of the victims were not alerted when the first shot rang out. Say if they were maybe asleep or drunk, you know, say that Bolger and Alvarez were killed first in their

chairs. Even though it is possible that Castro could have you know, sat upright from the mattress she was laying in, she would have had enough time to try to flee or face the shooter, and the crime scene would have reflected that, but it didn't. The angle of each of the shots also came from different directions, so it's not like one person standing shot shot and the third person. You know, it was from different directions. Oh okay,

back of the head. Remember that I should note that the reason the trio were chilling in the backyard was to escape the heat from inside, since there was no air conditioning. It explains the mattress anyway. Autopsy did show zero point fourteen percent plural fluid alcohol and Alvarez's system, while Bolger had point oh eight alcohol content, which is the base used to determine driver intoxication in

California. There were no signs of drug use in the autopsies. Oddly, Patricia Castro's body was not examined for autopsy, and the coroner does not state why in his report, and I have no clue, by the way,

humhm. My theory is that this could mean that the killers were maybe not known by the victims, that they had enough time to get into positions while the two men were intoxicated, you know, pop pop, then head to the wakings slash sleeping Castro for the final pop. I believe it's a stretch to think that one killer did the shooting, no matter how drunk, but

it can mean that they weren't friends about as in company. You're saying, we don't know that the hitman waited for the right time is what I believe most likely. I say hitmen because that's what the police thought. That the triple murderer had all the hallmarks of a professional hit. I'll get back to

this later on. One important thing about this triple homicide to note is that nearly everyone, from local police to federal institutions, conspiracy theorists, friends, co workers, and families of the deceased, not to mention yours, truly believed that the target was Fred Alvarez. By the end of the story, there is no way you'll think the shooters were at Alvarez's home for anyone else

but Alvarez. Okay, Castro and Bolger were innocent bystanders. Before we start speculating as to why and who wanted Fred Alvarez dead, there is one theory floating out there to suggest something else. Not long before his death, Fred revealed to a doctor, Nikol and tribal members of the band of Mission Indians that Patricia Castro's husband was soon to be released from prison and had passed the word along he was going to kill his wife's lover. Police were told about

this, but nothing has come from it that I've read personally. That's the one Castro angle anyway, you know, plus the possibility that she and Fred were lovers, which is possible. I honestly do not have much on the third victim, Ralph Boger. He had a family he barely saw, was divorced, He smoked weed and rode his motorcycle. There was taught that he had made drug dealings with the Hell's Angels and that he and Fred Alvarez have

been accused of drug deals. And while it does serve as a potential reason for the triple slayings. The cleanliness of the crime scene and other information I will bring up here say otherwise. Now, Alvarez wasn't that special either. He was a big biker who became locally popular in his youth for wrestling and playing college football. He was assertive, alpha and wasn't try to let his

temper intimidate you if it got him what he needed. There was drug use and supposed drug deals, which again some people think is what led to his demise in eighty one. But there's a mixed bag of highs and lows about what people thought of Fred Alvarez. People liked them, people didn't. His importance to this case is that he was a tribal member of the Cabison Band of Mission Indians. He used to be one of the thirty something tribe members.

Oh okay, that's what makes them important to this case. He made it as far as vice chairman before being demoted or voted out of that position. Reading the excerpts from the disclosed Cabison Band meetings, you could tell that Fred Alvarez was going through a tough time in the years before the tribes win against the the state of California to build their grand casino. They did have

poker rooms, bingal parlors, and alcohol licenses to sell that shit. How and where on reservation land were these amenities produced was up to the tribe's votes. I'm not going to get into the intricacies of a tribal organization, but I will say that Fred Alvarez was a tribal officer. When he died, he tried to get the votes to build his own poker room slash bar on the land. A woman who worked closely with Fred mentioned to a reporter that

he had also wanted topless dancers, but that's beside the point here. After creating a rift and a faction against the majority to get the votes, Fred still lost not just a business opportunity, but he lost credibility within the tribe. These meetings were happening somewhere between March and June of eighty one, weeks

before his death. There were complaints to the council that Fred was being uncooperative to patrons of the established poker rooms and bingo parlors, that he did not help others with their responsibilities on tribal land, that he selfishly expected help for his business venture and was but hurt when he didn't get it. You know, this led to a few things that give this triple murder conspiracy some complicated spice. It was reported that Fred was meeting with journalists and telling close friends

that he had information of embezzlement occurring on Cabison Indian land. He hinted, yeah, he hinted that a John Philip Nichols, who did work for the Cabiston Band of Mission Indians, was into some very suspicious activity. So the Nichols family, which is John Philip Nichols, or he was called Nichols Senior sometimes his wife Joanne Nichols. I was confused Joan and Joanne. Sorry, His wife Joanne Nichols and his son John Paul Nichols also worked for the Cabiston

Band of Mission Indians. But they weren't Indians themselves, they were not tribe members, but they were instrumental to the business dealings. It's safe to say that the reason Cabizon ban were able to get liquor licenses, cigarette licenses and able to make important casino connections is in large part large part due to the Nichols. I have a useful two pronged example that shows how productive and resourceful

this little family was, especially in the seventies and eighties. Quote doing this meeting, Doctor Nichols, meaning John Phillips Senior, made two significant reports, the first of which described recent trips he had taken to Taiwan, Korea, and Japan and of his meeting with local and lumber purchasers in those countries. His trips there were financed by Wallace Shipping Chartering Limited, a company trying to market coal to those and other countries, and it was paying a monthly fee

to use doctor Nichols as a consultant. These fees were being used by Nichols and the tribe to meet office expenses and stay alive as an economic development entity. Nichols's second report, according to the Minutes, discussed the advantages of forming an Indian security company and becoming eligible to apply for contacts with minority preference. He indicated that Wackenhut Incorporated and Intersect Incorporated were both well known security firms which

have been interested in working with an Indian firm. After his presentation, Fred Alvarez moved to drafted resolution calling for the formation of cabasan security company The motion was seconded by John James and passed unanimously. These guys knew how to get shit done, So John John Senior, he's a he's a mover and a shaker. He's kind of the spon. He's the one that makes things connect

and happen. And that's exactly right. Does he make it? Does he have a Is there like a type of a person in your head based on that? Oh? Sure, I mean I know plenty of people who I know very few who are like that, or or who want to pretend they're like that anyway. Yeah, oh yeah, there's that too. But now my question is did these murders happen on tribal land. No they did not. Okay, the house on Rancha Mirage is like fifteen minutes away. Okay.

I was wondering because you know, tribal land, that's a whole nother. Yeah, it's not justice system, you know. That's why I gave That's why I gave the address, and I said, ran yeah, it's not on trouble. The murders. Okay, I do, I do, I do make the I do hammer that later, but ok no, I

would just for good questions. Let's see the reports lend some nuance into what Cabyson Band was into and what led to their massive success in the nineties and two thousands, not to mention that it helps explain key information and figures as to the scope of this conspiracy. The reports tell us that while doctor Nichols was employed at the as the reservation as a manager, he actually was more

of a resource developer and financial advisor. The reports also say that the reason Cabizon Band's involvement with Wackenhutt and other companies was mainly financial reasons were mainly financial reasons. Wackenhut will be dealt with in great detail at some point. Part two. Do not worry. All of these reports say that John Philip Nichols, whom Fred Alvarez allegedly told outsiders and insiders, was into some heavy shit

and very possibly illegal. There is no evidence of this, but people say that Fred Alvarez disapproved of doctor Nichols's leadership and high status as a non member of an Indian reservation, which may help explain why he wanted his own poker room and dismissed the rest. It was also reported, though not in evidence, again, that Alvarez knew that John Philip Nichols was in bezzling cassine funds and had set up a meeting for July first, nineteen eighty one, the

day he was found dead, to try to fire him. Reading the minutes from his final few meetings with the tribe, I have to say that there's no evidence to support this. It should also be mentioned that it was tribal policy to count their earnings made in those Bengo potters and poker rooms daily to thwart any skimming, adding fuel to the fire. People have also said that Alvarez new or suspected that Nichols involved the Cabison tribe into arms dealings with the

government, and I will get to that eventually. Yeah, these are the threads that conspiracy theories from nineteen eighty to present day believe led to the triple homicide. Interesting so, arms dealing, casinos, liquor licenses, tribal land, shady money like gray area money. Right, Yeah, this wacken hut. I'm curious to see w have you ever heard of them? Only? I think I've I read it briefly when kind of looking for the keywords.

I mean, before today, I have not no interesting. Oh have you really I wonder if it started out as kind of like a shell dummy company to run money through or something to clean money. I'm not sure I can tell you right now, and not not in a spoiler way. But they're very real. So they're they're up and up, gotcha, I mean they but they're just so big, they're huge. Yeah, Well, get more. Yeah, that's an entire segment for part two, trust me, okay.

Now. The tribe that made a press release concerning this tragedy quote the Cabiston Band of Mission Indians express its sorrow over the death of Fred Alfred Alvarez, a member of the band. His untimely death, along with those of Patricia Castro and Ralph Bolger, are most unfortunate. We publicly publicly express our

condolences to the immediate family and friends of the three victims. Since the deaths did not occur on federal land, the state of California, County of River, County of Riverside has jurisdiction, Mister blank Clark, the capable Sheriff of Riverside County, has our full confidence in being able to solve these deaths. We as a tribe will help and cooperate in any way we can with the Sheriff's office. The Cabiston Banna Mission Indians respects the American judicial system and knows

that justice will prevail. We wish to state categorically that the unfortunate incident, which involved the three victims, only one of whom was a tribal member, was wholly unrelated to Cabistan tribal business or the operation of our tribal casino.

We are in possession of certain evidence, which we have already turned over to the County Sheriff's office, which indicated that the murders may have been attributed to personal relationships between the victims and other persons unconnected in any way with the Cabinson Band. We are confident that when the case is solved, as it will be, and all the facts are disclosed, their charges and innuendos will be

shown to be crownless. Until that time, we would only ask that the press deal with this tragedy in a responsible and professional manner and not allow itself to be used by those with ulterior motives. That is one hell of a statement. Actually I cut some parts of it out, by the way, but yeah, yeah, that's a hell of a state. Now. So I'm taking because they mentioned right there, you know, these charges are unfounded.

Basically, I'm guessing they were already rumors swirling that amount an insane amount of them. Yeah, I had something to do with Whack and this guy. Okay, okay, And there they're plead to tell their their pleader the press, to to like, hey, you know, you know, be nice totally does not work. You're about to find really doesn't work. The fact that we're here talking about it, it means that it didn't work. Okay, okay, Like the very fact that there's so many books about it

that I'm fucking burnt out over. It's safe to say that this did nothing to quell journalists, townsfolk, and conspiracy theories from making Fred Alvarez a martyr. The tribe was harassed daily with questions of their involvement with the triple murder. As frustrated as they were with journalists who were, you know, indeed damaging the Cabizon Band image, the real fight was with the police. They raided this federally recognized Indian land a couple times, taking lots of documents and

questioning everybody that might lead to an arrest. This is not strange behavior for the tribe. Though for some time before Alvarez met his demise, county and local police had some hate for this tribal territory. They opposed and fought the selling of cigarettes, alcohol, and bringing gambling to their corner of the world. Lots of court dates and threats, guys, it makes sense why the tribe quickly made that press release and fully cooperated with statements and paperwork only a

day or two after the triple murders. It didn't help much, and since Capustan band of Mission Indians got the last laugh with their big court win, you know in the mid eighties, the harassment and traumatic image in the public subsided over the years for the most part. Let's bring a woman in here, a woman named Rachel Begley on board. Rachel Begley was thirteen years old when her father, Ralph Boger, was killed in Rancho Mirage, California.

Much of the following comes from a Wired article in twenty eleven. Quote she learned of her father's death from our television news bulletin. Her parents were divorced, and though she spent occasional days with her dad riding in his motorcycle, sidecar. She didn't know enough about his life to make sense of what had

happened. The police would eventually conclude that Boger and Alvarez were killed in connections with shady doings at the nearby Cabison Indian Reservation, but Begley's mother shielded her from all the murky details of the investigation. After the murders, Beglei went through a rebellious face and fell in with a bad crowd. By the time she was fifteen, she was pregnant and had dropped out of high school.

Eventually, she got her ged and moved to Iowa. She says she would periodically wonder about the case and check in with the police, who never seemed to have any new information. Beyond that, she didn't have time or tools to delve too deeply. Then one night in two thousand and seven, she

idly typed her father's name into Google. She didn't find much, but as she clicked through the few results that came up, she found a book titled The Octopus, Secret Government and the Death of Danny Cassillaro, based on the work of a fee French freelance journalists. The book argued that the nineteen eighty one, triple slang was wrapped up in an enormous plot involving arm stealing,

private security firms, and the upper echelons of the Reagan administration. Skeptical but intrigued Begley dug deeper and discovered that over the years, the murder case had taken a curious life of its own, preserved on obscure websites and nurtured by a grassroots community of obsessives. To these conspiracy theorists, Boger's killing was the work of a secret syndicate they called the Octopus because its tangled tentacles supposedly reached

into some of the most powerful organizations in the world. The octopus, Man, Is that a cool name for a secret murderous organization? Holy shit, isn't it cool? Yeah? Yeah, I mean we're kind of like jo thing about the bad part of this, but yes, yeah, yeah, I know it's terrible. Yeah. Yeah. Would imagine being this this poor girl, you know, finding this out about your dad. Your dad could

be involved in this massive conspiracy. Oh, if you believe what I believe that he was just an innocent bystander, but he was still a part of it technically. Yeah, I mean, and that's pretty sensational, isn't it. You can see how Rachel Begley turns into like a Michelle McNamara type of an investigator, just a just a more low rent but with a personal skin in the game, right. You can see that. You can also see

how this this is catnip for reporters. The story sells itself. Rachel began her investigation late in the game, but managed to find much of the important information that links motives to the triple murder and other hits and shady dealings. By hits, I mean assassinations. She discovered that police and initially suspected John Philip Nichols of committing the murders because of what the local papers like Daily News

Voice of the Valley printed concerning Alvarez's speculation of embezzlement with the casinos. We know the truth of that, but he was the first suspect investigators focused on. Through Nichols, Rachel found out that he and Cabazon struck a partnership with a private security firm that has clients around the globe called Wackenhut. Many books

and articles came out in the early nineteen nineties talking about this. Publications like those led Rachel Begley to find out that the Cabson Slash wacken Hut partnership led to the manufacturing of arms on federal Indian land. Ooh right. More digging led to finding out that a big portion of the information and connections were discovered by a freelance journalist who died in nineteen ninety one one, Danny Cassillaro.

I will focus on him soon enough. Quote most of the stuff I didn't believe, Begley says, I thought all of these people were making money off of my dad's murder writing these books. She was angry enough, in fact, that she was determined to prove the speculators wrong. At the time, Begley was working in customer service for an internet service provider which was moving its back office operations to another state, and she was spending her days sitting idly

at her computer waiting to get laid off. Begley had once worked for a collections agency, and she knew how to track people down. I went into it with a mindset, I guess, almost like a police officer would. She says. No one had ever been charged in the killings. Nicholas was long gone. He had died of a heart attack in two thousand and one, but Begley talked to albert as a sister who recounted her families thwarted efforts to get to the to get the police to pursue the case she found.

She then found William Hamilton, the developer of the promised software, who had collaborated with Casillaro on his investigation. Hamilton called her back on her cell phone as she was leaving for work one day and then talked and talked until his battery died. It was like boom, she said later on. He dumped

it all in my lap. Begley may have started out trying to be systi octopus, but she gradually gave into the theories implications, which is that her father had been caught up in a vast conspiracy and it had killed him. You've said a lot there. There's a lot of little tidbits in that. Well that that's why I gave you the beat sign, like, okay,

if you want to say something. So you alluded to a suicide in ninety one at the top of the show during your intro, So here's becausing the the next laro, right, kess Lara was the journalist who supposedly committed suicide. The other thing you mentioned that was really interesting. Oh god, it just flew out of my mind. Is that the helmet? Yes, yes, the promise software? Thank you, the promise software? Y p r M I s. I believe p R. I think it's the whole isn't

it the whole thing? R M I S. I don't think is that what it is? I'm pretty sure it's just without the E but all capitalized. It's a acronym. I thought it was PR. I saw that today during the Maybe, but I've been reading it that way. Maybe I got it all wrong in my head. Okay, I just wanted to bring it up incause people wanted to follow that rabbit hole on their own and promised.

Yeah. That's another thing that I'm kind of encouraging slash discouraging along with the show, is that if you want to find out in due time, by all means, wait along with the script with me, and next time and maybe next time after that, and then so you could get the pieces together at I write it and as I tell it to you, I think will be more fun. However, if you can't wait That's why I gave you.

That's why I gave him the TikTok user at the top. That's why I'm giving all these names also, even though I'm not going to explain them yet, I'm giving the names out of the case people who have not heard of this at all, Like you want to look forward and a head you got it? Got it? Yeah, those are the two big things I pulled out there. For sure. For sure, that's a big ass fucking thing. The promising, Oh yeah, here comes. I promise that I'll

get to it, to the promise software scandal soon enough. But I like how Rachel said it. It was like boom, he dumped it all in my lap. It's starting to feel like that's what I'm doing, stumping shit on your lap. You know, already there's a bunch of new information, but the bombardment is not over, continuing Rachel's discovery and trying to put a fine finale bow to nineteen eighty one triple murders. Here's a news clip from

two thousand and eight. It is edited for time in years. Tonight, we have an exclusive interview with the daughter of one of those murder victims. Her search for her father's killers has jump started this cold case. Three people executed in nineteen eighty one at this Ranchamurage home. There are few clues and no arrests. Fred Alvarez was vice chairman of the Cabazon Banned Mission Indians. Back then they had a card room. Today they have Fantasy Springs casino.

Oliverrez's friend, Ralph Boger was also murdered. He was likely at the wrong place at the wrong time. His daughter Rachel, was never satisfied with a lack of progress in the murder case. When I was sixteen, I decided to go out and try and figure out what was going on with all this, and I went down to the murder scene and to the reservation, and

a week later I was getting death threats. Fred Alvarez was planning to blow the whistle on a business partnership between defense contractor Wackenhut Services and Cabazon manager John Phillip Nichols to form Cabazon Arms. Nichols allegedly planned on using Indian land to test and build pistols, assault rifles, sniper guns, and rocket launchers. The partnership was interested in biological weapons that could be deployed in small countries.

I even have things in place should anything happen to me to where this will not drop. We're not dropping this investigation either. We now have internal defense contractor memos revealing two other local Indian tribes that planned on heavy weapons testing on reservations. We'll expose them and our next investigation piece. If you've missed any part of this thirty three part exclusive investigation more than one year in the making, catch up with our reports on KSQ dot com if you didn't catch it.

That clip is the thirty third part of a long series that investigated the triple murders and other deaths and connections. It's from WESQ dot com if you want to see what they found. To say that they have a video version of this podcast is only half correct. I believe I have more info, but they actually talk to the people involved, so you know. The newsclip doesn't mention that one of the weapons that were being manufactured on tribal land was

fuel air explosives, which will be key to remember later. Again, it says that Alvarez was pissed off about this and that, but there isn't much of his worries on paper or testimonies. As you would think. Regardless, the weapons angle is worth killing someone over, and a man like John Philip

Nichols, as resourceful and connected as he was, could do it. A good portion of the Wired piece of Rachel Begley's journey of discovery is spent on learning the ropes of conspiracy circles, navigating through trial and error, reasonable and nut jobs alike nut jobs, learning which sites were taken more seriously, who could trust her inquiries, and in turn, who could she eventually trust.

This led to a friendship with a woman named Cherry Seymour. Quote. The two sealed their friendship with a transaction of weather documents, the octopus community's customary medium of exchange, copying Seymour's files, which the author had gathered from archives, courts, and confidential sources. Hidden trailer, Begley glimpsed the far reaches of the speculation, bio weapons, Lebanese heroin shipments, Howard Hughes and the Yakuza. Oh my god, Howard Hughes and the yakaza two. How do

you put those in the same breath as this? I don't think that's ever been spoken aloud. That's right said when I read the article That's exactly what I said. I'm like, I don't think those two things I've ever been combined in an entirety of history. Yeah, Oh my god, I'm just fucking teasing on all right. Cherry Seymour's big contribution to this conspiracy she is a book that was published in twenty ten titled The Last Circle Danny Casillaro's Investigation

into the Octopus and the Promised Software Scandal. This book, which I barely started reading this weekend, is on the short list of must reads for anything relating to the Octopus conspiracy. Thought there Moving on, Rachel Bagley began posting on Facebook and YouTube to educate others, but to also gain the attention of anyone that might be involved somehow. After several videos documenting her investigations, Rachel was surprised to get a call from the cold case unit from Riverside County.

She was dismissed a year earlier as a nut job by Riverside County authorities, but this time they called her to say that the investigation was being reopened. Rachel focused and determined found a prime suspect in the murder of her father, a man named Jimmy Hughes. Let's get into it. California has a state version of the Freedom of Information Act called California Public Records Act, and the grand majority of what I found about Jimmy Hughes comes from the families of the

murder victims, police Cabison Indian Tribe members obtaining files this way. They in turn sent copies to people like Rachel Begley and Cherry Seymour who write books and post videos, which is how I know. This is as direct as I can get. Even though it's denied later, it's clear that Jimmy Hughes worked for Cabazon Band of Mission Indians at least from nineteen eighty to nineteen eighty four. His role there was that of a security guard working under John Philip Nichols.

Paperwork calling him a security guard became hard to find after the triple murder of Alvarez, Castro and Bolger, but it's clear in the minutes I read from a meeting in August of nineteen eighty, the tribal Business Committee was trying to set up a trap in Ski Range, and Jimmy Hughes, labeled that security guard, was recommended for help. The report of that meeting reflect the exhaustive planning that went into this range. But here's another big example of Hughes

on Cabazon payroll. Quote. On March third, nineteen eighty three, the Cabizan Bingo Palace opened for business. This time the Riverside County Sheriff closed it down. The tribe went to court, and on May sixth, nineteen eighty three, Judge Waters issued a preliminary injunction against the county. He also imposed a bond of fifty thousand dollars on the tribe. Like I said, the

cops didn't like the ship. Two years later, after a thwarting an attempted takeover by Wayne Reader, Peter's accost John Patrick McGuire, and Jimmy Hughes, which later devolved into charges by Reader of threats on Reader's life by Hughes on counter charges, the tribe was hit by a twenty twenty Heraldo rivera TV report

that gave national coverage to distortions of reality. As a result, the tribe would suffer to terrible public credibility problems until February twenty fifth, nineteen eighty seven. Unquote Heroldo man Heraldo, Yeah, everyone knows him. I mean not everyone. I guess he's that old now, but ask your parents, you know. But yeah, the credibility problems until February twenty fifth, nineteen eighty seven is timely because that's when they win the Court against the Supreme Court case

with against California to make their casino. So ah, I see, okay, makes sense. I'm surprised the police were able to go on the tribal lands and shut that yet a bingo hall. Again, I don't know how it works, I mean neither. Yeah, so it must have happened. I mean the clip did it so. A journalist for The Desert Sun, a man named John Hussarma call him Hussar, from the mid eighties to the mid nineties, wrote several articles smearing and convicting many people connected to Cabizon tribe

of crazy sounding things, mainly involving arms dealing in South America. What he wrote about Jimmy Hughes is as follows and comes from from the book A direct I mentioned earlier Return of the Buffalo, and I should say right now, this is the only time I have sience to say it. Return of the Buffalo tries to dismiss the conspiracy theories that people talk about with this tribe. It kind of fails at it, but it does clear up some things,

so I think it did some good jobs too. Anyway, Sorry quote third in Who's Sorry. Third in Hussar's string is the conviction of doctor Nichols, followed by the fourth, which repeats the drug crazed allegations of one Jimmy Hughes given the false title of former tribal security chief, a title he never held,

which is true. Hussar writes that Hughes had filed a statement in nineteen eighty four charging there was profit skimming at the Cabazan Bingal Palace and that the Cabazons and the Nichols's family were involved in gun running missions in Central and South America. By publishing this, Hussar was republishing two blatant lies. There have been no gun running missions by the Cabisans or the Nichols anywhere in the world,

and Hughes was never a Cabazan security chief. In his repetition of these lies, he then added that Hughes claimed to be a batman for Nichols in the Alvariz murder. At no time has Hussar written the truth about Hughes the speed freak, although the truth was of available and Hughes was never a bagman for Nichols or the cab soons for any purpose. Now that's the bias of the book, right, that's how the book said. But what do you

think of that? Real quick because the couple truths couple not truths there. One, he wasn't a security chief. He was a he was an officer, security officer for sure, but you're right, he wasn't a security chief. So right there, the journalist is getting something wrong, perpetruting a lie. Like you said, the gun running is technically right only in the sense

that you're right, I guess they didn't do it themselves. But if they're made there and sent out by someone else, same problem, different level, you know. That's my thought on that anyway. But interesting how people are trying to dismiss this stuff as you as you as you read more. That's fucking weird, right, yeah, it's kind of that's hard to kind of parcel some of this stuff. It was well known by several people at the time that Jimmy Hughes had a taste for methan fatamine. Hughes was fired as

a security guard in nineteen eighty four and banned from the reservation. On his way out, according to what was reported by the sheriff, quote, he meaning Hughes, became argumentative and belligerent and invited me to step outside. I stepped outside with him, but he made no effort to strike me. We were joined by Charles wellmis security guard, Treasurer Wellmos, Virginia Wilmos Carol Teagarden, all employees of the Bengal Palace. By the way, they sound like

strip of names. I'm sorry, Tea Garden, come on, what is that? And Doctor John Nichols. Doctor Nichols tried to reason with him, but to no avail. Jimmy Hughes directed his angle toward Doctor Nichols told him his days were numbered. A minute or two later, just before entering his car, he told Doctor Nichols quote, you better leave the state unquote. On his way out of the parking lot, three or four shots were fired. I can only assume they were fired by Jimmy Hughes unquote for real.

Hmmm, interesting, Okay, it's kind of an asshole. Clearly clearly said that's what I wrote here. Clearly an asshole. We're after that. You're pointing to the screen right like you can see me. So we got meth head Jimmy. We don't know. We don't know how he's connected yet, truly. Uh. I mean he's not too Abazon. That's established. That's why I'm establishing here, and that he knew Nichols threatened him and all that got fired from working there, banned from the reservation. But connected to the

triple murders. Well, he just said it, right, he said it, and the heated thing that what people were saying that he was a batman for the Alvarez hit. We don't know if he had said that yet, but you know, he is pissed at Nichols for something or other. I will get to that. Don't worry. All this will be explained, but yes he is. You're going to find out he's something connected for sure.

Heading back to Rachel Begley in two thousand and seven, she became interested in Jimmy Hughes because of articles written in the eighties and nineties like Hussar's pieces. A note to remember is that back in eighty four, Hughes implicated Nichols Senior to police that he was using cash payments to unidentified contract killers for the Alvarez hit, which he called US government covert action. He called it that we

don't know if it's true. After a while, police shifted suspicions to Hughes, at which point fled town and the grand jury investigation stopped just let him go. Well, he fled tom before they could, you know, properly get him for it. But yeah, he told the police, Hey, this guy might have killed loverus and like, well, why do you know

that? So they turned their heads to him and he led. Basically, they call him an informant, and the report read, okay, yeah, let's see where am I. But here's what Bagley found owned out and later reported by places like WESQ, Fox News and Wired and so forth. Begley discovered that Hughes became an evangelical minister stationed in Hondudas, but with programs all over including the States, Honduras. Sorry I didn't say it the way way.

This ministry began, and this ministry began in nineteen ninety five, and it provided services in Central America to battered women, drug addicts, and others. The website doesn't exist anymore, but it did have an autobiographical essay that was written by Hughes. It talks about how he had an elite military training, which companies like the Wackenhut security firm was known for doing, and had a career as a contract killer that his life was transformed when he was born

again. It was called Jimmy Hughes Hu's Ministries, and its headquarters was in Miami, Florida. Jimmy Hughes kind of reminds me of David Burkowitz at the end there, remember oh yeah, the big trains from me finding religion, right, Yeah? Wow, what a convenient way to also have locations to send guns to. Yeah, man, hot a gun running to Central America. Maybe you know, established some places some people I don't know. Interesting

man. Begley found out that Hughes was scheduled to address an evangelical banquet in Fresno, California, on February. On February two thousand and eight, Rachel Begley had a hidden camera in her purse as she confronted Jimmy Hughes. Quote. Hughes, a stocky fifty one year old with a graying bus cut and

raspy voice, bounded around, bellowing tales of his past brutality. Begley, nervous and bleary eyed from a sleepless cross country flight, exchanged incredulous text messages with an accomplice who had come along as backup, Mikael Alvarez, Fred's son. Yeah, they banded totally Metica epos. When Hughes finished his performance, Begley and Alvarez came forward with a rush of adrenaline, introducing themselves to the

Sweatsiak evangelist evangelist as the children of the murder victims. Can't say nothing about that, Hughes stammered. It's a long time ago. It's in the past, not for us, Begley said, insistently, we're trying to get resolution. I don't care who got killed, Hughes shouted, attracting the bewildered attention of others at the banquet. I was trained in the military. I killed people all over the world, right or wrong, because the government ordered me

to. Hughes stalked off, fuming, and Begley began to cry. That seemed to bother the minister, because he came back, speaking in a tone that was softer but full of veiled menace. Apparently he had seen her web videos. Are you aware that that goes all over the world? Are you crazy? Lady, Hugh said, Think about your children. They need a mother. He told Begley and Alvarez that the murder was a mafia hit, and though he didn't explicitly admit to carrying it out, he intimated that he

knew much more. Your parents were involved in some very dangerous things, Hughes said, It's a lot bigger than just the murder of this guy or the murder of that guy. You're talking political people. You've got babies to take care of mama. Go home tonight and be at peace. Suddenly the murky crime had come into focus, and the conspiracy theories confronted with an unaccustomed feeling vindication. Do you give me gave me the chills, I hope. So

when he came back, that gave me the chills. You got babies to take care of mama. Yeah the way he said that, Now, what a Hollywood scene. Yeah, this feels like I'm what a Hollywood scene? Such a movie. I can see this guy stalking around on stage right getting getting people whipped up in a frenzy. He's whipped up in the friends I think Kevin's face, it could do it. Yeah, I know he's like taboo right now, but that's why it would work. I don't think.

Yeah, he's been canceled. Uh. And then they have him come back out and boom, right there in front of his face with the kids. Oh, Vincent and Afria. He's a big guy. He could to Vincent and Affria would be good. Sorry, I don't know why we're pitching this. Yeah, then boom there's the kids of two of the murder victims. Yeah, what a scene. Jesus right, here's something else here, part

of the same. All but one of the videos remain from Rachel Bagley's YouTube channel, which is called Desert Faye, Desert and then Faye Fae all one word if you want to look at up Desert Faye. I have no concrete reason why. Maybe it was how Rachel was able to live in peace after the events, but regardless, here's a clip of her confrontation with Jimmy Hughes a long time ago. Where's in the past. I'm trying to get a resolution a lot of things in my life. Something I want to forget about

the past. It is so awful and scary in my past. I don't live there anymore. I don't got nothing to do with that. Shrew the FBI, screw the police, shrew everybody else in my past. I don't care about my past. There's the world I live in is shrewed up and messed up. There's a lot of hurt, there's a lot of you know. What what you need to do is like God, come in your heart, and what you need to do to say, Lord, pray my father's in heavens. I pray when I die, I go to Lord. Do

you have children? Now? Do you have children? Pray for your children, love your children, to prevent your children. Listen, what's your name? What's your name? Let me tell you something. You know, world we live is full of a lot of things. But if you're a fast need to do, no, I'm happy you're making me make amends for what for acting in our thought. No no no, no, no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no. Excuse me. I'm fifty one years old.

I'll turn fifty one three days ago. I had to give a crap about that. So let me tell you something. Let me put it very clear. Let me put a care about people. People don't oh my life not w's my life. And I'm not afraid of you. And I'm not afraid of what people saying. Let me tell you something. I'm not afraid of what people don't. Make me a break. Let me tell you something. I go to bet at night with a clear conscience. I don't wake up

the boil with a clear contry. So let me tell you something about my past. My past is dead. I don't care about my past, my passes, my past is none of your business. There's none of your business. There's nobody's business. I don't care who died. I don't care who got killed. I was trained in the military. I kill people all over

the world. Right, we're wrong because the government or go to the colts, go to the police and ask then, why don't they get off their butt and take about the Nichols jail or somebody who has something to do with it all. I'm not allowed to say anything. Don't you understand? Okay, I'm not allowed to say anything? Is it not allowed to say nothing? The catch is that there are there are other people. I know.

It's a little hard to hear and a little fast. So that's why I wanted to mention the put in the dialogue of what he said first and then put the clip in so hopefully you guys understood it fine enough and followed it. But yeah, that's what the motherfucker said. So and that was from her secret courting her heeading camera and her camera wow audio And obviously the camera itself doesn't show anything because it's in the purse, so it's just the audio

really, but still it's all it's all him. Yeah, wow, Rachel didn't take this line down. She joined forces with a man named John Powers. Here's a bit of Powers from his LinkedIn bio that I found. He began his career with law enforcement in nineteen eighty five with the Coastguard, and starting in nineteen eighty nine, he began He's sorry he began. He spent the next twenty six years with the Riverside County Sheriff's Department as a patrolman,

narcotics investigator, homicide detective, and finally sergeant. John was selected to develop and implement a cold case team. While he was a homicide detective, John Powers connected with Begley after seeing the video of her encounter with Jimmy Hughes, saying, quote the statements she got from him, no police officer would have ever been able to get unquote. Powers was tasked to get into the nineteen eighty one murders and formed a partnership with Rachel Begley to arrest Jimmy Hughes.

That's right, because now it's reopened at this point. Yeah, yeah, A few things to note at this time. Remember that grand jury investigation that began in the eighties by Riverside police against Jimmy Hughes. This is when he informed on the police that John Nichols was responsible right for paying someone off to kill Alvarez. That investigation that had barely begun anyway, John Powers found it odd that he could not find it. He said it had simply disappeared.

Of course, I don't know what that means. He doesn't know either. After what the article called procedural wrangling, a warrant was finally issued for Jimmy Hughes in August two thousand and nine. He was arrested at Miami Dade International Airport in October trying to get to Hodudas fifty two years old. In two thousand and nine, Hughes faced three counts of murder in the execution style shootings of Cabison tribal official Alfred Alvarez and his friends Patricia Castro and Ralph Boger.

There was also a count of conspiracy to commit a crime very important. The official reason for the warrant goes basically like this. Hughes conspired with John Philip Nichols and his son John Paul, as well as other parties, to prevent Alvarez from exposing illegal activities occurring at the Cabison Indian Reservation. It's beginning to

feel like the final fifteen minutes of a crime thriller movie. Jumping to July one, the twenty ninth anniversary of the Triple murders, an important hearing takes place in an Indian courtroom. Octopus community vets like Cherry Seymour sits among the reporters. This is the part of the movie where justice is carried out, but alas it does not quote. Then Michael Murphy, a dapper prosecutor from the Attorney General's office, rose and delivered a shocking blow. We have lost

confidence in our ability to proceed with the prosecution, he said. Begley closed her eyes tightly as the prosecutor gave a vague reason for his sudden about face, something about new information and a reassessment of the evidence. Afterwards, Powers stood next to Begley outside the courtroom as she addressed the television cameras sobbing.

The detective was disgusted by the outcome. The Attorney General's office gave no further public explanation for its decision, but Power sensed that the prosecutors were eager to dump the case. Murphy, he said, started to question the credibility of the witnesses that Begley had uncovered. Throughout all this, Begley had used Twitter and Facebook to mobilize the Octopus believers to pressure Murphy sorry, and at least a few called the prosecutor to urge him to look beyond Hughes and dig into

the myriad connection that they had spent decades documenting. Begley's devotion and inventive use of the Internet had helped ensnare Hughes, but the obsessions of her fellow travelers may have helped to undermine the prosecutor's confidence. Oh Man Murphy declined to comment unquote, so so her fellow conspiracy hm hmm. Like they went through hard and they got they were too excited, like they like they found out that the girl said yes to the first did and they go there and the two

fucking nervous. They talked too fucking fast. They're too excited, and they ruined the date and they destroyed the credibility. Ye oh what a kick and the teeth. I mean, you can't talk to conspiracy there is because if we'rever actually proven, right, how are we going to contain themselves? How how will you contain yourself? Jay? We can't, We can't, I can't anyway. On July second, twenty ten, the l Day Time has

had a little more on this matter. Quote. During a court hearing in Indio, Deputy Attorney General Mike Murphy told a Weverside County Superior Court judge that his office was dropping the charges because of new evidence uncovered by state prosecutor prosecutors sorry investigating the twenty nine year old case. Neither Murphy nor a spokesman for Attorney General Jerry Brown provided details on those new findings. So I don't know

what it was. We conducted an exhausted and exhaustive review of the evidence. Pro by the Sheriff's Department. We re interviewed key witnesses and uncovered additional evidence tied to the case, said Evan Westrop, a spokesman for Brown. This process and the new information of our office and the new information or office discovered materially changed our assessment of the nature and quality of the evidence. Hughes was

expected to be released from jail, authority, said. The Attorney General's Office asked that the charges be dismissed without prejudice, meaning charges could be filed at a later date. The Attorney General's Office had been prosecuting the case because Hughes

is a distant cousin of Riverside County's District Attorney Rod Pacheco. Pacheco lost a bid for reelection in June to Riverside County Superior Court Judge Paul Salerback, however, creating the possibility that the new district attorney could take over the case. So that's why I was sent to this other distric because there was an actual conflict of interest here. Wow, didn't see that one coming. No, I didn't see that one in either coming. But nothing's come from it.

I looked up in the sky it's pretty normal. Begley, who worked closely with detectives from the Riverside County Sheriff's Department, was livid about the prosecutorous decision to drop the charges. This is a miscarriage of justice. The case against him, since it was filed nine months ago, has not changed. Begley

said, I'm not going to give up. I'm not done. I'm going to speak justice for my dad, Fred and Patricia Hughes, an ex Army ranger and former security director at the Cabinson Casino and Tribess Bingo Operations, was charged in October with the crimes dubbed the Octopus murders because the tentacles of complex conspiracy spread worldwide. Nut now right away, I should say that this piece reinforces a lie told back in news articles in the nineteen eighties when people thought

Jimmy Hughes was a security director, which he wasn't. He was just a security officer. Is sis? Is this guy still around as far as that? I'm okay, I mean I just looked at it present day. Yeah. Yeah. And this this woman Begley Man, she has some balls, I would say, so wow, Yeah, okay, I'm with you. Yeah, I'm all right, we almost done with this one case. By the way, there's two cases today, guys. Two murders, I mean two deaths, are two different whatever, you know what I mean? Two

events? Two events. That's better. That's one and one. Yeah, it's so crazy, Okay, I know now you see where I was going through. I have two more loose ends here to tie two bombs. Maybe. The Desert Sun reported something very interesting in December twenty seventeen. Oh, you're gonna love this. This is so this is recent. Yeah, this is the reason. Oh my god, you're gonna love this is why I feel like I have more information. This is all past ten stuff. This

is the most recent I get. Fifty nine year old Russell Huber of Oroville, California, was sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole for killing a man named Clyde Gregory Hayward on July sixth, nineteen ninety two. Hayward was from Desert Palm, a resort city from Coachella Valley, and was supposed was supposed to meet his girlfriend for a date on July second. His pickup truck was found two weeks later on Highway ninety five with dried blood and

two three eighty shell casings found about one hundred yards from the vehicle. The victims remains were found in a stream bed in Clark County, Nevada, in February nineteen ninety three that long time, but warn't positively identified until May twentieth, twenty fourteen. The NA sorry. The d NA analysis and meticulous forensic work found Russell Huber in front of a jury, which only took three hours

of deliberations to arrive at a guilty verdict. Quote. Hayward's girlfriend, whose name was not disclosed, told detectives at the time that she had turned down a marriage proposal from her employer, John Nichols and believed he was behind her boyfriend's disappearance, but there was no concrete evidence. The prosecution alleged that, after being rejected by the victim's girlfriend, Nichols a range of fake business meeting

with Hayward under the guise of securing golf carts for a development project. Hayward, a golf mechanic who previously had worked for a golf cart distributor, was killed after he showed up to meet with Huber and Peter Boncour A longtime associate of the defendant. According to the District Attorney's office, Russell Huber and this Peter Boncour met in prison in the eighties. As I said before, this

Nichols family, especially John Philip Nichols, God shit done. So what happened to the Nichols I mentioned how his wife Joanne worked in the offices of Cabison Mission Tribe. She was pretty true blue and died working for them of natural causes. John Paul Nichols, the son, is simply retired now. John Nichols, I also mentioned, died in two thousand and one. I believe

it was heart failure. What's interesting is what happened. On July of nineteen eighty five, John Philip Nichols pleaded no contest to two counts of solicitation to commit murder, receiving a four year sentence. This murder for higher scheme went awry because Nichols met with the two supposed hitmen, who turned out to be police informed. Yeah, the two intended victims were residents of Indio, California.

I have no names for there would be victims. By the way, Nichols was sixty at the time and due to ongoing health issues, and the fact that no one was harmed it lessened the prison time. No motives were mentioned by police when they arrested Nichols for the murder solicitations, but they believed they were drug related. This drug angle might have originated from Nichols itself, because he was placed in protective custody in Chino for it and was placed near

the infirmary for health reasons. So they were protecting them for something, or he was protecting himself in advance from prison from the general population exactly. So what do you think of this, these two things? What do you mean? Well, Okay, I'm trying to say while I was saying it, although I'm going to say it now, this motherfucker had Avaice killed Ran. I mean, we it kind of sounds that way. I mean, we

find another headman hitman who brought another headman along, this boncoor guy. After all this, after so many years in the twenty seventeen, right, they find out that these two men in prison and this guy, the victim's girlfriend dated or maybe was being sought after by this Nichols senior guy. Makes it kind of connects too easily that these two headmen could have been the original killers hired by Nicholas back then in eighty one. Well, you got to have

a someone in general or just in general for other things. You know. If they killed this one guy in the eighties, right, yeah, he's worked for me before, let's do it again. Or they've worked for me before, let's do it again. Wow, Okay, interesting? Yep.

Not nice people, no, nice people, no, no, no no. I think that out of the many lessons and takeaways the story brings, one that must not be forgotten is that some choos never stay buried, and that sometimes the conspiracy nuts are proven correct or as correct as history will allow us. As promised, here's the TikTok video of Rachel Begley's daughter, tell me conspiracy that sounds crazy but is true. I'll start the octopus murders.

What's that. Well, in nineteen eighty one, a Cabzon Indian tribal leader named fred Alvarez, a Hell's angel named Ralph Boger, and their friend Patricia Castro were murdered. In nineteen ninety one, there was a reporter named Danny Cassilero. He was looking into the murders of those three. He even started saying he probably had a break in the case and it could implicate people in

the US Justice Department. So naturally, a few days after saying that they found him that of apparent suicide, twelve slashes on his wrist, one deep enough to sever attendant. In two thousand and seven, the Hell's Angel's daughter, she got a little curious and started looking into it too, and she got threats, but she also got enough evidence to actually bring somebody to trial, a trial that got dropped because of undisclosed new information. Why do I

know all this? Ralph Boger's my grandpa, and my mom was the one getting threatened. Now I realized that there's still a lot of information left unexplained on the table, plus the teases of outo left field keywords like the Reagan administration and the fucking Yakuza. I still have another death to cover before we

enter tonight's show. At death Wesh, Princess talks briefly about a journalist that was found dead after looking into the Triple murders in nineteen eighty one, and that he had found some key information the circumstances around his apparent suicide, the book he was working on, and the sources he was amassing is what makes this story too big for one show. Part two will cover the big and small players that I simply could not get into today, which is why this

next segment will interest you but also leave you wanting more. Let's get into it. Whatever the number of sources and publications that talks about the nineteen eighty one Triple murders, there's at least double that amount for this journalist. His name was Joseph Daniel Cassilero. Everyone called him Danny or Daniel. And for this segment, amongst the articles written in the nineties and two thousands, I

will use two opposing books as sources. One is called When Fiction Becomes Fact The Death of Danny Castilero from June of this year, not this year. Second book is titled The Octopus, Secret Government and the Death of Danny Casilero from ninety six. And it's easy to tell which book believes in the conspiracy which doesn't by the titles alone. All right, background on Danny Castilero goes like this. Born in nineteen five seven, Danny came from a big Italian

American Catholic family in McLean, Virginia. McLean rested in northern Virginia in Fairfax County, and his home to people from the military, diplomats, and government official officials due to its close proximity to Washington, d C. The Casteleras are not connected to DC in any way, but since Danny's father was a doctor, the family was stable but not rich, you know, like rich

light maybe rich light. I don't know why I say those things. Danny was seen as gregarious, a womanizer, and enjoyed a drink in his hand. It's safe to say that he frequented the bars of any town he visited. He married a former Miss Virginia named Tarrell Pace, and they had a son together named Trey. After ten years, they divorced and Danny was granted legal custody over Trey. His career has peaks and valleys, but nothing long

lasting or stable. He freelanced as a journalist for different publications here and there, usually political and world news pieces, but Danny also was an amateur boxer. He wrote poetry in short stories, and even wrote a novel titled The Ice King in eighty one, the year of our triple slayings. From the late seventies up to the end of the eighties, Danny Casilero acquired a series

of computer industry trade publications, which he sold. This last bit is useful because when he decided to take up journalism again in the early nineties, his entrance to this Octopus conspiracy was of a computer software scandal with the with the US Department of Justice. Very interesting there. Danny was in the middle of writing a book when he died. It was untitled, and most of the papers were held in his briefcase or an accordion file holder thing, you know,

all those things. It became almost like a characteristic seeing Danny carrying his papers nearly everywhere with him. I'm not going to get into the details, but Danny was trying to find a publisher for his book. He needed the advance and or the resources that the backing of a publishing house could bring for him, but he was not successful. Three pitches, three meetings, and they turned them down. Everything that went into writing the book, Travel Connections

Paperwork was self funded. Sources do not say that the book led to his money troubles, but around the same time, Danny was talking to lawyers about needing to sell the house he lived or he'd lose it due to back taxes. In the past, Danny's supports system. His family did help him with loans, but the house problem was too big to solve at the time of his death. Now, in the days leading to his death, Danny's friends and family were interviewed by US slew of people like local police, FBI journalists,

and others. There is a surprising amount of information of the days leading up to his death, the day of, and the weeks afterward. It is as meticulous of a character study as a big conspiracy legend like Lee Harvey Oswald said that word Lee Harvey Oswald. Okay, I'll give you guys some examples and highlights. I'm not going to tell you everything. Oh, that's another book entirely just on the day to day everyone. They mentioned a lot of names. I'm not gonna get into all it, but I'll give you

highlights and a little bit on each day. On August fifth, nineteen ninety one, Danny spoke to his brother Anthony Casilaro about not being able to get enough sleep lately because of phone calls he'd been getting in the middle of the night. This wasn't a new thing, though Danny had been receiving these interruptive calls for three months prior to his death. Quote. Later that day, and Klank, a friend and journalist, saw Castilero's car parked outside Hunter's Bar

in Oakton, Virginia. Clank went inside and saw Castilero head slumped down sitting at the bar. Cassilero looked terrible. Cassilero looked at Clank and said, in a tone of disgust, I just broke in slaw. Bill Hamilton's going to be real excited. Cassilero then told Clank, you can have the story, and if you don't want it, you can give it to Jack Anderson.

Clink had once worked as a reporter for syndicated columnist Jack Anderson. Cassilero told Clank that he had got just gotten back from West Virginia and that he was going back again. Clank was worried about Casilero. She said that his mood was not one that one would expect of a journalist who had just broken a big story. She ordered a pizza for him, begged him to eat something, and left. Unquote. Tuesday, August sixth, Danny called two

journalists about the Octopus book treatment he'd sent to them for discussion. Here, he mentions to his colleagues that he was leaving to meet an anonymous source that would make a pretty big dent in this conspiracy. To Martinsburg, West Virginia, a neighbor named Olga Mocros. I don't know why I say that way. Olga Mocros was Danny's longtime housekeeper and she helped him pack for his trip.

Olga asked Danny if she should spare his she should prepare, sorry, prepare his home for his son Trey, who was due to visit in about two weeks. Danny Cassilera told her that she wouldn He sorry that he would not see Trey anymore, and then he led her to his basement his basement office, i should say, and showed Olga where he kept his will. This was the last time she saw Danny. Olga told the Village Voice.

This is after, obviously that she answered several threatening calls that day. One of them, for example, was a man that said this is a quote. Now I will cut his body and throw it to the sharks. Shit. On Wednesday, August seventh, Casilero's close drinking buddy friend came to his house for a visit. He described Casilero's mood as exuberant and showed Mason papers in his basement office. Mason recalls seeing a photocopy of a passport of a

young man named Ibrahim. This next bit is mildly important. Mildly important, and the reason I'm bringing it up, and the reason I'm bringing up this photo copy quote. On August twenty ninth, nineteen ninety one, weeks after Danny's death, and on September twenty seventh, nineteen ninety one, the Martinsburg Police received copies of a passport photo of an Arab named Hassan Ali Ibrahim Ali. This may have been this same photograph that Castilero had shown to Ben Mason

in his basement office on Wednesday, August seventh. There is no evidence that Castelero ever met Ibraim, or that Ibraim, whoever he is, had anything to do with Castilero's death. It's odd, but I wanted to mention that connection because his friend saw a photography of a passport. It said, Abraim looked Arab got to this time later he recognizes it, you know, recognized that's such a personal document. Yeah, for someone to have a copy of basement, Yeah, yeah, very weird. I don't have much on that

right now, but it's odd. On Thursday, August eighth, Castilero drove to Martinsburg, West Virginia and checked into the Sheraitan Inn just off of Interstate eighty one. Check in was between noon and one o'clock in the afternoon. He mentioned to the desk clerk that he was late for a meeting, so he'd have to open his room later, which is Room five to seven, and the clerk did notice Danny carrying a beat up black or brown briefcase.

He wasn't sure. Danny headed to the bar at the Stone Crab Inn and mentions to the bartender, Tom Hatches, whom he recognized the year previous working at the Sheraton, ind that he's waiting to meet some Arabs. No one came, so at about one point thirty Danny asked for some change and went outside where a payphone was stationed, but no one saw or heard the call. From here, he goes to Pizza Hut and drinks considerably more than his

food portions, which was a small pizza. Leaving at four pm. Cassilero then heads to Hartsfield's Lounge and the bartender recalls his orders, starting off as bottled beer but switching to draft because it was cheaper. They should tell you a lot about his drinking. There's three different places he's drinking in the afternoon, just saying motherfucker drinks quote Hittrick. The bartender did not see Cassilera talking with any one else that night. However, the bar maid, Kim Waters,

told a different story. The police originally met her by chance when they went to the home of one of the shirts and desk clerks to interview him three days after Cassilero's death. She happened to be at at the desk clerk's home. The police showed her Casilero's photograph. She said she remembered seeing him

at the bar, but could not remember anything else. Later that day, she contacted the police, saying she had not remembered that Cassilero had arrived at the bar at about five ten p m. And that he had sat at a table with another man whom she described as dark skinned, like maybe Iranian or Arabian. Oh Waters recalled that both men were drinking draft beer, and that the Arabian man was drinking very fast and was very insistent that the bar

maids served him quickly. She claims to have served four beers each to Castelero and the other man. She said the other man paid for all the beers in cash. Three days later, Waters helped the police prepare a composite drawing of this Arabian person. No one has been able to determine who this person is was, if indeed there was such a person. Wow, Okay, some plots definitely thickening here, like corn starts on Sunday. I don't know.

I gotta think Dona Rodde Bakers realized I'm a star on Sunday. Yeah, okay. That last part, if indeed there was such a person, is the bias of the author coming out against any actual conspiracy like in play, but I digress does the meeting with the Middle Eastern fellow at Heartfield's heart Heather Sorry, Heatherfields, I said, heart Fields. It's heather Fields Lounge. Be this Ibrahim or related to him in some way? I don't know. Friday, August ninth is the last day Danny Casselera was seen alive.

Danny told the front desk that he'd been staying an additional night. He wasn't originally going to stay the nextra night. It was just supposed to be one night, but he asked for another. Here's where I gotta tease you guys with something juicy, but snatching it back right after. Danny Cassillo had two prime sources, actually fountains of information for his Octopus book. One of them was a man named Bill Hamilton, who's involved neck deep with the inslaw scandal

and the promised software and they had a strong friendship. Bill was worried for Danny on that Friday because there had been days since their last phone call Monday to be exact, and they keep in touch nearly every day. It's kind of cute. Actually, they used to play chess over the phone. Yeah, I love that. It's a real romance. Bill knew of the meeting but not the person, but that it was related to the Octopus and expected him back home earlier. Bill ended up calling Danny's ex and in turn would

wait to hear back from Danny. Obviously, it never happened. From the afternoon, Castelero's whereabouts are mostly known drinking beer here, coffee, or eating something there. At about six pm, he plays a collect call to his mother's house, saying that he might not make his niece's birthday party since he was still in Martinsburg. A little after midnight, Castilero walked across the street to the convenience store for some coffee and made conversation with the clerk and another

witness before returning back to the hotel. The only times that are unaccounted for are between noon and two o'clock and six and nine pm, but he was most likely in the hotel room. That's what people say. That's kind of what I say too, I guess. The next day, Saturday, August tenth, Castilera was supposed to check out at noon, so while at around one o'clock, the maid assigned to the fifth floor went in, noticed the

bathroom door hallway halfway open, saw blood and called for help. Quote Castillaro's nude body was in the bathtub, The water was bloody, the water temperature was cold. The tub was about three to half was about half to three fourths full. Castillarra was sitting with his feet toward the faucet. He was leaning against the side of the tub, his head slumped over the side. His right arm was hanging over the side of the tub, and his right

hand was lying flat on the floor. His left hand was submerged underwater, tucked beneath his left thigh. Both of Castilaro's wrists had cut wounds. The fingernails on the thumb, forefinger, and middle finger of his right hand appeared to have been chewed. Danny's wrist had been deeply slashed three or four on his right wrist and seven or a right on his left wow. Blood was

splattered on the walls and the floor. Next to the bathtub rested the wrapper from the razor blade and a half empty bottle of a Portuguese white wine. An ashtray with three cigarette butts was on top of the toilet tank, as well as a pack of cigarettes among Danny's fingerprints. Another was found on the ashtray, and it has not been identified to this day. Unfortunately, beyond speculation, I have nothing else on this ashtray. There were no signs of

a struggle or fourth entry to the bathroom or hotel room. The rooms adjacent and a cross room five point seventeen were full as part of one party of people in town for a soccer game. They heard nothing unusual throughout the night, and they didn't leave their rooms till morning. His wallet and identification was

found in the room. The police also found a large black cope bag which contained an empty bottle of Vicodin pills, one box of hefty trash bags with two bags missing from the role, an unopened second bottle of the same white wine, one corkscrew, and three packs of cigarettes. I should note here that the vicant empty bottle of Vikadin was the last remnants of his subscription he had from a dental surgery he had the year previous. I see they heard

that later. I didn't write that here. I don't know why. Lastly, illegal pad was found on the nightstand in room five point seventeen. A single page was torn from the pad and it read to those who I love the most, Please forgive me for the worst for the worst possible thing I could have done. Most of all, I'm sorry to my son. I know deep down inside that God will let me in. Oh man, that's sad. Yeah, we don't say yeah, Well, I mean, so

if you killed himself. There's a couple of reasons, I guess right. One is sounds like he was in sort of financial ruin, which is very embarrassing for an adult male. Right it's a bad place to find yourself. Very embarrassing. Uh too, you know he was onto this octopus thing? Did someone kill him and stage the scene? But ThReD and his family you know him, right? Yeah? Yeah? Absolutely? And then of course this uh, this dark skinned fellow, you know, we don't know who

he is and what happened to him? The source, right, the source, Yeah, the Wow, there's a lot going on. There, a lot going on here. You're right. Signs of suicide are parent and no one would think otherwise or anything else upon first hearing the details or walking into the bathroom. Right, this might be the best time to insert another clip. Have you heard of a show called Unsolved Mysteries? You know, I have? I love it? Yeah, I've on't seen a few episodes that

way. It's a TV show that started in nineteen eighty seven and had eleven seasons with different celebrity hosts. Not unlike Twilight Zone, Unsolved Mysteries has had a resurgence lately when Netflix renewed it on their platform. The show focused on real cases of perplexing disappearances, shocking murders, and paranormal encounters, kind of like SOS, the TV show you know, Oh, one could only dream. One could only dream, right? Can you imagine being at a TV

show host? I don't that I could do it? My hair, I forget it. I'm the makeup tone noise. On March tenth, nineteen ninety three, Unsolved Mysteries released their twenty fourth episode of their fifth season. In one of the topics, the first one actually was about Danny Casilero. Let's hear a segment of it. It is edited for time and spoilers. Just a few days before Danny Castilearro died, he told friends that he was on the verge of breaking a huge story. Danny claimed to have proof that some

officials in the US Justice Department were corrupt. Many suspect that Danny's death was not a suicide. They believe that he was murdered because he was the man who knew too much for direct connections with some of the underworld crime figures. Not only Danny Casilo stepped into a world that he didn't belong in, the type of people that he became involved with lae just as a matter of course,

they lie, they cheat. There are people who've been involved in numerous murders, dealing drugs, deal in Halms and Danny Casilo thought he could find his way through this labry by himself. That was a mistake. Then the guys that I've been working with, my contacts, and they're calling me and say, look, Danny, you're getting too close. You're going to get hurt. Back off. A week before he died, Danny told his brother Tony that he had been receiving death threats. I don't recognize your voices.

I don't know where they're coming from. They're just saying you are going to die. I'll tell you this, Solf when I go to Martinsburg. If something happens to me, or if I should get hurt, don't believe it's an accident. Danny arrived in Martinsburg with all of his notes and documents two days before he died. He was scheduled to meet with several informants and complete his investigation. He believed one of these new contacts would deliver key evidence about

the finances of the Octopus. The day before he died, Danny met with William Turner. He was a former employee of a major defense contractor. He has some documentation. Do you have something for me? According to Turner, he gave Danny papers showing the corruption that Danny believed was tied to the octopus, but within twenty four hours, Danny Castilero was dead. There was no sign of Turner's documents or Danny's research papers. To this day, not one

of those papers has been found. The media was all over the story. West Virginia authorities opened the formal investigation and ordered an autopsy. Assistant medical Zamer for the State of West Virginia he said, well, you know, he's already been embalmed, and that's going to make it a little difficult. And I said, what are you talking about. He's already been embombed. And he said, well, he was embombed apparently already. He said, you didn't know that. I said, absolutely not. I said, we didn't

give any permission. I'm now going to cut the sutures to examine the wounds. The autopsy confirmed that Danny had bled to death from the twelve razor cuts, but more importantly, it revealed that Danny wasn't alone in his hotel room during his last moments. There was on The actual autopsy report described a bruise on the arm and a bruise on the head, which were never accounted for.

I was told there were no signs of any struggle. Additionally, the tips of three fingernails were missing from one hand when Danny's hotel room was cleaned the day after. Is that by a professional cleaning crew? Important evidence was destroyed. One of the housekeepers saw two bloody towels in the bathroom minutes after Danny's body was found. It looked like they were used to wipe blood off the bathroom floor. The police reports of the investigation certainly not a professional Fingerprints

get lost, messed up. They drained the tub without austraina sloppy work. Police have a rule in this country, and government people have a rule. When they screw up, they cover up. Said, but true. Do I think they covered up here? Yes? I do. Even Danny's funeral was clouded by mystery. At the funeral, a highly decorated military officer arrived in a limousine near the end of the service. No one recognized him. What did they do? The man carefully placed a medal on the casket just

before was lowered into the ground. And we went back to Francis's house, Danny's mother's house, And I said Francis, who was the military man, and she said, I thought, you know, and we asked everyone there. There had to be fifty people at Francis. No one knew who they were. No one. Sorry if the editing was choppy, but I didn't want to spoil you guys on information that is way too dense, especially in a TV program. If you do watch the episode, just know that there's

two layers deeper that I'll be sharing in part two. According to what I have, the embalming did occur before the family was notified. Martinsburg City paramedic David Brining was asked by Charles Brown, owner of Brown's Funeral home, if the body could be embalmed. Brianing did release the body, and because the death was deemed to be a suicide, no autopsy was necessary. Two mistakes occur from this. The first is that Brown doesn't do a full job of

embalming Danny's body, missing his bladder and liver. The second is that Brining should have made sure that the next of kin was notified first before releasing the body. Under West Virginia law, a deceased body may not be embalmed unless the authorities have first made due inquiry as to the desires of the next of kin. However, it was common practice for funeral homes in Martinsburg to do this when dealing with outsiders, people who didn't live there. This part was

reported heavily and cited as a strange fact that supports conspiracy and murder. I cannot say for sure, people do make mistakes and all, but adding in the revolving evidence of what Danny knew and what we know, and it doesn't look good for just the suicide, you know what I'm saying. I mean,

it certainly raised eyebrows. Yes, yes, for sure when I read that, Like, come on, anyway, I mean, do they even make any attempt to contact Trey for example Danny's no, no, no, I'm about to get into a little bit of that, but no they don't. I mean they do eventually, but not before the embalming. It's my point. You know. The Cassilera family weren't notified of Danny's death until August eleventh. Martinsburg police say it was miscommunication within the officers, but again,

who knows regardless. Upon hearing the news, Anthony Cassilero immediately asked Detective Swarth Swartwood, sorry, who was assigned to Casilero and placed the initial call to perform an autopsy immediately that his brother had warned him that his life might be in danger. There are a couple of conflicting things in the Unsolved Mysteries clip,

though. The first is that the paramedic Brining did find a bruise on Cassilero's arm, but an injury, even a minor one, was not mentioned to the head of the head, so the video says it was a headwe Banara there was no one in her report. The video also talks about how a professional cleaning crew came the next day to rid the room of any evidence. That is not true or at least rubs against with what I read, which is that the room was left undisturbed the rest of Saturday and all day

Sunday. What is odd is that police did not officially seal the room before they left. The hotel manager left the room undisturbed. It was a civilian who kept the room undisturbed, not the authorities. Now, the bloody towels in the bathroom is interesting. Officials said that Danny, in a drunken stupor or and delirium from the loss of blood, saw the blood on the floor and wanted to clean it up, you know, to not make a mistake

or I'm a mess. Sorry. I guess it is possible, but logically it could mean that someone was there or came afterward and cleaned the bloody footprint they made in the bathroom. With the other mistakes Martinsburg police made, it is just as likely that evidence of struggle or suspicious activities were found in room five point seventeen, but the trampling done by authorities caused them to cover it up to avoid shame and repercussion. M hmm. There's a lot more to

talk about, but we are nearing the end here. But what do you think of that so far? Why would they leave the room unsealed? Do they want someone to walk in there and screw screw the crime scene? Well, it's obvious that they thought it was a simple suicide, but still I don't know how that works with I don't know how procedure works in that sense, but either way, they should probably keep away anyone that might come in. Right, it's still bloody and shed, absolutely right, and then a

bruise to the head. Yeah, so right, So the edit magic of editing, You didn't actually hear the clip. Everyone else did. But on the clip in the Unsolved Mysteries they say that two bruises were found on Danny's body that the brother was not aware of. You know, he was only aware of the slashes to his wrists, right, But one bruise was on his arm, upper arm, and then the other supposedly his head. That's what the Unsolved Mysteries clip says. That is not true with what I read.

The paramedic brinding found the bruise on the arm, sure, but not the head. So community the differences like where they embellished something? Okay, at least what I could find. The other one being the towels maybe, but I want to mention as much of the details as I can, at least the weird ones. And yeah, use towles clean up bloody footprint. Right, that was all my theory right there, But yeah, still that could be that. Wow, where am I fuck hold on? Okay?

Here's two more things that the clip talks about are Bill Turner and the military presence at Danny's funeral. The Bill Turner element is a cog in a bigger discussion, and I honestly don't know if he and Danny met on August ninth, nineteen ninety one. As he said, either way, his role in the Octopus conspiracy is more than just a meeting. The fun thing about the military officer that no relative or friend of Danny's recognized is that I do not

yet know what that's about. I'm still very much reading and discovering new things each day, but I'll try to get to the bottom of it. Maybe just one of his sources or something could be. But we don't know why he had a home general looking guy. You know, we don't know anything about him so far. I don't yet. Yeah. One thing that I haven't mentioned, and this is kind of important, and I'm surprised you haven't thought of it. You know what's missing the hotel room. I don't Keith,

no, his work, his papers, where's his briefcase? I mentioned everything that was found in the room that was not one of them. Oh Oh shit, there you go. What you'd say about that? Sorry, I'm sleeping on the job. Yeah, because you mentioned how everyone always talks about how characteristic. Yes, yes, his beat up brown or black m briefcase which was at the restaurants, right bartender seen it and everything? Yeah, keep it in his car sometimes when he drank. But they searched his

car and they found nothing. Nothing like that. Well, that's as volumes right there. It's still missing, by the way, it's gone. Really it's gone. It's connected to the octopus. Then, I mean, there's the evidence right there. Yeah. I really wanted to say it to the very end. I'm at the last paragraph here, but yeah, well think his his wallet was left there. Nothing, He's were there too, That's why they found the car, and like, everything looks fine in the car,

but they didn't find the fucking briefcase. But the briefcase. Wow, well played, accordion of files. Nothing. I like the way you set that up. Well played, Thank you. I want to put that in there for sure. So that's a big that's one of the big conspiracy hold lots, like, hey, what about the fucking papers? You know? Anyway, In the meantime, know that I am supremely confident that even a veteran skeptic of conspiracies will raise their eyebrows when I'm done with all of this.

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won't you? For the Octopus conspiracy? Cool? Because others this thing will be a hot box. Do you have a Do you have windows in that room? Yeah? Yeah, well obviously is sticking out of a window, but the windows. Oh it's a window unit. Oh, I'm surprised I can hear it right that. Yeah, that's why I thought you thought I meant central area. No, no, yeah, I mean if I put this thing, yeah, I don't think I could hear it. Oh yeah, then now I could hear a little bit. Even at that point.

It's just very faint. It's cool. I'm surprised. I'm I'm happier I could keep it on. Oh, I'm doing something from the plast from the past. So you know, I told you I've been listened to our previous episodes. One of them we talked about how well there was a there was a bit of episodes there in a row where I will come to your house. This is before COVID obviously, and we record there and you would obviously serve me some drink, and one of them was UV blue and Fanta.

So guess what I got? No way, mm hmm. That episode reminded me, so I to re stock last week or week before I got the UV Blue. Yeah, i'man drinking in here and there. Cool, I don't have any I don't have any UV Blue. I have to get some. Yeah, gotta get some. Yeah, that that's a yeah. We're listening to our episodes has really helped me out here on some stuff. Cool, like like what I know some ideas that you were listening last time? Oh yeah, that that means that's I guess that's what I mean.

The UV Blue is probably like a weird example compared to others. But all right, do you want to do I assume both back to back this one in Patreon? Yeah, what do you wanna or do you wanna? Okay, well, do you want to see where we are after the main one? Yeah? Okay, that's because we have until technically Wednesday, right for Patreon Tuesday Tuesday, it's right, because we're not do anything on the first of the next month, on the end of this month. Yeah, so

if anything tomorrow, I don't know what you're up to. Uh, just I mean I'm out how many well, how many pages is this first episode here? Oh? Thirty four? Shit? Shit? If I what, I don't know if I'll be it's already eleven almost eleven thirty. I don't know if I could do because tomorrow is a workday. I do have beats also, where like you might want to ask questions and shit or whatever. But yeah, thirty four And honestly it might be the shortest one if I

make two more parts. So I think I'm gonna break one hundred pages total. I was saying, what might break one hundred pages? You have no idea what there is out there? So what's up? Oh that's something I'm gonna have to mention and I'm gonna have to work that in there somehow, that this topic overall might break one hundred page script right and m okay,

like part two again. I mean I haven't just done this thing. I mean I literally finished this part one last night, and I think I'm gonna have to like wing the very end a little because I think I just wrote it. I was like five am. This is five am. But after six ye, I don't remember anymore. I was like trying getting to go

to sleep, but I can't wait till the market. I'm recording, right, I have to work, so I'm like I'm running and I'm just put his fucking ending whatever ended, and I'm like thinking doing work, like I should probably figure out how juice your ending there. So all right, let's see, let's see how this goes. All right, waiting for the countdown, You got the vapors, right, You're good. I went and I reached over to my mouth to like press stop because I've been recording with I'm

like, wait, I'm must stop this. Oh no, I'll rolling right. I'm like, what the what am I doing? Jesus hold yourself? Are you rust at doing the s O show? Yeah? You know, one thing I realized with doing this, this particular Octopus show, is that I'm really better reading. Takes me so long to read you mean read the script that you write or no, no, no resources, read the sources I see. I see. Also, fascinatingly, I that's the right word. I never you know, I always kind of like I tend to for

all of our previous shows. I think almost it's not a one hundred percent, nearly a hundred percent of all of our previous shows that I've ever done research for, I always start with Wikipedia and I go from there, you know, I find whatever they have sourced, and then go from there. And the need to build levels deep as you can. Yeah, this one opposite. I never even touched Wikipedia only to find some background informal town, like just basic info on the on a county and a town. Never even

looked at the Wikipedia. That's how much shit. I didn't need it anything. It's cool. Yeah, that is wild man, didn't even need it. That blew my mind that two days ago when I realized, I'm like, like, that's true, shit, because you're you're so right. I mean, usually of the place to start, Yeah, it really is. It gets kind of the juices flown. It gives you real good high level information, and then, like you said, you branch out from there and

go deeper and deeper. But to not have to do that, that's great, m And I even realize you didn't have to do it. Yeah, because I started with the books. That's why. Probably is it Okay, is it okay for me to mention, you know, I'll come up with something to say. But the octopus murders, Yeah, that's what it's called. I mean, no, mean, I have a whole intro that intro said, you know, you know, I'm just talking dramatic about it. So there's a little flare in the beginning, not much at the end because

like I said, I wrote it very fast at the end. But otherwise, yeah, I really I should try to hit I had this whole theory in my head about this whole thought process in my head of like showing how you know, these people ain't no angels, including Danny Kesseler. He had problems, So I hope I did a good job of portraying the you know, he had problems and issues. It could still be suicide. It could also very much not likely. It's like equal parts both, you know.

Yeah, but I mean I think anyone would lean towards most likely conspiracy. I mean, I can my theory honestly on this is that honestly is that he was threatened, convincingly threatened, either in person or through the phone, to commit suicide to save his family, save his probably his kid, let's say, and and then someone came in check to make sure it was done, cleaned the footprint, took the papers, and left one hundred percent.

That's had to have That's what happened. That's very good. That's what I think happened. I think he really did commit suicide in the video. Again you have you have seen the unsolved mysteries yet, But in the video they mentioned and the other sources mentioned this too, that one of the cuts on his left fist was so deep that it cut at tendon. I didn't mention

it, even though it's meant and other sources. One because I forgot, but two it's because I don't think I would have mentioned it, or I would have said it just to dismiss it, because it's not set in the reports and the and the parameters start to support the autopsy they did after the embombing, which led to nowhere. Because the embombing gets what can clear out all toxics of anything in there anyway, it fucks up the autopsy. There's

no results. The bombing fucked everything up. That's why I made him sure. I put it there because the brother wanted the autopsy right immediately. But it was embombed already. All the upetance is fucked up. What can you get out of it except for a surface level shit that and nothing would deliver the no. No. But it was common practice for West Virginia to do that with outsider but they were but they weren't supposed to do that until the

next of kin was notified. They skipped that step. It was still a step they skipped, but it was still common practice to do that. Yeah, very weird. It is weird. Sh