the saying that we have in the military is the best command you're ever going to serve at is the one you just left or the one you're going to next, right? It's never where you are, right? And they probably say something similar in the fire department, in the police department, right? The best place you're ever going to work is the place you just left or the place you're going to because we never take the time to appreciate where we are.
And we don't think about that in terms of food, but I'm telling you, enjoy where you're at at 2250 and you can fit that, you know, extra burrito shell in. Or enjoy it at 1450 where you're really seeing what you can get after. Like, whatever place you are right now calorie wise, take the time, you know, one day to just sit down and appreciate the miracle that is your body. Not only surviving, but thriving at whatever that number is for you.
Welcome to the Superhuman Father's Transformation Podcast. If you're listening to this, you're about to witness some of the most incredible transformations that have ever happened on the planet, and just by listening to this, you will be inspired to have your own transformation.
If you're listening to this for the first time, or you're one of the brothers in the brotherhood, go leave a review on the podcast and let the brother or member know how amazing they did and how incredible their transformation was. I'm Kyle Carnahan, founder of Superhuman Fathers, and not only am I gonna change your life, I'm gonna get you ripped as fuck.
Okay, guys. I love stacking non negotiables. Well, so we're bringing, we're reading the power of one more, right? And like, there's a portion where I can't remember exactly, but he mentioned like faith and moving mountains and like, dude, it's the non negotiables, bro. That's your faith right there. Just one chip at the mountain, one little, you know, One little axe, one little hammer. Chippin away, chippin away, this is why faith moves mountains.
Look, you guys, I think you saw the picture, you've seen the post of Michael Davis. And, I mean, that's what he's done, it's a miracle. You guys, we have the ability, and this isn't only in fitness and nutrition. We have the ability. To move mountains in whatever aspects of our lives. If we're just willing to listen to our conscience, identify the non negotiable that's associated, whatever mountain we need to destroy or, or raise whatever, right? Like once you know that.
You just make it non negotiable, no matter what, no matter how you feel, no matter how tired, no matter how hungry, how sad, how, you know, this is, Kyle's, if you guys didn't go see Kyle's story, right now, if you want some fire, you need to go see it, so, I just walked in, I had a pretty intense day with the kids, made some phone calls, And, uh, I'm wrestling with the kiddos, and like, I'm kind of pulling like a, like a fast one, like, the kids are with me, which you can do this, but I'm not
in my, a good headspace, I'm like, like, just, I'm kind of falling asleep, like, like, I'm ignoring them, but I'm with them, and, uh, And, uh, I got on my phone to post the Zoom and I checked my Instagram and Kyle's like this whole thing about being a dad who's, like, lethargic and I just, I shot up out of bed and I was like, let's go! It's so good. It's just, you guys, like, you just gotta manifest it. There is so much negativity. There is way more negativity
around us. Like,
it's everywhere, everywhere, so you, you have to be the light, it's going to surround you, you're going to come up with every excuse in the book to not move your mountain, like you're tired, you're hungry, you don't like doing it, it's uncomfortable, it's uh, it's inconvenient. Like what like going to a restaurant you have to like bring a scale if you really want to hit it or or you Have to look at the menu before you go. Yeah inconvenient dude.
Look at Michael Davis Freaking miracle and we're about to talk to him I have some questions that I that I want to ask and I'm gonna let you guys ask questions to end to um And, you know, I'm not putting pressure on Michael to provide, he doesn't need it. He says that man, he is gonna give good answers just 'cause he is living it. So this guy did it and he had some plateaus and he had some moments where he was questioned the, the, the fake him or the resistance showed up.
So I wanna find out how he was able to overcome that. So, Without further ado, um, Michael, I think we'll just start by you introducing yourself slightly, like, you know, age, are you married, do you have kids, and what interested you in the program in the first place? We'll just start right there. Alright,
so, I know most of you guys, uh, shout out to Marley for taking a poop though, I did hear that, good stuff. Ha ha ha! But, uh, so my name is Mike Davis, uh, for those of you guys who might not know me. Uh, I am married. Uh, Dania, she's awesome. Uh, we put together her macros today, so I'm pretty excited about that. Let's go! We do have three kids. Our second one just went to college, uh, Tuesday, uh, up in New York.
Uh, I am 42 years old and, uh, I got interested in the program because, well, I mean, I, I found Cal's Facebook post, but what got me thinking about it was, I got out of the shower and I caught a glimpse of myself in the mirror and I thought there was a fat naked man in my bathroom and I Like, that's no shit. Like, I, like, was shaking. Like, I had adrenaline. Like, I thought I was fighting. And I, I walked into my living room naked, and I told my wife, I said, something's gotta change.
I, uh, I, I just thought there was a fat intruder in my home a minute ago, naked, and, uh, it was me. And so, like, three days later, I saw Kyle's post, and, you know, you guys have all talked to Kyle. I talked to Kyle, and I was like, well, yeah. Why wouldn't I do this? This guy's amazing. So that's kind of how I got here.
I love, I love this story. It's one of my favorites that I've heard. I share it with everybody, but, um, and I think we should just go right out of the, out the gates. You know, I obviously there was, life was different before Superhuman Fathers. Um, you started the program and. What did you notice? How did, uh, well, first off, let us know your wins. Like how much, how long has it been? How much weight did you lose? How do you feel right now? So I think we're at
eight months and some days now. Um, I lost a total of 53 pounds. Uh, but more than that, really, I lost a bunch of body fat, right? I, um, When I was a young man, I was physically active. I was active duty. Um, at one point I was actually a fitness leader. Uh, then I got injured and I quickly became much less active. And I did try through the years to stay active. I had some spurts, but, um, you know, I had some pretty decent size injuries.
Um, you know, I broke my hip and got some back stuff and some neck stuff. And so, Uh, I just slowly kind of let myself get a little bit fluffy, and then COVID happened, and uh, chocolate ice cream is delicious, and um, but I've thrown the fat back in. So, um, I just, uh, one of the things that I noticed right away, one of my very first wins was, You know, I talked to Kyle, I think, on the 26th, 27th of December, and I started this on New Year's Eve.
And while I was doing it, like, my wife makes this delicious chicken dip, right, for like New Year's Eve. Like, I'm like, what kind of idiot starts this on the 31st, right?
But I realized I've always tried to be a little bit different and I figured everybody else does this on the first so I'm going to do it tonight and then, you know, when I was eating two tablespoons and counting out 11, um, Tostitos or whatever they were, right, I realized I could do it because I did it on New Year's Eve and, you know, there was champagne and yada, yada, yada, and so that was my very first win, uh, really. Well, the first win really was saying yes.
You know, but, um, the first win in the program was that, that very first day I was, I was pretty proud of myself.
Um, I remember that first share. I still, I still, I still remember that first share, the first zoom call when you, when you told us that win, man. That's amazing. So, okay. Um, when you look at before you started Superhuman Fathers and since you, since you started, what's the largest impact it's had on, on your
life? Consistency, like my wife and I run our own business and we've always been pretty, I mean, pretty good at it, you know, cause we like people and we're hard workers, but what's been lacking for many, many years is consistency. You and Kyle say this all the time, but if you can be consistent in your food, you can be, and you can be consistent in your workouts. You can be consistent in your work, you know, you can be consistent with your kids.
And so over the last, seven months, I would say I didn't start right out the gate, but, um, you know, my business has flourished more because I've done more consistent work. Um, you know, so I think that's one of the biggest impacts it's had. Honestly, for me, the biggest impact I think thus far has been, uh, my relationship with my wife is better. And I think a lot of it has to do with, you know, the Saturday morning Zooms.
Like I, Like, she's here now, I think, I think she's on here, I think I saw her name, yeah, so, uh, my wife has been a huge support for me, but I think we're talking more, we're communicating better, uh, I, I had some anger stuff, um, pretty serious anger stuff at one point, like, you gotta go get help or you're gonna be by yourself. Kind of anger stuff. And, you know, still I'm still an idiot, right? I still screw up and I still lose my temper, but it's not like it was before.
And I think in the last six or seven months, I have sincerely apologized more times than I ever had in my life. Um, because up until that point, apparently I was never wrong. So there was no reason for me to apologize. But, um, I think really for me, it's my relationship with my wife has been the biggest impact. Why do you think that is? Cause I have been more consistent. Right.
I've been more consistent in listening to how she feels, more consistent in, uh, checking my emotions, uh, you know, cause emotions, they don't, they don't help anything. Emotions are good for falling in love, but that's it, right? Otherwise, you know, if you react emotionally, then you just, it's, it's wrong. It's the wrong answer. So I've been more consistent in really trying every day to be the husband she deserves.
You mentioned that you're apologizing more to your wife than you used to. Yeah. What's, what, what causes that?
My conscience. I realize now that, um, you know, I am fallible, right? I mean, I realized it before, but before I was too prideful. So now that I got rid of the pride. Now I can say, oh yeah, that was my fault, right? It was, that's on me. Sorry about that. And I, and I catch it quick too. That's, that's the other thing, right? Cause it used to be a big blow up, emotional, say a bunch of crap, you know, Oh, don't you remember that time? 13 years ago, you did this, like all the old stuff, right?
The fights and the, I know how to push your buttons and you know, um, and I don't do that anymore. So the, so the argument or the disagreement is much faster. Um, and I can walk away at five minutes later and realize that I was a jackass and come back and.
You mentioned that, like, look at you right now, okay? And before, like, you look, what you've accomplished is insane. And there should, there should be pride. Right now, but you thought you were infallible before and yet you look at yourself now and you find yourself more humble. It's really interesting. What, what, I guess I'm trying to dig deeper. Like what, what are the, what's causing this?
So, I think it's Wayne Geyer that said, you know, the people that, that need everybody's approval get the least and the people that don't need people's approval get the most of it, right? Because. The people that deserve the approval are the people that don't need it because they're living their lives in a disciplined fashion. So for me, I, I think pride has hurt me in my life and I've just come to recognize that.
And so I guess for me on a daily basis, like if I'm going to count my calories, I'm going to count my fats, I'm going to count my carbs. Like, I love this chick. I've been married two other times, right? Like if Denny and I didn't work out, I'm done. I'll be in the woods. No one's going to see me again. Like I, And so for me, why, why wouldn't I take the time to count my words? You know, to count my reactions, to count my feelings.
And so, because, you know, whatever, the fats and the carbs, that matters for this, right? We want abs and we want to look jacked. But that's cool, but, do we have any kids on here? I mean, being jacked doesn't help you if you're, if you're using Mr. Handy every night because a woman can't stand you because you're a jackass. You know what I mean? Like, the more important thing is that my wife, that I love, that I... You know, would do anything for everybody says that, right?
We say, I do anything for my wife. But would you like most people that you know that are walking around out there? They're not doing anything for their wife. They're doing whatever the hell they want and then doing just enough for their wife to get laid, you know, like if you do anything for your wife, then you would put down the potato chips and go to the gym. If you do anything for your wife, you would do the dishes at midnight. If you, you know what I mean? So I just stopped lying to myself.
I guess. And I just realized like I could do better
than this. That was one of those powerful things I've ever heard. You see the authority, the authority, you have no idea when you're living it. You have no idea how powerful your words are. This is incredible. I brought tears to my eyes, man. Thank you for your example. And I've experienced something very similar, similar in my life. And I just, I can't express the gratitude when you share stuff, stuff like this, because it's so important.
Now in, in this program, was there anything, and this may have been what surprised you, but was there anything in this program, a benefit to it, an insight that was absolutely surprising? Like where you, you know, you had no idea that was going to
happen. Well, I, I think there's been a couple for me, actually. I think one of them is I was resigned to the fact that I was where I was, like, I was the guy that was now saying, well, I am in my forties, uh, you know, well, I did break my hip, you know, well, the doctor did say. You know, I'd never be that again. So why bother? Right. And so I let myself become that guy. And, um, I guess I, I have been a little bit surprised by my ability to not be that guy.
Although, uh, you know, I was sharing with you last night. If we, if we let it go too far, then you always get humbled. So I want to tell this story because I think it's kind of funny. So my wife in an overabundance of caution, maybe go to the ER yesterday because I couldn't turn my head and you can't really tell now, but this is all real swollen. And, um, so she made me go to the hospital.
So I go to the hospital, I sit there for like four hours, and I have this doctor, and this dude is so funny, right? He, um, he's got a very, very thick Chinese accent. It's very hard for me to understand. So he says, um, you look young, you look big and strong, except you forgot and you left yourself with a little baby bird neck. And you pulled your neck muscle, you know, and I was like, I was like shit. So I texted Ryan. I was like, I guess when this is better, I gotta come up with a neck day.
You know, I gotta do a day of just neck. Um, but it was really funny. And I, you know, Dan is like, Oh, he's just jealous. I'm like, I almost pissed my pants. It was really funny. Um, but I guess. For me in seriousness, I think it's, I've been surprised that I've been able to do the things I've been able to do, because for so many years, people told me I couldn't do them anymore, even though I always wanted to be the guy that said I'm going to do it anyway.
Cause that's really what I do now is I take that list of all the things that they tell me I can't do. And I plan when I'm going to do them, you know what I mean? So that's what I'm doing now. And I'm like, Oh, cool. I'll never do that. That's neat. I'll do that in six months, you know? And so that's been surprising to me, but what's really, really surprised me the most is our 18 year old. Kennedy. Um, and I, and I did share with some of this group.
So Kennedy came out to us as gay many, many years ago, and then recently came out as trans. And, um, Kennedy has always had very strong opinions. She is very, very, he is very, very, um, you know, whatever he's 18 years old, right? So he knows everything, but, but it's more than that, really. He has always tried to take all of the world's problems on his shoulders. Like he, wants to be the voice for every single cause on the planet. And so body positivity has been a big issue for him.
Like he wants people to love themselves, right? So this doesn't necessarily line up with that because Like if I'm a big fat bastard, like, and I'm unhealthy, then I'm not doing the right thing for my family. It doesn't mean I don't love myself. And I did have that conversation. I said, look, you can love yourself and still want to be better.
But over the course of this program, Kennedy has become so supportive at the very beginning, seriously, and Danica attested this for the first three or four weeks of this program. I didn't weigh food in front of Kennedy. I didn't do any of that stuff in front of Kennedy because I really didn't know how he was going to react because he was super like against crash diets and fad dieting and all that stuff.
And then slowly what happened was if you guys remember my father, um, got rushed to the hospital so I got in a car and I was driving to Pennsylvania. And I, I was putting a quick bag together and I came out into the living room and Danny is there and my oldest daughter Grace was in our house at the time and Kenny was there and they were counting out pretzels in the bags for me. They were weighing beef jerky and put it in individual bags and Kennedy was involved.
And that's when I realized that Kennedy had bought in. And so now Kennedy has a different view on body positivity. Like Kennedy's very proud of me and doesn't say, Oh, well, you know, you shouldn't be so hard on yourself like it made a shift for him and that I think that was probably the thing that surprised me the most.
Wow. I love, I love this so much, man. Thank you. Okay. Um, in your, what do you think, for someone who's coming. New to the program. Or maybe I can ask it this way. What was the hardest thing that you experienced during this program? And how did you overcome it? So
my answer is probably going to be like this. Because a lot of guys seem to have problems with their food dialed in. It didn't matter to me. And I don't know if that was, you know, I know we got some cops and some firefighters on here and some military guys. And like, some other guys too that have the kind of job where you just like, if you give me a task, I can do that. Food was not really the problem for me. Like I said, I dowed my food in that first day.
For me, the biggest problem was Uh, being patient with myself and trust in the process because I lost like 28 pounds in like four, five weeks and then it slowed down drastically. And, um, then I sat at like 35 pounds and I got COVID and I was in bed for a week being mad the whole time. I'm like, Oh, can I go to the gym or whatever? But, um, and then it was slower, right? Cause I, I've been here for a while now and it was a pound here, half a pound there.
And I don't think I had my first calorie drop until April or the very beginning of May. Um, so I had been here for several months, so the first couple of weeks, you know, out the gate, it was good, although I wish I had worked out more, a little bit in the beginning, but for me, the biggest problem was, not the biggest problem, but the biggest challenge was, Looking at the scale once a week and being mad because I didn't see it and it was happening anyway, right?
My clothes were changing but I wasn't paying attention to that because I had gotten to the point and if anybody here is new Go buy some jeans because sometimes if we get fat we start wearing like gym shorts Joggers and like sweatshirts, right? So you can't tell that you're getting skinnier while you're wearing sweatpants.
You just you can't do it Doesn't matter the same sweatpants And so, um, once I realized that my clothes were changing, that helped me a little bit, but I was frustrated, you know, and there, there weren't really many days where I, I, there weren't days that I didn't hit my food, but there were several days where I was like, you know, Ryan doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about. Like, I don't even know why, you know what I mean?
Like, I don't know why I'm doing this, you know, but I'm doing it because I said I was going to do it. But by that point, honestly, to your credit and to Kyle's credit, you guys had given me so much time and love that even if I had wanted to quit, I wouldn't have quit that day.
Because, you know, and I think I told Congress the very first time we talked, my goal in my business is always to pour enough of myself into people that the day they want to quit on themselves, they don't quit because they don't want to give up on me. And you guys really provided that for me.
So, on those days, I was like, you know what, Ryan probably just licked a banana, like, his numbers are perfect, you know, and, you know, sat on a carrot or whatever, like, he gets perfect macros every time. I don't, you know, I don't know how he does it, but, so, I can eat this, you know, bowl of quinoa wheat and be fine. Hey, I'm going to say something real quick, Mike.
Let me tell you guys, Mike reached out to us a ton, and he built a relationship with us, we can't babysit you, we're here, so reach out, text us, message us, get to know us. We have 300 and some guys, but guess what? We're always here. So the onus is on you. We will reach out and follow up weekly, bi weekly, for sure. But if you disappear and we don't hear from you, that's on you. We're not going to save you. We're not going to save you. We will do our best, but build a relationship with us.
We are here. We are
waiting for you. Michael, how many times have I called you? Or like texted you out of the blue. Maybe zero. Maybe zero. I'll tell ya,
I... But when I reach out, it's five minutes. And it's not even always about this. I was asking Kyle about Instagram stuff. And I was, you know, it's just... And I don't think he's on here. Do we have like new, new guys in here that have been here for like two weeks? I'm sure. So if anybody doesn't know this yet, this group of guys, this is the most incredible collection of men that I've ever had the fortune of being around. And I've been around some pretty awesome people.
I, uh, you know, I, I did, I spent 21 months in Iraq, you know, and there were some pretty great people there from several different countries. You know, I was active duty for a long time and there's a couple of those people that I can call right now and they would be on a plane, but it's, as a collection of men goes, this is one of the most powerful you will ever find. Grace, our oldest daughter, snapped her ankle in, you know, three places a couple months back. She was in excruciating pain.
I could not get her out of pain. Danny couldn't get her out of pain. We tried her surgeon's office for hours. Nobody called us back. I put something in the chat, and I believe it was Seth. I mean, within five minutes, he was on vacation with his family, but he stepped away from his vacation to be on the phone with us and our daughter for 30 minutes. To get her out of pain. And we've never met. Like, that's the power of a group of men that are doing what they say they're going to do.
That are being the people that they are designing their lives to be. So, it has been so incredible for me. And my wife, all the time, is blown away. Like, I'll put my workout up and there's always a thumbs up for her. You're awesome. You know what I mean? Like Ryan is always reengaging. If you engage and you do the work and Kyle too, you know, but if you, I can't say enough about you too. I am so proud to be a part of this. And, um, you know, I don't really know.
I'd probably be 225 by now, you know? So thank
you. And now you're, you're dropping pounds in the sense that all these people that see you that were inspired by your transformation. Now it's, it's infinite, bro. They're just, there's going to be so many humans. So, okay. I'm not done though. This is the Michael show. I got more, I got more questions. So, okay. You talked about moments of difficulty, but there was also a moment of commitment and a moment of confidence. So how can, should I phrase this question?
Maybe I could say, how long did it take for you to pull confidence from the new way that you were living and when did the switch flip? And maybe even how did you flip it? You know, is there a moment? Was there a moment of trust? What was it that flipped the switch? And how long did it take you to feel confidence from this new way you were living?
I think I felt confident in my ability to hit my numbers pretty quickly. I mean, that was pretty quick for me. The, the, when did I believe that I would have abs again? When did I believe that I would be, uh, jogging on a two mile hiking trail? Uh, that was a couple of months in for me. And I don't know that it was a specific moment. I think it was a collection, right? I think, you know, just like most things in life, it's not very often one single thing.
It's, it's a bunch of little things that lead up to a thing maybe. But for me, I think the confidence in my ability to do it, I think there's my pride. I was like, of course I could do it. Right. But I think a lot of it too, when I, when I wasn't confident it, I felt confident. 'cause I saw all these other guys doing it, you know, Riley and all these guys that were monsters, you know, and I said, well, these guys are doing it.
And that guy's like Canadian, they're like super nice and like you know what I mean? They're Canadian, dude. I, you know, uh, and I'm joking. I don't think Riley's on here, but the, the, the food part was easy for me. The getting to the gym part, it took me a couple weeks to get to the gym. Part of it, I think I was scared.
Um, to be completely honest, I think I was scared that I was going to go into the gym and either hurt myself or be too embarrassed to ask for help because it had been a while and I had to, and, and ultimately, again, I had a couple injuries and I reached, I think we were on a zoom and you and Kyle were like, Oh, we'll do this instead, you know, and it was super helpful. But again, you know, fear. Fear's a weird thing, right?
Everybody, there's all these different acronyms, but for me, the one I use is fear is false evidence appearing real, right? We, we get this thing in our head and we're like, Oh, it's going to be like this. If I go to the gym, this and this and this are going to happen. And it's always way worse than what really happens. What happened was I went to the gym and I lifted weights. I said, Oh, that wasn't so bad.
And, um, but for the two or three weeks prior, I was amping it up in my head and it was so much easier than what I made it out to be in my head. So I don't, I don't know about a moment. I don't know if that answers your question.
Yeah. I want to dig a little bit deeper. Do you, you feel overall a more confident man, I would imagine.
Oh, absolutely. But, but it's not, it doesn't have anything to do with it. Like it doesn't have anything to do with this. Like, yeah,
this is where I want to go. Okay. Preach. I'm ready to listen. And so
you got this, right? And then I'm looking at Kyle is leaning over his thing. I'm like, well, shit, I don't have nothing yet. You know what I mean? If I
lift my
arms, my boob muscles still disappear. You know what I mean? My pecs are only there if my arms are down, you know what I mean? I'm not, I'm not the cow's level yet. So it has nothing to do with that. What it has to do with for me is. I know that I, I'm going to do whatever I say I'm going to do it. I, I believe I can depend on me again. So before, and anybody in my family, anybody in my circle would tell you that Mike was the most dependable guy they knew because I always showed up.
Right, you have a flat tire at 2 o'clock in the morning, somehow Mike's there, for some reason Mike always ended up paying for it, you know, but I wasn't there for me, you know what I mean, Fat Mike was there and he was changing the tire or whatever, maybe we'll grab a beer and a pizza and talk about it, but I wasn't there for me, and so now I realize that I am dependable. I can depend on myself.
And that's where the confidence comes from, because there are not many, it's a weird thing for all of us, right? We got this, you know, they talk about imposter syndrome and all this stuff, right? And, uh, I guess the best example I can give is in my business, we talk to all kinds of people, right? And somebody says, well, I don't want to talk to that guy. He's a doctor, right? That doctor is no better than you. He's just a dude, you know what I mean? he did.
And I said, well, if that's the case, then how many of these people have been shot at? You know what I mean? Like Like, whatever, like, I got it, right? I'm good. So, I've never really had that problem where I'm like, Oh, that guy's better than me. The problem I had was, that guy does what he says he's gonna do, and I know I don't. Whether it's subconscious or not. I wasn't dependable. That guy looks pretty dependable. And that was more intimidating to me than your degree, or whatever.
You know what I mean? And like, Kyle, if I would have seen Kyle before, Seven, eight months ago. I, you know, I would've said the same thing. Well, yeah, it's, it's a lot of work, you know, but he's probably just coasting now, you know? 'cause I didn't know Kyle, you know, probably just coasting now, you know? Uh, you know, and you make up excuses.
I made up all the excuses, just like I think I shared one time, you know, in our business, I, I would say, oh, of course that guy's, Tony's got no kids, right? Him and his wife. They're just two hot young people, they got no kids, they're probably working 12 hours a day, of course they're crushing it, right? Well then our kids got older, and I said, well shit, of course, of course we're not crushing it, we don't have moms and stuff at soccer anymore.
If only we had the kids a little, we'd still be at the baseball game or whatever to talk to the parents. So it's whatever it is, you can make an excuse, or you can just work with what you got. And the only way to really work with what you got is to be dependable for yourself. You know, and so that's where my confidence comes from. There's nobody going to tell me.
And I'll tell you the other thing for me is my wife, again, I keep bragging on my wife, but like today we had to go to North Carolina and her sisters were on our way home. She's like, Oh, we got to go to the gym. You know, like my wife is really like, she's coming along now. Like she downloaded my fitness challenge. She's counting macros. And, you know, and again, my wife's always been awesome. But again, she's got a fell back surgery for many years. She let those physical limitations.
Stop her from trying. And now, you know, she's unstoppable too. And, uh, and that's where my confidence comes from because my kids are now seeing it, you know, the 22 year old crushing it, right? She's got, although she came here the other day, she's supposed to be non weight bearing for another week. And she walked into my front door and I said, what the hell are you doing? And she's like, I've been testing it out, you know? So, but, you know, the doctor says it's great. It looks great.
She is supposed to be off for one more week, but she's killing it. You know, and so my whole family is becoming unstoppable because I got off my ass and that's where the confidence comes from.
Wow. The statement for a man, and I've experienced this as well. I know I'm going to do what I say I'm going to do. To actually not just say that, to know that's so powerful because it makes it sacred. Do you find yourself, Michael, maybe a little more careful about what you exaggerate on or what you say you're going to do because it holds you to your word or other way around. Do you just freaking, I said it, I'm going to freaking crush
it. Maybe it's, it's, it's a function of I work for myself, so I don't have to have a lot of daily interactions with other people where. I could accidentally over promise myself. Um, but I, but I definitely could see that being a problem. Like, so I, I've always been pretty careful in that, 'cause I've never been the guy to let other people down. So the difference is now I just have to make sure there's room for me to get my stuff or, 'cause it's for you, it's yourself.
You know, I, or I don't get to go to bed 'cause I gotta go to the gym instead of going to bed because I don't have any other time. So it hasn't, it hasn't become an issue for me yet. But, um, yeah. So I'll let you know if it happens. And you can kick me back into place.
Well, yeah, I was, I was the opposite. I was the guy that never showed up, so I got some work to do. But yeah, bro, I, I am. I love that so much because that statement is real. And so all of a sudden there's a power there because whatever your conscience tells you, I don't know, maybe say I'm going to build a million dollar business, you know, like you said it. Mike,
Mike's got it. Mike's got that. He's the man now. Yes. He's the, he's got it. That's exactly, that's nothing.
And this is the power. This is the power. I love you guys so much.
I, um, you know, I have some goals, you know, on some goal sheets and I don't want to get into all that. And, you know, I, it's funny. It's your
time. We got time. You say whatever you want, bro.
Book club. You were talking about the reticular activating system. It's so funny. Like I almost jumped in and like. Um, you know, talking about how the brain filters out the blue car until you buy the blue car, right? Remember you were talking about that on the book club? So that's literally one of my Yeah, because I can never even remember the word. You had to save me. I just mumbled it. One of my favorite things to teach people about, period. Like, I love teaching people how our brain works.
But again, this group is so great because knowing it and doing it are two different things, right? So this group is great because it makes you do it. But so I had some goals that I, I still have them long term, but I, they're not on a green board anymore. You know what I mean? I'm not looking at it every day because I, I don't want to say I'd give it up on them, but I had relegated them to the, the maybe someday goals.
You know, so I really have, over the last couple of days, been looking at bringing some of those out of the closet, you know, and putting them, but, but you're right. I hadn't even thought about that. Like, I haven't put them up because I'm like, I realize now if I put them up, then I have to get there. You know what I mean? I have to.
I love that. And it should be scary. You guys, non negotiables should be forever. This is how you make it really non negotiable. This is how you level up that muscle. Where, and you become that man and you just through these small wins, while this is a massive win for Michael in what he has, what is going to happen in his future, if he continues living this way, I think we'll look back in this and be like, that was a good turning point. That was easy, you know, and I just, I can see that.
And I love, I love that reminder that the more you show yourself, you follow through the more you're, Stuff you're going to fall through on and it gets bigger. So yeah, what are we going to five years from now? What are all of us going to be doing in five years living like this, you
know, I'll never be 151 pounds again. Cause now, now we go out, you know what I mean? Like I'm done with that. It's cool that I got close to them. Today, um, you know, I, uh, I was talking to this guy actually in the hot tub of all places, came over and struck up a conversation in the hot tub, I don't know you man, I'm just trying to loosen this neck thing up, you know, and, uh, whatever, I'll talk to you. And we were talking and he was like, oh, what do you do?
You're in pretty good shape or whatever. And so I was trying to pitch him on Superhuman Fathers. So I showed him my pictures and you did it. I'm like, I'm not done. Like, I'm never going to be there again because now I'm going up. Like, I'm really excited to see what happens over the next year. Like, I really, I would like to end up somewhere like 175 with better abs than I had in that picture is what I'd like to see, so I don't know what I gotta go to to get to there,
but I thought I'd Bricks by bricks, man. We'll just go up and down, up and down, up and down, up and down. We'll just keep cycling,
so. Yeah. So I'm, I'm really excited. Like I'm over the posting, right? Like it's exciting and I'm glad and hopefully, you know, we got some guys inspired and they come on board, but like in my brain, I'm already past it. Like I'm done with that. Like, that's cool. I'm really glad that we got there. Um, and what Kyle had said the whole time is so funny to me because for me, I was like, it's taking so long. You know what I mean?
It's taking a really long time because previous to my life, I cut weight. I never got like ripped. I just cut weight, right? It's easy enough to drop some weight. And, and so I was kind of compared to that. And I was like, it's taking so long. And Kyle's like, you know what, when you're done though, people are going to be like, Oh, there's no way you did it in that amount of time. And that's literally what people have said. So right, Kyle's right.
So, and, um, but I'm just, I'm really excited about the next year. I want to see what we can do. And then, you know, this next thing. So today, like my gym time sucked, but I did go. And, uh, you know, it is what it is. It's going to be what it's going to be. And. You know, but we go every day now, you know, so, um, today was just mostly cardio and hot tub, but, um, you know, I'll fix it tomorrow. Hopefully, hopefully my next good. I tried to do.
I even tried to do my own chest workout with cable pools and I couldn't do it because when I did this, I also pulled the middle of my back, which I could have dealt with, but then I couldn't turn my head and my back hurts. So I tried to do a cable pool. I'm like, Nope, I got halfway. You know, I probably could have got two, but then I'd be laying on the ground right now.
So. Okay. Um, but the other thing that Kyle said to me, for any of you guys, that was so powerful to me, it's like, it's forever, right? It's forever. So, don't let it be an excuse to not hit your numbers or not hit your workouts. But, at the same time, like, it's forever. Like, I didn't lose weight this week, whatever, I'm gonna be here next week, I'm gonna be here the week after that, I'm gonna be here the week after that.
So, if I didn't lose weight this week, I should go back and reflect and make sure I did what I was supposed to do. But the day, it's not that big of a deal in the big scheme of things, right? Because hopefully we're all planning on living another 20, 30, 40 years. I mean, if it takes you till you're 70 to hit your day one, like maybe you should have Kyle and Jess your numbers, but, but the concept holds, right? You know, like, like you're going to be here six months from now.
So if it takes you six more months, that's okay. Again, don't use that as an excuse to just fuck around for four months. But you have a week where, you know, whatever, uh, you, you pull your neck or you have COVID, right? Somebody gets, I had COVID for, you know, I was out of the gym for two weeks because I couldn't go anywhere. I was in my bed for five days of it. You know, big scheme of things. Did it suck right then? Absolutely. Big scheme of things.
Kyle gets whatever it was, ringworm or whatever. You know, Kyle comes out of his room, he's got all these things. I'm like, what, what happened, bro? You got Ebola? What's going on? I don't know. I'm going to lift. Uh, I'm going to lift it out, you know? Uh, but, but big scheme of things. This is our life now. And if you're here, you know, cause you want to knock this out in two months and be done with it, then you probably shouldn't be here. That's not what this is.
And so hopefully nobody gets off and I'll feel like a dick because I just lost somebody but, but I mean really that's not what this is. Burn it down Mike, until we roll. These dudes. We tell, we tell the truth. I'm going to talk to these dudes, you know, every week, every couple of days for the rest of my life, you know what I mean?
And so, be honest with yourself, that's the other thing, there's, and I hope it's true, but I look at the macros, honestly, on the page, I'm like, yo, there's no way this many people have perfect macros, you know? And it's either that, or like 15 dudes in a row hit their numbers perfect, not even off by a gram, that's unbelievable. Like either Kyle and Ryan are really the shit. Or somebody's probably fibbing their numbers a little bit, which whatever, if it's you, you know who you are.
But, but even worse than that is like, Oh, I blew my fat today. And they didn't blow their fat. They blew it by 25 grams or 40 grams. Like I blew my fat today, but I had a great time. Well, what the hell are you doing here then? Like, that's not what we're here for. You know, and I'm not saying it's never gonna happen, right? You got married, you know, you're like, oh, I had some wedding, it can happen, but don't say it's okay to yourself. You can lie to us. You can't lie to you.
Don't lie to you. Don't tell yourself it's okay to do that, right? I accidentally had three Big Macs. No, you did not. You had to go order those Big Macs and open those Big Macs and put them in your fat ass mouth. That's what you did. Let's go. Let's go. So just know why you're here. And this is a lifetime thing. So don't sweat the small shit, but, but be true to yourself, be honest with yourself. And when you screw up, screw up, take ownership. Don't play it off like, Oh, not a big deal.
I'm, I'm so glad I did it. I went out with my buddies and had 12 beers that I don't regret a thing. You should. You can be happy you saw your buddies, but the next day when you look at your numbers and you're 1, 200 calories over, you should feel bad about that. And if you don't, then again, have another conversation with Kyle and Ryan, because maybe the same thing for you.
But I am so excited about all these results, and I'm seeing these dudes flexing their back, and like these back pictures are great, these bicep, these daily flex pictures are amazing. Makes me so excited, makes me want to go work harder. Um, and then Kyle every morning I get up and I look at Kyle's and he's like, Oh, what do I got? I got this chain. It weighs 800 pounds and I'm just taking a jog with it. Oh, and I got my baby, my wife, and I got more sweat than you've ever sweated in your life.
Like right now on my shirt because that's how hard I work. And, uh, it's inspiring every day. I actually get on Facebook in the morning and I scroll through and when I don't see Kyle's, I always see either Kyle or Ryan's, always. I see one of them. And if I don't see either one of them, that's probably the day I quit because they both died or something. You know what I mean? Because they're that consistent. And I gotta send out a condolence card.
Yeah, I haven't posted, I haven't posted yet. It was a busy day, but it's coming. I got, I got my, I got my shit.
And that's it too, right? You're independent. I know that I can depend on both of you, which is powerful, more powerful than you know, because the people around us aren't dependable. They're not doing what we're doing, taking time out of their day, 4, 5, 6 days a week to become more dependable. They're not doing the stuff that we're doing, or that Warrior Fitness moms are doing, you know? They're not doing it, so the people around you in your everyday life, most of them aren't dependable.
But every single person in this room is.
So to finish this up, Mike, I kind of a question, and maybe you, you kind of already touched on it a little bit, and it might disappear here actually for a second because my phone disconnected. Now I'm back. Okay. Um, if there's one thing that you could tell yourself, before you start if you go back in time. A tip, just anything. What would you tell yourself? Start up
sooner is off the table, right? This is like, I'm just getting started, I'm deciding to start. I would say, for me, I would have gotten to the gym sooner, because I did let that fear hold me out of the gym for a couple of weeks. And I would have told myself that this is, you know, this is a lifestyle, you know, I would have really drilled that in the very beginning. So what happens today doesn't define the next 10 days, doesn't define the next 10 years.
And I would have been a little more patient with myself when I started plateauing a little bit. Um, just because, not because it stopped me, because I still got there, but it gave me extra stress that was unnecessary. There was no reason for it. It was self created doubt. There's nobody else. My wife didn't doubt me. You guys, you know, didn't doubt me or you hit it well as you did, but my wife never doubted me. Nobody else doubted me. It was just me creating that for myself.
And it was just added cortisol, which probably made me hold my belly fat longer, right? So I probably actually self sabotage my abs for an extra week, you know, but, um, I would just say stay engaged for anybody that's new, you know, and I did do that. And it, and it was a lifesaver. I know I see guys that get on one Zoom a week, one or two Zooms a month, and it's just not the same thing. You need those people around you to show you what's possible, and to make sure you believe in yourself.
Because Ryan and Kyle, I've been amazing at, they're not our bosses, right? They're our coaches and a good coach. Their job is to hold up a mirror for you to see yourself, you know, and say, is in the beginning of this, you all give your own goals. I think I told Kyle, I wanted to hit 170. Like, that's what I want to do. And Kyle's like, Oh, cool. We'll see what happens at 170, you know? Because we are, we, we, we have our own things. Like I'm 170 is as low as I'm going to get.
Otherwise I look like a bobblehead. Well, that wasn't true, but that's what I was telling myself. So he didn't even bother correcting me. He just said, let's get there and see. So a good coach, what they're going to do is they're going to say, look, this is what you said you wanted, right? Hold the meter up. This is what you said you wanted. You really want it. They can't make us do it.
They can't feed me, you know, so use Kyle and Ryan because you guys have been so honest, you know, honest in your evaluation. And it's, it's, it's powerful, but I would say just stay engaged and, um, You know, set realistic goals for yourself that hurt a little bit, makes you want to throw up a little bit, you know, like I'm really excited about 175. And the other thing is, I would say, appreciate the calories that you have.
At the very beginning of this, I was cussing them up and down because I was eating so much food. And like midnight. I'm eating like four servings of cocoa wheats, right? Like it's this big like Tupperware bowl, right? It's cocoa wheats because I got all these cards. I'm like, these guys are stupid. They don't know where they're going. I got, you know, and it was so much food. And I, again, I didn't have a calorie cut for a long time because I was still losing.
And then we got down to the bottom and it was cool, but I was hungry, right? And now I'm kind of going up a little bit every
week. Just so, just so you know, boys. We tortured Michael. He was at 1450. How long was it? Eight weeks? Yes, it was. It was eight weeks. I think it was eight weeks at 1450. So this guy's a savage.
Just remember, this is not for the faint of heart, right? We don't, we don't sugarcoat it. At
1450, he went three weeks, I think, without any change. Imagine. Being that hungry and not seeing any change and asking if you could drop calories so you can go faster. And me saying, no, you have to hold the line.
Like, I did ask for another hundred calories off. Um, I mean, savage. So then like, I'm like, this is great, but you know, I kind of liked the way it felt better at 1450, right? And so now I'm going up and I think. If you appreciate where you are in the stage, like, so that's kind of what I told myself today. I'm like, I got to eat this extra food, which you think when you're at 1450 or if you're at your bottom right now, you're like, what is he talking about? I want more food. I get it.
I did too. But now I'm like, you know what? I think I probably could. Now I find days I'm like, shit, I still need 450 calories. It's midnight. Like I was good. I thought I was good, but I still need all this food. So appreciate each stage because. You know, the saying that we have in the military is the best command you're ever going to serve at is the one you just left or the one you're going to next, right? It's never where you are, right?
And they probably say something similar in the fire department, in the police department, right? The best place you're ever going to work is the place you just left or the place you're going to because we never take the time to appreciate where we are. And we don't think about that in terms of food, but I'm telling you, enjoy where you're at at 2250 and you can fit that, you know, extra burrito shell in. Or enjoy it at 1450 where you're really seeing what you can get after.
Like, whatever place you are right now calorie wise, take the time, you know, one day to just sit down and appreciate the miracle that is your body. Not only surviving, but thriving at whatever that number is for you.
Savage. I love it. Okay, I'm going to open the floor up for questions. So if you have a question, let's go ahead and throw up a hand if there's any questions so that we can have it semi organized. I think, uh, was, did I see Matt? Did you have a question, Matt? Oh wait, no, Eduardo. Eduardo's got a question. Yeah, I did. Sorry. Oh, okay. So I'm sorry. I look at me. I'm trying to leave this and I'm giving everybody the floor. Okay. So Eduardo, let's Matt, you go first. Eduardo, you're next
to my congratulations, by the way. It's amazing transformation, man. Your pictures are really inspiring. I was just curious. So what is what is your business? Like, what do you
do? You know, when you're not working out and counting calories? So, so my wife and I work with a big US manufacturing company showing people how to buy American made products directly to the manufacturer and not have to go to Walmart. Sorry, say that again. We, we, we work with a big U. S. manufacturer showing people how to buy household goods from a U. S. manufacturer so they don't have to go to Walmart so much.
Got you. All U. S. merchandise. All U. S. merchandise. Let's go.
Let's go!
Hit em up! Gino. Oh, Gino! Oh, Gino! We love Gino. Hey,
hold on. Before we
ask the question, Gino, I smiled. Ear to ear when you posted your flex pic. My smile was ear to ear when you posted that thing, bro. That meant so much to me after shoulder surgery and just sticking to your mattress.
And what did you say? Nebuary? Did you say Nebuary? You Nebuary? That's the last time you said it. Yeah, he Nebuary. Last time he said my Nebuary.
Nebuary 31st, right? Um, and man, Mike, you're a beast. You already know that, man. Um, for myself and whoever else is dealing with injuries. Um, how did you know when you were pushing it too hard with your weights or, I mean, was it literally just, okay, this is pain, I'm going to stop because I feel that pain, but then I want to keep going. And as long as I don't wake up the next morning in complete dog shit, I just, I keep going with it, right?
But, and I don't know what kind of injuries you have, but something tells me that, you know, we're all dealing with, with old man stuff.
What I have is a break in my back, a break in my neck, and a break in my hip. Those are my main injuries. I've got twin tendons in both forearms. Um, I've got a tweaked ACL currently, but, um, everybody is different, right? And I'm not a medical doctor, but yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, Kyle helped me when, when my hips were bothering me a lot at the beginning, Kyle helped me come up with some exercises that, you know, were a little more hip friendly. He's got some deep friendly ones.
You know, and I'm sure, I'm sure he's got elbow friendly. I mean, I'm sure Kyle's got a lot of variations, but for me, um, I always, like if you logged into my trainer eyes, you would see, especially when the, when the cycle changes, the exercises change, my first like one or two sets. is always pathetically light. Like, like I shoot you, not the first time. The first time I did squats as part of my workout, because I hadn't done squats since before hip surgery.
The first time I did squats that weren't body weight squats, I didn't use the bar. I used 10 pound dumbbells just to see how my body would respond. And I did that for about three. And then I realized I'm holding 10 pound dumbbells and I got the bar off, but I just did the bar. My first set, I just did 60 squats with a bar, um, just to see how my hip would do. And then what I did was I went to the next exercise and I'm not saying that's right for everybody.
But what I did that day is I did 60 squats with the, with the blank barbell. I went and did the rest of the workout. And then I wanted to see how my hip felt at the end and my hips felt okay. So then I went back and I did the squat set. Um, which, you know, they say do them in order or whatever, right? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. So, that's how my wife can give me tips. Um, nice. We should be talking to her. They do it in order, but for me, the squats were the one that scared me the most.
And, um, and I did do the bench behind me a couple times for squats. You know, Colin mentioned that because he had jacked up knees. Um, but for me, every exercise that we haven't done yet in our workout routine, I always go really, really light the first time. Um, not every exercise, but every exercise that affects something of mine that's damaged. Um, I go really, really light and I give it 30 minutes and see how my body feels.
And what Danny was just saying was that if you, if you haven't worked out in a while, and I know you've been killing it, I saw your, I saw your arms today, but for people that haven't been working out, make sure you're not confusing really sore shit with pain. Yeah. Because there is a difference, you know what I mean? Like, we should be sore. We want to be someone and sometimes, um, you're sore around a pain point.
Like sometimes if my hips are tight, I almost think my hip hurts, but it, but if I, you know, kind of sit in and breathe through it, I can, Oh, it's the muscle, right? It is different than the bone stuff. So just, um, but that's what I do. If it's an exercise that I'm not sure about. And some days I do feel like I'm pushing it. Um, like the other day I was doing squats.
And I got to like number four and I just felt something that felt different in my hip and I just put it back, you know, and the trick is then you just write a four in there, right? I don't, that's the other thing, like put a four in there. If you did four, you put four in there, right? Nobody's gonna beat you up.
Like, uh, I did, uh, I did eight sets, but really I stopped on set two, you know, on rep five because I, I heard something, you know, um, just again, be honest with yourself because otherwise what happens is you come back the next time you're like, Oh shit, I did that many, I gotta do more, right? And you weren't anywhere close to that. You're trying to progressively overload past what you've ever done. So that's.
That's been the best thing for me and some things like I called Ryan because I couldn't do squats because I get this neck thing and it was really bothering me and I, I have a tendency to ride the bar up kind of high. I don't, I don't do a very good job sometimes. I've gotten better at sitting it down on my traps so it sits too high on my neck. And I know that and I, and I was like, there's no way I can do it. Like I had shooting pains down my arms as it was from my neck stuff.
And I told him, I said, I can't do squats today. What can I do? So then we ended up doing, I think I did goblet squats that day, which goblet squats look a lot easier, but they're not, they're just different. You know,
they will ruin you, but ruin you.
You know, if, if you, I would say if you feel pain, stop, you know, like pain, like actual pain. But again, you've been here for a while. So for all you new guys, make sure you're to the point that you can believe yourself first. You know what I mean? Like, cause at the very beginning, it's very easy to lie to ourselves, you know, like we've been lying to ourselves. We were going to get back to the gym for 12 years. It's easy to be like, Oh, well that hurts, but does it really hurt?
Or is it sore? Like, does it hurt because you're weak and you need help? Or does it hurt because an injury is slurring up? Be honest with yourself. But I, my personal opinion would be if it hurts, stop, right? I would never want somebody to work through actual pain. Um,
but that's amazing, man. Cause I mean, like that just goes to show what you're doing is working. And I'm not going to call it a handicap in the literal form, but you know, in the figurative. And still be able to get just yoked over time. I mean, that's, that's inspiring, man, and I want to, I want to get with you offline on some of that NLP stuff because I've heard way too much about it and I really, really want to understand it and, and implement it. So I want to, uh, That's your base, bro.
I love all this. Um, we have passed our time. I could go forever. But I wanted to take this moment if there are, I will give one more question if there's one that just has to be out there. If not, I don't see one. So I just want to express gratitude from both Kyle and myself and the team to you, Mike. Because remember, this isn't about us. It's not. And I know that you had a lot of your brothers in mind.
Either on this team or just out there while you were suffering and it's what pushed you through and it's what makes you a miraculous human. Because we are all quick to think selfishly until we've tapped in. Tap in. And we still not
about us. We just recognize it now before we act on it. We still do it. We're still not perfect. We just recognize it now first and stop it. But, and again, I say it. Yeah, bro. I love you guys and I, I wouldn't be here without the two of you and all the guys on the team, you know, Al, Al was here, Al just had back surgery, that dude's like working out during back surgery, like right up till it, right, Al was crushing it. Savage.
I think Al's taller than me, he's like, hey, let me eat 300 calories a day for the week before surgery so I can, you know, like Al's a monster. And so, and Oxen. So, there's been a lot of guys that, you know, whether you know that I'm watching or not, like, you guys are all part of that reason, right?
Like, I should name each, I should name one of the abs after each of you, but I only got like six, but you guys, um, all of you, and Kyle and Ryan, obviously, because you're, you're the So, You know, Kyle, especially the architect of this, so I appreciate you and the example that you set for us to want to be, you know, the example for us to say, hey, these are dudes that we want to be like, you know, so thank you both from the bottom of my heart and let's and let's go. I'm not done yet.
So let's let's see what's next. We're doing so we'll do a day to one of 200 pounds. Yeah, truly, truly. I just want to say to you now, really? Welcome to Superhuman Fathers. Proud of you, bro. You broke him! Let's
go! I love it, dude. Love it. On that, on that note, let's call it.
Thank you, gentlemen. Let's go crush it for the rest of the week. Let's
go. We will be at, uh, Superhuman Scholars Book Club tomorrow night. I think we're going slow, dude. Chapter 4 tomorrow!
Bring the hype!
Can't wait to see you guys. Thanks Mike, so good. Let's go!
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I'm going to stop because I can't have that clouding, like. All this jock, you can't add that onto this job stuff. So, I went like two months, two and a half months without drinking. And then I kind of eased back into it and I was like, you know, I'm going to ease back into it casually. Fine. It's like, you know, around the time I got laid off. Then I got laid off. I was like, you know what? I'm just going to do whatever I want. So, I was like, I'm going to Drink as much as I want.
I'm like, I was kind of happier in a weird way. Right. So I was like, I'm going to drink as much as I want. And I'm just going to eat whatever I want. Cause whatever, fuck it. Like I'll lose weight if I need to, whatever. Fine. And I went from like, in like three months, I went from being my, I call it like my depression weight. It was like 177. And I went from 177 to like 206. And like three months,