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Sunstone Podcast

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For more than 45 years, Sunstone has been exploring Mormonism in all its expressions through our publications and symposiums. The Sunstone Podcast gathers the best of these explorations, including compelling sessions from our worldwide symposiums as well as interviews, book reviews, and deep dives into all things Mormon. Hosted by Stephen Carter.
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Episodes

E46: John’s Top-Ten List

What’s up with John Larsen, anyway? On some episodes, he’s very critical of the LDS Church; on others, he’s very supportive. In this episode, John presents the top ten most important things to know about his approach to Mormonism.

Dec 30, 201939 min

E45: What Would Jesus Do with $100 Billion?

A whistleblower recently alleged to the IRS that the LDS Church has kept $100 billion of funds meant for charitable purposes. The Church maintains that it keeps funds in store for the Second Coming of Jesus Christ. In this episode, John Larsen analyzes what that statement could mean about the LDS version of the Second Coming—where, apparently, the stock market, the worldwide financial system, and corporations will still be fully functional. A far cry from the apocalyptic vision of most Christian...

Dec 23, 201927 min

E44: A Christmas Carol Conspiracy Theory

Why has Charles Dickens’ story “A Christmas Carol” been one of the most popular stories in the English language for almost 150 years? Stephen Carter thinks he found the answer—one that will completely change how you view the story—one that made Stephen into a reluctant “Christmas Carol’ convert.

Dec 16, 201927 min

E43: The Sunstone Santa Special

Sunstone presents two perspectives on Santa. The neighbors won’t let their kids play with his kids in December. He’s not allowed to speak in church before Christmas. Why? Because L. Kay Gillespie (1) doesn’t believe in Santa, (2) isn’t quiet about it, and (3) thinks Santa should get the heck out of Christmas and get his own dang holiday! On the other hand, being Santa once helped revive Rory Swensen’s cold, dead heart....

Dec 11, 201934 min

E42: Ministering to Those Who Question: A Conversation with David B. Ostler

What is the most important thing to do when someone starts talking with you about a religious concern? According to David B. Ostler, simply to listen. In his debut episode, new Sunstone Podcast co-host Jaxon Washburn talks with Ostler about his book “Bridges: Ministering to Those Who Question.”

Nov 25, 20191 hr 5 min

E41: Your Faith Crisis Isn’t Actually Yours

We like to think that our faith crisis came about because we followed the truth. But what if a faith crisis is actually produced by cultural cycles that have been grinding on for millennia? Stephen Carter discusses how anthropology and the sociology of knowledge turns the concept of a faith crisis on its head.

Nov 19, 201932 min

E40: Mormon Iconoclast Part 4: Eric Samuelsen’s “Borderlands”

His play “Borderlands” exacted a great cost from Eric Samuelsen, both personally and professionally. But it is also likely his greatest work. Stephen Carter and director Jerry Rapier discuss how the play came together and its potent effect on the LDS community.

Nov 11, 201937 min

E39: Mormon Iconoclast Part 3: Eric Samuelsen’s ‘Peculiarities’

Two BYU students go to Nevada to get civilly married for a weekend so they can see what sex is like. A bishop tries to fend off needy ward members long enough to have a romantic evening with his wife. An LDS mom starts work in a brothel to support her family. In what is probably his most provocative LDS work, Eric Samuelsen delves into “weird Mormon sex” with a set of five short plays. Stephen Carter and Jerry Rapier discuss their meaning and how Plan-B Theater brought them to film....

Nov 04, 201941 min

E38: How ‘Saw’ Is the Ultimate Mormon Horror Film

LDS culture is so relentlessly optimistic and family-friendly that we almost always overlook the profound horror at its theological roots. Fortunately, the horror movie “Saw” opens our eyes. After this episode, you’ll be calling it “the Plan of Saw-vation.”

Oct 28, 201931 min

E37: Mormon Iconoclast Part 2: Eric Samuelsen’s “The Plan”

Behind every great man stands a great woman … who stood up to him! The Bible often gives its female characters short shrift. But playwright Eric Samuelsen brings them vividly to life in his play “The Plan.” Stephen Carter and Melissa Leilani Larson discuss this astonishingly feminist piece of LDS theater.

Oct 21, 201947 min

E36: Mormon Iconoclast: An Introduction to Eric Samuelsen

Mormonism suffered a great loss in September when Eric Samuelsen passed away. But few people have actually heard of him, which is a shame, because he revolutionized LDS culture one iconoclastic play at a time. Stephen Carter and J. Scott Bronson discuss two of his award-winning plays.

Oct 14, 201931 min

E35: Wayne Booth: “The Rhetorician Who Can Change Everything”

What’s more important? Having the truth, or understanding your opponent? In this first installment of the Forgotten Mormons series, Stephen Carter, Greg Clark, and Jon Ogden introduce Wayne C. Booth, the LDS rhetorician who would like to blow everything you know about constructive dialogue out of the water. Its implications—from political discourse to Sunday school to the dinner table—are game changing.

Oct 06, 20191 hr 11 min

E34: Expanding the Soul … and the Podcast: A Conversation with Jaxon Washburn

How do you grow spiritually? Do you move from being wrong to being right? Or from being right to being righter? Jaxon Washburn sees soul growth as expansion rather than as movement toward correctness. Jaxon will be a co-host for future episodes of the Sunstone Podcast. Come get a taste of his thinking, and learn how he will approach his episodes.

Sep 29, 201957 min

E33: A History of the Faith Crisis: A Conversation with Jeff Burton

The concept of a faith crisis is a relatively new one, especially in LDS discourse. But Jeff Burton has been documenting cases of faith crises since the early 1980s. What has changed about the patterns of faith crises from then until now? Are there more people going through them, or are they just more willing to talk about it? What do Church leaders think about this phenomenon?

Sep 16, 201954 min

E32: Too Interesting to Leave: A Conversation with Rick Bennett

Rick Bennett has earned his place among LDS podcasters by hosting guests from across the belief spectrum, from Utah Lighthouse Ministry founder Sandra Tanner to official LDS Church historian Steven Snow. John Larsen talks with Rick about how in the world he does it.

Sep 02, 20191 hr 16 min

E31: Early Mormonism and the Masonic Worldview

It’s not just the temple endowment ceremony that has deep roots in Freemasonry, you can find its lore in the Book of Mormon, the Doctrine and Covenants, and the Pearl of Great Price, too. John Larsen and Clair Von Barrus take a deep dive into the parallels in this episode.

Aug 26, 20191 hr 15 min

E28: Overcoming the Anger: How to Let Go and Move On

When individuals leave the Church they are often overwhelmed with negative emotions. Based on his many years working with individuals in faith transition, John Larsen will discuss ways to move on from the pain and embrace more peace and joy.

Aug 07, 20191 hr 26 min

E27: Farewell to Manti: A Visit to the Last Pageant

Join John Larsen and Lindsay Hansen Park on a road trip to the Manti Pageant where you’ll learn about the history of the pageant, the attitudes behind it, and the reasons for its demise.

Jun 30, 20191 hr 9 min

E25: Not Church

An Introduction to Oasis. When people transition out of the LDS Church, they often look for a place to fill their need for community, and some of them end up in an Oasis group. John Larsen talks with some of the organizers of the Salt Lake City chapter.

Jun 16, 20191 hr 3 min

E24: Life Outside the Closet: A Talk with the Latter-day Lesbians

Shelly was a Mormon mother of seven children before she realized that she was a lesbian. Now she and her partner Mary run the “Latter-day Lesbian” podcast. They came to Salt Lake City for the Pride Festival and stopped in the Sunstone studio to talk with John Larsen.

Jun 09, 20191 hr 2 min

E21: The Art of a Skillful Faith Transition: A Conversation with Stephen Carter

More than 20 years ago, Stephen Carter met Eugene England, starting a relationship that altered the course of his spiritual life. Now, Stephen is an award-winning author and editor in Mormon Studies, who attends both LDS and Unitarian Universalist congregations. In this episode John and Stephen talk about how Gene taught him the art of “a skillful faith transition.

May 19, 201959 min

E20: The Case for Therapy: A Discussion with Jenny Marrow

For a long time, going into therapy has had a stigma attached to it in the LDS Church. In this episode, John Larsen and Jenny Marrow argue that that should change—both for Mormons and ex-Mormons. https://sunstone.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/SLP-020-ex.mp3

May 13, 20191 hr 13 min

E17: Mormons Building Bridges

Mormons Building Bridges made national news headlines when they brought together 300 Mormons to march in the 2012 Salt Lake City Pride Parade. How did they get started and how has the organization grown since then? John Larsen interviews some of MBB’s leaders in this episode.

Apr 21, 20191 hr 13 min
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