Welcome to Sunburnt Souls. My name is Dave Quak, and on this show we speak about life and faith and our mental well-being. And you've actually caught us in week two of a two part series on renewing the mind with Doctor Ash Moreland. Ash is the best because she's super smart with the PhD and all of that, but she's really fun and funny and excitable, and her organisation, the RI Mind Institute, is doing great work.
Ash Moreland, is one that's actually worth following because she gives away heaps of tips, steers us to heaps of resources, and just has lots of insight into renewing the mind. So if you missed week one, go back and listen to that. Otherwise, if you're joining us for the second week, thanks for coming back and may God bless you richly.
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Dave Quak
Like I'm looking even right now. I'm just got some of your, like with your page about the Remind Institute. It talks about three steps like awareness and revelation, nervous system rewiring, and emotional and behavioral integration. One thing I think that's super cool about that is you've been able to use that in the secular space, using essentially Christian concepts as well as the right 100%.
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Dr Ash Moreland
It's everything we do is based off the Bible.
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Dave Quak
I mean, even revelation that is such a Christian word. I can't believe it is like, that's that's unbelievable.
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Dr Ash Moreland
So, so one of the things that I really feel strongly about in educating people is that information is science. Revelation is spiritual in nature. And so we say we don't give people information for an education. We give people revelation for transformation.
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Dave Quak
Yeah, that's good.
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Dr Ash Moreland
Because someone can know everything that they need to do. But that's knowledge still won't change their life. So it's how do you take someone deeper into their journey, which is usually about, so I have a concept I called the romcom up Tom. It's a bit of a mouthful, but I talk about the the lenses. And if we have experienced something in our past, especially in our childhood, if we've experienced something in our past that has given us a frame of reference or a lens through which we see the world, we take that lens and we wear that prescription right through our life until we change it.
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Dave Quak
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Dr Ash Moreland
And so Raymond Institute is based off of Romans 12 two, where it says, do not conform to the patterns of this world, i.e. don't just come into agreement with everything you learned in the world and about the world and about how we operate and how we interrelate, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind.
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Dave Quak
Yeah.
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Dr Ash Moreland
And the reason that that resonates so strongly for me is because a lot of our adult problems, because of the worldly patterns and concepts that we and even our worldly identity, like this flesh mate suit, doesn't go up to heaven. This flesh meets. Its going in the ground or in the what's the code incinerator or whatever it is.
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Dr Ash Moreland
This flesh made suit is pointless. It's just the vessel that our soul is using. And so our true identity is our soul. And really it comes down to identity work. Like we need to be transformed to think the way God thinks, to see situations and circumstances, the way God sees them. And even in parenting. My husband didn't have kids biologically of his own.
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Dr Ash Moreland
So when we got together, he had to. He got thrown in the deep end of learning how to be a dad.
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Dave Quak
Yeah.
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Dr Ash Moreland
And he was operating based off the patterns of the world that he had downloaded and that he knew. But those patterns weren't necessarily godly or Christlike. And so being able to say, if you were behaving in this way, how would Jesus parent you? How would Jesus respond to you in that moment? Would he condemn you? Discipline you with harshness?
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Dr Ash Moreland
Would he embarrass you? Would he, you know, whatever. And he's like, no. What would he do? What would that look like? What would it sound like? And using that to trance like, that's literally renewing his mind and helping him to see what Jesus would see in that moment and be more like him.
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Dave Quak
So and so many of our battles in the mind are so long term, fraught with frustration. And just like that spinning wheel at your back again. Yeah. You know, I know, I get it, I don't mind. I don't know. I hope you don't mind. I'm going to just get in the seat of the client for a moment. So I gotta say, I approach you as a practitioner just to put a bit of legs on it, and I'm surfing, circling around anger that will.
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Dave Quak
Don't lift. Right. As someone who ministers from a place of science and spirituality. Hypothetically, I know we can't do a real session, but that would be something that just keeps circling around my life, around my life, and just raise its head every now and then in a few days of fury and then kind of subsides round my life realm.
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Dave Quak
And then what? What? So what? That seems to link in with what you were just saying. So what's going on when that happens?
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Dr Ash Moreland
There's a few things. So first of all, people think emotions are feelings, but they're not. Emotions are chemical reactions in the body. So when if anger is manifesting a lot in our life, that's an indicator to me that there are unprocessed chemicals of emotions stored from past experiences that were never adequately processed. And so, thinking back to a child who hasn't been, like, tainted by the world yet, how does a a child metabolize the chemicals of emotion?
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Dr Ash Moreland
What does that look like?
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Dave Quak
I don't know.
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Dr Ash Moreland
Anger. So what does a child do if they're angry?
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Dave Quak
Oh, they chopped their toys on the ground or so.
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Dr Ash Moreland
Yeah.
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Dave Quak
Yeah.
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Dr Ash Moreland
Throwing. Yeah, yeah.
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Dave Quak
Screaming.
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Dr Ash Moreland
Screaming.
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Dave Quak
Throwing a fist or two maybe.
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Dr Ash Moreland
Yeah. Stomping their feet.
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Dave Quak
Dumping that. Yeah.
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Dr Ash Moreland
All of those things are the body's natural. Like we were built, purpose built and designed to know intuitively how to metabolize the chemicals that are in our body. But then we have parents who look at that, see it as a behavior that needs correcting, and so we suppress it.
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Dave Quak
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Dr Ash Moreland
And if we've had the chemicals showing up in our body but we haven't been able to fully metabolize them, then that's a really big hint for me that any time something is like, you know, you're about to explode, about to explode because you're full of these chemicals that haven't been metabolized, and it just takes the tiniest little thing to push on it.
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Dr Ash Moreland
And the chemicals want to start coming out again. And so the, I this is going to be crass, but I literally call it the emotional orgasm because it is literally like that expression of rage or the expression of anger is trying to release and process and metabolize the chemicals of emotion out of body level. So there's that cellular sort of side of things.
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Dr Ash Moreland
The other side of it is our default stress response style. So you probably heard of fight flight, freeze and phone.
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Dave Quak
Yeah.
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Dr Ash Moreland
If anger. So anger is a flight response. And that might tell me a little bit about, your childhood. If your default stress response is fight, then that might give me a bit of an indicator around how things were handled in your childhood home. So we'd probably explore that and go, well, was this a learned response? As in, did you just observe that that's how you do it?
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Dr Ash Moreland
Or were you forced into that because the other spots were taken? If someone went into flight and was all freeze and was completely shut down, emotionless, completely disengaged, disconnected, for whatever reason, the only time you were seen or heard is if you went into fight. Then can you see how that would sort of start to make sense? And I'm not for a second suggesting that was your child time.
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Dave Quak
No, no, no, that is a great example because I think a lot of us can resonate with that. Yeah, because I think when we start looking at these sciences where I just ask, how can it benefit me and why have I missed out on this? Yeah. You know what I mean?
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Dr Ash Moreland
Absolutely. And so, you know, responsive parenting course, a lot of parenting courses are about how to correct the child's behavior. And that automatically assumes that the child's behavior is normal bad. But that's not biblical.
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Dave Quak
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Dr Ash Moreland
Because biblically God doesn't label that as good or bad. But he's trying to equip and empower us to be able to respond the way he would respond to us if we were having a tantrum. Just going to be with love and kindness and compassion. And yes, sometimes firm conviction and correction. But even that is done with love because he wants us to be more like Christ, not because we're naughty and bad and wants to punish us.
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Dave Quak
Yes.
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Dr Ash Moreland
And so from the perspective, like in the Responsive Parenting course, we go into understanding what the stress responses are, right? So for me as a parent, my default stress response tends to be flight. And so when I'm really overwhelmed I'll go I'm busy, busy busy busy rushing around, doing this, doing that. I want to rush my kids. I want to control this and do that.
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Dr Ash Moreland
Overworking them like, don't stop. But then understanding that what if I'm in a flight response half and my kids need my attention because their survival literally depends on me?
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Dave Quak
Yeah.
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Dr Ash Moreland
What do they have to do to get my attention?
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Dave Quak
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Dr Ash Moreland
It's usually pretty abrupt because I'm so deep in a flight response. I'm not present. I'm not in the moment. Sometimes they could be talking to me and I even hear it. And so it's going to come out as they'll fight with each other and then all of a sudden I hear them fighting and I'm back in the moment again and I.
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Dr Ash Moreland
Yeah. And then I'm going to be back to tell them off. Mom's back. We're safe.
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Dave Quak
Yeah.
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Dr Ash Moreland
It's very bizarre. It's a completely different way of looking at it.
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Dave Quak
Yeah, but, I mean, I think intrinsically, we sometimes know what happens. Like, we'll smell or smell or something will happen, and then all of a sudden will be brought back to our memory from when we're five or something like that. Of course, it it affects the other way as well, where unresolved things just sort of, you know, rest in our bodies waiting to be.
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Dr Ash Moreland
Yeah. So it's in our bodies that's at the physical level, but also at the mind level, because the mind is really the mind and the brain are not the same thing. And this is in my work, the intersection between science and spirituality. This is what was my biggest revelation and breakthrough is that I thought that the brain was everything.
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Dr Ash Moreland
And if we just change the brain either through neuroplasticity or through chemicals with medications or whatever, then we could solve all our problems. But what I was, I was always really interested in the outlier, like the one who didn't respond to things.
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Dave Quak
Oh, yeah.
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Dr Ash Moreland
And the thing is, I started to go, how can you control for every single variable? And you have some people that it works for, some people that it doesn't work for. And you've got this whole big standard deviation, which is true across any human research ever. Why is that? And I started asking this question. And it's actually beyond genetics and beyond epigenetics.
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Dr Ash Moreland
And that's what led me into understanding the mind. Because if you go to Google and you type in define mental as in mental health, it's not relating to the brain. It's not brain chemistry. It says relating to the mind.
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Dave Quak
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Dr Ash Moreland
But my brain is right here in my home. It's 3:54 p.m. on the 19th of March when we're recording this. But yet my mind can go to 7 p.m. to not thinking about dinner, but my brain can't. My mind can go back to when I was seven years old and I met some kid called Dave and we had a great time.
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Dr Ash Moreland
So you must be a great guy and I feel comfortable with you, but my brain can't go back to when I was seven, you know? And so we can utilize science and therapeutic modalities based on the, the physical flesh meat suit. But doing that in the absence of also understanding what is happening at the level of the mind and what are the what meaning is the mind assigning to things because it's just a meaning making machine.
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Dave Quak
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Dr Ash Moreland
And I use these like if someone had a beaten me up with this bottle, you and I both know this is just a bottle. It's neither good nor bad. But if someone beat me up with this bottle, what do you think would happen in my body in the future if I go into a room? And so.
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Dave Quak
That's wrong. Yeah.
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Dr Ash Moreland
I would have a stress response because this is no longer just a innocuous bottle. It's a weapon. And it's a threat to me because now my mind has the memory that is now encoded, but that gets stored in my hippocampus as data. And so my hippocampus that sits right next door to the amygdala, which is the thing that's trying to keep me alive.
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Dr Ash Moreland
It's like the yeah, the thing is scanning the environment for threat all the time. It goes into my hippocampus, pulls out the file that says purple water bottle and says, that thing's going to try and kill you. You need to activate fight flight freeze often right now, or you're going to die. And so it's about looking at the mind.
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Dr Ash Moreland
What are the stories? What is the meaning that's being assigned hypothetically. And the conclusions are almost always wrong. It's almost always a distortion. But if we don't repair that and renew our mind to be able to see the water bottle as a water bottle.
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Dave Quak
Yeah.
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Dr Ash Moreland
Instead of, say, the water bottle as a weapon, then that's going to continue to come with me into the future for as long as I go without renewing it. Repairing it.
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Dave Quak
Yeah. And so in practice, you can help somebody come to grips with, you know, in this analogy, the water bottle to a place that it's not an issue in the future. The same as what other things would trigger us?
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Dr Ash Moreland
Absolutely. And so, and that approach is really different. I think the, the best example of that is PTSD, right? PTSD is something that doesn't we know PTSD doesn't really respond to medication. It doesn't really respond to talk based therapy. Why? Well, because it's not a brain chemical issue. So medication can't help. It's not something that we can logically rationalize and talk based therapy is driven by the front of our brain.
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Dr Ash Moreland
It's really logic and reasoning. And yeah, all that sort of stuff. PTSD is trauma. Where is that coming from? The amygdala. It's the survival responses. So if we work directly with the hippocampus and the amygdala, it is so easy to process PTSD. We can process PTSD in one session if we really have clarity on exactly what's coming up for someone.
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Dr Ash Moreland
Well so to look at that and go back, do you understand now why it hurts me. And it grieves me so much that people in society have literally they've come into agreement with a pattern of the world says you can't heal from PTSD.
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Dave Quak
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Dr Ash Moreland
You're going to be stuck with this forever. The best we can do is help you manage your condition like that. That hurts me.
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Dave Quak
I can see why it would, especially if you've got some tools that are helpful. And because you're a helpful person, you want people to be helped.
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Dr Ash Moreland
Right.
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Dave Quak
Yeah.
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Dr Ash Moreland
It's it's crazy. Literally the reason we had this conversation about educating people on psychology versus psychiatry versus what we're doing, which is really quite different, is because a couple of nights ago, in one of the local mums groups that I'm in, someone had written a post and asking for a psychologist, but I could see from their post that a psychologist wasn't going to be the right person to help them based upon behaviorally, what they described symptomatically, what they described.
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Dr Ash Moreland
It's not the right fit. And so I had commented and the admin of the group said, you're not a psychologist. The person posting literally just asked for a psychologist and you're not one. So don't comment. And then suspended me from the group for promoting my business. Like I was only sharing that for my own self promotion. And that's never my heart.
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Dr Ash Moreland
You know? It's like, I feel like the whole world needs this. We literally created an entire email series where I put all of my, like my coaching my information into emails to answer people's questions because I just want people to know it. Yeah, the world would be a better place if people just understood this stuff. They relationships would improve, their kids, futures would improve, their businesses would improve if they just were willing to know it.
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Dr Ash Moreland
Yeah. And I give it away for free because I don't want people to think, oh, you just and you're in it for money. You just trying to, you know, I'm not gatekeeping it.
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Dave Quak
No.
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Dr Ash Moreland
A fraction of those people will want to work with me, and that's okay. But just have it then. Yeah.
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Dave Quak
Let's look at this stuff. I mean, a fraction of them should let me. You got to live. You got to. You don't get seven, 8.5% super anymore. So deal to fringe. But yeah. Look there is so many good resources on your website and on your Facebook and on your YouTube. Like, even just them. And you started talking about the mind being different to the brain.
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Dave Quak
I had an elementary understanding of that because about maybe 3 or 4 weeks ago, you put one on there talking about that. And you also use the analogy that the world is different to the Earth.
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Dr Ash Moreland
That's right. I did a live about it. Yeah. I mean.
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Dave Quak
Ended with me. I was like, okay, that makes sense now.
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Dr Ash Moreland
It makes sense, doesn't it? Oh, sorry. That was talking about how the mind is metaphysical and the brain is physical. And even though they're very closely interrelated, they're not the same thing. And people use world and Earth like they're interchangeable terms in not because your world is very different to my world.
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Dave Quak
Or that two.
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Dr Ash Moreland
Different people are in your world, different relationships, different biases, different perceptions, different values. Your world is different. And the thing that encourages me is that when people feel like they're living in a living hell, which is what I felt, it's encouraging to me to go, well, that's a metaphysical reality. It's not real in the physical, and we can change it, and your whole world can completely transform.
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Dr Ash Moreland
And that's that's what that scripture is talking about. So to your mind, renew the metaphysical and your whole life is transformed.
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Dave Quak
Yeah. So true. Do you still have to juggle, keeping your ADHD brain in order while doing all this? Like, is that still all the time?
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Dr Ash Moreland
Yeah, all the time. And also, I'm not medicated for anything. I used to have a lot of meds. I used to have a whole top drawer full of different diagnoses. And I've tried lots of different meds over the years, but in a healing has given me a capacity in my nervous system. But most of the time I'm regulated.
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Dr Ash Moreland
Yeah, there are times like I'm human. There are times when stress and fear and like even in my business, or in my marriage or whatever, there are times when I still feel these emotions and get overwhelmed by them. But I know that it's transient, and I know that I have the tools to be able to, first of all, recognize it.
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Dr Ash Moreland
Second of all, know what to do when it happens. And so medication for me, I felt. How do I say this? I felt less me I felt dull and something that is very meh is that I'm. I am highly energetic. I am highly excitable. I'm super creative. I'm all of these things. And I felt on medication, I was a bit flatlined.
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Dave Quak
Yeah.
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Dr Ash Moreland
And I didn't enjoy it. I found life a bit gray and boring. And so for me, learning, okay, the things that how can I work with my brain? How can I work with my biology to literally use this as my superpower, knowing that I still have weaknesses? You know, sometimes I have doom piles in my house. Sometimes I will completely just blank out.
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Dave Quak
What's a doom pile before you go on?
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Dr Ash Moreland
You don't know what a doom pile is.
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Dave Quak
No. What's a doom blow?
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Dr Ash Moreland
So it's like when you're in overwhelm and you just stack everything up. So I just end up with stacks of stuff. I'll just go, oh, I'm overwhelmed with all this stuff, and I'll shove everything in a bag, because if it's out of sight is out of mine, it doesn't exist anymore.
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Dave Quak
I've never heard that in my life.
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Dr Ash Moreland
Really?
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Dave Quak
I can beat you people.
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Dr Ash Moreland
Yeah, it's it's totally my thing. And that creates challenge with my husband, right? Because he really likes order and he likes things being clean and tidy and all that sort of stuff. So he now knows that a cue for me that I might be feeling a bit overwhelmed is the ADHD symptoms become very obvious.
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Dave Quak
Yeah.
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Dr Ash Moreland
But rather than being annoyed at me for not having picked my dirty clothes up off the floor for four days, or not having thought about dinner or whatever that might be, he will use that as a cue to go, ashes, be overwhelmed at the moment. What does she need? Because what happens is when my body goes into overwhelm, the front part of my brain shuts down, which is true for any human.
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Dr Ash Moreland
But that's where your executive function leads.
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Dave Quak
Yeah.
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Dr Ash Moreland
So I become a lot more dysfunctional ADHD when my nervous system isn't well managed, and also working with things like a shed recently about the neuroscience of the brain and how walking is a rhythmic task and it has heaps of benefits like it'll increase blood flow to the brain. It gives your body something to do, which means that your thinking creative mind can just execute okay.
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Dr Ash Moreland
It moves you out. So I have a walking desk, sorry, a walking pad under a standing desk. So the tasks that I really procrastinate on and I struggle to initiate, I struggle to complete, I will do those at the standing desk because it unlocks the front part of my brain just by walking.
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Dave Quak
So that takes a lot of self-discipline, because no one's around, no accountability. Yeah. And no one really wants to walk on one of those things. But you you do it because you see the great I.
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Dr Ash Moreland
Know that it's going to help me do the things, because if I didn't do that, I would just avoid invoicing forever. If I didn't do that, I would never respond to messages if I didn't do that. So it's like all the tasks that push me into overwhelm, and I don't have the capacity in my nervous system to tackle.
00:23:29:10 - 00:23:56:24
Dr Ash Moreland
Yeah, that's when I'll implement that strategy. Another strategy for me is I know for me personally and my biology, my brain is sharpest in the morning. So this morning I knew that I had to get some stuff done before I spent the day recording, so I got up at 530. I did probably eight hours worth of work between 530 and 8 a.m., and my brain was just on fire.
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Dr Ash Moreland
I had, you know, seven tabs open. I was task switching. I was doing all these different things all at once. While I was waiting for that thing. I was doing that thing over here, and I was massively efficient, like a complete freak. But if I tried to do that at 5 p.m., I would. I wouldn't even be able to do two tasks.
00:24:13:18 - 00:24:25:12
Dr Ash Moreland
You couldn't task it like that because I don't have, again, I don't have the mental capacity to or the nervous system capacity to be able to hold the processing power required to do it.
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Dave Quak
Yeah.
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Dr Ash Moreland
And so my advice usually for clients like a huge number of my clients ADHD, my advice to people usually is here's a whole like repertoire of tactics and strategies and and based on neuroscience and based on human behavior and based on performance and all this stuff. These are things that hypothetically could work for you. Give them a try and just see what does, like, I really suck at consistency with things.
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Dr Ash Moreland
I know that about myself.
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Dave Quak
00:24:58:14 - 00:25:07:16
Dr Ash Moreland
Like, I can't go on Mondays. I mop the floor and on Tuesdays I do this, and on Wednesdays I do the washing. And on Thursdays I clean the windows. I can't do that.
00:25:07:19 - 00:25:08:15
Dave Quak
Yeah.
00:25:08:17 - 00:25:17:21
Dr Ash Moreland
But I know that when I have that little wave of inspiration, I'm going to do six months worth of cleaning in probably about three hours.
00:25:17:21 - 00:25:19:13
Dave Quak
Yeah.
00:25:19:15 - 00:25:22:09
Dr Ash Moreland
And so just knowing how to leverage.
00:25:22:11 - 00:25:29:11
Dave Quak
That and being kind of yourself in it, you don't need to. The Wednesday washing window lady is exactly right.
00:25:29:11 - 00:26:02:06
Dr Ash Moreland
And so the analogy that I use is I used to beat myself up and feel like I was a weirdo in the world because I didn't have the right tools or the right skills, but actually my superpower is that I can achieve the same outcomes with different skills. Yeah, so if I was born with no tongs and I was cooking steak on the stove, do I just go, well, I guess I'll never have steak now because I didn't get tongs.
00:26:02:08 - 00:26:03:04
Dave Quak
00:26:03:06 - 00:26:20:10
Dr Ash Moreland
I wasn't born with tongs so I can't slip my steak. So I guess I just have to miss out. Yeah. It's my disability. Well no. What am I going to do. I don't seem to have tongs. I'm not missing out on the steak. I'm having the steak. That's non-negotiable. How could I flip the steak?
00:26:20:16 - 00:26:21:11
Dave Quak
Yeah.
00:26:21:13 - 00:26:30:24
Dr Ash Moreland
I could get a fork. I could use my fingers. I could do a pan flip the so many ways I could flip the steak. Yeah, I'm not actually disadvantaged for not having tongs.
00:26:31:02 - 00:26:31:16
Dave Quak
Yeah.
00:26:31:18 - 00:26:36:19
Dr Ash Moreland
It's just that the world says if you don't have tongs, you can't flip the steak. So I just forget about it.
00:26:36:21 - 00:26:37:18
Dave Quak
Yeah.
00:26:37:20 - 00:26:53:01
Dr Ash Moreland
So really encouraging people to go, where do I, discount myself? Where do I say I can't do that? Because, and then look at, well, if you could do it, what would that look like?
00:26:53:03 - 00:26:54:08
Dave Quak
Yeah.
00:26:54:10 - 00:26:55:08
Dr Ash Moreland
So empowering.
00:26:55:08 - 00:27:20:10
Dave Quak
So much because a lot of the crew who listen to this, well, with their own mental ill health and something I bang on about all the time is that it doesn't disqualify us from anything I even say. It doesn't disqualify us from any position in any church. And yeah, so I don't think it does. And you're living example, you know, you've got some ADHD going on and a PhD, you got a lot of letters I could.
00:27:20:12 - 00:27:23:12
Dr Ash Moreland
Collect a lot of ages and days.
00:27:23:14 - 00:27:32:21
Dave Quak
You know what I mean? That's the thing. Like I love your tongue analogy too. I don't have tongs, man, but I use I use my toes. I'll use something just to get it.
00:27:32:23 - 00:27:38:23
Dr Ash Moreland
And you'll get it done. And that's the thing that makes a difference. And I think the difference is one is empowered.
00:27:39:00 - 00:27:39:16
Dave Quak
Yeah.
00:27:39:18 - 00:27:47:01
Dr Ash Moreland
And when we bring that back to Christ, like God knew what he was doing when he was creating us.
00:27:47:03 - 00:27:47:19
Dave Quak
Yes.
00:27:47:23 - 00:27:50:21
Dr Ash Moreland
And if he wanted me to have tongues, he would have given me tongues.
00:27:51:00 - 00:27:51:15
Dave Quak
Yeah.
00:27:51:17 - 00:27:53:07
Dr Ash Moreland
But I'm way better without tongues.
00:27:53:07 - 00:27:54:07
Dave Quak
That's right.
00:27:54:09 - 00:28:05:18
Dr Ash Moreland
So that was so healing for me to be able to go, oh my gosh, you are so good. Yeah. Because if I was like that, I wouldn't have been able to do this, this, this, this this this this or this.
00:28:05:22 - 00:28:06:20
Dave Quak
Yeah.
00:28:06:22 - 00:28:25:16
Dr Ash Moreland
And people ask me all the time especially like if, if I could change anything, what would I change? My answer is nothing. It's a wild one to think about. But if we're unique abilities not this ability.
00:28:25:18 - 00:28:32:07
Dave Quak
That's right. And I think that's. Yeah, I think that's the cool thing. You can tell you enjoy being ash. And I know that.
00:28:32:07 - 00:28:34:02
Dr Ash Moreland
Sounds like I do now.
00:28:34:04 - 00:28:51:14
Dave Quak
Yeah. Like, yeah, maybe not ten years ago or whatever, but but in all humility, that's what we should all do. Like enjoy who we are, enjoy who God made us to be. You know, our quirkiness. Oh. Like how before you earn your own, how excitable you are. Because I love messaging you. Because it's like, hey, ash, are you gone?
00:28:51:20 - 00:28:59:05
Dave Quak
And then, like, the world's longest text comes back in literally lots of 10s with some exclamation marks and smile and say.
00:28:59:05 - 00:29:03:08
Dr Ash Moreland
Five to 10s or 5 to 10 days or weeks.
00:29:03:10 - 00:29:23:08
Dave Quak
Well, I got the five second version and then I'll be in the middle of replying. And another one as long as the phone will come back. But that's so contagious. Like it's so good being around you. I hate to say this, but we're going to start like winding up for people to get around you more. Ash. What's the best way to do it?
00:29:23:08 - 00:29:28:12
Dave Quak
What's what do you recommend for anyone who wants to start the process of working on all of this?
00:29:28:14 - 00:29:58:01
Dr Ash Moreland
Yeah, well, as I have an amazing team and I had a bit of a laugh the other day because they use all of my IP, all I've got hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of thousands of words. They use that to create the content on our socials. And I had to laugh the other day because I was like, oh my gosh, I just got reminded because I said the content that my team had put out in May and my little broken, wounded human self saw the content was like, oh my gosh, I needed that.
00:29:58:02 - 00:29:59:09
Dave Quak
That's was it was it.
00:29:59:09 - 00:30:20:22
Dr Ash Moreland
Was so good. It was it inspired me and also kicked me up the bat a little bit. But our social media so it's Remind Institute, it's got a little hyphen behind between read and mind. And also just the emails. Stop there. Even if you go not I don't want to spend money on this. Nope. I don't want to, like, do anything.
00:30:20:24 - 00:30:37:01
Dr Ash Moreland
Just get on the emails. And you can unsubscribe even if you don't like it or don't agree, that's absolutely fine. But it's just straight. Have in mind institute forward slash emails and then you got a whole menu there you can choose from.
00:30:37:05 - 00:30:37:22
Dave Quak
Yeah.
00:30:37:24 - 00:30:59:13
Dr Ash Moreland
And they're the key points. Like I really labored over that and thought what are the key things that my clients in all these different pillars have been their biggest challenges, their biggest struggles, their biggest questions. Because my answers and my perception is going to be different to what you've probably been led to believe previously.
00:30:59:18 - 00:31:09:12
Dave Quak
From other models. So typical. And you also speak itinerant speaker if anyone's chasing you to start speaking.
00:31:09:14 - 00:31:42:23
Dr Ash Moreland
Yeah. Yep. Speaking is something that I love as I was a lecturer for 12 years, so I speak on any of the pillars really. So but generally my preference is to do experiential speaking. So it's not just sage on the stage, but it's actually like we will do workshop style stuff. It will be transformational because it's when you ask probing questions and you take people on a journey to explore that in a world, people will walk out different to who they were when they walked in.
00:31:43:04 - 00:31:49:06
Dr Ash Moreland
And I think that's the most special thing, if they will if they are open to it.
00:31:49:08 - 00:31:53:12
Dave Quak
I'll make sure all the links to all of your things are in our show notes. Yeah.
00:31:53:13 - 00:31:54:00
Dr Ash Moreland
Do you have.
00:31:54:00 - 00:32:01:19
Dave Quak
Any last state sage on the stage wisdom for us before I get to the pray for us. Ash, do you have any last final thoughts?
00:32:01:21 - 00:32:03:04
Dr Ash Moreland
Don't give up.
00:32:03:06 - 00:32:03:19
Dave Quak
Yeah.
00:32:03:21 - 00:32:20:14
Dr Ash Moreland
If you think that you done, God's not done. And also, one of my biggest things that I use as encouragement every single day is God uses all things for my good. And if it's not good, it's not done. That's I just got goosebumps.
00:32:20:16 - 00:32:21:11
Dave Quak
That's good.
00:32:21:13 - 00:32:42:19
Dr Ash Moreland
I lean on that encouragement almost daily because life is a roller coaster. Marriage is a roller coaster. Parenting is a roller coaster. Being a business owner is a roller coaster. Yeah, and not everything feels good. All the time. But I'm always reminded that if something's happening is happening for my good, and if it's not good, it's not done.
00:32:42:21 - 00:32:56:10
Dave Quak
And I love it. So that's a great place. That's a great place to say to, to to end. Doctor Ash Mallen from the Remind Institute, are you able to pray for us as we finish up?
00:32:56:12 - 00:33:31:04
Dr Ash Moreland
It would be an absolute pleasure. So, father, I thank you for this opportunity to chat today and I thank you for Dave and his ministry. I pray that you open doors for his ministry, because this is going to open minds and open hearts and transform lives and help people to experience your love through this. So I also just want to pray for anyone listening who might be feeling lost, who might be feeling trapped, or might be feeling scared, or like they're a failure or whatever they might be feeling.
00:33:31:04 - 00:33:54:18
Dr Ash Moreland
Lord, if it's not your will, then I pray that you renew their minds. I pray them that you give them a fresh revelation of your truth, your uppercase T truth. Renew their minds, renew their hearts, give them eyes to see. Give them ears to hear. And Lord, I just thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you a million times over.
00:33:54:18 - 00:33:57:01
Dr Ash Moreland
And in your mighty name we pray. Amen.
00:33:57:03 - 00:34:23:02
Dave Quak
Amen. For more candid conversations on faith and mental wellbeing, check out sunburntsouls.com. You can subscribe to our podcast on any major provider or contact us directly to book us to preach or speak. Somebody that souls is a faith based ministry, and we want to thank everybody so far for their generous support. If you want to get behind us, pray our message reaches the ears of those that need to hear it.
00:34:23:03 - 00:34:32:22
Dave Quak
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