The Toxic Avenger

if if Courtney is here. I think she's here. Courtney are either can you hear me? We can hear you, but we can't see you. Hang on start video. Oh you know, fantastic, just another day. How the hell are you? Oh Courtney, It's good to see you again. I do want to say for the listeners out there, funny, weird,

a little coincidence. Back in October two nineteen, my best friend's sister was getting married and so in Hawaii, and so Caitlin and I went to Hawaii and while we were there, Courtney and her now husband were also vacationing there in the same hotel, the same hotel. Yeah, it was. It's wild. I think it was like right after your season, right, yeah, yes, right after Paradise. My now husband. We were walking down the beach and hughes he saw you guys. It's like,

I think it was Baby's like, no way. I was like, I was actually a little star struck. Oh my gosh, get out of heresy. I was like, were a picture. That's late. We got a picture at the end of at the end of the day. But it was funny because Kitlin I think recognized you as well, and she goes, I think that's Courtney. Uh. And I never really watched the show, so I was like, oh, I don't know, I don't know. And then eventually we were able to

introduce ourselves. But they sat. It was funny, the Lokal incident, so relaxed and just happy and it was it was great the same for you guys. So that was October nineteen. But in December nineteen, you guys got so so just for the listeners out there, breaking up down on this timeline, So you got engaged in December and then got married or was that you're married your wedding in Actually we got engaged in December and then we got married this

past October. But when we were in Hawaii is actually right around the time I conceived with our son, So a little a little tidbit there, we kin. We kind of was like we had talked about. It wasn't like a total surprise or anything for us at our age, where like it doesn't need to go, it didn't need to go on a certain order. Did you guys talk about kids before getting married. Yeah, so you guys were both on board of that. Huh yeah, it just happened

a little bit sooner than expected. Well that's so that's so funny that that was the trip that we potentially Joaquin was conceived. Yeah, yeah, that's the that's the date that it end up. And it was so you know, so nice for us dating. Um, you know, I've listened to your podcast, but like now you can't go anywhere, so I mean, that was one of our last big trips. He's here, Sorry, it might be up hearing him. He's changing him and take him for a walk. That's totally fine.

That is podcasting right there. Nice zooms. My dogs, as deancon a test bark probably every three minutes, so they're do right about now. Um, so corney. First of all, congratulations on getting married. So you got married in COVID COVID times back in October. We saw the pictures of People magazine. They look beautiful. What was it like? You know, so many of my friends got married during COVID and

it was so crazy and stressful. What was it like for you guys to know that you were going to plan a wedding and get married during times where people were quarantining. Yeah, you know, so we had started planning the wedding before COVID hit and so to posts were paid, everything was paid, and I was like, I think we should just go down to the courthouse, like let's let's

not and say we did. And everything was kind of nonrefundable and it's like I'm not only the money on the table, and so what we ended up doing we had eight five people on a guest list. We just had our immediate family. We had a small celebration. Um so it was kind of nice. I had, like I got the experience of planning a big wedding, which I found out like not for me. It was like so stressful. So at the end of the day it worked out perfectly,

but it still was stressful. I mean, the caterers were masks and um, Sedona was So have you been to Sedona? I think you have, Yeah, so I saw that you got married there. I love Sedona, especially in October. It's like the perfect time to be there, exactly. But so everybody was there because I think people are traveling and you can drive there, so it was our venue was so packed, so that was a little bit tricky to navigate, like we did our first looks just because of timing,

and they're like people gathering around. I was like, oh, I don't my dressed to get soiled or anything. So but it turned out to be nice. So glad it's over. Let honest, I gotta say, I gotta say, your husband looks great in his tuxedo. But I think the guy that really stole the show was Joaquin. Thank you, we kind of you. Thank you. The little baby tuxedo that thing kill I saw the picture of that and I was like, this is I mean totally he really did.

He was a perfect gentleman and it was so nice to have him there and our whole family have a good walk. I'll text you what I'm done. Yeah. Um, so Courney, we usually like to start, you know, our guests off with some Q and a's kind of get to know you a little bit. Obviously we know you from the Bachelor franchise Ben Flannic season. Um, were you on any other Were you on Bachelor Pad at all?

Or was it just Bachelor you know, Bachelor Paradise. They had contacted me for that and I was actually dating somebody that they liked at the time in Venice, so that didn't go over very well. Um, but I didn't really want to do it, to be honest with you, But Bachelor Pad was after my season. That was the last one they did. I think that was when Rachel Trueheart. Did you watch that the one? Yeah, I remember that.

I remember the first time I met Nick and he told me that story and I went back in YouTube and I was like, this is insane but also fantastic. Um. So there were girls from my season on that one. That was I think the last Bachelor Pad they did. I think it was as well. So Dean, just to let you know this guy, Nick Peterson, he was on

my season, my first season of Bachelor in Paradise. He so Bachelor Pad was like more of a competitive show before paradise came around where you could actually win money. So long story short, at the end, like the couple, Nick and somebody else had to choose to either share the money or keep the money. And if somebody chose to keep the money that then they kept it all to themselves and Nick chose to keep it and not share it. And it was like this huge controversy. It

was like its like on live TV. And Rachel was on My season four Things. I just like you saw her heart like instantly break was it was thinking it was a I think it was two fifty. It would have been a hundred twenty five each. I think, so he got to keep all of the two, isn't it? Is it? I think I remember seeing something. It's like if you if one person wants to keep it and in person says to share it, the person that keeps it keeps it. But if they both wanted eep it,

then no one gets the money exactly. So it's like scary if you keep it, because the better play would be, of course, to share it. If you both share it, you split it. But if you both keep it, then you're broth screwed. Did did they end up dating after the show or no. I don't even know if they were dating during the show. It was like they went on It was kind of weird. I remember, like the rules. I don't think they were like quote unquote dating. They

went on dates. And it was also very strategic, so it wasn't just about romance, like you had to strategize of like, oh, I'm gonna pair up with you and we're going to try to work towards this. It was like a combo of Bachelorette and Survivor. Um. You know, I've been watching a lot of Survival lately. I want to go on Survivor. I think that'd be fun. But yeah, that's that's for another conversation. Definitely did a show like

that back in the day. I did one in New Zeeland and I thought it was called what was the treasurer Island and you could win a million dollars and then you'd have to decide if you want to do it to charity or keep the money, which obviously I think a lot of people kept it. But we lived on an island on Fiji. On Fiji, I was the first one to go home. It was it was really really hard. It's really hard to live off the land, but it was like a competition style show. Yeah, it

was like a couple's competition style show. I actually did it with the Fear Factor Grand Champion. He was my friend in New Zealand. But how are you do you get angry? I mean, like you really like like day one of like not getting enough food, I was like, I'm losing my mind. I think I would be okay, But with all that stuff, you should do it. You

are made for that show. There's so the couple of seasons that I saw, there's a lot of like planning and manipulation and like strategy that go involved into it, and I don't think I would be so good at that part. I think I would go like I'd probably like the middle of the pack. I think at the end of the day. Yeah, I think the issue, like you said, you wouldn't be too much into the competitiveness of winning. You would just rather want to be in

the wilderness and enjoy yourself, like I think. When I mean, I think when it comes down to it, like when you're on those shows, you need to of course be able to live, uh, you know, without a roof over your head, but you also need to have some sort of competitive vantage where you are going to do certain things in order to win, and I don't think you have the personality for that, which is a positive. Dude, I'm out for blood. But I don't know that's another

here nor there. We'll save that for another time. Maybe if there's like a survivor casting producer listening to this, get me on a show, let's see it firsthand. But Courtney, like Jared was gonna say, I don't think we ever got We've got a couple of questions that we just want to ask you, just actually, but just as a group kind of like answer your questions. Yeah, what's on the docket. One of these conversations starting questions is what

famous couple would you want to double date with? M game this couple that I would want to double date with? Oh my gosh, she's stumped me. Do people fire this off really quickly? I think I would definitely like to go out with Oprah, but obviously like somebody like really funny would be good, like a comedian. What about you, guys?

This is a question I would have never anticipated. Know Honestly, I don't know if he's dating someone, but if Armie Hammer is with someone, that would be an interesting double date right now to have that conversation. Uh oh, to see if he would maybe want to filet your skin off and cook it in a frying pan. I'd be interested to see what he ordered. Well, I'm not gonna say, poor guy, obviously, I think he denied it. Though I think he's already like denied it. I mean, it's just

like cannibalism. I wonder if you'd order like a filet rare, don't cook it at all. Um, let's see, Like obviously, the first one comes to mind is someone like Ashon and Mila there. They seem super fun obviously out for me personally, of course, Tom and Giselle tom Brady and she's a bunch of I mean, that's just yeah, I'm surprised, it's like you so long to say that. I figured that would have been the first one that you're out.

There's a part of me though, that maybe wouldn't want to go on a double date with them, because I hold Tom Brady in such high esteem. I almost don't want to meet him because I just want to have this image of who Tom Brady is. I've gone back and forth in this even though I've never had the opportunity to meet him. In my head, I always prepare myself if that opportunity ever arises. So I go back and forth whether it would be Tom and Giesel. You

want to know what's what's funny about that? A little side no here is that kind of happened to me once. My Like my favorite musician growing up my entire life was this guy, Like I know every single one of his like three hard songs, every word of every song, um My my rob Tom. I thought, no, no, no, and uh. I met him in person a couple of times, and in fact, we we exchanged ems every once in

a while. And he's not like a dick or anything, but he's like not the interactions ever go as I've always kind of expected them to go, you know what I mean, And so it kind of like humanizes him a little bit and it knocks him down a couple of notches on the pedestal. But I don't know, Tom Brady, I don't know if that happened with you and Tom Brady. But what Tom Brady and just I'll eat what they're

doing because whatever they're doing is working. It's definitely he would order like spinache dry, not cooked at all with like a piece of chicken that has zero salt or pepper on it and it's just grilled to the like at fifty degrees for eighteen and a half minutes because it has to be cooked. Just thought Tom Brady had like a super weird diet, like he ate like a pine of ice cream, you know, the clickbait. I always getting sucker for that. And it was like, what's the

one thing Tom Brady won't eat? And It's like, okay, it was a tomato. It doesn't eat tomatoes. I was just about to say that. I was like, yeah, he doesn't eat you know it was a tomato. I do. I did know his DEBATOI also you have to realize, you know Boston's I listened to Boston Sports Radio every day, and like for the past twenty years, our lives have revolved around Tom Brady and so whether it be the relationship status on and off the football field, his diet.

Like I know a lot about Tom Brady's diet, and I'm not proud to say, but oh well, I just had somebody oh not to bring politics into it. Like I'm not saying one side or the other, but I would say I would love to double date with Barack and Michelle, Like that would be what I was about to say. I'm currently reading his memoir. I swear I was gonna say, Barack and Michelle, Jared, you stole mine, you cheat? Or how did you know? I was going

to say that? I just read your mind. You know that's when when we when you call us the podcast with someone for so long, like I can get I can see your reaction, and I look at your eyes and I'm like, you about say the Obama's and I have to jump in before he does so I can steal his good idea. All right, well before we just before I get too angry and just dwell on this any longer. Next question, what is the nicest thing that your significant other has done for you lately? So Ashley

Caitlin embartto done for us lately? What is like We'll start with Courtney, Like, what was like the last I mean, I'm sure he does nice things for you all the time, obviously, but like, what's like the one thing that stands out to you that happened most recently? You think, well, today we actually have a little date today. Um, they were doing some work in the house. I had to get a house for your details. But he planned a trip for us for our Valentine's Day. Yeah, he got somebody

to watch the baby. He's got it all lined up, and I was like pleasantly surprised. It was like, yeah, it's hard to travel right now, but just a quick twenty for our trips. So he does a lot of awful things like that. I mean, like on the daily level, he lets me sleep in and he does the morning shift with the baby, and like, I'm a person who needs an extra hour of sleep, and that kind of like he'll say, like, oh, take your time in the shower once. You'll see once you have kids, it's like

your showers are quick. So those little things like me in the world to me, how much sleep did you get the first month of having a child? What should I prepare myself for? Not sued. I don't know if you go with interrupted sleep, but we actually did baby wise, like a sleep um schedule, like you wake him up every three hours and you feed him, and the goals to get him to sleep for twelve hours a night, and he is so he sleeps for twelve hours, um, but you wake up every three hours. You said an

alarm and it's like he's still sleeping. You gotta wake the baby up to feed him. So but it works. So are you the type person that can wake up and immediately go back to sleep. No, my wheels are up. I'm like, oh my gosh, I gotta oh laundry, gotta did this, or like exactly you know, sometimes there's anxiety. Oh yeah, I have some calming techniques, but like if I have to get up to p and the mill and night, it's like usually like two hours I'm up

and my husband snoring, the baby sleeping. I'm like, what's wrong with this picture. I'm also the type of person where if I know I have to wake up like super early the next day, you know, whether it be catch a flight or whatever. Even if I had to wake up a four thirty, like, I can't sleep because all I could think about is not oversleeping. Oh I have nightmares about missing flights on a nightly. But I won't hear what you guys? What your significant sweeties? What

do you got? Why don't you go first? Oh? I was just gonna say, Cailin made me dinner last night. That was very kind of her. She made me just a nice plate of roasted vegetables. Yeah, it was delicious. It was healthy, nutritious meal. Also, also, this is like, it's kind of like a nice thing that she did for me in like a weird way. I told her that I was going to play golf this morning. I told her this last night, and I think it was really nice of her not to be like, not to

like press me on it. You know, She's like, Okay, cool, go have fun. So I thought that was really nice. What's the nicest thing, Ashley? I mean, ash does nice things for me every day. She does nice things for me. She's in the other room and want to make sure she heard that. Let's see, Oh, she maybe did the last night too. She may be, uh, she may be a nice garden salad a mix of kale and spinach. Tom Brady special with dude, stop stop Jared, you stop

stealing my answers. Man, you gotta start having your own answers. First it was Brock and Michelle. Now you're stealing the dinner thing, all right. She also made me a hot Courtney and I are sick of this. She made me a hot chocolate. It was very special. So it was a really thick batch of milk, chocolate, hot chocolate, and she put some whipped cream and marshmallows and then drizzled it with some caramel syrup and just made it with

some love, you know. And then she let me watch you know, she lets me watch Wheel, Fortune and Jeopardy every night. That's very nice because I really get into it. And that's I know, you know, it's the small things, really, especially when you're married as Courtney. And one last question before we wrap this up and get into it with Jared's buddy Jake Ellis, And it's kind of in tune with the first question here, but these are Jared's questions. By the way, he wrote these before the show started.

It says, if you were stranded on a desert island with another couple friend, who would be best and why? And I don't really understand what they mean by another couple friend, but I'm assuming it's like a double date on a desert island to survive. Who would it be for me that I would take my best friend and her husband, Amy Dean. She was a producer on The Bachelor and about it. You guys might have met her at some point, but she's super savvy. I'd take her.

She would help you. She would help you, guys, survives what you're saying, Oh yeah, totally. She's super savvy and she's not a complainer, Like I don't do well with complainers, so right, she'd just be funan, I gotta be honest. You and Calin are one of the first to come to mind because you're so earthy, like you're one with nature.

I feel like if I was stuck in a desert island, I would need somebody who who could show me which plants to eat, how to cook my own meals, how to catch build a shell up there, build start a fire. And also you're very sweet and so like, if God forbid we did need to go to the cannibal route and eat someone, I feel like you would say, hey, guys, I would offer myself up. And you're pretty you know, you're six what a six four? You know, so like

you know you could last a couple of weeks. Maybe I think this is a good hopefully, hopefully it will be okay with like starting with like a leggerant arm, you know, like maybe I don't have to kill myself first, but I would just like be uh amputee at the at the very like least, no, you just want to die, You wouldn't want to pain. Um. I think I would bring Let me think who I would bring here. Maybe

like Ben and Jess. I feel like I feel like that would be a good couple to be on a desert island with for the same reasons Jared would want to be on an island with me, because I think Ben and taste really good honestly, so I think at the end of the day, that would probably be the best choice. All right, well, courney, uh, we're gonna move

on with Jake, so stick Obviously you're sticking around. You're gonna be here for the whole episode of us UM, but you're not done answering some stupid questions because we're gonna have plenty of stupid questions for you. So well, I want you to sit tight, but I want our listeners to sit tight as well, because we're gonna take one quick break and then we're gonna jump into um

having Jake on here, So stay tuned. Will be back, all right, welcome back to help I suck at dating Jared here Dean of course, and we have Courtney Robinson as well. She's gonna be here the entire podcast. We also have a very special guest joining us from all the way from Down. I'm not. I don't know why I say it like that. Buddy of mine. We were on Bachelor and in Prioritise Australia together, but of course he was also on the Bachelorette Season two of Australia.

My buddy, Jake Ellis, Jake, how the hell are you? I'm good, I'm good. Thanks for having me a long time coming. I know. I said you're going to be on this podcast for a while and finally we got you here. Now we just gotta get you on the American version of Paradise. That would be uh, that would be an experience. I think I've walked on two seasons now in Australia, so I think I'm I think I'm prepped.

I'm ready to go. Yeah, you're ready to go. Uh So, of course everybody knows you from Down, Bachelor in Paradis Australia, Bachelor Rette. Um oh, Dean, where you guys? Says them? Oh no, I'm so sorry. I was just looking up the fellow cast members from his Bachelorette season and uh, you know Courtney Dolber. Yeah, yeah, very well, very well, you guys been friends since he moved over there. Well, I love Delver, he's the man. Yeah yeah, yeah. Obviously I haven't said I think he was stuck in Mexico

for the Wall, wasn't he. Yeah, he's like working doing some TV thing. But he's back up in California now. I think he's officially homeless living in his van. But uh, but he loves that stuff exactly, him and Sam. Him and Sam are doing it together, so I think they're happy doing that. But it's it's it's pretty crazy, like it's such a obviously, such a small world. The whole um it's a Bachelor Nation. I think that's a much bigger Yeah, it's um, yeah, it's crazy. It's fun though.

Uh yeah, man, I remember the first time, so when I went down to Paradise, you and I became really close, and uh, dude, the first thing that like struck me from Bachelor in Paradise. Every guy there, I'm not joking. It's got to be like six three six four at the shortest. I looked like I was five four on that show. When watching it back, I'm like, you know, I'm six ft. I'm not a short dude by any stretch. But I realized when I get what the hell is

that supposed to mean? Six ft? Otherways? Don't remember being sixtight? How told do you think I was? I thought you were like five eleven. Shut the hell out. He's in my two inch box to be specific, that's true. No, well I guess you just you know you're in a group full of tool guys. Well I'm six four. Everyone else in our season was yeah, I think they went all the way out just like six seeks. Oh dude, I realized quickly. I was like, none of these girls want to be like, none of them are gonna want

to go on dates with me. Here comes like some American shrimp. As they're just walking around, like I realized, like Australian girls down there they want like big beefy dudes. And here comes like a guy who tries to look like a backstreet boy, like, hey, you guys want you guys want to go on a date with me? Who is like who wants to have some fun? Huh? Did you walk in singing Backstreet boys to me? Remember? I mean, if I was, that was definitely unintentional, and I was

singing it to myself yeah, his comfort song. Jake, I've got some questions for you. So I didn't get a chance to watch Bachelor in Paradise Australia with with Jared and you on there, but the rundown I have here that you were painted as the bad boy contestant. So tell me, I want to know why. What was the

bad boy persona? Well? Look, yes, well season one of Paradise, so when I obviously was straight after my season of the Bacherette where I look, I finished third in that and I was sort of painted as the family you know, the nice guy, which which I am very much so as this don't jump into yet. But then yes, on Paradise, I think I had the first date and I took someone on a date and got quite romantic and looked

at that girl gave me her rose. And then in TV Land it was obviously what you guys know as well that it seemed like it was the very next day, um and another girl walked in who ended up being my my ex girlfriend, my girlfriend, and it was obviously my turn to give the rose. So I sort of just kick the other girl off off Paradise and give it to me it but the country hated that I

was Jake the Snake, that was my nickname. So what did it feel like to be like start off like everybody loves you and then getting heat and then you ultimately rebounded because then everybody fell in love with you again once you and Megan had your romance. But what was that like? Because Courtney, who's on here? Courtney was on I forget what season was, but she ended up winning The Bachelor, but Corney got villainized, and then Corney went on to write a book called I Didn't come

here to Make Friends. Confessions of a Reality Show Villain. So what was it like for you guys to be kind of villainized for a little while? Um, Like, it definitely took a bit to get used to. I think, you know, obviously our demographic and have big bachelory here is in Australia, is nowhere near one of these over there in the States. Like obviously you know Courtney must you must have dealt with it so much more. It

was like us Weekly. I was on the cover. It was like me and Eater, and uh, it does just go away, you know, like time really does kind of same now I don't really, I'm sure you guys gets for pictures and stuff all the time. It's very few and far between, but I mean it didn't feel good. I'm like, I don't know. I felt like I was like in a microscope and everyone was judging me, and

you know, it's just this a weird thing to go through. Yeah, definitely, people say like awkward things to you, Like they are like, come up now, like you don't seem that bad, And I'm like, like, you know that I think was tricky to navigate. I don't know if you guys deal with that ever, Like people are awkward when they want to meet you and they come up and like, I get

it a lot. Once Ashley and I started dating, I got a ton which I knew I was going to get flak for it because you know, for years it made it seem that like, and to a certain extent it was true that I was the one refusing to be in a relationship with ash and she was just like completely ready seven. So when we got into a relationship, I knew like people were going to think that I was like only doing it because I was jealous or

had alternative motives. But um, I remember people coming up to me and they'd be like Ashley, I love you so much, Jared. I hated you for so long, but now you guys are together, so I like you and I'm like, you can go yourself, and it's very nice meeting you as well. It's so awkward, right then, what do you You're like, this is a compliment, like, oh man,

but that just kind of fades away. And Jake the snake, I mean, I was like they called me, like the girls that were calling me like a black widow and all kinds of yeah, I know, and now I can laugh at it, but at the time I was with the guy too, and I think for me it was more just like embarrassing, Like I don't know about you guys, Like I'm very easily embarrassed, and there was a lot of embarrassment that came with it, like with being the villain.

And now I can own up to it, but especially with the guy that I was with, Like I was just like, oh, this is embarrassing. You know well, and Court you were you were saying that that might have been like a kind of a thorn in your guy's relationship too. You think, like the fact that they did sort of like villainize you on the show at least when they were airing the show. I think we would have had a much better shot if we had like

a story book. I think that would have It was really hard for him, um And I think he kind of started to he was getting it in the media and people were like, why did you pick her? She seems awful, and so that was like an insecurity of mine. Um. But yeah, I think we probably could have made it work if that if we had a different I think they could go back and redo our season and make

it look like how they deal with some people. Um, and people would be shocked because they had I know they had the like heartfelt interviews from me, they just really didn't show any of them. So they decided to pick you as like the villain, and they're like, all right, we're sticking to our guns and we're just gonna make it like paint her as bad as we want to

do it. We just kind of it's kind of mess up that they have that ability and like that power to do that sort of thing to help you interpret, uh, like things negatively, Like with Jake, dude, you literally did nothing wrong. And Corney same thing with you pretty much, and Dean you made your mistakes, but like it was all just from you, like acting from you, like making decissions with your heart. It wasn't like you were intentionally being malicious. But like Jake, I remember you in Paradise.

You literally just liked a girl more and gave her your rose instead of this other girl. And people are like, Jake the snake, Are you still with the girls? She still with the girls? No? We m we split up probably a couple of months ago. Said together for three years, but we still split up probably four or five months ago, um, which is like a whole other story. But oh my gosh,

how's that going. Yeah, it's been it's been difficult. Um. Like obviously, as I said, you know, you guys deal with it a lot more and technically than than what we do over here. But you know, like reality to that, he's really taken such a big lape in the last few years, and you know it was a lot of pressure even on us to stick together. Like we went through some tough times. You know, obviously lived my life the last four years in front of the Bachelor World

and I lost with my parents the last three years. Um, you know, just been through a lot of heartache and a lot of lord of paying a lot of difficult situations and that just added so much stress to our relationship. Yeah, and then add on top of the media and everyone knowing your business or wanting to know your business, and it just unfortunately just didn't didn't work out for now.

It's not the right time. But look, I know I love her, um, if I'm being honest, and that's that's something that's still real, but it's just not We're just not right for each other unfortunately. Yeah. Well, and you guys, you guys called it quit kind of in the middle of this whole quarantine or a pandemic. It seems like great. Yeah, so you know, we've been pretty lucky over here. As I was telling you guys before, it hasn't been as intense and you know, in lockdowns and sort of separation

and all that kind of stuff. But yeah, it's definitely out of stress. Um. But look, you know, I wish that nothing but the best, and I hope she'd finds happiness. And yeah, I think, you know, obviously that's what everyone wants and that's what I want as well. Listen to me, almost, I'm grown up, You're so mature. I'm shore, I'm blown away by the maturity here. It's just a long way from Jake the snake apparently. But I well, let's let's um, let's let's expand on that a little bit. Let's talk.

Let's talk about like our own toxic traits that we might have, like Jake, uh, Courtney, Jared and myself, Like, what kind of things do you think we do that could be labeled as toxic, like if you're looking at it from the outside, like like if we had Megan on here, or if we had Courtney, you're you got engaged to it was Ben, right, Yeah, So let's say we had let's say we had our exes on here, right, and they were like, all right, what toxic traits do we have? What do you think they would be? Well?

I think I think with Bachelor, like, we're all pretty lucky that we got to go through this experience because it really for me personally, Uh, it started making me more self aware of certain flaws I had because you start talking a lot through a lot, more through things, where before I would just procrastinate or push things off

for never really just opened myself up. So I think, like looking, you know, within my own relationship now and then looking at XS, I guess like a toxic thing I have is that I always, I definitely, unintentionally maybe

a little bit lead people on. Note not in a malicious way, but like I for in a great example is one time, uh, and this happened a couple of times where I would go on dates with girls and like one of my strengths is I feel that I make a decent first impression because I really like to, you know, ask people questions and and get to know them more. And so I would always I feel like on first dates, dates would always go well. But I'm such the person where I'm like, you know, if if

I'm not into it, then like it's over. And I never really go on a second day. And I would always keep people out of arms distance. And I feel like that's a toxic characteristic to have because then it would like kind of lead people on a little bit without letting them know what went wrong or give them any closure. And like one time a girl texted to me and this is she like reamed me out about how I never gave her a chance and I'm going to die alone because I refused to commit to anybody.

And I was like, you know, she's not wrong. But now I'm married, so it all worked out. It all worked out at the end of the day. What about you, guys, fest Okay, Well, I mean things, I've totally what you said, Jared, like since the show. I mean, I've really done a lot of work on myself. I got a life coach and um, not that I won't go down that that conversation, but I mean I think I've worked on really being

less reactive. Um, that's something that you know, I think that got me in trouble a lot on the show, whereas like what is the famous three words Wait a minute, you know, So I've really worked on like okay, just pump the brakes, um, don't overreact or anything like that. So um, but I think communication in the relationship. That's something that I like, if something's bothering me, like I don't necessarily bring it up right away and then I'll

boil over. So those are things that I've really worked on. But so you're not no toxic traits anymore. Those are all in the past. No, I definitely do. I definitely get a little evy um, but yeah, toxic traits, I mean, well, no, I'm married too, so coming in. Actually he's coming with the baby. He's probably sleeping in. I like, I like my sleep. That's a boring one. I don't think. I don't think. I don't think those are so bad. That's

not too toxic. If those if those are the worst things about you, I think that you're doing pretty well for yourself. I'm trying. I'm trying to work on being more president right now. You know, with social media and distractions, I think, sure for me, just like an unattractive equality, but I'm like totally guilty of it. Were you ever the type person that would check your boyfriend's Instagram like or ever like look into their phone? Oh my god. One night I was a little sassy and I was like,

who are all these girls are? Probably you know, like and he's like the people that I know because when we together we were like on any accidents, it was kind of like you're coming with me and kind of put you know, kai bash on like friendships and stuff like that. Oh yeah, I had one my close friends, her her boyfriend, her ex boyfriend now used to follow like all these random like Instagram models that would just post pictures of their butts and like he'd always liked them,

and always it was always like you're not doing anything. Yeah, it just doesn't you shouldn't be doing that, Like, don't do that. You know my friends married. She's like I was looking at I were talking about that social media and all this stuff, and she saw a picture of Kata Upton and her husband had liked it. I was like, heard of bikini and just like what that's pretty funny, Jake, what about you? What do you think here's some toxic qualities about you? I mean not that you have any,

but just try to find one. Yeah, thank yeah, thanks, it's a good try. I love a good it's always good. Um, toxic trites, I think, Yeah, obviously I've done I've done three shows now. I think I've gone from being a little bit immature in relationships when I sort of first started UM and then definitely learned it the hard way, Like going through the show. Obviously everything is so magnified and you really you have to really take a look

at yourself and what your shortcomings are. I guess like I'm a pretty passionate person in a relationship and I always have been. Um, I think toxic traits. I don't listen probably you know in the heat of the moment or if if it's a serious conversation or it's a bit of conflict. Like you know, I feel like I just go one way you're going out. That's a good quality, yeah, like not and it's not intentional. But I think that I just I blindly lead with emotion at times and

not rationality. Um, you know, it could be such a small issue and just blows into this big thing and I don't mean it too and then you know, after the fact, I sort of rethink about it and I'm like, oh, yeah, well I sort of overreacted there and handled that differently and stuff like that. But is that a toxic trait? I don't know if it's toxic. Well, not listening isn't probably the best not not listening, Like, of course I listened, but I think maybe I just have selective hearing in

those sort of moments. Um, and I always have to win the argument, Like I just I feel like I'm very competitive. That's sort of in a nutshell, But look, that's I feel like I've grown a lot and I've sort of learned my lesson And you know, look when I fell in love with Megan, when we got together, that was probably the first time I've actually been in love, so it was very new to me and look exciting and you know, nerve racking. Like I know, I did find myself being a bit jealous at times, which is

not usually my character. So, um, I think a little jealousy is always good. That a little healthy jealousy, ye good. At times it was a lot like that. But then obviously being in such a public guy like, I feel like everything's a bit amplified, and um, you know now that I'm I think I'm the only single person on this podcast right now, Daniel, are you married to yet

or not yet? Yep, yep? Married? Huh yeah, I'm married. Yeah. See, I feel like every one of your toxic traits have turned into marriage, so that right by the world, and I'm just recently single again. Um but yeah, getting there, getting there. What do you gota doing when I'm I'm interested? Yeah, I think that everything I'm gonna say is is basically in tune with every what everyone else is saying. I think my my biggest toxic trait that I possessed now.

So it's kind of funny because actually, when you were telling your story about how you went from like this beloved character from the Bachelorette to this like quote unquote bad boy in Paradise because you dumped a girl and started dating some other girl who you ended up dating for three years and you were still abled as to

the quote unquote, that's mind blowing to me. I had a similar journey where I was like the uh, Like everyone felt bad for me on the Bachelorette and they like liked me, and then I went a Bachelor in Paradise and I made a few mistakes and then I was like crucified because of it. Um, I've done a

lot since then. That was like three years ago. But my biggest toxic trait that I possessed now, I think would be that I'm incredibly stubborn, And to Jake's point, like I feel like I kind of always have to be like in you know, whether it's like an argument or a conversation or whatever, and and that my stubbornness really shines through a lot, like, um, if you tell me not to do something that I want to do or something, then I'll like make sure to do it

even like bigger and go harder and like make sure it's a point they're making, Like I'm doing this. I'm doing this okay. Uh. And I'm sure if you ask Kalin about that, she probably wouldn't be too too happy about it. But I can be I think you can air on the side of selfishness a little bit too with my time. Like, you know, if I want to go play golf with some friends, but I have like some work to do around the house, I'll probably like forego of the housework to go play golf with my

friends kind of thing. So, yeah, that's not toxic. That sounds like a good friend if you were asked. I think if you were asked Kalen that, I think she'd be like, yeah, Dean plays way too much golf. He doesn't, you know, fulfilling his responsibilities around the house. There's a

bunch of shells that haven't been out to Yeah. I say it all the time to Kyl and she's always like, dude, you have to like do these things, like I need to mount these things, like mount these things on the wall and all this stuff, and like listen, like the house is still gonna be here. We don't need those things mount on the wall. Like that's just like a that's like a like an auxiliary thing. It doesn't really matter, and I don't know those are toxic traits on my end,

but we're working on him. At the end of the day, I think that's all we can really hope to do is just kind of improve on a regular basis. And Jake, it sounds like from from the like the little rundown that I was given on you, like, uh, you were saying how you used to like to go clubbing and like you like to be kind of more in the spotlight, but you've been doing a lot of more like philanthropic work and like you know, doing a lot more stuff that has been outside of that, which I think is great.

And I think that that kind of boils down to like character development and personal growth, which is which is great. Yeah, I definitely. I Look, I'll be the first trap, you know, first coming off the bats Ratt and being thrown into that world and obviously, like I was single, and look, I had fun and you know, I was a new experience and you know I was quite young. A will be younger than I am. Yeah, Um, you know, I

think everyone does eventually grow up. But I feel like I've I've just done that in the public art that you know, one season about Thrett and then two seas of paradise. You know, it's it's um, it's interesting to sort of watch back and see how far I've come, I think. And of course, yeah, I was like your mentor, a hot man and a mentor in in Fiji when we first met, and I was like Jake's guardian angel. I was literally in Paradise for two full weeks, which,

as you guys know, is like seven rows ceremonies. I didn't kiss a girl. I went on like one day. I truly don't know how I made it that far and throughout the entire time you went on the date with my eggs. Well, I did go on a day with Megan. Listen, he's taken that out of context. It was when I first got there. I didn't know any of the girls. I may have been like, yeah, I mean she's a great girl. Great girl. Uh not anymore though, obviously I think you guys should fight each other. No,

Jake would win. I don't. I don't. Okay, wait, before we before we get Jake out of here, I got some rapid fire yes or no questions for you guys on whether you think these are toxic or not. Okay, all right, so we'll be right back with some emails and rapid fire. All right, welcome back to help I suck at dating. As Dean said, we have some rapid fire questions. We stall have Courtney, Jake and me here obviously. Uh so, Dean, you want to get through these some

of these rapid fires. Yeah, go ahead and read them for well, let's have Courtney and Jake just give a quick yes or no on whether they think they're toxic or not. All right, here we go. All right, so the first one, and Dean you have to answer this too. We're all going to answer them together. We're one big help suck army family here. All right. Having the passwords to a significant others or x's accounts and you check them pretty frequently, have you done this toxic? Yes? That's toxic.

I think having the passwords, having the passwords is not toxic, but checking it frequently is toxic. Does your partner the past or is this something? No, you're sneaky, sneaky that's toxic. Ye, sneaky sneaks is toxic? All right? What about checking your partner's location when they're not with you or have told you where they were going didn't have, so we check out where were, you know, just for safety? Right. Well, so I have I have my location shared with Kaitlin,

and she has her shared with me. Uh, And I like, I don't really ever check her location. But I don't. I don't think she ever checks mind. But there was one time we were in Las Vegas visiting her grandparents and I like stopped at a casino on my way home to gamble for like an hour or two. Uh. And I didn't And I didn't tell her. I always doing that. I mean I had I had to do it. I didn't tell her iways doing that. And I got back to her grandparents house and she goes, she goes, hey,

why are you so late? And I was like, oh, there's a really bad traffic. And she goes, oh, oh you didn't go to the casino. And I go, wait, how did you know what was at the casino? And she told me she checked my location. I don't think it was toxic. I think she was just more like, okay, where is he? Like, why is he taking so long? Sort of thing. Quick funny story about Dean. A couple of weeks ago, he was not found on that he was late to the podcast and we didn't know what

was going on. And then we realized that Dean shared his location with one of our producers, and we mark and we found out that he was on a golf course. So we texted him and said, hey, why don't you go to the clubhouse and record from there? And Dean's like, clubhouse, what are you talking about? And he's like, you're sharing your location. I see that you're on a golf course. And he's like, that's another toxic trade. I had, Like, all right, another toxic or not checking up on an

X through social media or text. Example, Happy New Year, Happy Birthday, you send them I miss you text? So checking up on an ex through social media or texting them toxic or not toxic? I think you're single. It's like, hey, why not? But I don't do that? Yeah, Jack, do you ever send Megan I miss you text? That's a big question now for having for a while, having for a little while I drunk out. No, I'm actually shocking with my phone when I'm when i'm drunk or i'm drinking,

I just don't even look at it. But that's a really good thing. That's definitely not like a bad thing too. But I think the happy birthday and Merry Christmas if you are with a new partner, I think that's okay. I think, but like definitely not sitting like and I missed you to an X when you have a new

partner or a new relationship, that's that's not good. What about fly by Instagram stuff because I do get some of that stuff, you know, people do that fly you know, like the emojis you can react with, Like, I think that should be included in the question. I think like reacting doing excess Instagram post you guys, Yeah, that's I think.

I Well, my thoughts on it are I will personally, although I am like friendly with all my exes, I would I would ever text any of them like Merry Christmas or Happy New Year, or I wouldn't even really ever react to any other Instagram stories. But that's just me. I think everyone's different. I don't think there's a right or wrong answer to that. Yeah, I agree with Dean, like, I don't know if it was like a random happy New Year, happy birthday like that sounds kind of fishy.

But I will say there are circumstances where you have to reach out to your ex for example, I actually thought about reaching out to my ex recently because there's a mutual friend that just got a bad diagnosis with health and I was and I only met this person through my ex, and so I was like, do I reach out to them to be like, hey, I don't know if you I don't know, I just felt weird not telling you about this, so or if you probably knew or just wanted to, I don't know, So like

that's been going through my head recently. But the only way I'd reach out is if I get Ashley's permission. So I think that's kind of the caveat on those That is the correct answer. Thank you, guys, I appreciate it. How about how about if you guys, get in a fight with your significant other and then they start giving the silent treatment or like ignoring phone calls or text messages. Is that toxic? That's why too much? Do you say?

I've experienced that? Why too much? And it does my head in, like it just drives me inside, Like, so you get the silent treatment? Don't like affected onto you? Yeah? I just like I understand so arguments and you know, obviously has their own way of dealing with it. Cooling Diana. But I wouldn't say that's toxic. It's just extremely annoying, slightly immature. I think, yeah, and I just you know, I get more frustrated. I'm like, why do you applying? Like what did I And then it's just just yeah,

maybe it's just me, but it's so annoyed. It's definitely not just you. It's super annoying. Yeah, I got good. That's good. I'm relieved. So yeah, I would say toxic, like come on, now you can you know, if you're in a relationship, you just you need to communicate, Like I get it. If one thing where like one partners like I need space and the other person will not

allow that space, that's one thing. But if you guys are like arguing and then you give them the silent treatment, would be five years old, Like come on, in the middle of the argument, I would I don't even want to think about that. I would lose my mind. Somebody would really say I have guilty. I mean, I we lived together, obviously, so I've been guilty of that for a little bit, but not like huffing around the house.

But just like if something happens or there's a conversation like I need time to process it and like kind of see you know what I mean, Like I've done that. There are times where I don't necessarily like give him the siki the silent treatment, but I'm like, hey, I'm gonna leave for a week, get back kind of like golf course for a way. That's way worse than the silent treatment. Like but it's not it's not like it's not like I'm doing it's like prove a point or anything.

I'm just like, look, I just need to get I need to be by myself for a week, not like the way from you, but just like away from everything for a week. One of my that's that's how I get to I'm like, I just need like a moment. One of my favorite traits about our relationship, my relationship with Ashes that we talk through everything and we never get in to blow up arguments because we have great

communication skills. But I've had situations in the past. Holy like I'm with you, guys, dude, the silent treatment is the worst because then you guys go your separate ways.

I'm still pissed as as hell, so I'm just like fuming in my own mind and then like you see the person an hour later as you're walking by them like you're in a western about to pull your gun and be and because you're still mad and like you're not going to be the first person to apologize because you've been ignoring each other for hours and it's just like so awkward. God, I do not miss those. I don't miss those anyway. All right, what else we got?

Let's see? Next one is, uh, what about calling someone hot in front of your significant other? So, I mean that's pretty self explainatory. What do you guys think toxic or not toxic? Because a little bit toxic, just a little bit. I think I think it really depends how you say it, Like if you're like wow, like I like, if you're like consinuating you want to hook up with them, super toxic, but um it is human. Well it's natural, right, you know it kind of it kind of goes both

ways for ways. For me, Like if Caitlin and I are watching a TV show or something, I'll like I'll say like, oh, that girl is really pretty, or I'll be like, wow, that guy is super hot. Like I'll definitely like just point out attractive people guy or a girl that's good. Keep it even yeah, and maybe maybe I do the guys just to make it clear that I'm just like, you know, pointing out attractive people, pretty girls.

He's on the patio, but I'll do that with girls and he'll say something like, well, I don't know, our hair is a little more. I'm like, he's super respectful, always plays, he never takes the day. Ever, I think doing it. I think pointing somebody on a TV show

in passing is like I think that's toxic. I think that's just like, yeah, like obviously everything as human attraction is normal, but I think doing it in front of your partner, like if someone is standing directly in front of you, like, wow, um, very nice to meet you. Very That's definitely the only thing I can relate to

is when we're watching Bachelors. So when Ashley watches it with her sister, they get like super you know, chit chatty about it, and so they'll just be like, oh my god, he's he's hot, he's or like he's like they'll say he's sexy, and I'm like, okay, that's enough of that one. You can't say somebody's sexy. And then they'll be like no, no, no no, we're not saying it like, we're just saying it as like because we like looking

at that person's face. So for example, I was like, Okay, then I'm going to say who's sexy on the Bachelor. And she's like, no, no, no no, no, you can't do that because men are gross and you're visualizing like a more gross situation with them, where us as women are only looking at their face and how you know, beautiful their faces. And I was like, this is the most double standard conversation I've ever had in my entire life. This is ridiculous. So that's the only so I think

it's toxic. It's all toxic. Don't say someone's hot in front of your in front of your partner. Yeah yeah, I feel like you just go put in your place. You like, no, Jared, shut up, bro, you've met my wife. I'm always put in my place. That's like my constant, my constant state of place is being put in my place. All right, let's do one more and then we'll jump

into emails. So the very last one is what about is it toxic or not to create fake accounts to stock or message your significant others to quote unquote text test them. That's crazy. It's crazy and that's crazy and toxic. That's exactly right. Do you test them? Like? Uh? My assumption with that is like you make like the like in your case, so you make the account of like a hot dude with washboard abs and then you start d m ng your significant other to see if they'll

like take the bait and like flirt back. You know, that's that's weird. Has that has that amount of time to question? Yeah? No, I I wish I could take credit for it creating critic accounts. I yeah, I don't know anybody who has a fake account. That seems pretty intense. I've done that when I was younger, like a fight, not like a fake account with actually photos, but it was like a like a burner account. Yeah, I just like it was a long time ago. Was literally did

check up on the next years and years ago. So I'm guilty of that, but not put me out photos of and stuff like that. Maybe I should just shut up. I think that. I don't know, I think you should keep going. I think this more pertains to like a burner account, like you just create an Instagram account because like someone blocked you or I don't get the test part. Yeah, like, are you are you trying to entrap your your boyfriend or girlfriend? I wonder if actually don't know me. I

don't know, but I'll tell you what. Let's move Let's move on to emails. I think that I think we can all agree that's pretty toxic. But let's get into our very non toxic listeners email. I mean, I'm assuming they're on toxic I guess, um, but do we want to have Mark chime in and read these for us in his uh radio voice? Yeah? There is, Jen says. I am with my husband for a twelve years now,

our ten your wedding anniversary is in April. For our entire marriage, he has not only been the main breadwinner, but I have also been totally reliant upon him financially. This past summer, I finally started my career. I work outside the home for sixty plus hours a week. I love it. It fulfills me. But I've realized my husband needs me to need him. I can tell you're starting

to present my career. How do I tell him or show him that I love him just as much as I ever have, even if I don't need him in the same way. M hmmm, interesting. Interesting, that's tough because I kind of get that, you know, I get the idea. I'm definitely someone who likes to provide um. So I get him feeling devalued by his wife having, you know, not to rely on him much as much at least while she should have to worry about that, and she should focus on her own career because she's her own person.

You can do whatever she'd like. I kind of see both sides of it, Courtney, what do you think? Was the question? Like, how do I show him? Doesn't she want to do something nice to the anniversary? I would she wants she wants to know how she can show him that she loves him as much as she ever has. I would say, a heartfelt card. You can't go It's got to be more than a card. Come on, it's gonna just it's just gonna go ahead and remind him that she doesn't care. Oh, all you got me for

a ten year anniversary was a stupid snoopy car. No, a heartfelt car. She needs to tell him. I mean she's riding in. Okay, You're right. What else could she do? She should just let him? I don't know, she should need him, maybe a little more. She should get she should get some lingerie. Yeah, I don't know. You know,

it's it's funny. I think I thought about this actually just recently, about how like if and when I have to go back to be to working like forty hours a wee could like a more traditional job, like obviously, Caitlin and I enjoy spending as much time together as we possibly can, and like let's say, you know, I'm gone for a day or two, it's like, however long it is any amount of time that I'm gone from

Calin like she would prefer me to be there. And I always think about, like what's going to happen, like if and when I have to go back to work for fifty plus hours a week, then what is that dynamic going to shift like? And how is that going to be like received from either side? Um, Jake, you have any ideas for her how she can show her

husband that she still loves him. Yeah, I think you know, from what I take from obviously, there's a lot of love in that relationship, which is like its beautiful to say. And you know, I think I have a bit of different I'm such a romantic, Like I'm such a hopeless romantic and I always have been, and like I always will be. But I think obviously her dynamics change, and

obviously she's working and she's making the money. There. I think even just something simple like she just takes him out or takes him on her and spoils him, or for a dinner or you know, a hot shot, whatever it may be, but like just it's her sort of showing like, you know, I appreciate you, and this is tonight you or not with us together, A really treat you to something special. I think that's that's why I

look at it. I think for Jen, yeah, I again, I would just try to use words of affirmation as best as possible and let him know how much you rely on him, how much you love him. Maybe get him a little bit more than a card. Get him a card. Cards are very sweet, great gift, not downplaying that, but maybe I don't know something that shows how much you do rely on him. What that is, I don't exactly have the answer. Maybe it's something intimate, maybe it's

something personal. I'm not sure, but hopefully it's something I've got. I've got an idea. I don't know if you guys know this not, but Mark has been married to his wife for a very long time, so maybe he's got a suggestion for I just think that men are really simple creatures. They really are. And you've been able to pick up on his insecurities and that's fine. You can let him know you need him in so many ways. Can you come kill the spider for me? My car

is making a weird nurse. Can you check it out? You know what, I could use some shelve in the office to help me with my new job, whatever it is. Just try to show him that you need him, and he's gonna be just fine. This will be a blip on the radar. He's a little weird about the whole thing. He's going to be fine. Just show him that you need him around the house. He'll be okay. And this is why Mark, you know that has been in a

successful marriage for many, many years. Right, yeah, you know now that you say that, Mark two, I'm wondering if maybe I put off doing all these household chores for Kalin, because once I complete all of them, then she's not gonna need me anymore, and then I lose my I lose my purpose in the relationship. So the longer I put them off or the longer she needs me, So I just feel that value. All right, Mark, you got the last one for us? The anonymous This is anonymous.

I'm not usually a fan of getting to know a person through technology, but during quarantine, I got bored and decided to try out a couple of dating apps. I safely went on at least one day with a guy, and although we had a lot in common, a lot to talk about, I didn't feel the spark between us, so it didn't lead to a second dage. My question is, how do I know if I'm genuinely with it in a person or if I'm just looking to fill a

void that the quarantine situation has created. Well, Uh, first and foremost, Anonymous, I've got some weird question about this. I got a question about this weird wording. You said, I safely went on at least one date with a guy. Why don't you just tell us that you wanted more than one date with the guy? Why do you have to be so weird and biguous about that? I guess

I don't know, but uh, that's a good question. So she wants to know is if she is actually interested in a person or if she's just looking to fill the void that Quarantine has created. And I think the fact that she's even asking herself that question proves that she's just filling the void. Yeah, yeah, I think that's that's enough of it of a reason. I don't know, Jake, what do you think? Um? Yeah, I think I agree

with you on that one. But I think, um, you know, obviously in Quarantine, especially for you guys over, there's so much more intense, but that that lack of human connection and physical human connection, you know, I'm sure that that would make send anyone sort of a bit insane or you know, looking to feel some sort of void. But um, yeah, I think diety apps are harmless and like talking to people, but you never know when you're gonna feel that spark. So yeah, I agree with you, Ding, but who knows

what what what could happen? It's kind the only way to put yourself out there right now. I mean, I mean right really like go out to bars and stuff and meet people organically. It's it's gonna be crazy too, And I definitely, um, I don't envy that situation of like trying to date someone, especially like if you want to be dating people right now in America at least

not so much in Australia. But if you want to be dating people right now, it's like tricky because you have to do it like safely and you have to take the precautions and you can't meet people like you're used to meeting them, and so like everything's changed. But I don't know, Jared, what do you think? I like, I don't know. That's the only way you're ever going to find out is if you go on our days with this person, than either it gets better or it

doesn't get better. But the problem with doing that is you also, COVID is very real and it's out there, so you have to take precautions. It's tough dating right now. I do not envy people who have to navigate the dating world in COVID. I couldn't do it before COVID. Now we have you know, Mark, Mark, you have some advice on this. Well, there's just a quote that I think applies to all single people during these times, and it's um, don't let loneliness lower your standards. Better off

alone than with the wrong Person's right. So I think stay of the course. There's nothing wrong with meeting new people. There's nothing wrong with spending time with them over virtually or safely, however you want to do it. We can all use more friends, more connections in our life, but don't let it go farther than that just because you're missing somebody in your life. I think you're better off

working on yourself. Yeah, as in that, do you mean like my like like not forcing a relationship, just the same, right, Yeah, you're regretted at some point? Yeah, yeah you said. I totally agree. He's the stage voice on this very very silly podcast, my dieting team. Any times I love to hear from you. What do you think tell me he'll be your life coach. Well, that's can probably do it for this week's episode of Help I Suck at Dating, Jake, you're the band. Thank you for joining us, um Courtney,

of course, thank you for co hosting with us. I feel like I feel like we gotta have you back. I feel like we didn't have a whole bunch of time to to have your co host anytime, anytime you need me, I'm here. I'm not as good at podcasting as you guys, but it's fun. So happy to join. I got news for you already better at our jobs and Uh, that's not. Obviously everybody can find you on Instagram. Anything else you want to plug Obviously you can still

pick up for your book. Yeah, that's still doing well. Um. You know I'm doing real estate full time. It's the market. Arizona's hot, so if you're looking to move to Arizona, I'm happy to help. Um. But yeah, I know that's really it. That's all I got. I'm going to change my Instagram name too. I just officially changed my name. So, oh you did change your last name. I was gonna ask you about that. What is the new last name? Um, it's Precatto and I made my middle name my maiden name.

So Courtney Robertson Presciotto. If that happened this week, a good gratulations. Next thing you have to change. Next thing you have to change is your zoom name, because you're still just Courtney Robert Babe, M I need to ask you about that. Actually, on my birthday this year, I think I'm going to change my last name, so I could use some advice on the process. What do you do?

Who are you going to be? I want to change my last name to my mother's maiden name of Bell, So I want to go from Dean Unglert to Dean Bell. But I don't know, I don't know like the legal process of how that's going to that's actually pretty simple and you just send everythink in So yeah, that's a that's a good thing to do. You have to pay for the filing fee to officially change yourney, which is kind of annoying. Um, I think it was like three

hundred bucks. But and then you just zoom court connect with the you know, a judge, and they just grant you the name change. I know. It's kind of kind of funny that you have to pay money to do something that's so simple, like change the name, right, you have to pay money to do everything with this, No, yeah, you have to pay Oh anyway, Well, it's nice to see you all. I will Courtney thank you. And then Jake of course, everybody can find you on Instagram at

Jake Ellis anything else you want to plug? Uh no, not really, like it's just been been. I'm excited to be a part of this podcast. You could just sort of amate you guys. Obviously I've heard a lot about you and seeing your mus screens and like Jared's my longest Batchelor relationship in this whole entire process. Really, I'm a good boyfriend. It's the bromance that keeps us running exactly right. But now I will look honesfully, you know.

I hope you guys will stay stay well. It's snife stife, and you know, as soon as I can get over there to visit, like I'll be on the first plane. Sweet, We're gonna go ahead and call that a day. Thank you guys so much for joining in and listening. Be sure to you next week where maybe we suck just a little bit less. Follow help by Suck at Dating on I Heart Radio or wherever you listen to podcast