Superfriends with Jenna Cooper

we have Jenna Cooper here with us today. Jenna, Welcome to the podcast. Thank you, Thank you. Ed. Yes, I have very much sucked at making decisions towards what got me into bad dating. That's what I was alluding to. We've seen some of your bad dating choices, um, nationally on television, so that's what I was alluding to. But now you're married, you are you are married, you have a kid, so you don't start your dating anymore. No,

you know, it's so great. I had always heard older people tell me I'm so glad I'm married, I'm so good. I don't have to date. And I was just like, I was like, why, it's fun because I was young and it was great. And then I went to a string of really really bad, traumatizing dating, and I was like, that's why. Now I'm married and I'm happy. I can wear my sweats that can be totally myself. That's great. Oh my gosh. Jared and I talked about it all

the time on this podcast. How lucky we are to have convinced our our wives to date us and marry us. Because dating, Um, when you're doing it, it's fun. Yeah, but once you're in like a long term relationship, especially you now you have a kid, especially like I can't even imagine going back to dating. So we are very lucky and honored to have our partners with us. There's no question about it. Um. But welcome to the podcast. We're happy to have you co host with us today.

I was looking back, I think this is the first time we've had you co host with us, right, I think so, yes, And I don't think I've ever met you in person, so formerly nice to meet you, even though it's digitally here. Um. For the listeners out there, we know Jenna, we know Jenna from I want to say, not Colton season are season. We know we know you from our season. We know you a little bit better. From Bachelor in Paradise season five. I want to say,

I think it was five. Actually yeah. The only reason I say that because I was on four and I was on six and I don't remember you and um and Jared, Hello, how are you? I haven't said how do you yet? It's quite alright. No, you're killing the game right now. I feel like on this podcast there are times where I take over, and then there are times where you take over, and this feels like a podcast that's gonna take over, which I'm totally fine with because I'm feeling off today, just like a lot, like

I'm not gonna lie this. Henry Cavill's Superman News really got me down in the dumps, bro, Like, I am pretty depressed about it, and now everything is like piling on top of it, and now I'm thinking about like issues that I have of my personal life with family or business, and now like I'm just gonna run. You know how you dis cycle? Can you fill me in? Jenna? And because I have no idea what you're talking about? You guys don't have to know. It's a little bit

dumbest ever. But Henry Cavill, I don't know if you guys remember you have Okay. I'm a big superhero Superman fan. It means a lot to me. Henry cavill has been Superman, but he there's been a lot of controversy over the past several years. He made Man of Steel. It was a great movie, but then there's been other movies that haven't been as good. Some people would argue I would argue differently, but he hasn't really gotten a chance to have his own Superman movie. He's only made cameos. It's

been really weird. He's a great Superman. He got announced a couple of months ago that he's finally coming back after years, years of speculation and fans wanting him to be back as Superman, and everybody was so excited. He went on a freaking press tour to announce his return as Superman easton our Very one producers saw him in person because he went on Seacrest and Kelly I think that's the name of the show. But he went on

and I was like, yep, I'm back a Superman. And then now there's been like all these different varying reports that he might not be as back because d C hired James Gunn as like CEO of their superhero slate, and they were saying that James Gunn might change a lot of things. And then it finally got announced yesterday and a heartbreaking post by Henry Cavill that officially he's not returning a Superman and it just really just like made me sad and bitter and angry, and then that's fine,

I'll get over it. But then, of course, like you know how like something will set you off and then immediately be like, you know what else sucks? That sucks, and then everything just like piles on top. So it's divulged into my personal life. Now everything's fine between Ashley and I. Has nothing to do with Ashley I other aspects of it, but anyway, that's where I'm at today. Deem continue, Jenna, it's very nice meeting you once again. Thank you so much for coming on the podcast. Superman

has nothing to do with dating Jenna. Do you have any insight on this whole Henry Cavill situation, because I have got nothing, Nobody, nobody wants it, Nobody wants the inside now, and you know what, like just something that I've kind of learned over the years is that we might never really know like why, And even if they say why, it's maybe not actually why. There may be some other weird things going on. So maybe it'll end

up being for the best. Maybe there's some other big movie he said, or I mean, who knows, but he got fired and see what happens. Even James Gunn came out and said that, which is so sad. I will say, I know, I was really critical of Man of Steel last episode. Go back and listen to it. I'm not a fan of Man of Steel, and I hey, Jared, I'm sorry, it's okay, but today's not the day of my friend. But let me tell you where I'm going with this is. My issue with Man of Steel was

not Henry cavill. I think he was fine as an actor. I do think he really has the Superman look to him, and I really appreciate that he looks like Superman. He looks right like he's got the strong jaw, the clean shape, the nice clothed hair, the muscles. He's he was a superman. Um My issues with the movie were not Henry cavill centric. So I'm sorry. I wish you weren't um having a bad day because of this news, but here we are.

Hopefully it gets better. Thank you, Jenna. Sometimes I realized, trust me, I care about things that it should not matter way too much. But you know, I guess that's what life is all about, right, You're passionate. Yeah, yeah, that's more than I can say. I go, I just moved through life not caring about anything. You're in a way better situation than night, Jenna. I'm in the middle. I choose, Jenna, give us a life update because it's been a long time since we've seen you on our TVs.

Of course, we can follow you on social media and stuff, and we see all of the big news that you're going through and all of these incredible life experiences that you're having. Give us like an elevator pitch of kind of what you've been up to since last time we saw you on TV. Oh my, okay, so let's see on TV everything was great and fun. Actually was a pretty pretty good experience. Then everything kind of that happened after was you know, a big lie, blown up and exaggerated,

and I kind of went to hiding. He would say, like I knew it wasn't true, but it was just hard to walk in public like with my head up, knowing that everybody thinks I'm, like, I didn't know, like a cheater, a sugar baby, whatever they were, whatever they were saying. I was, um, yeah, let's get some context to that, because I remember that that was the craziest thing. And I was not even really following it that closely, but I remember when um, it pretty much came out

that everything. So it's like hard, it's hard to explain, it's hard to understand it. That's the problem is it makes no sense and it came from nothing. If something would have happened, you know, I could have the best thing for me to do would have, you know, complain and said, Okay, I'm sorry for this. This is what the real situation was, what it went over. The problem is it was totally made up. So the producers called me when you know, they it gets announced by reality

see that I am trying to even remember. I think that I was I was cheating on Jordan's with like a sugar daddy, I guess. And then these fake text came out, which by the way, we're very terribly made, like they could have made them more believable. And the producers called me and just say like, is this true? And I was like laughing because they're reading me these texts in the article and I'm like, no, like, nobody's gonna believe that that's app but none of that's true.

But then, um, a lot of people did believe it. And I think the worst thing was Jordan was like, yeah, it's true, like she admitted it. I don't know why he did that. I was a very confused. So I basically just kind of like to say anything because, um, I was getting like these emails saying, you're under contract, you're not allowed to say anything. I'm sorry if you want to stand up for yourself, but don't say anything. And I would say, well, how come, how come Jordan

can do these interviews? Like what can I just say a few things, just say it's not true. I want my privacy. It was really weird, and I so I had like some lawyers and they said the same thing. They said, if you want to have like a case with this, which you have, don't say anything. So I was just quiet and if I ever made a post. It was just weird. Picture. I could barely say anything and it just didn't make sense. So like I understand why everybody was like, well, it's probably true because I

had such a weird quiet reaction. So like now, like years later, I would respond so much differently. I would tell him everything going on behind the scenes, like things that lies that were told to me, like what the truth was. But um, I didn't know how to handle it, very naive. I think that's why they chose me initially to go on the show, because I had never been on a plane, I didn't understand the entertainment industry, and I was just kind of like a plant for comedic

relief that they and mold into anything. And that's what happened. And I was okay with that because I understand that when you go on to Bachelor, you're given to edit you you have to just stick with it and just and and that sign it. Um. But everything that happened after that that affected my real life was awful. And there were local newspapers, you know, printing the story. It was. It was everywhere. So I was like, okay, I can't date, and I was just totally alone. I kind of became

like a order. I was like I don't want to take my trash. I was literally just depressed. It was bad and I didn't know how to deal with it. I didn't have tons of support outside of like my family, like a few friends, and I understand the bachelor world. Really that's it. You don't want to get into it, right because if you come out and say maybe it's not true, you might get attacked because that's how the internet works. You get one side and everybody has to

pile on. And everybody was like, oh, poor Jordan, and she she looks crazy, right, So I felt like I became the person that they blamed for anybody who has ever them, were cheated on them, or maybe their parents got divorced or something. They all it's like they took it out on me. And I can read these messages and and feel how hurt people are and they just want to take it out. And I guess I just became that person. Um and it brought me down. I

felt like a huge weight for a long time. But now I know it sounds like cliche, but now I feel so much stronger and so much smarter because of it, And weirdly, I'm actually glad it happened. Because of the big shift in just like the dynamic on Reddit, them not decided to just trash people right away, the fact that reality seems if I'm gonna bet my sources better.

I just feel like there was a change that at least was something good came out of it, and um, like a lot of people reached out and apologized later, and I feel like I developed friendships and met a lot of cool people and had experiences that like I'm so thankful for because like such as a meeting Carl, having pres slate and and that's kind of where I was getting at with go on TV. It's fun and great. Terrible thing happens, but now I'm happy and I feel

like I'm exactly where I'm supposed to be. Yeah, it's definitely. It's definitely tough when you have everything that you want now right You've got your husband, your kid, and it's hard to look back and regret anything because all those things in a weird way led you to where you are, which is great. Um, I don't want to I'm not trying to minimize your situation at all. Have you guys ever played the game the Village before? Where are you going with this? So? There's this game that we played

in Pakistan every night. It's called the village. If if you have like ten people, there's two wolves and then a bunch of villagers, and every night the wolf, like you know, you close your eyes, you go to bed, and the wolves kill one villager and then you wake up in the morning and you're supposed to guess who the wolf is and you want to vote them out

of the village essentially. And when you play that game, if you're a villager and you're like one of the good guys, but you're being accused of being a wolf, and you know in your heart, you're like, I am telling the truth and none of you are believing me. There's no worse feeling than knowing what you're saying is true, but having a group of people believe that you're lying.

And I can't imagine that's what I'm saying. I can't imagine how helpless you must have felt, because it's one of the like in such a trivial, non meaningful game, it's such a bad feeling. But this this wasn't just a game. You know, this is your life. So I can only imagine what But that's a good no. But that's a good way to describe it, and like imagine, because you know, the best way is to try to understand the situation is to try to put yourself in

somebody else's shoes. And I know a lot of people in the show have gone through a lot of drama because I've made up things too, and it's just awful. So I just try to say, like, imagine, if this comes out about you, let's take it to a lower scale. It's because you know a lot of normal people who will come on here like and bully people they say are like celebrities, which I don't consider myself from very

much normal. Like to them, they were like, oh, I can say anything to me, and I want to to her. But I'm like, okay, let's just say you go into work and somebody sends an email saying you did something absolutely terrible and everybody believes it. But the thing is, how do you prove something that's not true? Like, like you know, you can't, you can't, you can't. They're like, we'll go through your text records. Okay, I did that, but if there's not if these texts aren't real, I'm

not going to find them. So what do I say to you. So I literally, I mean I didn't even have that much money at the time. I literally use all my money to hire people to go through all my personal information to say this never happened. These texts were never sent. I mean, they went through my eye cloud. It's like so gross to think about the invasion. But I let them in just to try to prove that I didn't do it. And then it came out and they were like, you made that up. You made that

So I just I kind of cant up. How do these rumors even start? Like? Who do you know who the like? And you don't have to name names or anything like that, but do you know who the person was that reached out to Reality Steve about it the first time? Okay, I don't think I can say the person that we found to be sure the one created the text, because something might still happen because of that.

Like legally, I don't really want to like resut it that I have, but there, but I do have, which I'm so glad I talked to um Steve because he gave me the information showing a couple other people who were very involved in spreading it around. Because there were multiple stories and he did kind of run with them and looking at them like I have emails. They're so

fake and I don't know why he believed them. But yeah, so there's there's three people, two women, and then somebody who is actually very close to Jordan is the one that made them up. Um, which is it's terrible, um, but it kind of makes sense. It kind of actually makes sense because there was definitely a motivation there. Um. I just wish I would have known this years ago. But now outside Yeah, yeah, it's so tough. Two things. One, Um, well, I remember you said that you look crazy. You don't

look crazy, first of all. Uh. Secondly, your story is so so different because yes, we go on the show and you know, there is a certain level of editing of course that goes on and we get edited to look, you know, either more like something or less like something, and that doesn't pack our lives. But most of the time, what I tell people a lot is it doesn't. It's not going to ruin your life. You know, it's just it's not like you're gonna get like Ashley. Definitely, you

know it has more to her than just crying. But of course they're gonna high like that. But you know, it's all funny and most of it's just for laughs, and if you can take yourself less seriously, yes, there are going to be people who are rude, but you can get the perfect edit and there's still people are going to be rude to what happened. What happened with you is wildly different because yours came after the show. That didn't. It is crazy to think that all this

happened after the show. Was it ever talked about on the show at like a reunion because I don't remember. No, Okay, no, they they asked me to go back on Paradise and I was like, I am like, absolutely not. Of course they told me, you know, you can have your conversation with him, because I think he like blocked me. I don't know he said I blocked. I'm confused. But we never Jordan, I never had any type of closure. That's actually not a terrible idea because there's so many things.

There's so many things that he knew he uh um. But anyways, yeah, no, there was never never anything. It's weird. It's just kind of still like floating out there. I'm just glad other good things that happened in my life. To cover up some of the terrible articles. I couldn't get jobs. They were like, I'm sorry, they were like, it might not be true, but like we can't. We can't risk it and hire you because of what you

look like on the internet. Like it sucks it just and well, I'm so glad that you got over that, because yeah, I can only I remember hearing the news that it was that Steve came out and said I was wrong. This is all fabricated and I really screwed up, um and being like and just thinking, holy that that was all on true, Like that was fake. He got duped. And listen, I'm not trying to drag him as Steve. He does a great job at his job. On him, I personally like him. I don't care if you guys

like him or not. I don't like it. I don't know him personally. But my point is, of course he's good at his job, Like he gets the majority of things. He's bad at his job. Look at what he did. Look what an example of like horrible nous um, but it is. I mean, it's crazy to think, but I mean the point being one, I'm just very happy that

that is behind you. It just sucks that you had to go through that, and it's really unlike anything any Bachelor contestant has ever experienced, because this is very different think getting quote unquote a bad edit um, because even people who get like quote unquote bad edit, like they still do things and it's like, well, you did do that, you did say that you It was like, no, I didn't. I'm I'm true, like I am being honest, I did not do this, and nobody believed you. And it's just sad,

but I'm so happy for you. Thank you. Do you want to know the worst part. The worst part about that is I think it's because since I was like young and started working, there were so many situations of like men in power who wanted to abuse it and who did offer money, bonuses, whatever it was, and I always said no, like, it's definitely out there. I know it's out there. I don't judge people. I don't care. I don't care if you're a sugar baby, do not care.

It's just the fact that I always wanted to be independent and work extra hard so I didn't have to take anything from anybody, like especially a man. I just never wanted to be in that position and so for that to come out essentially becoming like my identity for two years at least on the internet, it was, Yeah, that's what that's what was so hard. And then for obviously for the person that I was engaged to to like not stand by I mean whatsoever um that art too,

Like Jordanized relationship. I don't think a lot of people know a lot about it because like it wasn't very public, I guess because you know how you're supposed to kind

of keep it a secret until Paradise. Well, the story came out the night the finale aired, so it was all really weird and nobody really ever got to know, but that we definitely had like our struggles and so like for him, like I was choosing to love him and to try to make this relationship where it was not perfect in rainbows and butterflies like it was, it was hard, and I think, like if you only have one person trying and one person kind of happened, thinking

like like, I'm not gonna blame him totally for it, because I think he was getting these messages from these other women and was a little bit like worried. But for him to to tell me, I cannot stand about you publicly and then to break up with me through an Instagram post. I didn't even know it was. He was just you know, yes, that's how I found out, like that we were like, our engagement was totally off. I was like, oh, this is dramatic black in my Instagram post was like okay, so none, so none of

that was normal. So I get that people. I get that people were confused and didn't really know what to believe. And we're like, well, I guess it must be true, you know, because he's saying it's true and breaking up with me and is, yeah, you know what, do you know what the worst? The worst part is And I've told a few other people I say that was the worst part. This was the worst part, getting like blamed

for that. He actually Jordan's actually had a girlfriend when we were engaged, and I'm not The thing is like, I'm not trying to like start anything because he at least he told me, so I was like, okay, he said, I'm like, I'm breaking up with her now. I was like, I know people go on the show of dating people. I know they did. I honestly was not even that. I was like, you probably came on here for fun whatever. For me, I didn't know if you would really find love.

But that was I think, really hard. So it was so many things that piled up, and then the truth was never put out, so I get to people just had to go with whatever they saw in the media

and articles and is right. It's interesting too because if you if you were to, if anyone were to cheat on someone and gets caught, then you're like, Okay, I feel bad and people are angry at me, but I deserve it because if you're getting all of this like negative attention from people because they think he did something wrong and you didn't even do the thing that was there blaming you of I like, that's that's that's like I think anyone in that situation Asian would uh, like

you said you were you were dealing with depression all that kind of stuff, and you weren't leaving the house. I think so many people would have that same reaction because it's like, what what what can you do? You can you can speak until you're blue in the face, but like people are gonna believe what they're gonna believe,

you know, And that's how it was. Yeah, yeah, your story does that puts things in perspective, it's one of those stories that you hear because even I'm self reflecting right now about like what's you know, how like I'm set at different things in my life and I'm like, I mean, honestly, it could be I could be in this situation where someone's blatantly saying something factually inaccurate, and then I'm combating it, and just there's nothing I say

or do will change people's minds. You know, it's funny too. You were talking about how years ago, you know, you were said listen, don't say anything. Um, you know, just just you know, you could say it's not true, but then don't go into details. It's so funny. I just feel that that way of thinking has has should have been put to bed a long time ago, because it's such an old school way of thinking of like don't

say anything, You're only gonna hurt yourself. But with social media today, it's like you have to come out and defend yourself. You have to come out and say the truth because it's not it's a twenty four hour news cycle though. You know, it's not the old days where you catch the five o'clock news and then that's you know, everything is updating throughout the day, in the week, and you know weekends you have off, it's like, no this

you have you find out on Twitter immediately. And if somebody doesn't immediately say something, I mean, I can't tell you how many times I've seen you know, celebrities or comics or wherever come out and be like my lawyers told me not to say anything, but I'm saying something. Most of the times I'm yeah, yeah, yeah, but do

you want to? You know what's also funny is the fact that, like there's been a lot of changes too for like bullying, which I think is great, but like when my story was out, first of all, I was getting attacked, but I don't even know how many people, but also bought somebody was buying bots to like say I had all these sugar daddies and making up these fake accounts with these stories. Now, like you can't say

a mean thing to somebody. Like I was making a comment the other day and I said, um, something got a pig because I haven't pick. I was talking about my pet pig and it got deleted and Instagram said like that to strike, like, you know, we don't allow any bullying and I was just like, wow, where was this back in the day. It was like, yeah, So I actually had this like social club in Raleigh that I had started with like a bunch of women and

we were promoting small businesses and it was so fun. Well, somebody made a huge, huge Reddit article that went everywhere, that went onto Facebook, that made it into a few articles, um, saying that I was running an escort service, and so I had to stop. I had to stop doing that because it was it got it was very negative and it was kind of it kind of had to like re restart my whole life basically after it. Um. But again again, I at least I'm glad where I'm at,

because I don't know where it would be otherwise. But it it's a it's a scar for its very and it's tough, and it's a scar that you have, and and well, I'm very happy that you've I don't want to say, like obviously gotten over that scar. I don't know how to phrase it. You can only you're doing one who could phrase it. But I'm very happy that you have a family. You have, you have your daughters, you have one one child, right, yes, yeah, Presley, she's

two and a half. She's awesome, Prestle two and a half. That's a great name. I mean, is she named after Elvis Presley? How about this? No, listen to this. You won't believe this, but it's true. So I did not know it when I chose her name, so it doesn't count exactly. But her dad is very distantly related to us, and I was like, this is perfect, Like it's pretty distant, but still so I'm like, she technically has a family name. Ye,

that's pretty cool. Hopefully she's in the younger guys because Elvis, I'm sorry, Pressley and Dawson might be you know, a future a future playing Yeah, well ten months, so he's I mean, that's not bad. So when she's yeah, that's really fun. I know, I feel like it's funny once you're kind of like in this world, it's like you can't really just date normally. So it's like, maybe maybe our children are gonna have to like should do is?

I mean, granted, if the show is still on in Many Many, you know, I know what you're gonna say, We'll just all put all the kids from Bachelor Nation on a show on in Paradise. We'll send them to Sayulita, and it will just be paradise with the kids on the Bachelor. Okay, fine, if like we get to have the control, because if the producers are managing that, I will not sender. And then then we're the producers, we're the ones. And then there's cameras in the production room

where we're coming up with like the ideas. Do we just think of a really cool, cool idea? I think it's great. I mean right now, obviously we can't will be you know, exploiting our children. But once they turn eighteen, straight to sit, I'll send my dog down or something, I guess. So yeah, there you go. Hey, you know what we said years from now? Who knows. Yeah, that's true. That's true. And like you keep saying, and we keep alluding to, everything did work out for the best because

you have Presley, you have your husband and all those things. Um, how did you and the your husband meet? So a mutual friend introduced us that they kind of worked together and she was just one of my really good friends. And um, she told Carl and look around this business meeting and how that coffee and then she invited me. M she told him fifteen minutes before by the way a friend is just gonna come meet us, and he's like okay, and I come walking in in like all pink,

like these sunglasses was pearl. That's like I had a little bit of her. And he's probably like what in the world, because Carl is very like reserve, like quiet and like sweet. And I was like, but you know, somehow I think he kind of liked me, or at least he was somewhat intrigued, because you know, we talked a little and then we started going on a few days and then it was just like we never stopped.

It was just like and I just really appreciated that he didn't know anything about the show, didn't care, has never watched it. It was like supportive. And he said, if you do, you say that's not true. It's not true, because that was I hate it. But that's one of the first things I have to say if you look me up, because you know, when you go to date somebody, what do they do. They google you, They look up into him like, well you're gonna see this stuff like

it's not true. And the fact that he like just believe me and stuck out of me was like, it's it's fine, it's not that big. The deal was amazing and yeah, so then do you find do you find that Carl is less reserved after you've you guys been together now, because is that? Well? I find myself pretty reserved, but I feel like those personalities mesh well because Ashley is very opposite and she's brought a lot out of me over the past few years that I've always had

but just have been reserved. And so I finally think a little Yeah, so I finally never going to be the Instagram husband. Yeah, I'm sure it has. I think I think it's really I think it's really good for couples like that, um, and I think it has been good for us and for him, if for me because he'll like bring me down like relaxing, like but like just to like a level I need to be at. Um, so I'm not like so I don't know, anxious and just so cocoa all around all the time. Honestly, yeah,

pretty much. But he's still like I think he's like, oh about like Instagram stuff. He'll he'll he'll get in a picture with me, but he's like, I'm not doing those like videos. But it's fine, Like he's just it's at his personality and I love it so, um it does work out. He grounds me a lot. Good. Yeah, that's good in a weird way, all of that bad uh stuff that happened to help your job dodge the bullet and led you to Carls. So like, like you keep saying that's good. I've never been a big fan

of Jordan as it stands. He's always been kind of a punk to me, said mean things to me every time I say it, though Caylen always shoots me a look because he did defend Caylin at our reunion, so Calin like has a soft spot form The thing with him that's hard, I think to know with people if you when you're deciding like if you if you like him or not, it's the problem is is you don't really get to see him because he he puts on

like this TV personality and him defending her. I hate to say it, but he probably did it for himself because that's what he does. Um, so he probably likes her. But I'm just saying he just things for his image for himself. And so that's not to say that underneath is a terrible person. I don't really know because I didn't really get to see a whole lot of it, but it's it's it's calculated when it's on TV or it's an article, or he stands up for somebody to

put somebody down there, you know, there's a reason. Um, I don't really know if he's like that anymore. I have not talked to him in years, but yeah, I don't think I people can't even decide if they love him because they don't. They don't know, And it's it's I know, it's like that for a lot of us. You can only see what we put on social media, but it's a mask, so who knows. That's that's what

I took. That's what I said to Kaylin every time she says that, And I mean, I don't have enough in said, I guess, but he said some mean things about me and to me and stuff, So I'm sati but no, I mean, it's nothing compared to what has

happened with you. Um it's so funny to think too, how like that chapter is just closed now, right because I was like five years ago and we're talking about it now, which, um, you know, we don't mean to bring up old, old past scars or anything like that, but it's so interesting how that it was so long ago,

you know, I know, and do you know why? Actually I think this was a good time because I think before I would have um either not said that much, probably the most open I've been about it maybe ever, I think I would have either not said much, been like too emotional about it, or this is what I've been going there for a while is actually not having much of the memory of of anything because just like as a trauma response, I just I just deleted everything from my mind. But a little not long ago, I

went to Texas for three days. I did this intensive therapy and not just for that, but that was a big part of it and opened up a lot of stuff and I let myself feel things that I had always been holding in because I like the type of person that I guess I guess I feel like I don't want people to pity me and I and I don't want to be weak and like emotional, even though I know that you know they say strong, I know

it is, but I just couldn't. I don't know. I held so much in and I had a really bad memory because of being hurt like a lot, even from since when I was younger and not ever telling anybody or working through it. So I did that me, I did E M, D R. And UM have you have you tried that or heard of it? It's it's amazing. So I would recommend it for anybody because we all are traumatized in some way. You you just can't help it. Um. I had these buzzers in both my hands and it

sets off both sides of your brain. You have to close your eyes, You get very relaxed, and your mind will take you and not controlling it. Your mind will take you where you kind of need to go to like work things out, and it becomes a very symbolic and it's it was like a story, and I'm telling you I was. I was going into very very dark places looking at it from a very different perspective, much more rational, seeing it's not because now I can look at it and see it wasn't the end of the world.

It wasn't the biggest thing ever, but it was a big thing in my world. And I was quite literally closing books. It's I couldn't even explain it. All I was, what was it, twenty one hours of therapy. It's insane. Um. But now when I think back to some of the

things that we worked through. My last memory is my last memory in that therapy session, which was very positive, which was me having control, me seeing like myself like put out to the world as as I really am, which is all that really matters, because how you feel and how you see it's all in your head. It's all just a perspective because of your experience. So like what's important is what's in your mind and how you're

talking to yourself and how you feel about yourself. And so it took me obviously years to get to that point, but now my memories aren't either gone or terrible. Now I'm like, okay, I can see it. I can see just rashly like what happened and think through it. And now, um, I don't think it was as huge or terrible as I thought it was. It is terrible, but it's like I think, things happen every day, you know, there's a new scandal, a new article, a new person getting canceled

every day. Well, it's it's even trickier for you in your situation because while it was happening to you in real life, you were, like you said, you were told not to talk about it so like you're associating these memories with like having to kind of keep quiet about it. I can only imagine like the mental torture that that must have been, not only in the moment, but then like you're saying now, like we're calling it years later.

It makes it more challenging because you weren't able to explore outwardly so much about it, right, m Yeah, it was too big for me at the time, and I would, like I said, I was still like naive. I mean, I'm still learning things now. I just feel a lot more like mature and I could deal with it now

if it happened to me now I could. And also but also I have this person because that's like nothing worse can happen, Like because for a while, I'm always like looking over my shoulder, like if somebody recording me, like, am I gonna say something or slip up or do something that's gonna be seen as wrong and then these articles are gonna come out and I'm gonna get hurt

all over again. But now I'm like, not much worse can happen than that, because that was one of my biggest that was a fear and like something that I think probably hurt me more than any other issue that could have been made up about me UM. And I think it also hurts that like a lot of people knew that, like like the producers, Jordan's just the show

in general. They knew my story because you have to tell them when you go on the show your They want to know all your vulnerability, as your insecurities, what you're scared of, because that's how you're manipulated. And and again I get it, it's to show it's how it works.

So they all know this. And then and I think they actually used that to have Jordan maybe telling me certain things to make me fall right, because they know what what would make me feel secure and loved UM and they and they do know what would hurt and I think they reached out to them, was like, I have all this information to prove to you that it's not true, even I know some people who are involved in doing it. Is there anything you can do, like to help me? And you know, they said there's not.

In fact, I think it was each time I spoke out of contract UM and then they had their psychologists call me and try to get me to admit that I did it. And so it was just that was hurtful too. Not that I think they owed me much, but I don't know. It was pretty messed up. Yeah, I think Jared will disagree with this. But one thing that I've always said, well, one thing that I found out later on, I guess because I did four four seasons. Maybe by the fourth season, what I realized was that

the people making the show aren't your friends. They're there to make a television show and a lot of contests and get sucked into the trap of thinking that they're they're friends with their best interests at heart, which some of them. Sure, I know, I do think there are some, but yeah, no, and same with me. It's like they're there for and they're working, you know, like no, I'm not like ragging on them at all. They're working, like

stir job, Yeah exactly. It just it stinks when you're kind of like the butt of the joke in a few ways of the word. But um, yeah, I don't know. I feel for you. It's great to see you come

out the other side stronger and happier. Um, you know, like like Jared and I were saying, we haven't met you before this, but it's hard to imagine you being happier than you are now because you seem like you're on cloud nine with the kind of how everything is panned out, and you know what, and that's even with the this past year has been so hard, Like I got really sick, like all kinds of issues going on. I got like my breast and plants removed because I'm

pretty sure they were making me sick. I stopped doing anything. Yeah, it was terrible. I didn't even know that was a thing. And there's a whole, warm, whole community of women that were just destroyed by that. There was. But I'm not Claire Claire, Claire Crawley. She came out actually her doctor did mine, like did my surgery. Um, yeah, it's it's crazy that of course nobody wants to talk about it. It's like a billion dollar industry, but the same or

maybe truly, I don't even know it's the same. I'm not doing like filler botox any of that because I figured out that like foreign things going to my body were just not not doing good things. And so this past year has been me just physically healing too from all of that. But I think also getting over that. I'm finally just like I feel, you know, I'm really actually I'm ready to have another baby. I'm like, let's

just grow the family. I'm like so like happy and got off my anxiety mids and like much more like holistic, And yeah, it's really good. I do think there's a movement towards that too, Like for whatever reason, and like the two thousands twousands ten, there was a lot of like emphasis and a spotlight on like modifications of like lip fillers and implants and those types of things. Even Kaylin, you know, she's been pageants her whole life, so she's

she's been into that for a long time. But just last year she got like her lip fillers dissolved, and she's taking a much more holistic approach to her like beauty and appearance and health and all that kind of stuff. So I think that's a good thing. I think if we're moving towards that, it's good. Yeah. I did too, I feel, And also I think it's very good for

us mentally because we're us now. You know. I felt the exact same why when I came off the show, was like all these people are looking at me, and I would have injector say oh a little bit here a little bit there, and I'm like, okay, yeah, make it, you know, if it wanted to look good, like more symmetrical and pictures and videos. But now I'm like to be happy, like just being me. I'm like, oh hey, this this is great. I'm not like blaching my hair

like I was. The pictures of me when I was on the show and off the show were wild, like I had eyebrows up to here, huge lips like super white Keith bleached hair. I was like supertan, I'm like, oh my gosh, I'm a monster. But one no, actually like and I do think that women look pretty with and without too, Like there's nothing wrong with it. It's just we start to look the same and then move naturally with it. So I would love to see us. I'm gonna say us with including myself, because I've done

all of it, like just accepting ourselves. Yeah, Kyle and I we have a we have an ongoing dialogue about that too, because I don't really care much about my appearance. I used to quite a bit similar to you, but nowadays, like if I take a picture and I look really weird in it, and but Kylen looks really good and She's like, can I post this? You you know, like, are you okay with me posting this? And I was like, well, yeah, I mean that's that's how I look, so I can't.

That's just how I look. So it is what it is, um, And I think a lot of people are kind of coming around to that way of thinking too, because it's just like, it is what it is, you know, and like people, well, you know you think people would bully you for your appearance. I don't really think that as prevalent as it used to be, because it's just like that's just how we look and that's just who we are. So it's like, how could you say anything negative about it?

You know? I know, and I feel the same I've said so many times, like I literally think everybody is beautiful in how different they are, like and I'm not just saying that that is the fact that they're different, the fact that something small or big or up or down or what it's like, that actually is what's beautiful

about being the human. And so like I I wish we weren't changing all the time, but do you know what the media is, what controls what's popular, what's important, what we should do and what and how can we get away from that? Because we're scrolling on every day.

I mean that that's my job, So I'm like, of course I'm on here, but yeah, I'm I am concerned about with the younger generation and hopefully it does move towards you know, natural it is in I would love for them to do that, but that doesn't make money for some people, so I don't know who that will happen. Yeah, you two have a whole new arena to deal with with your children and having to help them navigate through

the whole system too. It's like it was stuffing for us, and I can only imagine it's gonna be so much harder for the next generation to come up. You know, m I really feel free to let me know if he has to have any advice. Do not know what to do? Like Pressly has an account. I made it when she was born. Don't ever want to give it to her. Maybe I'll wait until she's eighteen or something. And I do have photos of her on there because

I go back and forth. You either do it or you don't, Like you don't have to do like ads and stuff. But it's like you're either going to show your child's face or like who they are, or you just totally have to spend forever trying to hide them. And I also I love that I have this basically video diary of her life online like for her. She loves it, she loves watching videos of herself. But when she gets older, I don't know what to do. Maybe

we change a lot by then. Honestly, maybe we'll all be like holograms and it'll be like you know that creepy like metaverse every we won't have Instagram anymore. I don't know. Probably definitely evolving, so we'll see. Yeah, I mean soon we're never going to leave the house. I was just talking to my buddy about building a golf simulator and you can play golf with your friend in another state. At of course that's like hundreds of miles away.

I assume we never got to leave our house with all the delivery services and stuff, so I do think we're transitioning more towards that. Um. Well, Jenna, thank you so much for joining us. We appreciate your candidness and your candy. I don't even know it all. I said that was just a lot, so you completely knocked it out of the park. So we're really grateful to have you on. We're just gonna take one quick commercial break, but we'll be right back with our callers. First up,

we have Corey calling in. Corey, are you there? Yes, Hey, are good? Thank you good good? What's going on in your life? How can we help you? Um? Well, I liked a girl's photo on Instagram and my girlfriend got really piste off of me. Mm hmm, well pretty straight to the point on that, straight for work. So what like, um, okay, so, like a few months ago, a friend of mine instagram photos. She was in a bikini. Um, but it was it was like a friend, but I understand why my girlfriend

might get pissed. So she had me like, real any photos of girls like like I was friends with? Yeah, well so so Jared. Jared and I have a similar stance on this when it comes to like scrolling through Instagram. We agree that there's really no practical value to ever like a girl's picture that's not the girl you're dating, unless it's like, you know, us whatever. Especially bikini photos. I think is maybe the emphasis here, like there's no self serving purpose for a guy to do that, So

I could see why the girlfriend was maybe upset. But I think in my opinion, in my experience, there's no no double tap thing ever when it comes to a girl, especially in a bikini, because all it's gonna do is lead you to trouble and it's not going to do anything positive for you at all, like zero zero positive potential negative, So stay away from it. Even if it was like a girl I went to high school. Yeah,

I know. I'm like, this is so interesting because this has happened with me before, and I want to say that I actually I understand your point of view because it's been like explained to me. Um, they'll say, it's not a big deal. We've been friends since we were five, Like, it doesn't matter. You know. It looked like a fun vacation. I liked it. And the thing is is like sometimes I don't think it always it always has a negative

meeting behind it. However, I think the most important thing is like how it looks from the outside, in the way that I explained it, Like my husband is, I'm like, Okay, well, it's not everybody's job, but it's it's my job on here. So imagine just imagine me going into your workspace. It's public, public, like everybody's in there working and I see this man in there, and you know what, he's got these like

kind of tight work pants on. I just kind of double tap his button, like I kind of like that, like not and like you know, and like I wouldn't cheat, Like it's I'm just saying, and like hopefully he likes

that I like it. Imagine he's thinking, oh no, no, no no, And I know it's not the same, but to just imagine, like it's just everybody can see what you're liking, and nobody wants to be like, yeah, my guy is like and that even if you're just at a restaurant, he's looking around because you know what it happens, nobody wants to be the girl that's sitting there while he's looking around and liking other things. And so I

think it's more just the way that it looks. And then I think sometimes we wonder, well, what was the reason behind that. Did you just need some attention, you know, maybe from a felon, did you want her to be

happy that you let that pose? And if it was just a total honestly, I like you, like, I think you can like it without clicking, like and if you miss that maybe it's been a while, you can say, I don't know how the messaging goes in your relationship, but you know, I hope you're doing well to you that. So I don't know, maybe not on a bikini picture, but I don't think everybody should every female should be

cut out. Definitely not, But it's just I think it just matters, like how it looks, and so you just want to keep you want to keep your woman feeling like secure and happy and everybody knows you know, she's your one, and so it is a hard thing to

navigate though. I was told once by a boyfriend who got very very mad at me for liking a boy Soto, which is, you know, total opposite, and he said, um, there is always oh my gosh, I can't remember some bad conversation, but there's always a reason behind why you did that. You expected something to come from that. And he called it signaling, That's what he called it. And he was so mad, and so I was like, Okay, well, sorry, I didn't know, like I didn't have these bad intentions,

and I don't think everybody does. But that is that is hard. But I think the most important thing is to keep her happy. Because you know, that's that's your person, that's who you love. You want her happy, you want your relationship to be good. So is it worth it to let your friend know that you liked her bikini picture or her even just to keep picture, um, rather than just avoiding clicking life? That was a long It's no,

that was great. That was really good. I think it's the first step in a very small one at that, but a very small step in making a potentially bad decision. And I think that's kind of what like, there's no need to open up that potential can of worms, so just don't double click. That's so. So it sounds like Jenner are kind of an agreement on that, um, but hopefully there's any like compromise. Corey like, you know, well, um, she told me she thought it was emotionally like cheating,

but I was just being supportive of a friend. So I just I just like David thumbs up, just to be like, you know, body positivity kind of thing. That I didn't mean. I wasn't doing it to be like get my girlfriend or anything. It was just yeah, yeah, like high school friend of mine is like working out, working out, and she looked great, So I was just being supportive as a friend. But I could definitely see why my girlfriend would get mad because it she was

like a dude and like a you know, six packet. Yeah, like nice nice abs. Yeah, I could definitely see it. But I was just trying to be supportive. But you know, I think, you know what, I think the most important thing is to make sure you try to get that across to her, like it sounds like it sounds like you are at least at least you are exploiting yourself, and you know it sounds like you you want her

to be happy, so I think it'll be okay. But yeah, it's just one of those things, like things that just probably avoid because it's never worked. Like yeah, but but best of luck, Corey. Thanks for calling and we appreciate it. We hope you get figured out. Yep, thank you for taking time to talk to me. Yeah, of course, thank you. Thank you. By um no, that was good. I think the long wounded answers are very helpful. I know I talk,

I know I talked so much. I was like, this question, make me you know what, I will say, Like a lot of people don't want to talk about it, but it is a big thing in relationships because it's so huge and it's so public, and it's kind of sometimes you're like, well, what what was the point of that? Really? I mean of the like especially right, But it's it's

your same point too. I sometimes I'm talking and I like I'm starting, like after going on for a while, I'm like, I've been talking for like five minutes, and I have no idea what I just did. I just want to say I have like, I just have a two year old like home, and everybody's gone all day. So when an adult is around, conversation, all right, So next up, Next up, we have Todd calling us Todd, are you there? Yeah, I'm here, Hey, how are you? And what's going on today? How can we help you? Hey? Um?

So I have a little dilemma. Um, I've just seed some help. So I've been with my girlfriend for about a year and a half and I know that she's had a relationship with a man in the past, but she doesn't know that I know. No. Yeah. Um so we got on the topic of like very people cheating, and you know, I asked her if she had ever been the side chick, and she said no, but I know that she's been that, but um moving forward, you know, like we just we have been together for quite a time.

You know, we both have kids from previous relationships and they've been you know, become we become a family. And I just don't I don't know what to feel right now because she's lying about something that she did in the past and she doesn't think it's okay. But I know that she did that, So I just I don't want that happened to me in the future. So what do you think, right? So, she so you're worried because she kind of flat out lied to you and you

know the truth. Yeah, yeah, that's tough. Well, Jared, what do you think? Well? Hello, sorry, I had some technical issues. I got booted off the internet there. But with this, I mean, are you a hundred percent sure that she's not telling the truth, because what if you're mistaken? I mean I know from her best friend. I mean I don't know why her best friend would have told me that. You know, this is like when we first met that she said that you know, she's been with that guy.

You know, that's why she's a lot of I know, well, you know it was she was just saying that she had been with a married man before, and I just kind of blew it off because I you know, I do love her. I really liked her at the moment, and we became really close and became a family. But when we brought we got into the conversation about married people and cheating and stuff. She just said, you know, no, I think it's stupid. I think it's messed up, and I maybe I need to have a conversation with her

friends see if it's actually true. I would have a conversation with her and just say, listen, this is what I heard, Like how true is It's just I mean, you're gonna have to throw the best friend under the bus a little bit. I know that sucks, but if it's bothering you this much, you're gonna just have to talk to her about it and be like, hey, listen, I know this is gonna sound stupid, but this is what I heard a long time ago. And then you said you've never been but I just want to kind

of like, you know, just know what happened. That's all. Yeah, that's good advice. Let it for sure. Can I say to you? Can I say to you just little things might are really quick. I would say one thing is in her in her defense, just because we don't even know the whole story. Um, maybe she didn't know initially or something. Maybe maybe because Mary men can be can do that can be very charming and not admit that

they're married. And then um too, maybe in her mind, her perspective, she wasn't a side because it was just this guy she met and then maybe she found out and that's where they broke up. But who knows the other side of it? As you asking her about that and knowing what you know, it's a little bit also dishonest on your side, like not not saying you know that.

So I think maybe there's a little bit of dishonesty from both of you and maybe just like coming clean, like talking through it, Like I think it could be so good in like kind of healing for you to like just just talk through it instead of holding onto it this whole time. Because I bet there is I bet there's a lot more that maybe maybe you don't know and maybe it was just a perspective thing. And also, yeah, I don't get why her friend would would well. And I'd like to say that I wear my heart of

my sleeve, you know. It just when it came up in conversation, she said, you know, she said, she's never done that, but I think I know, so I apparent you need to have a little hard to heart. Yeah, it's gonna be tough, but that's the us. Yeah. I think that's a good point that Jenna made. Is uh, it does kind of stuck to hear because you feel like you're the one being slighted. But she's right because if you kind of withheld that information that you might know something that is kind of a lie by a

mission on your part. And I would say it's maybe like a lesser of a lie if if that is the truth, but it is still a bit of dishonesty. So so yeah, I would agree with everyone. I would say the best thing you can do is have a conversation with her about it and just like approach it gently and don't speak in like definitive terms or no matter of fact. We just kind of like be more inquisitive and then get the best answer that you can out of her and hopefully you know that's what you

want to hear. Yeah, I think thanks, Okay, also appreciate Yeah, thanks for calling him. We appreciate it. Best to luck and uh yeah, take care alright, thanks to holidays, Lizzie. Hi, how are you hello? Hello? How are you? Thank you for joining us? How can we help you today? Um? Well, my supervisor he sends me text with like kissie emojis in it. Um. He also compliments you regularly or like makes comments on my looks. Um. Yeah, like for example,

oh you need to look through your long lashes, you know. Um. Then he also touched many two times of one time in public and one time in private. Um. But I don't know if I'm just like making things up in my head or like this is just really inappropriate. Um. Also, I'm like his only female trainee like the rest of males, So I just think maybe it's he just doesn't know how to interact with women in the workplace. Yeah, it sounds it sounds inappropriate to me, just based off of

those two things he said. I I have for some reason, it always pops up on my Reddit page, the anti work subreddit, and it always talks about how it's not a bad thing to have like friendly relationships with your supervisors, but a lot of times the leverage they're like positive relationship with you to get more work out of you. In certain ways. And I'm not saying that's what he's doing here. It sounds like he might be like, you know,

more flirtatious that it needs to be. But that's definitely something in my opinion, like if it were happening to me, I would want to put a stop to it as soon as possible. And it is like a tricky field to navigate. Um, but what what Jena, and what do

you guys think? Well, so I actually had this happen like multiple times with different the different bosses, and there the problem is, is there really actually not a good I don't have the perfect answer for it because it also depends like just on the person and how they respond, like just what your situation is. So I've had one that I just kind of ignored it for a long time, is kind of let it go, and it actually became

kind of, um, kind of like an abusive relationship. If I was nice to him, I would get like you'd give me like good projects that day and be generally

like nice. And if I was not, he would give me, um, just just awful, awful job and say I have you know I have the power to fire you, and he would start making me warm up his food and he would start touching me and he would be like, you need to stay after work and do It was kind of it was like in a gym atmosphere, so you could say you need to do my workout as like part of the team thing, and he would and too close and just do and it was it was bad. But do you know what. It took me a long

time and I finally I finally reported it. A lot got fired. So that was not a good it was. It was just it was a bad situation and maybe it could have been avoided if I would have said something more directly to him before. But I was always too scared. I needed the job, and I didn't. I thought the same thing. I'm like, am I kind of like is it not as big of a deal? My

just creating this, my being dramatic. But I want to say, I think the best thing to do would be to be very directed, like not me, but like standing up for yourself and to literally I mean, I think for like a man, you have to say it in play in terms that's not that's not really appropriate. I want to make sure we're keeping our relationship just purely like professional, like where you probably shouldn't touch me. I appreciate that

you've said some nice things. I mean that that's nice, but just maybe maybe don't say them to me, Like I I don't know. I don't have a good answer for it because I've never really had a great outcome with it. Um, but I have learned, like years later, I should have definitely said no, so have definitely set up for myself it wasn't okay, And that you can't tell them. It's just you have to find a a way like to tell them because if they get like offended too easily. I mean, they can just make your

life stuck at work. It's not fair. It's just how it is. So I'm sorry, that's like that's the worst. I'm sorry too that that is not a good position to be in. Jared, let's hear your perspective, because you are a boss, and I'm sure you never told the line there, But how would you how would you handle a situation like that? I mean, yeah, I would listen to Jenna and I would say that you should definitely say something. You should just tell them how uncomfortable it's

making you feel. Or maybe there's an HR department that you can report to. Definitely, don't hold it in. Definitely say something. It's a Lincoln can continually get worse. Just say something, I don't know the tough gender. Do you? Are you nervous if they see if this person says something, I am, Yes, I am, because I don't, Yeah, because I don't want you to have to like deal with the negative repercussions that I know can come from offending a man in power sometimes, and I know that I

must feel like we need to like practice this year. Like, Okay, let's say, let's just say, Jared, let's just say I'm trying to talk to you, Okay, Like like I don't this isn't even the same at all, But like how would you respond? Like just try to put yourself in the position if I were to say, okay, if I were to say, and now, would this be would this

be a do you know what? I would this be a text conversation, email conversation or face to face because the problem with face to face is it's not recorded. That's what they say, right, they say it, they say say it, forget it, or yes, say I forget it, right, regret it. But it's also a good thing because then you have a record it. But I'm just gonna say, let's say it was face to face one day, because actually, I think you're gonna have to have more than one conversation,

so let's just say something happened. You just be like, UM, I don't think you should you should say those things to me. It's just not really really appropriate for work. It's not really professional. Um, but thank you, you know, um not I mean thank you. Oh gosh. Like I'm trying to think of, like do you know what I'm saying is it's such a sensitive situation and if he if he will, if he gets offended easy, it could he could blow up. I would say, if you do

talk face to face, there should be something. There should be a witness there. There's gotta be a third part of at least maybe an email saying how you feel, but like not too in depth. Just I think we maybe not even saying anything you did, just like I think we should keep our relationship professional. Maybe I'm reading into things, Lizzie. Does that help you at all? Do you think that that may be cleared something up for you? Yeah? Because it is very very sensitive subject and I'm just

now a trainee. So like if I if I continue working here, then it's like I don't want it to get worse, But I also don't want to be training so hard and then get fired because yeah, blow him off, And I mean, I don't know it's it's so I want you to at least know that it's not in your head and it's not okay, and it will get worse. Like I'm not saying terribly worse, but like if you if if it's allowed, that's your that's they're perceiving you

saying it's okay, and they will keep doing it. So I do feel like it could come up like if he does something, I would almost maybe wait and and when something happened just be like, yeah, that's that's unprofessional. Just let please don't do that. Almost not a joke, but almost like okay, let's just move on. And then if he does something in do you remember when I

told you I don't that that's not okay? But and and um, but I would be things he's going to have a response and I don't know what that response is, but that's gonna affect the next step. I also, I agree um with Jennath that definitely should be something that you can trace back so if you talk face to face, there has to be someone there. Um, I'm because I you know, don't record a private conversation. I don't know if that opens up the whole can of worms. I

don't even know. My point is, talk face to face. You have a witness there. Like anytime I have to talk to an employee and either let them go or it's a serious conversation, there's always someone else in the room, and then there's a camera in the room as well. Or email text to say hey, listen just makes me feel uncomfortable. Let's just keep let's just have a platonic relationship here. Make sure that's an email text, so god forbid this person starts making your life a little bit worse.

You can have a trail of saying, you know, things change after I sent this, or things change after I had this conversation. So I think they're punished me because of this. Okay, Yeah it is really Yeah, it's a really hard because when it starts small, like oh your eyelashes, like how could you you know? That's not like harassing you. But this also is not okay, and it will get it'll it'll continue. So yeah, you're a lot of say no, and you're law to stick up for yourself. Yeah, best

of luck, hopefully navigate. Thank you, yeah, of course, thank you for calling, and we appreciate it, of course. By y'all, bye bye. Yeah, all right, well that's gonna do it for this week's episode of Help I Suck At Dating. Jenna, you have been amazing. Thank you so much for joining us. We really appreciate you. Guys are amazing. Thank you for listening to me. I feel like I feel like I've actually learned some things and I'm perspectively. Yeah. Usually that

doesn't happen too much on this podcast. Yeah, usually people are dumber after they're listening. Look, that's okay. Yeah, well I've definitely gotten dumber throughout the years of recording this podcast. I can only imagine what the listeners must feel. But but yeah, thank you so much. You're a breath of fresh air. It seems like you are absolutely killing it, and we are so proud and happy of you. Are proud of you and happy for you, and we hope to have you back on the podcast to co host

with us against you. Yeah, let's do it. Yes, Thanks Jenna, Hi Bi, thank you so much. Follow help by suck at dating on I Heart Radio or wherever you listen to podcast m HM