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my my adventure is. Ashley and I went to hobby lobby the other day and I'm not gonna lie. I felt it was the most I felt alive in a long time. Tell me what you get. Well, it was off fall things, so that's why we went yeup trying to decorate both the house and Audrey's. So it was. It was pretty extravagant, man, and we were in there for a couple, let's say, almost an hour. It's a pretty long time for hobby lobby. I it was fun. So we went there and then we wanted to go

to halloween store Spirit Spirit Halloween, but unfortunately Dawson. Dawson started losing his a little bit, so, uh, we just had to go to home depot and then go home. We went to Home Deeople and hobby lobby. It was a big day. That is a big day. You guys are pretty big on the whole autumn anesthetic. I feel like, right, Oh, we're basic bitches, my friend. Oh, give me all the pumpkin uh cider apple, just give it to me all just pumping in, just pumping into my veins. Please, for

the love of God, that's exciting, man. I'm happy for you, and bigger news for you. To the Buccaneers one last night, your favorite team. Hell yes, um, the Patriots. I can't remember. Did they win or did they lose? They lost? Did they suck? It's pathetic. I'm sorry to move on from Bill Belichick. I've been ready for a while. I've been mad at him for the whole Brady situation. So, I mean, I've Mac Jones and my fantasy team, so I want him to at least do good. But he's got to

groove it back now. Apparently it's kind. But let's talk about you Dany babies. Yeah, well, you're the one who's been glad so long. Everybody's so curious, what the hell have you've been up to? Because the crazy thing about what you just did. Everybody knows that you went backpacking through Pakistan, or at least if they listen to this podcast, then you went to Everest. Crazy man climbed Everest, as you know, just another Tuesday in the Day in the life of Dean Lard. But the crazy thing for me

was that you were completely off the grid. Yeah, what do you mean, like in terms of it wasn't on the internet? Well, you also did you have cell service? Like were you able to look if you fell and broke your leg like you did skiing? Yeah, could you call someone? Um? Well, yes and no. I guess when we first started our trek in Pakistan, Uh, we got you know, you just you got a lot of time to talk, and we got to talk into the point.

I'm not a big fan of insurance companies. I'll just go out there and say, insurance, in my opinion just generally is a bit of a scam. Well yeah, until you actually are her, and then it's like, uh, the one time that's there in lies the dilemma of course you you you don't need it. Until you do, and

when you do, you wish you have it. So anyways, I was talking to the guys like the trip organizer, and he was like, yeah, you know, that's why I make everyone get insurance travel insurance and make sure I got everyone's got Global Rescue, which is like if you ever get stuck in the mountains, global Rescue, they can come pick you up in a helicopter, like essentially for free. And I was like, oh um, yeah, I never got those things because I don't really believe in insurance as

just a whole institution. And he was like super pissed at me, like he was like listen, like you don't need it technically, but as like the trip leader, I'm advising you to get it, and I think that it's definitely a good idea for you to have. And so I had to get on the satellite phone. We had a satellite phone, so I could like text Kalin every couple of days and just kind of update her and tell her what was going on. Be like babem alive, I'll talk to you in four days. I'll let you know.

I mean literally exactly, That's exactly how it went. And so I texted Kalin and I was like, hey, um, they're really upset at me for not having insurance or global rescue. Can you just like go on and sign me up for a couple of those things real quick? So if I did fall and break my leg um, they would have sent a military helicopter to come pick me up. But I don't know if you saw my stories.

There was actually an older gentleman from France who died up there just a couple of days ahead of us, and his dead body was on the glacier for like

at least four days because they had to divert. I mean, this is this is me just guessing why it was up there for so long, because Pakistan obviously had like a lot of flooding and stuff, and so I think that they had to use a lot of the resources to help the flooding victims, and they didn't have like a helicopter to come pick up this climber who had died a couple of days, so he was ahead of us, and we had to hike up and through this part of a glacier like onto this moraine, and we walked

right by his dead body. It was pretty Um, it's pretty interesting. It's definitely like the first time I'd ever have to experience that in the outdoors at least, so kind of what was the temperature on this glacier? Uh, it varied obviously, like at night it would probably get down warmer than you think. It got down to maybe like ten or fifteen degrees at night, and in the day it probably was up to like thirty five or forty degrees. So not not super cold, but obviously not

like super warm either. You know. Well, I'm thinking logistically now about this poor man who died and whether his body was frozen, which I think would be a good thing. I'm not sure, honestly. Yeah, No, I think the freezing helps. I think it helps preserve some things and makes like

the like no rotting would sit in. It was really interesting, actually, because we had known a few days in advance that a guy had died in front of us, and but he was like miles ahead of us, like we hadn't gotten up to that point yet, and we were walking along and like we were about to get off the glacier to go towards where our campsite was going to be, and there's this big orange flag in the ground, and so we were like what's this? And so we go up to it and you're like, oh, it's a sleeping bag.

Someone just left a sleeping bag here. Maybe it's like a marker for something. And then you realize that there's someone in the sleeping bag, and you realize it then that that's that's the guy. Yeah, so it was pretty crazy. And and you it's funny because you asked about what would happen to me if I broke my leg up there, and I had an answer for that. And this guy from France had a guide from Pakistan that didn't speak French,

so they couldn't communicate with each other. The guide didn't have a satellite phone, so these people had to like hike down to us and then use our satellite phone. And still even with all that, like you know, obviously the worst case scenario happened where he ended up passing away. So I mean, it's pretty crazy to think that they would let them up there without the proper resources to save themselves if they needed it. And what did um He he was like fifty one, so he was a

little on the older side. Older fifty one, that's not old. I mean, I mean, I agree, older, maybe older than the average person that goes up there. Let's say that at the least he died from as far as we know, I can't remember what the actual UH for reference for Mark our producers fifty one. So pretty much Mark Dean's calling you old or older if that makes you feel any better, Um, not necessarily that, I don't know. I

don't know. For he was older than us. He was if he was in our group, he would have been the oldest person in the group. I I was assuming maybe this gentleman was in his seventies or maybe just older and really pushing himself. But holy, that's intense, man. Yeah, he's got Maybe it's a is it apoxia? I can't remember what it is, like a pulmonary edema. It's just like, because you know our average altitude up there, and and where he ended up passing away, I want to say

it was like fifth teen thousand feet high. And so people just get altitude sickness really bad. And with altitude sickness, Um, if you don't descend to like a lower altitude fast enough and you just stay high, you obviously put yourself in more risk. But he couldn't get to a lower altitude fast enough. To recover, and so he was just stuck at this high altitude for too long and eventually, UM, I think he just died. That what do you die? Like? What what do you so? What causes death when you're

so high up? Um, that's a good question. Let's see. I think there's like a fluid build up in either your lungs or your brain because of the pressure or something like that. I'm not really quite the medical expert for it, but I'm pretty sure it's like a fluid build up in your brain or lungs or heart or something that ultimately ends up killing you. Did every four days.

On one of those four days, you're like, by the way, a gentleman passed away in front of us, and uh from being too high up all, I'll talk to you in five days when we're about another five thousand feet in the air. Yeah. No, I thought about it because like I could send her like five texts every three days, and so I was like asking some of the people we were with. I was like, do you guys think I should tell Kalin about what happened to this French

climber while we were up here? And everyone unanimously agreed that it would maybe be best to wait till after to like be able to like talk to her on the phone and and and like answer questions and and be able to describe what happened in a little bit more detail, because if you just had one text message and you're like, hey, some guy just died, like, it's kind of I think that's a bed BEDA need a little bit more context than that. Yeah, So so that

was an interesting experience. Like I've I've seen people get hurt in the mountains, I've never obviously seen anyone die in the mountains. Um, and I didn't, like, I didn't know the guy, So I'm pretty detached from it that I saw his body and stuff, I guess, which is pretty pretty gruesome. But what else? What else? So besides that, Well, so you were you backpacked through Pakistan? Yeah, okay, So

what was the purpose of backpacking through Pakistan? I mean, what's the purpose of anything, what's the purpose of having a podcast? Well, with the purpose of of climbing Mount Everest is because you're climbing the tallest mountain in the world. You're trying to get to the highest peak. So backpacking through Pakistan is it just because it's there? Is Hannah or East and said, yeah, it's there. Definitely, you're trekking through the mountains, but was there some sort of end goal?

Was there places that you wanted to see? No, that's a good question. Actually, yeah. So we trucked through this mountain range called the car Acorum and it's one of the most isolated mountain ranges in the world, I guess. And so what we did was we went over this thing called the his bar Law Glacier, which is his bar Law is the second largest glacier in the world behind Antarctica, So I guess, take Antarctic out of the equation. It's the biggest glacier in the world, and it's just

like a really remote, really beautiful area. We were the first team all season to cross it, actually, which is pretty We were pretty proud of ourselves, I guess for being the first team to cross. There was like maybe thirty other teams that had tried and all failed. So

that was pretty cool experience. But I guess why. I mean, I don't know, It's just it was one of those things where, uh, it was not much information about, but like a lot of people were excited to do something out there, and uh, The nice thing about it, I guess is we weren't going super high, Like a lot of the tricks that you do in Pakistan will get you up to like seven thousand meters, which obviously could

lead to altitude sickness and death and stuff. So I think the highest we got on this one was like, which is still you know, like sixteen thousand feet's pretty tall. Um. But it was just one of those things where it was like an interesting trek over a unique landscape, uh, in an experience unlike any other, I guess is kind of how it was all set up or proposition to us. Um. But it was cool. I mean, I've never done anything

like it before. My biggest hike before this was like eighty kilometers in five days, and this was like a hundred and thirty kilometers and thirteen days, so less per day but obviously pretty long. And we had like a huge team. There was ten of us hiking, and then we had like thirty porters, which is insane. Uh. And the porters were doing things like you know, they brought the food, they would carry like tents and supplies and stuff like that. So it was you know, it was

quite the experience. I see you guys had your own personal assistance over here. This is you guys were like pretty much at the hill in Come on, I didn't know that you have people bringing you food in tens and setting up living for you. Yeah, it was like this changes everything for me. They would cook us breakfast, cook us dinner every night. I mean that part was nice, Like I've never done that either. I would normally just be like I want to carry my own stuff and

I want to cook my own food. But it's like up there, you like need support. You need as much support as you can have. And so there was like port there was We had like people bring chickens up, like live chickens um that eventually, you know, turned into our food. We had a goat that we brought with us, like a living goat. It was like our friend for four days, and then on the fourth day they slaughtered the goat and skinned the goat, and then they cooked the goat and we ate goat for the next like

three or four or five days. Did the goat have a name? Did your friend have a name? Yeah? I was. I told Kalen the story. She thought it was pretty funny. I'm gonna spare some of the details of this story. The goat did have a name, and one of the one of the people checking with us, asked me who my least favorite ex girlfriend was, and and I gave them a name. I'm not going to say the name, got it. And and so for the rest of the trip, everyone called the goat by the name of my ex girlfriend.

And obviously, like every time they would serve us goat, they'd be like man Dean's ex girlfriend, you know, using her name taste really good. First of all, I wanted to ask if I can guess, but I feel like i'd get it, so I don't only want to go down that road. Secondly, uh, there's poor fucking goat. It's friends with you guys, it's hanging out, and then you're calling it by this name that nobody wants to hear.

And then you kill the goat and then eat him. Well, so no one knew why we were calling the goat, why we why we were calling the goat, what we were calling it. No one knew except for me and the person that named it. And at the very end of the trip, everyone was like talking about getting tattoos for you know, just to commemorate the trip. Or whatever, and everyone was like, oh, let's get the name of the goat tattooed on us, and I was like, oh, no, I can't. I can't do the next. I can't get

my ex girlfriend's name tattooed on my body. As as much as I love dump tattoos, I think that's maybe where I draw the line. And uh, yeah, it's pretty funny. No one knew that we were calling her by her name the entire time, and it was a guy. The goat was a guy too, which was whatever. But yeah, it was interesting. It was interesting to like walk with

your food and then end up eating it. It's actually, uh, I had to go the first day and it made me kind of sick and so so uh someone just mentioned the name of the chat and yeah, they nailed it right on the head um and uh, I got super sick the first day. So I didn't eat meat for the next like three two or three weeks. I was vegetarian basically the entire time I was there, And uh, I think that's kind of the way to do it. I actually I think I want to be vege more

often now because it makes me feel light. It's just it's hard to be vegetarian in America, especially like everything has meat in it and it's so delicious. Did you feel weak at all? I feel like I tried to go vegetarian, and I just felt like I had no fuel in my body. Uh No, I I felt pretty good. I don't know what it was. I like, I mean, t M I moment, I guess I was like, it's really bad diarrhea for a few days, so that was

taking it out of me. But like once my once my poop started to solidify after not eating the goat for so long, it was it turned out pretty good. Were there porter potties on this trek? What happened when you had to you know, when you had to explosive diarrhea like you did? Yeah, you just find a nice rock to sit behind and uh, bring some baby wipes

with you. It's not the most ideal. They bring like a small little tent that you can use if like, so for one of the nights, we slept on this big like out on the glacier, so there's like no rocks or no trees or anything to hide behind, and so like you kind of have to have at least like a little bit of um privacy. There, so there's like a little two ft by two ft tent. But then so we were stuck in this one campsite for

four days because the weather was really really bad. I'm sure you saw the flooding that was going on out there, and the tent stays in the same place for the entire time, and all you're doing is going right on top of the rocks. And so by day four you would go into the tent to do your business and you would see, uh, four days worth of forty people's you know, excrement, I guess, so it gets pretty gross in there. Uh So that's why I think near the end people were just like going and finding a nice

rock to go hide behind. It got pretty grimy a little bit and was like raining every day. So every night you got to sleep, you're soaking wet. It was freezing cold, so you're like cold and wet, and then you get up in the morning like hoping for some sun and then it's like really bad weather, so then you're just cold and wet all day again. It was it was. There was some moments there that were like pretty pretty for sure, um, but and then sorry I'm

rambling here, and then uh, they like send out. They set out a packing list on what's app like two months before the trip started, and I deleted my what's app because I kept getting like these like these people trying to sell me handbags on what's app and I was like, I just I don't want any notifications, and so I just handbag. I just I'm so, you're right, there's nothing wrong with a nice handbag, but just don't message me message Klein if anything for that stuff. And

so I deleted the app entirely. And so I had no like, uh, I had no like recourse with anyone from the trip. I had no way of getting in touch, and I had no idea that that's how they were staying in touch was through what'sapp and sending all these

packing lists and stuff. So I just show up with my regular bag of stuff in terms of hiking supplies, because I've never done like a glacial hike before, and we get there and you know, we start hiking through like waist deep snow and for like multiple hours a day, and I was like, I'm not prepared for this. I've got the wrong supplies. And so I had like borrow some guys hiking boots, which ultimately ended up getting soaked as well. Um, it was just it was maybe, you know,

I like to call myself a minimalist. I think this is maybe the first case where being a minimalist almost almost shot shot me in the butt as bad as as bad as it could have. But I don't know. You show up, you don't have insurance, you don't have the right supplies. This is the most dean thing I've ever heard. I'm glad. I'm glad that you just went there yourself. But you know what, I'll tell you what. I'll tell you what people had. These people had these

big bags. What you could do is you could have an extra second bag, like one that you wouldn't wear, but you like give it to one of the porters to carry. And I'm orders, oh, well, I mean, it's not like they're they're getting compensated for their work, you know, it's not like they're working for free. I'd love to

know how much they make. I'm sure it's less than it should be, but if they weren't getting paid, well, I think it's still I think it's still above average for like a person from the area would get paid doing something else. Like they're still making better money than the other people in the area, I think I would assume. Um, And so you can give these people a second bag with like, you know, whatever you wanted to have in it, your luxuries, your uh, puffy jackets, your extra socks and

all that stuff. And I was like, no, I don't want anyone to carry an extra bag for me. I'm going to carry it all on my bag. And so everyone was like freezing cold on this one campsite for four days while the weather was so bad, and they're like putting on their sixth layer of jackets or they're you know, they're super fuzzy socks with their big warm shoes, and I'm just sitting there, like literally wearing shorts and a jacket made for like keeping me dry, not for

keeping me warm. Uh. And so there was a few moments where I was kind of regretting my decision for not having brought more, but I in the moment it sucked. In hindsight, I'm really proud of myself because those guys all were, like you said, live in the dream, four seasons, etcetera. And I was, I was miserable. And so I think I get a little bit more badge of an honor for being as miserable as I was, if you will. So, I mean that was it. That was basically Pakistan. It

was thirteen days, super bad weather. Uh. We were the first team, like I said, to cross over the past, which was really exciting. And yeah, it was. It was a good experience. Pakistan, like itself, is an interesting country because they're super Uh they're Muslim out there, so there's like no booze. They don't really party in the streets like in this place called scar Do that we went. I didn't see a single woman or a single child in the streets for like the three days we were there.

It's all then, it's just it's it's quite a culture shock. Like I thought India was a culture shock, and I think Pakistan is even more of a shock than India was because it's just even a little bit further removed from our life than we're used to. I guess, yeah, I agree. So you went on this trip, what do you think? I guess My question is I understand, of course,

why you do these things. There's so many times where I feel like I kind of want to just get away, But like, so you did this trip, what do you think you got out of it? You know, what do you I'm like, we talked about like I understand certain things like Everest, You're like, I'm going to climb the

tallest mountain in the world. But like, you go through these backpacking adventures and you do these things, and like and you said that you look back and you're proud of yourself, as you will should be, because holy it's quite an accomplishment. Plus, you guys are the first one first team to cross the across the what the past the threshold, first team to do that in the middle of the worst flooding Pakistan has seen in a very

long time, So that's quite impressive. But so like, spiritually emotionally, what do you think you got out of this? Um? I think with this trip specifically, this trip specifically. I remember it was like day five or something and we were like sixty kilometers in and I was just thinking to myself, Uh, I was like, man, I feel good. I feel like I could keep going. I feel like I could go for I could. I felt like I

could go as long as I possibly needed to. If they were like, hey, it turns out we actually have to walk another five hundred miles, I would I feel like I would have been like, great, let's do it, because I feel like I can do absolutely anything right now. I think a lot of these trips, and this type of trip specifically, is one of those things where once you like look back and see what you've done, because like, day by day it doesn't feel like you're doing a

whole lot. You're going like maybe ten miles and getting like five in altitude doesn't feel like a whole lot. But then you look back on the culmination of what you have done and you're like, Wow, we just did a whole bun. And So I think what a trip like this does for someone like me, I guess is reminds me or shows me. I guess that I can I feel like I can kind of just do I can kind of just do anything. I guess maybe that's

what it is. I don't know that sounds like kind of conceited, but there were so many times where I like literally was like I feel like I can just do anything in the world. I feel like I'm unstoppable. And then even like going to every space camp afterwards too, I like got done with every space Camp and I had just walked, you know, eighty miles over the course of five days, and I was like, I literally texted

my brother. I was like, I could feel like I could just turn around and go back up there and do it again if I wanted to. Like, I don't know, I feel like trips like this it just gives you a bunch of confidence and makes you feel really good about your survivability, I guess, especially if you have a bunch of reporters helping you out and carrying some stuff for you. Um. Obviously, yeah, that part was that part I didn't like very much. And I it was like my second time doing it. I also did it on

the Inca Trail. But it just doesn't feel as natural as it should in my opinion. You know, like if you go out into the woods to go climb something or go truck through something, I feel like you should be responsible for yourself. You shouldn't really rely on someone else to be responsible for any of your own comforts, creature comforts or whatever. Uh. And the porter's gonna take you out of that a little bit. But there was this we had like one shirt but with us a guide.

His name was Sue Hale. He was the man uh crossing a lot of the glacier was really dangerous because there's crevasses everywhere. So like we all had a rope up to each other. So we're all tied together with like five five what's crevasses. A crevass is like I'm sure you've seen the movie like Into the Void or something like that. A crevass is like a huge, uh like crevice in the Yeah, huge gap. And that glacier uh in Pakistan is up to a mile deep at

some points. So I imagine you just walked along and you fall into this crevasse that's a mile deep, You're obviously gonna be gone forever for the christ. Yeah, So we had to tie together and like walk through these like crevass fields every you know, ten steps or so, you'd have to navigate a new crevasse and that would either like unentail going around it, jumping over it, whatever

it is. Uh. And some people felt like I fell into a crevass, but thankfully we were roped together, so like I didn't fall far and then I just get pulled out. Never mind, this was the stupidest thing you've ever done in your entire life. That's insane. Yeah, Yeah, that was the first for me. Too. Uh it was fell. Did you look down? Did you see? How can you see how far this goes? The ones that you could you would like leap over a couple of them and like look down as you leaped, and you like would

not you wouldn't be able to see the bottom. It was like you're really looking into an empty void? Good could you? I mean obviously the fall would kill you, so you couldn't. You wouldn't die, you know, you can't fall a mile and fuck do you think you die on the way down? You would probably like pinball off everything, like playing Plinko on the way down. I don't know. Into the void. I'm sure you've heard of the movie

at least. I think like this guy gets stuck in a crevass and there's no way for him to go up, and so the only thing for him to do is go further down. And I think you like found an exit point somewhere, which I think it's based on a real story, and if it is, it's pretty insane because it's like the it's like the ice version of twenty seven hours. You know, like you're fully committing, like all or nothing. This has to work otherwise I'm dead. I

guess kind of situation. So you fell, you slipped and fell, you fell into this Yeah, well it's not like uh yeah, so it's not like you slip and fall and and it's probably not what you picture. It's not like you're

free hanging in this crevass. So with especially with the storm system that rolled in, there was like a big fresh coat of snow over all of these big crevasses, and so instead of like seeing them and like being these huge holes in the ground, you're just basically walking along and all of a sudden you fall into the snow.

The ground gives out, Yeah, exactly. Uh, and so there's still a lot of snow around you, so you would like fall and then you'd be like up to your nipples in deep snow, knowing that underneath you is a huge void. Um. But you can still kind of like use the snow around you to like keep yourself above the like I guess, like ground line. Why would you only fall to your nipples because that's because you're tied

and that's how low you can go. Yeah, so you like keep tension on the rope and so you like you fall slow because you like it's like quicksand and yeah, yeah, I mean it sounds crazy, and it definitely was. There was like the first like because everyone fell at some point. I would say there's out of the tent of us. Everyone fell probably at least two or three times, some more,

some less. Um. But by like the second or third time you fall, you're just like more annoyed at yourself than you are scared for anything, because the person above you and the person behind you are far enough away to where the rope is tight and so like I could even just almost like pick my feet up and be hanging in the air, you know what I mean. Like it's a pretty safe all things considered, unless, of course, there was like a huge break and then everyone foul.

Then that would really suck. Uh. But you guys are like monkeys the game, you know, you just all go over the cliff exactly. Yeah, the monkeys in a verial great game that mnds me a toy story. The big day was I think I might have already mentioned a little bit about this, but we the day we went over the pass was the big day. Uh. It was like twelve hours we were hiking and we went over this pass and we like had to get the weather window perfectly right, because it was it was like standing

inside of a ping pong ball. Essentially every direction you looked, you could see ten ft in front of your face, and then it just became like white and gray or rain. It was just like really bad, Like we were in a cloud, so like the visibility was really bad. Um and so we like had a small weather window to make it work. And so we got over the pass and then the clouds came in and we couldn't see

anything for like the next eight hours. We were just like walking and it was it was the most like psychologically challenging thing I think I've ever done in my life, where you're freezing cold. My feet were soaking wet. Every step I took, I would get buried in snow up to my waist and I have like pull my foot out and then do that, you know, a million more times. And it was cold and you couldn't see anything, so it's like you don't have any reference on where you're going.

You would like stop every five or ten minutes and like look at the GPS or look at your compass or something and figure it out, but there was no like there was no reference for anything. And so you're just like you're pissed and cold and scared and lost. And then eventually, like you start going down and like the weather clears a little bit and gets a little bit warmer, and like things like start getting better a little bit. But for like five or six hours, it

was it felt like all hope was lost. Um. I never like felt scared or unsafe, I guess in terms of anything like that, but there it was just like psychologically it was a challenge because normally when you're hiking, you can like step on solid ground and see pretty sites, but this was not the case. So that was kind of the hard day and then everything kind of got better from there fortunately, But it was I mean, it was great experience despite all that. It sounds wonderful. Yeah,

So what made you want to do Everest? And that was just by a win. It was like kind of vio him I had. Uh. Yeah. So we got done with Pakistan uh and we made our flights, which is pretty uncommon. We got back to Islamabad when we were supposed to, even though we had to stay at four days at this other camp, and so before we left, I booked like an early early flight to get me to Dubai because there's no flights from Pakistan to Nepal because Pakistan has a lot of troubled relations with a

lot of their neighboring countries. And so I was like, I'll just fly to Dubai and I'll figure out, you know, whatever I've been in the mood to do, I'll just do it. And every stop base Camp is something I've always kind of wanted to do. I think this time I was gonna, Uh I was any even going like Laos or Vietnam or something like renting a motorcycle for a couple of weeks and just like traversing the country via motorcycle. But I guess I was just excited about

the trek through Pakistan. So and like I said, I felt like I was literally unsolved. I felt like I could do anything. I felt like I could just I could do I could go anywhere and do anything. I was I don't know why I was popped up on ivy prof and I think so I was just like I was looking at the world through rose colored glasses, and uh, he was like talking to some guys who

had done Everest before every space camp. Just for clarification, not actually climbing Everest, and they were all talking like, Oh, you don't have enough time, you won't be able to do it. Oh it's too far, you shouldn't go alone, hire a guide. And every time they said something like that, I was like, oh, you son of a gun. I'm I feel like I need to do this just to prove you wrong. So every space camp typically is a twelve day trek as well. You spend eight days going

up and you spend four days going down. And I was like, I can do this in five days. I was like looking at the numbers and stuff, and I was like, I could just do thirteen miles a day on the way up and twenty miles a day on the way down. Like easy. I mean, it would suck, and it's not. It's a lot of work, but it's not nearly as impossible as people make it seem. Uh. And so I texted Kalin and I was like I

don't know what to do. What should I do? And she was like, well, you've been talking about every space camp a lot, so just go out and do that. And I was like, yeah, okay, cool. Sold. And then Danielle is my manager, and she she was kind of pissed at me. She's like, we've got a lot of brand deals that are gonna fall through if you don't get back by September twelve at the at the latest.

And I was like, okay, cool. That kind of like gives me a hard stop, Like I have to do every space camp in six days or less because otherwise I'll lose all this money that I desperately need. And so get to get to Cough Mon Do. I feel like I have been. I haven't stopped talking like an hour.

I got to get to Cough Mon Do and Nepaul uh, and it was like fine weather there, but the weather in luke Low, which is the starting point for the trek, the weather in luke Low is really bad and so they can't fly their airplanes into Lukla Airport because there was zero visibility. Again, it's like monsoon season there, or like just just after mon student season is ending, it is like now ramping up again for trekking. And so

I was like, oh, it sucks. I just flew all the way to Nepal and now I can't even fly to Everest to do the thing that I'm here to do. Uh. And then some guy comes up to me at the airport and he's like, hey, yeah, the airplanes don't fly, but the helicopters will fly you there. And I'm like, oh, that's pretty sick. That's that's pretty sick. So they're like, yeah, all you need to do is pay five bucks to this guy, I'll fly in a helicopter. How are you

a lot? How the hell are you alive? And he was like, we need to have it in cash, and I was like, I don't have it. So he's like cool, following me. So I leave the airport with this random guy. I get on the back of his motorcycle and he drives me. He drives me to an a t M and I take out two fifty dollars in Napoli rupees to pay him to put me on his helicopter. Uh. And it was actually kind of nice because I was

going alone. I could like get one spare, so like this group of four was going and there's five seats in the helicopter and they're like, yeah, you're the you could just take the extra seat because obviously you're going alone. So it kind of helps a little bit. So I get to Nepal, I'm sorry, I get to Luca Airport and the weather sucks, uh, and it drops you off like two miles further down and like five further down.

So it just like adds the trek, which was kind of she and then yeah, and then I just figured, I don't know, I guess the So I'm trying to explain why I was doing every space camp. I don't know. I mean, I get it. You challenge yourself, right, and you're and you want to people are telling you can't do it. Plus it's something you always want to do, and it's challenging. I get it. That's why people travel alone.

It's a little bit of a it's it's like a competitive nature against yourself, you know, can I do this? Can I be by myself? Can I survive? Can I reach this? Can I do this in seven days? Of course, you're always competing with your stuff. Yeah. Uh yeah, that was And it was a nice like contrast between the two trips because in Pakistan, obviously I was with the bigger group and I had a blast and I made some great friends, like like some lifelong friends that I'm

excited to spend more time with. Uh. You know, we had like a bunch of foreigner foreign people from like Portugal and Turkey and Australia and Switzerland. Uh. And I love many people like that because they're always so unique and they always have so many great stories to share. And then in in Nepal, I was percent by myself. I think, I sure, I think you saw the stories. I had this dog that followed me for the first

couple of days and we became good friends. Uh and so like both of them, and I saw the stories. I just want to confirm you didn't eat the dog, correct, No, I did not think a dog that, although he did kind of screw me over in the end, so I wouldn't eat in per se. But wait, how did the dog screw you over? Yeah? So he like latched on him at the very beginning of the track, like literally half not even half a mile in and I I had never done the treck before obviously, so I didn't

really know where to go. So I was just like kind of following the dog. And there was this one point where I was supposed to turn left, and the dog made me turn right to go to this place called Chu Kong. And I get there after like ten miles and spending like a good amount of time and I find out that's where the dog lives. So the dog was like using me to like escort and back home essentially, and I was like feeding the dog the

whole time. I was bringing the dog into the room with me and like letting it sleep in bed with me and stuff. I mean, he's I mean, it's pretty good. He's like, Who's who's my bitch? Who's the who's the dummy there? He's singled, who's it gonna be? Who's who? There's my bitch? Yeah, he's the water boy kicker for sure. Uh. And then the poll check is very different than the Pakistan one because every space cam check is like super well developed. There's like little villages you'll pass by every

like five or so miles. And so I got up to this village and again it's off season, so everything's closed, and these guys were like doing construction on one of the one of the tea houses that you stay in, and I was like ordering a cup of coffee, get on the wifix. I was lost, and I was like needed to download a map. Uh, yeah, there's WiFi up there, which is pretty crazy. And while the map was downloading,

it took like twenty or thirty minutes. I was like, I'm just gonna go walk around because I haven't seen the dog in thirty minutes. And I walk around and I like see him sitting under like in the shady area, under a tree, and I go up to h. I'm like, every what are you doing. Let's go, buddy, like, let's get the heck out of here. And he, for the first time I had seen him, he was like so content. He like wasn't excited to see me. He's like, no,

I'm just staying right here. And so I started like yelling. I was like, is anyone around here? Like hello, where's the owner of this building? And this lady walks out and she was like what are you doing? And I was like, is this your dog? And she goes, yeah, I haven't seen him in like a week. Thanks for bringing him home to me. I was so bissed, and I was like this mother, the son of a gun made me walk It was like maybe thirty miles away from where he was just to get him home. But

it was still a good experience. He and I will still be bonded for life. And actually, some of the guys I treked with in Pakistan want to go back to Nepal in the spring to climb a couple of mountains out there, and you have to pass through that town that he brought me to. So I will maybe get to see him again come springtime. Uh in Chu Kong. We'll see it. We'll see if that ends up happening.

But yeah, it was. Every space camp was you know, I guess more of an accolade in the sense where like if I say I went to Pakistan and trucks for two weeks, people are gonna be like, okay, But if you say you went to ever space camp, like, it's obviously a lot more notable of the place. So so I guess there's like that to it. How is Kalen throughout this entire time. Yeah, she's been great. She's she's my human cheek code. I decided to start calling her she Uh it makes me feel like I've been

going through life with the cheek codes activated. She's been great. She has been super supportive. She would always check in tell me how much she misses me, which, uh, it's nice to hear, I guess. At the same time, it kind of makes me feel guilty. You're like, a shoot, she misses me, I should probably get back to her. Uh, but no, she was great. She was part of the reason I decided to go to Nepal because she, like I said, she knew how much I wanted to do it,

and yeah, she's supportive. I guess, which, dude, what else could you ask for? Right, Ashley won't let me go golfing for four hours? How in the hell do you get Kalen to be like, Hey, listen, I know you've been gone for fourteen days, probably almost died about three, four or five different times on your trek through Pakistan. But go to Everest, enjoy yourself. Not only that, but you not only did you do Everest, you were also planning on just going to Louse and renting a motorcycle

to ride around Vietnam. Yeah. Well, goddamn sake, that's what she is. She does get upset when I played too much golf. Let's just be clear about that. It's a little a different of a situation, I guess, So you tell me. What I have to do is just tell Ashley that I'm going backpacking through Pakistan for two weeks when it's really just a boy's trip and I'm gonna be playing eighteen holes every day. Yeah, that's exactly right.

I think I don't know, maybe because the president was set like, hey, I'm gonna be gone for four weeks. And also, you know, she was doing her own things. She was going to New York with their friends, punk springs, their friends, weddings, etcetera, etcetera. Say she was being a little socialized herself. Um, but yeah, no, I mean, obviously it's great to have her support with everything. I don't think I can do this very often. I think it is kind of like maybe a once a year sort

of thing. Uh. But I think one of the things that I most like. I remember when we were doing this podcast like three or four years ago, and I remember you asking me the question like, why am I so averse to being in a relationship, And I think one of my answers at the time was, well, I like having the ability to like pick up and go take off for a month and go, you know, either chasing my dreams or fulfill a life long goal of mine.

And I feel like if I was in a relationship, I wouldn't be able to do that, and so it's nice to have a partner in my life that allows me to do that kind of stuff. To be fulfilled in that. Not many people would be, man, not many people would be at all. So it's pretty awesome. Yeah. But at the same time too, if it were flipped around, if she was like, I gotta go to this place and do this thing, I'd be like I would I mean, I would hope I would be. I think I would be.

I would be super supportive of it too. I think any partner, uh would that would like withhold you from doing something you really want to do is not necessarily the person that you want to be with. Aside from like, yeah, like maybe golfing with your buddies for six hours and getting drunk isn't the best thing to be being supported on. You know, Like I can see why Caitlin or actually would get upset about that, but you know, sometimes you just need a break. Okay, Um, last question before we

move on, because man, this flew by. We only have like ten minutes left. Um, because you talked about weddings and Caylen went to Wells and Centers, so you miss Wells and Sarah's wedding. Yeah, Wells is pretty bummed at me for that, and I'm obviously super bummed to have missed it. As well. It was so annoying, Like, I mean, look,

I get it. You you play on your wedding date pretty far in advance, but Wells didn't send out his invitations until like a month before the wedding, and so well, and to make it even worse, I had to miss wells bachelor party because my brother was getting married that weekend. So you know, I love my brother. I couldn't miss his wedding, and so I missed well as his bachelor party. He sends the invites to his wedding like a couple of weeks later, and I was like, well, I literally

leave for Pakistan like three days before your wedding. What the hell? I was trying so hard to get them to reschedule. Obviously that's never gonna happen. Yeah, no, I'm sure Sarah would be totally done rescheduling for you for your trek through Pakistan. Dean. I feel so guilty too. I love Wells and he I mean, it's not like he's made me feel guilty about missing the wedding or anything like that, but I still feel really bad about it. And then I was thinking too, I was like, whatever,

they've got like a six person guest list. I'm not gonna be missed at all. This is fair, you know, all right, were you guys there? No, no Wells and well we're friends with Wells and we've met Sara a few times. She's very sweet and I'd say we're friends with Sara too, Um, but we're not super close, Like I don't I never expected an invitation with our wedding, and then you know, we didn't invite them to our wedding. It's always like they were definitely we thought about it.

We're like, do we invite Wells and Sour you know, because then it's just like always awkward because we're like we really want them. We don't think we want like I'd love to have them there. But it's kind of like it was very similar to like what happened with Vanessa here, where it was like it's like you have only a certain amount of people you can invite and like we're really friends with them, and then also I guess a few years ago. It is also different because

Ashley had a little thing with Wells. Were so far removed from that now that it's it's like you even forget that that even happened. Um, that's what I was gonna ask that because they they're not excess, but they went on a date together. You know. Yeah, I guess they would be more weird for Ashley. But now it's like you just forget it even happened, you know. But I guess a couple of years ago it was a little different. Maybe I don't know. It's hard putting back

in that place that actually makes me. I think I've thought not a lot about this, but I've had some friends get married recently to where, uh, they're like my better friends, you know, like that my best friends, but still good friends. And if like, let's say you go to a wedding and you're not a groomsman, and then let's say I get married and I like, like maybe something,

maybe I would have someone as a groomsman. But then they get married and I'm not a groomsman in their wedding, and then you kind of feel weird asking them to be a groomsman in your wedding because you were in a groomsman in their wedding. You know. Yeah, it's always life is just full of awkwardness. That's all it is. Life is friends in life is like you're MySpace Top eight it's like you're constantly just overthinking things and being

stressed out for no goddamn reason. It's so stressful. I like, I don't I almost don't want to get married just because I don't want to have to pick any friends to attend or be groomsman or anything, because it terrifies me. Yeah, it's quite terrifying. But then you you know, in the moment, it's very stressful, and then you realize it's really nobody caress and if you do care, then shut up, you know, I mean, get over. I kind of care. I kind of care a little bit. No, I guess I don't care.

But like when my best friends are also grooms been and I'm like looking around and I'm like, dang, I'm the only one that's not a groomsman. What did I do wrong? And then I'm like, oh, yeah, I know what I did wrong. I'm an asshole. And I disappear for months at a time, and I don't talk to you tonight, I don't text anybody back. I'm like, I really am such a bad friend. When I'm like around them, I'm great, but like I just didn't. Yeah, like hard to get ahold of hard to respond so I guess

I get it. I get it. You know you were we were talking about you at the shop yesterday, or I was because somebody bought Lucy and Clark are our children's book, and you're one of the dog's names. You know. We had a little name tags for every friends and there's you know, Ben and Tanner and so on and so forth, and um I was going through it and I was like, oh, there's Ben and there's Dean. And then we were talking. They were like, oh, why are

they those particular dogs? And I was like, I think, if I remember correctly, we all we wanted like a dog associated with like their personality, and you were like a little pug. And I was like, Dean, I'm pretty sure's pug because like he always on the carpet, but he's so adorable and so cute. You're like, it's okay, Dean, Damn, I'm a pug. Are pretty cute. I'll take a few. Pugs are great. They're the best. Do we even get into hot topics, like we have like five minutes to go.

I can't believe I just rambled on for forty five minutes. I feel like I'm like sick of hearing myself talk. Basically it was great. No, I mean, dude, it was pretty fascinating and good god. Uh he have Dean had some stories. Yeah, you should listen to the podcast. Actually it's coming out. Well, let's let's get through some hot topics here pretty quickly. We'll we'll rapid fire these things. Um.

So the first one is Emily Radakowski Radikowski. Yeah, Emily Radikowski says she's recently she's a recently single person in thinking about dating amid Sebastian Bear mcleard split. Let me just say this, Emily Radikowski, Yeah, em Rada. Why is she called em Rada? That's just like your Instagram handle,

I think so that's kind of like Danny babies to you. Yeah, okay, recently single person in thinking about dating, Emily, if you could, you could have anybody in the world, you know what I mean, Like, there are certain people in this world that I can't take seriously when they talk about dating, because I mean, m em ra what is her nickname, em Rada? I mean, your think think about dating, just

look at someone. Honestly, if she looked at me, Ashley would probably be like, you need to you need to date her, like, you need to do this for me. She cheated on, she was cheap, she got cheated on. I will say it's funny enough. I was just on TikTok and she popped up on my for you page and I was just like going through her videos. She had a baby like a year ago, and she's already back into bikini and looks exactly the same as she did before she had her baby. Well, yeah, you know,

she's probably can afford a personal trainer. Uh, that's crazy. Not say that it makes it any easier. Trust me. That's why I actually go through it. And you know it can be really hard to lose that weight. But that's crazy. So this guy, Sebastian Bear mcleard, who the hell is this? Do we know he cheated on her? Whoa damn you? Will you ask Ashley while you have her next year? She he's like dating someone new. I think someone like Pete Davidson or something. I think dating

somebody ram Roda. Uh well then how about Dean. What about Pete Davidson and her? Yeah that's cool. Let's let's start shipping this right now. Pete Davidson and em Rata. It was someone it was some noteworthy guy dating her, and I was because I was confused to Oh, it's Brad Pitt, that's who it was. Shut the hell up. You're telling me that Brad Pitt is possibly dating this girl. Yes, well that's the that's the rumor. At least, like Brad

Pitt was going through a renaissance. I mean, he's always been Brad Pitt, but like, holy this year, it's been like Brad Pitt Central. Yeah. I think he like slid into her d MS or something. I have no idea how. I like, I heard this in Pakistan from like a Pakistan porter. He was like, yeah, did you hear about em brod a Brad pit How the hell did you hear about this in Pakistan? It's global news, man, it's big news. They love em Rodo out there on acting

these Emily Radikowski and Brad I don't know. I can't Radikowski Radikowski, dude, I mean, listen, you're obviously way harder than her. Ashley, You're way hotter than her. I'm not Mike, you do Look, I mean there's a similarity. I'm I'm not joking. There is a similarity. But she is um, she's good looking. She's she's very good looking. Yeah, she's she's pretty good looking. The blurred lines are haven't thick?

Video really said her over the over the edge for for most men, I think this is the guy bear this guy she didn't. This guy sucks anyway. So, according to the source, Brad Pitt wasted no time after he found out that she possibly split with her husband, that she did split with her husband. He asked her out and she said, yes, she always thought Brad was cute. Dah, always like these people. I always thought Brad Pitt was cute. Yeah. I always thought the sky was blue too, you know.

I always thought, well, I always thought water was wet. I guess, you know, like wire was wet. Good God, so I really need so. Apparently, a rep for Brad Pitt has denied all claims of romantic involvement. Uh and there's really no evidence. I where did this rumor even come from. I've been googling this whole time. I don't see anything. I agree. Brad Pitt's like the most recognizable person in the world, and Emeralda is also pretty pretty recognizable.

So it happening maybe, But um uh, yeah, what's this next one? What's this next one we got. We have an only fans model saying that only fans has ruined her dating life once again, water wet water. What what do you think about that? Let's say Ashley Man, it's so hard because she's the mother, you're a child. Let's say actually started on these fans. How would you feel about that? Well, I mean I wouldn't want Ashley to

starting only fans. Really depends on how much money we were making off this thing, but of course it's oh yeah, we we came up with a number of what are porn? Are our sex tape would have to be? Yet I gotta know this is this took the best possible turn. What did we what do we ten million with the approval of our parents? You can't get your parents approval today. We can talk to him and be like, listen, listen, mom, dad,

oh please. If I went to my parents and I said, listen, I'm being offered ten million dollars to have a leaked sex tape, my my own mother would be like, you have to do this. This is life changing money. Do you know all hard your father and I have worked to have this moment be be presented to you. Please please bring this up to Ashley. I remember Kim Kardashian once saying that she's getting scared when her kids get old enough to google her having a sex it. Yeah,

I listen. I know it's not ideal for Dawson. But also I'm looking at Dawson right now and Buddy like you're do you do you know how many toys this will bring to you? Do you your college tuition done paid for? Buddy? Yeah, he'd have his candy, he'd have a castle outside the backyard. So your number is ten million? Huh, Well that's what we said. Honestly, if somebody came up to us. First of all, nobody would come up to us US ten million dollars. What would your number be?

I bet you by the end of this week you'll have an offer for not ten million, but you'll have an offer somewhere. Well, dude, if I'll let you know, if you see my hairy ass on the internet, you know we got paid ten mill um. What would my number be? I bet you my number is around the same as yours. I think maybe a little higher. Uh maybe, just you know, supplying demand kind of scarcity, principal, drive up the price as best I can I think Kitlin

would wouldn't do it for a million dollars. I think she would say, no, it's basically any price you're talent. There was a hundred million dollars. Yeah. Do you want me to get her down here and ask? Yeah, just ask her. I'm just gonna call her on the phone. I'll put on speaker hundreds. Hey, I have a quick question for you. Should I come down No? No, No, we can just do it over the phone here. Um, if we were to make a sex how much money would it cost for us to get a sex tape

leaked of us? Right? I said you wouldn't do it for less than a hundred hundred million is what I meant. Hundred million, all right, all right, so she would do it. I'm surprised fifty million. I would say yes, for fifty million, there's no question. It's just it's a little I mean, obviously it's it's obviously it poured us. So it kind of comes to the territory. I just kinda feel icky and vulnerable and like exposed. Well, yeah, I'm only doing

it for the money. I'm not enjoying this. Yeah, uh yeah, because you know half of it's gone, so we really, Yeah, you have to be twenty million dollar offer and then half gone. All right, let me ask you this, Uh what do you do for twenty million dollars? But you wouldn't get to keep any of the money. It would all go to, uh your favorite charity? Oh come on, Dean, he's now he's saying, he's asking me that would I do it for twenty million dollars to charity? Actually goes No, Yeah,

that's fair. I probably wouldn't do it either. Listen, it is like, oh god, but think of the kids, Think of the kids. Twenty million dollars to Hasburro. I don't know. We gotta think about this. I probably would do it for twenty million dollars. All right. Anyways, that's gonna do it for this week's episode. I am sorry for rambling on and on and on. Thank you guys so much for joining us. I'm so sorry for my absence for the past three weeks at big thank you to Jared

for covering my dead weight while I've been gone. I owe you three week vacation at this point. Uh yeah, maybe I'll take next week off. Who knows. Yeah, take as much time as you need, buddy. Yeah, And I'll go back to hobby lobby, yeah, and home depot afterwards to uh and you to the listeners too. Sorry for not getting this episode up on Sunday. We are a day late, maybe two days late, depending on how bad

Easton wants to work tonight. But again, thank you so much for your patience and understanding and letting me take three weeks off. I really appreciate it. But we are gonna be back on Thursday with some great callers to stick tune, stay tuned for that. In the meantime, maybe we'll suck a little bit less. Is that how I end these things? Yes, be sure tune in next week, or maybe we suck just a little bit less. Thank

you very much. Follow Hell buy Suck at Dating on I Heart Radio or wherever you listen to podcast m HM