Seeking Skydiving Partner with Chelsea Vaughn

gonna be joining us. And um, it's really a great episode because Jared's gone today and um, and that's always just a rare treat that we get to experience here I Help I Suck at Dating. So in his steed we have Kaylin and Alista are going to join us for the episode this week. Here's Alistair. There he is. He might not say much, but Calin might not say

much either. I guess, um, But before we started, you guys were just discussing how or not discussing, but I guess remembering how you guys, So you guys met in New York for a fashion week? Is is that right? You guys just fairly past each other. Yeah, we were both waiting to go inside Alix and Olivia and um, my manager used to work with Klin, so she told me that you were at another event that I was at earlier that week, but I missed you and I

wanted to meet you. And then I saw you outside and You're like hey, and I was like hey, and then we're trying to get in, so so yeah, it was amazing. She was in this like red trench coat and Chelsea is obviously very tall, so she's hard to miss. And I was like, oh, so, it's very happy to meet you. And we kind of we're struggling to get in together because it was just chaotic and neither one of us I feel like, are going to go to the front and be like I need to get in here.

So we were kind of like on the sidelines, just waiting to get in, but we eventually made it. Yeah, it's funny. I was just thinking about this because like, I've done Fashion Week so many times, but like on the other side as a model, so I've never been like the person that's like, oh my god, you know who I am, Like I'm trying to get in. So I was like, I'm I will not be doing that. I will stand here all night before I walk up to the front and like cut the line and be like,

excuse me exactly? Is that the one that you were saying that they like wouldn't let you in? That was a different brand. So there was multiple There was multiple of these places that you try to go, and they were like disorganized every single well not every single one, but that was the most chaotic one for me. Um And I also feel like I had a little bit of like imposter syndrome because I'm like their actual celebrities

like right next to us trying to get it. Like I don't consider myself celebrity, so I'm just like feel really weird when like Nikki Hill and then like Madison Pettis are like right next to me. So I was just like, I don't know what I'm doing here and pick names. We walked in. I don't know if you saw her, but we walked in as Katie Holmes was exiting. Yes, I saw her. What am I doing here? Right? I was like, I don't I mean, maybe they shouldn't let me in. I don't know. He's gotta fake it till

you make it. I guess. Yeah, Well, so that's right, because you are fashion model right. Yeah, so before the show, I was like doing a lot of runway. Um. I still do like beauty and commercial and like bridle sometimes. Um, but I haven't. I haven't been back on the runway actually since the show, which is crazy. What is what do you mean you have been back on the roadway. So you've just been doing like the influencing stuff. Yeah.

So I'm still signed with my same agency. Um. But then when I got back, like I mean I needed a minute to recover, um, and then I went back on Paradise, So then it was kind of like starting the process all over again. Um. But like I started working with my manager on brand partnerships and like influencing stuff. So then it was like, wow, this is a lot easier and it pays me a lot more money than modeling.

Kind of was just like not really going through as many castings and stuff just because the rates are so low and it's just it's a lot of work for like very little return. Yeah. And so this was the first fashion week that you were a non model. Yeah, I didn't go to single casting. It's never happened before. And did you prefer this over the ladder or I guess over the former. M M. I think it's like

kind of more fun, Like they're both work. But do you enjoy like sitting there and watching a fashion show, because like I love fashion, Like I went to school for fashion. Um, so it was just different. But there's really nothing like being like the rush of being on a runway, like I kind of missed. I kind of missed that adrenaline. I can only imagine what that must feel like. I asked, Caitlin, watch you didn't walk? But I guess it's not as simple as just being like, hey,

I want to walk into York Fashion Week. So I'm like five four and she'll see you're probably like six ft or something. Yeah I am. Yeah. Well, so the New York Fashion Week must be like the holy mecca of your not your years specifically, but like you live in New York, you love fashion, your model well, and now an influencer. I guess, so like really is like a culmination of all the things that I mean, I don't know, it just seems like it's crazy that all

of that culminates into one weekend for you. Yeah, it was a crazy week and I like stacked my schedule too, because I really wanted to do as much as I could now that I was like on the viewer side. Um, so it was really packed and exhausting, but also fun, like you get to play dress up all week and you know, to your friends, so it was cool. Yeah, nice, Well all right, sorry, sorry for focusing on fashioning for

so much. So I've got some questions for you. So okay, we we saw you on Matt season, and we fell in love with you on Matt season, and then we saw you come back for Paradise. Remind me of your experience in Paradise, just to just to jog my memory. Okay, quick synopsis. I came in halfway through the season and everyone was already pretty much coupled up except for Aaron and James, and so then I started talking to Aaron.

We went on one on one day when horseback rode into the sunset and then um, he gave me his rose, I gave me. I gave him my rose. Damar came in. I went on a date with him briefly. Um, Ivan and I made out really quickly, and then Aaron got mad. They almost got a fight, and then Aaron made out with Tia and sent me home. Oh my gosh, I do remember all this drama now, I remember. I remember when DeMar came. I was like, oh, DeMar is hot.

I kind of and I like, I love Aaron. I think Aaron's super hot and a super goof funny, goofy guy too. But I remember when Demark came, I was like, wow, I don't know, I just thought he was he was pretty hot. Um, so okay, So then you went home when Aaron didn't give you the rose? How have things been post show in terms of just your dating life then? Like? What did was there ever a chance for I guess I guess Aaron made his choice to go with T at that point, so he's he's kicked to the curve.

But but was there ever anything in your mind where you wanted to maybe continue something with Ivan or Damar? Um not Ivan. I think we're just not like personality was compatible all that much. I think, like, honestly, if I'm like, if I'm being completely honest, I had the rose that week and I was like tripping on power and I was like, I really just want to cause some chaos because, like I came in late, nobody wanted

to have fun anymore. Nobody wants to drink like everyone's like tired, I've been sitting in a hotel room for two weeks, Like I just wanna have fun, so I don't want to like a little chaotic that day. Um So that's all that was. Um. I talked to Jamar for a little bit afterwards, but like it just was more friend vibes, I think. And then as far as like dating in New York after, it's kind of tough. I mean, you guys, well you came off your show together, so I guess you never got to worry about like

dating after. But like people, especially in New York, like, no, who I am? And you can recognize me as you said, I'm very tall and noticeable, so like you would think that guys don't really watch the show like the way the girls do. But like if I've been on dates like some hinge and like other apps whatever, and I'm like, oh, this guy doesn't know anything great and then like two hours in they're like, oh, my roommates actually were hoping I'd bring you home so that they could meet you.

Oh my god. What well I will say, I will say because it was I had two years between my first show and then meeting Klin. I think two or three ors or something like that. And I will say whenever we visited New York, like my friends and I, New York was the place where it seemed the most chaotic. Yeah, like there's just such a high concentration of bachelor fans in New York for some reason. Yeah, they don't care either. They'll like come right up to you. They maybe that's

what it is. They're not taking pictures of you, but they will. Yeah. I think, like I live in Brooklyn, so it's a little more chill here, like people. I think people know I live in Brooklyn, so they kind of like respect my space here, Like, Okay, she's in her neighborhood, like, don't come up to her. But like whenever I go to this like Manhattan, everyone doesn't care. Yeah,

Manhattan is pure chaos. I remember one of my best friends was moving to away from the country and so we had a going away party for him in New York and it was like six of us and they were they were like, there's like other guys that had never been on the show before, and they were like, you's like fully taking advantage of the privilege that I

had to like sometimes jump the line. It would be it was just like so ridiculous, and every time we went in somewhere, they got all the attention from all the girls and so so ever since then, honestly, I'm like, I don't think I can go to New York for a couple of years, Like I need this. This needs to like die down a little bit, so it props

to you for sticking it out and living there. Yeah, I thought that like it would die down after I don't know, it got worse after Paradise, Like there's there's a whole different group of people that watch Paradise and don't even watch the regular show anymore. Yeah, so I was like, Okay, yeah, it'll like die down a little bit. People are going to be tired of me, Like there's new seasons. And then I was like, it's worse. Are we are we going to see you on this new

season in Paradise? You're not you We're not coming on. I feel like the way you said it, it it was kind of like like you're hinting at you actually are. Yeah, not now, I will not be there. I've done my stint in Mexico and all said on that, Um, yeah, I think I'm just like obviously I'm very grateful for the show and like the whole platform it brought me and all my friends and everything. But I'm like, I think I'm ready to close the chapter. I might to

move on doing things good. Good for you because we're still holding on tight. What what is the next chapter you're going to be for you? Do you think? Um? I mean I've been working with my team on a podcast. Actually I've never said this publicly. Yeah, congratulations, thanks, It's real now I just said it out loud. Um. So yeah, I'm really excited about that and like to share more when it's ready. It's definitely not ready right now. It's a very raw note in my iPhone and I just

unboxed my equipment for the first time. I'm like spoken to the microphone. But yeah, I'm excited about that because I feel like, I don't know, I feel like even like in the modeling industry or like even on The Bachelor, like I didn't really get to talk that much. Like that sounds weird, but like I was very much portrayed as like, Okay, she's the hot model girl, like not a bad problem to have, but I didn't really get to speak or like have an opinion or a voice.

It was just like always me like giggling or like runaway walking. Um so I really want to like actually connect more on a deeper level of people and like people that follow me. Um yeah, just share more of my opinion? Do you wanna you know, I definitely don't have to do this, but like, do you want to

share more about what it's going to be about? Um again, it's very raw, but like it's just gonna be kind of like how I am on my page, Like once a week I'll do like a Q and I on Sundays about like a topic that I think is interesting or like I don't know something that people like DM me a lot. Um so, like people are always like how are you so confident? Or like people love to know like behind the scenes of modeling industry or just about like, um, I don't know relationships, dating, everything that

happens for like a twenty something in New York. But I just turned thirty. Oh my god, I'm something. Yeah. Well, hey, welcome to the club thirties. Not so bad, I promise you that much. It's going pretty well so far. Yeah, well, we don't have much to offer you in terms of New York. But if you ever need guests for your podcast,

We're happy to return the Yeah I will. Yeah. So I know you mentioned a little bit, So tell us more about what dating in New York is like post show specifically, like especially with your friend group, because I feel like there's a lot of girls from your season that are all friends out there in New York, right, So do you guys go out together a lot? And like, how do you like navigate I guess the dating field

out there. Yeah, right after our season, Matt season ended. Um, a lot of my girls from the season like moving to great such a big hub like in the past, but everyone decided to come to York for some reasons. I'm very happy about that. They're like eight of us here at one at one point. Um. Yeah, so that was really fun. And after math, obviously most of us were single except for Rachel Um. And then after Paradise Is everyone all of my friends got in a relationship

except for me. So that was tough because I felt like nobody could really relate because I was just I feel like very isolated in this situation where like I was just on the show. Everyone recognized me and I'm single, like all of you guys came away with somebody, so I was like, this sucks. Um. So that's that's been that.

That's been a little hard um. And then also like coincidentally, all the people in my life that like my friends from before the show also like happened to fall in love and so I was just like, okay, cool, I'll just be single forever. But no, no, no no. I got to a point where I was just like you know when you are like seeking something out so badly that it's just like it's not gonna happen. Like I felt like I just needed to step away from it. So I was like, I hate to be like that person.

I's like, oh my god, I just leaded all the apps like I'm so over it because I feel like people were like I deleted all the apps and they redownload deletedad. But like in New York, that's really like how people like meet like there's really it feels like there's really no other way to meet people unless you're on apps. So I got on Riya because I was like, Okay,

maybe that'll be like cool. Um, And I feel like people are on there just to like see other people at the scene, like nobody's actually trying to take you on a date. Um, they're nice to look at, but nobody like I couldn't find a whole conversation or like

actually make it to the date stage. Um. So now I'm in a period where I'm like I think I'm all set, Like I think I'm just gonna focus on myself for a while, and like I really feel like when you put all your time and energy into yourself and like work on things and self care and like focus on work whatever, like that energy comes back to you, like people feel that coming off of you, and then you attract the right people into your life. So that's

that's the goal. Right now, I just like don't want to be so like focused on it because I feel like that's super annoying. Yeah, now you're coming from It's tricky though, because you go, excuse me, you go on the Bachelor, right like, and obviously your persona or your life becomes so like heavy focused on finding someone, and then you come off the show and it's hard to

like just switch gears back to normalcy after that. And then you go on Paradise and it's like the same thing, and then you come off the show and it's like

hard to switch gears back to normalcy. So I can see why you've kind of been in that situation or like that mindset where you're not like not like hopeless and like desperate of the fur love kind of thing, but like you're so used to having people talk to you about wanting to find a relationship, so naturally you're just gonna be like, yeah, I want to have a relationship, and you kind of get I guess, hung up on

the whole whole aspect of it. That's true. That's a really good point because I feel like my even like my therapist was like because I was like, She's like, why do you want to be in a relationship so bad? And I was like, well, I just want somebody that like compliments my life, like I want someone that enhances my life. And she was like, in what ways right now do you feel like your life could be enhanced?

And I really couldn't answer the question, Like it was like know what another person could bring to me right now that I can't bring to myself. UM. So it just like made me think about another way because I feel like I was in that mode where people are just like relationship relationship relationships and um and also like

seeing everyone else in my life being one at the time. Um, So that really like made me take a step a step back and be like, Okay, you can chill out like it's gonna come when its right, and you're only thirty years old. You got plenty of time. That's true. I remember one of my biggest gripes with the whole post Bachelor Bachelor in Paradise thing was uh, and it's

I guess it's it's a gripe. But like, at the same time, like you said earlier, you're still appreciative of everything that's come because of everything, right, So, um, I hated how the only like arena people knew me in was a dating from a dating aspect of it, where it's like if you're like a musician or like a pro snowboarder, people know you as a musician or a snowboarder. But because we've only been ever introduced to the public as someone that wants to be in a relationship, they

only ever think of you or me. I guess in this case that I'm I'm telling the story from, they only think of me as someone that like wants to date and so like people that would comment publicly like on Instagram or whatever it would be, are always like super critical of either your singleness or the pace at what you're moving in your relationship. And it's never anything more than that because like that's really the only way they get to know you is through you wanting to

to date people. And I don't really know like what the point of this is, but it's just something. It's just it's something that I've noticed a few times and I absolutely hate it. And I don't know if you ever experienced that too. I mean I definitely feel like

I've experienced that in many different ways. Like it's almost like you're just put in this box, like you're a person that I know, and I know all about your dating life, and so I feel like entitled to know what you're doing with your dating life at all times because that's how they got to know me, that's something they found me. So it's like if I don't talk about who I'm dating or whatever like for a while,

like people are like, well, what's going on? Or if I do, like people are always going to be like all my business. So like that's another thing I've been thinking about too. It's like if I or when I do find whoever I want to date, Like, am I going to post them on my feed? Like? How long am I gonna way to do that? Like the whole hard Launched Soft launched, Like it's just like a lot, especially with somebody that's not in this world at all. It's like they don't maybe they don't want to deal

with that, Like that's kind of annoying. Like I almost feel bad when I like go out with people and like people come up to me because I feel like it's annoying to me. Obviously it doesn't bother me, but it's like I'm very grateful and like people say only nice things, so it's like how could I be mad at that? But like to my friends and stuff, sometimes I'm like sorry, like sorry, like I don't I don't

know how to handle that. Like some people. I wouldn't even blame that if somebody was like, oh, I don't really want to date you because like that's annoying, Like I would be like, yeah, yeah, we got lucky, because I guess both of us have to deal with the

same situation, so either way, we're screwed. Um. It's funny that you mentioned that though, because there was a music festival a couple of years ago, I went to with a bunch of friends and it was the same situation, Like I always feel guilty because it's always the friend that has to take the photo or whatever, you know

what I mean. And so we were at the festival and we're trying to like migrate to this other area to watch this sets, like a Griffin set or something like that, and there was too many people asking for photos and my friends were like, Dean, we're leaving, We're going to see the set. Good luck. I was like, I was so pissed, but I fully got it too, So I guess, like I fully understand where you're coming from.

And then um, to make it even worse, not like worse, I guess, but if you're, yeah, then dating someone, like if you're out with your boyfriend or with someone that you just started dating and someone would come up with you and ask for your a picture, then it's his responsibility or her responsibility I guess to depending on um all things. But uh, yeah, I can only imagine that's

a stressful situation. So I guess my question for you then is, uh, you know, we do have a lot of guys that listen to this podcast that live in New York, eligible, handsome, successful, interesting, uh, And so if they're listening to this episode right now and they're like, man, this Chelsea girl sounds real great, But I just I gotta know, I gotta figure out what what you want to do on a first date. What would your ideal

first date in New York be? Do you think, Oh, I'm such a big foodie, Like I really love to go try new restaurants. And I love a guy with a plan. Like if a guy comes to you with everything already planned out, Like some girls don't like this because they're like, wow, he didn't even ask for my opinion, Like what if I didn't want to go there or whatever. So it's kind of a risky moved on the guy's part to just I planned this for you. But I'm

not one of those girls. I love a plan. So like, if a guy comes to me and he's like, hey, like there's this really amazing new restaurant that everyone's been talking about in my neighborhood, Like you want to go here, here's them, and you send me a menu that's so hot. Um, And then like I went on a date with somebody a first day and he knew the restaurant owner. This is very niche, but like, I don't know a lot of guys here, no restaurantners, because most restauranturs here are

other men. Um. So he knew the owner, and the owner came over and then like we just like a tasting menu of the whole restaurant. Like he just brought out everything, like the best of everything, and like the best drinks. This is like heaven for me for a first day. So I love that. Yeah, why didn't he was there a second day? Oh yeah, yeah. We dated for a few months. Um, but it ended up crashing and burning because I decided to go on a show

called Yeah. That usually usually the real relationship pretty fast. Yeah, so that's where that one went. But I'll never take away that first day from him. It was a really good one. That's pretty funny. Um. Well, so why don't you just call him back up and be like, hey, look, um, let's try this again. Yeah. When I got back from Paradise, he was dating someone else. I see a catch like that? You know, it only comes out every once in a while. Um, do you have any do you have any? Like? What

is your type? I guess? Um, I mean I love a guy that's tall, does he have to be tall because you're so tall? I'm dating guys that are like five eleven. I know that's still tall, but like I'm willing to date an inch or two shorter. I'm not gonna go below five of nine. Probably you really have to wow me. I like to wear heels, Like I'm usually walking around at like six three so and so you're six ft yeah yeah, so, Um I love heels.

But like, I mean, if a guy's want like threads by it or like doesn't feel weird about it, then it doesn't. It doesn't miller him, it doesn't want me whatever. Um. But yeah, I would definitely prefer someone that's like six six. Um. And I mean I like, I like groofy, like funny, silly guys personality wise, um, looks wise, I mean, I like an athletic guy. I like usually dark features, although I kind of like a blond guy sometimes I don't know,

just be like attractive. That's that's my type is attractive. Um. And then I just like people that like to try new things and like just wanna explore a lot in life, Like my sister dates these guys sometimes that are just like oh, I don't like to do this, and like I don't like to like go to the beach, and

I don't like just like whatever. Like I would know myself i was dating someone like that, Like I just want to go, like I love traveling, like I love trying new stuff, like I want to sky dove, like I want to do everything, and I just want somebody that like wants to do all of that with me. So that's a big, a big factor. You can find yourself a skydiver guy, a tall, skydiving athletic, dark featured man with that maybe sometimes goes blonde just because he

feels like he's out there. He's out there somewhere. He's out there somewhere, and he's sending a menu to another girl right now. But one day it's going to be you. That's fine, I ever understood. Calin loves to do this too. Whenever we're trying to find any restaurants to go to, she always looks up the menu beforehand. I have never in my life thought to look up a menu before going to a restaurant. Well, granted, I'm a pescuterian. I'm

very limited, and he eats anything and everything. And also you just want to make sure that you're gonna like the food. That's true. I just feel to go anywhere and find food that I like. But you're right, eye have less limits. Well, there's like a lot of there's so many restaurants here, like I just I need to somehow, Like I got to look at the menu, and then I have to look at the pictures. That's me. I was going to ask you to do that. I do that all the time. I well, yeah, I love pictures

on Yelp. I'll do that while we're sitting at the restaurant because I'm like deciding between two things, and then I'm like, well, what if it doesn't look how I thought? It was the same? I am the exact same. And honestly, when I was in New York, I realized that Yelp in New York is terrible. Like the photos that people take in New York are so bad that every restaurant looks terrible. But I don't know if that's just because

of the whiting or what. But if you go to l A or Vegas, the food all looks appetizing, but the ones on Yelped that I saw all look really bad. I've never personally added a photo to yell so whoever is actually doing that, they're doing the world. Thank you, thank you to the yelp first. Yeah, well, I guess I'll just have to go to disagree on that one. Um, what else do we got before we take a break here? Um?

Have you ever been because you're pretty close to like Abigail and some of those girls, right, yeah, yeah, do you ever have like Noah or any of them like introduce you to their friends? Well, it's like all the really good friends I had for my season ended up with bachelor guys, So it's like, Okay, your friends are like a bachelor guys. So it's just like a It's like, yeah, I've tried. I've tried my hardest to date, honestly a bachelor guy like I've I've looked through all the seasons.

I've talked to a lot of them, I've kissed a lot of them. Not gonna lie, but like it just it doesn't seem like it's in the cards for me, probably just because you're too cool and they don't they don't meet the criteria for you. I don't know, We'll see, but but yeah, I don't know. I guess I could

try to have somebody set me up. But that's like a risky game because like I did have one friend try to set me up and then like if their friend is weird to you, like you're in the middle of it, you know what I mean, And the guy ended up like ghosting me the wh who's supposed to like take me out, so that it's like very like why would you do that to someone who was your friend's friend. It's like that's so awkward because then you have to explain to your friend that you ditched her friend.

It's just I don't know, it gets messy. Yeah, um, how did you get on the show? Like how did you become a contestant on The Bachelor? Yeah, I'm actually one of the few people that applied. And you know what, a lot of people apply and they don't they lie. Thank you for admitting it, because that's funny. Every time Kalen hear someone applies, she's always like, I like this person. Yeah, And on my season, I know so many people that applied themselves and lied about it, and I'm like, why

would you lie? Just tell the truth? Oh my god, I thank you, of course, yah know I applied. It was the middle of I wasn't doing anything at all. The whole world was shut down, and like they never really announced I don't know how they did for you, Kalin, but like they never really announced the Bachelor, like super early who it is before you can start applying. So like they announced Matt James like way earlier than they normally do, and so I applied after I find out

it was him. Like it wasn't like I was just applying for like a blanket Bachelor, because I probably would have never done that, um, but I was like, oh, MAT's my type fits in the description I just gave you, um, and he lived in New York. So I was like, Okay, i'll apply, let's see what happens. And then that's what happened. Nice, we'll congrats. I feel like that's like the hardest way to get in is through applying, because they probably have to go through so many applications. It was like very

like fast tracked, I think because I didn't. I just didn't know what the application process is going to be. Like I assumed, like you just said, it was gonna be like this whole big thing, but like that's what happened when I logged onto the website, and it was just like, submit one picture your Instagram handle and answer why you want to be on the show. And that was the whole application. And I was like what and so then I just did it in like thirty seconds

and then somebody called me like the next week. I think, um super fast. Instagram kind of helped the application process too, because before I feel like I don't know, but I'm assuming, like seasons before, you had to apply a bunch of photos and or submit a bunch and now they can just go to your You're gonna be like does this girl look normal? Does she look fine? Okay, we'll put her on. That's that's true. Well, thanks for telling us.

I appreciate that. I always just curious, but I'm always curious how people end up on the show, because it's always how did you end up on the show? Um, I did not apply's and that's true, And that's true. That is the truth. Um. My best friend introduced me to one of you know, Bennett. He's like one of these executive preusers. So he's good friends with this girl in l A. And my best friend is good friends

with her assistant. And it was just one of these things where it was like, I'm just gonna introduce you to this person and see what happens and then so then yeah, but I did go through like the process. Like I once I knew what it was, I was still like, yeah, you know what when why not whyt to do this? So um, it wasn't like a yeah, I don't know. I Yeah, that's what I'm saying that. That's why I'm I pressed that you were able to get on the show having applied, because I had a

foot in the door, a bottle in my mouth. I had it. I had the easy set up for sure. I had like two phone calls and they're like, yeah, we want it, let's go, come on. Um Okay, Mine wasn't like that. I still had to do like a video and like a bunch of pictures or whatever. But it was very like it was. It was, Yeah, it was pretty I think once they found out how weird my family is, they were like, yeah, we gotta get this kid on. We have to get He's going to

hometowns no matter how bad he is. All Right, we'll chellse, we're gonna take a quick break and then we're gonna jump back into it. We've got some hot topics that we want to discuss. Okay, all right, welcome back. We have some hot topics. This is usually Jared's segment because he loves the hot topics, but now we've got Kalin who might love the hot topics. Steven More, Oh my gosh, I'm so excited about this because it's like blowing up

right now. It's about Adam Levine and Sumner and Behind, which I'm sure you've heard as well at Oh my gosh, all of the stitches. It's like people start talking about it and then they make a stitch from It's like four stitches deep and it's so good. So yeah, let's talk about it. So just backstory for anyone who doesn't know.

More women have come forward accusing Adam Levine of sending raunchy messages while married to Bohoti Prince Low, the Maroon five frontman, apologized to his family on Tuesday after Instagram model Sumner stro claims she had a year long affair at the singer. So I guess more people are coming forward. I've seen a few people come forward, but it's wild, and some people are blaming Sumner, some people are blaming Adam.

Dean and I have had this conversation together and then with other couple of friends as well, and Dean has a very um strong stance that if you're in a relationship, it's your job to stay loyal. It's not necessarily the other person, like the Sumner, to stay loyal. So what are your thoughts? Wait, I didn't hear about the other people besides sum There there are more messages from other people. Yes, And one girl I saw he was like, I'm in love with you now and she's like, aren't you married?

And he was like, it's complicated, and these are all over DM, his own like public DM. I'm like, you really weren't trying to hide at all, right now. I only saw the ones that are like, oh I love your body, you're soaking hot or whatever whatever, So gross, really really gross and cringe. Um. So I kind of agree with Dean on this one, just because, like, at the end of the day, the person that's married, it's

your responsibility. Like Sumner isn't married, and like, you know, I mean, obviously it's not ideal that she is going to be with somebody for a year that she knows, like whenever she said in her video, like she said she was misled. She said that she was manipulated, which okay, I think she was like nineteen or twenty at the time or something, but still, like, I'm pretty sure after

a year you knew you still marriage behind um. So, yeah, obviously there's fault on both sides, but as far as like the marriage goes, there's only Adam is the only one in that marriage. Obviously the hottie too, but yeah, but yeah, that's the blame is going to go mostly to him, and clearly he was being reckless, like he wasn't even trying to trying to hide it, like he knows.

That is so like I even get scared of people like screenshotting my d M s or like screenshotting messages on hinge or something for you to be Adam Levine and you from your that's so wild to me, it's so ballsy. I'm like, what were you thinking? And I will say I think like of the blame goes to him, of the blame goes to him. But the only thing I disagree with Sumner like post it, like, don't post just DMP hottie privately if you were actually looking out

for her. And I don't know, there's just a lot that I disagree with, And I was telling Dean, I don't love like putting on a full face and makeup going in front of the room light, Like come on, that just doesn't feel genuine, just if you're going to apologize like apology, And even the first one didn't really have an apology in it. It seemed more of like a flex rather than like I hurt this family, I'm so sorry. Yeah, you're so right about the ring light

in the makeup, like it should be crazy. I didn't even think about that part. But she was like in her mind probably thinking like Okay, this is gonna like go viral, like this is gonna get a lot of you that I should probably put on a face to makeup, like make it look good. Um. But I think you would have respected her more if she was like no makeup and and looked really distraught and like I am so sorry I did such a stupid thing. Like people

respected if you own up to your mistakes. Yeah. It's just it's like a really tough spot though, because like I've thought about this before, because like a guy who has a girlfriend has like reached out to me to like hook off, and I'm like I'm such a girl's girl.

Like my first instinct is like I want to tell the girl, but that's just a really slippery slope because like you, like in this case, if she just messaged BEYONDSI and was like, hey, by the way, this is happening, like you have no idea what's on the other side of that, Like she could literally just be ruining someone's life, and like a marriage, it's I don't know, what do you think, Like should you tell the other person or

like do you just not? No, that's true, I don't know in your situation specifically, Like I don't know that's a little it's not a wife, but it is a girlfriend. They are in a relationship. I would want to as well. I wouldn't want to, but that's because it's coming from a place of me being like if I was a girlfriend, I would want to know, because I think a lot of people don't feel like that, Like I think there are some people out there that are like I wouldn't

want to know. Yeah, you know, I can agree with that in a different way. I don't like to know about Dean's past. Like we were just at a wedding and he's like a soon know this girl and I'm like, I think I'd rather not know. And granted that's like a past that's not even like him cheating on me, which he better not ever, But wait a second, is that your you'd rather not know? I don't know that's false actually, um, because I remember once there was another girl and I was like, oh, just how you dont

want on a date with her? And I know you're talking about and you're like, oh, well, thanks for telling me. I remember you specifically were like, thank you for telling me. Yes, I don't know. I go back and forth. And I was even talking to my friend who's married about this the other day and she was like, I just don't like to know, and that there's like a comparison thing with women. This is totally off topic of body and Adam Levie. But I don't know. It's fine to know.

I guess what was the Chelsea, what was your opinion on the Adam Suminar thing. It's the same as your opinion, like, it's Adam's responsibility, it's his marriage, like you're in the marriage. She's not like the fall is yours. Obviously she's not guiltfully here, um, And I think she knew. I think everyone in the world knows he's married her. Um. Yeah, for her to be like, well he told me, it was problem like whatever, you know they're married, Like yeah, um.

But I was just asking Calin, like, if you, like, if somebody was trying to cheat with you, would you tell the girlfriend because I would want to tell the girlfriend, and I would hope some random girl would tell me. But that's just me. Yeah, I would tell Calin. I would like, well, if you're trying to cheat on me, yeah, I would want the girl to oh yeah, obviously you're not going to tell me to tell you. Obviously I would never try to cheat. But I think that Calin

probably said this too. If there was a situation where, like, let's say Calin cheated on me, I would be upset at Kalin, not upset at the guy that she cheated on me with, really cheated on me with. Well, I think that would be that's logical. You're only in a relationship with Calin. Like that makes sense to me, And that's kind of why I feel like we should be more. I mean, I'm see I feel like we are more

upset at Adam. Um. I feel like we listen to some podcasts yesterday about it, and they made a good point because whenever I think about like who to be upset at, I always think like even split, Like I'm equally as upset at Adam as I am at this at Sumner, you know what I mean. But what I never what I always failed to realize, is like, well, I could be like eighty five percent mad at Adam for it, and then I'm set at Sumner for it. Like like you said, she's not blameless, um, but I

do feel like she deserves some flak for it. I mean for sure, But like I saw a tik talk yesterday that made a good point about like there's always gonna be Sumner, Like if it wasn't gonna be her, it was going to be somebody else, And clearly there's other girls like that came out with messages from Adam. So it's like, if you're not the one that's upholding your marriage and relationship, like you're the problem because he couldn't done it with anyone else, Right, Yeah, I agree?

Have you gotten all your thoughts out about it? Yeah? I talked about the light in the makeup and oh yeah, yeah it's and I was creeping on her Instagram yesterday and I feel like she's like, fully, she's like, I mean, who knows, obviously, but like she's loving the attention she posting. Still I think so well, it was her saying like I cheated on a guy that's married to a Victoria's Secret. Crazy. At least I'm the respect to say her name and say like there's no remorse. It's like I stole a

Victoria's Secret models guy. Yeah, well so that was. So here's what sucks is Adam's wife. What's her name? Yeah, b h a t I interesting name, okay umati. Now, so she's been cheated on and she's the mother of two kids with a third on the way or something like that. Right, So that's and that sucks for her. And now on top of that, she has to find out about it through some girl posting on TikTok about it like girls terrible. Oh there's multiple girls. It's an article.

So what I um would have preferred, like who cares what I think obviously, But what I think that Sumner should have done is if she was serious about like wanting to help, she should have reached out to her privately in some way, like somehow. Yeah. Okay, So guys, I discussed that the way that she's doing it now

just proves again that she's just like looking for attention. Yeah, and the other thing I was going to say is I just saw like TMC photos or some like paparazzi photos that were leaked of Bhatti and Adam, like leaving a house and smiling so big, which felt like a pr move. And also it feels like the only thing they can do, like she's pregnant, she's going to give birth to his son, Like the only thing they can do is pretend like everything's fine, you know, And it's

so sad. And it's really sad because what she supposed to do like leave him in the middle of her pregnancy, Like right, I don't know. That's that sucks. Sucks. Yeah. Wait, some more girls came out and said that they hooked up with Adam. Yeah, there's a couple tiktoks and they're showing the screenshots. So one girl said, um, aren't you He said, I'm in love with you now, and she said aren't you married? And he said it's complicated or

something like that. But okay, So here's another thing, uh that I think maybe it's important to discuss I think that mega celebrities like Adam and Bahadi have different rules for life than normal people like us athletes. You mean in athletes here. And I'm not saying that any of this is normal or fine or acceptable, but it's by our standards as a normal we're normalies. They're they're mega superstars.

Their lives are so different we like and I mean, I'm not justifying anything, obviously, I'm just saying their lives are so significantly different than ours that I think the normal rules that we apply to people don't apply to that. But we listen to the Morning to a yesterday because we had a six hour drive and Deane listened to a golf podcast and then I was allowed to listen

to the Morning Toast. I don't know what happens. I was allowed to listen to the golf podcast and then Caitlyn just put on whatever she wanted to put on. But the Morning Toast is talking about how, like Adam Levin is a rock star, and we do expect this of rock stars, but bo Hattie and Adams seemed to have this true love in Hollywood that like, we just

don't think it exists anymore. And that's why it was so shocking, Like, yes, rock stars are given like these different set of rules than us normies, but we thought they were the exception. Yeah, in that video, the girls Like You video just like so cute, Like the daughter, yeah she's in it. Like the hottie is in the video like holding the baby and like he's just singing about like how much he loves her, and it's just like, God,

everyone she eats everyone. Yeah. If it's not safe for a Victoria's Secret super Model, it's not safe for anyone. Crap crap. Uh, Yeah, that sucks. I think it all sucks all around. But have you ever been cheated on or anything? Now? I haven't. That's good. That's good. Oh well I don't really date that many people. I would have had that many chances. Yeah, um, but I'm not. I can't. I would love to be, I guess mature enough to be like, oh maybe, like I could work

it out depending on the situation. I know myself, and like, loyalty is just the biggest deal in the world to me, and I know for I just know I can never ever get over it because it's not even like just the cheating, like that's part of it, obviously, but it's like, to cheat on me, you had to lie to me and deceive me. So it's like, what else have you lied about? Like I could, I couldn't. I would go down a rabbit hole for the rest of my life. Yeah, cheat on me, You're out of the house, You're out

of truck. But I'm a mega superstar. Have a different set of rules, differ rules. I would never cheat, I have. I have cheated in the past, as you know, what was the mindset there? I was just I used to party a lot, and I would just get wasted and make really bad decisions. But I don't think I ever like consciously, so like not that it's any better. Well it is, like it's marginally better, but it's not like it's not bad. Still, I never like went out of my way as like a sober person to like pursue

someone while I was in a relationship. Yeah, I was just drunk and I'm as you know, I like to say yes to things. The next story. So well, I had a point of saying, I had a point going, oh, just how I am different now? I would I can't ever imagine um cheating on on you or I guess anyone, just me. Well, right right, but but like even like in other aspects of my life maybe, but not like that I would. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I guess my point is it's so far removed.

The idea of cheating on you is so far like I guess when I was like twenty years old, I was always like, well, if I cheat, I cheat, you know what I mean, which is so so. But now I'm like, I just I don't know. I feel like back that because back then, I'm gonna stop talking soon because I'm I'm definitely putting my foot right out. I think back then, my like one of my main personality traits was that I like to go out like party and and that was maybe the worst thing for me,

especially if I was in a relationship. And now I don't do that, and now I hate that. Um so that's just nice to be older, I guess, more mature. All right, Before I say anything else, that's really ridiculous, we're gonna be on the next topic. I was gonna move on to the next segment for us, but there was a Kim Kardashian blurb in here, and I know Kalen loves Kim, so Um, and do you like Kim Kelsey? Are you a Kim Kardashian fan. I wouldn't say I'm a fan, but I wouldn't say I'm a hater. Okay,

I'm a hater. According to this, it says Kim is looking at an unlikely places after her peak up breakup with Pete Davidson. She says whatever she's doing isn't working, So she says she's plans to date a biochemist or an attorney. Oh yeah, she's gonna go to a hospital and meet a doctor, or go to a law fer and meet a lawyer. She added, I think it's gonna be a neuroscientist, biochemist, doctor, or attorney that envision. Um,

what do you guys think about that? Do you think she she went from Kanye West to Pete Davidson to now hoping to date, um, some sort of doctor. I for one, I'll start the conversation here. I don't think there's a chance she's gonna edit dating a doctor or an attorney. She's gonna go back to some famous guy. Maybe. I'm mostly surprised you picked this one because this one doesn't even interest me, but it interested you. Well, I just know that you like to talk about Kim sometimes,

but I don't know. I think she is a lawyer now, so I can see your dating a lawyer. I just think it's difficult at the mega celebrity level that she's at for her to just like date somebody that's not in that world at all. Like maybe if it was somebody that was like super duper rich, not that that

like put you on the same playing field. But I think really really rich people and like really really famous people are in leagues that we are not understanding of, you know what I mean, they can kind of like relate on that level. Um. So maybe I don't know how much Microw what was it Michael chemists, file scientists? Okay, yeah, Um, I don't know how much they make. But I think, honestly, I think if Kim wanted to date one of them, she could find one. I think she would, Um, But

I don't know. Maybe she's just like bored of dating people in the public eye. Like I think it's exciting for people like that to date regular people because it's like, oh, this is different and fun. It's not like another celeb. I don't know, I think she's bored when Serena and I was announcing her retirement. She started, well, I guess she's already already placed a lot about him, but I started noticing her husband or boyfriend a lot more. And he's he's just like a normal guy. He was like

the founder of, um, some company. I can't remember the name of it. But wait, he's definitely not a normal guy. I think he found it. He found it Reddit, he founded Reddit. Okay, but he's like a When I say normal, it's not like it's not like she's dating Drake or something like that, you know what I mean. Yeah, but that's what I mean, like on the same kind of like maybe saddest level where you like a billionaire. Yeah,

that's that'd be pretty nice. Um, I could see Kim dating like the founder of like St. Jude or something like that, you know, like if she wants to go that route, or like it's just the founder of a company or charity or something like that. Alright, Sorry, I thought you guys would be more into this hot topic. I misread him. Um, But Chelsea, thank you so much for joining us and co hosting this episode with us.

We really appreciate it. Thanks for having me, Guys, get you one day in person, hopefully Dame one day Las Vegas Fashion Week, whenever you're out here for that sounds good. I'm excited for your podcast. I'll keep my ear to the ground and whenever you guys need a guest that week, Calin and I are more than happy to go us talking more about how I would never cheat on anyone again, terrible,

terrible way. Yeah, I'm gonna want to have mega celebrities on there, so I want you guys sure the rules don't apply, so you know whatever, whatever you um, we are going to have your co host the next episode with us. We have got our caller episode which airs on Thursday. So for the listeners out there, if you more Chelsea Van which let's be honest, why wouldn't you be sure to tune in on Thursday as well for

those quick episodes. So thank you again, challs. Be sure to tune in next week where maybe we suck just a little bit less. Follow help by Suck at Dating on I Heart Radio or wherever you listen to podcast