Rocky Mountain High with Sarah Herron

out there. No, she was from. I honestly don't know what season of The Bachelor y're from, but I do know you were from Paradise. Yeah. So I was on Shawn Lowe's season of The Bachelor season seventeen, a long time ago. I think we're coming up on like the Tenure Anniversary and then Bachelor in Paradise one, O G and Bachelor in Paradise three. Nice. Which of those did you enjoy more? Like? Would you have a better experience on?

They were all great? I mean I had amazing and different experiences on all of them, but I think Bachelor in Paradise one was probably the most enjoyable because it was a new experience, it was familiar faces. You start to feel a little bit more comfortable in the environment and like the run of show. And yeah, I think Paradise one was probably more fun. But the Bachelor with Sean and all those original cast, I mean that was

like life changing. Yeah, definitely life changing. I heard that wasn't a season one of Bachelor in Paradise filmed in like a different location and then you guys had like awful weather for a couple of days or like weeks or something. Yeah, it was filmed into Loom and it was at a beautiful property, but I think just the time of year down there, it wasn't ideal. So we had really bad weather and it was storming every day. So I think they shifted everything to Do you ever

feel weird talking about The Bachelor now? Because I mean I I certainly do. Where it's like like you were just saying your ten year anniversaries coming up, and um, it's just you know, like, do you ever feel like that's a long time ago, so let's not talk about that anymore. I think it kind depends on who I'm talking to. Um, you know, if it's like close friends. I don't mind, but it starts to feel odd, like I have friends from this chapter of life who are like, oh,

I binge watched Bachelor in Paradise. I can't believe, you know, And they don't know me in that context today, and so it's just kind of like a mind trip. You're like, take it with a grade of salt, Like I don't know, it's a different season of life, and it's just kind of odd. But I think my biggest gripe with the whole thing is I just don't like how it sometimes

makes it. It feels like it's like defining me, you know what I mean, Like, well, when that's all people want to talk about, I'm like, there's a lot more to me than just the fact that I was on these TV shows. But um, it gets Yeah. I see your point though, especially when like you meet someone and they watch your show and you're like, Okay, well let's let's let's take that with a grain of salt. Like you said, you know, I know, but I want to

talk more about you. So we haven't really I think this is our first time maybe even ever meeting, right, Yes, and I actually have a lot to talk to you about because I don't think you know, or maybe you know that I live in Carbondale, Colorado. Yes, Um, I've lived here for about five years now. I think I'm coming up on my five year anniversary. But I grew up in Evergreen over the Front Range, and then I met my now fiance who lives in Carbondale. He grew up in Glenwood, and um, I moved back from l

A to live in Carbondale with him. That's amazing and for the listeners, So for listeners, I grew up in Basalt, which is basically the next town down from Carbondale. I guess up, depending on which way you're looking at it. Super small, super small town area. Though that's incredible. I wonder I'm sure we probably know a lot of the same people then, because well, yeah, so yes we do. Um, I mean nothing like I don't know any of your friends. Really.

I think I've maybe met a few people in town who like you grew up with and stuff, and I'll always be like, oh, do you know Dean, But um, actually I don't know if you hopefully remember Randy Scott Hunter Scott's before, Um, Randy is essentially like my uncle. He's he's actually my dad's he's my dad's roommate of all things. They've been friends for like forty years. And when my dad went through a divorce two years ago,

my dad and Randy got a place together. Wow, Randy Scott that name in a while, So so yeah, Randy was my best friend Hunter's dad, and Hunter obviously tragically died when I was ten years old, eleven years old. And what's funny actually about Randy is um, I was like on Facebook the other day for some reason, just like going through old messages, and I had a message from Randy Scott that I had already been read and everything, and he it was about my first sin, fun Paradise,

when I made a complete fool out of myself. He messaged me on Facebook and he goes, Dean, what the hell are you doing? Get your together? You've got the world at your hand, at your feet or something like that, and you're making a mockery of it all, like make your make us look good or something. So, I mean, I haven't talked to him at all lately, but he's a good guy. That's so. That's so funny that he's so close to you. Yeah, I hope it's okay. I'll

tell him you say hello. Oh my gosh, of course I miss I mean, yeah, I see Randy like every day because they live in Emma. They live in Basalt still, so um, I see them all the time. I can't believe. Yeah, it's a really small world. And I've met your dad and you're I think she is she your step mom, your dad's girlfriend. I think they are married. Yeah. How did those interactions with my dad go? Just curious? Um? I mean I think I remember being like, I kind

of know your son, but we've never met. Were from Paradise, and it was, um, not really who's just kind of like, oh, not really engaged, but um because they own the little like co op grocery store in town and it was right out right near my house, so I go there all the time. But now we're just we say hi and that's it. That's so funny. Well, for the record,

him and I don't get along still. Uh And it actually kind of infuriates me a little bit too, not like so much that, but so my brother us had a baby to three month little baby now and my dad still haven't reached out to my brother and like congratulated him or said anything about that. So I'm sorry, it's just I mean, it's fine. It's just as I'm annoyed for like my brother to not like he's his first grandkid, you know, and he's not even trying to

at least congratulate my brother on anything. But anyway, that's neither here nor there. But that's so sorry. We don't need to get into strained family. You're fine. I mean, I'll talk about anything. I'm an open book when it comes to that stuff as well. But I just don't want us to get derailed from our from our totally from our episode. I guess, so you live in Carbondale with your fiance. What's your fiance? His name? His name

is Dylan Brown, Um, and he's a photographer. I don't He and I are a couple of years older than you were thirty five, so I don't know if, um, you would have had any overlap growing up in the valley too. He graduated high school probably oh five, I guess, Yeah, okay, yeah, I was oh nine, so he probably like got out right before. And granted it was different high school all that kind of stuff, But yeah, how did you guys meet?

We met? Actually because so I was living in l A and I had just started my nonprofit she lived, and I was looking to hire a photographer slash videographer to document one of our first events, and it was being held in Aspen, so I was looking for local UH crew and he came as the referral and we hung out and he attended the retreat and helped all of the girls. Um. Just for a little background, the nonprofit helps young women with disabilities learned confidence through skiing

and hiking and rock climbing and outdoor recreation. And so once I saw Dylan spending time with all these girls and being really thoughtful and considerate and patient with all their needs and just friendly, UM, an attraction grew and I fell in love with them. And now we're engaged, engaged, and you've been engaged for like a year, I think, right, one year? Yeah, exactly. How did he pop the question?

On the Roaring Fork River. We're big, we're river rats, and so we I love rafting, and he arranged an afternoon to go rafting and did it right under this epic view of Mount sop Rust Again, for everyone listening, I know this is you don't know where this is, but it's like where demon I I spent a lot, have spent a lot of time, and so it's right under my favorite mountain on the river and with my

friends and some champagne and it was perfect. It's just so I love that you live in Carbone because I love that we can, you know, bond over the fact that you of all the little spots you're talking about. Um, I know, and I've been waiting, like for so long because I've known this for like years, but obviously we

haven't really overlapped. And um, and then like there's just so many similarities I feel like between you and Kalin and me and Dylan, And like when I met Dylan, I was the l a girl that kind of had to step out of my comfort zone and learn how to go camping and traveling, and Dylan got me into climbing and repelling. And I see like so many similarities. Um. So I've always wanted to talk to you, and God,

we finally have the chance. I know. I'm excited too, and I'm ex super excited for your engagement as well. Do you guys have a wedding date plans? We don't. We don't have a date yet because we have been going through IVF treatment UM for a little over a year, so that kind of we like put the cart before the horse a little bit in that sense. And we tried to start a family before we got engaged, so

that's taken a little bit of the priority. It's tough to plan a wedding when you're not really sure what's going on with pregnancy, and I you've been pretty open about the IVF process, right, how has that been? Yeah, it's been. Uh. I mean, like every challenge or struggle that I seem to encounter, I'm very fortunate to find

an amazing community through it. So infertility is extremely challenging and difficult, and it's something that so many families, women and men deal with, um, you know, in private, they keep it to themselves. And this is where I'm so fortunate to have the platform that I have because I've

been able to connect with women everywhere through this. So it's been a really hard, long journey, but I feel grateful to have, you know, an amazing doctor and an amazing support group out of everyone online and in person. And so I'm hopeful. I'm optimistic we finally have enough of our embryos frozen on ice that we're going to move forward with starting to like implant and transfer more embryos. So fingers crossed fingers for you to thank you in

your journey with all this IVF stuff. How did you even find out that it was something that you needed to do? Um? Well, essentially, Dylan and I one day just kind of decided we were ready to start having kids. We were like, we have so much fun. Wouldn't it be so cool to like bring a kid on these

adventures that we love doing. And so we started trying natural early and I knew, you know, I was thirty three, So I was like, Okay, I need to be a little bit aware that doctors say you should try for six months, um and if you have no luck to go in and get your hormones tested and just get

a good check up. So sure enough, after seven months of trying naturally with no luck, I went in, I got my hormones tested and I found out essentially they were like rock bottom, and um, I was diagnosed with something called diminished ovarian reserve, which just means you've limited

eggs and limited ovarian function for a woman your age. So, um, it was pretty clear from there forward, like Okay, here's your options ivf or bust and uh so we said, okay, and we found a great doctor and we've been working with her in California for a year now and we are in very good hands. Nice Um. And so you said you're kind of like coming up to towards the next step in the process. Is that like intimidating, um a little bit. I think, you know, we're very ready

to bring a new and venture bud into our life. Like, that's what we're super excited about. What's intimidating is, you know, just a little bit of the lifestyle changes that are going to happen at first. Um. You know, I think we're just like a little nervous about shifting gears a little bit. But everyone we talked to you is like, don't be scared. You know, your kids get they just are in addition to your life. Your life doesn't have

to stop because you have kids. So I think we're really ready, and especially since we've had our mind in the game for two years now, we're ready. Yeah. I like that you guys are doing the whole baby before the wedding thing too. You know, I think a lot of people would be like scared to do that for whatever reason. But I don't know, I just like, yeah,

break in some social norms. I don't know. We're just we're both pretty like like, weddings are great and they're beautiful, and we go to tons of weddings and hopefully someday we'll have one. But for us, honestly, we're like, we'll probably just doing like an adventure elopement or something and have a big party with all of our friends. We're just a little different like that, No, I mean, I'm kind of well, Caitlin and I are the same way too.

Obviously we're not even engaged or anything like that, but we talked about like what our wedding would look like and everything, and every time that gets brought up, I'm always like, I don't like want more than ten people there, like maybe ten people is even a lot in my opinion, uh, and like definitely small, like you know, like a litlement type thing. So I'm all on board with that idea too. Um what does she think? She's on board with it too? She is very much in the same vein as I,

which is good. I like because even like I went to a wedding a couple of months ago and there was like six hundred people there, and the groom had like thirteen groomsmen, and the bride had like ten bridesmaids. And I was looking around and I was like, this, it would be the most stressful day for like, like, how do you enjoy it? When I would be worried about everyone else there and like I can't even say

hi to everyone. It's yeah, I don't know, it's tough, but six hundred people, that's like the biggest wedding I've ever heard. I could be I could be a way over exaggerating, but I honestly feel like I'm under exaggerating. It was like, it felt like it was crazy. But um, that's good. You guys are and you guys are on the same page of that as well. You and Dylan. Yeah, yeah very much. So. Um, you said, Dylan Brown, I went to high school with a guy nam Dylan Brown.

But I know it's not the same one. I was just I was hoping that it was, but obviously it's not. Yeah, no, it's probably not, But I mean it's a pretty Brown is a pretty common last name. That's true. But Dylan, why come on, do I l a n Yeah? I know. If only he knew we were talking about him this much right now? Does he get like camera shy? Oh? Very yeah. He like he's used to being behind nick camera. Um, he's getting better, but especially with the whole Bachelor thing,

it's so foreign to him. He'd never seen the show. Um, so he gets a little like about all that. I'm the same way with Kylin. I'm always like She's always like, take a picture with me, and I was like, I'll take a picture of you gladly, But I don't want to be in the picture or like on the video or anything like that. Um, I want to. I want well, I want to bring Kaylen to Carbondale and I have us all hang out, and I really want you have to.

I really want you to rub off on her because she's all on board, like with all the adventuring and the hiking and the climbing and the rafting and all that stuff. But she gets a little in her head and like scared sometimes. And I think if she sat down with you or like, you know, if we went out and did something together and she saw you doing that stuff, I think it would really help her confidence. Oh my gosh, I don't know it could it could go both ways, but I would love that anytime you

guys want to come out. I have kind of developed a little bit of a rope fear lately though, so I don't know, and we could probably encourage each other. I don't know what it was. I had a little bit of an experience and now I have like PTSD

on ropes. What happened. We went repelling out in Utah, middle of nowhere, UM, and we went with a group canyoneering, and uh, we walked up to this I think it's called a dead man anchor, where the anchors built around a pile of rocks, so there's like no bolted in anchor, and you repel off of that for listeners who aren't familiar with canyoneering or telling UM, and it can be totally safe. It sounds dangerous, but it can be totally safe. There are ways to repel off like um, you know,

natural features safely. But it just so happened that a girl had died, like literally died this is so horrible on that repel a year before, and so there was this little memorial set to her at the anchor point and I just kind of lost it. I was like, I can't do it. I had a full on panic attack, um, and had to like walk myself out of the canyon, which I'm very fortunate was like at the beginning of the canyon, because sometimes you know, if if you're too

far in, you can't you can't walk out. Um. So I had a little bit of a panic attack, went back to the truck by myself, and just ever since then, I'm like, I don't know if I can lean back, which is crazy because repelling and canyoneering was kind of my thing. And so what do you think it was? Do you think it was just like the thought of

everything that had happened there. Yeah, I think just like I don't know the fear of falling obviously, but I have been struggling with more anxiety lately, um, the last couple of years in life, and so I think it just got really activated, you know. Yeah, I know, you know, rope sports can be very safe if done well and and properly, and so I know, I just need to kind of get back out there right. Once you do it the first time again, you're gonna be like, what

am I doing? I'm crazy for being Yeah, So Calin and I can like we can be there for each other I would love to see Kylin try to repel down something, because all the climbing we've done, I've just basically lowered her from the ground. Uh it's repelling, is I mean it's scary, especially like the first couple of times you do it, just like leaning all the way back and trusting everything, and then like then you're just

hanging there or whatever. Um. I remember one time we climbed the Grand Teton and on one of the wraps down the way, you know, it's like a big hanging repel all the whole way down. And I climbed with both my brothers. One of them is like uper experienced climber, like you know, he was basically the lead of the group. And then my other brother, who's also good at climbing,

had just never repelled before. And he's my older brother, and so he's this guy who have always seen is like the strong figure, strong, brave, you know, all these things, and then he goes to repel and he's like he's like shaken, and he like doesn't know what to do and he's all scared, and I'm like, Ross, I've never seen you like this before. And it's all just because he was wrapping down, you know, a hundred foot cliff, which is scary for sure, but I mean it's just

like it's just a really heavy experience. I think it really is totally. And and then once you do the first one, like you said, you kind of like get in the flow and you're like, oh this is amazing and you're waitless and it's a whole but yeah, just taking that first step back backwards is yeah, definitely, we were,

I thought. So we were climbing also like last month in Wyoming, and we were pulling the rope down from our It was like a multi pitch, so we were pulling our rope down and the rope got snagged and we yanked it really hard to get it unsnagged, and uh kick some raw is free. So there's like rocks falling down on top of us, and one of them, a rock the size of my fist, probably ended up

hitting me in my stomach. And I was like, I've never I've always been like told to keep your eyes up and like make sure no rocks are falling on you. It was my first experience ever, and I think next time I go climbing, I'm gonna be like kind of uh you know, scared of that a little bit too, But yeah, I don't know. So what do you and Caitlin have any big adventure plans for this summer? Um? We are going to Mexico City for her birthday. We're gonna spend like a week down there, And I mean,

honestly not really. I I like feel, uh like we've kind of hit a rut in terms of like our traveling, but we just like to don't really have anything crazy on the horizon. I'm doing, Uh, I'm doing a solo trip to Pakistan in August. That's like my next big hiking excursion, um, but which would be really fun. We're going to We're not climbing K two obviously unfortunately, but we're going to like one of the only remote viewpoints of it. So it's like a three week backpacking trip,

which should be fun. Wow. Yeah, it's like that's what I have to look forward to. Now, what about you guys? You and Dylan, do you guys have anything on the We're kind of the same. It kind of like slowed down, especially as we're going through IVF because we just had to like orient our lives around doctor's appointments so much. But we just got back from driving the Baja, so we drove all the way Colorado to Cabo and back. It was amazing. Have you done it? I have done it.

I hated it. Yeah, you hated it? Why well, so the first time, because the Baja is definitely the way to do at the Baja coast is beautiful for the way down, because I drove to Saulita and the way down I drove like mainland Mexico and on the map it looks like it's next to the ocean the whole time, but in reality it's like, you know, a hundred yards inland, and so it just doesn't pretty. And it was with my I did it with my buddy, and we got pulled over a bunch of times, and like how to

give the cops a bunch of bribes and stuff. So it wasn't ideal, but it was. It was a mess. But then I got my van shipped from Sayalita to Cabo on like a ferry, and then I drove and I drove Cobbo back up to Los Angeles, which I think is that it was way more enjoyable of an experience. Did you drive up the Sea of Cortez side or the Pacific side. I kind of did both. I can't remember looking for it. Yeah, it kind of like had me pouncing back between. But why did you guys do that?

Just for fun? Yeah, we had a wedding down in Toto Santo since and uh, we've always wanted to do it, so we just we're like, Okay, April is like the time to do it. Let's do it. And it took about three and a half weeks. I flew down, I should be I should disclose that Dylan drove down. I flowed I flew down and drove back with him. Um, so it was three and a half weeks ish and it was incredible. Um, why did you fly? How come you didn't want to go both ways with them? I

didn't really get the invite. He he went with one of his childhood best friends and they just wanted to surf the whole way down and then on the way back up because I don't surf, I paddle board, and so we knew like on the way back up we'd spend more time doing the Sea of Cortez side and paddle boarding and just doing a little bit more of a chill drive back. Nice. Yeah, I'm not much of a surfer either, which I think if you're going to

do that drive, it definitely pays to be a surfer. Um, And did you guys like car camp or how did you like where did you guys stay at night? We did? You have to go look at my instagram because we got and we got this sick um wedge top camper on top of our pickup. We just slept in there and it was the temperatures were perfect. If anyone's considering doing it, April was a great time to go because it gets really cool at night and it gets really hot during the day, so it was like the perfect

time of year. Yeah, that's nice. I did. We did it in June and my van doesn't have air conditioning and it was very very warm. Oh yeah, but it wasn't so bad. It's like like you said, at nighttime, it always gets like cold enough, except for maybe a couple of nights where it's not so bad. And even in paradise, like you don't you didn't have air conditioning, You just had fans blown on your whole time. Yeah. I will never forget having that fan just like right

in front of my face. Yeah, it was so muggy there it's a lot people. It's so funny it's called paradise, but in reality it's like it's hell because I, for one, also hate the waves. I know, like people always talk about like how waves like a soothing, calming sound, but like when you're stuck on the beach and you can't go anywhere and all you hear is every you know, eight seconds, you hear a wave crash. Yeah, I was like it was like water boarding me for the last

couple of weeks. But same, I have to sleep with ear plugs because it's just like the waves. It gets too it's too loud sometimes too, it's just too much. But did you have the crab issue in Paradise? We like, it wasn't ever an issue, but there were definitely a lot of crabs. Oh, we had major issues. I think it because it was also like storm season ish or were on the tail of a hurricane or something, and so all the crabs were coming into the house and

people's suitcases would be like full of crabs in the suitcases. Yes, in the suitcases. It was like we just got used to like open flipping your suitcase open and crabs crawling out roommates. That's pretty funny. Yeah. I definitely didn't experience that at all, but maybe other people for my seasons did. Um. Yeah, I've got one more question for you. What was it? Oh, you were in a fit bit commercial, weren't you? Yes? Did you see it? Yeah? I did. I saw that.

I was like, wait, that girl looks really familiar, and yeah, yeah, that was wild. I they asked me to be in this fitbit commercial and I didn't know what the concept was. Okay, here's another repelling story. I didn't know what the concept was. And they flew me to Barcelona and they were like, yeah, you know how to rock climb, right, And I was like yeah, sure, like enough, I'm like a five six seven climb and okay, perfect. And so we get there and we're out in the middle of nowhere in Barcelona

was so epic and there are um no crew. We had like a safety day, a rehearsal day, and they're like, okay, so have you ever done a port allege. I've been in a port a ledge and I have not so free listening to portal ledges. When you see climbers sleeping on the side of a mountain in a tent, so like if you saw the movie Free Solo, they like sleep halfway up the mountain in these tents that are suspended.

So I kind of started freaking out. But um, fortunately what you see in the commercial, I mean we were so everything was like bolted in and very secure, and it was I was kind of like faking it. But that was intense and that was a trip to be like climbing up that pitch. I don't know what it was rated, but the drones are like flying around you and it was pretty insane. That is insane. I've never been on a portal ledge either. I could imagine it

being terrifying though. Yeah. Yeah, I I mean I can't say I would do it voluntarily again, right, And it's just crazy to think people like sleep on those things over like for multiple nights at a time. Oh my gosh. Climbers are definitely a different breed. Well that's awesome. Yeah, I remember I saw I saw you on the commercial and I was like, that's I mean, it was just even amazing to see you on there. Yeah, how did you get in touch with them? It was just like

three year management, I guess or something like that. Yeah, they reached out. It was kind of like a small world colliding. My background isn't advertising. When I was in l A, I worked agency side, and so the girl who was on like a fitbit brand, there was overlap at the agency we worked at, and so I think she remembered saying like, oh, this girl, Sarah Heir and I we had overlap at the agency. And then she went on the Bachelor, and she's a climber adventure so

sick love. It all came together. Um, all right, well, we definitely I need to get to the next segment. I feel like I could talk all day with you about everything. Uh, and it's been it's been nice getting to the celebrity headlines to talk about well, trust me, all of the listeners of this podcast now, I hate the celebrity headlines. So we're gonna just skip right over those and we're gonna get to the email. But we're gonna we're gonna take a quick break and we'll be

right back. All right, Welcome back. That was a quick quick break. Where do the emails now? And Eastern If you're out there listening from your sister's broom closet and you want to read these emails for us, we would really appreciate that. It would be my pleasure, Dean. This first one is from uh Jenna. When I got married, that's how we do it. We're professionals here. When I got married, everyone told me never go to sleep angry. Well,

I found the exact opposite to be true. Sometimes I feel like it's good to step away from a heated conversation or disagreement and, you know, sleep on it. I would love to do your thoughts on this, which do you prefer sleep on it or talk it out before going to bed? I personally have found so many times where Kaylin and I get like a silly little argument

near the end of the night. Uh, there's like no fixing it, and so the only thing we can do is go to sleep, and then we wake up in the morning and we're, you know, back to being goofy and silly. So I I personally am an advocate for

sleeping on it when you're angry. What do you think, Sarah, um gosh, this is where Dylan and I do kind of like clash a little bit because I am I'm like someone that needs to talk about it, and that doesn't mean will necessarily reach a resolution, but I'm someone that's like I can't go to bed, we have to talk about it, whereas Dylan very much like to sleep on it, go for a walk, come back to it later.

So I think it's just people have different communication styles. Yeah, I agree, And I mean, like the old adage of like never go to a bit angry, It's like, come on, that's pretty hard to do it. Never go to bit angry. I don't think anyone could ever possibly do that. And even if you do kind of resolve it, like I think both people still need time to decompress. Like you're not just going to be like, Okay, we're all good, let's go to sleep. Um. So yeah, I think that's

a little unrealistic. But someone like me with my I just like need to talk about you and I don't know, is it pretty pretty smooth sailing all the time for you guys? Um it's gotten a lot better in the last couple of years. Yeah, and UM, we've like really, I mean, things happen, right, like every relationship your human

arguments are going to happen, Disagreements are going to happen. Um. I think we're getting much better at learning each other's communication styles and um and working through things rather than just like getting heated and jumping to the conclusion of like, oh this like we're not meant for each other, we

need to break up. You know. That was very early in our relationship, but well, I mean it definitely even with Kaylin and I too, and it's just been so tricky I feel like the past couple of years with the pandemic and quarantine, and it's like, of course you're going to be at each other's throat sometimes when you're

just like constantly around that person. Um, So it's kind of the same for us to like once Kalen and I have started to figure each other as like things that make each other tick or like with the way we argue with each other, it's definitely it makes things a little bit easier. I guess yeah. I think the

pandemic was good for that in that sense. It's like just expedited people's relationships and kind of stuff out exactly, kind of like it was like a make or break Like if you guys get through this, you're gonna be stronger. And if you don't get through it, then sure you're just going to be together. Um when did you When did you and Don't start dating? How long were you guys dating before you got engaged. Um, well, we had been dating for four years, like three four years before

we got engaged. Three and a half years. Yeah, a long time. I mean, honestly, I think if he had his way, he's very untraditional, like, we probably wouldn't have gotten engaged. But it was important to me, even though we know we're going to spend our lives with each other. I mean, clearly we're going through IVF together. So but I just kind of wanted like the formality of it, the traditional nous of it, and so he did it

for me. I'm telling you that's okay to say. No, the similarities between you two and me and Calin are like so spot on because it's exactly the same for us. Like I think, I honestly think growing up in the valley in Glenwood, through Aspen, wherever you might have grown up, it's just like it Just I don't know, because all of my friends that I grew up with, like none of them are super keen on getting married right away

and having kids when you're you know, twenty four or whatever. Um, and then yeah, so that's kind of where I'm at. And then Calin is from Virginia, and so she's like way more old fashioned and traditional, and so she wanted to get married young. And so now obviously, h I will marry Caylin just because she wants to get married. But if I had it my way, just like Dylan would, I probably would be totally okay, just dating forever. Um yep, that's exactly exactly U. Yeah, and for better or for

worse too. It's like, I don't think there's like a right answer in it, you know. And I think, at the end of the day, what made me just be like okay, Like I would be happy to marry you, Kalen is uh. I think it would make her a lot happier than not getting married would make me happier. So it's like I just it just didn't make sense not to give her the thing that she wanted, you know, right. I love that. Yeah, it's not the most romantic thing.

So much together, I love it. It's really cool, Like I mean, seeing your guys relationship evolve and grow and mature together has been has been really cool. And I don't know Klin. I've never talked to her, but like, please send her the message. I just think seeing her development and evolution has been really really just inspiring. She's an awesome lady. I love it. She's great. She's a Gemini, so she she picks up on things really quick. I

guess that's what she always says. Yeah, nice, what are you? I'm an Aries? Okay, Aries January right, I don't know. April seventeenth is my birthday. I mean I don't know much about it either, and I don't conform to it. But whenever she says stuff like that, she always is like, well, I'm a Gemini, so that's why. And I was like, Okay,

I guess I'll give it to you. Um, but yeah, we're gonna We're gonna have to get you guys to get together at some point because, like I said, I think you Yeah, I think you guy would get along really well. Um, Eastern, what's the next email for us? Here? This next one is from Devon. I trust my boyfriend and would hope that he would never cheat on me. I have never looked at his phone or Instagram d

M s because I do trust him. My best friend told me that most couples look at each other's phone pass or know each other's phone passwords, and do look at each other's messages. Is it okay that I don't have any desire to look through my boyfriend's phone. To me, if someone feels the need to look through their partner's phone, then that's a red flag. But my friend has me overthinking. I'll let you can handle this one first, sir. I think it's totally fine and normal if you don't have

the urge to look at your partner's phone. Um, I never I don't look at Dylan's phone. I have the like finger print password things, so if I need to get into his phone, but I've never felt the need to like look at his d MS or text message is and I just trust him. So I think if you don't have that urge, that's great. It's a good good sign opinion. I agree, I feel like having the

urge to look at your boyfriend's phone is bad. Yeah, Like I've never once like needed to go through Calin's phone to like snoop or like see what was going on, and like I would dread the moment that I would have to do that. So yeah, like you know, I know Calin's passwords, she knows my password and has her face and everything set up on my phone, so it's like, I think it's good that you don't have the urge,

because that just means I I only think. I think that the reason people get that urge to go through their partner's phone is because they feel guilty about having done something themselves, and so they're like projecting or like you know, I don't know, taking it out on their other on the partner, I don't know. I agree. I think usually if you have the urge to snoop, it's more to do with probably you. Yeah, not always if someone's obviously displaying evidence or reason for needing to snoop,

then that's different. But big lay, I think it probably says a little bit more about you and your trust issue, you know, trust trust issues that Yeah, I wouldn't say issues, but A right, that's okay, that's that's better to say that way for sure. Um yeah, I agree. I mean, I I definitely think at certain points in my life I was that guy where I was like, you know, wanting to see go through my girlfriend's phone. But that was probably also the time in my life where I

was like, I don't know, an asshole. So I like, like we said, I think that it's not a bad thing that you don't want to look at your boyfriend's phone, and I should keep that energy now. Whenever Kylin grabs my phone, I'm always I'm not like, I'm always like, what do you need on my phone that you can get on your phone? But like, obviously you have at it, right,

you know right? I mean the only time I pick up Dylan's phone usually is like to put a podcast on or something he hasn't he has an Android, So I don't even like his phone. Oh he has an Android? Yeah, how do you? I can't believe you guys even fell in love at all going through the stocks. Honestly, it sucks. I know. I'm like, I will eye you and iPhone get on an iPhone. That's how. That's how we know

you guys are gonna last forever. If you can date a guy on an Android, you're meant to be together forever. I know. If you can, if you can look past that, wow, because we can't even like air drop photos to each other, like it just it puts a real hindrance on the relationship. So how do you do it? You make like a drop drop drop box folder or something. We found WhatsApp works pretty good because for whatever reason. What's app doesn't really like um compress photos but videos don't come through

very well? Gotcha? Yeah, that's definitely, definitely yeah, definitely a bit of a struggle when you're like content creators and can't share content very easily. So come on, Dylan and like group chats and stuff. You think about all the group chats he's missing out on because no one wants to have the green message pop up. I know, I know, poor guys. All right, well that's gonna do it for

this week's episode of Help I Suck at Dating. But this week of Help by Sucker Dating is not over because we still have a great episode coming up in a couple of days. We are interviewing contestants from Sarah's new favorite show, which is called Love in the Jungle. It took me a second to remember what it was called Love in the Jungle? What did you think of the show? Love? I love it so far. I'm hooked. You guys are gonna love it. It's on Discovery Plus

check it out. So good? Nice? Okay, so loving the Jungle Discovery Plus. We're gonna have Paige in Austin joining us here. Sarah, thank you for joining us. This week because this has just amazing. Oh it's been so fun. I'm like grinning from ear to ear. So many overlaps we have to make a hangout happen in person, and I'm I'm disappointed at myself for having allowed this to go on for so long without us meeting no worries. I mean, all happens when it's supposed to, so we'll

get there, that's right. And I mean, in all fairness, there aren't many outdoorsy people that come out of this Bachelor franchise, so I know, I know, Crunchy Folt gotta stick together totally. Yeah, all right, well thanks for having me. Yeah, of course, be sure to tune in on Thursday. We're gonna have Austin and Page from Loving the Jungle, so stay tuned. I guess follow hell by suck At Dating on I Heart Radio or wherever you listen to podcast