Prenups in Paradise

good to be back. Three weeks vacation for me. I feel like ten days is a good vacation time. More than that, I just get like homesick. So I'm happy to be back. Yeah, three weeks you get really homesick. I've been there, and it's like, okay, after ten days, I agree with you. Ten days, I'm kind of ready to go back home. M Also, obviously, Mark and Easton are in studio. Dean is um here. He's driving here, and that's important because we have a lot to ask

him about as far as Paradise goes. Yes, I've asked him to share his location with me so I can give you all time updates of how far away he is? Okay, how far is Dean? I don't know. Yeah, he hasn't responded yet, but I've requested the location. All right. Well, he did text us approximately ten minutes ago saying he was thirty four minutes away. Ten minutes ago. Just about maybe about fifteen minutes ago. It's hard to get on

my topic. That might be another hour. Okay, Well we'll see, so we'll find out the van is about twenty minutes away approximately. The question is does he have somebody else in the van with it? And we have some obviously breaking recent news from Bachelor in Paradise that involves our very own Dean Anglert, So we're gonna catch up with

him later on in this podcast. But first we have some very special guests that are in studio rate now from the news show Marrying Millions, which UH premiered last Wednesday. Second episode is tomorrow night, ten pm on Livetime. We have Sean Laurdes and Megan Thomas in studio. Thank you so much for joining us, guys, appreciate it. So tell us about your new show, Marrying Millions, what it's about. Because you two are engaged, you're engaged before the show,

but tell us a little bit about it. Well, one of the individuals on on the show is a millionaire and the other one is not is a millionaire, and I am the girl from the small town that met the man of her dream Megan. I am from a small town and I am not a millionaire either, So I certainly relate. I'm very I'm relating to you on that one. Um. So, the whole show pretty much centers around the story. Like you said, there's couples, one is wealthy, one is not or not not wealthy, but obviously not

a millionaire. Um. And so the whole point of the show, from my understanding, is that it really gets down to the crunx crux of whether somebody is here for the quote right reasons, which is thrown around Bachelor all the time, right reasons, wrong reasons of whether somebody is dating someone just because of their money, right or a gold digger? Right?

Are they a gold digger? A gold digger? And gold diggers can be guys, they can be girls, they can be and yeah, well, on the show, there's also someone who's an older woman dating someone who's basically her daughter's age. Right, there's six couples. So it's a docuseries and they follow six couples. You're one of the six couples. And um, there's also another couple, Jared, I want to see if you know your if your math skills are really good.

There's another couple, Bill and Brianna. Bill is sixty, Brianna is twenty one. Guess well, can you calculate what the aged gap is? Yeah, they're thirty nine years good? Come on, guys, Come on. The Rhode Island Public School system did me no wrong? I barely passed. Um. So, Megan, is it something that you Um? Is that the reason why you wanted to do the show to kind of put an end to like the the idea that people think people

marry for money. I wanted to the show. I actually kind of made Sean do the show, and I'm like, come on, it'll be fun because we just like new experiences. We do things that the public doesn't really have access to, so we just like unique experiences. So I'm like, let's do this show. It sounds so fun. Yeah, totally. It's kind of the same thing. Before we get asked to go on Bachelor, people are like, why would you date on TV. It's like, why not? You know, it's such

an incredibly unique opportunity. Why would I ever say no to this if life has led me this way? Um, but you guys were dating before the show. So you guys have been together for how long? Five years? Just about five years? And then you got engaged last year? Correct? Perfect? And so now you guys now I know the show, uh, circles all around the drama, right, and it might be leading towards the idea, you know, whether you guys are gonna stay engage, whether you're going to break off the engagement.

So you can't talk about wedding plans just yet, right, You'll have to watch. Okay, I love that line. It seems as though your relationship that was mostly the drama's mostly around family. That's right. Sean's dad is, you know, worried about securing the family's wealth, and so he's kind of the one that's hesitant about us getting married. He's on his third wife as well, that explains it. Yeah, he has a prenup about two inches high with his

third one. He sent it to so long you wanted me to just have Megan sign it right at the bottom and without reading He's like, I'll just do it, like at least she'll, you know, have some drinks. How it works now, just you know, a little tipsy and just sign right here, honey. Don't worry about it. It's not like it's a pre nuptial agreement or anything. My

mom says it ruined her marriage with my dad. Oh well, I wonder what was in the prenup though, because I know a lot of couples who um well, personally, I I've actually, uh, it's a subject that I've been thinking about too, because I'm in a relationship not nearly as close to what you guys are five years as a kid, Like,

it's a very new relationship for me. But prenup has always been a subject that I remember, like years ago, I thought I would never sign a prenup because to me, it's like, well why would It's almost like a contract, right, So if this happens, then this is like these are the consequences to that. And then as I start talking to more people, it kind of just made more sense. Like my families, My parents are divorced, and I know a lot of people who are divorced as well, And

it's not only about assets. I think it's it's about like other things too that come along with it. So is that something that's totally off the table for you guys? We you know, I want my Dad's very important to me. I want him to be at the wedding, but he's saying that he's you know, there there's no wedding without a prenup, and so we're struggling with that right now. We're just trying to make them both happy. Megan doesn't want to be labeled as a gold digger, you know.

She's feels like if I sign that, you know, it means I just want everybody happy. It's hard to make, you know, it's impossible to make everybody happy. I mean, I'm currently engaged right now, and it's tough with you know, you have your own family that's supporting and loving you, and then you also have your significant other, UM, who you want to make happy. And it's difficult, right because there's so many different personalities, there's so many people that

you care about deeply. It's really hard to know what the right decision is. UM. But my question is, actually, because I'm a little naive within this subject, what exactly is a pre numb Because I know it's it's signed before you get married, right does it? Could do it after marriage? Okay, you can do it afterwards. Yeah, I mean there. You can also put sunset clauses in it, I mean their meaning if you're successful in your marriage for ten years, it becomes null. You know, you can

do that. There's a lot of things like that that that my dad was mentioning. We can, you know, make tell Megan that, like, hey, wasn't there something if the woman gains thirty pounds or something that you have to get it the worst, no way. And your death contract. He has something like that. I don't remember the exact details of it, but something alto Yeah, small print paragraph three, line four. Um, that's very interesting. So Megan, what is your apprehension was signing a pre nump? I also think

it's like a contract, like a business agreement. You know, we're not even married yet, and you want you think that I'm going to like take the family's money. I think it creates this trust and I don't want to print up interesting, very interesting. I think from an outsider's perspective, it's tough because I can see both sides of it. Because I can obviously see your father's side, saying, hey, it's not that I think my future daughter in law is a quote unquote gold digger. But things happen right

and you can't predict the future. But I also see because he was married three times, so I totally understand where he's coming from. And like I said, my parents are divorced too, So now I understand the value of a prenup. But it's it's not for everybody. It's not to say that everybody needs to do that. But enough for the heavy talk. We we know that this uh, this show is about real relationship, real love. We want

to know, how did you guys meet. I was going to u c l A. And Sean had a position open at his foundation, the Lord has foundation, and so I went to go apply for this job and he was fifteen minutes late to the meeting, so I bounced back to school and then he kind of just chased me after that. I'm an interactive CEO. I like to meet the people we were hiring. She had an impressive resume, so I mean, I was like, this girl is straight a.

She's the captain of this at her high school. She does this and this and and she's beautiful and she's gorgeous with brains. I wanted to I wanted to meet her, and uh when I went down, she was gone fifteen minutes. I couldn't believe it. So I looked her up and it took me a year and a half to get her on the first date. Oh, I got that's so cute. A year and a half. What where you're holding out for Megan? I mean he was intimidating I like he would have all these photos with actresses and fancy cars,

and I was kind of like, who is this guy? Actually? See how you brought that up. I kind of want to get to one of those pictures, which I am fascinated by. So Sean, I may have looked you up on the old the old Graham before he came in, just to kind of familiarize myself with both of you guys. You have a few awesome pictures. You have a picture with you know, Barack Obama, Don Junior, you have a picture with Dali Lama and Jim Carrey, which is freaking awesome.

But there's one picture that's so vague I have to ask you about it. It just was last July four or excuse me, two years ago. And it's a picture of Kiana Reeves with with Sean Jr. Your child, and it says happy four the July. Everyone, thank you Kiano Reeves for keeping Sean Junior safe. Hashtag babysitting Did Keana Reeves babysit Sean Jr. He's an awesome guy. I we bumped into him in the Malibu Mark Market. He's always there everyone I like see him. He's there like all

the time, Malibu Market, the Malibu Country Mark. Yeah, and uh my mom saw him, loves him. We love him in the Matrix. You don't think I can bend time. He's point break Johnny. He's Shane Falcon. That dude's the man. And he uh, you know, he babysit him. He baby sat him for like that five seconds right there. You know, it was just you know, he was nice enough to hold him and take a picture from my mom. He's

He's really awesome. That's awesome. I know I had to because I was just scrolling through and I'm a big Kiana Reese fan, and obviously that dude is going through a moment right now. He's the biggest name in the world. Uh. And I it was such a vague picture of just you and now I know your mother and your son, and it just said babysit And I was like, is this guy have Keanu rees as a babysitter right now?

And he's coming on our podcast. It's real money. Lionel Richie is like his godfather though he's you know, like he we have. We're very blessed to have a really awesome group of friends and you know, we're you know, we we've met wonderful people and they're all very supportive of of our kids. Like I feel like their energy just transformed like we were. Lionel rubbed Megan's belly, you know, before he was born at Nobu. I feel like that good energy passed on. And now he's like an actor himself.

He's like, you know, he's doing so many things. He's got an agent in New York. He makes his own money. He's he's got a little bank account three now he's three, three and a half. He's three and a half with an agent. Like god, I gotta get on. I'm thirty and I'm just slacking right now. Um So, Sean, who was your hesitation going on the show. My hesitation was, you know, I'm kind of a more of a private guy. And Megan came over and just asked me, you know,

six times, let's do it. Please, please, please, please, pleace. So I just said, okay, you know, it would be good to get the foundation out there a little more. People need help with any kind of charity, you know, help with their lives or something, you know, I want to I would like them to come to our foundation and ask for help. We're looking for a new program foundation, the lord Is Foundation. What do we do a lot

of youth empowerment and education. You know, we used to go to schools and talk to kids and not to give up on their dreams. And then I just said, you know, we can do a bigger impact. What can we do? So I teamed up with his holiness the Dalai Lama, brought him into you know, went down to India State at his home and uh, he was so generous and nice to fit me in because normally have to wait five years to work with him. But he's like,

you know what, I believe in your cause. And so he Uh, we rented out the stadium, the Forum Stadium for him and hosted him in Los Angeles and and gave five thousand tickets away to the inner city kids that haven't really seen the beach. You know, they they're that poor. So we bought my teamed up with another charity, bust them in with their parents, their teachers and principles. Five thousand tickets I gave for free, uh, which some people were like, oh, we need to charge for those.

I'm like, now we're giving those for free. You know, it's awesome. And we busted and the Dollar Lama said it was this most youthful event he's ever done. That was something nice. But if you work with the Doali Lama, I don't think you're gonna want to work with me. And we got you into the Dali Lama. You guys are on the same. Yeah, we got a bush bucket load of letters from the kids. It was so nice.

One was terminally ill and she's like, you're not going to get you know, I'm not gonna be around when you see this letter. But I just want you to know that event changed my life. It was it was just touching on the right path. And yeah, we did an their event. The leaders of l a uh you know underneath the Endeavor space shuttle that was you know, all the head of the homeless shelters or like the head of the studios. You know, it was all like the who's who. And that's where Jim Carrey came. We

invited him because he really wanted He was really funny. Actually, he saved me up on stage. I was trying to be funny up there and with all the creators saying something funny and then and then half of the room laughed, so it was kind of and then he just made a joke. Everyone laughed. I'm like, thank you, thank you, thank you. Just give us Jim Carrey, though, I'm sure your joke is funny. Well, I think that's a great idea to do the show and get the exposure for

your foundation. Now that you've done the show, what can you say has helped strengthen your relationship? Like, what are the key ingredients to making a healthy relationship work? Oh? Really easy. That one's communication. Megan's really big at communications. Her degree at u c l a. Is communications, so she's loves to communicate. I don't know what else. Yeah, I think that's a big one. Telling your partner everything and anything and not keeping anything from them because ultimately

you're living your life with your partner. And your best friends, so you shouldn't keep anything from them. I think a lot of our listeners have difficulty talking about money, um, because in a lot of relationships, there's one part of the relationship that makes you know, one person that may make more money than the other. So how do you

guys deal with that? I mean, for me, it was a big adjustment kind of getting used to Seawan's habits of spending, because I come from a place where I save up like every penny and he's, you know, he likes suspend a little bit more. But I think that as you grow with somebody, you just get used to it. And now we have the same bank accounts, you know, I'm attached to his bank accounts, so it's kind of very transparent about what we spend. And yeah, just trust

each other, you know, just take a leap of faith. Yeah, you live once goes by so fast. Why not just share? It's hard, I know, I know that couples, even married couples that still have separate bank accounts. Um. And so I feel like, even though it really seems like this materialistic thing, money does become an issue between people within a relationship, each to their own you know, there's everybody's different. It. I don't think there's one formula for success, but definitely communication. Uh,

taking the leap of faith trust. I mean, we're we're we believe in a higher power to so we like to you know, God's like always there, so it's like He's it's everything. That's everything. So it's like, you know, we take everything with the grain of salt, you know what I mean. Like it's not we're not trying to be better than anybody. It's just that's we're both humble, so that I think that's what allows Yeah, we can

connect on that level. It doesn't matter. Like I mean, I took her to in one year, we went to um Bali and she wanted to be a yoga teacher. So I'm like, let's let's go to the best place in the world to become a yoga teacher. And so she became a Yoga certified instructor so she can do uh. And we went to Bali for a month, and then after that we went to Thailand and then we went

to Japan. Took her to the Ritz Carlton and Kyoto and that was like they have a really good experience there where you can dress up in komotos and so I mean, just you know, life, you gotta enjoy life. Can't just all be about making money. So I think that's another thing to to enjoy your life while you're young, not wait till you're retired and then go on vacers. You gotta think that you know experiences totally. Yeah. Important.

You know I didn't ask you this one. Just one more of course before you guys go, um, I don't know if it's going to be a spoiler for the season, so no, you know, if you can answer it. What are your views about the prenupe. I know your dad's views, I know your Megan. I didn't think it was a big deal until I saw Megan got so offended with it, so I so I just took a step back and had to research a little more on why she got so upset. So it was it was interesting for me

because my parents had it. It's pretty normal, yeah it um. I want Megan happy, you know, happy wife, happy life, right, but we're not married yet. I'm learning the same thing my friend. I found a bunch of the odd clauses people have put into prenups over the years, because you can literally do whatever you want like, for example, obviously who gets the pets, but you can also who gets the pool boy, who gets the gardener, who gets bananny? That sort of thing. One prenup said that the wife

was fined five dollars for every pound she gained. That's what every pound, every pound, you know, from the pot, from the divorce. Why would a woman this one says that her husband could only watch no more than two football games per month. Screw that. You ripped that contract rate up and she could only watch two reality shows a week. In the deal, what religion their children will practice,

whether or not their child will be a vegetarian? Um? Oh, for every time the husband was rude to his in laws, he had to pay ten thousand dollars. Well, that's such a vague thing dollars. And so supposedly justin timber Lake has a deal that if he cheats on Jessica Bill, she will receive five hundred thousand dollars. That seems like a low balling. Anybody else in that park with me, And you could even in the prenup determine how often

you have sex. Okay, now that's a little too much, I thought, Just like a simple prenup of like who like if something, if you guys get a divorce, whatever, like, how are the assets divided? Not? If you're gonna gain a pound, you're gonna get find five dollars for every pound. That's just I've never heard that. I laugh at the five hundred thousand dollar justin timber Lake. If he cheats

on Jessica Bill. If he cheats on Jessica Bill, which he won't, but if he does, that girl's getting at least twenty mill Okay, out of nowhere, there's five dred thousand dollar thing came in. Um, But Sean and Megan, thank you so much for coming into the studio today. We really appreciate it. Thanks for having us. Marrying Millions is on the second episode tomorrow night, Wednesday night at

ten pm Eastern Time on Lifetime. If you didn't see the season premiere last week, I'm sure you can find it wherever TV shows are right now, so you can catch up on the season. Um, Sean Megan, where can everybody find you? You can add us on Instagram, Sean lordas s E A N Foundation. What's your foundations page? You can, we have a website. The it's just it's the Lorda's Foundation Worldwide dot org that abbreviated, so just

tlf WW dot org. It's better to bind us on Instagram, and you know we have a staff there to filter things. But perfect great. And Megan my Instagram is at m E G G I R L L meg Girl. Perfect again. Yeah, thank you guys so much for coming in. We're really looking forward to keeping up with your engagement and relationship on Marrying Millions, which again is on Wednesday nights, ten o'clock on Lifetime. Thank you, thank you. I have Dean's location right there. Oh my god, he's in the other studio.

Bring him in and talk to Hi about Paradise next. A great experience. How about I was going to intro you. You just came in. Go back at studio. The band made it hesitated. I was gonna I wasn't gonna go, and then you were laughing, and then the music hadn't stopped yet. It's a long time coming, not really, because you haven't missed that. You just missed one week. Last week's episode. Yeah, that was nothing. I hope everyone had a great July fourth. I hope you had a great

July four, great Canada day. Oh yeah, that too that day that when is Canada Day? It was on July four this year. No, how was it what it was like Thanksgiving? It's always like the first Monday of July or something. I'm embarrassed. We're right, yeah, we're right after Canada. Um. So Dean, let's just jump right into it. You uh, you got promoted last night. I'm being Bachelor in Paradise.

I got promoted, promoted on Being Bachelor in Paradise. Second little trailer that was hold on, hold on, hold on. So they showed the trailer for Bachelor in Paradise, and I'm watching it and I see the Blake drama, see Hannah Gee, and then all of a sudden, I see a guy on there with luscious, luscious, beautiful flowing hair and a stash. G Nope, I guarantee you that stash is going to go down in Bachelor history and no

one is ever going to forget it. Because then later on I saw a ten second a ten second promo for Bachelor in Paradise and all it was was Dean combing his mustache and honestly, just take my money whatever I need to pay to watch this show. I'm watching because I was thinking about it. I was like, how how much must they be grasping for for something on the show? If they have, if they have, if my

mustache is a point of conversation. At this point, there were like articles being written with my mustache and the headlines, and I'm like, there should be there should be more interesting things to discuss on The Bachelor in Paradise, spoilers or teasers than my glorious mustache. I don't think so. I think that's the number one headline. Is there anything interesting that you can tell us that happened? Um, well, I grow out my mustache. I'm not gonna get into

the specifics of the mustache. It's not the last you'll see the must The mustache will be a very central point of my time on Paradise. Let me just say that there's anyone fall in love with the stash. I think every I think America has already fallen in love with this. I actually know that the Internet's reaction so

far has been pretty brutal. Everyone like, rightfully so, that the mustache was ironic, right Like I wore the mustache ironically to go to Paradise, probably to sparing myself a little bit like part of me was like, I think I'm gonna walk down there. No one's gonna be interested in me. But if I grow out a mustache, it's not my fault. It's the mustache. Oh my god and all.

So I don't know. I just thought it was funny like, and well was actually the first the first time I saw Wells, he was like, it takes a really bold man to have that kind of mustache on national television. And my point was is like, yeah, I like people come in here, they try to like polish themselves up and put their best foot forward. I was like, I'm just gonna go down there looking as grungy as I possibly can. I eat the mustache and looks it was fine.

I will say it was a little hot, you know, ninety degrees plus a hundred percent humidity with a two inch lip caterpillar, it kind of adds to the heat and the sweat a little bit. The conversations initially got off to a pretty rough start because you know, people come down, You come down and people are expecting to see you in some sort of way, and you don't

really meet their expectations in that way. But I feel like it's a good icebreaker it's a well okay, and that's that was part of it too, my first icebreaker because I'm I don't know if Vanessa knows this, but Jared obviously does. When you come down the stairs, your first task is to like pull four or five people you might be interested in going on a day it with and like having a conversation to see if there

might be chemistry to explore further. It's excruciating and everything everything I lead with I was like, yeah, I got this mustache. I live in a van. I don't really have a job. You're like George Casanda from Seinfeld when he does everything backwards. I don't have a job and I live with my parents. Yeah, my name is George. I'm unemployed and I live with my parents. And it works for him. My name is Dean. I live in a van, and yeah, my name is Dean. I'm unemployed

and I live with a van. By the way, I have a mustache. Would you want to go to Dave? I don't use soap? It was, well, are you soap? Now? Oh, so we we've done that using sl February. Ever since the shingles out break, Detor Deodore I put theodor unjust my lift arm pit today because I want a test to see how much smell you? Right? A good God, let's just move on. I just want to see it's an interesting experiment. March. So there was another report that came out just yesterday which I think a lot of

people were stunned by. Actually, before we get to that, you want to talk about how about the how's it smelling? I might need this third party opinion. Does anyone in the stream want to smell armpit? Read his hand very quickly. So I've been waiting for you to ask that for years. Wait wait, okay, before before we do this, I put the odor on one armpit. I'm not going to tell East which armpit I want to see if you can guess which arm pit? Alright, so Eastern, smell the left one.

Here we go, smell the left one. Left, that's that's there. Left arm alright, so okay, now smell the right one. Smell the right one. This is going like god fabric. All right, come to the microphone. Then what what what was your experience? You know, approaching from from far away, I thought I could smell it's obvious. It's not that clear when it is, So which armpit does Dean have a theodor or on he has on his left? It's my left. But but did you sense the hesitation and

his voice? Do they both reek or were they both like me? Like? No, they both smelled really good. Actually, you've been using can we not? Can I get around of a place for that? Please? And Eason obviously for putting his mise on the line. I have an armpit fetish. It was actually quite fun for me, So yes, the point is what was the point of that? Again, I don't remember I used the other, but only on one armpit.

And because your armpits you don't think smell, so you wanted to make sure that's just like I don't think my armpits smell bad enough to where I need to introduce a new chemical to them to make them smell better. The only the only time my armpits smell is when I'm sweating. Well, I don't swear. I'm not really much

of a sweater. We have this weird genetic disease. I don't sweat really, not really either, but I do smell like if I get in a hot like last night, I was at the backste Boys after party and I was like, I was gonna meet them. And then I smelled my arm pace and one smelled like I was wearing this one I was wearing a top that had a sleeve, and the other arm didn't have a sleeve, and I forgot to wear the it around on the arm that didn't have a sleeve, and that armpit smells

like cardboard, like we know, like wet cardboard. Oh good god, that's a bad smell. Right, Thankfully I didn't end up meeting them. But that's not a good thing. We're getting track here, sorry to Paradise. Listen, all right, we have to quite on purpose. I have a quick question. There was another article on the news that reported something about you in a particular person down in Paradise that you may or may not be dating right now. I don't

even know why I'm saying it. The headline says I'm not going to say her name, but says Bachelor Nations, Dean Angler and Blank are dating Mark. I can't say her name. I have been told to relate to you. Let's please not say her name. And I'm not sure if that's for legal reasons or why, but that's what I've been told, not by Dean. By the way, by people higher up the ladder than Dean because it's on the news. This is not a salacious good I understand

still celebrity gossip. They're not going to get the name from us. He loses, not the National Enquirer by any means. If you know what I have. I have a question for Dean, because he didn't answer me on Instagram. Did you go to Europe with a specific person? Yeah, I want a lot of my great friends. We did Greece for a couple of female a female friend. Not liberty to discuss any of this stuff, but I said I was in Europe for the Passion Net for weeks with a lot of great friends. I sailed on a boat

in Greece for a while. I went to Spain, I like through the Dolomites in Italy. And that's all I'm gonna say about I'm very interested why we can't say her name because there's an article on E News, People magazine and US Weekly. He's all saying it. I'm not gonna I'm not gonna tell you guys what you can and can't do. All I'm gonna say is whether you say this person's name or not. I'm going to give the same cryptic answer, and that is I can't discuss it.

Great cryptic answer. It was like, there was this weird I feel like someone's making a phone call. I think your phone's on or something like that, or someone maybe your computer is making noise. That's sorry. Um. The point is is that I think she's beautiful. I think you guys should just watch Bachelor in Paradise. You're gonna get to watch the mustache for a couple episodes. Maybe you want to see the mustache on a couple episodes. I

don't know. The teaser is the mustache? All right? I have to ask one thing before ago, because this was widely talked about for quite a while. Uh, you recently said months ago about bachelor relationships and how you think they're all there. But it's just we've talked about them many times. Yeah, now put them on the spot. But we can just have a conversation about it, because I think people would be mad if we didn't at least address it. So now you went back on the show,

So what changed your mind? What changed my mind to go back on the show. Well, obviously you went on Paradise for the experience and thinking I'll meet some people and we'll see what comes from it. But a couple months ago you said that all Batchelor relationships are fake, and you've kind of changed, you know, you've obviously it wasn't you. You didn't exactly mean it that way. Truth will, truth be told. I went on the show not looking

to be in a relationship with anyone. I'm not saying whether I am in a relationship now or I'm not. But I went on the show with zero intention to leave the show in a relationship. Does that degrade the integrity of the show, Probably a little bit. Now it doesn't. Then I'll tell you why. We'll continue with you, and then I'll tell you why. I think it's a good answer. And I went and with the attention of just you know,

like we all do. We go on the show, you gotta sit on the beach for a little bit, relax, have some drinks, hit me, some new people, hang out, whatever. I went on the show without without expecting to leave in a relationship, almost actually fighting it to leave in

a relationship. Um, there's there's a couple of people down there that I've been in relationships with in the past, and we've talked about it even before I went on the show, and I was like telling them, I was like, look, I have no intention of leaving in a relationship even before going on the show with anyone. Uh, because I know that I've said these things Batchel relationships are all fake blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. I put my foot in my mouth every chance I possibly get,

and I probably will do it many many more times. Um. And I think when I said that, I think, as we talked about just after it happened, that you know, that was coming off like a heated uh uh moment, and I learned some things I didn't like, and I was beside myself and I was upset, and I was venting, and I was being extreme and radical because of those things. So now, so yes, I don't think that all Bachelor relationships are fake. Uh. That does that answer your question? Yeah? Totally.

The whole reason I asked it was because I think a lot of people immediately assume that you have to go into these experiences, specifically the Bachelor experiences, with being in being like I am, I'm here only for a relationship and only for love. And I've always said that

that's ridiculous and naive and really dumb. And I think you're a great example of somebody now that it may or may not have come out that you're in a relationship um of someone going in and being like, I don't know, I'm going down and just being myself and whatever happens happens, and I'm not coming here just for love or anything like that, and then the life happens, and then you end up maybe finding someone and and

developing feelings for someone. And I feel like that's a good example not only for Bachelor, but just for life in general, because sometimes it's always when you're least expecting it is when you find something great. And I think that's a cool example of it. I will say that there this was probably my best season of Bachelor since the first one. Of all of them, actually love the four that I've been on, this is probably my favorite

for many many reasons. One because of that I went down the stairs this time Bachelor Paradise season six, my fourth time around, with the intention and understanding that like, I'm just gonna be me with this ridiculous mustache, talking about myself as I always do, and see what comes of it. If something comes of it, great I'm not expecting it. In fact, I almost prefer for nothing to come with it. Um, And so I think that you'll see that side of me. For the first time in

all four seasons. I stayed completely sober the entire time, which which is a challenging thing in those in that circumstance because you always you get bored a lot. All you want to do is drink. Your friends are all drinking, All you want to do is join them. Grant, And I wasn't down I'm not gonna say how long I was down there for, but I wasn't down there obviously as original cast, so I wasn't there the whole time. Um,

But I'm excited to watch it back. Like obviously, you always have your reservations and your concerns about how they're going to edit you and what they're gonna do to you. But for the first time, I'm finally like, I don't have to worry about being drunk and saying something stupid on camera because I didn't get drunk and say I still said stupid things on camera, but I didn't get drunk and say stupid things on camera. Concerns about like last how did you feel laugh time when you love

did you know you were screwed last time? When you okay? Yeah? Do you feel good this time? I feel better this time? Um? Good or bad? Obviously? Like like, I don't know if I'm in a relationship. After all of it, this is said and done. Well, apparently, People, magazine, US Weekly, and the news all know you are. So I've been authorized to ask you the question are you single? I think that you're just gonna have to watch this season of Bachelor in Paradise and decide for yourself. It's all said

and done. That's fair enough. Great tease. Well, speaking of great tease, we have a wonderful guest coming up, Tina Wilson, who is the founder of Wingman, a new dating app. It's revolutionizing the world, except for Canada because they don't have it up there, but they have it everywhere else. Um. So we'll be talking to Tina Wilson, but first let's take a little break. Hello everyone, and welcome back to

help I suck at dating up. Next on the phone, we have Tina Wilson, who is the founder of Wingman dating app. Tina, are you there? Hello, Yes, I am Hi. Thank you so much for joining us. How are you. I'm good. I'm good. How are you guys? We're doing We're doing well. This is Jared right, Hi, this has been saying just walk up. It sounded like she didn't spoil. It's early. It's early somewhere. So we just told the listeners out there that you are the founder of the

Wingman dating app. But do you want to tell everyone else a little bit more about it and how you came up with the idea. Yeah, I mean so, Wingman is an app where you are going to pass over control of your online dating experience. You're going to pass it over to those that know you bett, so your friends, your family, and these people are going to be your wingmen and wing women, and they're going to be navigating your dating journey. So they're going to be creating your profile,

telling us the good about ugly. They're going to be introducing you to whoever they beeing appropriate on the app, and so they're making the matches happen while you sit back and let them have control. That sounds terrifying. Wow, it depends who your wing man is, right, I guess it does. So I agree with that. It does sound a little terrifying. So tell us a little more about how you came up with the idea. Well, I was

I was in a long term relationship. I found myself single and everyone had gone online whilest I was coupled up, and I mean it was I went through all of the different apps and it was pretty bonkers, right, some of these experiences on there. There's a whole new vocabulary cat fishing and um, what's skitting and breadcrumbing, all these different things, And and for me, I just wanted a more kind of impactful way, something that was slightly more authentic.

And and so having someone described your profile I kind of legitimizes who you are, endorses your your personality, and and then having a lens of somebody else that's not you know, recently single. You come to these apps with different maybe a different ends that you you know that you've built up um since being single, and and sometimes I think having a friend who is objective and maybe providing you with options like this is who you should go with? What about this person? Have you? You know?

And making those those things which can sometimes happen in the world offline, right, And so that's something that I wanted to bring onto the platform so that it behaved as we do in the real world. So can your friend is your friend chatting with the person on the app? No, So so whatever you're from when you're if you invite your friend to write your profile, you have to approve what they've said about you, so they can't go too crazy.

You know, you have to approve it. And then what happens is when they are looking through the dating feed, when they see someone they think would be a good match, they are sending your profile. They do like my friend Vanessa, and that person is saying yes or no. Right, It's like, I think my my friend would be a good match for you. Is it a yes or no? Now, if

it's a no, you never know. If it's a yes, everyone's notified, like, hey, this person is interested in you and your friend made do a match, so you both have So both you and your quote unquote wingman have to have the app download in order to get matches. Absolutely, you have to approve what they said. Correct me if I'm wrong, But it sounds to me like the the the Wingman caters more towards the female audience, right because as a guy, yeah, you have your friends that like

vouch for you and stuff. Like that. But I feel like women typically are the ones that go to bat more for their other friends when it comes to dating, right, Like, my guy friends would never go to the length of creating a profile and talking me up to people digitally to then like set me up on a date with them. Well, that's what I said. It was terrifying earlier because I'm thinking of some of my friends who would describe me in my profile and it probably wouldn't be the most

flattering exactly. So that's why to me, at least, it sounds like the wingman. I'm sure obviously there are many many men that are wingman, but to me, it just sounds like the wingman typically would be a woman. But correct me if I'm wrong. No, you're absolutely right. So are female matchmakers are the ones that come on, but they bring their single guys on, right, So they bring

their brothers, their cousins, their male friends from college. So they generally are the ones who kind of elevate them and give them a bit of a push, almost like this is what you should be doing, Like, let me suggest this to you in almost like a big sister approach. But I has almost come on with a twisted arm but they're kind of, you know, into it. But so there are there are men wingmen. Absolutely. I read one just the other day which was a guy who said,

I'm putting my sister in law on here. She's been our third wheel for so long, Like I married us sister three years ago. Who knew I'd have to pay the check for both of them for this long? I thought by now she'd have found a boyfriend. Please. There has to be a guy out there to help her out. And it really rade me laugh because it's kind of something that someone might stay in the real world, and it came across like their whole band terous relationship came across.

Really a fun right, I love this idea. Yeah, I honestly think it's genius. It's funny because you always see these new dating apps come out with different iterations of each other, and I always often sit and wonder, like, what could be the next what could be a new angle that you could come at this with. And a lot of apps are so so similar, but this is this is the one that sounds like it's really uniquely

different than the other ones. It truly is, and it comes from a point of really being frustrated from my own experiences, right, and wanting to help people that are in my life, which is like, my mother is an amazing woman, right she would you know, she was a widow for many many years. Would she ever meet anyone?

Probably not? Right, But if I was to write her a profile and say, hey, you know, it's my stepdad out there, like look if we're a rich one to my mom, like making a joke, even if she wasn't going to do anything, it kind of just gave her a joke along the way, like let her elevate that maybe it could happen. So I think, because it really is.

We have people on the app from the ages of eighteen to seventy two, right, we have like a grandmother who wrote a profile for her grandson like he invited her to be part of his day in journey, and I'm like, I love that. Right, this guy is a really cool little like little dude. Yeah he still loves this man enough to let her write a profile, she must have probably made her days. She probably is talking about it to all of her friends and just almost

like connects them. And also you get there, you know, you get there for me. If there was any way to kind of really describe it if like sex in the City in a way, like you have a lot of gay guys writing profiles for their straight girlfriends and vice versa, and those are the conversations that I feel like I was seeing sex in the city, whereas you know, the gay guys like she's got a hot body under that ugly jumper, don't let it put you off. Like some of the profiles they write are so funny and

kind of on point. You really get an idea of the friendship group, of what you'd be walking into the date in this circle. So subconsciously, even though you're giving someone endorsement, you're also painting a picture of who that person hangs out with. They might be a little crazy, they might be a little boring, whatever it is, it's always done with the good intentions of helping that person, you know, elevate them to be, to find their best person.

But vicariously, I feel like the wing people they kind of get to know, they love being part of it, They get into it. Lots of these people are in relationships they probably missed out on the dating scene, and sometimes they're the best adversates, right because friends really do know you so well or family that and so for me, when my friends wrote me a profile, I sounded really

like excellent and amusing. But when I wrote my own profile, I was kind of so on the fence and be politically correct and not too self promotional and not to degress. I mean, it was tough to get a real authentic kind of view of myself aclass. So when my friends wrote it, they were really fun. It's funny because the same logic I think applies to a lot of people that go on the Bachelor to a lot of people will have their friends and I'm it then versus going

through the process themselves just because it's easier. I guess it relieves the pressure or maybe like the well, it's hard to describe yourself to be like yeah, I think I'm a nice person, you know. It's it's weird where your friend can be like, no, he's a nice guy. Vouching for him exactly shows that you're not like a crazy person. He's just some friends or family who's going

about you as well. I mean, if I had a grandma who was seventy two and made an account for me to help find a girlfriend, I would be still so yeah. On the flip side that if I was so, if I was looking to date someone and their grandmother was vouching for them, like, that's the that's the cutest damn thing I've ever seen. You first day would be church on Sunday. Rights, probably a crazy one. How long has that happen? Around? For almost two years? Right? So

we launched it in Vada. It's kind of eighteen months ago, really, um and that was an iOS and we launched it last year on Android. It's in the US and and the UK, and yeah, we're just seeing such interesting things happen. I love to see people really helping their you know, going the extra mile and helping them. And then when you see the validation and things happening, I do like a little secret, secret Horai behind the scenes. Yeah, it sounds like a digital way of your friends signing you

up for a blind date. Because my question is when your friend says no to someone you said that you don't get to see it. What if that? So? So what happens if you will wing man for Vanessa and you were like sending Vanessa's profile to whoever to say, ten other people and saying, you know, I think Vanessa big with Matthi when they say no. Vanessa never knows who you send yes the rejection. They never get rejection. You never get the rejection. Okay, so this is not

a it's not a public dating app. It's not where random people get to see random people. It's so if I'm Vanessa's wingman, the only way people see Vanessa's profile is if I send it to them. They can, but Vanessa will be shown in the feed also so they can approach her. Also see the testimony that you've written

about her. My main fear with this app is if if I was on it, right, Let's say I was begrudgingly looking for a relationship when one of my friends signed me up to be my wingman, my concern would be that my friends don't necessarily have my my type calibrated well enough, and they would be setting me up for dates that I wouldn't necessarily with people that I

wouldn't nessily be interested in. It's all depending on the wingman, right, Yeah, and and that's your choice, right, You seek the wing man goes rose and you're like, this is not for me. You just delete them off. People do do that you can get rid of. Yeah, You're like, he's a bad wing man, and you could and it's your choice where you have. The power still lays in your hand. It's just who you trust. I guess to be that person.

Can I have multiple wing men? Like, can I have five best friends that then get put in a group chat with someone that I'm interested in potentially? Well, you can have up to five people looking for you. And so many people do feel those slots, but they're always just the with it. But they're so spread out. But there's usually two family, two friends, maybe a coworker or something.

I mean, it's a real mix. Sounds fine. It sounds like as a wingman, you get to like be on a dating app without looking to data, you know what

I mean. Like that sounds kind of fun. I would be, and you're helping your friend at the same time, and it's like a perfect idea to um, Like if someone is reluctant, because I know so many people who are either getting divorced or who have been single for such a long time and they don't have the courage or the confidence, so I go on a dating app because they've never done it or they haven't dated anyone in a really long time, so this gives them like that push to date and I hope that they could go

on another day. But just to clarify, because I went on the I went on UM, I went to find the app. I'm in Canada. It doesn't it doesn't exist in Canada. It's not out there in Canada. But we all got to be launching their life in the year, but it's not there officially. No, okay, perfect, so later

this year I can hope up my friends and family. Yeah, and you know, to your point that you just said that people when they are not maybe confident enough to get on the fact is you know how right they are, right, you know what's winging about them, and you know they deserve the best. It's just like sometimes as humans we need a little push, and I think that's it's up to your wings men and wing women to kind of puss you out and do that advanced. I'd be more

on this app. If I was trying to find dates for Vanessa, then I would be on a date, trying to like find yourself. Yeah, find myself? Yea, like screw me? Who wants to da Vanessa? Yes, you might be a good wing that that would be really fun. If a lot of like to say, all of the Olive Hannah Bees rejects all jumped on Wingman and like for the second place finish, or they're like, all, we're gonna find

you someone on this app. Now it would be funny, that could be really um so you said it's on iOS and android, right, Yes it is, yes, and and then I didn't hear the answer to Vanessa's question. It's just in the US, but it's it's branching out as well, so in U s UK. And then we're going to be opening up in different countries and kind of be one of them pretty soon. Do you have any do

you have a social media presence? We all wing Man app, wing Man app, and we are really anything to do with crazy friends or animals is what you'll find on there, because everyone that's working on when Man seems to be obsessed by animals. Um, so there's always there's always those. But yeah, we kind of interact with with people that we are about dating, but we are also much so much more of like celebration of friendship, so we really do kind of push towards those other types of networks.

I think it's I think one of my favorite things about this too. And It's one thing that I've talked about in the past is I think it's so important for your significant other or perspective significant other to meet your friends early on, because your friends are the people that you hold closest and dearest to you, right and obviously you want their approval and you want your significantly to approve of them. And so what's great about this is it just kind of knocks all those pins over

right out of the gate, right. And also for the other person that like, let's say I'm dating you, I want to see, like what I vibe with his friends or how is he influenced by the group of friends that he's hanging out with. So it's a win win. Yeah, you just got to choose your friends out of the least delinquent out of all of them, which for me, don't let don't let them all the drunk or delinquency or anything like that. The good one, I don't know,

drunk could be fun. All right, Well, Tina, thank you so much for joining us. If you're listening and you want to give them to try, go download it. It's on iOS and android, um check him out on Instagram's at Wingman. I would assume Yeah, it's a Wingman underscore app. Okay, check them out, give it a download if you're looking to day, if you have a friend that's looking to day. It sounds like it's a fun thing. And then emails your stories because I think it'd be fun to share

similar stories on the podcast here as well. Um, thank you, luck moving Forwida, Thanks yeah, thanks for Tina, thank you, thanks, take care bye, guys. All right, well, let's talk about I love that idea. Can we just talk about how much I love that idea? Yeah, let's talk about do you have any friends that you'd want to sign up

for that? Oh my god. There's so many people that I know, like I said, that are either going through a divorce or have been single for a really long time, or just got out of got out of a long term relationship, and and they've tried the apps. And I mean I was on Riya and I didn't like. I went on Riot for maybe a month before my now boyfriend slid into my d MS on Instagram. I feel like Instagrams are great dating app. It is well for

for people that it is it is. I've I've heard that before that people use Instagram as a dating app. I think for people like us, it makes a little easier.

We have a little more exposure, I think, so it's like a little things are a little more accessible to us as a dating app solely for Instagram and also because of the show we curate, our Instagram is a little bit more so when we're trying to talk to someone on Instagram, I think we feel a little bit more confident because, well, there's a lot of people out there that they'll use Instagram, so they might have like

one picture posted and profile is not really updated. And you go on a dating show, people will reach out to and hopes that you would go on a date with them, and obviously our marriage proposals or things of

that nature. But I guess what's funny to Vanessa's point and the reason I asked that very first question I did with Tina was that I don't think I have a single friend I would sign up for wiman because all my as a guy, it's just like, none of my friends I think are of the caliber that the Wingman app would be looking for, like as a as a twenty year old guy that lives in l A formerly lived in l A. I don't think I have any friends that are looking to be in serious relationships,

so it would almost make me feel guilty to put them on man. But well, if you have like divorcees or like um as a woman, you're like, you want your friends to be in relationships, et cetera. But it just it seems like it's more catered or tailored towards a woman. As a wingman, yeah, well, you're the one vouching for them. You don't want to be the jerk vouching for your friend who ends up cheating on the girl that you put them on a date together. Nobody wants me that guy or a girl. Sounds like a a

cool idea, though it could be fun. We have some emails coming up. We got I got one I want to get in here before we go. That's from anonymous unmous good. Yeah, and it's it's juicy. My husband and I have been together for five years and we talked about having a threesome. My husband and his whole pilot crew got very drunk and my husband was left alone with one particular flight attendant. She came on to him. He said no, but asked if she would be interested

in the threesome. She said yes, so we called me and told me what happened. Then my stomach dropped. I said, no, I find it to be a bad idea. She's a coworker, and I feel really jealous and uncomfortable that she came on to you. I still want it, but I can't help a wonder if a threesome would ruin our marriage or not. Should a threesome be out of the question

at this point, so many feelings about want too. Yeah, she says at the beginning that we have talked about, and then she says at the end, I still want it. It's just this woman makes me really uncomfortable. Wait, how long have you been married? For five years to five years? I think the challenging thing about this anonymous situation is that it's a is that it's a coworker, and it's someone that this guy is gonna have to see on a regular basis, on a regular basis, especially with the

wife not around. Like that's reason enough I think to probably nix it with this person. But if you're interested enough with find someone else, a stranger that you're never gonna have to interact with again. That's my advice. I have you had a threesome? Jar yes, yes, yes, I've had three. I had a three C in college once when I was like night, it's nineteen okay, and that's all I'm gonna say about it. Well, you three, if you want to have a threeesome, there's nothing wrong with that.

Can we ask if it was two girls or one? I said, that's all i'm gonna say about it. Discussed before. I feel I've been open about it. The color of your sunglasses and it was not very red. Right now, there's two types of threesomes in this world that guys want to have, and I had the one that was less desirable than the one that most guys want to have. And if I remember, this was not a great experience for you, and it was a bad experience, but like you didn't feel you felt a little weird about it.

It was to salvage of friendship. There's a lot of layers here, and you had a threesome to your frownship. We all knew each other, we were all we were all friends. It was a very communal effort. So you guys weren't going to be friends anymore until one day, Hey, let's all have sex together to say ave the friendship. Yes, that's exactly the conversation. To me, we were really drunk, we were nineteen. There's a lot at work here that I don't feel comfortable talking about, but we can talk

about it whatever. I don't care. Well, I'm I'm kind of on Vanessa's page too, where yeah, threesome sounds awesome, but at the same time, when you're in love with someone, I think that creates a level of difficulty because then you're with that person and then you're trying to sleep with someone else while they're in the room with you, and it creates this awkwardness because you know, you were the episode of Entourage where Ian Sloan potentially want to

have a threesome with Sloan's best friend, and the rule was that the guy can only have sex with his wife, right, and then he could like the other girl and the girl the two girls can interact, but the guy can only have sex with his wife. Could he have could

he like make out with the other girl? Probably? But I think that there needs to be rules set if this is gonna be something you want to do, like set some rules, be like, hey, there's not gonna be any penetration between you and this other girl, like that seems to be the best route. And I stand by what I said earlier, where don't do it with someone that you work with, do it with if you want to do it with a stranger. But how do you ask a stranger if they want to freesome? Sure, there's

plenty of ways. I think you just ask a stranger. You just go up on the side streak. Excuse me, lady. I mean I have a really good friend who was dating someone for a long time and basically did that. They were at a party and and she said that they were both interested in and they found some girl that they were both attracted to the aster and she said yes, And I think that's a lot better than

doing it with someone you work with. I agree, because then it's, like you said, now, it's it creates an awkwardness because if the pilot sees this flight attendant and the wife isn't there is there like sexual chemistry now between the two of them when the wife's not there, as if I was the wife. But I feel super uncomfortable of that situation. And doesn't that open up doors to potentially like you have it once and then it's like, oh, let's have another threesome and then it's like a constant

chase for something more. I will be here. I think we should also speak directly to Anonymous and say that you should didn't want to do this solely because your husband wants to do it, right, like, you should definitely want to do on your own. And that seems to be like I'm sure that she's probably fighting herself, be like, oh, I want this because I want to make my husband happy, But do I actually want this for myself. I think that's a question that she needs to address with herself.

And there's other ways to spice up your sex life, Like, for example, if if Anonymous here doesn't feel comfortable about doing a threesome but she wants to do something for her husband to really spice up the sex life, there is other things that you can do besides having a threesome. Vanessa, I don't want to make this awkward for you, but I do see Nick post a lot on his stories about how he likes his significantly to wear wigs every once in a while. Is that a thing I'm just

making up now? I'm pretty sure I saw it on his Instagram. Vanessa. Do you own any way? No, I don't own any ways. It couldn't be a way to spice things up for this person or for anyone else out there. I don't know that's I think that's I think we Ade quickly answered it. I would say, no flight attendant idea. Just throw that one out the door

from us. I think a threesome in a committed relationship is the beginning of the end in my opinion, to be that's an unpopular opinion, but I think we'll bring up emotions that you don't anticipate, which actually you're kind of already feeling. And I think it's a bad idea. Yeah, yeah, don't cross that anyways. Al Right, email us when you meet a stranger and you have a threesome with them, not with this flight attendant, because that's gonna make things

messier than they probably already are. Anyways, that'll do it for this week's episode of Help I Suck at Dating? Big thank you to all of our guests. Tina Wilson, be sure to check out her app Wingman on iOS and Android, and also Sean and Megan. The big thank you to Sean Lorda's and Megan Thomas. Be sure to check out Marrying Millionaires. Wednesday, Nights ten PM on Lifetime. Big thank you too. That's it. Actually, thank you guys so much for joining us. Be sure to tune in

next week. Actually, we're all gonna be together for next week's episode and Tahoe, but we gotta talk about that. Oh my gosh. Okay, Well, Vanessa is gonna be in studio next year. Vanessa is gonna be in studio with her boyfriends, so you don't want to miss that episode. Be sure to tune in. We're gonna dive deep, deep into their love life. Thank you so much. Thank you so much for listening to this week's episode. Be sure to tune in then because maybe we'll suck a little

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