Opposites Attract with Eric Winter & Roselyn Sanchez

shoes today. I don't wear shoes ever. And when I do wear shoes, I don't wear socks. And when I don't wear socks, my feet get pretty stinky, and I my arm pits smell pretty. I just all around, top to bottom. I'm not the smell not the best smelling person. I hate feet. It's a good bad smell, though I think I've smelled you a lot as far as bad

smells go, it could be a lot work. It's it's like, oh, this is an attractive guy who just finished working out, Like that's the smell you remember and you were in the studio for this yared, But there was one day, There's like maybe a couple of days where I was like just putting the other on one armpit, and then at the end of the day, I was comparing which arm pits smelled better, and I remember this, he smelled both armpits and he could only just barely tell the

difference between which had been the proudest moments in my career and broadcasting. It was like a game show. I mean, we could get Bob Hope or what's this Bob Hope? Right? Yeah, No, not Bob Hope, but Bob Hope. It's um. Uh, all I can think about is happy Gilmore. You're gonna get it, Bobby. I don't know which Drew. We just need Drew Carry in studio to host the game show. Anyway. We can talk about Dean's bo all day. But we have two very special guests that are in studio right now that

we are very excited about. Uh. They're both actors, producers, parents, um loving husband and wife with a new I Heart Radio podcast coming out this month. In studio, we have Rosalind Sanchez and her husband Eric Winter. Thank you so much for having us, Thank you, thank you. Exciting of course, So how's how's life? I mean, I mean, everybody knows that you guys are, but kind of give a brief introduction. You guys been married for we suck a dating a year.

The question is do you sucking marriage? So we're doing fine. I think, I hope we're good talking about you know, we've been together for eleven years for and that's an accomplishment together fourteen years, eleven years in this business and two kids and two kids kids, one going on eight in January, one going will be two in November. The boy, the baby and girl. Congratulations, So what's life being married eleven years? Like just just like you said, what's life? Well,

I've been married for a month. For a month, I've been married for a little over a month. Ye, just put a ring on it and it's great. So it's good. That's great, amazing, it's great. It's the Evan flow. It's Eric loves to say. It's work. So it's like any job, work, work, work, work. Let me tell you something, what does work marriage? Or is it? Is it work being married to to me? No, it's not. Well, well it's always a little definitely a

lot of working. It takes work, It takes the time, and you know, it comes so easy when you're in the early stages and as you're a decade in, well you're in then you half to really, you know, keep it creative, keep it interesting, keep it fun. And what is that like for you guys, Because we've had married couples on the podcast before, but you two are like very much in the spotlight, right and so like as uh, incredibly attractive people and you're busy, I'm sure with your work.

Like what do you do to kind of keep it interesting for you guys a decade later? Well, I mean there's the it's the cliche of you know, got to have a date now you really do. You gotta keep it interesting with that we have I have something planned for her next next, next, yeah, said, after get done with work? What if? What if I'm booked cancer? Your plans? I was just gonna say, it's so funny hearing you know, husband and wife talk because you're planning the surprise. We

have to make sure that she's free. So it's like, all right, honey, next Wednesday night, just don't plan anything. Okay, it's a surprise, but I'm telling you that it's going to be a surprise. And also with having kids, and we were just talking about this, we need a vacation, like just the two of us, to go away, even just for four days. Well you know what happens, Like we can wait. We used to travel like crazy before

the kids, and now with kids and work is very difficult. Um, and we for months I've been telling him I need a little vacation. I just want to go away, even if it's like some migil dion. They're like Mexico, something quick, let's just do something. And then the um, what was it three weeks ago when we went to Vegas for twenty four hours. We leave the house right and the little babies with the nanny and they're saying goodbye, and within thirty seconds, I'm going, oh my god, we should

should have brought the kids. I was like, no, we're going to Vegas for a night, So do you want to escape for a little bit. But the second you escape, you're like, actually, I didn't want to do that. If you get on vacation, you're like, I wonder what the kids, what they're making about you guys? That's the important I want to know what this day it's gonna be like, I'm I'm excited for it. I'm not even be part of it at all. You're taking me to a rosal.

And you said something that we actually talked about on the podcast a couple of weeks ago, the difference between spending time with through significant other and spending quality time

with your significant other. And I'm sure that you guys can talk a little bit about this, the difference between those two things, because even in the early stages of marriage and being engaged, I find that my wife Ashley and I, we lived together, we do a lot of work together, um, and so we spend so much time together.

And then when I we were went on our honeymoon and it was just the two of us and there was no work or any distractions, I realized that we actually don't spend a lot of quality time together because when we had no distractions, there was a certain different connection that we had in that moment that we hadn't had in the months. Um. So do you relate to

that as well and with us? And I'm sure it happens to you guys, you know, because what we do for a living with an entertainment business, you know, and so much as about social media, and we're obsessed with the Instagram and this and that. So even when we're home and we put the kids to bed and then we have some time to connect, he gets so mad at me because I'm is the time that I have to go through Instagram. That she actually admitted it. By the way, I'm so glad she admitted that was huge.

That's like a therapy session that you actually came forward to that because I know about and I still do it that I'll just put the phone down for a minute. You have all day, like, let's hang out. Whatever we're gonna do, like watch I'm watching currently Game of Thrones, which I know is really weird, but I never watched it, so I'm binging it. I try to get her into it. You know what, Okay, I guess what, so um you will get give me because I'm on Instagram now he's

obsessed with Game of Thrones. You don't give me the time of day. At night, I go to bed and all he's doing your Instagram is his game of right. And then what's funny that you guys mentioned that because Kaylin and are very much the same way. I'm like borderline addicted to my phone. It's like whenever I'm hanging out with Kaylin. I'm like always scrolling through Instagram editing pictures, like just doing something, and she's always like, dude, just

like pay attention to me. Like I'm paying attention. I'm just like distracting, Yeah, listening to most of the things that you're saying. What I'll do did like to mess with her is let's say we're out somewhere and we're heard festival a few weeks ago, and let me get some pictures and not take the pictures that we're going to post, and then I she'll share me the share the pictures. They shared the pictures. I said, no, I'll give him to you later because I know as soon

as they shot. So she's like give me and I'm like, no, you can have them later. It's so interesting. I wonder, like what forty years ago, what that distraction would have been in place what we are distracted by now, which is Instagram, you know what I mean. But there hasn't

been something I don't know. I guess just TV when it first came out, because they always have those old television shows where it would be the guy sitting on the chair and watching TV, reading the paper exactly not paying attention to his wife and now in twenty nineteen, it's just on his phone. Um, so you guys have a podcast coming out we do? Is it a joint podcast between the two of you? Yeah, okay, amazing. It's called he said? He said? He said, which is um?

He said? She said ada? She said the hole is that Portuguese day as? Yeah? Yeah, okay, I love that. Maybe the title, she said, blending our diversity, a multi cultural relationship that we have and talking about you know, I'm I'm a cancer. She's an airy. Say what's your what's your nice? Okay, so you're like right in the middle. Yes, I'm like cost I'm almost Taurus. Both of my parents as were tough. Yeah, very tough, very tough cancer aries.

Is that like we're supposed to clash exactly? Okay, guys, we always claimed that we make it work because I can sort of calm nur, fire up my water to keep me you know, interesting, she said, keeping. Yeah, she says I'm a dud, which is completely okay. My wife calls me a dud all the time. There you go. Actually, so you know what, who's the home bother who wants to stay at all the time? I do that. This made me a dott is know what I want to do?

What is going on out of dott is a state of your m deep right dreamer already can't wait to listen to this dreamer. She says, I'm the dream He's a dream popper? Is that? Eric? I fantasize with buying some land in um All High at some point in my life because I want to rescue do What do you mean You're never gonna do that? Is that? Can I just dream? What if five five years I will buy some freaking lad and rescue some dogs. Dream she wants a horse really bad, and I will get a horse.

One day started dating, I was like, you'll get a horse at one point, so I take her out of date is early on I was like, this true true story. I take her to ride horse. That was my whole surprise. I would take it there right up the Hollywood birthday right end at like a dinner. You knew she loved horses. Yeah, it's gonna be great. As soon as we pull up she sees the horse, she goes, you bought me a horse? Like no, I didn't buy you a horse? Good God,

how cool? How amazing? It would have been. If this guy that you're dating for a couple of months gets your horse, that is a bollowr. Then taking care of this horse broke up a horse? Well you know what it was. It was a horse gave me so to my sadness, it wasn't a horse. So I was a dream popper for that dreams. At least now you know, it's better than buying a horse and then your dream being popped, right Like, at least you just gotta ride one rent one for a little bit and you're like, okay,

maybe we're going that's what it is. That's that was one of the earlier dates than you were saying, how did you guys meet when at a club? No, it wasn't a club. See, I love this because everybody has a different story. It was an event at a club, Okay, it was it was a venue. The venue wasn't a club, he keeps saying, as a club. Anyways, it was an event for Sony or I don't know, I don't even know. It was your pioneer speakers. It's like maximum maximum one

pioneer speaker or something like that. She was on the Hot one list and you love pioneer speaking speaker. And I was the VP area, of course, and he wasn't. I just got there. I was on my way. I just walked in. She's like a guarantee you. He was the part of how to how to ask you out? Because I walked into the VIP area because you're like, you're like a Mr. Congeniality and a talker, and you talk your way out of everything. So he convinced whoever the person in charge of letting people go in to

go up bounder a few men up there. I gotta admit that doesn't sound like a dud though, to talk his way into the v I P area. I'm I'm talking. I don't know if it was part of if you have an IUDEA. I'm just I just made that up. But he showed up and that was it. I basically just walked right up there and said, hey, you know, my name is Eric. Can I get you a drink? And she's like, I don't drink? Can I get you? Would you like anything or you parched at all? Well,

you can give me a pineapple juice. I'll be right back, And he did want a pineapple juice, and that's how it all started. With pineapple juice. It was actually was. I started with that and then h happened? Happened that week? Did you guys exchange numbers? No, I with I had a boyfriend, so I knew his intentions, and as a good girlfriend, I said, he asked for my numbers something. I said, listen, just you clear, Um, I have a boyfriend. And then he said, well, can I be attracted to

my friend? And I said, that's kind of ache. I look back and I'm like, yeah, but you're married. And then I said that's on you. And then he exchanged numbers with gamal right, And I was at the buddy and she had a friend there, and we all, like the friends, like the people that were there, just started hanging out with other girls and my friend. Um. Then she left, she went to she go shoot a movie for a few months, and I was in l A And and I just started. I was with her friend.

I was still single, going out and doing the club thing and my buddy and her friend. And three or four months later, she's in a different position and guess who calls me? Wait, so you called him? Can I explain nothing more? Let me explain. My friend that was with me at this party, Maryland was engaged her fans

passed away on a motorcycle accident. I'm in Puerto Rico shooting, and I'm talking to Marley and says, you know who's been really supportive and they're so nice that Mike wasn't Mike and Eric the guys that we met at so at that party, I'm going they've been amazing. Buh. Fast forward two. I'm back in Puerto Rico, like almost four months back in the l like four months later, and I'm driving and I asked my com my assistant at the time, I want to say thank you to that guy, Eric,

do you still have the number? And I called to say thank you? And then and and here we are because that thank you was super important to say. So on the phone who so who do you think? Asked who out first? He said you want to grab some launch at some point or something. And then assistant, which was so cheesy, with my friend Nina. So it's the three of you. Yeah, I'm like, oh, why did you

shot with a friend? This is ridiculous. But the real important takeaway from this is Eric is just a really nice guy and a good friend, and that's the reason that you were like, Okay, let's see, I promise I didn't think any my my. My reason for calling wasn't like, oh, I'm gonna try to that I want in the fact that he was supportive for your friend. You meet your friend too, that's a big thing. He was amazing. I don't know to this day he's he's an amazing man.

He's that kind of person right now, which is great. And I think that we've heard time and time again.

It didn't necessarily work. The origin wasn't this for you, guys, But since you shared that mutual friend, when you can have like friends vouching for someone that you might be interested in, that's like you're breaking your You're skipping like nine bases in that sense, you know, because then you're kind of seeing the true sides of them and how they are around the people that they care about, and

it's like super super important. Of course, Yeah, one of the most important thing you can find out about significant other is how they are around your friends. I always said I want to be with someone who my friends would want to hang out with even if I wasn't there, And so I knew I found the one when my friends were like, we'd rather hang out with your wife

than you. Alright, that's good. So Jared just got married last month, and uh, at the rehearsal dinner right before, like five minutes before, they were like, hey, Dean, Ben and Nick, you guys are all gonna give speeches real quick because we were all groomsmen, and I just wanted them to speak from the heart for the speeches. You're like,

we're you guys arena speeches. Ben. I don't know if you guys know Ben Higgins fantastic speech giver, Like he's just the most charismatic, like deliverer of all things in front of and Nick he's like an actor, you know, he's he's he's a smart person too. So he like cried during his speech. Are you trying to say that he was faking? I'm not saying he was speaking, but I'm not saying he can turn it on. And then I go up there after both of them just crushed it.

And the only thing I felt so bad because after I got down was like all I did was talking about actually the entire time, like Jared and I are better friends, but actually now we're friends. First, yeah, you guys had a closer relationship, and then once we started doing the podcast, we became good friend. But to your point that you just made, it's you want to be dating someone or married to someone that your friends want

to hang out with even if you're not there. So that's the point that I'm trying to make, because like I felt that, I thought it was really ironic that now that you and I are maybe better friends and Ashuley and I are the only person I talked about was actually because we were really good friends before you

and I ever were friends. And so that's how I think, in my opinion, you can tell when you're someone's like, you know, you want to spend the rest of life with them, when your friends want to be friends with them too, Yes, exactly. And for me, my personal experience with it too is whenever I like get a girlfriend or started dating someone who I always bring them around my best friends, and then after what they leave, I'm always like, what do you guys think of her? Like?

What's she cool? Do you like her? Yeah? But like you also need people that are honest because sometimes they're gonna be like, oh, yeah, she was great, she was great, and then you break up with her and then they're like, oh we hated her, we hate well, then why do you tell me you hate it? I know, but it's also hard. That's that's hard because as your friend, you also don't want to be the one to say, oh, I don't like that person, because then you say that

and then it calls in friction. Then they're like, well, you don't know them as good as I do, and you don't see what you see your friends. Yeah, there was a there's a little bit of my last girlfriend. I introduced her to like two of my best friends, and then after we left, they both texted me and they go, you're dating that girl? Like is that real? Like you're actually dating here? And I was like, what do you mean? Yes? But now I'm not sure anymore.

Dang it? What did she do? Okay, so you guys have this new podcast, he said, yes, So tell us what it's. What it's about. It's gonna encompass, We're gonna talk a lot about our life, relationships, pop culture. Here's the thing about this, though I don't necessarily like it might be competing with our podcast version. You guys are not allowed to talk about dating at all. On your body about it and if any of you suck at dating, you're about that first episode, we sing no, we won't,

we won't. Um, But yeah, I mean for fourteen years of dating, eleven years of marriage, two kids, and I'm sure you guys like lead incredibly interesting line like the work that you're in. It's yeah, it's it's crazy with both actors. UM. Like to give you a little example, UM, the show that I did before my last show, I was I relocated to Atlanta for four years and his show was in Vancouver, So I might did having a child and you are in two different countries, you know

what I mean? Like situations like that that you just go hard to do it and goes We don't know. It's a constant negotiation, you know, and it's hard. It's hard, but we make it work. You know, we make it work through communication. And we're just very different. We're talking

about before signs, which our personalities. We're truly we everybody says like we're opposite to track to the nth degree, But in a way those opposites really strengthen our relationship and bring out the better and each of us and kind of keep it fun and interesting. That's great. You. I know what I always think about the other day because me and my girlfriend are very different as well, similar to you, guys, I'm probably gonna do it. I'm gonna butcher this right. You know, how many times do

you start a story? You know, I was thinking about the other day, I think anyways, the whole the whole reason that you're gonna laugh at Mobe want to say this, The whole reason evolution works species is it's genetic diversity, right, And it's the fact that to uh, you're you're constantly building off of, like the differences in ore like genome, and so when you look at a relationship, sometimes relationships canna work so well because they're so different, and if

they're like if there's too many similarities in a relationship, it's similar to like genetics, where it's like that's why incest is really bad. It is because this genetic code is too similar. And so that's why differences in relationships like you guys, and like, in my opinion, me and Kalin can work so well is because you like build off of the differences you learn from her. She learns from you in ways that you, guys, would never have learned had you not been together in the first place.

And that's like an exciting thing and that's like something I'm still trying to figure out too. So it's good that I can kind of like look at you guys and be like, Okay, fourteen years two kids, that's like something for me to strive for. There, you know, you can just listen to our podcast. Yeah, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna listen. Here's the thing I'm not gonna listen, like he's stole from. If you're listening to this podcast, I encourage you to listen to there. It's coming out

in October. This this month's coming this month in October, which is the month that we're in right now. That was Vegas for you guys. Did you guys have fun it? I heart yeah time. Yes, we introduced um monster X. Okay do k pop is huge? Bts that bandy the original It was like the pioneers of the K pop thing. Okay, okay, I'm asking think there's this like little There's a show on Netflix called Unexplained. If you like these just random

bits of knowledge and thirty minute births. One of them is about k pop. It's about how it all started and just the rise of it and how they're like the Beatles. It's insane. You saw it with us, and there's you know, it's in't just there's seven, there's seven of them. It feels like a like a bunch, like a group. Like usually it's a lot, it's like four or five. It is seven kids. And they all look very similar, slightly different hair, slightly different dress, but everything's

how is this the word um? And how do you say that? I'm very andrugying as they all have a makeup, which is part of the thing, and very thin just can't tell sexually ambiguous part. I've seen that before. There's because a lot of people try to like emulate the K pop artists in those countries, like in Korea and

China or whatever. And I remember like watching some weird documentary about it, and how like he like went through these insane procedures to try to like look like one of his favorite K pop artists, and you look at him and you're exactly like you said, the androgynous is a great way to put it. But they're huge or so big. I did it a girl for a while who was Korean, and she was obsessed with like this one K pop band, and I like listen to some of their songs and they were catchy, I guess, but

they're like insanely popular. Mind they are the Beatles everywhere else. They're not huge in the States yet. I mean they're getting getting big. People like the kids were people the more the afternoon and the one of the hits is called who do You Love? And I said, just because what are going to say? We present them so I have a question who do you Love? On everybody went like I was, like, every being on stage is like, this might be the biggest reaction of the day. Yeah,

and that's the end we're in. Obviously, Monster Monster, ex interesting Monster. What about the night show? Were you guys excited? Yeah, presenting Alicia Keys and that's I mean, that's pretty cheesy star. Yeah. Ilusha Key is one of the best, and she's just been around. She's been around forever, right, Like she's kills it every single year. Yeah, she's awesome. She's a badass. So being able to intro her that's pretty awesome. That is pretty It was a good trip. Besides the podcast.

What else you guys working on? I've currently I'm on a show on ABC called The Rookie. So we are shooting episode seven and right now I'm exciting. It's my big sports fans that we're teaming up with. I guess I can see if I can say an NFL team is in the episode, so it's NFL players and it's it's gonna be fun. What fault team? What team you're for? I'm a Rams fan, Okay, you're probably pretty excited Patriots fan. No, I'm a Tom Brady fan. Oh, you've got great taste,

my friend. We have to dedicate a whole is it called an episode U one episode of a podcast, So we have to dedicate an episode to Tom Brady. That's if you do that, you need to invite me. Yeah. I might have a bigger man crush on Tom Brady than you, which is in love with Tom Brady. He's just amazing. I mean, six times super Bowl champion, beautiful

man marriages. You're a Patriots fan, right, Yeah? I was born and raised completely respect the Patriots and love everything about I mean, the system, the way they do it all is pretty perfect. Patriots fan. Or I gotta grew up in l A. So I've always been Rams raiders, like whoever was there at the time. Now we have the Rams and charges don't really count. That's kind of San Diego. Still in my mind, you go back say it's really weird. But uh yeah you can't tonight, Tom Brady,

nobody can. Okay anyway, sorry I stopped Brady. Um. I did a show called grund Hotel. Um. It's about representation. It's it's not a Latin show, but it's predominantly Latin, you know, and every network is it's always asking wait. This was the show that aired before Bachelor. I don't watch, but I watched a couple episodes that and I was like, Wow, I'm so hooked on this show. Who knows that I never watched TV as like, I gotta figure out what

happens next week. It's a juicy novella. And and yeah, so every network, their mandate is the one Latino content because they want to tapped into the into the demographic. And then here's a show that was a huge It's based on a format out of Netflix, out of Spain that is humongous. So even Gloria came to the States and says, listen, I wanted to the Anglo version. ABC

acquired it. It's done beautifully. The acting is phenomenal. People love but and still we don't know if we have a second season, so at this point, we don't know what the heck we have to do as the Latin Eggs community, you know what I mean, like, what do we do to win? What do we do if we're bringing you something that works and still you don't give it a chance? You know, it's pretty it's pretty efvident. We're going to keep our fingers crossed for you because

I really hope that gets piped up. I hope so I apologize because I get a little heating, like settled down. This is uh, we're mad, boys, I'm mad. We'll definitely bring the passion and the heat, not the dudness to the new podcast. Now it's he said, yes, I don't know. I I speak Spanish like Sword of Right and so when I you said, I heard like Asia di hoo or something like that, which was my mistake. But I want to get more flu in Spanish. Same he said

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I feel like I sound one like one of those late night hosts right there, like, hey, welcome to KM and twenty. I hope you're having You're having the grooviest night of your life. Some of you guys just driving out there late at night, all by yourself, get about love loss through some speed trapdown all. I can smell our Dean's feet. Legitimately, it's all I could think about right now. I'm sorry I didn't wear socks today. Now I'm wearing sandals and they don't smell the best, and

I've now self conscious about it. I just got a big old whiff of them. Anyway, we have another guest in studio that we're very very excited about. A lot of podcasts on my Heart Radio have been trying to get you as a guest, trying trying successfully, I know, for facts scrubbing in yes, exactly if you're listening to the Weeks and you listen to Scrubbing In, you should know how excited we are to have this guest on

our podcast because not only we all know Easton. Of course, Easton has been around since the beginning of not only Healthy Dating, not only Scrubbing In with Becca Tilly and Tanya rad not only Almost Famous with Ben and Ashy I, but also the Pratt Cast with Wells Adams and Stephanie Pratt, including Ja Cramer's what's that one called wine? This guy's all over the place. He's basically Easton is now getting stopped at Disneyland to be asked to be for pictures.

And then I'm not exaggerating that, not joking, No you're not. But behind every great man is an even greater woman. And we are honored to have Alison Alan, Easton's wife on the podcast. That's quite an introductions. All right, Allison, just give it to a straight What's Easton like in bed? No? I'm kidding, uh inappropriate? She's like, why am I here? What did I do? She says when we're in bed? I mean his willingness to Sniffin's armpits should give you and I just need to get this off my chest.

I'm glad. I'm not glad, but I'm actually jealous that you're married to this man, because if it wasn't you, I would be all over him. It's pretty great, he really is. It takes me ten years, but I'm glad that I decided to do. He like he slowly lets us into your guys love story, like over time sometimes like I'll chime in whenever we're sharing our stories, and every time it's the most adorable, most endearing thing ever. So I like, obviously he's in love with you, You're

in love with him. It's the It's it's a love story of a generation. You guys are just so in love. But also, you guys are just the most adorable couple I've ever seen in my entire life. You're so innocent and cute, and you guys go to Disneyland and cheesecake Factory and you guys, everybody says a couple of goals, right, Like a couple of goals? Kaylin and Dean or couple goals? No no no no no no no no. Easton and Alison Allen are a couple. Let me ask you this,

did you have an obsession? With Disney. Before Mary, I had a really wild twenties, like lots of sex, lots of drugs, and then I think I was just over it. Wait a minute, Wait a minute what. I was ready to retire from the party girl lifestyle. And then east realized I wanted a good guy. And the thing Eastern is a bad boy. He doesn't get enough ever being a bad lay because he is. He's got edge. He's got a dark side for tattoos, and the tattoos are

enough of the give away, the Red Barnes sponsorship. He's missed. What do you miss, Caramel, I'm the Carminal carn princess. He's got edge, He's a man of passion. When he wants something, he goes. I love that. So you had a wild twenties, Oh yeah, I was. Eastern didn't want to Dami. I was a bad girl. Right. Hold, And so let's let's backtrack here for a second, because you've told this story a little bit. How did you guys first meet and then when did you start dating? So

we met. I went to school at UCSC and Santa Cruz and that's where Easton grew up. So we met when we were like seventeen working in a movie theater together. Eastern was my boss and we were friends for a long time and then, um, I think about it was like nine years later. We both moved to l A within a month of each other. And then I always say it was like desert island syndrome. I didn't know anyone, so we started dating and then we got married. Did you guys talk like So he became friends at the

movie theater. By the way, what were your jobs? Well, I was a snacker attendant, and then it became the projection step up, thank you. I was the box office person. I would count the money the cue box office girl, You'd walk up and be like, I'm buying a ticket. But this is already a wrong com You're working the box office, you're collecting the money. Easton selling popcorn. But he's not even looking at the popcorn. Be All he could do is stare at you and think about how

he's going to marry that girl one day. Yeah, he's still like to tell me how much she would talk about my butt with my other coworker. I haven't been allowed on the money. I thought, let's actually not let her be on the podcat she's got a good butt, and it's great that you can admit that she does. All right, So you guys worked together and then became friendly. Did you stay friends over the course of the nine years before you move back to some of my best

friends for like a decade before we started dating. So I always thought he was great. I just never thought we would date because we were so different. So how was that for you, Eastern, Because did you have a crush on her the entire nine years or was you were always like kind of friend he was talking about her, but of course I talked a lot about a lot of but I talked about your butt often. Okay, so

it's like you obviously have a crush on me, you know. Um, Alison and I hung out so much and I really really liked her, but I had a really bad experience with like dating someone who is my friend, and I was so afraid of losing Allison in my life. And we we kind of we like hooked up one night and it it didn't go that well because of me. How long into the friendship was this That was like six months in and then it was like ten years happened. I don't want to I don't want to throw off track.

But sidebart real quick. What didn't go right? Well, sometimes a man is not up to you know. In my case, I had a migraine that Now, see here's the thing. I understand what you're saying, but the listeners might not

get what you're saying. Okay, uh spell it out for We hang out and there was we understood there was a there was an attraction there, and uh we started we started fooling around and I wasn't let's say, uh no, I've never been intoxicated, but we I had a migraine that night and I had a hard time making it happen, you know, and I was embarrassed to that. And did we ever get did the fireworks ever happened? Or was it one of those things where no, I mean we

we hadn't. We spent the night together and it was a nice night. And then here's the thing. This will tell you exactly what you hear. This was uh I um was I was trying to like. I wanted to text her next saying and be like, hey, I'm really sorry about last night and I really like you, but I didn't because I'm a coward. Allison texted me and said something in the effect of like, hey, I had fun last night, we should do it again. I had a teamable sidekick back then, and I would not get

text messages all the time from different carriers. I never got that message from I texted. You just never respond How did we know that it was texted? She told me years later. Years later, years later, I was like, Okay, is that into. We'll just pretend like it didn't happen for the next tenure. And I just want to be clear about something. Is I'm sure Jared contested this too. As men, sometimes things just don't really go how you want them to go, especially like when you step up

to the plate. Sometimes you might have grabbed the wrong bat and you're just not ready to swing at a pitch, yeah, or sometimes you just whiff right. I'm just I just I want to make sure it's clear that that's not an uncommon thing, you know, exactly. There's nothing wrong. There's nothing wrong with Yeah. There's so much excitement and build up, and it's also being self aware that it's not working and you become embarrassed and then your mind then it's

never gonna happen, you know. It's one of those things overthink Yeah, if I had just been like upfront about it like a man would have, then we probably we might start dating a lot earlier. And you know, we know what happened. You know, it thinks we're going great since then. But so, you guys both had mutual feelings for each other. But because he never received that text message, it took nine years. Years. I had a lot of

growing up to do in that time too. I like to think if that's when like Bruce Wayne left Gotham to go like train with you know, becoming Yeah, exactly, and then I was able to come back and be like a real partner because Alson is the most incredible inventor in my life. And she did not deserve I did not deserve her that she needed Batman, she really did, but all she had was Bruce Wayne, this millionaire playboy.

But no, I think that even though that it was, it was a really long gap where we weren't romantically together, I think it kind of needed to happen. That's what I was gonna say. It's almost better that you could build a foundation of friendship over the course of that amount of time, Like that's almost what you drink, Like Jared actually too it like a lesser extend is very similar.

He was best friends with actually for three years, obviously not quite as long as you guys, but then you ended up marrying her, So it's like you guys are basically did the same thing. Yeah, very similar, right, And we're both children of divorce. I think we both have

trust issues. So I think having that strong foundation of a friendship that made it i mean less likely to cut and run early into a relationship is a really interesting point because it's like, you know that he's been around for so long that he's not going to go anywhere, right, seeing me through everything, my worst time. So I don't know, I think that really I don't. There's no one else

I would have married. I can't imagine. So let me ask you this then, because you said that you had this bad experience where you dated a friend and it went poorly. So when you and her started dating, like just like casually dating or whatever nine years later, where you still like scared or hesitant, oh yeah, yeah, it was um but I uh and and actually we started we started like you know, fooling around and like we're hanging out all the time in Los Angeles, Like were

we didn't know anyone else. We're hanging out all the time, and like it was the type of thing where like I would get off work and call it and just sit in my parking garage and just call and talk on the phone until my phone died, and then I'd go upstairs and go to bed. And uh. Then at a certain point Alison was like, Okay, we are we going to date or what? So I guess I'm a

little confused. I just want to know before we started going into the dating in l A the nine years, did you guys not see each other enough to have the realization that you did it in Los Angeles? Or you saw each other constantly. All of my boyfriends hated Easton.

They were always really jealously. Yeah, totally and actually and we're also like there's times where those guys there were times where like I was single and I was like, maybe maybe this is the time and make my move, But Alison had were never single at the same time, like the timelines, so you know, I just had to wait out. How the hell did you guys stay friends

for so long? Really, I mean to be together. I mean, I'm not gonna say you're wrong, because it sounds like you might be right, but I will say, like, no offense to Easton, but I think that you might have been dating a little more than east and was during the nine years, right, I think I've lived like a little bit more worldly life than eat which is fine and it's totally fine, but you know, it's I would think that Eastern have a lot less upset girlfriends for

having a best friend who is you than your boyfriends that were upset. What was your longest relationship in those nine years? I think about three years. It wasn't a

health relationships. I can't believe that guy was like, you can't have these in your life because I know for a fact that if Ashley and I had we not been together right now, I don't think we'd be friends really because once she started dating someone seriously, that was the first time either one of us started really dating someone else, and it would not have worked because even like right in the beginning, it was just awkward and like he didn't want to meet me, and at the

time he didn't know this, but I didn't want to meet him, and I'm you know, like, yeah, well of course, you know, why why wouldn't he ask? I would have asked been like, so, what's like, what's up with this? Do you think there's ever a point in that relationship where he was like I don't want to be friends of Jared. No, because I don't think I ever got that far because it was only a month and a half.

But for you guys, like a three year relationship, I'm surprised the guy wasn't like listen, like that guy is clearly in love with you. You can't be that good friends with him because it's causing awkwardness for us. Oh no, he definitely we had that conversation. Like he said, he likes comic books. He's like so lame. I would never date him, don't worry about him. So I mean, I don't know. I wasn't trying to be sneaky or you. But no, I don't mean that. I don't mean is

a threat. Even though I did have those feelings, I just thought, what's funny is now you're kind of a nerd too. I know he's like ruined me, like all my coolness fines are. I used to be so cool and I'm so lame now. Alson, I lived in San Crease, California, very hip place, and she was I called her a Queen of the hips. Was some queen guys like this

is not She got to always like cool party. She was always like underground shows and stuff, and and then we started hanging out down here and now she's excited to go to medieval times in Disneyland. People think about you. That's also don't understand, is like they try to be cool, but they don't realize how fun being a nerd is. You know, it's sound of good about like being a nerd. But Eastern is just so him self and he doesn't care what people think, and that's such an attractive quality

that not many people have. Like anyone I've ever met, Eastern as just just doesn't care what other people care about him. So um, I don't know. I love that about him, and I wish I was more like that. And even though I might not be as cool as any once as I have more funds, I think you're I think you're cooler now I think nine years ago or anything like that, But I should imagine you being

any cooler. And I think there's something to be said about like obviously having interests in things, whether they're cool or not cool in mainstream society like it's so cool to like like things, and I think that's kind of

something that comes with age. It's like when I was a kid, I was really embarrassed to like say that I played video games to my friends when reality, it's like I just liked video games a lot, and so I shouldn't have been embarrassed by that, but I was because it wasn't like the cool thing to like like kids like sports and stuff like that, and I was embarrassed to admit I was into boy bands. Now I'm

posting videos of me just belting out back stream. I think too, as you get older, you care, you care less what people think. And also just it becomes more important about whoever it's with you when bad things happen, who's still around, Because you know, those friends you have in your twenties, they're there a party, are not going to be around when something bad happened to you. And I think that's a life lesson. Everybody learns what Easton

has always been there through everything that's happened. And it's been two years years wait years, okay, okay, gotcha, So let me ask you this. Our children on the horizon, No,

I don't think so just our dog. I think, Okay, well I do want We didn't finish the story about when you guys moved into l A because I just wanted to know that one little fact about the nine years of friendship, because I knew that Ashley and I encounter that problem and I was curious that if you had a warring relationship, if you guys ever did so now move back to l A. You guys are hanging out all the time, and you start, you know, having a little yea yeah. And then and then came to

talk like okay, what's going on here? Yeah? I mean, because Alison was like, hey, are we gonna are we gonna date? What's going on? Are we going to date or what? I didn't want to just waste time because I was getting older and I didn't want to be like, Okay, I'm gonna waste time on another three year relationship that's not going to go anywhere and maybe we're just better off as friends, so what's the deal. But we decided like, oh well we'll try it, We'll start dating, and then

I mean, it worked out. It was I don't I never thought I would get married. That was never a priority for me and I didn't think it was going to be Easton, but I'm so happy. It was just it surprises me. I didn't want to get married, like I always told people, like my parents got divorced, and it screwed me up, like I don't want to do that to somebody. And but then I met, Like when Allison and I started spending that kind of intimate time together,

I started realizing, like, oh, it's really about the right person. Well, I was gonna ask you about that because you said both of your both of your parents got divorced, right, So how do you even approach the topic of marriage when both when you don't really have a relationship to look up to. When typically what you see is like someone has a great family and they want to remulate that. But in your case, like you don't want to emulate the relationship with your parents had, right, So how did

you even approach that topic. I don't mean we want to do everything differently, right, We're just I mean to be honest. I know everybody always says, oh, getting engaged was the most exciting. I was terrified. I called my best friend crying. I was like, I'm feeling these feelings that I can't even put into words because I am so scared that this won't work, and I feel like that's not a normal reaction when you get engaged. But I mean, I didn't know I was so nervous. People

always ask me, how do you know? How are you certain? And I wasn't. I mean so glad I am, but I just feel like you never a dent sure with anybody. So I agree, and I think, oh, absolutely not that I was so terrified about being engaged. But I think when Ashley and I were fers dating, I still have those feelings of Okay, you're never sure, and that's terrifying. And I think a lot of people in today's age you use it as an excuse to a certain extent, uh to say like, well, I'm not sure, so if

I'm not, then we shouldn't be in a relationship. When actuality, I don't think there's ever going to be a time in your life when you think, oh, I'm a gonna know that this is going to work out for the rest of my life and no thing's gonna change. That's

when I came to the conclusion too as well. But I think people don't want to talk about oh, I was really scared of making this commitment, and you just talk about the good parts getting married and how fun and exciting it is, and then I think it's not realistic.

It's that's unrealistic expectations for people. I agree. I agree, And so I think for at least like talking personally, for me, it was more so about choosing Ashley every day and making sure that I was diving head first into the relationship, because I think I came to a point where I realized, unless I do that, unless I actively tell myself I'm all in this, I'm all in and putting everything I have into this relationship, that's when

like things changed for me. Uh, because before then it was always like, wow, I just you know, could it work? Could it not work? I don't want to ruin the friend chip. You know, there's so many things that were alike. You know, there's so many aspects of our our life were so similar, but there are other aspects that were so different and would it work out? And I remember my dad one time told me, he's like, listen, if

two people want to be together, they'll lead together. And we've even said we've even said, um, you know, if we could get we get divorced, it doesn't work, it would still be friends. We're talking about this a lot. Actually hopefully that doesn't No, no, and I don't see it happening, But I do have confidence that like even if this, even if like the that's the one in fourteen million futures where it doesn't work out, we would

we'd still be friends. Force is a very specific number, buttons a million, six five to be exacting always looked into the future makes me that Black Mirror episode where they run through the simulations, So how many do we win? Uh, it's a marvel marvel cool, you wouldn't get it kind of goes without saying that your parents divorces didn't end amicably, Like they weren't able to kind of maintain a friendship afterwards, not at all. Right, Yeah, I know it's it's a

it's annoying to say the least. Yeah. Well, so we talked about that a little bit on Wells' podcast with with Me, Jared and Derek a couple of weeks ago, and about how much your like upbringing, childhood and your family or name it has kind of influenced the way that you see things now. And what's funny is listen to Allison speaks, she's like super scared and hesitant of jumping into a relationship that her parents had, Like she doesn't want to go through that same like pain that

she felt as a kid. And you obviously were super in love with this girl forever and you knew from it pretty early on, like you wanted to marry. It's just so interesting to me that it can go either way, like, because it really can. It can go like my parents had a bad relationship, so I'm not gonna have a relationship with them, or my parents had a bad relationship, so I'm going to do my best to make sure

it's the opposite of that. Um, I don't know. It's just a really interesting thing that I don't think that many of us take into account. And you can always say like, oh, I'm this, I'm the way that I am because this happened to me as a kid. But it's like we can ever absolutely no, you know what I mean exactly, I don't know, And you know, bad stuff is gonna happen to everybody, and it's just it's just a matter of what you do with what happens to you, you know, how do you use that to

shape yourself asn't going into an adult? How you use that shape your relationships? I think it's all about perspective. Okay, Alison, can I ask you this? What's the day to day like? Married to Eastern Allen? He sends a really good roommate. He doesn't do a lot of chores around the house, but he will do them if I ask, and he's I don't know, he's always got a good attitude. We're innovating a hundred and fifteen year old house and there's just always something to be done, and he's willing to

jump in and help the most of the time. That's all you really ask. Yeah effort. I mean that loves you unconditionally and is willing to jump in and offers remembers there I'll help, Alison. We'll thank you so much for joining us. We're so wonted to have you as guest on a podcast killing It. Yes, yeah, we high five. We know you can't say that, but we felt really good about this one. Um. Well, okay, well we'll talk

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third guest. No we're not, Yes we are. Oh my god, I mean no, Well we should dedicate a whole podcast, but I've told Okay, so there for the listeners out there, Jared and East and are referencing my beautiful girlfriend just walking into the room, Blaine, why Kalin, beautiful Caalin over here can't just come down, sit down talking to a mic for a few minutes, Because let me ask you this, what do you expect her to do sit down and in a conversation? And what do I like to do?

I like to live up to the things that are not expected of me. What did you say, low expectations, under promise over deliver? About that quote that actually kind of spiraled them to this big thing on Bachelor in Paradise this year, There were so many like memes made

about me for saying under promise over deliver. I still have a really good standing relationship with my former employer, and I was like texting him one day and he like sent me that gift where it goes, what's me like smiling, like under promise, over deliver and he goes, you know, I told you this in your interview and

now you're coining it as your own phrase. And I was like, I honestly, I honestly had no idea that you told me that, Like, I just it was something that's kind of yeah, but everything that we say has been something that has been repeated to us, I know. But it's just funny for someone to call me out and be like, you know that I said this, and like you're taking credit for the thing that I said, and like he's like joking obviously, Like he's like, we're

like not best friends, but we're good friends. And he was just like he just thought it was really in my interview for the company. He goes, you know, I told you this, like as a company, what we do is under promise and over deliver. That's a good I don't know that is that a good company motto? Under promise, over deliver, over deliver parts great. The second half of it's great. I think if you can manage people's expectations and then shatter them through the roof what's wrong with that?

I don't know, But what if we like promoted this podcast. I guess we kind of do. We're very self deprecating, being like, hey, listen, it's we sound like sometimes we're idiots, but you should listen to it and then hopefully they like it. Have you do you listen to podcasts? Other podcasts?

I listened to Boston Sports Radio and the Sports Hub is a big radio station in Boston, and I listened to Zolac and Bertrand which is ten to two, and then Felgar Masses, the show that I listened to so much so that Ashley listens to it with me all the time, and she she knows Felgar Mass now not personally, but just like their their personalities, they're dynamics. So that's one I listened to most. I also listened to The Rewatchables a lot with Bill Simmons, So I like listen

to Bill Simmons one with Malcolm Gladwell. Actually on my way to to Vegas a couple weeks ago, and it's good Bill Simmons. He's got a great voice for radio, great voice I'm gonna I'm gonna try to start being more like Bill Simmons on air. Do you he like takes pauses? There's a okay, so my like that and it's great almost build the acciation of what's going to be said next. My roommate, who actually was a guest on this podcast, Once upon a Time, Jackson, is one

of my best friends. I can't remember. I was like making a presentation somewhere and he tells me that he took He like does voice overacting sometimes and he's like, gonna he's like does radio sometimes and he goes Dean before you go do this presentation. I just want to remind you there's power in the pause, because if you pause, people like are like, what's he gonna say? What's he gonna say? Oh, he said it. I call it a pregnant pause. Pregnant pause, okay, because then you give him

birth to an idea. I like that. Do you listen to podcast I listened to a lot of podcasts, which my favorite one is called The dough Boys, and they review fast food restaurants. Okay, it's really funny. Um it's with some comedians. One of the guys was on that show. Love on Netflix. Um and I also listened to a show called podcast The Ride. It's about theme parks that my comedians are super funny. What is it about you

and theme parks? Um as we talked about earlier. I'm a excuse me, I'm a I'm a child of divorce. I like consistency, I like knowing. I like escapism, I like uh, I like no one what's coming, and I like attention to detail and theme parks give me att of that. I like to go to Disneyland. I feel like I'm in another world. It's always uh, it's always, it's reliable, it's always there for me. Micky, He's always

there waving at me, warm hug um. It's like one of the deepest things I think that's ever been said on this podcast about Disneyland. Absolutely, I love it. I've I've loved Zand since I was a little kid. And I know a lot of adults, especially adult men, the Disney under weirdos. But I I I love it. I go all the time. So you're preaching on the choir. I love it. Yeah, It's it's great. I don't go,

you go, I feel like you go oh most weekly. Yeah, your self awareness on the whole thing is really impressive. It's actually quite impressive. You've put a lot of thought into that. I I have. I I did some I've done some personal work to try and try and open up like why I was so into it. I guess the root of my question for asking you guys, if you listen to podcasts, is do you take things from other podcasts that you try to incorporate it into this one? Yeah?

Like what like I just said the way Bill Simmons pauses, but I don't do a good job of that. Be well the problem, Yeah, I just I want everybody to hear my opio. But I also think it's difficult within our podcast because we have three hosts a producer Easton who we want chiming in. I don't want you to ever think otherwise, but if you posithing with markone's gonna jump in. Exactly. It's hard because on our podcast, when we pause, it almost sounds like we don't have anything

to say, which is not the case. But it's you know, like if it was just like to like I was sitting on a couch talking, I think there'd be a difference to that. It's easier for Simmons to do because it's just him and another exactly. And let's be honest, Bill has been doing this for years, like decades. Is not new to the game. Look imagine us. If you imagine Help I Suck a Dating? And it's two thousandth episode, we're gonna be pretty good at podcast. I'm just gonna

throw this out there. I don't think it's crazy to think that we could get Bill Simmons on this podcast. Bill Simmons, if you're listening, let's say this right now. If you're listening to this podcast, thank you so much for listening to this podcast. Tweet Bill SA and say Bill Simmons, are you dating? Is he married? He's married? He's married, but I would love to get his perspective

on relationships. Tweet Tweet Bill Simmons. If you're listening to this podcast, you have a cell phone in front of you, just tweet Bill Simmons and be like, Hey, Bill Simmons, have you ever heard of Help I Stuck at Dating? Would you like to be a guest? They want you, they respect you, they like you. We would love to speak with you on this podcast. I went to one of his book signings once he wrote the Book of Basketball. And I went to the signing and I brought with

me Miley Cyrus's autobiography. I wanted him to sign that instead of his book. The only thing that I would ever expect from me. Her book is called Miles to Go. She wrote it when she was fifteen. I thought it was funny that a fifteen year old had written an autobiography. But you know, she's done a lot in her life. So I asked the guy, I'm like, hey, like Bill to sign this book instead. And the security goes like,

he'll probably think that's funny. And he opens up and he's like, you know, you know, Miley was in front of me at you class ones and she was like doing this whole thing. She like stretched out and she like fired in for everybody. So funny. And I was also great Bill Simmons, like the greatest of all time. But I yeah, I got all excited. He signed, he signed, he signed my a go Miley, Bill Simmons, And uh, that's my sy. He's the best. He should come on

this podcast. Absolutely, I'll be honest. I don't know what we talk about in terms of dating, but I respect him. He's been a long time he's a he's a Boston guy, like I bet he's got so many stories about past relationship or friends of his that have done just stupid stuff. He's that guy. He's kind of similar to you. I feel like where he's just got stories like Dean, you could I was talking to Derek about this last night.

I feel like there there could be just a Dean podcast where it's you just telling stories like you on Wells podcast, where you were just like, yeah, I gotta I got arrested. Oh and then I forgot to tell you I also got tasted, and then I was when the orange jumped suit and then my my car crash and then we all flipped over, and then I had a warrnt out for my arrest. And it was like, if you haven't listened to that prat cast from a couple of weeks back, oh man, it's called I haven't

even scratched the surface of the story. That's why I know you haven't, which is why you just need a pod. You just be like, Hey, story time with Dean. Here we go. I've Yeah. The thing about that is a lot of the stuff is like pretty incriminating. I mean, there's a statue limitations on certain things, right, well, and you've already been prosecuted for him. It's like you're telling a story, so like how much legitimacy is in a story?

Like you can arrest someone for telling a story that ever hurt someone or I've stolen many many things in my life, but I never like there's never been like grand larceny or whatever you're taking a life or anything. Right next week on help, I suck at dating. But but I don't know all your stories that you've told. You've already got in trouble for No, But there's a lot of stuff. There's a lot of don't tell those stories. Yeah,

but no, that's that's what I'm saying. Like I'm slowly getting more comfortable sharing those stories, even my wonderful girlfriend Kalin. There's a very specific story that I just recently began opening up about two a lot of my friends, um that I've actually considered sharing on this podcast many times.

But it's like a very personal and intimate story. But it really has shaped me in so many more ways than I could ever imagine, Like it was so influential to my childhood that the fact that I can't tell that story or haven't told the story yet. It's like I am disappointed in myself because I feel like it was very influential on me as a kid, not only as a toddler, but also like all the way through my adolescens through middle school through high school. And I've

like considered it so many times. I'm like, I should just tell the story. I just put it out there and I should just let people accept me or not accept me for what it is. But I haven't because I'm scared, and I think I'm working towards like building

it the confidence, like say everything, you know. I would definitely tell it to a few people off air, tested out, you know, like a stand up comedian, Right they go out, they test and jokes somethings like something, and I'll tell you this I, like I said, I just started opening up about it, and I probably told like ten people. Um, I've told Kalin, I've told nine and my other closest friends and every single time, and they're always like, dude, why would you be scared to tell that story? Like

it's not even bad, but also it's it's hard. I'm slowly opening up about it, and so eventually, like when I can open up about that story that I can open up about every other story that I've ever like it's been scared to share, you know what I mean.

Do you find that you have a good memory? Um? No, really sooner called details very well, That's what might because I try to think of stories in my own life, and there's so many things that I forget about the story, or there are stories that I completely forget about that I revisit or someone reminds me of and I think about how much that impacted my life and how did I ever forget that. Sometimes feel like you you just have stories that you're like, yeah, this happened, and that happened,

that that that that that. I think I remember significant events pretty well. But I'll listen back to this podcast just because like I want to, like I want to critique myself and be like what am I doing right? What am I doing wrong? And sometimes I'll listen to a story that I'm telling and I'll be like, well, dude, you left out a pretty major detail that was would have been a hilarious or like be pretty instrumental and

like the storytelling aspect. So I think I have a good memory on significant events, But when I'm telling a story, I can kind of go off on tangents and like forget to share parts of the story that I really was excited to share. Um, So yeah, I don't know. I think that, yeah, that's that's kind of that situation. But one day I am going to have the confidence to share my my story. Huh? Is it a good story? Klin,

there's a calm and I have a name for this story. Yeah, the story exactly the track you got Gna Rhea from a tractor and you call that the tracktor story. Calin thumbs up or thumbs down to whether you think Dean should share it on the podcast, Calin's giving a thumbs up. I'm not saying we should do it now, but Calin giving her sign of approval someone that really cares for you and wants to protect you, makes me think that

it would be okay to share. I think it would be comfortable sharing the story at some point if it was just me in a room sharing this story. I don't want there to be any banter back and forth. I want to be able to just say the things that I want to say without anyone having to do that, without everyone having like comfort me or be like, hey, seeing it's okay, Like it's fine, feel free to continue

to share. I want to be able to like control the storytelling ability of it all, and like not be interrupted and not have to deal with empathy, like, oh, don't give me your empathy. I don't want that, you know what I mean? But one day, why don't? Yeah, I guess we just don't like empathy. I don't like feeling. It's actually funny that we that you bring that up

because a speak off another sidebar. One of the reasons that I never talked about my mom dying was because I hated people feeling bad for me, and so before I went to The Bachelor, I never told my best friends never knew that I had a dead mom, you know what I mean. And then when I started talking about it, obviously they began to find out about it.

But like one of the things, I just hated that people would treat me differently for some experience that happened to me a decade plus ago, you know what I mean. And this this story has no bearing on me and as an adult, this one that I was referring to earlier, has no bearing on me as an adult, but it was very instrumental in shaping me as a kid, and it's it's one of those things where like I shouldn't be ashamed to share it, but like you know, we'll

get there eventually, we'll get there, baby steps. Well, thank you so much for tuning into an episode of Help I Second Dating. Thank you so much to Rosalind Sanchez and Eric Winter. Be sure to check out their all new I Heart Radio podcast. What's the name? He knows? What's the name or what? He said? He says, it's well, it's supposed to be like a play on he said, She said, and it's He said, you got it? Daani? Yep? Name is he said? Dan? He said? He said, ah uh?

And that is a new I Heart Radio podcast you can check out wherever you get your podcast. A big, big, big thank you to our very special guest, the guests that everybody at I Heart wanted to get and we got her school and help I Suck at Dating. Fist pumped to that one. The wonderful, the beautiful Allison, I almost said, Allison Easton, Allison Allen Easton, Allen's wife who you guys all know east and our producer, Um Dean. I can't thank you enough. As always, I love doing

this with you, man, I love it. Every week just gets better and better. I know we should go an entire episode one time, holding hands and see if we could do it. Haven't we already done that? Not the entire episode, just my dreams. I guess I want to be a part of that right anyway. Thank you so much for listening, and tune in next week, where hopefully we'll all suck a little less. Follow help by Suck at Dating with Dean, Vanessa and Jared on I Heart Radio or wherever you listen to podcast