Not Your Average Joe with Annaliese Puccini

on Fox. It is Kurt sours Kurt. And first of all, that I said your last name right? Did the first time in the history of this podcast. I swear to got on so baddle last names. It's embarrassing. Uh, Kurt, how are you doing? Buddy? Welcome to the podcast. I'm great man, happy to be here. Thanks for having me so. Uh you said that you had a long day at work. You are a CEO in construction. Uh. So, first of all, tell us how how did you get on Joe mill Millionaire?

M Uh it was completely random and last minute, so it's funny. To Actually, Steve and I talked about this yesterday. I'll speak for Steven since he's not here to talk all things Joe Millionaire. But so they found him about a year before filming. He was the first guy they interviewed. Um, he was the obviously really rich one. I was the last man they interviewed, literally the very last. Um. They found me, uh, four or five weeks before filming started. Yeah, they slid my d M s and I didn't have

any social media presence at all. I think I had about followers on Instagram, no Facebook, no Twitter. Um slid my DM said they liked my look. Um, they could tell I was in construction and wanted to know a little bit more about that. Um. Within a couple of conversations, I was out in l a um interviewing with Fox. So it was all through a d M slide. Yeah, all through a DM slide. That's great. You know, DM slides get a really bad rip. But I think a lot of good can come from him, clearly. So I

mean all I've really heard. I'm not a big like reality TV fan, but my girlfriend is obsessed and she will not stop talking about Joe Millionaire. Uh yeah, you know I don't know if you know this, but the three of us at least are from the Bachelor franchise. So, uh, I remember seeing Jared's face at some point. Uh deean, when were you on? I was on like four or five years ago. I was on Rachel season and then uh, I was the guy that lived in a van on

the Last Bachelor in Paradise. I was kind of I kind of like created my own for richer for poorer. I was like the poor. Um. But she's obsessed with Joe Millionaire. She talks about it all the time. She thinks it's better leaps and bounds in the Bachelor Is nowadays. Um So, how does it feel to be like part of I guess like this resurgence of Joe Millionaire. Yeah, it was really cool. Um. Honestly, it's it's so ironic

that I'm even on television. I U I would full hit me a couple of years ago, removed the TV out of my living room. I don't even watch that much television at all. Um. So it's so funny that I, even you know, was said yes to this opportunity because it was kind of uncharacteristic for me. Um. But it does feel very cool. And I think the reason why I did say yes to it was the production company

that was behind it were not Five Productions. Um, Sally Anne is a queen and she you know, I just got really good um feelings of her when I went out and at her in l A. And we had to sit down, and you know, I gave her a lot of a lot of trust. So I took a leap of faith and I'm glad I did. That's awesome that you know Sally because I follow her on Twitter and I am a huge Jersey Shore fan, so I know four nine five Productions very well because they also

produced Jersey Shore. So they're just killing the game. Yeah, very nice. Well, I think that you probably hit the home run with them too, or like I guess they hit the home run with you because you know, like you said, you take the TV out of your room. It's kind of more like the blue collar that they're looking for, but you're still successful in your own right. So, Um, what was it like like your first filming then? Like I I kind of watched a couple of minutes of

the show. Like I said, my girlfriend watches it all the time, so I'm like semi aware of what's going on. But you met uh, I guess the other guy on the show, and then Steven right, and then you're just like became best buds. And then you go out and you date these thirty women and figure out who wants to like who and all that kind of stuff. Right, yeah, yes, so um, the first couple of nights, I was so stiff,

very awkward. I'm kind of an awkward person anyhow, so it took me a little bit to set away in Um. Fortunately though, Stephen Um, this guy was built for this. I mean he literally is. He's great for radio and television and everything. I Mean, the guy's just so quick witted. He's always on his toes. He always has that like presentation voice and face. So um, it was great having him there because he carried a lot of the load,

especially those first couple of days. Um uh. And then us kind of bonding was that was legit, that was real, and that was something that the producers were nervous about, and they shared that with me out in l A Companies before filming. They you know, we're very nervous about the pairing of the two guys. And I think that's I think that's why I fit into the puzzle, Um when I did because they had another gentleman, and I think when they stumbled upon me, they thought, oh, shoot,

this guy, would you know a company? Stephen a lot better. So you guys also have very similar like stats, so I know, going in, it sort of keeps the I don't know if the other guys were similar stats too, but it really keeps it like a question mark of who is the more wealthy because you're like, okay, well they're both sort of what do you mean what do

you mean by stats? Like like similar type of jobs, sort of like a similar I would say, maybe a similar type and like looks like you're the same height ish, you know, but also just in your upbringing, like watching the episodes how you went to school, how you're raised, like things like that. I think it keeps it not like one of you is from a big city and the other one is from some small little town. You're

you're very similar. It seems like you're very different but very similar in some of your like you're just on paper like stats, you know what I mean? Yeah, I can agree with that. I think um from a yes, a background as far as work and kind of the lives we built for ourselves. Absolutely. We we are very blue collar. Um. You know, I've never put on like catties or a suit for a job. I mean, I've been in construction most of my adult life and then

even all through college, I worked as a handyman. Um. Uh. Stephen as well. You know, he was a farmer, rancher and he he actually he legit was running the farm before he stepped into the CEO position, So you know, he he is a hard worker and he I mean he's probably even harder worker now that he's in a more professional side of it. But I mean he was a rancher for for a good while, so he was working with his hands. And um, you know, they've got

multiple other companies, have a construction company. They got to Undergod utility company. H They've got some car washes that they just new franchise at their starting that they're blowing up over the East coast right now. So they are they are the real deal. Busy guy, I want to go back, grow quickly to what you were saying earlier about you guys becoming friends so that the production company

wanted you guys to get along, right. There wasn't any like desire for you guys to like have any animosity towards each other. No, that was they wanted us to get along, They wanted a camaraderie. They wanted uh so Sally and her vision was she said the problem when

she did the batchelor back in the day. She the first couple of seasons, she said that the best conversations that would happen we're always between the bachelor and then maybe a male producer, but they could never get those on camera, right, So she was trying to find the dynamic where you get those conversations and they could put him on camera. So I think that's what she wanted.

The two supporting roles. Well, I'll tell you what, from my personal experience, this doesn't even hold the candles to what you're going through at Joe Millionaire. But when I host this podcast alone, I am is doable. When Jared's here to host this podcast with me, it is so

much better for so many reasons. And I think it's just so nice to like you have to have that like outlet or like resource there for you to like just talk to and unload on and uh you know, bounce ideas off of all that kind of stuff I really like from a viewer standpoint to, like, I love just seeing because you guys obviously are going through this together, and so talking to a producer, I feel like sometimes you are giving a little bit of a you know,

being also in a role of like speaking to producers versus speaking to other castmates. You're going to speak to them a little bit differently, but like it's nice to have somebody who's like in the same role with you that you can relate to and like bounce ideas off of and kind of like have that. Yeah, I think I I'm I'm watching it and I'm like, I'm really enjoying.

I agree with Kayalin Dean because I'm like, man, even their beds look more like And I also I feel like it's sort of it's like the combination of The Bachelor and back Let in Paradise together. So I don't know how familiar you are with like the spinoff of Bachelor Paradise, but but like in Bachelor in Paradise, it's like almost equal part girls and guys, and so you're like hanging out, you're living together, um and just watching

Joe Millionaire. Now you still have that like separation, but you're like, you know, like you come down and bring the girls cookies or like you do different things where it's a little bit more spontaneous. It seems like you can actually get to know people, um like on on

Bachelor Paradise. Personally, I feel like you get to know people a lot better because you have more att Yeah, and I also feel like the way that they structure and I don't know if this changes throughout this season, but the way that its structures, like one on one dates and things like that, it kind of gives maybe people that you wouldn't have put in the position of a one on one date to like get a one

on one date. M they do it sort of and again, like I don't know if this is going to change throughout the season, but um, for for Dean and Jared, like they kind of do it in a competition staff so it's like if somebody wins something, maybe they're the one that gets the one on one date. So maybe it's like somebody who's like like low on your list, but then you actually get to know them more, which

I think is such a cool thing. Yeah, honestly, it could have been you know, it could have been even longer we didn't get to know some of these women as um. You know, I wish I would have because you know, this is the nature of this this game or this experiment. Um. You know, you're speed dating these women. People aren't always the best at presenting who they are, and there's initial interactions. So it was tough, you know.

And now looking back on some of the show, I'm seeing some qualities about women that I didn't see when or when we're filming or during the show. Um, And I'm seeing some qualities that I that I really like or some qualities that that I don't like. So it

is interesting watching back in this perspective. What was it like going from a guy that purposefully trying to disconnect himself, like he said, you took your TV out of your living room, so then uh, trying to build a romantic connection kissing girls like with cameras all around you, Pruce is all around you. What was that like? Transition? Like I think you can tell from the show, And it was very stressful for me, to be honest, and you know that whole the whole thing, the whole ordeal was

stressful on me. And then I'm running a company back home and trying to manage that, and unfortunately they allowed Steve and I both to work for two hours every morning. So from six am to eight am, we get our phones with your computers and we crunched out as much work as we could, and then from like eight to eight thirty would get a quick thirty minute workout and then you know we'd be in the chair by nine

am doing interviews. So um, the structure of the day was very very um Bridge in long we were always busy doing something uh. And then we both had all those external stressors that were still dealing with call um. So how did your like clientele or like co workers or employees react to you be on the show? So I I I sat down everybody I was contracted with at the time, all my clients, and because it came at me so quick and s I just was honest about, Hey, look,

I got this opportunity. I don't even know if I'm gonna take it yet, but if I do, you know, how do you guys feel about it? Um? And luckily all my clients were, We're super chill about it. I mean, honestly, the one I'm doing a historic renovation UM for some clients in mine, and they were they kind of pushed me to do it. They're like, don't let us hold

your back. And unfortunately, I just hired a superintendent to cover the field for me, So you know, I had I left some people behind um to take to manage to work for me while I was gone. But it was still, you know, to step away from a business. And I just started my business, not not even two years ago, so I've on't even in business for myself not that long. I had to take the scales out and you know, way the pros and the columns, I

think I think you made the right choice. I think there's gonna be a lot of new business to be dumped up after the back too, for sure, a thousand percent. So was there ever a point where you and Steve were interested in the same girl? Yeah, I mean without spoiling anything, you know, I mean we I grew up in a big family brother so used to share it,

so it wasn't that big. Did you ever feel like because you weren't the millionaire and I'm sure you do well for yourself, but like when I went on the Bachelorette, I made like I was making like forty five tho dollars fifty dollars a year, and I'm surrounded by all these dudes who are I feel like, taller than me, better looking than me, and more successful than me. I remember, like one guy one morning, He's like, oh, I had to he had to like transfer seventy dollars in his

bank account towards his company. And I was like, holyh Like you have that much money in your bank account. I was like, why would this woman ever want to be with men? Did you ever get that insecurity? Because I got it all the time. Um. You know, I think I'm a little different than most men. So I checked my pride at the door, uh many years ago, and uh, I'm happy for the life I've built for

myself and the success I've created for myself. So um no, I I I'm not really intimidated five men like Stephen, but you know, I'm rather inspired by them and I want to learn from them. And that's exactly what I used this experience to do. I mean, the whole time we're up at the guesthouse, we were just talking shop in business and and to your point, there was one moment I was bitching about losing a bunch of money

on a crypto a bunch of money. To me, I lost like four grand and he he goes dude and shows me his he lost like a couple of hundred thousand. Oh my god. And I was like, all right, well, you know, it could be worse. It could be worse. Jared to your point too. I know you've talked about this before, but same with me. I had like forty dollars in my checking account, Like, man, why would anyone ever want to choose me over this doctor or lawyer?

You know? And she only ever knew. Yeah, alright, Kurt, So we see you kind of had like an instant attraction to Carolyn. Right, what was it? What was it about her that kind of set out to you the most? It was it was just an energy. I don't know. I looked at her aesthetically. She is, you know, the type of woman that typically I'm into, you know, doctor darcer skid brunette, and uh so there is that, you know, initial attraction, but there was just this honestly, this this

energy between us and I mean, that was real. We couldn't stop looking at each other, and everybody felt it. Yeah, So I guess we can kind of look forward to seeing that unfold a little bit more as the season goes on. Yeah, the relationship is starting to sour. It's always interesting. The ones that seemed to spark right away also tend to to die out just as quick. Sometimes that quick flame, but it is like that chemistry thing is so I mean you can feel it through the screen.

Like watching I'm like, oh my god, I was attracted to her, like just the way but like it like it's a light around her. But it is so interesting once you start to get to know people more, and you know, as like things unfold, people get more comfortable or comfortable, like how quickly dynamics can change under the pressure cooker environment. Absolutely, it is a pressure cooker. That's that's it. And um, you know it's it's so messed up,

like this is it. This is not right in the world right, but on Joe Million or The Bachelor, it's it's right. So I think everybody realized that when they're there and they're trying to deal with this, you know, this is not right dating you know, ten women at the same time or for me, I mean really, I was only trying to date. A lot of the women get mad at you because in the producers were too,

because I wasn't initiating conversations with other women. I wasn't pulling other women away because you know, having two or three was enough for me. And they're like, no, you have to date everybody, like this shows you to flop

if you don't go date everybody. Um, it's kind of right watching it because coming from the Bachelor World, watching you struggle through that and be like and then there was that conversation between Caroline and forget about her name Amanda Amanda, and and these two girls are talking about like, well, I know that you kind of like him, and I

already kissed him, and so maybe I'll back off. I'm like, oh my god, this would never happen, like just because your friends with somebody in the back of the world. It's like, if I want this or if I'm curious, I'm going for it. You know you have to have that. I know, well, we didn't know why. I don't think any of us knew, you know, really what we were getting ourselves. And do somebody I saw a tweet other day.

It was really funny. I said, it feels as I'm paraphrasing here, It's like it feels as the whole cast with Joe Millionaire has never watched reality heating before, and I said, that is remarkably accurate, Like literally none of us have. Did you watch the original Joe Millionaire just to like see what it was all about? We didn't even know Joe Milliar? Do we got there? Yeah? They lied. They said it was love for real. And the premise was it was the whole cast was entrepreneurs and that

money has always gotten the way of relationships. So they were gonna put to entrepreneurs, one really wealthy, one not, and then a bunch of women of entrepreneurs and see what happens. And that was pretty much all they gave us to get us down there, which is like basically close enough. I guess that you're just have her name? Yeah pretty much? Yeah? Yeah? Interesting? Okay, Uh? What was it?

Was it hard to keeping a secret the entire time because whenever I think of that stuff, like I think, once you get to a certain point, the girls stopped caring as much. But I would say, like the first night, it's probably friend of mine, like which one is the super wealthy one and which one isn't? Right? Was it always difficult to kind of keep that secret or did it kind of fade away like and and and became

just second nature at one point. I think it was it was more difficult for Stephen, you know, Um, it was hard for him not to talk about all the businesses and and he recently had he started a like a meat snack company which is doing really well, and I know he's really proud of that. And then he, um, just this past year it started macbe coffee and car wash, or maybe two years ago, but they're just really now expanding.

So he had a lot a lot of stuff going on, new stuff going on that I'm sure he wanted to talk about, and he couldn't because that'd be a dead giveaway, you know. So I think it was definitely more hard for him. For me, you know, I don't know, women stopped prying into me, And maybe I was just good

at deflecting. That's probably what it was. But I definitely could imagine for him, like, you know, his companies are such a big part of his life and then he's just like not allowed to really talk about them too much. That's got to be pretty challenging for sure. For sure, for sure. I mean, yeah, it's not that he identifies by him, but it's taking a lot of hard work and dedication to build these companies, So something to be

proud of. Absolutely, all right, cart before we let you go, can you tease us anything that's gonna be happening on Joe Millionaire, Because it's not too often we get somebody who's currently in the show airing. Usually it's like they just drop all the episodes and then you know, we talked to him afterwards. But now it's like, what the hell is gonna happen? Honestly, Um, it's pretty dramatic. I don't I don't know what I can tease, but I

can't tease, but yes, stay tuned. I don't think it's gonna turn out the way you think, are you I gotta ask are you happy without it turned out? Um? Yeah? Overall it's it's a it's a net positive overall, okay, net positive, but with a little bit of skepticism involved. That sounds like kind of what I would expect um first time doing reality TV, obviously I would imagine, so

like generally good things to come from it. I think it's definitely a good way to like say, generally net positive is a good thing because a lot of people that going around the TV end up saying no, it was a horrible experience. So it seems like you got a good head on your shoulders about it. Yeah. No, I think that this will be used in the right way. Um. You know, this is gonna give me a whole new access to a marketplace that I would have never had

access to it before. Um. I think just the contacts alone, I mean, being brought on y'all show I was, you know, I was a Jason Tarde show like two weeks ago. Nice. Um, just making these relationships already is beneficial. So right, it's all about the business and not about the romance obviously. Yeah that's twine a little bit. Why not? Why not? Well, thank you so much for joining us. Man, we appreciate it. Like I said, my girlfriend has been glued to the

TV watching Joe Millionaire. Um, I mean at this point I gotta start watching that too. Since now that we've met, I'm invested in your in your future as well, So thank you for joining us. Um, where can we like, let's say, you know, we we want to get more from just the show. Where can we follow you? Like

on Instagram? Do you have a Twitter now? Like? Any of that's yeah, yeah, I've got Twitter, Twitter and Instagram are both start Underscore Kurt ku r T and uh, Steven's is His Instagram is just Stephen McBee and I think his Twitter is Stephen underscore mcbe. Nice man, you have follow us Fallow Joe mollon our show. Um, I am still not that active. I'm trying to be better, but hey, you're just learning, You're picking it up as you go. You're doing great. We're excited to follow along,

pleasure to meet you. You seem like an awesome guy, so we're excited to see how the love story unfolds. And best of luck to you moving forward. Thanks Carl, thank thank you gentlemen and lady. Yeah, thanks, we'll talk all right, Well that's gonna do it. I think I do want to bring up something very very briefly that I looked up earlier because analyst this was well on a prior podcast, but you know, hey, what are you

gonna do? It popped in my head. We were talking about your book and you were talking about how you started getting back into reading, and then I thought about how I had been on first dates before. And I'm not calling you a liar but I'm saying that I have definitely lied about the amount of books that I've read, and I have definitely lied on first dates about how much I read, because it's just an insecure I'm just an insecure human being. What can I say? Dean's nodding

his head. So I looked up something and it said the ten most common lies that men tell women on a first date. Would you like to hear them very quickly? Yes. One his money situation, so don't be surprised if you eventually find out he doesn't have a huge salary, or that he's possibly in debt, which ties him all to the Joe Millionaire interview, which just made totally Uh. Number two his living situation. If he's living with his family or roommates, he may fear that the situation makes it

appear as if he's not able to provide. Uh. I've definitely live. I remember there was a time where I moved back in my parents just for a couple months while I was in between places, and I definitely said that I was now living there. Like I said, I had a condo apartment somewhere else. Uh. Number three, this one's bullshit. If there's another woman well, if he's lying, if there's another woman, then he's already a jerk. Uh. Number four this, I've definitely lied about his fitness habits.

Yeah that's fair. Uh. Number five his last breakup. Perhaps he was a cheater or the one to blame in the last relationship, or maybe it's part of really broke his heart. I'm not sure if I've ever lied about this, but I know friends that have definitely lied. They're like explaining the situation to someone and I'm like, bro, that is not how I went down. I'm not going to call you out. But yeah, younger me, late teens me would lie about it, but I've since come around to

the way of the truth. Uh. Number six has past if he's got a former addiction, perhaps cheated on the spouse, coming out clean about it, um. Oh. Seven, his job, it's not going to be an outright lie. But if he tells you he's a doctor and he's a janitor, that probably won't happened. But he might stretch to the truth slightly to make himself sound better. Yeah, I've definitely, I've definitely embellished like my responsibilities. Yeah. Eight his track

record of commitment. Uh, unless he's a solid guy who sticks to monogamous relationships. He's going to avoid too much scrutiny of his track record. This is what we've talked about Dean about how guys have definitely lied about how many people they've been within the past nine his friends. He'll talk about his friends, but he won't mention if some of them are particularly troublesome. M hmm. I still don't know if I ever lied about that. Oh, have

you lied about your friends? I feel like I've been truthful if I've ever had like bad friends, because I'm like, well, they're gonna make me look great. Yeah, that's a good point. No, Um, Caitlin's just got an issue with some of my friends, not for any reason. She just knows that every time I go to hang out with them, we like drink too much beer and like play too much golf or

something like that. You know, So she that's all that I lie about it, But she definitely like doesn't love me hang out with them as much as I typically want to. And at least, have you ever dated a guy that you were like, I don't like you want I don't like you being friends with this person? Um, I can't think of like a specific one. I'm sure. I'm sure there was somebody, but I can't remember sorr that. No, no, no, it's true. I don't think there's anybody that. Ashley is like,

I don't want you hanging out with this person. Yeah, it doesn't like stand out that I was ever like, I forbid you hanging out with this person. Yeah, I'm not forbidden by the way. I just it's it's a sensitive subject. And number ten his real intentions, Well, that's obvious. I went out. So here's a story. I went out with this guy who stressed how he was very busy. I thought nothing of it. I'm a single parent. Well that changes the game. I'm also very busy. We made

plans for a second day before we went out. He started to express he what he was looking for since he was busy. Oh, he did the whole I'm not ready to be in a relationship type thing. That's such. I don't buy. I don't ever really buy that with That's a different conversation for a different podcast. But I'm not a big buyer and I'm not ready for a relationship. Now, you're not ready for a relationship with that person, right, if you cared enough about someone or something. You would

find way to make it work. And that's basically as simple as that. Um, I thought you were gonna make one of those. I know the reason you looked it up was because the reading habits thing. But I thought one of them would have been how often do you read? I thought that would be a number one lie because I was thinking about like what did I lie about on first dates or what did I embellished? And that would definitely be one of them. I still kind of I think a lot of myself about Hawfton I read.

I used to read like a book a month, which I was like pretty proud of. Like I'm not a big reader. I hate reading, but I would like force myself to read one book a month. And I haven't read a full book in probably like two years. So I think I need to get back on that. Maybe already analystis to get back into it. Hell, yeah, it's a It's you don't have to like finish it all at once. It's kind of the beauty of it. You can read a little bit, you can go and check

out one poem if you're in a certain mood. I'm like a serious no, I don't like that I mean, I think it's great. Don't don't get any wrong, But this is why I don't like it, because I've got a serial habit of starting things and not finishing them. Ever. I've got six projects going on in the house that I've maybe gotten up to sixty complete. I have like seven books that I'm like fifty pages into. It's like, why don't I just finish a book and then move on the next one. That's the thing all of mine

is are there. It's like poem ms or or spoken word, which is like it's a little hard to relate sometimes onto the page, but m or it's like a little bit of backstory and interesting stories. So I feel like it is that it's the for the brains like you, like that's my brain. I have a really hard time for me. Like if I start reading a book, by the time i'm on chapter two, I have to start all over again. I have no idea what I read,

Like that's just how my brain works. So I need like little snippets, little nuggets of the reading, and then I'm like, Okay, I feel like I did something. I feel accomplished, I learned something. Um reading is just yeah, I I really wish I did more reading. But I think something I realized in writing my book is how

much it's also it's like the voice. It's kind of like um with Kurt saying that chemistry that he had with Carolyn, like it's it's sometimes you're just it's a certain somebody speaking directly to you, like it's some It's

like that chemistry even with reading. And I had that happen last year with a book where it was the first book that I had read all the way straight through from front to back, and I think it was just because like the way that they spoke was the language I understood, and so UM, I think sometimes it's just like it's finding that that thing, that person, whatever that you connect to, that you relate to that makes you invested and want to have want to do more

and like read more. But that doesn't That's really rare for me in relationships and books. I think I think there's a flaw on our education system because I think they don't do a good enough job of instilling um, reading things that you like reading as a kid, because you always read like textbooks and things that you dislike, and so you just grow this natural like disdain towards reading. Not everyone. Obviously, there's a lot of great readers out

there and stuff. But I would say, like generally speaking, like the three of us, for instance, you know, none of us maybe for whatever reason, we don't like reading so much. But I read, you read, you read, I know you read menus, you read, I read tom reading magazines. I read ingredients for when I have to purchase pursudo duncans orders. Um. There's this one quote that I've shared on this podcast before, but I like it a lot. It's uh, he says, read what you love until you

love to read. And I think that says a lot, you know, so like analyst to your point earlier, you were saying, you're reading that book that they spoke your language. You find enough of that stuff and you just read it and read and read it until eventually you just pick up the habit of reading often enough until you love to read. I think that's a good way to look at it. You have to find the things that you just like to read, Like I like to read. Um. I found that I really like to read stories about

startup companies in Silicon Valley. That's very fascinating to me. I've read many books on that that is gonna do over this week's episode. It was a great episode. Thank you guys. Um if you had to have the chance to go back and listen to our first episode with Analyst co hosting with us that came out on January. Thank you guys for joining us. We really appreciate it. Analyst, Thank you for co hosting with us. Reading. You can say anything you want, take as much time, take as

much time as you need. Thank you for having me first offer. And then also if you don't like reading, or if you do love reading, then please check out my book apn Written. That's it dropping undetermined in February. Yeah, that's because there's there's a shipping short a cream paper shortage in North America, so shipping has changed. So that's the shortage of everything right now. It's shortage of everywhere. But that's why it's a little bit of a question mark.

So I am sorry. But when I know, you guys will be the first to know. So if you're following me on my personal Instagram, uh Analyst p or ap Underscore Unwritten, you will be the first to know when it is available to buy. I love it. Keep the mystery alive. When will we get it? We're all waiting for it. It's like it's a random drop. It's going to happen one of these days. Keeping I feel like Taylor Swift feel like this is the kind of thing she doesn't gonna start dropping hints on when it's going

to be available. Yes, well, we'll definitely keep our eyes peeled. APN written do in February sometime. We can't wait to read it. Follow help by suck at Dating on I Heart Radio or wherever you listen to podcast