Need Some “Me Time”

This is Suckers.

I'm Kiln Bell, I'm Dean Bell, and I'm Jared han An.

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How is it going? Everybody? We are here to record our episode of Suckers.

I why are you talking like that?

I've already started this podcast off weird.

My name is Dean Bell.

I'm joined here in studio in Aruba by Kaylen Bell and Jared is joining us for once in our Lives. Jared, we're actually an hour ahead of you.

Oh so it's three o'clock.

It's three o'clock here in Aruba.

Ah Uba. How is it Ruba? You guys look very colorful.

Yeah, that's a nice way to say sunburn. I appreciate that.

It's pretty pretty nice.

Yeah, Dean, Dean's turning to end pretty fast, but he's not wearing well. You were sunscreen today, which is good.

What were you going to say?

It was great?

I really love it. It's been very relaxing. We went on a boat today.

What else have we done? We've eaten a lot.

I haven't really been drinking, but as I say that, we are drinking champagne. But besides this, we really haven't been drinking a lot.

Yeah.

Great, summation of Aruba. So far, we have gone on a boat today. We went on a boat yesterday. We went to the national park up north. And she's right, we haven't really drank that much, but we've been eating quite a bit. It's just hard to adjust to the time zone difference for me, especially, I'm not sure why we're three hours ahead, and I just can't seem to get it together right away.

Well, that's why I don't like traveling very far, is because I remember when we went to Iceland, which is something along the lines. We were in La at the time, like eight hours different, something crazy like that, and so we we flew in, we took a red eye, so we tried. We got in at like six thirty in the morning Iceland time, but we hadn't slept in I don't know, twenty hours something along those lines, and so we were we were so tired, and it was nonine

And then it's like you're waking up for breakfast, but then you have to go to bed in four more hours.

Oh, So of course we didn't go to BITU till like four in the morning that night, and the whole trip was just the problem was to Iceland at this time, it was wintertime. There was only about four hours of daylight, four or five hours of daylight, so it's truly you only have a few hours because Iceland's all about just driving to waterfalls or seeing natural resources, and it was you know, I don't want to do that at night because that sounds very scary, so we didn't do much.

Now, I don't remember being especially jet lagged. On our season of The Bachelorette, we went to Norway, which is, you know, obviously a few hours of ahead of Iceland, but like longitude, latitudinally it's about equal similar, I would say, at least to southern to northern Iceland. So in terms of just like sunlight time, I think it's probably similar at the time of year that we were there. But

Maybe that's why you're talking about your season of Bachelorette or a trip.

That you actually went.

I was just talking about to Ash I you're talking about bacheloor At my bad.

But you know, I mean, you still traveled for the show, so it's all kind of in the same thing.

You guys went to what Ireland or something? Right?

We went to Ireland and that's where I should speak closer to the mic, I sound better. That's where got We went to Ireland. We went to Dublin and that's where I had a private concert with the Cranberry's hashtag humble brag. And then we went to Kolarnie and that's where I kissed the Blarney Stone hashtag humble breg. It was cool.

Yeah, we've been in Ireland.

The jetlag here isn't bad. Why are you complaining about jet lag because.

I'm suffering the consequences of it. You know exactly what I'm talking about.

But it's I mean, it's like a three hour difference.

Yes, But the thing is our flight left at midnight out of Denver. I had to drive us four hours while you sat comfortably in the passenger seat, and then we flew three and a half hours to Charlotte, and then we had a two hour layover. Then we flew three and a half hours here.

The Red Eye definitely messed us up, but I don't think it's jet lag. I think it's it's not sleeping because of the.

Red eye, but jet lag kind of also like part of jet lag is the fact that you're not sleeping very well on an airplane.

I'm thinking more of like the time change you can't adjust to.

I mean, yeah, but that's definitely part of it, definitely part of the product. But yeah, so I'm still struggling before we're here for two more days. Yeah, it's been it's been great tropical paradise. We left like it was like two feet of snow dropping on the ground in Colorado when we left, and now we're kind of a bummer, honestly, eighty five sunny humidity, a.

Bummer because I'm finally into skiing and it was a great, great day to ski. Dean skied, but we had friends in town, so we skied for two days. Dean skied for four days, and then we left and Dean drove through a very scary, crazy snowstorm.

So props to him, thank you.

That's why I'm tired, because I had to focus so much energy on driving and getting us there safely.

Yeah.

So my question for you, because a lot of couples go through this do you think that the juice is worth the squeeze right now? With the jet lag, the missing of the snow, and you know, listen, this is in your honeymoon, so it's not like you have to feel guilt about being like, oh, maybe we shouldn't have done this because we're just tired and we'd rather actually be in the snow and be at home in our

Yeah? I do.

I think it's so nice, so relaxing. It's nice to change it up being in the dead of winter right now. I guess we're approaching spring. But it's nice to come here and lay on the beach and be a little mindless.

It's nice to leave winter paradise to go to a tropical paradise.

So it is nice.

It is very, very nice, and I'm so happy to be here, and we're here for the perfect amount of time. I think too, Like Monday to Friday is great because if it's like Friday to Sunday, it feels like you don't have enough time. If it's Monday to Monday, you feel like you're spending a little bit too much time away from home. So I do think that we kind of nailed it right in the head timing wise.

Yeah, we were supposed to go straight from here to Italy, and then we were sad about leaving al So we're gonna go home for a week and then go to Italy, which'll be nice.

Yeah.

I just wish that it was easier to fly with dogs internationally, and.

We had a dog that's nicer.

But yeah, both, Well, it's not like he's going to be Yeah, we've traveled with him before, and I see your point, But I just wish that he could fly with us, Like, can we get him a passport.

Or something, a dog passport. He just has to be quarantined, I'm pretty sure.

Yeah, But then by the time he's done quarantine, it's time to go home.

It's not really worth it.

I mean, these are so small, kit you just put him in a nice little handbag and put him underneath the seat.

That's what we do.

Yeah, but I think what pawn arrival at least Hawaii, I don't you're kinda are you sure about that?

No, I only know about Hawaii, And well, you were trying to bring a dog back from Nepal.

So I know about Nepal's rules. I don't know about Europe.

Yeah, I don't know.

It's also like more enjoyable to not have him on a trip, to worry about taking him out, to worry about if he's going to bite someone at a restaurant, if we're going to kicked out of a restaurant like we have.

I disagree. I want him with me at all times. I would take him everywhere if I could.

So, Deane's the reason we're not going to Italy. We just need we just need to go home and see how I'm the.

Reason we're not going in Italy. We are still going to Italy. And when we confirmed that we weren't going, you were jumping up and down with excitement at home, and you literally looked me in the eyes and you said, I can't believe I'm the girl that's excited about not going to Italy now.

Because going back to back trips was a lot, and packing for eighty degree weather and then packing for sixty degree weather was scinon.

Is dressing me out?

And I we don't check bags, so packing that in a carry on, I did it, but I wasn't happy about it.

I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm just saying, don't blame it on me when you're saying that you when you were jumping up.

I know you do. I know you do.

This is the life that I've signed up for, and that's totally fine. I've totally agreed and I'm totally down with it. But yeah, so here we are in Aruba. It's been great. It's been perfect weather, a little bit windy, but it is what it is. Eighty five and sunny every single day and we're just having a black.

You guys have any like cute couple of things that you're doing.

Just dinners every night. It's like a very romantic honeymoon esque spot. It's like people are either on their honeymoons or it's people with time shares or just retirees on vacation.

It seems like.

Or we're trying to get the young people to be interested in it now too.

Yeah, they should be. It's great.

I mean it's it really has been a great vacation. Yeah, and super easy to get to.

Super easy to get too. We're working with the tourism board, so it's been it's been a fantastic experience so far, And if anyone's listening to this podcast, we are probably going to talk about it on Been There Dean that next week, so we'll get into some more depth about it, about our daily routine and our and our itinerary and what we've done and where we ate and all those things.

Yeah, like it's a Caribbean island, but and we'll talk more about that on your podcast. But there's a lot to do, whereas I feel like a lot of Caribbean islands, you're kind of just I don't know, on an island.

But there, we went on to a national park.

There's hikes, there's there's more than just the beach, which is nice.

How is it up in Rhode Island?

Uh? Cold, It's cold and crappy out right now, but it was nice the other day it was like sixteen Sonny. I was actually thinking yesterday because Ashley has a doctor appointment down in Virginia next week, so she is going to go early to see her family. I have to work a couple extra days. She'll leave a couple of days before me and then I'll meet up with her.

There's something about being a guy where it's just like you just want to have you want to have something that's going to take you away from being at home for an hour, whether it's like running errands or going to the store or working out something like that, just like an hour to yourself where you're just like music's on and and you can just you know, do just do guy stuff for an hour.

I know, I've been working out in the morning, which has been great unless I have to open Audrey's. But uh yeah, dude, it's just like I need that. And I can't tell if Ashley needs that. Kaelin, do you need that.

Like time alone working out? What do you mean, like.

You I I feel selfish saying it, but like I also wake up before Dawson and Ashley wake up to ensure that I'm not infringing on their time. But like I need to go to the gym and I need to just like be alone for a part of the day. Not a long extended period of time, but like if I'm like, hey, I'm gonna go get a coffee and Ashley's like, oh, I'll come with you, and I'm like, I love you so much, I'll bring Dawson, but like I need, I need to be in my own head.

Yeah, I mean I guilty here as well.

Well, I definitely need that time to work out, Like I feel really bad and gross if I don't have I don't work.

Out like five times a week, So I need that time.

And I like being in my car alone, like listening to my music or my podcast, So I get that.

Yeah, I think Ashley is the weird one. I really do. She like never needs that and it's the most I mean, I think I've talked about this podcast before and it's the most endearing, sweetest, most wonderful thing. But it's like I feel terrible because I'm like I just need, you know, like, even I love going to the gym in the morning. It's like gets my day going. I love it so much. It's like I get up, I do my thing. But then she's told me on numerous occasions, she's like, I

Well, and there is something to be said about working out in the morning too. It just does set the day off on it a good note, but there are times where like I don't want you to feel like bad or guilty about that, because I'm the exact same way. Like, for instance, when we were in Bozeman for Christmas and we were about to drive from Bozeman to our new house in Colorado. To Kaylin, I was like, you could drive with me for it's eleven hours to get to

Sometimes No, I one.

Hundred percent agree.

I think there's like two different relationships, Like we function really well when he goes on trips for like a week or two weeks, even you haven't done for a while. But I think we function really well when we have that time of part and then we come back together, or if it's just like a weekend or whatever. But then there's some couples who who don't have that and function perfectly fine.

I think we're just unique in that way.

I just I'm so used to being alone that I when I'm alone, I think I think more interestingly in a way. I don't know how to describe it, but like when all I have to do is think about my own thoughts, I just feel like my brain goes to weird or darker, not darker, but like more interesting places. And when I'm around you, or even if I'm like watching TV or whatever it is, it my brain like allows itself to like tap out before I get to

How weird you really are alone. I love it.

I think I do think there is so much of a benefit to it, where it's like you'll never fully realize how weird you are until you spend you know, a certain amount of time by yourself.

I never knew it was about weirdness.

I love being weird. I think weird is the most underrated thing in the history of humanity.

I like being alone just because I feel like I'm more productive.

Yeah that's cool, but yeah, yeah, I don't know.

Well, I think both are kind of I think both are true because when Dean was saying his place, his mind goes weird places are like he does, he thinks more interesting thoughts. I do the same thing. Like when I'm alone, I'll listen to poetry. Yeah, and I'm like, I never listened to poetry, but yeah, I'm alone, and I'm just like thinking about life and death and these

I don't know, Yeah, no, I agree.

I think it's important to have time apart because you're still an individual and you shouldn't forget those two different parts of each other, you know, like we're too completely different, Jules, and being alone reminds me of who I am individually. And then obviously who you are individually, weird and all.

Yeah you disagree, Uh No, I don't at all. I think you nailed it right on the head.

Thanks.

I think that, I think to Jared's point, though, I think I enjoy being alone a lot more than you do. Not to say that you don't enjoy it, but it's almost something that I like seek out. I want to be alone, whereas you you're you're super comfortable and happy to be alone. But I don't think you'd necessarily seek it out as much as as other of us do.

I think you're more comfortable asking for that time alone, whereas I feel bad asking for it. But I love being alone, I really do. I love it so much.

Yeah, because you can read your book on full brightness in the middle of the night and after worry about it. Yeah, that must be nice. No, but I mean yeah, I fully see where you're coming from. I dont think you should fel guilty about it, Jared, because I think especially too, like I'm sure there are times where Ashley leans on you to be a parent more so so like, yes, it might suck leaving Dawson behind for a couple hours, but I'm sure you more than make up for it.

I guess I wish Ashley would ask me for a lone time more.

Yeah, you know, because it does me.

No, I mean it's tough for like, for example, her sister was in town and last week Lauren her best friend, and I was like, you should do something when Lauren is here, like, I'll take care of Dawson. You guys go like get a massage or get a do whatever you guys want to do. And She's like, all I want to do is just like hang on the couch with Lauren. I'm like, all right, I can't help, Like sure, okay, great, that's wonderful, but like I want you to do something

I think she needs to be invited on a fun girls trip and then be reminded how great they are because they are so fun. So me, her and Jess will go in a girl's strip and then she'll be like, oh wait, this is great.

I would love that. I would love that for her. Yeah, yeah, I mean she can't do that right now because she's pray goes.

She's just I mean I say the same thing to Kaln often too. She's like, I've got these flight credits. I don't know what to do. I'm like, oh, go to France and spend a week in France by yourself and.

What did I buy? T kids to Paris?

Yeah, and hey, hopefully it ends up happening. But to Jared's point too, like I do agree where it's like, I, you know, I don't know how to say this, but like if I want to go to la for a weekend and golf with my friends, it would be great. If you're like, oh, okay, that's totally fine because I was just in France for a week by myself and Dina's at home taking care of the dog in the house and all that stuff. There is like a it's

Is that wrong to say?

Mm?

I don't think so. I'm sure some people will think.

It's feels wrong to say, but there is it isn't tit for tat.

It does feel I think because I want to go see Mkay in Florida. If I go to Florida and then you're going to Oregon on a golf.

Trip, it makes sense.

Yeah, I don't know.

It's probably wrong according to some therapist, probably, But is.

It a weird Is it weird that you just you go through Like for example, when did you guys start dating Dean? How old were you?

I was twenty eight?

Really sev twenty three?

Twenty seven?

I was twenty seven then, so even at twenty three, you know, and then Dean you twenty seven. Let's call it like you went through twenty seven years of your life. No, granted a lot of that was kids, but like when you reach teenage years, you start becoming much more independent.

No, I see where you're coming from. I think about this all the time. I even talked about it on Been There Dean that a little bit where one of the episodes that you aren't on. But it's just so nice to be alone and I'm thirsty. Let me go to this shop and grab a coffee. I don't have to necessarily Like, it's just nice to focus on yourself and what you want without having to necessarily take someone

But I'm still not perfect at it.

I'm not I'm not even I wouldn't even say I'm really good at it to be, to be perfectly honest. But I'm still like getting there, you know, and then we're gonna get there, and then you're gonna have to also become more selfless later on. So to your credit, Jared, I do think that you know, you do have to savor those small moments that whenever you are able to get them.

Yeah, And I think people are going to take it out of context where we talk about you know, you taking Kalin's feelings into account or Kayln taking Dean's feelings into account. People are like, oh, you're so selfish. It's not. My purpose of this conversation was like legitimately, if I needed to go to Walmart, if I needed to go to Target, you know, and be like, oh, I'm going to go, Like I can't do that anymore. I can't just like, oh, I'm going to go. It's like, well,

Because people are judging. I think that's exactly the reason why people just like to judge, And it's not I feel like our generation we're being honest, like fully honest about how we're feeling, like we need time alone, and maybe the older generation or I don't know, but people find it so easy to judge that, like wanting time alone, thinking like you should be with your partner twenty four to seven.

I don't think that's healthy.

Are you sure? Is that what you think?

Yes?

I agree, I believe you.

I can't be with you twenty four seven.

The only reason I asked that because after you finish your sentence, you look down at the ground, so I wasn't sure if that was like a tell.

Of uh, that's where our recording device.

See. Okay, that makes sense.

Yeah, because like for your guys' purposes, you're obviously in a ruver right now, and then you're going to be in Italy. How long you in Italy?

For a week?

But what's nice is Dean's going to go to LA for a couple of days, and I think just being on a trip being together NonStop, which is fun and we're having a great time, but I think a great way for us to reset, And like I am very introverted and I reset by being alone. A great way for us to reset is just by being apart for a little bit.

That's all I was going to ask in the week that you're home. If you guys have plans like, oh, Dean's gonna go away and I'm gonna go away and we're going to come of like not necessarily.

We get back.

We're back for a week and then I go to LA for a couple days, and then I fly from La to Italy to meet you. Basically La to Colorado, Colorado to Italy and then we go from there. So, yes, there is there is a certain thing.

Just me that we were complicated. We're home for three days, then Dean leaves for LA and then we go to Italy.

Home for five days.

But you're flying to Italy to get yes, yes, okay, yeah, I was like, that would be a little weird if you flew across the Atlantic.

I'll tell you what those Jared to the credit of this conversation. I wouldn't hate it.

It'd be nice and it would be quite romantic if you met up at the airport in Rome.

I love flying with Kaylen to get too far. I love flying with Kaelin, but there are certain like if I want to fart on the airplane, if I fired next to Kalyn, she'd be mad at me.

If I fired next to a stranger. They wouldn't even beat Nihlish.

They would they would judge you. Where did we just fly from with the suites? Africa, Melbourne?

Melbourne.

We flew from Melbourne and we had we had suites which was greatly down bed. And he kept the partition up the entire time that was back from Yeah, I kept like lowering the partition. I'm like, hey, can can I see you? And he would just raise.

It back up.

I'd be like, sorry, I'm too busy watching this show for the ninety fifth time.

So it was basically like we flew separately.

Yeah, but then we got off the airplane and we get a hold hands and walk to the next gate together.

Yeah, it was fine. I didn't mind it, Honestly.

I'm just saying I know that marriage is a union and companionship there are.

That doesn't mean that you need to do everything.

Together, including flying.

Sometimes it's nice to just like be in your own head and just think about what you want to think about and focus on yourself.

I do agree, Dean.

I'm going to ask you something because you'll understand. So, when you fart on an airplane, do you like push down on the seat like I in my warped brain. When I'm in a plane and it's like I'm gonna fart, sorry, I will like try to suffocate it, not even the sound, but like in my warped brain, I think it minimizes the smell if I like push down on the seat and.

Make it affocate into the cushion a little bit. Yeah, no, I don't. I've got to tried and truth.

You lift your leg, do you?

I've got to tried and truth. Do you know what it is?

You asked me to squeeze you?

No? No, no, so what was that?

I've got to try.

If I know I've got a fart coming, I'll make her squeeze me so I can blame it on her. I was like, oh, you squeeze me, so it's your fault that I farted. It's a very cute thing that I do. I've got a tried and true system of farting in public is if you can somehow indiscreetly is it indiscreete or if you somehow could discreetly read it down? So you guys know, the reason a fart makes sound is because it's it's literally like it's your butt cheeps,

Or he'll fart with his headphones on and he's like, no one heard that.

Oh my gosh, that just happened the other day. That was the first time it ever happened. We're walking through the airport in Charlotte and I farted and I was like, I think that was kind of loud. And I take my headphones off and I was like, did you hear that? And she goes yeah, and so did everyone else around?

You too, said he's gonna throw up in me too?

Yeah? She get off the part talk.

I guess I find it quite entertaining.

Oh hey, did Ashley ever notice that you unfollowed her on? And I'm sorry muted her on? Wait you did unfollow her?

Yeah? Did you?

I unfollowed her? Guys, I have admission her back an hour after the podcast. Of course, I followed her back. And you know what's funny is that I was talking about it when I posted the clip on Instagram for social and she was like, who are you talking about unfollowing, and I said, uh, the one, the person sitting right next to me. And she goes, you were gonna unfollow me and I said, I did unfollow you, but it only lasted, you know, an hour. She's like, honestly, I

Whatever.

Also, here's the thing with Ashley though, if she'll if she understands anything, which is obviously many things, but specifically this, she understands more than anybody doing something for the bit, you know what I mean, like a radio bit content bit, she would have fully understood doing it for the bit.

And I think that she would have totally understood.

That's why I told her. I was like. She was like, I don't want any press about us, possibly like breaking up. I said, first of all, that would never happen. Secondly, it's all just who cares. It's all all press is good press, right, what.

They say, that's what they say. I don't necessarily agree with it, but that's what they say.

Yeah, I caved, but she was not happy that I even did it for a little while, so if I did it for longer, she would have been even more pissed at me. But I haven't muted anybody. I can't think of anybody. I got nothing. You know what it is. I just don't care if I see their post. You know who, I'll never Okay, I can't. I actually can't say it.

Come on, can we bleep the name?

So there is a I mean, you guys know exactly. I don't follow him, but I have access to the Audrey's account, Coffeehouse and Lounge and the social media manager Sydney, who obviously became a little bit of a villain on this season. She followed a bunch of Bachelor people when we first opened up, and one of the Bachelor alums that she followed posts the cringiest I've ever seen in my entire I know, let's it.

I have to know, and.

I'm sure this person's very nice.

You don't have to preface.

I don't even know if I want to keep this in because I feel so bad.

But it's oh, muted, muted.

Yeah, Oh, I can't have I have to watch, I oh to watch. It's just it comes up and it's just like it's like it's like watching one of those it is. I don't know if I'm gonna watch it with one eye because I can't put both eyes on this, but like I got to watch it with one eye and it makes me feel better and then like I'll slowly back up from the screen as I'm watching the video. But it's like I have to see this. So I don't know if we can keep that in because.

I think the reason I think, the reason that you say it as you say it too, is when you talk about anyone else, there's a lot of people that have there's like certain characteristics that make you really dislike, not really dislike them, but there are certain things that maybe you just like don't really vibe with super Well, he's just such a good guy. We're that too, and so for for because I am in the same boat as you. No, yes, that's what I'm saying. He is

I don't know, And I feel bad because I don't want to rain on someone's parade when they're trying something you don't want to there. I can't even say what this person is trying because it's a dead giveaway. But it's just like one of those things where you're like, oh golly, just I cannot believe some of the stuff.

I agree, but don't you think maybe I'm wrong? Do you think that they're getting cringier as the years go on? The contestants mostly male? Do you think the male contestants are getting cringier?

Yes, because I think that that's what works, and they're gonna do whatever works.

I don't think so well, Okay, so your guy, you guys were like humble and nice, and then I feel like we went in too and nice and nice. I feel like we went into like a like a different breed of men where they're like doing photo shoots constantly.

And I think every season has had that type, Like there's been like a pool of like five people that have had that every single season.

I don't know, it's just I don't know, it feels like it's getting cringing.

Of course, I see exactly where you're coming from, and I don't disagree with you. I just think that because because every season, maybe this is my interpretation of it, every season, there's like three guys that kind of become the bigger names or whatever, and they're typically relatively normal, and then there's five guys that are like in the tier below that that want to strive to reach that.

I don't know.

That's how I kind of see it. But I'm just totally making this up off the top of my head right now. So who the heck knows what I'm talking about.

I mean, don't get me wrong, there's cringe you guys, from your guys to seasons and previous and beyond whatever, But I don't know, just feels like it's getting a.

Little bit worse.

Do you think the girls are getting worse in that way?

Hmm?

Well, this season put the spotlight on you guys.

Are the girls getting worse? I think everyone is.

Wanting to be an influencer, Like there's yeah, like everyone's trying. Everyone every season is trying.

But it's easy for someone like you to say because you've achieved the status that everyone wants to achieve.

Do you disagree watching these new seasons?

No, No, No, I don't disagree with you at all. But I'm just saying, and.

I'm saying like I was a part of it, probably, well yes, not probably you were. I don't think I was striving to be an influencer, but I think you're on the show and you like feed into the show's hype.

Yeah.

Well, also it's just the opportunity, like the opportunities right there, you know, and you see your fellow cast members getting it right now, and so you crave it as well. And it's only natural to feel that way. And plus it's just it's not even Bachelor or just reality TV in general. It's kind of just the way the world.

When I was young, I saw open heart surgery in high school.

They like took us during anatomy to go visit open heart surgery and I was asking about the different positions and they're like that's what you want to be that an a caesiologist. They make so much money. So I was like, Okay, that's my career goal. I'm going to be an anesthesiologist. Then I realized I was aboud at science, but my goal was always money.

Well, for the oh, I see your point. For the record, anethy ziologists still make a lot of money. Just ask Ashley's that.

No.

I know, I'm saying my goal was money, and he's saying their goal is like rich and famous.

Money please money please?

Yeah, I see your point. I do think that it's maybe the entry. The barrier entry has gotten a little bit more easier to attain too, so you know, no one's gonna grow up. People do want to be a Brad Pitt, but they kind of know that it's not going to be achievable. And now that they see all you need is a webcam and an internet connection to be the next Ninja, maybe you could do it. Nina Ninja the streamer he streams.

Yeah, who's the most famous TikToker?

We think Alex Earl, No, she's not.

Who is so overrated?

I'm not saying she's not overrated, but I'm saying she is the most like this girl is everywhere. She is so famous.

Addison Ray Addison kind of fell off because of her family drama.

Okay, I guess not. I don't have the beat to.

The drum Addison and Charlie, I guess Charlie Dmilio. Yeah, but they kind of like chilled out a bit. Alex is still like front facing, like full in the spotlight.

Yeah, okay, I agree. I guess I don't know enough about Charlie.

Shirt. We can take those answers. Noah Beck, I did plotates with him, great.

He was a nice guy, cool. I don't think I consider him a top tier influencer.

Yeah, I don't know, but yeah, it is interesting how how times have changed, for sure, But I guess everything that you said.

My point is that it hasn't.

Really changed a weird way, so weird sentence and well.

It well, if things haven't really changed that much, I don't think. I just think that the cream would always kind of rise to the top before, and now there's less cream.

It's kind of my point.

I was thinking that I met someone from like three seasons ago. This happened like a year or two ago, but he was just a little cringey and kept talking about Bachelor Nation and how we're both a part of Bachelor Nation. All of them do that, though, but when have we ever said we're a part of.

Okay, sorry to sound conceded, but we're the ones that are lucky enough to have made it, and so obviously we're not going to necessarily like say that because we're not punching up as much as everyone else. I agree, I'm disgusting, but my point remains the same. Even after my season, there were guys from my season that didn't, you know, maybe get as many followers that were using me to bolster their social media, and it's just that's

People who always be better.

There are people I wish they could be in the that we're in, and that's what they strive for, is to be in the position that we're in. M hmm, that's my point. No one's gonna agree with that because I sound like a lunatic right now, and that's totally fine. I've had too much of this champagne anyways. That's gonna do it. For this week's episode of Suckers, gosh dang, and I put my foot in my mouth yet again.

That's what's new.

Yeah, Yeah, you live and you learn. Sometimes you just live and you don't learn anything. Be sure to tune in next week, where maybe we suck just a little bit less