Lost in the DMs

because I freaking know I nailed at that time. She's gonna be co hosting with us. Of course, Jared is uh in you know the quote unquote virtual studio as well. We are going to have a page Woolen on later on. Who is an Instagram model who slides into d m s of boys with girlfriends and she tries to bust them for the sake of their girlfriend's sanity. Um, that's all coming later. But first, Sydney, it's been a while since we talked to you, So phillis in we last

we heard from you. You were correct me if I'm wrong, I know you and the boyfriend were quarantining together somewhere, but it was still pretty new, right, so kind of what's the development since the last time we talked. So I had moved out of my l a apartment. I thought it would be temporarily last time that we spoke because COVID and things like shutting down and my least being up. So I was like, Okay, I'll just move over everything to his house temporarily. We'll just figure it out.

But um, it's what months now later and I'm still here. Um. So now we're in this domestic partnership thing and we're not married, but we're living together very permanently. So yeah, it's going well. And I'm in Ohio. Who know I think. I think this sentence we're not married, but lends the idea that eventually you will be married. Is that true?

I hope So at this point, because it's going well, I was looking at like health insurance, and technically, in like health insurance terms, we are a domestic partnership, so we could I could go on his health insurance if I wanted to. Um, but he didn't love that idea. What are the qualifications for a domestic partnership? I think you have to be living together for a certain amount of months and be like sharing resources and you know, paying for rent and things like that. So I think technically,

on paper we could be I could be on his insurance. Um. I didn't look into it any further because he was like, UM, I don't know if we shouldn't be doing all that, but that's good to know. That means I can jump. That means I can jump on Kalin's health insurance plans. Saved myself a couple of Yeah, Jackpot, so you're and you're in Ohio? You said, right, Yeah, I'm in Ohio, which is interesting for me because I was living in New York City for ten years, so super into the

city life. And then I was in l a for like a few months, and now I'm in like rural, rural Ohio. So um, it's definitely different life. But what do we think? Do we like it? What do you like it? Um? Well, when I was like go getter, like auditioning, doing that whole thing, like the city made sense. But now that I'm like twenty nine, I'm getting a

little older. It's kind of I'm like, oh, you're on the back nine, I know, but I feel like, I, you know, I'm getting close to thirty, Like it just feels nice to kind of relax, not saying that this is going to be like my permanent situation, but I feel like before I was like in the city, always working, like always hustling, always doing so much, and now just to kind of take this like slow down in this break and not focus on so much like work and hustling,

and focusing on like my relationship and like this romantic part of my life. It's been kind of nice. Mary, I do well. I always said, like I said this before. I know my mom was like waiting for that to happen any day now. But um, oh you think he'll propose soon? No, no, no, no no, I'm just like she's just very excited about things. And this is my first relationship, so she you know, moms just want you to be like happy and like set and good. So she she's down for that. But I mean things are

going really well. We're at a good pace. There's no

pressure on it. I always did say I would I would be one and done, And I think that's why I waited to be in a relationship for so long, because I knew that whoever I wanted to end up with would be pretty serious because I didn't want to do a lot of different relationships because I think I was just protecting myself in the back of my head, because I I, even though I come off really strong and like confident in all that stuff, like I'm sensitive in that way where I I don't think I could

handle a lot of devastating relationships. So I kind of like put the walls up until I was ready to like let them down. And I finally started letting them down and it's going well. So yeah, I would never want to just jump into something that wasn't going to be serious one day. So hopefully we get there. But have you noticed like the honeymoon phase at all wearing off or we're living together now, the phase kind of shuts off pretty quickly. We've had you guys have smelled

each other's poop. Is that what you're telling us. I'm pretty open with all those things. So yeah, I mean, you're just you're on each other. So it is an

adjustment and we are a newer relationship. But I think because of the way that we met and how we built this connection before we ever were in person with each other, we were constantly on the phone, We talked on FaceTime for three months, so we were in a pretty solid place before we had even met um because we were doing all this during the pandemics, so we had to be really serious about whether this was going to be something that we saw ourselves, you know, doing,

because we were in different states and you know, COVID restrictions and like being safe and all that stuff. So we had that, you know, agreements kind of beforehand, and then when we met in person it kind of solidified that.

So I think, yeah, we were much further along. But now that we're like living together and all my stuff is here, it definitely the honeymoon phase ends a little bit, but I mean it's still fun and we're still learning about each other and like learning about ourselves at the same time, because it's you learn a lot in relationship about like because they're like mirrors for who you are and like what you want to work on, what you

need to work on to make this relationship successful. So it is work, but it's all still fun because he's like my best friend and oh so sweet here. When are we going to get him as a guest? I know, I mean he's another room and come in. He's been on my podcast. He's actually very interesting. Um guy, he's

very interesting a lot. Yeah, yeah, you said he overcame some sort of uh he couldn't walk or something like that when he was He broke his neck in college and he was supposed to never walk again, and the practors were like, they did surgery on him and they were like, yeah, they're he's never going to walk in again, Start building ramps, start getting everything prepared in the house to his family, and then two or three days later he started getting sensation back, and the doctors like, yeah,

but that's not that's not real. That's just like you know, phantom muscles moving, that's not him. And then he was like, no, that's that's my body doing that. So then eventually he started to be able to get sensation back, and then he had to relearn how to walk. But he was supposed to never walk again, but it was five days later he was out of the hospital and walking, so kind of insane. So long term, are you guys going to walk out of Ohio and move back to l A,

New York. I mean, you know, you said you like Ohio now, but is he going to be able to see himself maybe moving to a city at some point. Yeah, so he has been. He's met my family a few times. We were just at Thanksgiving together. He he loves Virginia too, and um, I'm from Virginia Beach. That's like my hometown. So eventually I would like to be closer to my family. Right now, we're like ten hours away. So we've talked about it, the conversations there. I think it just kind

of we're gonna take it day by day. Um, but it's interesting. Like I was talking to Kendall long earlier about her and Joe and how like the fact that he wanted to stay in Chicago and she wanted to stay in like kind of ultimately what led to them breaking up. So that kind of freaks me out a little bit. But for now it's working. I just think with when something's right, you kind of and you know that you wanted to be your future that you kind

of make sacrifices. Are you kind of you know, agree on or you're supposed to be end up as a couple instead of individually. So I don't know, we'll see what happens, but for now, So you guys went to Virginia for Thanksgiving, Yes to see your family. What are you gonna do for Christmas? Are you gonna go see guy family? Um? So I see his famil all the time. But yeah, we're going to spend Christmas here and then we'll probably go see my family at some point around Christmas.

Was this the first time you ever brought a guy home for the holidays? Obviously? Right? Yeah, for sure that, Like, I mean, it was weird at first, and especially because you have to do the thing where like do we sleep in the same bed? Do we sleep in separate rooms? Like? How do we do that? And my I mean, my mom was good about it. She let us stay in the same room. It was interesting, but because we're already living together here, it just kind of made sense. It

was like okay and not weird. The fact that I was bringing someone home and we were staying in the same bed. In the way I had to sleep in a separate bedroom than Ashley when staying was until we were married, even though we lived together in Los Angeles, anytime we came here, I mean repect that. I respected it too, even when you were married. Uh no, no, no, before we got married. Okay, Okay, obviously we sleep in the same bedroom now because we quarantine here for I mean,

we're quarantined here for three months. Even though it would have been quite lovely to have my own bed for three months, I digress. Um, now we can, but we had to wait. Even when we were engaged in living together in Los Angeles, anytime we visited here, we were on separate floors. I mean she was on yep, I was in I was in the basement. I've always been pretty strict about that too. Now it's a little bit different.

But before, if I would ever go visit like a girlfriend's family, I would always be like, I'm sleeping on the cash. Like, even if you wanted me to sleep in the same room as you, I don't. I just don't think it's really appropriate, especially like at your parents house or something, you know what I mean. I mean

I offered and then they were fine with it. But before, like my brother would have girlfriends and he one of them one on vacation with us to Hawaii, and I had to sleep with her instead of him sleeping with the girlfriend. So I was I was kissed because I was like, you know, what's screw it, let them sleep together because I want my own bed. So they in the past I think again because I'm now older and because we already are living together. It just it was fine, um,

but it was interesting. Like one of the days, uh, Nick, my boyfriend went um golfing like my dad and my brother all day long without me. So like they did that whole thing, and I was super nervous about it because I like couldn't help, you know, have everyone get along. But it seemed like they did fine. Dolphin is the ultimate guy bond, Like there's nothing that just brings men together more than a nice eighteen hole. And Jared refuses to golf with me. Dude, I always want to golf

with you. You're the one. You were in Virginia for Thanksgiving and I was like, oh, let's go golf and You're like, well, I'm leaving the day after and it's like, for what, just stay? I know, I know, but you are always golfing and Tanner leaving me out. Anyways, said, do you feel any pressure with Christmas right around the corner as far as just like you know, if you

make getting married gifts first Christmas with a boyfriend. I mean, I don't know, you know, it's a lot because like you, essentially I have to get gifts for his whole family now, and he has a large family, so I'm like, I didn't budget enough for this, you know, things that you don't think about like that. But we're in a pandemic. Okay, everybody's getting a box of junior mids exactly, so there's things like that. But I mean, I spend so much

time around his family it's kind of chill. I don't know. We had a really steamless transition into this relationship, so I'm kind of like waiting for the other shooter drop but it hasn't and it seems to be going well. But I think it's just because we both were in

that place in our lives too. I want to make a seamless transition here, not to change gears or anything, but I do want to talk about how you and Becca were on tatious episode of the Bachelorette just recently, right, we were, yeah, last week, So full disclosure, I haven't really been watching um Caitlan tries to get me to watch with her. I just I just I just can't.

I don't know why. Maybe it's because I've been through you know, obviously we've all been through the process, but I was never really a fan before, and I just it kind of holds curious to tell me about your experience going back, but obviously not as a contestant this time, more so as like a sounding board, um and as a friend, right, so tell us about it. I like that better because it wasn't as dramatic for me. I

just got to be supportive to Tasia. I know, Jared, you just did it too, but yeah, I had I felt like I had control over the situation. I knew the script, I knew who it was, I knew what the date was like. It was a much better setting for me. I feel like for anyone it would have been better. Um, but it was fun. And like Tasha, I feel is should have been the bachelorette years ago. Like she's an incredible person. She's like celebrities. She just

like gives that like energy off. She can control a room, and I think like this was absolutely where she should have been. And I was so excited as her friend to get to witness her do that because she just looks so natural and the guys loved her that everyone on the show like loved her and just thought that

she was like this breath of fresh air. W she is so it's really cool as her friend to see and for me to be able to support her and help her find a guy that's going to be worthy of her was really exciting for me, and I got to see like in behind the scenes. They let me

into the Bachelorette bubble, which was cool. Um, it was interesting having a quarantine for that because I was nervous flying there and maybe catching COVID somehow and then having to stay in the hotel for like months would have sucked. So luckily that didn't happen. Did you did you tell Nick? Like he could have? Like? Where? Did it? Pretty funny? Like, Hey, Nick, I'm let me go on the Bachelorette. I'll see you later,

you know what I mean. Yeah. I actually didn't do a good job of like breaking the news to him because I was staying here and this was before I was living here, and I came home from like being with a friend one day and I was like, um, so, anyways, the Bachelor called me and so one of the producers wanted me to come on the show and he was like wait, what, Like what do you mean. I was like, oh, wait, I'm helping Tasha or whoever. The bachelorette was at the time,

because I didn't actually know it was Tasha. I'm helping the bachelorette with the date, and my my friend's gonna be there. It'll be fine, Like I'm not dating anyone. I'm just going to help them coming back, Okay, Like that's fine. But we're like, look, he's sort of on the topic which guys were your favorite? And obviously you're never gonna be on Paradise again. But if you were to go on Paradise again, which one of them would

you be once interested in? Okay, So on my date, I think it was like Bennett, Blake Easy, I'm trying to Riley, uh, Zack and Anny Kenny. Who's Kenny? Ye Kenny Kenny? Okay, yes, So it was like that group, and out of them, I thought she was like very very much by being with Zach. She wanted us to kind of push Riley out of his shell. I remember, and that I think that group she was I didn't know as well, it seemed to me and Becca, so she wanted to kind of get to know them better.

And I think that was the group that was a little bit more reserved or like holding back a little bit with her, so we had to push them, which is why we made them do ridiculous things like you know, proposed to her while after eating a pepper and drinking smoothies man out of bugs and things like that. So that was super fun to torture men. Um. Yeah, always a good time torturing guys. As far as like who I like for her out of everyone, I really like Ben.

I think that he's finally opening up, which is really cool to see. And I think that he's definitely gonna be a front runner. It's random that Spencer was her what is it first impression Rose, And no, we don't know him at all anymore. That's interesting. Um, But I also really like Ivan, so I feel like and I've been for me or the front runners right now, I've been watching on in off Tasia. First of all, like

you said, made for this role, she's amazing. And then also what you said about it's way better being a guest host than a contestant, Oh my god, it's a thousand times better. Oh it's the freaking best. It actually going back, and I'm sure you felt similar. I felt so grateful that I don't have to do it again. Not to say that I don't love the show. Not to say that I didn't love going through the process of the show. I really did. It was amazing meeting everybody.

I met my wife through it. But my god, the idea of going back and having to do it all over again and just finding the energy to do it again, the energy, like even for the one day of filming, I was like, oh my god, I'm exhausted. I don't know how you're staying up and doing this, Tasha. It's insane to think about like the hours it takes to find and then trying to fight for the lead, and then like fight for time and then try to stay out of the drama and not be concerned with other testints.

Oh no, no way. What did you think? Because I saw this last week when the guys were on the group day and they were all talking about vulnerability insecurities, and it was a really I saw it and it was one of my honestly favorite uh scenes from any Bachelor season. It was powerful and it was it just hit me. And and then Ben did something that was very interesting where he wanted to show his vulnerability not by his words but by his physical stature, and he

took his clothes off in frontation the other guys. So what did you think about that? Yeah, I want to say I did love the vulnerability aspect. I feel like you only get to see that on one on one day. It's usually on the show, and like that's the time that they tell their secret or their thing. But I felt like it was really cool and awesome to see all of every one of their sides of that. I mean, who doesn't want to see men naked? But like I don't.

I didn't feel that was being vulnerable. I feel like maybe I don't know that was interesting. I did like that he was vulnerable later in the date, but I thought that was it was a bold choice, so it makes you stand out. Um. I just don't know that that would have worked for every single guy there necessarily, But um, I did appreciate him being so open later on in the date. If Ben was trying to date me,

I wouldn't have liked it. Now, Tassia seemed emotionally moved by it, which to each their own, but for me, if you're not if you're thinking about entering a relationship with someone and they are unable to talk about their vulnerabilities and for some reason the only way they can express their vulnerabilities is by getting naked. I don't know. That's something we gotta work on because we've got a communication is most important part in a relationship, and so

we have to talk things through. You know, we can't always just take our clothes off. Yeah, you can't just get naked every time it gets hard, right pun intended? Yeah, but I agree, like there could have been. He has so much more to share. I feel like you can

you can sense that from him. But for whatever is that, he's not sharing any of it early like he would went up a little bit this last episode, but I feel like he needs to really pick it up because he's gonna, you know, fall behind if he's not being so open like a lot of the other guys are being like Ivan and all the other ones on that date. So I agree, all right, said, well we're gonna take a quick break. Um, thank you for your insight. Onto

tacious season of The Bachelorette. But I'm excited for this next bit because we have Paige Woolen, who is an Instagram smoke show. It's funny we say that because of the Bachelorette Instagram smoke show that slides into guys d M s per the request of their girl friends to see if they will slip up and try to meet up with them and commit some infidelities that we don't want, So stay tuned for that. It's gonna be interesting. We

will be right back after this quick break. Welcome back to help I suck at dating Dean, myself, Sydney are all still here. We have a very special guest on the line. She is the Instagram model that helps catch women catch their men cheating by sliding into their d M s uh. She also runs the count Dudes in the d M. It is Page Woodland. Page. Thank you so much for joining us. How are you? Thanks for having me. I'm great. I'm so excited to be on

here with you. So I heard you met Dean before, So did you catch Dean and the d M san. I'll let you take this one. How about how about you? Yeah, I'll tell the story about how Page and I met.

I I don't really remember, but it was back when when I first moved to Los Angeles, Like right at the first month, we had a bottomless Mimosa brunch with a bunch of friends and then we uh then went to a house party, and somewhere along the way, pages friend group and my friend group I think met up and and then we had to hung out a couple of times just around l A, like partying and all

that kind of stuff. But unfortunately, there, I mean unless page and it maybe not something I don't know, but there was never any juicy DM sliding, which is a little unfortunate. Yeah. God, I would have been made it for a juice your podcast for we were we were working on getting you, um scheduled in for the podcast and everything, and then all of a sudden your picture pops up and I was like, oh my gosh, I know this person. This is gonna be hilarious. So yeah,

called out. Yeah, called out, So Paige first of all telling people exactly what you do. And I'm curious how it all started. Yeah, So, um, you know, I started dudes in the d M actually at the beginning of quarantine. Um, you know, I post a lot of bikini lingerie photos

on Instagram. So I was receiving a lot of crazy d ms, you know, funny, creepy, harassment, you know, just all everything, all sorts of things, and I thought, you know, I think the world needs to see this, I think people might be surprised that, you know, models and all these different kinds of people get different kinds of d m s and their d M So I thought, you know what, I'm gonna put this up and just show people. I'm gonna black out everyone's name so I don't get

taken down by Instagram. Um. And then recently, you know, a week and a half ago, I was like six classes of wine deep and I thought to myself, I thought, you know what, these guys keep dm ng me with their girlfriends in their profile photos, Like I wonder if these girls know. So I threw up a story and I said, Hey, any of my girl followers, you know, messaged me on my main account at page Woolen, and I'll DM your boyfriend will slide into his d m s and see like what goes on there. Dangerous. It's

super dangerous. Like that's terrifying, but also you're doing the right thing. So have you gotten like some crazy stories about to find out if their dude is going to cheat on them? Well, okay, so you know, before the story sort of exploded, I had like thirty thousand followers on my account. Dudes in the d M you know, since it's on sort of like crazy viral, and I've had maybe ten thousand messages from females saying things like, I'm pregnant, you know, my fiance I know is cheating.

I just need to see it in black and white. Like these crazy, crazy stories have sort of, you know, sliding into my d M s now that this sort of went viral, it's really it's really interesting. That's super interesting. So do you are you the one that responds to the guys? Yes? Yeah, because you're you're your Your responses are kind of my favorite part, not even the d M s. Like one dude so on the dudes in the d M, one of them says, I want to play coronavirus and get spread on hard surfaces and then

you respawn only if you last fourteen days. And I was like, the response is so much better than the d M. Yeah, I try, thank you, I try. I mean, you know, I want to shed light on cyber bullying and show people, you know, I like to laugh through trauma, which I should probably see a therapist about, but I think like finding humor in things that are maybe not

so humorous. Um, it was the way to go from me so I thought, if I could start a community of people that maybe risk also steve like threatening you know d ms or funny dms, and we can start a community where we can talk about it, then maybe we can shed some light on like what's really going on and like the dark you know hallways of the d ms. So it's like it's like an empowering thing. I think is like is really where it stems from?

It sounds like yeah, yeah, I'm trying. I mean, I'm trying, and I think like a lot of women and even men have said, oh gosh, you know, I send dms like this, but reading it on someone else's I realized that it's offensive. So like, I'm not going to be that creepy anymore because it's hard to you know, some guys, of course, are joking. Um, you know, I'm sure you guys have. I don't know if you guys have read

some of them. Some of them, I'm sure you know they say in a joking way, but it comes across like not joking online it's hard to tell the tone. Oh my gosh. If I I mean, listen, if if people can go back and read some of the d ms that I've sent, a either as a bad sarcastic joke or be when I was just like drunk and messing out with my friends. I'm sure do you remember

one of that? I would die of embarrassment. I mean I know of one in particular, but there's a zero percent chance I would ever share that publicly with anyone. All block out your name. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah. So I'll be paying attention to dude in the d M very closely over the next couple of days because it will be Dean's d M. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. It's just as jokes, especially like when you're in like a social environment, you're hanging out with your friends, You're like,

how funny would it be if I said this? And then you send it? And then like a day later, you're like, wait, that was the dumbest thing I could have ever possibly said. Why would I ever say that? Was it like a pickup line or was it something

a little further than that. It was one of those things where my friends were like where I was like, Oh, this girl's really cute, and my friends were like, oh my god, say this to her, and then I said it to her, and then I looked back on it like a couple days later, and I was like, why would I ever do that? Yeah, if I'm always were telling you to send it? Yeah, exactly, And the receipts are there, and I don't like, I don't know if there was any recourse or anything taken because of it.

I don't know if there were screenshots. But my point is, uh, I imagine at least from like me, from my perspective, and maybe guys that I would call my friends, A lot of them do it jokingly, but I would have bet you as well. And Paige, you probably know the best that a lot of them are serious when they

say those weird things, right. Oh yeah, And since you know I, you know, I was on all sorts of different platforms, um, and it was interesting the mail driven platforms, you know, like Big Boys, Channel, whatever, the Shade Room, all of those. You know, I've been getting hundreds thousands of d ms from guys with just the rat emoji over and over and over again, and like people are calling me like a snitch and like a homeworking horror.

I don't know if I can say that, but um, And so it's interesting to see a sort of a gender divide kind of with the women being really supportive and the men just calling me like master Splinter and like it's been it's been really interesting, Splinter because they're getting caught. So that's why they're getting If you weren't the wrong, you wouldn't be so Yeah, bad about trigger. I think that. Yeah, the guys, it's it's kind of nice.

It's a nice filter too, because the guys that are saying that those types of things to you are the guys that you're outing, and so it's like it's kind of adding themselves as you guys as well, you know what I mean. So it's kind of like a I don't know. I think it's good. I think you're doing a good service for the girls out there. We talked a lot about this on the podcast, like what is cheating? What is not cheating? So page, what do you constitute

is cheating? Like a guy just answering you, is that too far? Should he answer at all? Or is it like when he asked for a picture or when he wants to hang out? So you know, the thing that I was doing with the whip Like for me personally, if you're answering, I'm like, why are you answering this random bikini mo. No girl wants their boyfriend talking to one that, especially if you don't know. So that's for me personally. But with these women that I was sort

of helping out every step of the way. I would screenshot it and send it to her and say, Okay, what do you want me to say? Because I always wanted her to feel like she had the power with the conversation and that I wasn't overstepping any boundaries. Um. I mean you know one one like one girl was like, oh, can you like send him nudes? And I'm like, what, I Am not sending your boyfriend nude to me? Like

that's crazy. So I let the I let the girls hold all the power so that I wasn't overseepping any boundaries. Interesting as as you grow bigger, have you have has anyone identified you in the d MS before you go to the process? Dude, Like they know who you are? Yeah. So one of the actually it was a guy that was following me like like night one, I messaged like fifty guys and one guy said like, ha hat jokes on you etiot. I already followed Yeah, he was like

it's hilarious. Yeah, he was ready and and and something like one guy was like, I know this is the trap. A couple of guys thought that I was a bought you know. Once said like you know, no, I don't want to sign up for your only fans. Like, so I didn't get a bunch of guys saying like, oh yeah, let's go to poundtown. Some of them were respectful of their girlfriends and like mean to me. I was called like a Walmart Kardashian, which I think is fun. Yeah,

so yeah, there was all sorts of responses. I feel like, as you get bigger, you should be like an agency and you should have different accounts and women doing this so that it's not all you. So that way you can make this into this like big industry totally because I want to. I really do want to help all the women in my d ms. But now I'm like, she's like, you know, with with my face sort of being like plastered everywhere. I'm not everywhere, but you guys

know what I mean. I just feel like, Okay, the jig is that how can I you know, I can't like put on a wigs and well that could be kind of fun potentially, but I need more more women exactly to sort of uncover these cheaters. How is dudes in the DM affected your personal dating life? Is it weird for like, if you're dating a guy or if you're whatever and the like, does he get upset about it? Or is that like a weird barrier? Well, you know,

I am painfully single. Okay, it's painful, it hurts. But um, sometimes times when guys slide into my d M s and let's say they're like, you know, a celebrity, he'll say, he'll slide in there and then he'll have a conversation and then he'll start on sending them because he'll look through my profile see I own a dudes in the d M account, and then he'll be like, oh shoot, I don't want the scroll to put me on blasts. So I think I think there is like a level

of life. And I never posted with names like you could see that if you fall the account. But I think there is like a level of like you know, like no one really wants to be like exposed like that. So but you know, it's all it's all for good fun and it's all just to build up like a

community people, right. I think that the censorship of the names of the accounts too, is pretty key, right, Like you're not You're not purposefully it's entertainment at the end of the day to like, yes, you're helping the women catch their their infidel boyfriends, but also you're sharing it aunties with the d m s because it's a entertaining obviously because you have so many followers on that now and be you know, it's kind of like a double

edged sword, I guess, right for sure, for sure, absolutely, what's the craziest story? Have you exposed someone who's been married with three kids? You know? Not that I know, Like I didn't I didn't start getting like extreme backstories until the article sort of exploded. But one girl was like planning on marrying this guy and she's and he said like in text, no I don't have a girlfriend, let's meet uh And you know, it broke my heart.

But I screenshot it and sent it to her and she literally said she literally said, I just I just needed to see it from my own eyes, like you saved my life. So and she blocked him on everything, and like, I mean, it is messy and it's not like I like, you know, like those responses, but you know, it just sort of like happened one day. M hm, you're doing the lord's work page. That's all I can say.

I try, I'm trying, I'm trying, and you're you're finding a good way to keep yourself entertained during quarantine too, which is great. Exactly being exactly, We'll make sure everybody listening you follow Page Woodland on Instagram. Of course it is at Page Woodland, and of course make sure you guys follow at Dudes in the d M because there's some really good content on there and I'm very excited to see Dean's dam up there very soon. Page. Thank you so much for joining us, Thanks for having me.

I'm so excited. Thanks Page, You're gonna see you again. Good to see you. Welcome back to help I sect at dating. That was an awesome segment Dudes and the d M s. I actually just started following them, and I'm very excited specifically to see your d ms once again. But we have a great special guest on here, so we're gonna start a new segment and once again we really need easily and get like some sort of sound effect that that that that that that sucky dating stories.

So that's a segment right there, we're gonna start talking about people sucky dating stories. Because our podcast is called help I Suck at Dating. We there's so many things that we suck at in relationships and dating, and one thing that we all suck at sometimes is dates. Sometimes we suck on dates, and so we really want to hear more sucky dating stories. So anybody listening out there, if you have a horrible date story and it was one of the suckiest experiences you've ever had on a date,

please email us d MS. We want to hear from you. Guys. We want to hear about your stories. But first and foremost, we have very special guest. She works with us. She works on I Heart Radio. She's a producer on this show. She's fantastic. Riley. Hello, Hey, how's it going wonderful? How are you? I'm good. I'm ready to talk about my sucky dating stories. I was about say, I mean, you're the first person ever for this segment my sucky dating story. So, Riley,

what's your sucky dating story? Yes? So, I'm a bit like a fly that runs into a window when it comes to dating apps, Like I hit the window, but I try again. So this one, um, I went on a date a few weeks ago and he was completely my type. I was excited. We met up. Um, we spent like three hours talking like. I thought it went great. When he walked towards me, I felt like the heavens

opened up because he was he was just so good looking. Um. I thought it went great, and I was like, this is the first time in a year that I enjoyed a date. So I was excited. I was like, Okay, this could be something. UM. So fast forward, we plan on going on another date. Um, it's like Thanksgiving. So I check in to talk about our date, and the first thing he says is, how is Carl's Bad? And it's like, um, who went to Carl's Bad? We never

talked about Carl's Bad. We never talked about you know, me ever going to Carl's bad, or knowing anything about girl's bad. Um. So I knew right there that he had mixed me up with somebody else, that he had been talking to you. He tried to play it off he had just moved here from New York, so he said, oh, I thought that was just something that l A people do on holiday. That's a horrible way to play it off. Um.

So yeah. I was like, well, you know, I felt special on the date, but I don't feel special anymore. It should have been like my mom was going to Carl's bed. I was just checking up on her. You want to know what's so funny about that is I I think I don't know if you guys remember, but when I shared my first I'm sorry, my worst bumble or dating app story date, that was exactly the same situation. The girl kept mixing me up with other guys that she had been on dates with, and I was like,

this is the worst. It's like, I don't feel special at all. Yeah, Dean, I'm sure. I'm sure you've spent the majority of your dating life only talking to one girl at a time. My point is right where you're coming from. I'm sorry to do with that, you know, onto the next gues here. Here, here's the question for you. So it went really well. You guys went on one day, right. Do you think it was improper for him to talk

to other girls at the same time. No, not at all, And I like, I didn't take any offense to it. It was more of like, that's just not where I am where I want to date multiple people at once. And like, if you're going to date multiple people, like keep them straight, you know what I mean. So it's clearly he was not just dating one other girl, because I feel like you'd be able to keep that straight.

But he was clearly dating multiple people. And he can't even remember where you went for the holidays and it was like a week ago. So that's problematic. Yeah, in that regard, Yeah, yeah, I put in the effort to remember facts and names. That was he apologetic about it

at all? Or he was just like lying, No, he was just lying like he tried, like he tried to play it off and then he I knew it was he that he knew he messed up because I didn't respond right away, and he responded with like this paragraph of like, oh well, I thought this is just what people doing in l A. Like he knew he was caught. That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. This is I just thought everybody goes down there, it's like the cool

thing to do. So Riley, let me ask you this, if he would have been honest about it, would you have given him a second chance? Yeah? Like I think if he was like, oh shoot, I'm sorry, I messed up, like I am dating multiple people. I would have I would have been like okay, but he never pursued it further to like he goes to me, like I didn't hear from him after that, Like so I think he was just like, Yeah, this is not a guy you

want to date. Honestly, it was probably better that you found out this way early on rather than God forbid, like more dates down the line and you gain feelings for this guy and you find out that he's like dating six other girls and he didn't even give you time to day to just be honest with you and and then ghost you. Screw this guy. This guy sucks. We'd have to get dudes in the d M for you would be a whole thing. So we took care of it already, so we got that connection. Yeah. Well, Riley,

thank you so much for your story. We really appreciate it. Once again, everybody listening, Please d m us, email us, contact us, texting, you can call Sydney, do whatever you need to do to tell us about your sucky dating stories. We're gonna be sharing at least one per week. Um, we do have a couple of dating terms. I know. Once again, we've been doing this every week. So Sydney, I think you were on the podcast last week or last time we did this as well. We we come

with dating terms and I looked them up. I find out the deafit mission, I asked Dean, I asked Easton, Becky, whoever else wants to chime in? Uh to tell ask them what they think it means, and then I give them the definition afterwards. So do you want to play along? I would love to play along? Perfect. So the first dating term that we have today kind of sounds disgusting. I'm not gonna lie. It's called roaching. So what do

you think roaching means in the dating world? Oh? God? Um? Okay, actually represent like death and dirty and New York City apartments like I had, Uh, roaching, I'm gonna I'll take this one while you think and while you ust do on it said, it sounds good, So roaching my mind, when it comes to roaching is like when we're talking

about a roach, what are we talking about? We're talking about that last little bit of a joint that you haven't smoked yet that you can't really you can't really hold on to, right, but it's it's hard to hold onto it. You can maneuver it proper really, and you can get your last little puff before you throw it away. So my opinion, roaching is holding on to the last little bit of a relationship for dear life, trying to get it as much as you can out of it,

knowing it's on its last leg. M. Interesting with Sydney, you got any anything you want to bounce off that. Usually I feel like when you see roaches it's a sign to get out. Like my last apartment, I started getting roaches and I was like, it's time to leave New York. So maybe it's signs of needing to leave a relationship. I don't. Usually, Yeah, if you see roaches, get the hell out of there. So roaching, Uh, Mark, I think Mark wants to chime in, Mark, I have

a guest, Oh, I love it. Please. You know what happens when there's a roach and you turn the light on it vanishes? I think you figure out something about someone, like oh, she found out about the fact that I was seeing multiple women or something, and he just goes. He's gone, he vanishes. You never see him again. So you shining a light on the roach and then the roach gets out. Interesting Eastern do you have anything you want to jump in here on any ideas about what

roaching could be. I mean I was going to go down the same road as Mark I figured, like because I was thinking that too. Um. But but where my mind was going is when you turn the light on, usually you see a bunch of them. So I'm thinking when when when like you learn more about this person, you're going to find out a bunch of really bad They've been hiding a lot of bad things from you, And so this could be like a new term for

skeletons in the closet. Yes, that's what I was thinking, Not like they physically lead like they're gonna ghost to you. I just think that there's gonna be a bunch of like negative stuff that's going to appear interesting. All very good guesses, ladies and gentlemen. I want to I want to point out to its funny when Easton was was talking about how there's a lot of roaches between the light on Sydney's like pts. It was so heart attack

every time I wanted my kitchen. Yeah. So roaching in the dating world is what happens when the person you've been seeing regularly, usually for a few months, it is hiding the fact that they've been dating other people. Mark honestly, Mark and Easton pretty nicely done. So the real clincher here, though, is when you find out about it and bringing up in discussion with them, they claim that they didn't realize

you were in a monogamous relationship together. The name roaching apparently comes from the theory that whenever you see one cockroach, there are several more that you are not seeing. So while you were dating this one person and there was a sense of implied exclusivity, they've been seeing a plethora of other people. Nicely done. I think that was like a group effort right there. Everybody got a little piece of that one, right. I'm I'm the only one clapping,

so I'm the only one, all right. So we'll do one more dating term before we get out of here. Let's do cookie jarring. What could be cookie jarring in the dating world? What could be cookie jarring? Anyone else? Anyone you get caught with your fingers in the cookie jar It's catching a guy dabbling, catching a guy flirting on Instagram, catching a guy just spending time with someone.

You didn't catch them cheating, but you're catching him kind of laying the groundwork, right, Okay, okay, Easton, who has cookie jars anymore? I mean, my grandma has a cookie jar. I I love cookies, I don't have one. I think it's when you catch someone with a much older person that's that's far too inappropriate. That's what I think. Not if there's anything wrong with that, but it does happen, right right, right, okay here. So, so when I was a kid, our cookie jars were probably a little different

than most cookie jars. We would like to throw there's kind of like a melting pot of cookies. You know, we'd open up a bunch of different cookies and throw them on the cookie jar, and you kind of like reach in whatever cookie you pulled out. It's the cookie you're gonna eat, you know, be oreos, chips, ahoy l fudges, those types of things. Um So, in my opinion, cookie jarring is and you you never look in the cookie jar.

When you look, you know, you kind of just pick your fingers through the through the lid and then down the cook jar and pick up cookie out. And so that's what it is. If you get caught cookie jarring, you're getting caught kind of like blindly deciding and picking who you're going to go on a date with or talk to you that night. Interesting. It sounds kind of sexual to me. Um, when I think of cookie, I think of like lady parts, So um, something sexual involving.

Is there a specific when it comes time? No? Um, it just reminds me of just like something hansy cop and a feel Maybe something like that, I'm not sure sweet. Speaking of sweet uh, Dean, thank you so much for reminding me that el Fudge cookies exist, because I haven't had one of those in like ten years, and it's been an awful ten years. And you're good man back, come on, damn, those are so good, so good the best they melt in your mouth. Cookie jarring the reverse

form of benching. So if you've been seeing someone and have yet to dtr A k A to find the relationship, and then you find out that they've been seeing someone else behind your back, you have been cookie jarred. That is keeping you handy in case their other person doesn't work out. So that's cookie jar And like you guys said, so like you know they have some people on the back burner. You know, you you're with someone you having to find the relationship, and then you find out that

person is seeing other people as well. But there's a bunch of you in the jar, and there's many cookies in the jar. Yeah. The fact that this is so common, that these terms exist is very upsetting to me. It's quite sad. I don't love that. Okay, I've got a pseudo relationship update. I was I guess you could share that might Oh my god. Yeah, you went to Klin's family for Thanksgiving conversation That actually wasn't the conversation starter that I was originally thinking of. Kaylin and I bought

a house together where Yeah. Well, I'm not gonna share where it is yet because we still have yet to actually get qualified for our loan. Um, what time zone is it in? Yeah? I think it's in the Pacific time zone. Yeah, so it's not too far. It's driving distance from Los Angeles. You have somewhere to park your van now permanently. Yeah, I've got a two car garage. I've got a nice big driveway that's right now. Dean's

gonna park his van and Kaylin's driveway. Yeah well, yeah, I mean it's been parked in her driveway for a little bit now, especially you know with COVID and all that kind of stuff. But yeah, that's my big news to share. We're buying a house together. Uh. We're also renting a house together too, so we're moving into with each other two times over. Um, so we're gonna be homeowners and home leasers at the same time, which is just the most cost efficient thing we could have possibly

thought of. Dude, that's awesome. Congratulations. Yeah, thanks, thanks, So I'll keep you guys posted in the in the home uh approval process, because like I said, we bought the house, they've given us the house, but we still have to get a proof of our loans first, so it's gonna take some time. So is it is it turnkey or is it a fixer upper two turn key? So it's under construction. It's not even finished yet, but once it's finished, it'll be ready to live in. It'll be finish in April. Uh.

We're pretty stoked where you know where it's. It's a big step. I've never thought I never thought i'd be a homeowner, so pretty excited. Honestly, that's awesome, man. Thanks, Thanks Mark, You're you're going to say something before we left, Well, Becky has something to show off, but I don't know if she wants to do it. I think I was told she doesn't want to do it, but I feel like she should do it. I'll do it, Okay. Is

it an engagement ring? Engagement ring as in California? Yeah, if you like an engagement ring, it's out to Mario. What's up? Guys? How are you man? Where are you guys? Right now, we're in l A. We didn't go to New York after all, it's not safe enough to be client. Nice. Nice, It's so good to see you. This is it's like a This is like our Thanksgiving. It's like we're all coming together, turning our cameras on and saying hi. Worlds

are colliding. This is great for the first time we get to see you guys together to This is my first first frame of you guys in the same one, So it's nice. How does it look? How does the frame? Oh? You guys look so good. You guys are the most attractive couple I've ever seen. I feel like a proud parent. Sydney. We actually like met in the d M S as well. It works right, Yeah, and we talked for like a month before we actually met in person. Yeah, I am

a big component of it. I think it. I think is the best way to date these days because you really get to know someone and you can trust before you get to meet them in person. Yeah, he heard me on help I sec at dating. Oh my god, he's a suck suck army guy. He is. Now what we do, Sidney, We bring people together, we form relationships people together. Tomorrow if we ever see you on Dudes in the d M though, oh man, it's gonna be was gonna break not. I like it. Well, Becky, you

are certainly glowing right now. So I'm happy that Tomarrio is out there in Cali right now. You guys have fun, enjoy yourselves. Uh, don't don't do anything I wouldn't do, which is pretty much nothing because I'm very boring. Um see you guys, all right, Well, thank you guys for joining us. Big thank you to Sydney Lutwaco. I'm just gonna keep saying your last name because when you know a word, it's just fun to say. You know, when you know what, when you know the answers to the test,

you want to take the test kind of thing. Um, big thank you to Sidney Lutuwaco. Big thank you to Jared. I'm not gonna say his last name because I always go back and forth if it's Haben or High Bond, I don't really know. Keep Mark Easton, Becky DeMar. Thank you guys, and of course Paige, we'll in be sure to follow her dudes in the d M or at page. Will in be sure tune in next week where maybe

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