Just a Bling Thing

Happy Sunday, Happy Sunday. Where this guy's listing it? It's Friday, Yeah, but this air is on a Sunday. Get with it, dude. Fair point, fair point. I think this is the first time in the history of podcasts that we're recording one person is recording on an Apple Watch. I feel very proud to be a part of it. This is futuristic. This is definitely this is definitely history in the making.

Hopefully the audio quality is up to snuff. Klin just bought some loud, crinkly Starbucks bags and she is terrified of crinkling them. That's good stuff, right there. Yeah, I just I just shot her a look and I told her that she better take that outside of the car to eat it somewhere else because it's a little too nicey. But we got a great episode for you guys to do. What I gotta know, are you guys staying park the

entire time you're recording. Yeah, well, I don't want to drive and like louse service halfway through the podcast, so she just has to sit there and listen to you talk. I've encouraged her to get out, walk around. There's a Walmart down the street. She could go for shopping at the Walmart. I mean, listen, it's not ideal, don't get me wrong, but this is this is the life we've chosen to live, and so we're gonna live it to the best of our ability. I guess I like it.

I like it. We've got a great episode for you guys this week, though. We want to talk some some hot topics with you guys, some hot gas. We've got some some great guests this week, and then we'll get to the listener emails just like we can normally do. So. Uh, the first things first, Jared, I think we should discuss this. Last week's podcast, we discussed Peter and Key Least breakup. This week's podcast we at least have to touch on

Claireen Dale's breakup. Do we not? Oh dude, yeah, I mean it feels like do we have to watch out? It feels like there's like this force just breaking bachelor couples up one at a time. I'm I'm like watching over my back right now. I feel bad. There's so many bachelor couples that have breaken up. It's so sad. I mean, Evan is the worst for me. I'm not gonna lie. Oh yeah, Evan and Carley broke up. It's definitely the last month there's been a lot of negative

energy and Bachelor Nation. Uh, and the most recent to succumb to it our Clarien Dale. So we talked a little bit about Clarien Dale, I think when they first got together. But what's your impression of everything that's happened. I mean it feels like Claire was all in and Dale wasn't not to not to make assumptions on things I don't know about, but as being a podcast host,

you have to have an opinion or else it's pretty boring. Yeah, dude, Like I was watching, Uh, I was talking to Ashley about it, and I remember that clip I don't know if you watched Claire season at all, but they had kind of like an after the final rose with Dale and Claire where Claire was like talking about how she wanted babies and she wanted them immediately and they could have kids before they got married, and let's just see

what happens. And you can tell tell that Dale was just internally freaking the f out, like he knew that he didn't know what the hell to do. That's what the problem was. And I just feel like, I don't know. I I was rooting for Claire and Dale. I was wishing that they'd work out, because I was rooting for Claire, Like I never met Dale. I have really no investment in Dale. But you know, knowing Claire, she's been on

so many seasons, she's so ready to settle down. She's so ready to have kids in a family, and that's exactly what she was looking for when she wanted to become the bachelor at And to know that it just didn't work out so soon afterwards, I guess is good in one sense because at least like she can wash her hands with it, because I don't think Dale is ready to settle down. But in the other hand, it's so sad because here she is single once again. So what do you think the reason for their breaking up?

Obviously it's just but what do you think it was? Do you think it was that there is so much pressure on it? I think Dale just wasn't as into it as Claire was. I mean, I have no inside knowledge. I truly do not know. I'm talking out of my ass right now. But from seeing you know, how their relationship developed on the show, to where they were at after the show to Instagram, it just seemed like Claire

was more into it than Dale was. And I think Dale, I think Dale not that to say like he was solely in it for the fame, but like I think Dale just wanted to go on the show, and you know, go on it for multitude of reasons, just like we all do. Like Dean, I'm sure you can agree with this, Like sure, we go on the show to possibly find a part, or like we also go on the show because it's a freaking TV show and it's a awesome experience,

something that will never experience ever again. And like we get to be on TV and we get to like maybe gather a following on social media and it's just like more so now than ever, but like you just

go on the show for so many reasons. I feel like Dale just went on for the experience, and then all of a sudden, this girl, you know, this woman, Claire, fell head over heels for a madly in love and I felt I felt like he was always trying to pretend, not pretend, but like he was always trying to make it seem he was on the same page as Claire, when I just don't think he was. Granted, what the

hell do I know? Right, I've got a couple of things that I want to at least add to that is I find it kind of interesting and ironic in a way that like Dale is, you know, he's like this aspiring host whatever that means, like whatever he wants the host, I don't know. But now he's kind of like made himself out to be the bad guy, and it's like, who's gonna want to have Who's gonna want

to hire this guy after? Because I mean, I'm only assuming that he's the reason they broke up, right, Like he probably was the one that what made the decision for them, judging by Claire's Instagram where she said that I just wasn't made aware of a mutual statement by

both of us. Yeah, it sounds like Dale is the one that kind of took it in his own hands, say we're breaking up, and so it's like, I feel like he's kind of shot his own career in the foot before he even had the chance to get going, because you know, now that he's a public figure, like he's going to be scrutinized for all this stuff and rightfully,

so don't get me wrong. Um. And then my my second thought on that too is I don't think there's a problem with going on the show to get like Instagram clout or whatever, you know, like as long as that's not your only, uh main objunctive. Like I was pretty honest about going on Paradise the second time just to like maintain an Instagram following so I could continue to live the black side that I was living of, like traveling and you know all that stuff. I don't

think that's necessarily a bad thing. I do think it's bad when you go on the show and then you end up getting engaged to someone and then you know you're still prioritizing like Instagram fame over your engagement, and I think that's really you know, we're all just kind of um ah shooting in the darct or because you don't know exactly what happened. But let's say Dale went

on the show to gain like some notoriety. He did that, and then he if you want to do that's fine, but then you just don't get engaged at the end of it. So at least just be honest, be honest with your partner and be like, hey, listen, I'm I'm still developing feelings for you. I really like you. I don't think I'm where you are at right now, which to Claire was like having kids tomorrow. Um. I think

that was probably his downfall. I would assume that he uh was just not on the same page and was probably nervous to admit that because everything happened so fast and were like, I get it, dude, Like you know, especially in this bachelor world, things just happened so freaking fast, and then before you know it, you're like, holy hell, I'm engaged and I don't know how I feel about this girl, don't know where I'm at. Is this what I want? You know? And so I get that, like

things kind of spiral out of control. But at the same time, like you said, you gotta just be up front and honest. Maybe that's what happened. I also just don't if Claire did not have any participation in his rebuttal, his his you know, announcement. Dude, that's so messed up because I'm reading it right now and it starts off like I wanted to share with you that Claire and I have decided to go everyways fine, it's only fine. But then he goes, we appreciate the love and support.

We strongly believe in leading with love and always remaining. We only hope the best for things for one another. And it's like, bro, you cannot say that if Claire was not involved in this statement. The last part two is really what what stuck with me? When he says we really hope the best for each other. When he's like, of course he hopes best for Claire, but he's basically saying Claire hopes the best for me, It's just like it's a little like narcissistic. I think it's funny to

to think about their situation in a weird way. Is like a watered down version of yours, an Ashley situation, right, like guy and Girl go on TV show. Girl really wants guy, guy doesn't maybe necessarily want her at first. Ah, I don't know, it's just it's like a it's like a different version obviously, but it's it's somewhat similar. See. I think it's more similar to your relationship because you went on Paradise. You guys had a relationship, Kalen wanted

to pursue that relationship. You didn't, you left and then you Because maybe it's not similar. I don't think it's actually similar to either one of our relationships now, Like I'm thinking here, I think the only similarities we can draw between the three situations is that the guys are assholes. Obviously, guys are always the assholes. We we know this from are three years of doing this podcast. I think you can do that similarity similarity across most relationships, but not

to say, you know, women are absolved from being jerks. No, they're not perfect. Kayla just looked at me, not at her head, and said, yeah, I'm in a real big jerk sometimes. I wonder if ye Ashley can be a jerk sometimes, now, can you? Yeah? Yeah, she said, yes, we're all in the wrong sometimes, kay Kayl can you be a jerk sometimes, she says, never unbelievable. I actually kind of believe that she's so sweet and innocent, Like I can't see has Kaylin ever been like angry? Yes,

she has been angry, very very very often. She's angry right now actually as a matter of fact. So, uh, maybe we should go on to another topic before she lashes out and does something. I think to end that topic just to say I, of course we're wishing the most the best for Claire, and I'm wishing the best for Dale to like, I don't know, there's all these

rumors that he cheated on her. Uh and then but then like somebody are saying, no, that's just her his friend and they've been friends for a while, and like I have friends that are girls too, so like I kind of get that. I don't know what the truth is, but more importantly, I just hope the best for Claire. Obviously we both have have you ear Nick Claire? Yeah, I was n batch to the winning games there, that's right.

So we both are friends with Claire, um, and we just know, like I know how ready she is to find a guy, and I was really hoping it was Dale, even though you know there are certain red flags throwing up in the beginning, but it didn't work out. So just wishing the best for Claire uh and Dale, I wish I don't want to hate on day. Definitely wishing the best for Claire. But that's where that's where we differ. I'm not wishing the best for Dale. He needs to

needs he needs to learn the error of his ways. Yeah, all right, I can agree with that if if, if, what we're spewing is true, like yeah, he needs some you know, some sense of learning throughout this thing. But also at the same time, I don't want to do to like be crying every night by himself. That would be sad um. I don't think he's crying. That's I

think that's also another reason. Like I haven't seen much, but I have seen, like like sometimes in my four youth page things pop up and he's like smiling talking to t MZ like it's not cool. And he didn't walk away either. He like he pulled his mass down and kind of walked with them, and it was like, bro, don't like, it's just not a good look for you, man, Just walk away, go, don't say anything. Just that I wish the best for Claire and then like, you know,

move on. And that's why, that's why I'm saying, you shoot himself in the foot. He just keeps shooting himself in this But and like I mean, he has he hasn't, Like I don't know, I don't know. Maybe we should just move on. But yeah, I agree, like you definitely want the best for both of them, Like, hopefully he realizes the mistakes he's made. If he's made mistakes, I'm sure Claire made mistakes too. But yeah, at the end of day, you just want the best for goal for them.

But well, I do have a question for you, Dean. Yeah, have you and Caitlin watched Bridgerton brig No, but I keep hearing about it, Okay, I was hoping you guys watch it. Ashley watched it. Caitlyn just silently quinched her fist and said, oh, it looks so good. Have you watched it? Oh? Yeah, she did watch it without me once. I remember she was like unpacking the house and cleaning things. And once she was doing that, she was packing and

then she came in raved about how good it was. Well, there was an InStyle article about Drew Barrymore who said that Britain inspired her to get back on dating apps, which is quite interesting because from what I've seen from the show, it's a little risk ay to say the least. I don't know if Caitlin can speak upon that, but it seems like, uh, like porn for women. That's how Ashley described it to me. I'm not describing it like that. That's the way Ashley, my wife, who has watched the show,

told me. It was sounds like fifty shades of Yeah. That's why. I don't know. It looks like it it's just like this one dude who's like smoking hot and it looks like he's just sleeping with I don't know if it's one woman, multiple win. I don't know the show all that well, but like I don't know, Apparently it inspired Drew barry and get back on dating apps. So if you're out there and you're on you know, you're a dating app? What what app do you think

Drew Barrymore is on? Oh? Definitely what the what is that one? Um ran? Oh? Yeah, don't think he's on like Bumble or something. I mean, if Drew Barrymore is on Bumble, huh? What show? Actually poking her head and of course, what do you mean there's a whole bunch of girls trying long guy? No? Is it one? All right? I don't know the show concept, is it? I just know that really good looking guy, and is it? Is it?

He does he just sleep with one woman? Yes, that's why it's so great, Okay, but it's very risk in the bounds of marriage. They're married. Oh yeah, they didn't do anything until they're married. They didn't do anything until they're married. And then they have like S and M exactly, not S and M at all? How is it not S ANDM? Worried? It's not that it's not man. This is what we're talking about. This is a difference because one they're very in love and too it's like romantic sactus.

It's not like bounded. It's like she's like an empire waisted dress in the corset. Fireplace burning in the background, stone fired, but definite only a girl stuff. So that's what you want. You want a stone fireplace in the background while you're wearing a corsett. Exactly. Well, I don't know if we can. I don't know if that's gonna happen. But you don't even mind that you like that not that you'd like a corset in a fireplace? A corset in a fireplace? What is a corset? Do you know

what a corsett is? Dean, Yeah, of course. It's the thing that gives the women the hour last figure. Oh that okay, yeah, okay, I know what that is. Yeah, yeah, okay, all right, yeah, no, I like that. All right, Maybe I can get down with the show. It's so nice that we just had a glimpse into a regular conversation with Ashley and Jared. Yeah, this is a daily thing for us. It's very nice. Drew Barrymore is definitely not on Bumble. She's definitely on RYA. Yeah, I think that.

I think the article said that she's on rya dating app. Though, come on, now, is she gonna be she just wants to be like a regular guy. I don't know. I don't know who knows. I don't know. Honestly, ever, since dates, I have no idea what you're Mary Bors has has done? She's done? Uh yeah, that's a great question. Actually, what the hell has Drew very More done recently? I don't know.

But more importantly, I hope she finds a guy and then maybe she does want like just like you know, a construction worker, like who knows nothing wrong with that zac Efron. Do you hear his story? Our boy Zach, he's dating uh a waitress that he meant well well out to dinner one day. Wow, I think I think that's the story. I'm also para that's great for the waitress to be able to like see Zach zac Efron come in light on him and then end up dating

And that's pretty great. What about There's also some some topical news and the Armists and Ben Affleck have recently split. Uh yeah, I mean you know my love for Ben Affleck. I just feel like a kinship with that human being. Like he's a Boston boy, he's a Red Sox fan, Pats fan. He's friends with Tom Brady. He defended Tom Brady to know h Throughout the flake Gate he was batman.

Like this guy he just like speaks to me. He was a bad batman, but you know, out of here he was such a good batman after Christian Baylor's just no comparison in my opinion. But well, anyway, we agree to disagree. But one time I posted a clip of Ben Affleck on ESPN where he's talking about Tom Brady and uh, he talks about how Tom Brady's God. It's very funny. So I posted and I tagged him in it, and he liked it on Instagram. Now, granted, does Ben

Affleck run his own Instagram account? Probably not, but as you can see right there there it is. I didn't even I don't even think he had an Instagram account because I was creeping on a day armisis to see like how the split went on the Instagram for them, and he wasn't tagged in anything. So I was even surprised.

He probably doesn't run his own Instagram. He probably just has it for like promotional reasons because he has like four million followers, So like if he's doing a new movie or something like that, who just posted on there and get free marketing. Then Affleck has to have more than four million followers on Instagram. He has four point four. He doesn't use it, that's why. But I also think, listen, I mean it's sad. I hope I want Ben to be happy. Like I said, I feel for a certain kinship.

I'm pretty sure that like him and I would be best friends if we've met in real life. But the point is I think him and Jennifer Gardner, I just really want them to get back together. Like that's one of those couples that you're like, I get it. I'm just rooting for them, but it doesn't matter because I want them to be happy. And if they're happier without each other than I get it. But like, him and Jennifer Gardner are just a great couple. They have kids together,

they seem so happy there. I just I want them to be together, you know. And then he even said one time his greatest regret was getting a divorce from Jennifer Garner. So sweet, Yeah, do you ever hear the story He told about how one time he was late to his kid's birthday party and he like his um, his agent forgot gifts for the kids, and he was like, so here, I am like a divorced dad going to a birthday party without the gifts, like and I have to tell them and so apparently, and then he told

the story. A week before he was filming or doing something with Adam Driver, who was obviously Kyler Rennis our Wars, and Adam Driver sent gifts to the house on on like on his behalf saying like, oh, I met your dad wanted to give you some stuff, and he came like he gave the kid a lightsaber and like you know, Kylo Rendall and Ben Affleck starts like tearing up, like tells his story because he felt like Adam Driver saved the day because he made Ben Affleck the cool dad

that day even though his you know, assistant forgot the gifts. It was like such a cool story. So I'm always room for that guy. I don't really want him to Jennifer Garden to get back together. Do you want to know who? I think on a da Armis would be really good with my one of my best friends, Jackson show Fember So on a day Armis. If you're listening to this, Jackson's a really nice guy. He's got a normal job. He's really kind, really thoughtful. Just give it

a chance. Okay, well the idea, let's get how old is he? Jackson is thirty two? Okay? On as an inner on I think it's on on a day Armis and and she used to live in Venice. You know, he's a big Venice guy. They actually have they crossed passed a couple of times at the coffee shops over there. So out of the Armist. If you're listening to this, uh, feel free to reach out to anyone that works on

this podcast. I'll get the information over to you. And you know, just just just considered as a possibility, don't you know, No pressure anything though. Yeah, have her people get in touch with our people, and then we'll get our people in touch with your boy. I want to tell you guys about the people that we're having on as our guests coming up too. It's gonna be a great segment. We have Kim and Kevin from Bling Empire,

which is a reality TV show on it Netflix. Um, we're going to talk to them about what's going on with their lives. They're interesting, Um romantic entanglement if you will. Uh, but we're gonna get to that just after this quick breaks to stay tuned for that. Hey, welcome back to help I suck at dating. I am in my wife's glam room. Dean of course, is in his car with Caitlin.

Poor Kalin still listening. We have two wonderful guests coming up from the brand new show on Netflix, Bling Empire, which the first season just dropped January fifteen, so you can go watch it right now. We have Kim Lee and Kevin Crieter. Kevin and Kim, First of all, how are you and thank you so much for joining the podcast. Are you thanks for having us? Of course? So you guys are both in l A right now, yes, uh so tell us a little bit about Bling Empire. So Kim,

I'll start with you. How did you get involved in Bling Empire and what made you want to do it? Um? Long story short back in UM when Crazy Rich Asians movie came out. Before that, I'm sorry, before Crazy Rich Asians movie came out, John m To the director actually sent me um a script to read and I thought at that time, like what is an all Asian cast? So I was on tour and I literally just filmed it in my hotel room. I didn't put I put zero effort into this, and next you know, this movie

blows up. It was basically like our Black Panther for Asians. And I've never regretted anything ever. But because of that, um, you know, Bravo Network reached out to me like a year later and UM They're like, hey, are we want to do an all Asian reality show? And they asked me to go look for other Asian cast members and I was like, well, that's not my job. I'll do this for you guys. So m yeah, it's so crazy.

I literally went on my Instagram and I came across Kane's page and I was like, who is this guy? He lives such a lavish lifestyle. So I told Bravol, you guys need to get this guy. So they're like, won't you d M him. I'm like, okay, I'll final DM him. And then next you know, Kane was like, don't sign anything. You need to meet our people. So that very same night, I went to the Hollywood Hills met Jeff Jenkins and he was like him, you are missing piece and here we are being but a boom.

How about you? Ken? My story is a little bit different. I was in Philadelphia. I was looking for a new place in my life. My rent was up and my

lease was up. And then I was doing a lot of videos on Asian masculinity and on Ted Talks and huffing them post and what it was like to be like a model as an Asian guy, and and and dating actually an Asian as an Asian guy, and that really took off, and Kelly Kelly was at the time, I didn't know she was a producer of anything, and she's just like, you should come to l A like things are better. Crazy rich Asian's exploded, You're now like desired and sought after, and I was like, are you sure?

And then I went out and visited her, and I met her and I met Caine right away, I met the rest of everybody else, and they just said, hey, you should be you should be in a show with this. And I just said to them, I was like, I'm not rich at all. You do know that I don't want to like devalue your show. And they're like, well, it's the thing about going a different angle, and I think you gotta get along with them. Why don't you just come along and just see what happens. And I

was like, I can do that. As long as you don't make me like pay for anything, I'm okay. And that's kind of how it went down. It's it's one of you guys mentioned that because I kind of when I when I watched like the teaser or the sizzle or whatever you wanna call it, um, the first thing that came to my mind was crazy at Aasians in Los Angeles. So it sounds like that's kind of like

the angle. Um Kim, you said that they talked to you about that movie where so you like it did audition for a role or like the role that played or funny, I think it was Constant who it was like actually a role, a legit role. Yeah, but again, I mean at that time, I mean hearing all Asian casts, thought that was going to be something cheesy or that's I'm going to blow up, and like, what the hell that's really yeah. Yeah, I mean I was really shocked.

It took me like a couple of months to to like kind of get over it, and I was like, Okay, I gotta support it. I mean, it's ahead. And this is the first time I got asked to be on in all Asian reality. It was like ten years ago so called k Town or whatever. Yeah, I got asked. No, I got asked to be on that, and I was flying out to Asia and do modeling and stuff. And it was actually a tough choice because I wanted to

be on it. So I actually thought I missed that opportunity, but then he came out and I didn't miss it. Actually saved me because there's no way I would be on this show. If I would have taken that one.

And so when they asked me to be on it, I was like, this is raped up my alley, Like I'm all about Asian representation and like a new way that Asian guys can be seen in the media and television, and it started happening in movies, so I thought, let's start this in reality, right well, And Kevin you're kind of you're like you're like the sex symbol too of at least of bling Empire for Kim that you let

me rephrase that the mail sex symbol. Yeah, no, no, no, that that are trying to make that, Okay, Kim, I was sex symbol. And but you make a good point. That's interesting because, like you said, you did a lot of it, like those ted X talks and and you were talking to Huffington all that about um masculin tell me the lingo male masculinity, right right, So that kind of it's great because it allows you to do it and like like an authentic, in organic way through bring

empire totally. Like I didn't have to pretend to be anybody else but myself, which is awesome. Like I didn't have to like learn a new language or play the nerdy and secure and like intimidated by everything. That's so stereotypical, right, I mean I even see, uh, some of the shows out there where they just do martial arts all the time, and I don't know martial arts at all, so that kind of limited my roles for anything. But so yeah, I think, um, it was an honor to actually portray

that as well alongside with Kim. Did either one of you have any trepredations going into it and realizing like, holy crap, we're gonna we're gonna put our dating life on display for everyone to say. Not for me, I was like, my life sucks already, Like we can't get worse. My dating life sucks already, my career Like I'm not modeling much anymore, Like they can't get worse than this. Well, I think it's gonna get a lot better for you. Then.

It's funny as much as like I'm like all on social media and I'm like a public figure whatever whatever you one called, I'm actually kind of private. So I did have like mixed emotions, you know, getting into this reality show. My damn, I'm really going to open up to the world about my dating life and all that. Do I really want to do that? You know, it's a big deal and it is. No. You're right though, because like you said, you're super successful DJ, you're a

public figure. People know you're on social media. But like going on this show, people are going to see you in a different light than they've never seen before, and you're gonna have to really open up. And I remember when you know, yeah, it's crazy. I remember going on the Bachelorte and like it was much different because I was. It was much more like Kevin where I'm like, I just um nobody and so like whatever happens happens, but n't nobody. Okay, I don't mean, I don't mean Kevin

was nobody. I mean I was a nobody, not Kevin. All right, No, no no, me as nobody. Kevin's a very big deal with great abs. Okay. I I had no abs going on the show. Look like you have abs now, though much appreciated. I don't want to I don't want to show off my it's really just a belly. As my wife is walking into the room, she can look at this, look at this guy. Good God, don't do that. When my wife's in the room, right, she's gonna bring it over you stay away, stay far away. Up there

it is there they are again. Um Kim is very unimpressed. She's seen it too much, Like I've been there before. Well, speaking of you and Kim, you guys had, now I haven't had. I haven't been able to watch the show yet, but I heard that you two have a little bit of sparks flying between you. So I guess my question is, why are you guys not zooming in the same room? You know what I mean? This is a good start, right or them been in the same room? Here are

you guys in the same room, just different cameras? Oh you know what it is for me? I don't know about Kim, Um Kim. They asked like if why we didn't pursue anything, Like I think, first of all, him was caught in a really weird time, right, like she

just found out the news about her father. It's kind of like to me, if I was to make a move or try to pick somebody up at our funeral home, it's creepy to make a real good romantic comedy, but like this is like real life, Like I don't wanna try to do anything with somebody who I'm friends with. Um in that period, because I also learned from Kelly's situation,

she was like in a really weird time. Nobody died or anything, but it was like she's in a very vulnerable position, and I just didn't want to do something like that. That's all. Did you guys feel any pressure from like the fans of the audience? Uh? Once that became like a possibility or like got put into people's heads, did you feel pressure from them to like try to

make a relationship work at all? Or Because because I guess, as far as I understand it, at least when you filmed the entire show before any of it aired, right, so I understand a lot of that must have been watered under the bridge at that point. But was there ever any like reconsiderations or anything like that. I can't

have any reconsiderations, you know. What's funny, Like I guess, like Kevin, I do have chemistry, but I didn't realize that we do until I had to go back and watch the whole show, and I'm like, what are they talking about? Like do we really have chemistry like that? Because to me, like is it just natural with me and Kevin? You know, maybe maybe he closely, maybe for him. But I don't know, I don't know. I'm blessing you right now. I mean I feel like we can cut

the sexual attention with the night. I know, just just if you want and I can hang up. We can give you guys a few minutes. No, there's there's definitely like I definitely know I felt something, especially during the finale when we were talking to it really made me kind of I showed, like, I think, a different side of me. It wasn't super flirtatious over the edge or

something well that I would do with Kelly. It was like more I think, deeper, but like, I don't know, I think we caught more of what people were talking about later as we before the show even aired. Like I think for me during the time when because we talk, we definitely talk and stuff. So I think there's a different relationship we have when we first went into shooting and doing everything. Hey, and honestly, I I got an

ad minute. I guess because of what Kevin went through with you know, trying and finding his family and my my situation with my dad, I think it made me feel closer to him, you know what I mean, Like, Wow, I can actually talk to somebody about this and for him to go out of his too, sorry for him to go out of his way to go look for my bad biological father. I guess it mainly look at him differently, you know. Well, and let's be honest with ourselves. If you guys had kids, they would be the most

attractive kids. I think the grace the face of the earth. You might have to do it just a better human society. If we did have kids and they weren't attractive, I'd be like, Kim, this is your fault. Kevin. You said you said in an interview that there were things that attracted to you to Kim, but there were some odd things that that didn't attract you to her. Something like that. Right, What was that about some odd things about Kim? I don't know. I think it's like her mixture of kind

of goodish type of thing. But you're from Malibu, so it's like really using me. I'm like, which one are you? Am I gonna like gets bitch slapped? Or am I gonna? Are you gonna love me? You know, it's like which one is it? I can back you up if you get into a fight. You want me to be the girl to run away. What am I going to get into fight? Plus, No, I don't want you to fight. I don't want you to ruin this. Yeah, I just have a strong personality and I don't think Kevin's used

to that. Well, Kim, what are some odd things that Kevin? Sorry, did you hang out with my mom? She's got a strong personality. Well maybe that's why your mom likes me, like she knows what's up? Like she saw me. She's like me. His mom get along. So well, it's just one of those like you out of eye right away. I mean, it seems like we need a season two of Bling Empire already, just to see where this relationship goes.

I need more of this. I'm down for this. So Kim, do you want to ask you what do you like about me? Yeah? Well I was gonna say, what are some of the odd things about Kevin? Wherever? Some of the things that you like about Kevin? Too? Oh? My wife speaking in What's Up Bluing Empire? I was so excited to watch that. I saw the review the other day. It looks so good. My wifriend off, Kevin's taking a

shirt off. I'm so excited. Yeah, I was like number five on it on Netflix and I was like, no, that looks like a show I can get into together. Kens you come, Oh you have to watch and find out. Oh god, anyway, we're back to the back to the podcast here, Kim. What are some of the things that you like about Kevin and what are some of the odd things that he does? I'm really going to go there. Oh yeah, Um. I love how fun Kevin is. And he's a very sweet carry guy. Um, not that smart,

but it's cute, you know what I mean. Like, I think it's really fun. He has a great personality and obviously he's good looking. Um. The thing that turns me off is like I feel like you guess, it comes a little desperate sometimes with females, you know what I mean, like like calm down, like and I don't know, I don't know. Maybe this show would change him though, who knows, But he comes up a little desperate sometimes and I'm just like, you give every he gives attention to every

single female. I mean, I mean, my guy would be a little boogie like I'm too good for you, Like you know, like I know I look good, but you can't have this, you know? That gives him attention he's like, she's hot. I'm like, she's not hot. Bro, you're blind. That's not true. I don't say she's hot for everybody. No, not to everybody, just the one. It seems like that because I show you the ones normally, and I chocane the one. But it's like for me, you gotta understand,

I had no options. I have plenty options. Now I can do that. So if you want that, now, I'll do that. That's what Los Angeles says to you. I feel like, yeah, but I would say to that like a man who No, I'm not saying necessarily a man whore. But let's say you move from I don't know, Philadelphia to Los Angeles, you start seeing a lot more beautiful people. On what I'm saying, there's a lot of sparkly things in in l A. See. Kim Kim was born and

raised here, so she's numb to it. I'm from Philly, where it's you don't see all of this all the time, So of course the cast is beautiful, Like, I'm gonna flirt with a lot of people, even the look look. Speaking from experience, I grew up in a very small town in the mountains in Colorado, and then when I moved to Los Angeles, I was like, WHOA, I didn't even know that many beautiful people exist that it was like sensory overload at that point, you know. So I

definitely can understand where you're coming from. I'm sure it's the same for Gerrard, who is from right I one, which is I think barely even a state at this point. It's it's like a big city. Yeah, a big city exactly. So I mean, I understand where Kevin is coming from.

We can't be too critical of them there. But okay, so question for you guys living the lifestyles that you live, and I know Kevin you said, uh, you know you are kind of like newer to this whole lifestyle, but not necessarily dating each other, but just dating in general. How do you do you consider it difficult? Is it like is it hard to meet people? And then when you meet those people as it hard to like stay interested or like just what is what is dating in general?

Like for you guys, now, I find it really difficult actually here in Los Angeles. Like it's not because you can't meet people, it's just that you can't kind of share the same values and the same path and be able to openly communicate with each other or I'm too honest, and so people don't really know how to like handle that,

you know what I mean. Like it's like all these girls ask questions and like, hey, do you mind if I like cancel on you tonight like one hour before, and I'm like, no, I don't like that, like peace, and then they're like I wasn't expecting that. It's like, well, it's because every guy probably just bends over backwards for you, Like I'm not doing that, you know, And so my time is valuable, so respect my time, just like I'm respecting your time, and I just find a lot of

people here don't respect your time. Um. I think that's actually one thing that I really like about Kim. She respects people's times. So anytime like we talk or hang out or have them out, she's always on time, which is shocking because really she's busy. She has a lot she could do, and like she still shows up. So I hear all these like girls from l A and

they're like, oh, I'm busy. I was like, you know, buzy, you're you're either really bad at time management, which I want nothing to do with because it's going to bleed into my life, or you're just not interested. Be honest, and I'm okay with either one, but just be honest with me, like I'm just not that interested. Like I'll schudgle you in when I'm free. You know, that was a great answer, what about you, Kim? Dating has been very tough for me believe that they're not um because

I have maybe I have high expectations. Um, you're gonna answer for me. Yeah, Um, I have press issues. I'm working on it. I'm you know, I what do you guys? I don't know. You guys probably going to be like this is really strange to a lot of people. But when I meet a person, the first thing I do is going on I go on the Instagram and look at who they follow and if I see a guy that's trying to hit on me, and if you're following like a thousand females, that's an automatic turn off from me,

and I just get turned off. And it seems like a normal guy that's a card working that's not all up on Instagram because I use Instagram differently because I'm a public figure. But I'm not going in there sliding into every dude's DM like, hey, what's up showing them up? You know, so I'll use it differently. So I feel like it's it's tough, it's not easy. Yeah, I mean

I can only imagine it's funny. It's It's one of our constant questions that we get from our listeners is like wondering if the guy that they like is like liking a bunch of other girls pictures on Instagram. And I think Jared and I always kind of say the same thing. It's like, if guys are doing that, like, let's say they follow a bunch of you know, like uh like like instant Model, whatever, all the thirst traps, then they're probably sending you a lot of the same

messages to a lot of other people rather than just you. Yes, I had a guy literally like, oh, you're so wifey, like you're my wife, you're my time, Um what I'm going to see you? And he's like, I'm a good guy. And I literally go on his Instagram. He like every single damn photo he sends the same emoji he sent on my page. I'm like, stop from very more. We I could work for the FBI. I really wanted to everything. Yeah,

so after Bling Empire season one. You just go and work for the FBI and we'll be good to go. I like that, guys. If you guys ever need help to investigate about anybody, I'm the person really is. I showed her like one person. Actually I didn't even show her. I just said, hey, look there's this new person that I'm like kind of compressing on, and I just said like, oh, she's Colombian. All of a sudden, in two minutes, she's telling me, Oh, these are the guy she follows. Oh,

this is what she's really into. It was like, how do you even know what it is? And then I was like I don't even believe you because I didn't even give you a name or anything. And then she said the user name and I was like, how did you know? Damn that's good. I'll give you all the credit of the world. Maybe you should work for the FBI. Well, Ken and Kevin, thank you so much for joining us.

We really appreciate it. Everybody listening please obviously you probably already watched it by now, but go watch season one of Bling m Part which is now on Netflix, and of course, follow Kim and Kevin on Instagram. Kim Ley and Kevin Cryter, thank you so much. You guys were awesome. Thanks guys. Bye, Yeah, thank you guys for joining us. Good luck with everything. Thank you, thank you. Uh, do

you guys want to do some emails? Maybe we'll take a quick break and jump into some emails with our listeners. It sounds good, sweet, stay tuned. All right, everyone, welcome back to help I Suck at Dating. And as we always do over here at your favorite podcast, we're gonna wrap up with some listener emails. And if you're listening to this and you've got some questions for us yourself, be sure to email us I Suck at Dating at I heart Media dot com. Send them over, will answer

them at least our best answer them. But we got Mark, our trusty Mark, to read them for us. So let's get to it, all right. So let's first one is specifically for Dean and Kalin, so it's good that she is near you so she can weigh in on this. And also I'm going to read it in three parts because it's three separate questions. Here's the first part from Molly. My boyfriend was injured a few months ago and since

then we have not been very sexually intimate. Dean Is talked about how the physical intimacy aspect of his relationship took a hit after his injury, and I'm looking for advice on how to get over that. Has he gotten to the same place he was in before his injury? Did he and Kalen have conversations about it? How do I communicate this to my boyfriend without making him feel bad? Hmm,

that is a good question. Well, I guess it really depends on what he injured, because like, my hip is a pretty it's a pretty important component to uh that process, if you will, or that that romantic development. Uh So, it took me a lot of time to kind of like get back This is kind of an awkward conversation with with kalin sitvery next to me. It took me a little bit of time to get back to it, and it's still let's take me a little bit of time to like fully get back into the swing of things.

But I think I think it's a combination of like also being in COVID and all these things. I've been lazy on physical therapy all that kind of stuff. But I think it probably heard our relationship a little bit, right, What do you think I mean, it's hard too because I know that he's healing and a hip is a huge thing and fracturing your hip, so you want to be sensitive to that and you want to be respectful and just like I don't want you to be in pain.

So it's kind of it just takes time. Yeah, maybe, um, maybe you could do some things that don't require him to move a whole lot. Maybe take that advice to yourself too. And I was just kidding, Um, yeah, I would say, just do some things that he would like that don't require him to move a whole lot. But is it is it his desire is gone too, as well as his physical abilities, because it sounds like the

desire is not there as well. I think, well for me, at least when I was injured, especially over the first few, like three or four months, my like my motivation was really down. I was like kind of depressed because I wasn't able to do a lot of things. And I think those things have a pretty significant tie to your sex drive, and so I'm sure sex drive is diminished because of it. Um, So like definitely take that out

of the consideration. A big thing for me and for my sex drive again, as awkward as this is to have the conversation with, but in communication, like like Molly asked, is incredibly important. So it's it's, you know, it's always

good to have these conversations. My sex drive is also linked pretty firmly to like my well a like the adventuring that I'm doing, Like if I'm fulfilled in my adventures and be like if I'm feeling physically fit, Like I've been really out of shape especially since my injury, and I feel like I'm practicing on the pounds around like the middle area, you know, like the gut and all that stuff, and so like I feel a little bit of body and security and that's kind of reduced

my sex drive a little bit too. So I think there's a lot of things that an injury will have an impact on um, and I think a lot of those things also impact your sex stuff pretty significantly. So it's like, uh, it's always important to have the conversations about it, but it's probably stuff that will fix itself once you start dealing more significantly. I say, we titled this podcast Dean sex Drive. Yeah, make that the head or in parentheses, Dean's sex drive. Got it? Yeah, Well,

while Molly has you here. She has a few more questions for Dean. She says, I've always wondered whether or not you went into Paradise knowing you wanted to take Kaylin on the date, or if you only decided after your conversation. What was it about her that made you choose her? Mm hmm. That's a good question. Um. I think I've talked about this in the podcast before or maybe with Klin privately at some point, but I'll share

to here anyways. So yeah, the typical like format for when you arrive into Paradise is you probably pull like three or four people aside, have a conversation with them, uh, you know, see who you might hit it off with more than the rest of them, and then you go on later like you know, five Timetes later asked him on a date, and I remember I went down to the beach for time, uh, pulled a couple of people aside. Uh. And then I remember like talking to one of my

producer friends. He was like, Okay, well who are you going to take on a date now? And I remember I remember telling him I was like, I don't want to take any of them on a date, not because there was like bad conversation anything, but because they were all partying quite a lot before I got there, and so they were all like, you know, drunk, and I was like dead sober as I was the entire time on the on the beach at that time, and I was like, this is just like it seems like a mess.

Like I don't want to pull any of them away. I don't want them to like, you know, stop partying. Uh. And then my producer I was talking to was like, oh, well, like did you take Haylen, Like you guys obviously hit it off, and I think that that would be a good date to take her on. And like obviously we had you know, our d M s h that we she slid into d MS and we had like a little like minor conversation before we've been going there, um, and I was like, yeah, okay, Like she's obviously the

one that I got along the best with. I think she'll be okay with going on the date too, because it's funny like when I was going the first time in Paradise or even in Winter Games, It's like I almost didn't want to go on a date because it was more fun to like just hang out at the beach or hang out the house with your friends, and so I was a little, uh, I was a little timid about doing that. But yeah, I think that answered

the question, right, I think so. And she also is wondering what happened with you and Brie actually, as if she if Brie had been in Paradise when you got there, would you have taken her on the date? Yeah, well this isn't another awkward question, sure is? Yeah? Uh yeah, I mean Brie and I like dated for a few months before Paradise or anything like that. And I mean, which, just as has young relationships, do they fall apart for one reason or another. There's no real reason as to why.

Just you know, I think that was the That was kind of the phase of my life too, where I was like, all right, the moment everything in ra Van, I want to be untethered and you know, I want to be able to like roam as freely as a possibly could. Um. And then yeah, I think the day that I left Paradise with Kalin was the same day that three came down to the beach, So there wasn't any like overlap, which and all honestly probably was a good thing because it saved any like awkwardness from unraveling,

at least on my part and Caen's part. I'm sure so, uh. I mean, I don't think I would have taken Free on a date because we had already been on the day at that point. I kind of, you know, I think we both would have known what we were in store for, and I think both of us probably would have avoided back. So all right, thank you very thorough answers to Molly's very invasive questions. This is from Jane. Jane says, I got married two months ago after dating

for two years. My mother and I are very close, but over the past few years I noticed her being more and more of a helicopter parent. Now that I'm married, I thought she would let me be a wife and enjoy newly red life, but that is not the case. She's been inserting herself and all of our decisions. I only talked to her. I don't share with my husband what she says, but we're talking budgeting, jobs, lifestyle, furniture

in our house, kids, et cetera. I realized that she means well, but my question is how to deal with parents opinions, How to set those boundaries as I've never been able to have boundaries with her because of guilt. I am an only child and my father is not

in the picture. This is a good question, uh one that's Kaitlin, and I don't really think he can answer because now that I wants have helicopter your parents really, I mean, you just have to set boundaries, Like Jane said, I think, Jared, Jared, this one is like the red of your alley. Yeah, you just have to set boundaries. I mean that's the first and foremost thing. I mean, you just have to. You kind of have to do the Sandwich effect. You know, you tell your mother listen,

I love you very much. Uh, You're incredible, and then you tell her like, butt off, you know, I am a I'm a I'm a you know, I'm a wife. I'm doing what I need to do. I'm an independent person. Uh, And then you know tell her like, hey, listen, I love you, I still want you to be a part of my life, but you have to give me some independence or else like I'm never gonna be able to grow. So I think that's really the answer right there. You have to just like let your boundaries be known, tell

her exactly how you feel. That's not gonna hurt her feelings as long as you just you know, keep repeating

the old, you know, sentimental format. I don't know, markt what what if she's like giving What if she's like giving you advice and you're like taking the advice, but then you do something else to kind of like show her that while her her advice and criticism is welcome, it's not necessarily like the end all be all, because you're still your own individual person and you're married and you guys are still gonna do whatever you want, but

you still appreciate their input, you know. Yeah, I guess it depends on how much she's quote unquote helicoptering her, Like is she just constantly uh constantly reaching out? Is she also like belittling her? Is it, Jane is like your mom belittling you and be like, don't be stupid, don't like make dumb mistakes. I don't know, It's it's too hard. It's only you know, like four sentences, So it's so hard to really know, especially with like a

parent daughter relationship. But just let your boundaries be known. Have either you are actually ever had to deal with anything like that? No? I mean Ashley's mom is pretty I don't want to say she's definitely not overbearing, but she's done. Like she tells us every day like why are we not pregnant yet? Why we not have kids? Uh So that's probably the only aspect that she's overbearing. But I'm very lucky all our parents are, you know,

very respectful of Ashley's and eyes independence. Mark, What about you have you? No? Not really no. My only feeling on this that you know, try to have some empathy for her, look at it through her eyes where she you needed her for everything for so many years and now you don't anymore, and that's really hard for her to let go of that. But also I think you let her give her opinion and then you do whatever you want because you and your husband made that decision.

She asked you, I told you to do that. Why you do that while I talked to my husband and this is the decision we made. I think that way, you're setting boundaries and also just let her know that she's still needed by going to her for actual advice for certain things, like there's got to be some stuff you want her opinion on, and if you go to her for that, I think she'll appreciate that and maybe that will help kind of calm things down a little bit.

I agree. I think a lot of times too, it's not necessarily the fact that you do what she's encouraging you to do, but the fact that you're like like hearing her out anyways, you know, like people just want to be heard, um and so I think that's I mean, obviously you guys know better than I would, but I think that's a big part of it too, I think so. So yeah, I think that's those are emails this week, right? Or do we have any others? Know what you guys

to Two emails is not enough. We need more emails. I suck a dating at iHeartMedia dot com. If we don't have five email stanswer next week, I'm going to absolutely go bananas. Um, So email us I suck at dating at iHeart media dot com. Ask us any type of relationship advice. Maybe just questions about the show, like Molly for instance, and next time I'll make sure Kalen isn't right next to me so it's a little less awkward. But I appreciate those because they just lend themselves to

a better conversation. So I secon Dating at iHeartMedia dot com. What else there? Do you want to say anything else before we get out of here for the week. I love everybody you for listening to the podcast. Thank you, of course to Kim Lee and Kevin Croyter of Bling Empire, which is now playing on Netflix. Definitely go check that out. Dean. Please thank KLN for putting some input in the emails and for listening to our entire podcast in a car.

It must have been pretty brutal. It's probably better than going than going to Walmart, though, So there's that, um and that will do it to make sure everybody tune in next week. Were hopefully we all suck a little less. Follow help by Suck at Dating on I Heart Radio or wherever you listen to podcast