Into the Freezer with Whitney Bischoff

that I've already openly talked about. What have you talked about openly? We spoke about pretty much everything. What The better question is what? What? Three? This episode is focused on Vanessa and in particular, one very specific thing about Vanessa's anatomy. Yeah, can you guess my favorite part of Vanessa's anatomy. I just also want the audience. I'm sitting in between Vanessa and Gane right now, and I'm feeling

a little uncomfortable. Anyways, there's one part, one part. There's one part so important to me, it's also very important to her. I think that UH is one of the most important things about her. And she talked about in the past, message your mind, elaborating a little bit for the listeners out there about what we're gonna just dive into a little bit more. We're gonna have some guests on talking about there. What part of your Vanessa are we about to dive into. Well, it's round, Yeah, it's

two of them. Well there's more than two. Not well, I know inside there's more than two. This podcast has gone different. And I thought, talking about talking about my ovaries, there's two ovaries. I was talking about the eggs in particular. But I do love the ovaries. If the eggs would be meaningless at the ovaries right right, And so the overaries are just as mission critical as the eggs, and so for that reason, I respect and appreciate those beautiful

ovaries just as much as those eggs. And signing here as well, well, why are we talking about your ovaries? Well, because I've openly uh the episode that I did by myself, I I literally started crying. You were here, Easton was here, Mark was here. Mark was like, well, Vanessa, would you ever consider having a child without a significant other? And I literally just like choked up, and he's like, I'm so sorry. I asked you this. I'm like, no, it's fine.

It's just been weighing on me because at that point when he asked me, I was single and I wasn't dating anyone seriously. And I am thirty one. And last year when I turned thirty, I got off the birth control pill. But I was on it because of my menstrual cramps. And I'm like, oh, I've been on it for so long. I just don't want any like foreign subject, foreign like born things in my body anymore. So I got rid of what are you laughing at? Sorry? My mom is calling you? Hold on my phone away? Should I?

Should I call my mom back? What's your mom's name? My mom is Nancy. I want to ask her what she thinks about I'm so sorry. I just was like, of course, my mom, all right, let me call her back and let me see if Nancy answers the phone. Can I answer it for you? Answer the phone? Uh? Sure. I've never met Mrs Hiban, right, Mrs Haybon. Hi, this is HI. This is Dean. How are you. I'm good. I don't know if your son has told you about me at all, but him and I co host a

podcast together weekly called Help I stuck at dating? Have you heard of it? You're you're You're live, You're live on air on help? I suck at dating right now? Don't or your son is sitting right next to me. He's perfectly safe. Um, Vanessa is here as well. We just wanted to take some time to say hello. Oh hello, well thank you for Oh my god? Is the best accent ever? Is that the um? Where are you from again? Well, I'm from Rhode Island? Is that the Rhode Island act? Yeah,

it's like a Boston accent. Mom, what are you doing now? Have time to love you. That's so lucky to have you as a future mother in law. You seem so sweet. That's Vanessa. You remember Vanessa? She was on nixt season. Yeah. Hi, all right, well Mom, I'll call you when we're out of here. Alright, bye, Mrs Hey fun at the grocery store. By and Mom, I told you about Thrive Market. You should be doing Thrive Market. All right, love you, bye, pleasure talking to you. Alright bye. Mom. That's so good.

She seems like such a sweet she is the she might be the sweetest woman I've ever met. My mom too, is the sweetest human being ever. She doesn't have a bad bone in her world around. I'm sorry, what were you saying? You were talking about your No, it's okay, it's okay, it's okay. I I'm the one that doesn't have a mom Oh, I'm sorry, it's okay, it's okay. Let's let's go back to talking about Vanessa's ovaries, back to the fun stuff. Um where who the hell knows?

I don't know anyway, where where am I? So? Yeah, I was talking to I was I got off the birth control pill, I had like really bad mentional cramps. Um, And how recently was this? This is when I turned thirty? Okay, And I'm like, so this is like five years ago. I'm sorry, I'm not funny. Usually you're the one that always compliments me because you are I I you know, I'm I like the sandwich things. You know. I want to compliment you, But I don't want to be right.

We don't want to like make my ego. No, I don't want I want your head to be able to fit through the door. Yeah, actually, my head is so small. Have you guys ever realized how small my head is? It is we're talking about another part of your body. Okay, my ovaries. Sorry. And then so once I turned thirty, I didn't want any foreign, foreign thing in my body anymore. So I got off birth control. And then when I turned thirty one, I was like, wow, I'm still single.

My body is ready to have kids, but I'm not dating anyone. What should I consider at this point in my life? And I know a few people in Batchelor world have done the egg freezing, and so I started having that subject with myself, and I started exploring that subject with my family. And I've never really looked into it too much because I felt like, um, it scared

me a little bit. Why I think it scared me because if I dove into it, maybe I was going to stop my I don't know, it's like Jink, a last resort, And maybe that's why you were like, not a last resort, but like something you never imagined yourself doing. I didn't know, well because especially like in East Coast, I don't know, like in Montreal, it's not something that we openly really discussed. Like in l A. Everyone is so like it's fast forward here with very progressive. Uh.

I wouldn't say it was the last resort. I think, well, I want to get your opinion on this. Okay, Dean. If you and I would start dating and I said, hey, um, would you want to be a dad? What would you say if I told you that I wanted to be a dad? No, if I asked you, first of all, get off your phone. I know. I'm so sorry if I'm having a serious conversation. The teacher just came out of which was fantastic. Going to confidencecate your phone until

the end of this podcast. So if I asked you, would you want to be a dad and you said yes, and I said, well, hey, um, I just froze my eggs, Okay, what would your reaction be or what would the first what would be the first thought that would come up? I don't know. Actually, be honest, I don't think that I would really take too much to put too much though in it. I was just thinking the same thing. I don't. I don't think it would really It wouldn't scare me at all. I don't think it would really

give a second thought. Maybe it's because we're part of this world as well, and so it's not the first time that we as guy eyes, you're hearing about women freezing their eggs. I think it's it's very normalized. Okay. Well, the subject of kids coming up so early on in a in a relationship is at what point should you start mentioning that. Because I've started, I think, um, whatever, uh, insecurities you have from like past relationships. I did this one guy that I've openly spoken about this when I

was twenty four. I thought he was the love of my life. I thought I was gonna get married. He told me he didn't want kids, and I was like, oh my god. Like for two years, I thought I was going to get married to this guy and have kids with him. And so every other relationship I would get into my first question, well, one of my first questions was do you want to have kids? And I

think that's scared guys away. Well, so, my my experience with this is I've been asked the same question before as well, where it's I think it's good to nip it in the bud right and get it, get it on the table earlier rather than later. You don' wanta be dating someone for a year or two or however long to ultimately find out that this person doesn't want to have kids. You have that John Cena situation where him and his fiance because fiance wanted kids, he didn't

want kids. Did you know that for a while? Mentioned you know, And that's a good point too. Maybe she thought that he could change she could change his mind, and I would never want to change someone else's mind. Um. I will say, I've I've dated older women in the past, and I do want kids at some point in my life.

That's an absolute certainty, although I'm not ready for them anytime soon, and I want to at least address that whenever I speak with those types of women that are, you know, wanting to have kids sooner rather than later, I at least address it very very early on by saying I want to have kids, but I just don't want to have them from another five plus years. Yeah.

I think if you're dating someone even after two months, I don't think the question is really, uh that unfair to ask for a woman to be like, I'm like, two seconds in, dude should walk out from this date. Yeah, I mean that's fair to I guess it all depends on where you are at in life. I mean, if you're it's someone who is ready to get married tomorrow and have kids, and sure, of course you can ask on the first date, but that might scare du away

if you ask them on the first date. I would give it at least maybe a few dates, get to know each other, really think that this could go somewhere and then maybe bring up the future. Well. So, so right now we have Sadie Murray on hold, who we know a little bit about. She's been on The Bachelor before season nine, which was Prince Lorenzo. Don't even pronounce, does it bottom Borges Boghassi, It's I don't know what that means. Anyways, she has been I guess she was

maybe the original Bachelor virgin. That could correct me if I'm wrong on that. But um, we want to gather her inside a little bit because obviously any type of of insight can help you out with your with your quest as well. Um, so let's jump over to Sadie Murray if she is on the line, CD, are you there all right, Sadie? How are you hey? Sadie? Great? How are you guying? We are fantastic, Thank you so

much for taking the time to speak with us today. So, um, you're joined with Jared, Vanessa and Dean and do you guys want to take over? Well, I was gonna say so, Sadie, just to give a little background to the listeners. Now, Sadie, you were on season nine of The Bachelor, and that was back in two thousand and seven, two thou eight. I know, it feels like there weren't even TVs then. There were definitely TVs. They were just black and white.

I'm completely teasing. Um. And So, Sadie, an interesting fact about you which I did not know, and obviously it's pretty relevant with this current season of the Bachelor, was that you, uh were very open about your virginity on the show back then. Yes, I think it was the first girl to actually, like I guess, come out and talk about it. You were. I was the o G. I paved the way for Berton. Sadie. How old were you when you were on the show. I was twenty

four at the time. So, and I honestly though, you guys, like, I'm sure we've all talked about this before, but like you think, when you're talking about one thing, you don't think it's going to be used over and over and over again. I mean, there were so many other things that I talked about, and so that was that was

definitely a shocker for me. When. I mean, honestly, I remember watching the premiere with all of my friends and family and like it was just like it was there were so many awkward silences, like there was not enough

wine in the room to make anyone feel comfortable. But they all knew you were a virgin, too, right, I mean yeah, I mean I was raised Christian and that was definitely, you know, a part of my upbringing, and so it wasn't abnormal as far as you know, the friends that I had at the time that I think

the just the emphasis on it was definitely a surprise. Well, so, Sadie, can you jump into your experience or your journey I guess post show then what kind of happened to you after and kind of fill us in on everything that we might have missed. Yeah, I wish it was so fun. So I loved being on camera. I was in pr before and I was behind the scenes and drinks aaston and beauty lifestyle pitching for magazines and TV shows. And then honestly, I cold called William morris Um through a

friend at Extra. They were like you should. I was like, I really want to keep doing TV. I want to do that, you know. I was such a cliche. So like Coals called William Morris and I was like, Hi, I'm a blonde girl who was a runner up a lot of Bachelor. I want to be a TV OS and They're like, oh my god, get in line. I ended up meeting with them and they signed with me for a few years, and that really um jump started

my my world into TV. And since then, I you know, I got to host a few shows, but then I've created this business for myself to go to girlfriend where I'll curate different segments for various TV shows from extras to you know, k P l A or wherever Good Day l A and um, I'll go on and I'll talk about baston and beauty and my style. Right and I'm working on what to buy people for Valentine's Day.

So it's really really fun and I have the that sory to think for that truthfully, So what do you think people should buy their significant others for Valentine's Day? There's so many good things, but you can't right now, I'm talking with a few people. I love those and you have to go with flowers for sure, but not just rinky think flowers from the grocery store. I'm not

a flower person at all. I think, even like when I was on the show, I mentioned how I like, I'm getting a rose at a rose ceremony, Like obviously I wanted the rose for what it's symbolized, but I just I don't like flowers. I like what they're doing nowadays, they take like kale in arugula and they turn it into like, uh, like every girl in a flower arrangement, every girl says they're not flower girls, and then you don't get flowers farm on Valentine's Day? Can I say something?

I told this guy that that I'm now dating, I told him I don't like flowers, and so he sent me before our first date is a bouquet of kid cat. That's very sweet, but that's what i'd rather, right, But like somebody you've been dating for quite some time, Like if I didn't get flowers for Ashley, and I don't think she's branded herself as a flower girl, she would be so sad. Yeah, there's definitely a certain appreciation. There's an for the flowers. I mean, just to do it.

You can't go wrong, you know, you can't go wrong. Obviously I don't want to forget that. Yeah, jewelry is always a good one. Um, Sadie, I actually kind of wanted to ask you a quick question about your experience on the bat Well Lorenzo, because you actually had a really interesting experience off show as well, because Sadie, you were runner up on your season season nine of The Bath Stor and then he picked someone else, but then he broke up with her, and then you guys started

dating again. Yes, how did that happen? So it was really wild because I walked into that final ceremony's feeling really really confident, like I he was going to pick me, and I wasn't. I didn't think I was like the greatest thing on earth. But I was like, yeah, that was He's going to pick me that Why wouldn't he? We had such a great time. So I was really thrown when he didn't. And then I remember he covered his mic and started like tapping it and was like,

I'll text you after the show. I'll text you after all of this, and I'll explain later. It was a pay phone, Vanessa, Um right, I remember though, I was at the airport and I was just like called, I called my mom and I'm like, I have no idea what just happened, like, I don't know what is going to air. I don't know what's happened. But he was emailing me at the time and was like I wanted to pick you, but really confused. And then so yeah,

long story, stort uh. He was doing all the press with Jed the Winner, and I was watching them on Good Morning America and he was texting me like love diet. So it was really how soon n did he break up with her and start dieting? You? Um, I would stay within a couple of months. A couple of months, Okay, Yeah, I moved. I moved to New York for a job

right after the show. I was like I needed I don't know if you guys felt this way, but didn't you did you feel like you needed sort of like another high right after the show, like another I wanted to get far away from it. Yeah, I mean I wanted to get far away from it in my own way, but I wanted like another major. I wanted something else to go to. I was really I loved it. I wanted one more thing. And so I ended up getting a job in New York and he lived in New York,

and so we naturally started and so. I mean it was super casual. But you know, was he an actual potence? He was a prince by nobility, so he wasn't a royal. It was just basically a family given. How all so could like I give myself the title of prince in my family? No, I mean it's not like Queen Latifa, but I believe it like them in his campaign, it's like that, you know. Yeah, so it went. It was basically through no ability. Well do you still watch The

Bachelor today? Yeah? I mean I'll get in when I can. I'm trying my hardest to get into this season. Um, that premiere was just so long. Yeah, part I couldn't watch the live part. Sorry about that. The host of the live part just really killed it for me. You know, a great thanks, I appreciate what. Well. The reason I asked is because I'm curious from someone who's been in the franchise but was on season nine. Uh, do you notice any really huge differences between what the show was

back then and what it is now? I mean it is it's so elevated as far as the characters go. I mean on my season, it was everybody was kind of um not not like basics but really they seemed more normal. I feel like it's really amplified, like with the girl bringing her puppy and then the chariot, Like everything is just a little bit more amplified. And I mean it makes for great TV, um. I mean, especially when you're competing against other shows like Married at first Night.

I mean, we need it to be watchable, like we want to be stucked in. So I would say as far as the foundation goes, it is all completely the same. But I mean it's just the girls are a little bit more um exciting. Exciting is a good way to put it. Yeah, a lot a lot of different carcs. How would you put a dean? I would say exactly that, that they're a little bit more exciting. I mean I didn't watch The Bachelor in two two thous eight, but you know, I feel like the leads. I mean they

got a prince to be one of the leads. Colton is a former professional football player. That's true. I don't know, but I thought it was like back then, I thought it was uh like princes and stuff. I don't know. I guess like that's when it first came out. I think it used to be a little bit more Uh, celebrity driven, um and high profile, That's what I meant.

But I do think it's probably changed over the years because I think audiences really get attached and I think the Bachelor kind of found its formula by bringing someone who you know, listen, whoever the Bachelor of the Bachelorette is is extremely good looking, probably pretty successful. Um. But I will say, yeah, I'm sure that they like bringing them in likable, right, and a little bit more relatable. I think they like having their lead a little bit

more relatable today, right, Sadie. So we're actually we're having a conversation. I'm thirty one and I was on Nick season at the Bachelor, got engaged to Nick ended, our relationship ended. I don't know how many months in November Rember jennied six months. No, well we got engaged in November and we only came out in March. Anyway, anyway, whatever under a year. And uh, I thought, you know, after him and I, after our relationship ended, I'm like, oh,

for sure, like meet someone or whatever. And I hadn't met anyone up until very recently. So when I turned thirty one, which is a couple of months ago, I was having this conversation with myself of egg freezing. And I don't know what your take is on that. Um, I don't know how old you are, Um, but what would you your thirty five? Okay, you're thirty five and single, and have you ever had the conversation of freezing your eggs? Yeah?

So I recently. So I'm like you, I mean, I feel like it's almost like not that the relationship dictates your whole life birthday, but I basically I went through a series of I mean relationships recently where it just didn't work out and timing hasn't lined up that the biological clock is still real, and so I had to, like you, look at it from just a logical perspective, Like I'm I was thirty four when my last relationship ended, and I was like wow, because I really thought we

were going to get married. I really thought that this was going to be the next phase of my life and I would start thinking about a family and all that, and then it abruptly came to an end. And so I went and met with a fertility doctor and he was like, you are in the nick of time. You want to do this, you know, within the next year or so, and so I ended up freezing my eggs. Um no past November. Yeah, and so, and it went really well. It was it was amazing. But I mean,

and the process alone is it's a little daunting. Yeah, it's pretty brutal, Like don't you have to enjoy? I don't. So I I was thinking about it. I never really looked into what the process is, Like, I know, Caitlin Bristow did it, and now she's stoody three years old

and she's newly single. Um and so I guess like, as a woman, you have these conversations with yourself because they're like, Okay, well I want to have kids, but I want to make sure that you know, there's enough eggs left in me, and the eggs that are that are left in me are like really good, Like yeah, exactly. Um. So they say, so you were thirty four or thirty five,

when you're thirty five? When you did it at thirty five when I did it, I honestly though, it took me a year to sort of process what I was about because I didn't have anybody to talk to about it. I mean, I didn't really have none of my girlfriends have done it. You know, I'm sort of business the first one, and there were a couple of people, one of the girls actually on the Real Housewives of Orange County Emily See. I met her maybe a year and a half ago, and she was the one that encouraged

me to do it. And she was like, why wait, Like why what are you waiting for? You guess it's the five that just paralyzes you from moving forward and actually doing it. Yeah, especially because I mean, but this thing is though, it's it's temporary pain for something that for peace of mind, which will last as long as you need it to, until you have your cute little baby. And I just thought to myself, I'm the kind of person that will do anything for my family, no matter what.

Family is the most important thing to me. And I thought about how for my future family when I do have my kiddos, I'll run through fire, I'll you know, jump in front of a train for them, Like I'll sacrifice anything, So why not start sacrificing now? And I mean, I could, I can deal. I have to kind of break it down. I was like, Okay, the worst of the worst is this the pain from the needles. The I'm going to be probably a little crazy for the next like six weeks. And that's the thing. It's I

sorry to interrupt you. I think, like, I don't think men realize how emotional. At least I can get very emotional around like the time of my period, and I can get like very not moody, but I'll be super tired all at once, you know, and then I want to just like lay in bed and my stomach will herd and my flowes not even that heavy, and I'm like, well, what's what's happening my Like, my it's not a heavy flow,

but I'm like super tired. I gotta be honest. When I woke up this morning, I did not think that I was going to hear the phrase my flow is not that heavy. You know, there are some there's some pretty famous movie stars their actresses that I frozen their eggs, like Olivia Munn, Sophia Vergara, Maria Manunos. They have all frozen that. So how old were they when they froze them? Probably in early thirties. I don't have exact numbers on that, but you're right, I mean, and people don't take into it.

Men don't take take into account the toll that it probably has on a female's body, including even like uh like birth control, like that stuff has a big I think the booze are going to grow. They never grew. What do you mean, bob, they are your boobs. Can you can like gain weight or like get like bigger? It doesn't your body kind of start adjusting to it, have to use it for a while, and then it's I was I just never never had a reaction to me.

I think it's on a very low dose. Then just go through life thinking that this is just you know, there's nothing really to worry about, but there's a lot that goes on that we don't have three pre like preconceiving, and then after like once you're pregnant, that's a whole I've never been pregnant, but I'm I've seen my sister go through and all my really close friends. And then you have to push a baby out of your watermelonlon for a minute, what the what the equivalent is? They said,

is imagine pushing out a golf ball? Well, they say they say that kidney stones are very comparable. Can you tell us about you? Can you tell us about your dating life? Post? Don't use anything that can be comparable. Egg. Yeah, so what stating for You've been like since November, it's been so free. I mean, this was the the other thing I wanted to tell you, Grys that it's so it's so empowering to be able to do it because

I feel like I'm taking the pressure off. Like egg I was like, oh my God, Like, okay, I cadn't because even though I need a great guy and I go on a date and we have so much fun and it's amazing, I think as a one, and you just sort of start to go through the process of like the timeline, okay, like if we date for a year, that's the year of my life. And what if we don't getting dates, then I'm back where I started, Like you kind of go through what could be of course,

and I'm just not doing that anymore. And so it's made it really light and free and fun and easy. And I know that I've got my eggs on ice and they're there for me for whenever I'm ready, and until then, I don't have to sacrifice, you know, my standards for wanting to have a family. I hope that that's the encouragement I want to hear from a guy's perspective too. Though, well, you'll find it. We'll get there. If you get real men on this podcast, you know

I would do it. Just do it. I mean honestly, if you have the means and you have the time, It's not like you go psycho for six weeks. I mean, you can handle it. You may just be crampy. You're not like you're not you're not doing like, You're not like committing crimes. Sadie, What are the odds? What are the odds we see you on another bachelor's show, Bachelor in Paradise, Come on Paradise this summer. You're single. You're single. I always say never, say never, Sadie. It's really nice

this time of year. The pressure is off. You have your eggs frozen. I know you're so right. I think I think that is sale that rather go to border by Art to um like on my own with video without cameras around, would get that. That makes all of us we'll Sadie, thank you so thank you so much for calling in and sharing your experience with everything. Do you want to plug anything before we get you off? I know you have obviously, like you said, your go

to girlfriends. Yeah, all my infots on Instagram and I'm I'm at your girlfriends so you you can find everything there and it's so much fun. I do great fun suits with Extra with Mario Lopez, and there's so many fun things going on right now. So yeah, just check out Instagram. Awesome, go to a girlfriend on Instagram. Maybe we'll see in paradi Us next year, who knows. I'm still holding out for it. It's ever. You know what the future brings exactly a good resurgence. You said the

last time you ron you were twenty four. Now you're gonna I was gonna say, everyone's everyone's been posting these ten year challenges. It's the ten year challenge that I want to see. So um, Sadie, thank you so much again for calling in and sharing your story. And it's great to hear everything's going so well for you. Um and hopefully we talked to you soon. Thanks guys, take care of by. Okay, before we jump into and kind of dissect that and digest it and spit it back

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Chris Sols another throwback. But we would love to talk to her. She froze her eggs, she's fertility nurse, checks all the boxes. Um, Whitney, are you there? I am here, Hikay, how are you hi? Whitney? Um, so, thank you so

much for calling in today. You're here with me, Jared and Vanessa, and today's topic we're we're discussing, um, freezing your eggs because it's something that Vanessa has been opened about in the past, and we kind of want to gather insight from everyone around us that we possibly can. Whitney before we jump into that dough, do you do you mind sharing more about yourself just to kind of

refresh the listeners minds? Yeah? Absolutely, So, UM, I don't know how much you want me to tell about myselfever you're comfortable with, Well, you just recently got married. It's a year, right, Yeah, we just cut our year anniversary. So recently got married. Um. We got married in Cape Cod. It was absolutely beautiful. But some people may remember me from season nineteen of The Bachelor. Um, what was seems like it was forever ago. A lot has changed since then.

But I am a facility nurse specializing in ex breathing. So Vanessa, I am here at the answer question, so bring it on, okay. So um, Well, first of all, Whitney, I don't know if you remember meeting me. We met at yes, exactly met at their wedding and I was telling Jared this before we started recording today. I remember seeing my start crying. Why am I so emotional? I'm not even on my period. Remember seeing you with uh then I guess it was your fiance. You were getting

married within a couple of months. I remember seeing how happy you were, and at that point in my relationship with Nick, um, we weren't doing that great. And so I remember looking at you guys and thinking like, Okay, well there is hope, yeah, Um, and there is hope outside of the bachelor world. If ever, you know understand that feeling that you felt completely so more than you

know so. So I feel like I can relate to you on so many different levels, especially like your fertility nurse and um, you've helped out I think a few people in the pastor world when it came to egg freezing, specifically Caitlin, Caitlin and Carly and early as well. Okay, can you just explain um the process. Well, before we get into the process, at what age should we start thinking about this? Because right now I'm watching the Mindy Project.

Well it's like the third time I watched this. But she's a fertility she has a fertility clinic and she goes around campuses and she tells like women in their twenties to start freezing their eggs. Um, And I'm like, oh, I'm thirty one, that I like missed the mark. You

really didn't know. I mean, in a perfect world, we would love to reach women and their mid twenties, mid to late twenties to freeze their eggs, because the younger you are when you do this, the better be as the quality and the quantity of your egg Who's going to be the best to the younger that you are.

But it's important to remember that any time is better than no time, And studies have been done on a woman's o very in reserve and what happens as we age, and those studies really show us that the best time to do this is between the ages of twenty five and thirty five. Now for women that are over thirty five. Again, it doesn't mean that you're a candidate I think at

that point, or that you're not a candidate. Excuse me, but I think at that point it's really about managing expectations about what treatment is going to look like for

you specifically. Okay, so it's so funny that you say mid mid to late twenty because I feel like when we're in our twenties, we're trying not to get pregnant, but that's a that's when we're at our prime, right, our eggs are like it is the most fertile, so much of a catch twenty two Because you're right, I mean, the younger you are when you do this, the better.

But you're not thinking about that, you know, freezing your eggs and your twenties, and you know a lot of times if you are thinking about it, you're thinking, I've got plenty of time, I don't need to be or you aren't as financially stable if you would like to be kind of push it off that way. Um, that the younger you are when you do it's the best chance of success, the better the outcome, and really the

cheaper it is. So can we just get into anatomy because I don't know if um, everyone knows that women I don't know. This might be an ignorant common for me to say, but I don't know if everyone knows that women are born with all of their eggs. Yes, so women are born with all of the eggs, um that they will ever have in their lifetime. And how many is that? So it's it's millions. It's millions um

on average. I mean, there's some women that you know have some sort of genetic predisposition or something to where they would have less or they would have premature varying failure, but typically it's millions. The comparison as men, So men they make s firm every seventy four days. So it's very, very different. And you know, the studies that just pump

each other, so it's so unfair. But the studies that have been done on women's reserve, if we think about this, this is the best way that I explain it to patients, is if we thought of this imaginary line graphs in our mind, and the day that you're born, you're on the top left with millions of eggs and starting a day one of life, lose the eggs every single day. So but every not is it every single day or is it every time you menstruate every you're losing next

every day losing eggs? I thought was the time mentorate. Wait, no, an egg an egg drops every time I menstrate. Correct, And so you have many many immature oh sites with your eggs that are just you know, only one maturity each month, and you lose that one, but that all of the immature ones are just absorbed within the body. So the fertility is declining, or that line is declining gradually over time. The rate at which that line declines, though,

is going to vary from person to personally. An aesthetic, you know, their helps, you know, many many different things can affect to next. But the point, the point is that each woman has a finite number of eggs. Well, we have millions. We started off with millions, But I want to know what's the ratio between the infertile ones are the mature ones you were as you were calling them. Yeah, so I mean every single month, if you know, when you're going through your cycle, you mature one and you

ovulate that egg out. Now, obviously there's exceptions to every single rule. This is not black and white science never is. Occasionally there's women that mature more than one egg and they ovulate that out, and that's where we see twins. We see fraternal twins by didentical twins would be once an egg is fertilized and once and then it's splits. So that's the difference. I wouldn't be able to give

you an exact number, though. The ratio of mature to immature. Yeah, when you said earlier that it's actually cheaper for girls to do it younger, what did you mean by it? Lies it cheaper. It's cheaper because the more fertile that you are, so the younger that you are, the less medications you're going to need to stimulate the ovaries, and the likelihood of you only needing one treatment cycle is greater. And that always has people kind of question, like one

treatment cycle, what does that even mean? Well, the bowl number of eggs to freeze is typically around fifteen to twenty eggs, and that doesn't equal fifteen to twenty babies because there's a lot that has to happen between the time we retrieve the eggs and the time that you know, we would create embryos and transfer them. Um. But there's a natural attrition that takes place. So for a woman, this is just for sake of example, I say she comes in, she freezes her eggs, and we're able to

get six to seven eggs. Well, that's better than if you did nothing. The chance of success from that is small because once you come back, if then when to use the eggs, we have to solve them. We have to fertilize them, they have to grow into embryos. My step here is that my point here is that at every step of the way it's likely that you may lose an egg here there. So if you're starting with six, that's not really giving you the best rate of success.

So fifteen to twenty is really that goal number. The younger you are, the more of the likelihood that you're going to knock out fifteen and twenty in one cycle, because you have more versus the older that you are. And they take a couple of treatment rounds to get to that goal number since the price is going to go up. And what does a treatment look like? Ten

to fourteen days of giving yourself injections? Um, that always seems to scare people, but you know, when they kind of go through the process, it's more of the unknown that seems to be more scary. Once they go through that first night of injections, you know, they realize that it isn't as bad as what they really thought. But

ten to fourteen days of injections. Throughout the ten to fourteen days, you would go into the facility on an average about six times over two weeks to monitor your response. To the medication, so seeing how all your responding. So that way, if the physician needs to tie rate thement at all, if you need an increase in them, if you need to cut back a little bit um, we can do that based on your response. And then after that two week period you do go in for your

extraction process that is done under twilight sedation. It is an outpatient procedure, but it's something to where it's kind of it's similar to if you had your wisdom teeth taken out. You have an ivy, but you're breathing and everything on your own. It's not like general anesthesia. But the process itself is only about ten or fifteen minutes and that's one time. So you go you go to the doctor's office six times on an average on a bridge.

There's some people that need to go as many times and some people that you need to be seen more often than that. The extraction is once once. Now that's for one treatment cycle. When I'm talking about women that need to or own yes, then that would be multiple times. So when you what is your recommendation for someone like Vanessa? So you know, and I'm speaking from a nurse and also pasent I froze my egg six years ago. I was twenty seven. UM my recommendation is to gain as

much knowledge as possible. I think that you know, there's a lot that you can find online, and as amazing as egg freezing is, I think it's important to be sure that you're getting the right information to make sure that this is a good decision for you. So or I work we UM in Chicago, it's Ova egg Freezing. We offer complimentary initial consults to really talk about UM everything egg freezing and what it would specifically mean for you.

And the initial consult, like I said with me, is compliments, complimentary, and then we talked about what next steps would be. And next steps is really gaining more information about you specifically and your fertility through some pre screen testing, ultrasound, blood work, et cetera, to kind of get an eye idea of what your fertility is right now, and from that point, we're able to put together a treatment plan.

You're able to then sit down with the physician with your results so that we can customize UM the plan and also manage expectations about what treatments really gonna look like. So if someone like me or anyone that's listening wants to do UM this type of procedure, What kind of

budgeting should we start looking into. Yeah, so it's it's gonna vary, and I think that you know, most insurance companies, unfortunately are not on board with us because they're not considering it fertility treatments or considering it an elective procedure,

which is really unfortunate and something that we're working to change. UM. But if you are a self pay patient, I would plan that one treatment cycle is going to range somewhere between seven to eight thousand dollars, and that does not include your medication, so stations would be on top of that, and your medications or order for you directly dependent on

how fertile you are. So again, the more fertile you ares UM and that pre screen testing, the less meds you're going to need to really stimulate the ovaries and then vice versa. So those can range on average from

like three to seven thousand dollars per cycle. So it's it's very pricey, but we do see that some insurance companies do offer UM some coverage from the medications dance side of things, have some help there UM and in our facilities specifically We do offer customized UM financial packages, financial plans, payment plans, UM and things like that. So

definitely ask questions about how you can save money. Might be a dumb question, but there's no side effects from getting your there definitely, So any time that you're having a a medical procedure or be taking medication, there's a risk of side effects. The risk UM with egg freezing, it's small, but they're definitely there and something that you really want to speak with your physition about side effects of medications. Typically what I see from patients and what

I experienced personally, UM temporary weight gain, bloating UM. Occasionally patients complain of being a little bit more emotional, but they are Again it's important to remember that they are temporary. Sodeed and I were talking about our twenty nineteen New Year's resolution, and I don't know if I told you investing was one of mine. What are you going to invest in? Well, um, I need help investing invest in yourself. But also I wanna Yeah, so there's UM. This is

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lot helps you understand it. And then there's like the it has like the ratings to buy hold sell for every stocks. It helps you, It helps guide you. So so about six to seven months ago when I got into it UM, it was very challenging for me because I had read books, so I took business and finance classes in college, but I didn't really fully understand it. And this was before I knew about the robin Hood app,

and I just like struggled through it. I was like us falling over myself, not really knowing what I was doing, investing in companies that I didn't really know much about UM. But now what's great about robin hood is you're able to do your research. They're able to help guide you down the right path to UM investing and helping you build your wealth through the app itself. So go to dan one dot robin Hood dot com. Again, that is d E A N the number one dot robin hood

dot com. Check it out. What any question for you? And this, Jared said, his was a dumb question. This might be the dumbest of all question. When you when you extract an egg to be frozen, are you pulling from like when the body and when the female body drops an egg or or discards an egg. Is it just pulling an egg at random? Is there an ex Is there an egg in the queue? And then when you pull one to be frozen, are you pulling that egg that's last in the queue. Are you just going

in there and pulling from some random location? How does that work? So? I think I'm understanding what you're asking, but let me I might do a bad job. What if what if you pulled the egg that's next in the queue to be fertilized, if you were to inseminate naturally. Okay, So basically every single month, you're recruiting many many O sites or immature eggs like I talked about, and you mature or odulate out one and all of those other ones that were in this queue so to speak, are

then lost and them storbed within the body. So we're not taking any eggs that you would need in the future if you were to conceive naturally. So we're essentially saving the eggs that you would have lost that month. Anyway, that makes sense that that's perfectly Can you repeat that last part? You're saving the eggs that we would have otherwise have lost lost anyways that specific month, the immature eggs. The immature were maturing them with medications, gowing, tracting them.

If you hadn't done treatment, you would have just walked those eggs. It's not like shore them up for future youth. I mean, that's a that's a pretty big selling point on that. I think, yeah, that's probably agree But how do you know if one is mature or not? That I missed that part. So you know that by looking underneath the microscope, and that's what the embryologists do. Um, that's what they're trained to do, and through vitrification, which is the science of egg freezing that we're doing. It's

really important. I do want to say this, especially for all of the listeners out there, but not only that you're vetting the facility and the physician that you're working with. The lab is such a key part in this because the lab and the embryologists are the ones that are actually freezing your eggs, and egg freezing is a very fine tune technology. This isn't like freezing an embryo with

I VS. Embryos are much more stable than eggs because they're all of the chromosomes that you need to make a baby, whereas eggs are only half of them and they're very very fragile. So again, it's a practice that takes place to really gain success with this. So you don't want to just google something and go and do it. You really want to do your research and ask the right questions. So you said it costs between seven to

eight thousand dollars without medication per treatment. Now that doesn't include um like the reservoir, right, yeah, so the storing um in our facility, we include one year of storing in the first treatments. The package for that seven to eight thousand dollars, it's gonna vary from year to year. On average, is about five to six hundred dollars a year to store the egg. Okay, yeah, yeah, I mean it would be more manageable than then when you're talking

about treatment. So it's how much like a like a storage and it would cost, like out in Los Angeles, fifty fifty bucks a month roughly. Yeah, you're comparing my eggs. I'm bringing your eggs to the f nature that I would put in storage. Joy Joy worker. Um, let's let's live it real quick, because for a while, as a younger man my late teens, early twenties, I had always thought about freezing my sperm. Yeah, do you guys work on that at all? So OVA, specifically, we do not.

We're actually in um only doing eggs at this point. But with men it's again, it's a completely different ball game and it's totally unfair. You do see and studies that as in an age, there is a little bit of the quality that it is affected in terms of their sperm, but not nearly as drastic as women. So men make firm every semi four days. They will continue

to do so until basically they did they die. UM. Now, when I think it's really important to think about breathing your sperm is if there is some sort of um medical conditions, specifically cancer, any sort of cancer treatments that would affect the sperm cells and could make scrolls. So at that point, yes, definitely you want to sperm as much um as much as possible for you before you would undergo treatment. So don't have a question for you. Did you want to freeze your sperm in order to

get like did you want to get snipped? I mean the thought that I had as a younger man was to get my sperm pros and then get a a sectomy. Okay, I mean, I granted, I don't have that opinion anymore. It's not necessarily the worst idea because you could reverse the vice of aasectomy, right, but it's not always um guaranteed, right right? I mean, yeah, that was the thought because have you ever heard that saying it makes more sense to take the bullets out of a gun than it

does to shoot out a bullet. Yes, And so that's just where I was at, was like, I mean, I would rather have some say over this, this very important thing in my life. And you were looking forward to having a gun that didn't shoot any bullets, but then right, and then I could just like save the golden bullets for later on. Yeah, but you would need to still put a put that gun in a holster, if you

know what I mean? You know what I mean, Like, because then i'd be nervous about being more you know, loose minded about it, be like, oh well now I'm fine forgetting about don'tses gun diseases. Whitney. Thank you so much for calling us today, Whitney, I'll definitely be reaching out to you. I have other questions for you up. Is there any um like where can we find you? Or where can we find the OVA Clinic? Yes? So, OVA is our website is OVA at freezing dot com.

And for any inquiries or to schedule that complimentary consultation, you can just shoot us an email at info at OVA at freezing dot com. That's amazing. And where can we find you on Instagram? I am gosh, I need to be better about Instagram. I am so bad about both being and things. But I am at w B six to four perfect. Well, Whitney, thank you so much coming on and please tell Ricky I said what's up?

Because here there it I will and congratulations on your one year on a wedding anniversary based and I appreciate it, you know what. You know, that was so informative. That was great. You know, it's funny thinking about so the first time I met Whitney was that Carly and Evans wedding. Oh, that was the first time. I think it was the first time a minute. Yeah, and then you know, it's really funny when you think about back upon that time. So that was almost two years ago. You were with Nick,

I wasn't with Ashley. Your season of paradise was at the moment indefinitely suspended. Those are better simpler times, Isn't it crazy to think about, Like, wow, that was It feels like a ten years ago. It wasn't that simple for me, it was. It's much simpler for me. Um anyway, Yeah, Vanessa, do you what are you coming away from all of that with it sounds like we have a ton of information. Um, so I guess the only like I don't know, maybe this is just a dumb statement. The only real downside

of freezing eggs would be the money. Yeah, that's costly, So that's I guess that's what she was um saying. If you're younger, like, if you're she was saying to late twenties, then one treatment. Yeah, well late to mid twenties is when your most fertile, So then one treatment would probably enough to get those eggs now at my age, now,

you know, I don't know what my what it looks like. Um, but it might be a little bit more costly as you age because you might need to do more treatments in order to get those eggs, to extract those eggs. I count my lucky stars every day that I am a guy, because women you just have to think so much more. But I think that's and if you relate to And I love that you brought that point up because people say I'm such a thinker. I'm like, yeah,

I'm a thinker because you have to be. I kind of have to yea like as a guy, it's I don't have to think like you have to. You know, we can conceive one time at one you know, we can conceive every How can I explain this? Like I can have a baby with one man at a time. You can go and like as many women and for example, Tom Brady in pregnant the same time. Yeah, well at the same time, I think she's pregnant A little afterwards. It what happened was Bridget was pregnant while he first

started dating Giselle. That was the issue. If if Genghisan was a woman, I mean, oh my god, the Mongolians never would have ruled us. But even it's funny, you're still so young. You're thirty one years old, but then in these terms, you're thinking, Wow, I'm old because I only have a few more years where I really have to make a decision on what I'm gonna do with my family, so to speak, even though it's not impossible

after your thirty five. But I feel like a lot of women talk about being thirty five as like the beginning of the end of like I need to really start having to kid trying having kids now. I think it was a big reality check when Mark and I were having this discussion. Um, and I never thought I would because I come from a traditional Italian family where everyone is married before the age of thirty and they already have their kids, and they already have like their

family and their house and all that. And I'm like, wow, I went on the Bachelor to find love, That's what That was my story. Dean, what's going on your checking your overaries? Well that's a great story. One And Dean just has his shirt up and he's just checking his stomach. Picture everything's in place like a rash this pastgain. I'm sorry, are you're not using soap? Again, I think you know what you need to go. You need to go to Thrive Market. Yeah, what do they have a market for?

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legit can get in everything. Shampoo's like, uh, I mean I've gotten face washed from their shampoo's, I've gotten condiments, I've gotten snacks something else. I mean they might sell us, you know, you never know. I'm sure they check it out. Guys. Before we wrap up the episode, let's answer one email. Okay, I want to apologize to Tom Brady. He did not have two women pregnant at the same time. I told you this podcast he's going to be. However, Arn Schwarzenegger

did that, the little Wheezy Little Wayne did that? You Grant did that pregnant at the same time? Fattie Wop and did he? All celebrities who have gotten multiple women pregnant simultaneously. I mean, that's not like a good job. I don't know what to say to that. Shame. Well, she's right, it can be done. Which would you like, Vanessa? Which one do you want me to read? Um? I love antonomous, We love the anonymous. Yeah, you're right, I

got multiple anonymous You want? Are you wanted? The two brothers? One girl requested? All right. A few years ago, I met a pair of very nice brothers and I had a crush on one of them, but the other one was more friendly with me. Isn't that always the way he was? He has expressed interest in me and has mentioned that he has noticed I liked his brother when we first met. Well, at this point, I'm not really interesting the friendly one, but I'm still entertaining the idea

of the other one. So what in the world am I supposed to do? If I get any closer to the friendly brother, I'll be forever off limits of the other brother. But at this point, the other brother and I have zero direct contact. So I'm wondering if y'all think there's any way I can pull this off. Help. I suck at dating, but I'm also a modern woman. Go girl and in with the friendly one and try to make the transfer to the non existence done before

I've been okay. Well, my only reservation with this is if she ends up marrying him, that's going to be like a weird energy. They'll get over it, They'll move on the old switcheroo. I've seen George can Stanza do this many of times on Seinfeld. I would just go for the one you like. Don't even try to go

through one brother to get to the other. Just go after the one you like, because then it's gonna get messy if you start becoming friendly with one and then study switch rude to the especially the fact that she said she has no communication with the first brother, so that one's already out of your life. Done, Sein sealed delivered. He's no longer yours. Move on to the next brother that you're interested in, and there might be potential future with and not to don't even worry about the other guy.

So reach out to the one you like without letting the friendly one know, just go behind his back? Which which brother? Which brother? Shall we listen to? The one she's really too will name him Dean I don't like, and they're really a friendly one. I don't like where this and you're talking about Mark? Yeah? But which brother? Do we know? She's having contact with her, the friendly one? The friendly one? But what has she mentioned? It's like text messages and all that. I would be a little

bit weary of that. So she's in contact with Easton, but she really wants to get with Dean. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. My advice is to just sideswipe Eastern and go straight for Dean. I agree, Go for Dean, go just reach out, just find him. Why not of a time, because it would I would tell Dean, Hey, by the way, I know your brother, because I wouldn't want to start a relationship. He already know that she knows Easton. You know that she knows Easton. Yeah, of

course she dated Easton for a while. I would, I would, I would do with van Sa says, I would tell the other brother, Hey, I know your brother, but I don't know if you want to. She never dated Easton. Eastern has been very friendly to her. Yes, But the thing is, I don't think. I think if Dean's not going to carry the way, so like, you might as well just be honest so you can be like, hey, I was up front with you because it Okay, let's

call this girl Vanessa because she's anonymous. Okay, whoa, whoa, whoa. I'm just putting my lip on here. Dean's not gonna care if Vanessa talked to Easton that that will not stop him from dating Vanessa. No, that wouldn't bother Dean and might bother Easton. And Vanessa goes straight to deal without telling Easton. That's what I'm saying, which is what But no, no, no, no, no, no, you're how God,

I'm losing my mind here. No, but I think that Easton will at least appreciate Vanessa being honest to Dean his brother about knowing each other instead, because I think would be a worse look for Vanessa. If Easton goes to Dean and say, hey, I heard you're talking to Vanessa. I used to talk and Dean's like, oh, I didn't know that. But if Vanessa tells Dean I used to talk to Easton, and think about how mu fun it would be, the sneak around behind Easton's back. It is

very fun. I'm not going to deny this. So Vanessa, if you're sure, sneak around, have some fun. But if you're like thirty and you want to serious relationship, tell Dean that you used to talk to Easton. So could she go to Easton and say, look, and I'm the ages, don't do that. Don't do that. Eastern. You're great, You're really nice. I'm not interested in anything romantic, but your brother is really interesting to me. Do you think you could set us up? Is there any way she could

pull that off? I guess right. She might lose Eastern as a friend, but who cares. She's also gonna lose a potential Partner's not going to set up his brother with a girl that he likes. He's going to poise in the water. I would either go directly to the source and then say, hey, I've also I know your brother, but I would be honest I know your brother and like we kind of had a thing, or I just know your brother and we were friends. No, I would

be completely honest, just say you know her brother. Don't even say a thing. If a girl was talking to me and I was like, hey, you're nice, but I really like Ross. Who is my brother, I'd be like, oh great, let me changing names. People are going to get confused. It's his actual actual Okay. If someone, if a girl I was talking to actually told me like, hey, I like Ross more than I like A more interested in Ross than you. If you were into her, yeah,

that would hurt no way. And if I came up to you and I like Ross, yeah, you're right, I never would have left. I was in a reverse version of this when I was in high school. I did a young I told the story before, but she I did a young l who was a twin, and we broke up. I stayed friends with the other twin, which probably wasn't appropriate. She grew close to me. We were we were intimate one time. Easton such a bad boy. I know, uh, because I found her attractive and she

told me. She told me she wanted to date me, and I couldn't. I couldn't stop thinking about how I like that would destroy your relationship with your sister twin sister, I just I did. There's always repercussions. I'm like, I don't want to deal. I don't want this to happen. That twins did it on on Ben season. You know

what you sign it up for. But still I think speaking in and even on the show though, they showed them getting jealous of each other, and like I remember, I think it was Emily at one point was saying, how like Ben needs to make a decision. It's either Haley or me. Dean, Yeah, what about one of the twins? When is sin still single and they're stunning for me? Yeah?

For me? Well, Haley, excuse me, Emily is dating um Larks No, Jelly Clarkson, No close, No, it's William Player, Oh my god, and anyway he plays, No, it's it's I think Haley is signaled though. Yeah, great, Haley is wonderful. I ever met her. It was fantastic. Actually for a brief second. Don't try to set me up. Yeah they got the plates. Yeah, don't get me wrong. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with either of them. I think they're both gorgeous. Just trying to help you out here.

Has anyone else ever did at a twin? No? Uh, yeah, yeah, how'd that go? I didn't really know that his brother that well, just introduced to him after we started dating. Switch ruse on you or anything like that. No, there was like one distinct feature about this guy that uh, I'll tell you. I feel bad that on damn anyways, that I'll do it. For this week's egg freezing episode of Help I Suck at Dating, It's been a good one, as always with Vanessa in studio. Big thank you to

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ever been in my entire life. What is going I've been hosting this podcast the longest and I'm the only single one on the podcast. Now, well, have I learned nothing? I did a podcast this morning and I think so, I don't think you've learned anything, And like, have you guys ever met Dean and they're like no, I'm like, oh my god, listen, I big you up all the time. Things I need, you need to pick yourself up. Yeah. Yeah, I like to put myself down so other people can

build me up. We should talk about that on the podcast at some point, because I think that's an interesting conversation. We tapped into it a little bit last week. And I've also had I've dated some pretty some people that are pretty mean to me. So you know, I'm moving forward. I'm going to start focusing on We're going to screen them for you before you start dating them. Thank you so much for listening to this episode of Help I Suck at Dating, Jared and Vanessa don't suck anymore, but

hopefully next week I suck a little bit less. Follow Help I Suck At Dating with Dean, Vanessa, and Jared on I Heart Radio or wherever you listen to podcast