Going the Distance with Hannah Brown

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I'm Kailen Bell, I'm Dean Bell, and I'm Jared Han.

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Hello everybody, Welcome to an all new episode of Suckers.

I am Dean. My pimple is gone.

We have Kaylin here in the same room as me and Jared over in Rhode Island. Very special guest is joining us this week on Suckers. I think we might have talked about it a couple weeks.

No, maybe not.

But we have Hannah Brown, the one and only Hannah Bee, joining us all the way from Nashville, Tennessee.

Hi, Hannah, Hi, wait, I need to.

Hear about this pimple. I had a pimple too.

Do you see it on my forehead?

Not?

I mean, is it right right right here? That's like darker yep. Oh.

Kylen gave me some skincare serum and it kind of knocked it out pretty quick, but it's still there's some remnants there.

Yeah. I mean, he just uses body lotion on his face so clogged. His pours up pretty quick.

But my skin was looking real young and fresh.

I had a really big like pimple that was inside my nose that was making my whole nose swell on one side, Like it looks like I had had really bad rhinoplasty and I just had to take like medication.

To get it to swell. Oh wow, Well, but it didn't look like a pimple. It was just like mostly just my nose looked swelling something.

Yeah, I thought we were past the age of getting pimples. Like even in high school I kind of got them a little bit, but not that much. But in our thirties, we should not be getting pimples.

Oh my gosh. I agree.

I had a really bad about Like Kaylen probably knows this. My skin blew up at like twenty three, and I was like, what is happening to me? While I was like on the Bachelor and everything, We're finally passed that. That was like a traumatizing experience for me.

So I think it's probably all the stress. Maybe didn't help you all that.

Much, probably did not help naturally also.

Too, Kaylen, I don't know, well you're experience was, but I feel like, since you guys are wearing makeup so often for that stuff, that can't be good for your skin, right, Yeah, my skin wasn't happy.

No, I don't think that that helped in any way. I think I was having like more like like internal stuff going on. But yeah, that didn't make it where I could like actually like let it settle down for sure.

Oh man, Dean, you've had experiences where you probably haven't washed your face in quite a long while, and then now you are much more domesticated. My I'm curious because I've thought about this. Do you think that your skin is clearer with washing it consistently or not washing it?

Yeah?

I'm sure Kaylen would say my skin's never been cleaner because I started using soap on it. But I think personally cleanliness and healthiness maybe aren't aren't the same thing.

So dude could not agree more.

I swear to God if I don't wash my face for like, all right, this is disgusting, but whatever, who cares? If I don't wash my face for two days, I feel like my skin looks great, and then I'll wash it and then like a pimple will come up, and I'm like, what is going on?

I'm gonna tell you, I don't think this is right. But when I was on Special Forces for ten days, I didn't wash my face and my skin was so clear. The first few days. It was like, but when I got home, my skin broke out when I started using all my face stuff again.

So there there is something too. It's probably actually getting alved in dirt out.

There's the Yes, Okay, we do have a lot to talk to you about, but special Forces is one of them because I'm trying to get my husband on that show.

Is pimples not one of the things you wanted to talk All right, let's let's pivot. Let's pivot away from pimples.

I agree with darre The longer you go without washing your face, the cleaner it looks.

Who would have thought? Not me?

Just saying, but before we get to the Special Forces thing, Hannah, we want to congratulate you on your engagement. That's awesome, thank you. That was that was quite like a few months ago, wasn't it.

I think, like, yeah, it was that that like like of last year.

Nice.

So yeah, we're we're just now it's been like a very busy season. But starting the wedding planning process.

How that.

I don't know why I decided to actually start the process while I'm trying to promote a big project that was like literally started doing it exactly when I was like it was everything was gearing up. So it started and it's stalled pretty quickly. But it's something I'm really looking forward to, like after this book is out into the world, like that it's going to be like my main focus because it is. It feels like it's like a full time job to do and I'm so excited

Both of us. And yeah, he's been helpful.

That's great. Do you think I was helpful your wedding at all?

No, But that's how I wanted it. I'm like type A, I need to make the decisions, but he was a little bit involved. So it is a full time job though it's like so time consuming but fun.

It was hard.

I mean, I can't I have so many sleepless nights just thinking about things I wanted to be absolutely perfect. Does he have certain things that he really wants that you don't want that you guys are like clashing about it all.

It's not that we have things that we that's really different.

I think at first, like he wanted like a bigger wedding and like one of both of our you know, we're in therapy talk all the time, but like wounds is feeling like a burden in some way, So like us wanting to do what we want to do if that inconveniences other people, he has a really hard time

Special for us. So we've had to really work on.

Of course we care about we want the people, like our people to be there, but let's make sure we don't lose sight of like this is a day to celebrate us, and what do we actually want, like whatever our non negotiables. So that's been something we've both had to work on, but something because he's like just so kind and cares so much about other people that we really had to to remember.

That this is this is our day. So we've had those type of talks.

Nice.

Yeah, I remember one thing I really put my foot down about was I really wanted ice cream instead of like a traditional wedding cake birthday cake, and Kaylen was like, heck, yeah, let's do it right away. So that was like the that I'm pretty sure that was like the only thing that I really kind of stuck my foot down on.

Yeah, but we struggled with that too. Like the price of our wedding, it was it was pretty expensive to go and that was something we signed the contract and then they changed the prices on us, so it's like we're kind of screwed here. But we strogg struggled with that too, where we're like, we don't want people to feel inconvenienced or like they can't afford it. It's tough.

Yeah, Yeah, that's been our biggest thing.

We want to like, we want our people to be able to go.

But yeah, y'all's wedding was so beautiful.

By the way, my brother also got married in Colorado, and I just it's like the most beautiful backdrop and everything. We kind of thought about that, but because my brother done something similar, I want to I kind of want to do something opposite. And it's hard because we're both we're from different He's from Oklahoma, I'm from Alabama, and we live in Tennessee, but we met in California, so everybody that we know, like it's going to have to

Gonna meet up? And I want it to be like.

It's I really care about like experiences, guest experience, Like I want it to feel like we're on a small, like two day trip as like friends and family together somewhere. So yeah, it's it's fun, but I'm trying not to get like too involved. And then it's just like you said, it's so consuming. It takes a lot of work.

So do you guys have an idea of where it's going to be then somewhere central or have you not gotten to that point.

I feel like we haven't made the decision yet.

But I've always really wanted to do international, and we have some places that we feel really connected in but we're still we're going like pricing, just trying to make sure that like it's all gonna work. But honestly, I look at other places and it's it's not that much different in calls in some ways too if we do

Do you have a timeframe of when the wedding might be. I'm really hoping not to give us an exact date.

I don't have a date.

I don't have a date, but I would think around this time next next year is what we're trying to get honed in. But I would need to if we're doing international, I need to go, of course, do some investigations.

That sounds like a really good excuse to go travel somewhere.

I know I'm always looking for when we were thinking about going for like going to Spain just for fun. But now if we are going to have to start looking at a few of these places, it might there might be some trips in our future to go look at different wedding venues.

But like right now, I just can't even like I've got to get through which I'm not get through.

I'm so excited to be talking about my new book, but trying to like really be fully here in this season and then go on to the next. So if you see us out on social media, like in some different places, there's a good chance it's.

Your venue shopping.

It's just a business, business trip, business trip. All right, you mentioned it, Anna, so let's talk about it. You're you're writing a book or your books? Is it out yet or.

It comes out May seven?

Okay?

Nice, So we're we're a couple of weeks away from the book coming out. That's very exciting. Can we hear about it? What's it about? What inspires you to write it?

Yeah? So this is my second book. My first book was a book more about my life. But this is a work of fiction. This is a novel.

It's my very first novel called Mistakes We Never Made. It is a romance, which, of course from all of our background, like people love and are rooting for our journeys with love and as an avid reader myself, I love the romance genre. But I really wanted it to be something that the people who have supported me also really enjoyed so it just it just made sense. I've always enjoyed writing, like as a hobby, but it's been really cool to be able to.

Really dive into.

This part of my career as an author, and I've had like an amazing team to help me make this book what it is. But it's a story about a girl named Emma who is very type a uh. It feels like she has to control things, has to take care of people, and it's her best friend, Sybil's wedding, and unfortunately, her best friend is also really good friends with a guy from her past who was like always that almost guy that it almost worked out with but really never could figure out how to.

Make it work.

And they're all there for ony a weekend she's trying to keep under control until Sybil goes missing, and of course Emma feels like it's her duty to protect Sybil from making the worst mistake of her life, so her and Emma and Finn go on this road trip wild goose Chase to try to find Sybil, and in that time, we as readers kind of go on the journey of if these two can ever get it right and not make it in it and really be able to communicate and figure out why there was all these these series

It's a really fun book. I'm really proud of it. People really like it.

Have you done much writing before, like, because for me, writing a book, especially nonfiction book where you have to wait, sorry, no, it is a fiction book. I always get those stories, get those guys always every single time. It's real and not real. It's just make it, make the real. Yeah, anyway, sorry, have you ever written anything like that before? Because for me, it's the only thing I can write about is drawing from personal experiences, and so the idea of writing something

Yeah, I mean I've done some creative creative writing in the past, like in college.

But like.

I think you're so right, Dean, Like I don't think I could do just write something out of thin air, just like completely create it. Like there has to be truth in anything that I'm writing. So even for example, in this book, like Emma is not me, but she is a part of me, and her thoughts and feelings like are things that have come from like a true place even though like totally different situation, LI know, like different universe in a way, but this is it's all

So that's where like the truth and where.

I could find like my uh footing when working on the story was that it had to come from something that, like I could really really write about because I have experienced Even though I have an experience going on a wild goose chase for my friend who's escaped her wedding, like I can't experience that. I don't know what that's like, but I can imagine that and create that. But the feeling she has in that, how would I feel if I was more or less of these parts of me?

Nice.

I love it.

I'm excited to read it. How long did it take to write?

Oh my gosh, I think it's been about a two year process.

I have a co author, Emily Laerbee, who is, you know, a professional, been doing this for years and years, so like without her, this would have probably taken me ten plus years to do because it's a lot of planning and you have to be really organized and like plot points and even sometimes like you'll have a whole idea of where the story goes and then it just doesn't work,

And so it took up.

It's been about a two year like whole process, but that is a pretty short amount of time in book world. And just really thankful for the people that kind of just helped me.

And encouraged me that that we could we could do this.

I think some of the best pieces of work, because you were talking, Hannah about Emma is a part of you, the main character in the book, but I think a lot of the best pieces of work, whether it be literature or movies or songs, because you know, songs are the first one to come to mind. Obviously Taylor Swift is on everybody's mind, but like there are a lot of pieces of her songs that are personal stories of hers that she projects or like she writes about and

With like on television, like people really relate to authenticity and people especially now they're just being so much content out there. People can sniff it out, you know, and that's in that's in books, that's in like songs like where where is that actually coming from? So I think it's really important, Like if I'm gonna do any type of project, it can't just be like just because because people can tell like that's not really Hannah are are? Are are true?

So yeah, I think that also like from four people who's in who are in a zoom right now, all coming from Bachelor World, I think that's also true with reality TV. There is a like, for example, like my own I mean, sure, I'm Hannah, you can speak to this probably much better than myself. But like the journey that I took on the show of Bachelor, like the Jared that was shown on TV. Of course that's who I am, and that's that's a part of me. But there's so much more to that than people see, both

Yes, Oh, I love that you said that, because like that's really like this whole book, like what it's about.

I think a lot of times people will hold themselves back because they're scared of messing up making mistake. But like I think, especially you guys, know, like love takes risks, like you have like there's there is a risk and that whatever that decision to go for it can lead to heartbreak, but it can also lead to the most fulfilling like love.

Story, but you have to take the risk to find that.

And I think in my life, I've know, I know there's been times where I haven't done that, I've stopped myself because I was scared. And that's kind of where like this story, like is Emma feeling like she has to have it all together and make the best decisions and be the kind of stable grounded person. How many mistakes has she not made but has not led to her finding love and real joy and real peace, Like that's just part of life.

Like you said, what do you hope that people get out of it when they read it? Because it sounds like there's some lessons that are to be learned from picking up and enjoying reading it. Is there anything specific that you hope people can take away from it?

Yeah, like kind of going back to where Emma is a part of me and she kind of goes on this journey.

I think one thing.

That's really important to me now is like whatever I'm like putting out there, like it needs to be an alignment to like what's important to me, and in this book, I hope that people, first of all, like you're taking the time to sit down and read. I know a lot of these books are escaped for people, but I think the best books are ones where you like really relate to the character and can see yourself and learn from the journey that Emma's going on and can learn

Areas in their life?

Are they too scared to make the mistaken that that maybe they need to just like take that risk risk for love, risk for growth, risk for for change and.

Can kind of be.

Encouraged by this story of Emma and Finn.

I see a lot of books behind you. Are there any books that you've read that made you draw inspiration from?

So I really I just did an event with the Rakaserah. She's a big author in this space, and I love her books because of they're really fun quick reads, but there's uh her the depth of the characters, like I really just loved and so that was really important for me because these these books, you know, there are classic romance.

Within the text. So I really.

Was inspired by Rebecca Syl's writing. What she wrote like one Itime Summer in five years, she has a new one expiration Dates.

I love Emily Henry.

I feel like she's like a big name in the romance novel space because her books are just like so fun and light hearted and like give you that like satisfaction that a romance book kind of like tied with a nice bow love story, but also really fun characters. So those were my two biggest inspirations. But I also love like Carly Fortune and Abby Jimenez, Like there's.

A lot yeah, have you, Caitlyn, have you read any of those.

Authors I've been deep in like Fourth Wing and Acatar, so I haven't branched out from two.

Great I've got them all up here too.

Deep in that fantasy world right now.

Isn't there like a romance aspect of those things, But it's not.

To see or something I feel like that would be really hot, Like now doing this, I can't imagine. I can't imagine creating like I say, like a whole new universe. But it's still like these are different characters, but a lot of the places and things are inspired by places that I've been to, like creating a whole like fantasy land, and like naming different types of creatures.

It's not real, Like I don't know.

How somebody can do that, Like you have to be very super smart to do that.

It's crazy, it's what I'm saying, or just really unhinged to have like the mind that allows you to create or that.

But I love it, and they're immensely popular for a reason too. I feel like people love the escape and romance is no different too. I feel like when a lot of people read romance novels. I've read a few I've read Verity and some others.

I don't know how.

Scary, but I love Verity.

It's all they do a good job of like making you feel like you're actually there, and I'm excited to read it. I need to get back on my reading grind a little bit more, but I'm sure once it comes out you said May seventh, and you said it was a quick read, which is kind of exactly what I want in order to get back into the whole reading thing. So, uh, what does your tour consist of?

Right now? You're doing some media and all that kind of stuff. Are you going to do.

Any like I don't really know how this whole system works. Are you gonna be like book signings or anything like that.

Yeah, So I'm actually going to LA this week. So I'm doing like it's called like the La Festival of Books, where they'll be a lot of different authors and I'll be all like on a panel for talking about these new books and like the Roman space, but doing a lot of like fun conversations with people like you guys.

But then also once the book, like that week that.

The book comes out, I'll be I have it on my Instagram, people, can I think there's like a link in my bio. But I'm going I have a few different tourist stops like in San Diego, Saint Louis, LA, New York, Nashville, and then my homestate Alabama, Bermi, Tuscaloosa, and yeah, I'll be doing book signings, taking pictures. Some of those are in conversations where there'll be like another author or writer that will ask me questions more about

Check that out.

Sounds like a lot of work.

It's been a.

Lot, but it's been fun.

It's been yeah, Yeah, it is a lot of work. Press tour, bro Yes.

That's why.

That's why I never wrote a book. I just couldn't handle the press tour really is what it is.

Sense are you for?

Well, maybe not excited, it's not the right word, but for me personally, when someone comes up to me and they compliment something that I've done outside of being on television, Like Kaylin was telling me she's just in Denver and met some people that were like bragging about.

Fourteen or D fourteen D because I climed.

To all the fourteen Whenever someone recognized me recognizes me for doing something that was aside from the Bachelor. It makes me really giddy and excited. So are you are you do you like have the desire to not be hand of the Bachelorette and be more hand of the author.

Yeah, I'm so thankful for Like I wouldn't.

Have any of these opportunities if I was not you know, on the Bachelor, atte the Bachelorette, Like I I love I'm so thankful for that. But it is really cool. I will say, like people store like, oh my gosh, you're seeing it was amazing, you.

Know, It's so sweet and I love that. But when people are oh my gosh, I love your.

Book or something, I'm like, oh my gosh, thank you. Yeah, like it means it really does.

It makes me that same that same thing, Like I get really giddy of like, oh, that's why you're like thanks something to me because I'm so different. Like I think sometimes when you're on reality t reality TV, people like no you like you Like Jared kind of said, like that was a part of me.

But like that was such an extreme bubble part of me that like was was true in a way, but also like very curated and it's really nice for there to be other reasons or ways that people see me that they also connect to that is more like recent and yeah, that makes that makes me like definitely the most like honored.

I get very giddy when everybody walks past me and they're like, hey, Tom Brady, I'm like, let's go. They just know me because I'm my love for number twelve. Hannah, what's Adam's last name?

Bullard?

Because you're so Ashley went through this as well. You know, Ashley is Ashley. I she's still actually I because she hasn't changed her last name, but you won't be Hannah b anymore.

Yeah, yeah, I mean who you talked about that? I mean, did you did Ashley not change her last name at all?

No?

I don't think legally No, still like Ken Eddie, I feel bad her last name is better than mine, like Dawson has to go with Haben, so his you know, Dawson Habin. It could be Dawson Iken Eddie, which I find so much better.

But I haven't really like thought about that.

Yeah, I mean, Hannah Brown Mollard. I think sounds fine.

It was very nice, but I'm not taking I'm not taking.

Away to Hannah b Like there's still gonna be there always.

You can move Brown into middle to the middle.

Because yeah, that's what I'll do. I'm going to move it to the middle.

Oh nice, nice, Okay, cool, that's what I'm doing, Kaylen Miller Bell.

Oh wait, well that's when we started the fingerprinting process.

I put in Kaylen Marie Bell.

Never mind. I guess.

I think we could.

Probably fix that. We're still pretty early on in the process. So but yeah, no, that's a big thing too. I mean, I've changed my last name, so I see exactly where guys are coming from.

It's weird.

I like have started taking my friend's phones and asking to borrow their phone and I'll go into my contact and change it from Ungler to Bell. And even doing that, I feel like it just doesn't really feel right right now.

You know, none of my friends from college, like I haven't changed one of their names. Like it's still like I'm like, oh whatever, Like, but it is a big deal.

I guess, I don't know. I don't.

I don't I get like it is a big deal, like changing your name, but it's it's I'll always I'll always.

Be Hannah Brown. It just rolls off the tongue better than Hannah Woolard too.

Yeah, the extra syllable or does kind of make it a little bit.

That's a good last name. You know what's funny.

You know we were talking about contacts in our phones because I haven't changed. Maybe I'm just not as sentimental as I thought I was. Like, for example, a lot of people from Bachelor, I have their first name and the last name as Bachelor, so I make sure I know who I'm talking to. For example, if I were to text this human being, Dean Bachelor is in my phone, so I don't know, I don't know what I'm saved as under yours.

That's that's things a little bit coming from you. You're actually you're Jared Batch.

In my head, I know I feel bad. You know you know why. You know why I feel bad? All right, I'll change it right now. But you know why I feel actually really bad about this because I have Nick saved in my phone as Nick viall and and it's like, wait a minute, wait a minute, this makes me feel horrible.

There's a couple of those like I had Ben Batch for a while and he got mad at me. He's like, you have to put in Higgins instead. Uh, but yeah, it's it's hard to go back. Even like my brother's wife, who they've been married now for four years and have two kids, it's still she's still on my phone.

Is Ashley Brad's girlfriend?

Oh my gosh, you know, but.

I guess it's not. It's not like I'm really texting her all that often.

Anyways, Well, we still have Hannah here. Do you want to pick your brain about Special Forces?

Oh? Well, not really, and it's my dream to go on Special Forces.

It seems like an absolute terrible time in the best way possible. And I'm so proud of you for winning. I'm so proud of Bachelor Universe for again following second season with some wins. Yeah, so they're great. How was that experience for you?

I love that you say it's like terrible and the best way like it is like I I like weirdly like loved it, like hated it.

It's like awesome the you applied me fine with this part, but the actual like not being able to.

Shower, like there was literally like flies that like like I would go to the toilet area which is as a bucket, and there would be fifty flies just fly out of there and like you're it's just like disgusting.

Like sounds like a regular Tuesday to me.

That was really hard, like just being like fully just like uncomfortable.

At all times.

But I it really like what was like it made me come back and be like, Ooh, I've still got a lot of things to work on because why did I feel so comfortable in such a like like you really.

Are and like fight or flight?

Like why did that feel more comfortable to me than like my normal life? So I've really been having to work on that of like.

Just past stuff, like.

I think if you've gone through like different things, which I know like everybody had, like has.

Haven't processed it.

Like I felt like really weirdly comfortable waiting for like at any moment they could be.

Like get up do that.

I was like, oh yeah, yeh, I'm ready.

But it was so it was so cool to be able to like really just see how how far I could push myself. And it was actually cool to be able to have people that have come from you know that our world Bachelor World will go and do it again, and then them to also be like oh no, like this was actually like really freaking hard because.

I guess in my mind I thought, oh gosh, maybe I was just like lucky, like it didn't get hurt and like, but like no, like it was a really tough thing that I was able to like push through and really it's a very mental thing the whole time, Like I was definitely not the most fit out of everyone, but I didn't give up. And I think a lot of time, there's there's a lot of excuses to give up. There's a lot of things.

That you could be like, this is bullshit, I don't have to do this, and I could go, like I had a full, like four week trip planned afterwards, I was like, I could be in Italy right now, and uh.

Whenever I decided to leave, that's where I'm going.

But I had to just be like, no, I I want to see this fully through and stay.

And so it was. It was really cool. But the hardest part was definitely that last for me personally.

And it's very interesting, like what people say is the hardest part for them, Like, like I said, overall, the environment was tough, but like for me, listening to the sounds for hours and hours and that last task I guess was the worst, was the worst part like I literally felt like I was like hallucinating like it was and being just so sleep deprived.

I wouldn't want to do that again. I don't, I don't think. But then sometimes I'm like people ask like, would you do it again? I'm like, probably would, but I don't think I would survive again like it was. It was tough, but so I would love if you got to do it well.

I would hope.

So I don't think I'm a big enough fish for them. But if there was like a special force as all stars and they asked you, you would you think you would have to consider it.

I would have to.

Consider it because I think I would learn something about

Make me not really give my best. So in a situation like that, I think I would have to go and just be like, well, I'm gonna learn and grow and.

You get to do things that you would never normally get to do. I'm all about an experience.

So it's like I got to ride in a black Hawk, Like that's freaking bad, Like that's cool.

Yeah, how do you think you do on survivor do you think it would be harder or do you think you'd be like this is so easy?

No, I think it would be harder and in some ways because that's also like you're competing against people and like there's like some manipulation and stuff going on, Like I don't I think that would be tough.

And the bugs would be hard.

I was at least in the desert where there was flies, but I was having to deal with like bugs.

Crawling all over me.

I don't know how I would enjoy that part. So yeah, I think it would be I think it would be harder for me.

Yeah.

I think also too, with special Forces, you kind of know that the timeline is shorter. So if you're like, I'll be in misery for twelve days, you're kind of like, okay, we at the end of twelve days, I'll be fine. It's like that type two fun stuff where it's so brutal in the moment, but then you look back with like such fond memories of.

It, you know.

Yes, those are the types of things that I think are my favorite whenever I do whenever I climb a mountain or whatever adventure I'm on and I'm like, oh my god, this sucks.

This is terrifying.

I don't think I'm going to get through this, and again not to the same level as what you were through with special courses, but it like sucks in the moment and you're kind of regretting even being there. But then you finish it and you accomplish your goal, and then you look back a week, a month, a year later, and you're like, oh my god, that was maybe one of the best experiences of my life, even though in that moment you are so miserable and hated it, you know.

So I really want to do some type of like mountain hike or something, because I actually think they'd be way harder because like they're like I I was still on a TV show, there was still a sense of even though I forgot like it felt there's no producers around you at all. Like I kept having to be like, Henny, you're not gonna die. You're not gonna die like these

There's a literally like everyone's some type of athlete.

And also just had different types of careers, and I was just like this, I just.

Feel like I don't know how I'm gonna do this. And he was just so like helpful.

When I would have to go in there to like take my medicine or something, he was like, you got this.

But at the end him and there's a.

Psychiatrist that are therapists that like makes you have to be like checking everything in the right. I think it would be it's really good for you to have some type of like goals and and things to get yourself uncomfortable, to like push yourself through so one of them that I really want to do, but I keep just psych like not signing myself up to do. Is I want to like climb, like I think I could do Mount kilim and Jar maybe, but I'm scared of the cold.

Be I don't want to be that cold up there. But I think it's so cool for people like you that like go and like just do the thing, because like I don't know, it's all my lists of things to do. I would and then my friends are like, why don't you just do the marathon. I'm like, no, that seems horrible, Like I'd rather like get the epic adventure. They're like, yeah, that's like days. You could just do this and you could just do the marathon in a day,

I did a half marathon this past Saturday and I could not recommend it.

Let's oh, yeah, I saw you did that. I've been meaning to ask you about that. But Hannah, you could definitely do kill them in Jarrow. I have some friends who are not athletic because you are that I've done it and they said it's an awesome experience. Or you and Adam can just come to Colorado and we can double date up on top of a mountain somewhere.

Hey, that could be a good that could be a good like starter, Yeah, to even see if I'd like to do that, because I've ever climbed any type of mountain.

No, it's really not. It is so mental. I like don't enjoy it. And it's the type two fun again, Like when we right before Dean proposed, we went on a twenty mile hike and I was like crying and cussing at him and telling him I'd never hike with him again, and then he proposed. But it's like it's mental. It really wasn't that bad, but you're climbing it. You're like, this is miserable.

Yeah, yeah, but it showed it's worth it a lot about yourself and it's so cool.

And then you can be like I just like it's so cool. You can be like, yeah, I hid twenty miles the other day, Like it's just cool to be able to say that you can do because a lot of people won't push themselves to do that. So yeah, I've got to decide for sure that's what I'm gonna do, because I'm thinking of Mount Killum and because then I can get an Aprica trip out of it. Like I'm always thinking, like, okay, we do that and then we go on safaris, so let's just uh do the hard the hard stuff.

And then we went to Tanzania in December and we were able to see kill Majar from a great distance. Obviously we'd not got nowhere close to it, but the safari aspect was great. So if you can find a way to work both of those things into the same trip, like do Killy for the first two weeks and then do a safari for a week after, and then spend a week in you know, South Africa or something like that where you kind of like relax and decompress a

And it's such a mountain climber that he refers to Mount Kilimajara as killing like a nickname basis at this point that's what the cool kids called.

You want to climb Killy over there, little Killy.

Because I was looking into it because there's the Seven Summits, obviously the tallest continent or tallest mountain on each continent, which is pretty hard between like Everest and Mont Blanc and.

I can Cogua pretty hard.

But then there's also the seven Volcanic Summits, which I really wanted to do, which is a little bit easier. Minus there's one in Antarctica that's like super hard to get to, but Killy is like a cake walk compared to the rest of them.

That's what I've heard. That's why I wanted to start with that one.

Yeah, I was like, I can do this, Like there was a girl on my sorority like in college.

That did it.

Like I know you can do it, but it's committing to something of like it's it's not always going to be that fun to just keep walking all day for days and days.

But I'll tell you what.

When you're out there and all you have to do during the day is walk, it's like you're like, Oh, all I gotta do is walk twelve miles today, no problem.

In your mind.

Yeah, I'm like, that's what I gonna do.

Like I don't have self interception.

My family is seven thousand miles away, Like all I have to do is walk twelve miles, all right, I guess I can do that. Yeah, if you start at like ten am or eleven am and you just got to walk for five or six hours and then you're there and you get eat dinner and go to sleep and wake up the next day and do it all over again.

It's really nice. It's so fun.

Okay, I really want to find a show for both of you. I feel like you guys are both very mentally tough and see and do get out and see who it went.

Oh, maybe we could just team up, actually.

Team up up, Yeah, help each other.

That's an interesting perspective.

You have a special forces because it does, from the audience perspective, look like it's like a competition show. But really you're just competing against yourself, which it must be pretty nice.

I never thought it was like I never felt that way because it was like I never.

The expectation of me and the white Howard are you know?

It's totally different like it is and yet it's it's the same, But it's just like how I don't know, I just I never felt that and and that wasn't a feeling like you're all just trying to survive together, genuinely, and you don't want more. You really, weirdly don't want

So it's so cool. I wish I.

Hope they continue doing the show and we could maybe just start a petition to get you on.

It could work.

Yeah, if we get five hundred signatures, that's all will take. They'll have no choice. But Hannah, thank you so much for joining us. For the listeners, please be sure to check your book out. The Mistakes We Never Made is releasing on May seventh, twenty twenty four. For those that don't know, Hannah Brown is already in your time is best selling author. So we have high expectations for this. Not to put any more pressure on you than you already have, but high expectations.

I'm sure it's going to be great. We're excited to read it.

Hopefully we can get a copy on May sixth, right before the day before it releases. Yeah, but Hannah, thank you for joining us.

We really appreciate it. And congratulations on the b Thank you Anny.

Oh it was so fun. Thank you so much.

Before we wrap up.

Yeah, good job.

We can't forget to say happy birthday too, too. Dean Michael Bell.

Oh that's me.

He's thirty three today.

Oh today's you're thirty three, you young man, Happy birthday, brank you.

It's my birthday. It's my birthday.

I can podcast if you like your birthday.

I like it because I can play golf without having to feel guilty about it.

I like it.

Yeah, that's pretty awesome.

I like it because I can be in any mood I want, and I can get away with it whether I'm grumpy. Really, I could just be like, oo, it's my birthday. Sorry okay, but no, I don't really like it. Otherwise, there's not really much to celebrate at this stage. I feel like I got him.

He opened his presence this morning and he was like thanks, just walked away. He never has reactions with gifts.

It's like okay, you yes, and I was just waking up.

Uh.

We had to. I had to give it to him before the podcast. I just wanted to. I guess.

Yeah, I appreciate the gifts. They were so great. I got a golf shirt, and I got tickets to John Craigie, who's one of my favorite artists. And I got to spend time with my beautiful wife and Jared Jared Batch, I get to hang out with him, and you gets a golf all day. It's just a great day, Just a great, beautiful day to be alive. I'm just happy to be here, thirty three years young. I'm only a quarter of the way through my life at this point.

So that's good.

Yeah, what you're doing smath yep, yeah, yes, I am going to live to be one hundred and thirty.

Two years old.

Okay, okay, mark my words.

So it's like what I've still got?

You only got ninety nine, got ninety nine years to go, man, that's not bad. Hopefully we're celebrating my ninety ninth birthday on this podcast.

In sixty six.

Years, yeah, we'll still be going strong.

Obviously, I mean, obviously we've we've held this long. Why not keep going?

But but yeah, Jared, what are you doing for my birthday today? I'm going to create a little shrine. I'm actually this Harry styles candle. This prayer candle, I'm just gonna tape your face over it and then pray to it. Later to Dean Bell, I met more.

Like what does your day look like today? My birthday? Aside like not fround me, but just what are you doing today?

Just working?

I went to the gym this morning and then I went to Audrey's. And I have emails to answer, and I really want to read this book that I just got.

I want to try to I read. I got it yesterday.

I'm fifty pages in and I really want to try to finish it by this weekend. So it's I'm sure you've read it. It's called The Subtle Art of Not Giving an f Oh yeah, so have you read it?

You me to that, so, oh yeah, it's good. I picked it up in India. It's the only English book on the rack. I read it and it was pretty good, quick read. Yeah, it's great.

It's very similar along the lines of Alan's book You're not that great, but neither is anybody else. And I love that mentality towards life, so because I think that we hold ourselves too high in expectations, and it's I think it's there's wonderfulness in realizing that you're not that special. But that's okay because we're in this together and sometimes you can mess up and be okay. So anyway, that's what I'm doing. But yeah, I ran that quick story,

Is it thirteen miles thirteen point one, thirteen point.

One, thirteen point one, and my legs were killing me. And then Saturday, so my legs hurt pretty badly, but I was okay, they were just sore. And then of course as soon as I stopped running, I immediately was ill. I didn't throw up, but felt horrible. But then that day just scarf down. Tried to put as much food down as I could. I had McDonald's and I had pizza, just trying to like get as many calories in me as possible. But then the next day I had to go in to Audrey's at seven thirty and I went

Do you think it's because you didn't train, Like it wouldn't have happened to I'm.

Sure that had a huge part of it.

To go from an zero miles a day or anything very stupid. Eh.

Are you going to do a full marathon now?

No? Never?

Never, never never ever?

Well? Do you feel like proud of yourself or accomplished?

I do.

I feel very proud of myself. I feel very accomplished.

It's funny how the day of when you're walking by people are It's very sweet. People are always like congratulations, congratulations because you're wearing your bib. Like when I was walking back to the car and they're like, congrats, congrats.

I thank you. I feel I feel like I deserve congratulations.

It's just funny how people congratulate you when I'm the one who signed up and I'm just running very sweet.

Did you get shin splints or anything?

No, luckily not.

Everyone's been asked me that.

I get shin splints from walking too fast.

You've got you've got a weak growing, I think because maybe what a hip flexer remember what you heard on and have a sup eye.

Yeah, but that does nothing to do with my shins.

No, I know.

I'm just saying that you would has a weak growing.

I would just happy. I'd be worried about your growing more than your shins.

He did.

Kiln's got a weak growing. Damn shin splints.

But I do really admire you, Jared, for making that goal for yourself and then accomplishing it.

That's great. That's something that I would never even dream of doing.

So, oh yeah, the guy who climbs mounting and does all crazy show it jumps out of planes, you would never have the goal of doing something crazy like running a half marathon.

It's different. I'll tell you why. It's different.

When you climb a mountain, you're the whole time you're climbing it, you're like just so excited to get to the top and see the view and have the feeling of accomplishment of like climbing something you don't get that with a half marathon, Yes you got to finish, but there's not like necessarily a goal that you're striving towards.

No, okay, I'm not a runner, neither of mind that you have a week anyway.

I think that's going to do it for this week's episode, Yeah, I think that will do it. Thanks for sticking through this half marathon with us, the listeners.

Thank you. Yeah it was a long one. This was a long one.

Jared, thanks for being so physically fit. Caitlin, thank you for your beautiful hip flexers and you're just phenomenal. Shins and me and my pimple. We'll see you next week, where maybe we suck just a little bit less