Feeling Tempted with Chad Johnson

You want to make sure it's something you're gonna remember for the rest of your life. Because Vanessa Grimaldi is back in studio with us. Thank you so much. Vanessa. Breath of fresh Air just flew in. I wasn't a had it was raining in l A. No one knows how to drive whenever it rains in l A. So my my cab driver took literally fifty five minutes to drive here. And then, obviously I have the worst luck whenever I travel, and the ridge to let us off the airplane wasn't opening, so we had to call them,

the mechanics, and that took another thirty minutes. Anyways, I'm here, I'm jet last. Everything I'm looking at your Instagram stories. There's always something something. I didn't post anything this time, so I'm like, I just don't wanna. I just don't want to like put that out to the universe exactly. But it's still ended up happening. But I'm here and I'm so happy. You guys, we miss you. It's so much better when you're in studio. It's just fantastic. We

have some great guests as well. So we have the new from the new show Temptation Island. We have the host Mark Wahlberg. No, not the Boston Mark Wahlberg. We have the host Mark Wall Mark Walberg into Mark walk will be in studio. We also have a very special guest formerly from The Bachelor franchise and now currently on X on the Beach season two. We have Bad Chad Chad John in studio. We'll talk about it more later, but Dean's not excited about this. Well, Dean, you kind

of made some waves last week. Yeah, I wasn't really unexpectedly because I got a lot of tweets about it. What I got a lot of tweets about it because so pretty much you did a weekly spot on Access Hollywood last week. It's a weekly spot of recapping The Bachelor, and you were one of the guests. And then there was an US Weekly article that came out from that interview. And US Weekly article is headlined Dean Angler Shade's ex

Leslie Murphy as he slams fake Bachelor Nation relationships. And so then I obviously saw this headline, went back to watch the interview and let me read the direct quote that Dean said on Access Hollywood last week, the day after the Bachelor premiere quote, none of these Bachelor relationships are real, not a single one of them. Maybe you've got some marriages and some kids. Those ones are real, but every one of them is fake and contrived and not I'm not I'm not into that. Well the funniest

I'm not. Okay, that's more. Dean went on to say, granted, there's some that are real, like those ones, I guess, but boyfriend girlfriend relationships, every single one of them, it's fake. Dean, do you stand by what you said? And he said this with a smile too. That was everything I say is with a smile and laugh. And it's the fact that people still take me seriously, what were you serious? I was, to a degree, But it's also like, come on, I I pride myself on being sarcastic, right, Like that

is like a staple of my personality is sarcasm. And I saw you take me out my word, you were not being sarcasmic. You had I actually want to text you after that picked a little bit of speed up, and I was like, darre just so you know, like I'm not talking like I know you and Ashley are

obviously as real as I get. Well, I think that's what people why I got a lot of a little attention on social media because I think when you first said it, I think a lot of minds went directly to actuallyified boyfriend girlfriend because you guys are not boyfriend girlfriends, which yes, but because you go and you say, I guess if you've got some marriages and some kids, those

ones are real. Well, the interview kind of the interviewer have led me to say that I would have continued to say that all of them were a little bit more fake. But well, I never asked you about what you thought of my relationship with Nick. Did you think that, Well, I didn't know you during that relationship, right, but still you don't know half of these relationships in bashelor world,

but you're still assuming that they're fake. Yeah, well right, it was easier to assume from a distance, especially when you're not personally tied to them, Like after saying, after um, that interview and again like I'm we spoke about it

last week a little bit too. Is just like I've had, I've got a bad taste in my mouth as it comes to relationships in general, and so that interview came fresh after my jaded nous from something that relation that I've had, Right, Um, because you found out a relationship you were in maybe wasn't as real as you thought it was. Yes, that's part of it, um, and we

can get into that later. But uh, there are certain relationships that obviously you look up to and you idolize, like an Ashley and a Jared or even like a Kendall and a Joe. Like Kendall reach out to me and it was like, um, hey, just you know, like people are reaching out to me questioning this, and I was like, well, Kendall, I know that you and Joe are really like you guys are adorable together. Adam and

Raven for instance, are are adorable together. Like there's their boyfriend girlfriend they are absolutely Kendall and Joe and Adam and Raven. You said, I guess, but boyfriend girlfriend relationships. I'm not trying to grill you, but now please because also I want people to know what you truly meant by these because I think they are being I think that frustrates me. And if you listen and watch the whole, it's like a five minute interview. If you watch a

whole interview. Um, I did a better job of kind of like articulating what I meant later on when I was saying that people will go into these shows and prioritize a relationship over a person, right, and so typically and I have that quote, I'd like to read it because I I think it's a good quote. So you went on to continue and you said, I think contestants on The Bachelor prioritize a relationship over the person, so they're like, I love being in a relationship more than

I love you as a person, and that stuff. It sucks just to know how it should be. You should love a person and then want to be in a relationship with them, not love the idea of a relationship, and then you find someone to be in that with you I said that, you did say that. I actually

that makes sense. I agree with that, especially coming off of the Bachelor franchise, where you have like this idea of like what the relationship could bring you and like the attention that you can get from the relations So I zoom out. So that was my central thought, and I zoom out from that, and you're you're thinking to yourself, Okay, these relationships are existing because the relationship was the central starting point for that, not so much the other person.

If these two people had met in real life, would it have happened the way that it had happened, If there was no component of the public relationship, would it be the way that it is? And that's it's just

there are certain relationships that obviously that would happen. It's you're very grateful that the show is what brought you together to then be able to form those everlasting relationships, but it's also like remove the component of public notoriety, of social influence of everything, the monetary gain of whatever it is, and then will those relationships still be there? Like you look at Jared and Ashley and actually has been in love with Jared literally from the moment she

laid eyes on you. She could care less whether you were on a reality t V show or not. Granted it, it took you a little bit longer to realize that, but once you did, then you were a hun percent all in. You could delete your Instagram today and you and actually would still be married for the rest of your lives. And that's something that I don't think many people from the franchise would be able to do to

varying degrees, you know what I mean. I just think that there's a certain component that people factor into a relationship with this show that it's not very normal. I agree. I agree with that statement. I think what killed you with your statements was that you started off the interviews saying none of the Bachelor relationships are real. That was the only thing, and then you even went to go

more detailed by saying, well, maybe just boyfriend girlfriend. But then of course there are very famous, not famous, but very well known relationships that are just boyfriend girlfriend from the from the franchise. I have a question. I don't think anyone questions Jared Nashley, because that's an ongoing great thing. The unique perspective is a past relationship from the Bachelor that didn't work out so well and how legitimate that was? So Vanessa, you were quizzing him about you do you

think me and me and Nick were real? So the question is what do you think years later? Was it real? Between you and Nick? It was real, however, I think if there wasn't the pressure of there's those a few things involved, right, Like the idea of engagement for me was so critical and I took that to heart. Instagram engagement. No.

Do you know what sponsors I said no to? And it's like, I don't even want to get into that because I did in capitalize not no, And there's a lot of things that I'm Mike, I should have said yes to certain things. But anyway, I don't even want to get into that. Um, but I do think, you know, we started realizing early on in the relationship that it

was we were very very different people. And you both know Nick and you both know me, and I don't think that if if I would never pin you two together, right, it's so interesting knowing you both now they're like, Wow, they were engaged. Let's say it's a bad thing. You're just very different, very different outside of television. I don't think no, I don't think if we would have massed that your situation, I guess you can consider unique because it took you time to realize that, and once you

realized that, then you guys were like amicable. Okay, let's that backup Dean's point for you to say that you wouldn't have worked outside of television. Yes, However, I wouldn't say that all baster relationships, boyfriend and girlf relationships are fake because and I would I wouldn't. I wouldn't come

down to that conclusion with my relationship with Nick. So the point that that topic even got addressed in that interview was the very first question that interviewer asked me was three months ago, you said that you'll never be in a bachelorationship again, and I said, I will never be in a bachelorationship again because of this reason, because this is how I feel that the starting point is

everyone probably has the relationship. I don't want to be the second priority relationship, and that's exactly how I feel. But I wouldn't say all because all batchelor relationships are fake. I've said the same statement I would never and have been asked to do Bachelor in Paradise winner games and all that, and I said no to them. I've kindly declined because I just don't want my relationship to be

the center of what's going on in my life. And I want that person to love me for me and not me for you know, the idea of who they think I am. Yeah, yeah, of course. Well my question for you, Dean two questions, because we talked about our relationships and whether they're real or not. So the question for me is, was your looking back on it now? Was your relationship with Leslie real? Oh? And yeah? And what? Yeah, it's I really don't want. It's hard because I don't.

I feel like I've already commented too much on that. La. You can only speak for yourself months ago at this point, Um, how many months ago? Like seven months ago? Seven months ago? Haven't listen, it's gonna be two years. No, how many years am I single? It's gonna be two years and got engaged? Yeah, No, it's gonna be two years in August that I'm single and I'm still talking about my engagement with Nick. So it's only been seven months January. You can't see it. Well, listen, I'm Italian, we like

think way ahead. I'm like thirty two already, Dean. Was it real for you? Yeah? Yeah, it was. Um, it took some time, it took some warming up. It was I think that there were still some things that I had to work through personally. But once I was able to work through them, I bought into it. I I was, I was fully committed to it. Um. But then it's like once you go all in and with something and then you realize it's not what you expected it to be,

things kind of start to deterior pretty quickly. Um. And then it's like, okay, you you've essentially achieved Nirvana, right, You've You've reached the peak of the summit, and this is what life is supposed to be like for the rest of your life. And then you get up there and you're like, well, okay, wait, this is actually going down here really quickly. Things aren't exactly how I expected

them to be. The view isn't as quite as picturesque and beautiful as I thought it was going to be, So why the heck did I climb to the top of the mountain in this first place? Um? And then you start to like backtrack and you're like, okay, well wait, maybe we're not supposed to be together. We've both given it at all. We both tried everything that we could.

There is still value to gain from staying together in this relationship, even though we don't necessarily love each other to the fullest extent that our hearts are capable of. And yet it's beneficial for us to stay together there but despite that, our well being would be better off if we were to move in. What do you mean it was beneficial for you guys to stay together, because well,

look at any relationship. I didn't know where you were going with this because at first it was like about climbing him out and looking at the view, and so I was I thought it was another menag. I thought it was another metaphor. So are you staying Are you saying you stayed in it because there was potential monetary gain? Exactly?

Can't we just call it what it is? Sometimes on these relationships you make more money together than you do a part where you have more likes or you have more followers, you get more appearances or more access Hollywood interviews. It's like, just call it out right, what's what I'm saying, That's what I'm that's what I'm calling out and That's what I'm saying. We reached a point. And again, it's it's not that one of us is a horrible person in the end day, It's just that together we weren't

a match. We reached a point. We both gave it. We both gave a percent effort. I again, I put an astecs next to that, because whatever. But and there's so many frustrating things that I just cannot say there. But I get that clearly this was real for you, just because of how deeply affected you've been by whatever you found out in the past few weeks, which we don't know, but I kind of clearly infected you in a way because you literally went on Access Hollywood and

said none of the relationships. Obviously there's a clear I'm a train. I was on the tracks and now I'm completely off the tracks. Let's just face facts. I'm off the rails. I don't know what I'm talking about anymore. I'm the loose cannon of Bachelor Nations. A lot of truth what I think you were inferring. But the lucky thing for Jared and Ashley is yes, there are many benefits to them being together, but they also are genuinely completely in love with each other and they would be

even without all the others. At point, that's why I said Jared Deletes's Instagram and actually they're going to stay together for the rest of their lives. That's not the case with everybody. And again, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna make like a half as statement where I say you have some couple of some couples, aren't I'm gonna be objective and say all of them. And again like, yeah, I'm a little I'm being a bit like brash and over the top, um, but that's just that's just who

I am. And I'm as sarcastic as I pointed out before. It's just like everything I say has to be taken with a very thick layer of sarcasm. But not everyone gets that, and especially like no, that's that was to Kendall's point too. She reached out and she said, you know that Joe and Eyes relationship is as real as

it guests. And I said, yes, I know that, Ashley. There, I'm sorry Amy the grammar nazi over here, um, And I said, yes, I know that, and then kinda rebuked with saying how people tend to take even like my word as gospel. Despite how I like view myself as very sarcastic, other people don't see me that way. I think a lot of people view um, they don't take our word as gospel. But the fact is, you have more knowledge about these relationships that anybody than anybody else.

So with if you say it, they're gonna take it as fact because they're like, crap, well, Dean's friends with all these people, so obviously these relationships are fake. That's why I don't know. Yeah, I mean I again, I still stand by what I said, Like, I'm not gonna waiver on that. Maybe in a year I'll look back and be like, why the heck did I say that? But right now I'm still in this mindset where I, in an ideal world, I will never be in a

bachelorationship again. But that's his wife up. Her husband did it up right now, So granted her and I are never gonna work out. Now. Here's the thing, though, if you meet somebody off camera that is in the bachelor family, that is like, for example, Jason and Caitlyn right now, there's all these rumors that they're dating and they're together.

That's definitely a bachelor relationship. Yeah, but he okay. So here's my thing with that too, is I'm not doubting I don't know the extent of the relationship at all. I don't think any of us really do at this point yet. Maybe they're just going on dates, whatever it is. But the fact that so so much and I love Jason and I know that he is. Yeah, And then they're both as realist and I love them both. They're both as real as it gets. But part of it also is like, are you in this? Are you in

this relationship because you like me? Are you in this relationship because you like the way that people think that we are together? Could it be? And I'm just asking the question that any relationships in this Bachelor Nation world are different then a traditional relationship because of the public eye and and that you went on a show. I think they're inherently different. I think it's I think, well, yes,

I think you're right. I think it's also it's two people that have experienced something that no one else is ever going to be able to relate to. And I think at least for like my relationship with Nick, we were we were bonding off of that, right, But that's the only thing you're bonding off. Now, I'm saying I think that was like we had we we we started to have like a solid foundation, and then like we started realizing that we were very different. But then we're like, Okay,

well we came this far. We have like this crazy experience and like that no one else will really ever understand.

Let's see, let's try to make it work. And we did a couples therapy and I've openly spoken about this um but at the end of the day, like we both said, like it's not worth extending and staying in a relationship that makes us both unhappy of course for like the gain of what that's gonna last like, And to harp back to like the Jason and quit Caitlyn question that you guys brought up, nobody's above questioning, you know, like anytime someone questions my relationship with Ashley, I actually

don't mind it, and I don't care if they do, because if they don't know me, sure they can question where public figures, they can question whatever relationship I'm in, and because I don't mind defending it because I know how real it is. So if somebody who doesn't know me says you guys are fake, Well, you don't know where you're talking about. And so I agree with you the Jason and Caitlin thing, like, I hope that they're

really happy. But sure, there's nothing wrong with questioning if people are real or not, especially in the relationships or what their objectives are to stay together in a relationship within the Bachelor franchise. Um, But I just I think it was different because it came from you. That was the only difference within this entire thing. But what is it? What does it matter whether comes from me or someone else,

because you know us. And so if somebody who's our friends says every relationship is fake, there and then it's obviously alluding to people that, Yeah, if it's someone who is part of the franchise but not really involved in it, then it's like, oh, they're just assuming. For example, before I was on the show watching this, I was I remember watching Shaun and Catherine's wedding special years ago, and I was like, fake, they're doing all of fame. And of course I was just an ignorant guy who didn't

know the actual relationships behind these these these people. And so I don't fault people for making their own opinions on my relationship, well unless they know me. Well, here's the only difference. Yeah, I mean, I've known you for a little over a year now, I've known more than that. I met you. You met him before you met me, so we've known you. I've known you for a while. Dean, I've known you for almost a year and a half. You're You're on Rachel season so you were like spring

You're on TV. Yes. Anyways, the point is that, yeah, so I but I met you during the summer, like so like summer seen. I don't think that you're what you're And Ashley's romantic history is not I'm not talking about U's not normal though. This is the point that I'm trying to make. It's like, is there a specific okay, is there a specific couple you want to call out? Is that you're looking to call it out on their right?

The point that I'm trying to make is Jared And this is how I this is how I idolized love in my brain is Jared was an idiot and fought it so hard every step of the way, and yet him and Ashley are still together. So despite everything, Ashley and Jared are still in love. And gonna get married,

and that's how I you love? Is this the word despite I think is super important, Despite Jared fighting it and and trying to not let it happen, It's still happened because that's just the universe telling them that they're supposed to be together. On the other side, it's people that are saying, because of all of this, I want to be with you, not I want to be with you,

and then this is all again. That's my point. I agree with you because I've even on this past season in Paradise, there were people that went on there and we're like, I just want what Tanner and Jade are, like, I want a relationship like Tanner and Jade Carl and they were given all examples of Bachelor people because they were on Bachelor in Paradise. But you're right, people go into this wanting relationship and then they fill whatever that spot is with somebody that they think, you know, should

be that person. Mr Right there, it's like, is there any chance of maybe What you were actually saying is it's like these bachelor couples, it's easier for you to all date each other and then you just fall into it almost like a crutch and then you're just in it and doing it and half the time you don't even live in the same city. So it's this long distance sort of public instagram e thing. When if you met under totally different circumstances, would it still be right?

And I agree that because the relationships are formed from the Bachelor, they probably last longer than they would in in normal life, you know, because you know, there's so much there's so much public opinion behind that that I'm sure people are like, no, we should really try to stay together. No seeing Nick and I were like, nope, we know we're gonna get backlash, Like whatever, let's just do what makes us happy. None of the couples that have gotten married have gotten divorced, I know, so there

is zero. If you're willing to go across that threshold, then you know that that's going to be a legitimate commitment. And that's sad. Easy to date someone's easy people, someone's boyfriend or something course. I mean, that's sad if you're thinking about the fact that you're basically paralyzed because you're afraid of what people are going to say if a relationship doesn't work out. I think, I mean, you can speak from personal experience, but I would say that's probably

pretty true. Yeah, it's it's it's sad. It is sad that you take into account what other people say. I mean, we we all do it. Though it makes me uncomfortable, but you know what makes me super constant life. There's plenty of couples that don't get divorced or break right. You don't have families or their friends, or they don't want to hurt their kids. So it's not that unreal. It's sort of twisted, heightened reality, but it's not that different than what regular people like me and Mark did.

I did I adequately answer that question. I think it makes sense. You absolutely made sense. You're basically saying you want if you're going to be in a relationship with someone from the bachelor world, you want that person to love you for you, despite the fact you have X amount of followers, or that you are a public figure, or that I think the most the most I was saying by the other day, the most important word in

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E V A? It sounds like the guys I'm jet lags. Can we all spelled together? Because I was all right? Ready one two three v A N e S S Today. All right, So we have a special guest in studio, a very special guest host of the new show on US, A Temptation Island. We have in studio not from Boston, but mac l Wahlberg. Mark, thanks so much for joining us. Glad to be all right. I love that Bostonian accent there. Mock well when we first when I first heard Mark

Wahlberg is coming in studio, I thought a little confused. Well, I thought it helped I suck a dating, just got a huge jump in the budget to get our guests. But Mark, we're very excited for you to be And it was like, oh that But and he I say, I said, you look like just hit me with every dispossible skin it out now. Well, not that Mark Walburg.

I'm not Chris Harrison. I'm just some schmuck who wonders you have to Remember I'm from Providence, right Island, so like the Walburger, they walk on sacred ground, you know, I understand their turf and I'm a big fan of there, So I mean, how can I not be. My name is Mark Walburg. I get quizzed on his career every day, and I mean, Mark, I gotta say to to to kind of go against the graend with what the two

co hosts over here are doing. Temptation Island from the early two thousands is when it initially aired, Right, was one of the most popular TV shows of all time. I thought was the at the time, I think with the highest rated show in the history of Fox, and that was your show. I hosted it. Well that means it's yours essentially, Right. It was very early. It was like reality TV had not It wasn't a thing. It was like Big Brother came out and nobody really watched it.

First Survibra came out was a hit, and then We came out, and then Right and then I think like MTV started spinning off Real World and Road Rules, and Real was the first first. Then there was a special called Who Wants to Marry a Millionaire? Which I was the warm up guy. For that was a crowd guy, and it was there that I got the job because

I was a crowd guy. But I was bitter about it because I had had my own talk show before that and I was like just trying to pay bills and a whole long story, and and Mike Dornella had a Fox came up to me after that taping. He said, you should do warm up for all of our shows. And I'm like, na, dog, I should host your show and walked off. And then I ended up posting Temptation Island, which is wild. I watched the super teaser and I was like getting hives. Yeah, I'm like, why listen, why

would anyone want to egg on the Bachelor? I did it, so I get it, But I mean, at least, but at least I'm going on the show, and if he was going to end things with me, there was no previous connection. I mean, that's like you're in a relationship, you don't know if you're gonna end up getting married, So hey, how about we go and see if we're gonna like sleep with other people? And that's crazy. It down to an interesting tea there, but I don't know if that's the whole I mean, that's like what my

anxiety levels telling me. Mark. For the listeners that are unfamiliar with Temptation On, do you mind just giving us like a quick sixty second elevator pictures? Yeah. Yeah. So you've got four couples, young couples who are not married. Big distinction we have to make because most people leap to, oh my god, this is the end of Western civilization, which it may be, but nonetheless, there are four couples who have been dating for years each couple, and they're

at a standstill. They're stagnant, they've got problems before they go to the next level. It's not necessarily marriage. So they agree to go to Temptation Island, where they will be single again, and it's their choice to come. Right. So the four couples come, what you have a question? So so they're like, oh, we're gonna be single. Yeah, I'm gonna answer these for you. It's gonna work out. I'm getting like three, baby, I got you. I'm right

here for you. Okay, what are some of the issues that they're having, Well, like, you know, one girl saying, you know, we've been dating for several years, it's time to get married. Yeah, there is we were boyfriend and girlfriend since you know for sixteen years old he cheated somewhere in there. I have trust issues. Bang bang bang. Uh. The other one is he's a little older than the girl and and you know they're wondering, you know, he's

ready for commitment, maybe she's not. And in the other couple, I think one of the issues is that she doesn't feel like he's the alpha male that she wants. And I'm not sure she wants to raise kids with this guy, and so you want to see each other. So they choose to come to the island for whatever reasons they think are the reasons. And if a couple chooses to go to Temptation Island, that relationship is probably already. I get a little headier than that. But yes, I think

that maybe the first blush is what you think. I'm not so sure. I think people come on shows thinking I will be fine, let's just kind of we'll do this and it'll all be good and then we'll be on TV and stuff. But what I tell them on the air and off the air is like, there's two reasons you come here. One is the one you tell producers, which is we have problems with the relationship. We're looking like on The Bachelor, I'm coming to find true love,

when in fact you're coming to find Instagram followers. But it's all good. Not you TV for this. But I say to these guys, whatever your reason for coming on the air, it's gonna get real real quick. So it doesn't really matter because the answer. Although I would never advise anybody to go do this, um, you're gonna find

out how you feel for sure, and it's real. What I what I was thinking was if the couple does get into or like they're not tempted to be with other people or whatever, and then they remain a couple. Like so when we were filming The Bachelor, we finished filming in November and it airs in January, and in between, like November to January lockdown, Like you're lockdown. I mean you're talking about it with your significant other, right, Like Nick and I were like talking about things that happened.

But it's one thing to be told what happened, and then it's another thing to relive it after it's happened already. So I'm assuming, Like, how so the four couples come, they move into separate houses, so the four girls in one villa, the four boys living another villa, and in those villas, the four girls have twelve single guys, and the four guys have twelve single girls. Now they're gonna date and hang out and whatever and figure out what's up.

There's three possible outcomes. There's no prize. So it's either going to be that you realize after all of this that what you have was real and what you were complaining about was petty, and let's go together and stay together forever and leave with the answers. Or you may find that you haven't found anybody, but you don't want to be in this relationship, so you leave separately, or you found new love. I will tell you that all

three of those things are definitely in play. Well, So here's here's my singer that I want to introduce into this scenario. So I moved to Venice three years ago. I lived in Westwood for a year in Los Angeles, and then after living there for a year, I moved to Venice. Lived in this quaint little bungalow in Venice for about a year. Um after that year, I moved

out and moved into my new house. We obviously continue to get and receive mail at our old house in Venice, and so we would have to go over there often um to pick it up. And I was always the one that was tasked with doing that because my roommates are lazy, and I mean I'm lazy as well, but I was I needed to smail sometimes. So one of the girls that lived there, Brittany A right, sir, because I know she's from So one of the girls that lived there eventually ended up getting cats for this show

at Temptation Island. Were looking at each other like, how do you guys know that? How do you know? Well, I'm I'm a reality host. I need to know a lot of stuff, and so I just knew she was from Venice, and I happened to think she's awesome, the real deal. But it's funny because you see one of the single ladies. She's one of the one of the single ladies, and she's going to be a pretty prominent character in the in the episode because and this is

a good point. So on the original Temptation Island and people ask me, how are they different? The formats almost exactly the same. So if you we're down for the show originally you're gonna love it. And if you don't know the show, I always tell people it's like watching The Bachelor and Bachelorette simultaneously times eight. Right, that's what's going on in Paradise, right right, all into one thing.

So anyway, So what I think is interesting is originally the tempters, those singles were there to tempt right, But now this version is less that and more about everybody's in the same boat. Even the singles are looking to find love. They're hoping they're going to find that person. So the relationships take on more than just hey, let's pull around. It takes on confident hunt and friends and advisors and and Brittany plays a lot of that role too.

I mean she's gorgeous. Yeah, she's got her act really together. She's great. I was looking at the cast and I'm like, the women beautiful. I was looking at the men. I'm like, maybe there's two that I would be like. I wouldn't say tempted, but to that, I'm like, I would not bring my guy. Oh yeah, guy, we'll get to that. Is it fluid? It's a flu I just wouldn't. I'm like no, And that's why I was getting hive I'm

like non and non nutwent. So you say that the four guys and the four girls are in relationships, they go off. Yep, they go off separately with two houses exactly. So is there any point within the show that they're brought back together cliche a rose ceremony type thing, fans, that's not how we do know, Like eliminations, it works

a different way. So every episode, not the first episode, but after that, every episode kind of ends with our bonfire, which is our kind of place, a survivor esque thing kind of but not so you know, fire means it just happens to be a fire. You know what, do they had anything off? Like, here's no there's no roses, You've got no roses? Sorry, Um, I mean I could

work some man if that's important. So basically what happens is they check in with me that I'll sit with the girls first or the guys, but they're never together, and talk about their experience, how it's going. And then we showed them um clips of their boyfriends on the other side of the island, but they're really short clips, sort of out of context, and it's how does that make you feel? And literally in the first well it's

the second episode, the first Bonfire. I show this clip of one boyfriend and literally he's drunk in the clip, I think, And it's a confessional. It's not even him doing anything, it's him talking to the camera and he says what he's saying like twenty seconds and the girlfriend says, that's it. I'm breaking up right now, it's over. And I literally look at her and say, look, I I understand this is upset, upsetting you, and I understand that you know him better than I do. But what did

he say? I mean, all I heard was like a few words, not even a center, but she and that's the whole thing. I keep telling them, you don't know what's going on, So it's really about to communicate with each other not at all, no phones, no computers. But I'm assuming if there are insecurities prior to going on into this show, then those arise, right, so that's why

they're on the show. No, But I'm saying like, maybe he said three words, and those three words were like that was enough for her because it's something that has happened in the past or whatever brought her back to Lake. But I think that says a lot about how we are in relationships that we're projecting onto people our own issues that may or may not be true. And so what I keep saying to them is look for this time.

You've got twenty five days or whatever. You're not going to see your boyfriend, so you can't control what's going on there. So if you think it was about waiting to see if the cheats or not, maybe you can use this time to look inward and see what it is about your relationship that wasn't working for you. I agree when you were saying that, the first thing that came to my mind was excuse making, so to speak.

And it's kind of a metaphor where somebody's in a relationship and then they're almost looking for a reason to break up because they are attempted, and like these singles are kind of a metaphor for me for like online dating. But if you want to talk about dating and how this really plays out, I mean, if you really want to go there, I'd be happy to talk to you about it, because I think you're absolutely right. I think a lot of the issue when relationship isn't firing isn't

that the other person is failing you. But there's this inner dialogue of your own of expectation and upset based on your own stuff that you may or may not be communicating, and it's it's really unfair for the other person. So this is kind of interesting because it forces you to kind of suddenly you get perspective from the opposite sex you weren't getting. Somebody might say, you know, and I keep saying, where are you holding yourself? And what

regard you hold yourself? Because it's really about if you can't control what's going on, then you know, take a look inside. What weren't you getting? What did you love about your relationship? What don't you love about your relationship? How's your chance to correct? So when we go on the Bachelor, we have a chance to talk to a therapists. Are there any therapists or a couple of therapists? Yeah? I think any reality show, I mean literally any of

them has to has to responsibly have right. But I don't think Big Brother does well, I don't know, not during the show, not during filming. Um, we have somebody on call there if somebody needs to talk to them, they're there. And uh, and it's important to me too, you know. It's so funny it's a reality TV show. I may be the most gullible person on the island because i'd buy I'm like, I'm here for you. It's are we having a moment? That's good, that's what you need,

that's what the yeah. And so I remember when I did Temptation Island back in the day. You guys are giving looks. I'm dining. I know the inside, like I still want to know what happens on the Bachelor. But for me, they're real people. They chose to come here is not something i'd be down for, but okay. And I literally say to them, look, whatever your reasons for coming here, are yours. I have no judgment. I'm just an advocate for you getting whatever did you thought you

wanted out of this? So how long did they say on the island? I think it was about twenty eight days something like that. I wouldn't last twenty seconds, you'd be surprised, I'd say, for twenty days. I think that's a long time to be separated. Well, being MAUI single for twenty eight days, Thanks for carrying that burden for us that that'd be pretty easy, but this is deep. Thanks for caring that the four couples on here, they've all the the least amount of time that one couple

has been together two and a half years. Every other couple has been together for more than that. I mean, these are serious relationships that people are putting on the line. And it's very curious for me because when I I I didn't watch the show as a kid, but I remember hearing all about it, and I just imagined, like couples that had been on and off for three months, that maybe had a kid together or something like that, that weren't going to make it. These are legitimate couples,

So that was never the case. Then although one couple did have a kid, we found out we kicked them off. I know, I'm saying, as a kid never watched the show, I assumed it that way, and then watching this, this rebooted version, if you if you revamped version, if you call that, um, it's not like that at all. These are very legitimate couples. These are couples that have been

a lot through a lot together. Well what I like about this as the original the original the cast was great, but they were young three something like that, and I know this sort of splitting hairs, but there's a big difference twenty three seven thirty, A lot has happened, and so you stopped dating for sport, you start dating as an audition. It's like, am I wasting my time? Right?

And so when people are this many years into something and it's not going forward, you know, And I think that a lot of times young couples have a timeline of I want to be married by this time, I want to have a wedding by this time, and all that stuff, and that's not legit, it's not that's not how timeline poking me. Stop. I don't have a timeline. What are you getting me more than anyone I've ever met at a time? Now? Okay, So once after we

were done doing an episode, I look at Dean. I'm like, Dean, why am I still single? Like why is it that I'm not? You know? He's like, what was your answer? Again? He's like, I think you're you're too much. You put a lot, you put a lot of pressure on on the situation, and it's it can come acrost one and thirty one. Yeah, no, I'm thirty one years old. I just and I was dating in l A just wasn't

working out for me. I moved back to Montreal. I'm now like talking to someone who's absolutely wonderful and wants the same things as I do. Um. By the way, as soon as she dropped the dead weight and we figured out the chain, and so I don't think there was a timeline for me when I was in my early twenties. That whole thing I did, I'm really great at it. I'm great at doing interviews Mark. Um. So I'm just gonna fly back home now. Anyway, what were you saying? I'm sorry. I think when I was in

my early twenties, I did have a timeline. I wanted to be married by twenty eight because I figured by thirty I can start having a kid and I have like two years of having fun as a married couple. But now I'm thirty one and I'm not married. I

was engaged. That ended. Um. But I think for me, as a thirty one year old in a being in a couple, I don't know if I would be able to do a show like Temptation Island, because I'm like, I want to be able to either like or if your a couple having problems that you would sit down across from one another and say, look, we're having problems. When you discuss this or you get some help, some

therapists do some counseling whatever that. So going to Temptation Island is solve your problems is not a choice I would suggest for anyone. It's like the couples are wrinkly shirts. Temptation Island is a steaming iron. Their hope is that the wrinkles are all gonna get pressed out by the end of it. Unfortunately, they're going to be wearing the shirts while we steam them. Here's the thing about it, and I say this to them. This is a bizarre,

extreme experience. It's not something I would recommend, nor is it the best way for couples to deal with problems in the relationship. But I I believe this is my heart. If you if you were unsure and you come and do this Island thing, at the end of it, you're gonna be definitely clear how you feel. And I describe it this way. Go back to high school, middle school. You're going with somebody that's your girlfriend, and you break up because you think you can do better and whatever.

And then the next day you see her at lunch sitting with somebody else, and you immediately flooded with everything you miss about her, everything glorious about her is right there in front of you. That perspective happens sometimes, right, So I keep saying, you come here with questions and you want answers. You're gonna get answers, but the questions

will change, well, especially when you can watch. Like you said, they the couples get to see twenty two clips, however long that's crazy because I'm sure that significant other has no idea that the other person is going to see it. And so if you're you and the clip you're seeing is out of context, you don't know what. And I keep saying to them, it's not about what the context. This is not about you figuring out if they're cheating

on you or not. What I say to them is, when you see a clip, you're gonna have a feeling or you're not gonna have a feeling, And both of those are answers. So if you see a clip of your girlfriend in the arms of a dude, and you can say to yourself, well, but that was probably stage or it was whatever. But if something doesn't viscerally come up for you, then you know where you are. You don't really care and if something does come up for you,

that's something to look at. Wow, I got really jealous right there, and maybe I care more than I thought I did. Maybe I need to look at why I'm not treating this as special as it is for me now, or maybe you're getting jealous for some other reason. Exactly So, having done this show once before and seeing couples go through it, what advice did you give the couples for this upcoming season before they embarked on this journey. Well, first of all, I didn't see him until I met

him on camera. Okay, so I And as far as like the whole thing goes like before they met the singles, let me rephrase that. Um, you meet the couples before they go off to the singles, but the day before, when we have our sort of get together, you have any advice, Not to give advice, because that's not my role. If they ask, I'm happy to share my experience and be real about it, and you'll see it in the first episode where I say stuff about my own life. But um, that's not my role. Man. I'm the host,

so it's not my job to give advice. But what I do say to them is look you know, Yeah, I just remind them of the gravity of the situation. You're saying goodbye right now. And you may not, you may think this is whatever, but this think about this that when you kiss your girlfriend goodbye and maybe the last time you ever kiss her. So get your head around that. Mark, quick question for you. Yeah, are there any virgins on this season of Temptation Island? Um? I

understand that's the big buzz phrase now in the bastination. Um. I did not do a clinical test of virginity clinic so, um, I really am not at liberty to say, nor do I know if that if there's virtue or not. I was just wondering if you had to have the birds and Birds and Beest talk with any of the contestants this here but sounds like no, although I'm willing to have it with you guys now, if there's anything you're confused about, I think we we've already seen the Bachelor episodes,

so we've had plenty of virgion talking. Um. Well, Mark, thank you so much. Coming in. This was incredible. Let's where can we see Temptationland? When does it? When does it come out? Oh, it's not for TV. I just did as a social Yeah, this is for your private collection, like it's like on my Instagram, so so awesome. Uh No, we air Tuesday's Tuesday o'clock first episode January fift which is tomorrow depending on when this but Tuesday, January. And um,

the first episode is already streaming on YouTube. And what do you guys do that? Why do you stream on YouTube? And then just for fun, I haven't made a decision in my career since I decided that we can watch the first episode before before it's on YouTube. The first episode, this episode that airs on Tuesday, January is already out. Yeah, and then are they gonna do back to back? Maybe episode one in episode two or then well next tonight toorn, you're gonna see only episode one in the tease of

episode two and then episode two will be on. But I gotta tell you something, you guys. I mean, and I know I'm supposed to sell a show and tell you why you should watch, But if you like The Bachelor and my family watches it, By the way, my daughter feels like I'm sitting with royalty right now. So shout out to Goldie Walburg. Big ups to Golden in Kansas City. Keep it real for the family. I saw video that your dad took of you dancing, and you

are an incredible dance. Yeah, she's she's a good deal. Yeah. And my son's out. That's why I laugh at all this because my son has a real job. He's a Navy pilot in the Persian Gulf right now, I'm doing that and single, by the way, um, and so sorry, you're not chopped liver, but you gotta step up your game and clothes gold goldie single. But just because you have the license doesn't mean you could drive a ferrari al right, so you know. And his son Morgan, he

showed me videos of him flying. He's a bad as I'm dating someone. We'll get to that. You need to book some time. But I will say this, The Bachelor is an incredible show, so you need to watch that on Monday nights. It's awesome. But temptation is for Tuesdays, right, and it is temptation to you love. If you love reality, you love dating, I think we give you everything. And that's on USA NETWORKSODES. Yeah, the first episode tomorrow, but it was off the hook. They added in an episode

so nice. I got my Tuesday nights for the next three months planned out. Now it's perfect. Let's check in. I'll come and chat with you guys and see how this relationship of yours is going. Mark. No, I'm all for it. I want you to be happy. Maybe you'll see Ansa on next year's episode and I'll be one of those singles. Okay, it's take it easy. I look forward to that. I can make some predictions right here if you want, but I'm gonna let that off. Mark. Thank you so much for coming in studio with us.

We really appreciate it. We're looking forward to Temptation Island again, that's on USA Network. Appreciating that central Um. Yeah, man, thanks, thanks so much for being here. Thank you for the free water and the conversation. It was fun anytime you guys have heard us talk about it before. Three and Me one of our favorite sponsors, solely because their product is simply one of my favorite things in the world.

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to Chad Chad Johnson coming on? Well, we all know Chad. Chad is a pretty compelling figure from the different polarizing theaters at least, But is he Because I feel like, what's his name? From last Jordan Jordan's Kimball, right, is that his name? I probably feel the sameay about Jordan's. I know he's met Jordan's two different people. I'm not saying one's bad or one's Jordan was like very out there on his season and met him in person, and he's like he's I found to be very quiet. Jordans

really did anything. My thing is I'm I'm not comparing the two, and I think like Chad has more of um bad bad boy. I'm teetering with the idea of even walking out for this interview with Chad totally because of the fact that he the way that he treats Sarah Herron on Bachelor Paradise is the one most It's one of the most disgusting things I've ever seen in my life. And it's just like, how do I sit here and and genuinely interview someone that was so like

rude and and just write mean to someone. So I'm so neutral because I don't know anything about what happened. And Sarah here and is the one with the right and Chad is very very vocal about her physical impairment, and it's just like, you see something like that, it's like, how the how the hell are you going to go out and like and like pointing her out and just like criticize her for for that type of thing. And then and then I kicked off Paradise like the next day,

which is great, Like thank god Chris Harrison kicked him off. Um, and then like you see the way that he treats women like he's a bit of a misogynist. And look, I'm I can be a douchebag sometimes too, but at least at the end of the day, it's coming from a place of like I don't I'm never I'm never intentionally at least hurting anyone, you know, whether it's whatever it is, I don't know. It's just like to see stuff like that, it really just kind of irks me.

Maybe he's changed. I don't know. I also hope, so I would also advocate for you not to walk out of the interview because I think whoever, I've always believe this in my life, whoever just doesn't show up is always the loser, coward. Sure, exactly, So I don't think there's anything wrong with you sitting down with him. And

and I met him before two once. And before I met him, I think we met like the after party my uh a bachelorette reunion whatever it was, and I was I had been drinking a little bit, and I just have heard the worst stories about him, and so he like introduced himself to me, and I didn't give him the time of day because I was like, look, I've heard all I need to hear about you. I don't even want to encourage or like, uh, enabled like

any type of conversation between this. So so he was on jojo seas, I'm just gonna say, coming into this interview, he's going to probably love both of you and be very very cold in my direction. I was going, hold on, don't give off like any I don't think. Don't allow him to do that either. I think it would be a great and Yang situation. If you two are great and gracious and warm and welcome. Well, no, I'm like,

I'm very interacted. Well, I've also met Chad a few times, and I will say in person, he's very Well that is that not the definition of a manipulative person? Someone that can turn it on and make you like them and be charismatic and then at the flip of a switch be someone that is just an utter wild card. And and and I Cannon, I think you should ask him that. Well, I wonder what side he's going to show today. Just give me some consistency, Like that's all

I'm asking. Right, If you're gonna be nice, be nice. If you're gonna be a douche, be a douche, but don't be nice when you need to be nice and then be a douche one. But do you feel like he was a douche because he was? He was on camera? And you know how you can have like a different persona that comes out when you camera. You're gonna say you're gonna be a douche on camera and let the

world see your douche side rather than see your nice side. Well, no, I feel like that's a sense like there's a there's a level of insecurity there where you feel like you have to be that macho guy and your But if I'm going on camera, I'm going to show the camera my best possible side, not my douche side that everyone in the world, well, why don't we? I want to ask him? I have zero ideas. Oh and look who just walked in, Mr Chad Johnson himself. Welcome, So thank

you for joining us. We appreciate it. Here for people who don't know who you are, can you give us a little bio, a little background. I'm basically like the really bad guy from the show. Are you a bad guy? Though? I don't think so now. I think I kind of fell into like a bit of a pit on that show. So you were on The Bachelor, Wrette Bachelorette on Joe Joe's season, and then Bachelor in Paradise was that episode? Uh season? I was on your Yeah, we were in three,

and so that's it. Bachelard Paradise has that many little seasons. Well, Paradise is on its fifth season this year, yeah, but going on six this coming was five, Yeah, and then Chad was on three and then Dean obviously, Well the fourth one was a little bit of chaotic situation, to put it lightly, kind of like the black sheep of the family. That four very much is that this season you're on Dean. Well, it was not because of obviously,

it was because of a different situation. But we have Chad in in studio because Chad, you are currently on X on on the Beach. I knew that I was just staring at Chad and I got lost in your It was actually really handing high in the hills. So I don't know why it's on the beach. It's like, it is there a beach that you guys, there's a beach which just look like an exceptionally long time to

get to it, you know what I mean? Well, I think they call it that because the x Is show up while you guys are on the beach, right, yeah, probably? So all right, okay, so how long this is? Like? What season two? Yeah? Okay, so how did you get on X on the Beach? Because if season one has happened already, don't you know that you're going on a show that your exes are showing up too? I mean you kind of get a little bit of an inkling

when they start asking you for exes. But well, so when you you applied for the show, well because they asked you about your exes, and but you're assuming that you're still going. I didn't apply for it. Basically, I have like a manager who, um knew of me because he worked with like Chase and Robbie and all those dudes, so I knew of me. It was basically like, hey, they did this show, do you want to go do it? You know, like, I have an opportunity for this unscripted

and it's called X on the Beach. It's called what they say it was called untitled dating reality. So there's always this like you want to keep that in the back of your mind, like maybe it's just we're going to like hang out and meet people. Well I leave that because so last year, um, I got a call from an email from m MTV saying that they were doing this new dating show called the Beach and it was a dating show and they wanted to talk to

me about it and blah blah blah blah blah. And then long story short, all of a sudden, MTV I see like six months later so that they had X on the Beach, and I think that was the same thing. So did they did they ask you that you want to do this dating show? And they just kind of, well, I asked about your exes, and they weren't going to tell you explicitly, Hey, by the way, once you're here, that X that you brought up is coming on the show.

To be honest, I talked to MTV like five times before about like like, hey, we have a project, like maybe you'll want to do it. And so I go through the process of talking to them about who I am and what I like and what I do and stuff, and ended at like five separate times and never really turned into anything. So this time I didn't even honestly really like look into what it could be. I was just like, al right, what questions do you have? What can I answer? Like? What's up? What you need to

know about me? And give me a call if you want me to show up. That's a big question. It's a big question to be asked. So what ultimately made

you say yes? Um, I don't know. I mean, I guess it was just like curious at the time, you know, I kind of kind of want to show another side of myself because the only side of myself that was ever shown on The Bachelor was like me just you know, like I right after the show, my mom had passed right before, so I was coming through all this like anger, and I was drinking a lot at that time, and so it was like I wanted this opportunity to show what I'm actually like, you know, versus like, hey, here's

me in the worst mood I've ever been in. Isn't that scary because your your image is always in the hands of the producers, right you don't know what side you can show, like your best side all the time, and then they're like, oh, you show like this one snippet of like like an angry version of yourself for like a sad version of yourself, and that's like what

they're gonna keep going with. Absolutely, I mean it's you kind of just have to throw that to the wind and just like hope for the best, just always like, hey, here's me. I hope that you don't screw me, like for you know, it's interesting that you say that because I watched an episode and I'm not saying this in a derogatory term, but you weren't featured as much as I expected you to be, and I'm curious if that's because you were a little bit more laxed, That's what

I'm curious about. I don't know if it's because of that or um, if they're gonna end up showing me a lot more near the end, or because there's there's a bunch of casts and a lot of people were getting into these stupid fights that I specifically was like, I don't I don't want to get involved in that. Like you guys, they literally didn't know what they're fighting about. It was just people who like, I want to be loud at you. I want to be loud at you,

and I would just be like, no, not. I think people take the mindset of the ladder you speak, the more airtime you think you're gonna get exactly, And like, my whole thing is if I'm actually mad at something,

that will be mad at it. If something is actually like I have a problem or situation, I'm gonna address it, but I'm not gonna go out of my way, which is my whole thing on The Bachelor too, because when you watch it back, yeah, yeah, I did a lot of screwed up stuff, but at the same time, everything that happened to me was happening to me because someone

else was coming to me. I'm just a reactor and so I don't go out of my way to ever like cause anything Like I just kind of like sometimes I react and because I don't want to be involved in the situation, I might blow up because I'm like, I don't want to be involved in this. I will say from the Bachelor time with Joe Joe, it seemed like Alex seemed to provoke a bit, right, That's that's kind of the main instigator was Um and I feel like every every season we'll have that one instigator and

then the reactor. As you said, like I think, uh, last season you saw Jordan David like Jordan was in essentially Chad's position, and then David was approaching Jordan all the time before that, it was like Blake and waboom. I I agree. It's usually the instigator that comes up, but the other person not gets villainized but is more polarizing. Is there anything that you did that you regret because I never watched. Yeah, I will say the one thing that the one TV moment that really like jaded me

was the Bachelor Paradise Sarah Hartt interaction. That only one thing that I saw, and I was like, I didn't even know I did that too. That was the one thing. When I saw it, I was like, dude, oh my god. And then and then publicly apologized I did it publicly. I did it like quietly. Then I had to like redo it, and then eventually I did it. Kind of got annoying to a point because she kept making me apologize and I was like, I can't, yeah, I can't do anymore. Like I'm sorry, I didn't know I did it.

One of the one of the first Within the first couple of minutes of you have you seen down and talking, you're saying how obviously you were dealing with the loss of your mother, and then how you were drinking heavily, and you like hear that and you're like, okay, well it doesn't necessarily excuse the actions, but it's like, okay,

that helps make sense of it a little bit. Yeah. Well, I also think because I have not a theory about you by any chance of imagination, but every time I've met I've only met you a handful of times, if at, but every time I've had a human interaction with you, you are very warm and kind and and uh, engaging and conversational and the complete antithesis of what people just

imagine you to be. And so I'm curious, like at that time when you were on Batchelor and Batch on Paradise and you were going through difficult times, Um, I wonder if maybe you were not loving, yeah, loving the attention like we all do, and maybe built up in your head to be like, how do I really keep not keep this going? But like I want to, you know, make I want to rattle some cages. I mean after after it was like, so I like everybody unless you don't like me, in which case I'm probably well I'm

like cut. But anyway, so like when I realized that, like I had no shot with anybody more in terms of like even just being friends, it was like, all right, we'll screw you. You don't be my friend. Now I'm gonna blast you, like and I just didn't know what to do with everything, and it was almost like I was hurt. So I was like lashing out by trying to piss everyone else on the beach. Then, so this

this is the second season on the Beach. Yeah, second season, second and first season if I remember correctly, had Chase and Jasmine on it right or after the um No, but I had the same managers Chase, so I know a little bit. I know he didn't like his whole outcome because he was so used to, like, you know, I guess if you're your loved or hated, you get a little bit used to whatever it is, and so

he didn't like the backlash he got. It's almost better to be hated at first, because then there's only all right, yeah, you guys all started off wrong suckers, so super loved and then being so hated and then everyone's kind of impartiful. Yeah. Yeah, it's it's a bit different to watch it back and we'll be watching everything and it's like, oh, people are seeing that, like I'm not actually just like this angry person. Who who is your ex that showed up on the beach? Um,

I don't know, I don't know about that. Yeah, yeah she'll show up. So you go on making you well known that you want to be in a in a real relationship, all right, exactly. This is my first time to ever, like, you know, mean before when I first went on the Bachelor, it was kind of like at that time, everybody was doing branding and all this stuff. How old are you now? One? So now we look good? Thank you you're older. I thought you were younger than

I normally get. The older people think I'm like thirty five because I used to smoke and drink a lot. You're I mean, you're like, yeah, I don't know why I'm complimenting some much chat family podcast, um, but but yeah, being I think being at my age now, eventually it's like, you know, I've gone through so much of like I put in so much work, through all the TV stuff and trying to capitalize on everything and doing everything I could.

I haven't dated, honestly really since since the Bachelorette, and this was my first opportunity to actually like give it

another shot. You haven't dated because the opportunity hasn't presented itself, or you just weren't into like actually dating someone seriously, honestly, it was just that I'm like a workaholic, Like I was just trying to I wanted to be super successful so that that way, whenever I did have a family, I could like give my kids and family everything, and so I just wanted to make sure, like I almost consider it like the shitty of my life is now like,

the better it's going to be later because I'm working every day. I'm doing everything I can. I was creating all these business is, doing podcasting, doing everything, you know, and so it's like anytime you know, you're dating somebody, you have like if you have a fight, you have an issue, you can't stop thinking about it, and it almost like controls your day. And so I just thought, if I just leave that to the side and just work real hard right now, then I'll have the best

relationship ever later on. So what are you doing now? Still the same thing you're I was trying to say, right, you're into fitness, right, yeah, okay, so um, nowadays, so I I started a few of my own little companies, Like I did a clothing line, I've doing my podcast now. Then I have my supplement line. Um, I do sell some fitness Yeah these are mine. Okay, look at that. I don't know where that came from. Is there anything

for like to gain weight? Uh? Not so well, we have protein but like products, but um, but basically what I do now, this is something that I'm really like working hard on. Um, is we're working on creating people in TV their own companies because you know, everybody just

does brand deals and does all this stuff. But since I've created so many of these, at this point, I know so much about like manufacturing and fulfilm and websites all that stuff that it's like, there's all these people going on TV, but everybody's getting thousand bucks here, two thousand bucks there to do a post. But it's gonna end, you know, eventually. So I'm just working on now creating

people companies. We've talked to Jason Tardik and Taisha from this current season, so working with a few people to kind of get it going. Actually ran now you guys analytics who I can how I'm doing well? They say me Adams instead of yours for some reason. I don't know why, but yeah, Adam from Adam and Raven. Yeah, I don't know, but I got but I got you guys, how do you get insights? That's scary. Well, I have like these internet so I work with like a team.

It's called Exalt, So I have like the financial backers and the funding and everything. I'm in charge of product development, manufacturing, fulfillment, and then we have some guys who are in charge of like creating all the funnels and all the internet systems and doing all that stuff. Well, there's also a website and I think it's called Social Blade. It like grades your social media engagement. And I've got an kind of Square two which is pretty interesting, like helps provide

insights all that kind of stuff. What is it only for simple stuff? But ours? Ours is like I know everything about you guys if I look at this list, like everything, but still, I mean, is it that's scary to know you're engagement? It's definitely interesting. Definitely have like a super in depth analysis is pretty cool. I remember I lean over to Jared like two months ago or something like that. I was like, damn, it must be

nice to be gaining followers instead of losing. I'm saying, steady, yeah, of course I'm losing Bachelor and gaining X on the beach. So it literally just it looks like, yeah, it looks like nothing might haven't been on since my season. So I'm just like, my thing is, once you're in Paradise this summer, you'll be fine. I was just I was

just talking about it's actually with some friends. So I just did a sky to having cores out in Paris, California, and a lot of them were like influencers, like real people that built their brands up through like organically rather than going on television. And I was like, yeah, I lose like a thousand followers every couple of days whatever

it is. And they're like, dude, it's because you're so uh like inconsistent and you're always doing something different, like no one really knows what to expect, and that's what you are, Like, oh what, because I'm sorry, what is this kid doing? Now? I'm gonna follow him because like I have no idea what to expect. Like you look at people that are successful, it's because they're always doing

the same thing over and over. It's so interesting though, because wouldn't you imagine people want to go on social media and see something different instead of seeing the same thing over and over and over again. I don't know. It's just kind of hard for us because I feel like we go on TV and we gain them all, and then once you're off TV, they're like, I lost them after my engagement ended. It was just like so many.

But I'm like, that's fine. If you were following me for something specific and it's a good person, it's not you're in this new relationships, So yeah, I think I built my following up based off of just being like entertaining and just kind of a jerk. So it's like my following is almost to me like your private because I want to go check your projects with the Yeah, the MTV people all do that because it's like MTV people are like younger, so they'll just come in and

comment you suck, and then leave. So it's like, well, you're gonna follow me if you're a comment sorry. Yeah, so they all all MTV people go private? Wait, chat? Are you angler in a relationship now? Is there something? Was there something happening between you and farah uh wait? Something like dating wise? Like on the show, like was there she kind of wanted to and I don't think it was shown, but um, I was talking to another girl and so she kind of backed up because you

know she's she's business. Try and have a funny story. Any m is actually on Twitter one time before the show that was I called her on it one time and I love calling people out. That's what I'm gonna do right now. So does Corey like older women? Corey Corey Brooks from I have no idea. Remember when I was at that wedding, I was good looking. I did not know that. Is there a point to this story? What was that? Just Jessica Graf's wedding and Corey and

I know each other from before. Just Jess's wedding and he came up to He's like, Vanessa's been so long, Evan seen you? And I think, like, I love Corey. He's a great guy. But I don't know if he was drinking or whatever. But he's like, uh so, how long, something about like being in l a blah blah blah. And I'm like, oh, well, how old are you? And he's like twenty seven. I'm like I'm like, oh, you'll be in late for a while. He's like, why how old are you, Mike, I'm thirty one. He's like, it

was great seeing Vanessa and he just walks away. I was like, was it because I'm thirty one? That's weird. I think he just I don't know. I mean, it could have been. It's weird. It's weird to see that he was on this show. I thought you were saying he did have a thing for no. I was just like, uh, okay, And that was like right around the time, like I was dating this guy. It kind of ended, and it was kind of just like it hurt a little bit. All right, Chad, real talk, real question. Are you single?

I can't fully get into it. You're gonna have to, honestly, not only watch the show, but the reunion. Give us something to give us something, some sort of cliffhang or something that's obviously I'm gonna watch anyone. We're gonna watch regardless, but give us something that's gonna make us sit on the edge of our seats. Do we see a new side of Chad? Yeah, you definitely see a different see like a loving side. I think I'm kind of worried

that it's almost like two lovey dovey. That's a good thing. Yeah, I agree, because I think, uh, you, like we talked about before you you you made your mistakes on Bachelor, but I think you have a more of a different side to you as well, So I'm hoping people get to see that. I do have a question for you, though, because you were also a couple of years ago on Single Single right, and you were on with were No. I was on with Ronnie Yeah, and Molika and Tiffany

New York. I'm the biggest Jersey Shore fan and I was so jealous that you got to know those guys. And I saw you at the Jersey Shore premiere earlier, like Jesus almost a year ago now, and it was you're just boys with all them, and I was so jealous at the point of my story right there, those dudes were just it wasn't a question I wanted to be like, I was so out hangut people, I was

so outside of the Bachelor world. It was so good to like finally like have these people I could like talk to that were like hey, and I'm like, oh my god, I got TV friends now. High fives are like, yeah, you know, it's pretty cool. So U because the day you want to have friends to do the same thing as you, it's kind of oh, of course, it's one. It's it's they can relate to you, which is really

nicely too. It's a great networking tool because you know, you meet people over at CBS or Fox or MTV and you got to do things that you never thought you'd be able to do. Yeah, I totally agree. And Ronnie was really cool. I mean we hung out all the time and when until he moved to Vegas once they started shooting the new show, and then he started dating that girl. Um, I think that's I think he was actually in my hotel when he found out she was pregnant. Oh wow. It was like me and my

ex girlfriend and him just hanging out. He was like on the phone outside, like, bro, I don't know, that's really cool. I think that's really cool girl from Rhode Island. And so I got into Jersey Shore and then just fell in love with them. They're just awesome. It's pretty crazy. I'll really like down to earth. They are in comparison to some of the people you meet in this industry

just you know, it just blow up. But I always felt like whenever I met those guys, it was they're very like, just so chill, yeah, very like like, hey, I did this. And I think it's because they have the second chance now because they did it and I almost had it taken away for so many years and now they have this second chance and they're just so respectful about it. Um. So, do you have any crazy fans story because you are bad Chad from the Bachelor, Has there anybody come up and been like you're a

jerk man? Yeah? That okay, that happens. Yeah, I mean not a lot. Most of the time, I either get like, hey, where are your muscles or hey it's the apple. Where are yeah? In in person and I'm like, well, you know, the TV makes you look bigger, Yeah, muscular, and like I thought you were so much taller and like curvier. People think I'm shorter. They see me, They're like, yeah, I I didn't expect you to be that tall to

see people think that I'm shorter. So it is very nice when people walk up to me and they're like, well, you're taller. Yeah. It's like because I'm surrounded by people that are like yeah, six two six six four one, and I look One of the things that Jared said early on I think it maybe back like early back into his in eight teen, was you had a friend who was labeled as a good guy on the show and how then being labeled as the villain or bad

guy quote unquote, Uh. He was ecstatic about it because like, how, what's that story? Do you mind sharing it again? There's a dude on my season. There's a dude within the Bachelor.

Frenchies don't want give his name away, but like he was loved on on the Bachelorette, hated on Paradise villain I when the Paradise is errand he was like, I don't know, this is the best thing that's ever happened to me, because on the Bachelorette I get d ms of like please marry me, and then Paradise I get new d ms of girls just wanted to sleep with me,

and it's great. I will admit. That's been the majority of the type of stuff I got, almost to the point where like, so like right after the show, I said I didn't really date, but I would get so many girls just hit me up just a straight like hook up because it's like the bad boy, you know that. Eventually I would just like look at the d M and be like, well I could look at the next one where well I could have because it's just like it's too much work, you know, it's not gonna lead anywhere.

So yeah, just how does the girlfriend now? I fee about that? So Chad's engaged. Great ending as well, Chad, we really appreciate it. Dean. Do you have any final thoughts? Uh? Yeah, what are you gonna do after this? You're gonna go hang out your girlfriend or maybe come on, Chad, give us something to work with here? Well, should girls be sliding into your d M. Yeah, you almost had it. I mean too long is media training is two rock solid?

Now maybe maybe last year? Maybe last year, Chad, we can see you on X on the Beach season to what nights does it air? That is every Thursday, eight seven Central. My getting Monday, I Got Bachelor Tuesday, we got Temptation Island. By the way, we met Mark Wahlberg, who loves you, uh really not Mark, Mark? Not Mark that because he just came onto my podcast and I'm

not gonna lie. I had like had a crazy weekend in Florida with or without whoever we may be talking about if we are, And so I'm saying he dropped her name and that's why I'm waiting for you to just say the same thing as well. Uh yeah, yeah he didn't drop her name on air. Yeah I was. I was trying to do the podcast with him, and if there is he dropped, come on help me and help listener. It could be there was. I'm not gonna lie. Dean just fooled his co host right there. I was like,

he didn't say anything on air. Wow, Well I'm an idiot, And Chad, where else can people find you? So you guys can find me at real Chad Johnson on Twitter, Instagram, everything. He's private now because he has a girlfriend private because you can. Also, you can also write in every Bachelor contestants full name you are l dot com and it will read ark. Pretty much anybody from my season of The Bachelor, you can pretty much type in their domain

name Robbie Hayes, Shakes McNary, alex Dan McGuire. I pretty much own them all, um, you can find me. I got my podcast, Chad's World on podcast one, Apple iTunes, and then also I do free fitness plans on my website elite shape dot com as well. That's where I have all my supplement lines and stuff. There are a lot of things that I could criticize you for, but at the end of the day, you are a smart person, so I didn't like, I can't really think you know,

I will take that. There we go, all right? Chat? Thanks coming in then? Yeah for sure? Thanks? Thanks? Ja. All right, what do you think you're the one that was opinionated? What do I think I mean? It's like I said in the while he was here, It's hard to be critical of someone because I've made big mistakes after being drunk right like that. It's not excusable, but it kind of helps lend more to the story. I

don't I don't know. I think it's been more time with him before I can really make a definitive decision. I like him more than I than the notion that I had going into the interview. Yeah. If I had never watched or like seeing any episodes of him being on like a Bachelor in Paradise and stuff like that, I would never think that he can get to that level because he was so nice sin Yeah, he got sweet, he got wasted his first time in Paradise, and he just I just need more, more film, more from it,

more time with him to really make a decision. Yeah, I think. Uh. The thing about Chad is that he has made a lot of mistakes and he's been a jerk on TV, but he admits it, and I gotta give him credit for that. And like the Sarah Heron thing, I'm with you uncalled for ridiculous out of line, but he's not like he doubled down on it, you know. He I saw him apologize on on TV numerous times, and I understand Sarah being really hard to let that go.

So I can understand. It's it's one of those things where I'm like, I understand both points, Like Chad, you're wrong, you're you're a jerk, but you have apologized multiple times, and so I you know, that's my faults. But I guess that's like a little indicator of someone's character, right, if like you can apologize. But I mean, we all think really mean things. Sometimes we can think like some things, but most of us will like internalize it and not

actually put it out there to the universe. A K trolls on it on the internet, and like, you know, but if someone actually does it, I feel like that's a testament to reveal your true personality. Or drinking change your personality. Drunk words are sober thoughts, right, That's how it changes your personality. Because yes, because a friend of mine, somebody that care about deeply UH as issues with alcohol and they're the sweetest piece person. But when they drink,

sweet is the piece of UH. They're the greatest person, and when they drink, they just become uh not just like yeah, just like always belittle and not belittling, but just like I think that the world's against them, and you know why don't you do this, and why don't you do that? And you know they wouldn't say anything really horrible, but they're just it changes them, you know.

I think if you also add in the fact that there's cameras around you, you could morph into this different person that you don't even know, a side of you that you didn't even know you had. And I also think that Chad is he plays it up like I It's just something that in my opinion, I think that he likes the attention, just like we all do, you know, whether we'd like to admit it or not, we all like to get attention. And I think Chad, you know, does things to stir the pot to get people talking

about him. And I think he creates kind of like a character of himself on TV and uh when in person he's you know, uh more yeah, down to earth and like easy to talk to. Yea. So, to Vanessa's point, are we all monsters? And we just because of society? We put on a brave face and we polite and we do all the things that we're supposed to do a society, But deep down we're all horrible people. I wouldn't say horrible, but there is certainly good and bad

and each in every single one of us. Um, And you're right, it's just depending on our value system and are able to control that. And um, you know we all have the capability of doing really horrible things. Um, it's just whether we have the will to just saying or not act on them. Yeah, saying things dark thought for the day, I know. Anyway, So speaking of dark thoughts, you know what's a dark thought? Going to the grocery store. That is the worst spare, especially in l A. There's

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been rocky. During the better part of our relationship, I've honestly never felt more loved by anyone in my entire life. But now it seems as though our relationship is ending. The last thing he texted to me was, well, you are right on the fact that it could actually be possible with things changing. I don't want to walk away because I've always loved you, but I don't know. Yeah, I'm thinking I just want you to know I'm not

ignoring you. Since that text, he has not responded to me in over a week, so I've tried multiple times to contact him. Do you think he's not that enemy? Should I start moving on? Yes? And before we say anything, you more than you ended the email with, do you think maybe he's just not that into me? Yeah? You guys have been in a serious relationship for two years and you have to ask that question at the end

of the email. Well, they do say after there's like the two year breaking point on it, or something like after two years, like the first year, at the honeymoon stage, a second year. I guess like you're starting to know each other. We should get Sia. She's she's an expert on these things over we talked to her earlier, so we should get her and get her. If you'll, if you all remember from about nine, oh, you want to

stay with me? You want to sit About nine or ten months ago, we advertised that we were running a batchbacket league. That help I secon dating Batchbacket League and Sierra in her infinite is it Sierra Serra Sira, I was calling infinite wisdom. She won the batch bracket league, not just by a small margin, but with flying colors. How many people were in the batch bracket Like a thousand,

two hundred people were in the Batchbacket league. I was in the league, and I got like and I watched, I watched the episodes before they aired, and I still got last place a thousand people and she wanted for you. It's incredible. What's your advice for Morgan? Sira? Well, I think that ideally you should be able to ask him

the questions that you're asking. And I understand like asking other people for advice, but I think you're asking pretty clear things that you should already have a foundation for a lot of the emails like yet they already know the answer. It's like listen, like I would go to a psychic or tarot card reader just to get like reassurance of what I already knew. I feel like that's what we are to them, like a trot tarot card readers,

Like we're just reassuring you that what you're feeling is right. Yeah. But my question, um Morgan has been saying that he has been unresponsive for the past Yeah, so's the question, what does she do next? Because from what I'm understanding is that this relationship is not over or hasn't been ended. It's just him saying you should take well no, no, no,

no no, Actually I take that back. She shouldn't take the reins because then what what her boyfriend is going to do is say, oh, well you went of the relationship with me, when in reality he's essentially ending it. Yet she's going to be forced into a position of verbally cutting cut it off, and then he can later on make her feel guilty for doing that. So what do you suggest he doesn't or she does in that case?

I mean, I think you should know what you deserve a little bit, and people always say communication is so important in a relationship. So if he's not even giving you the access to communicate with him, then I think that's your answer. Well done. You're a the relationship therapist. Yeah. Yeah, But I've always had a fascination with it. I was really interested in infidel since I was in high school. So I did grad school and everything, and then through

studying different licenses and specialties, I found sex addiction. And then through that sex therapy. Why infidelity? Were there something in your life that push you in that direction? Actually not my family. I don't know. I just always had a weird fascination with it, and it wasn't until I was older that, you know, I felt like it became

more relevant. Have you ever cheated on anyone? If she's so fascinated by well, I was going to ask if you were in a relationship, and if they were relationship. I've been in all three points of the triangle. Got it? Wait? Three? Yea three? Being cheated on, being cheating, and then being the person cheating. She was doing some homework for her degree. She wanted to be a sex therapist. You know, you got a really experience, so you can understand. I get it.

So anyways for advice for Morgan, essentially is almost four him to communicate with you because you know the answer, but you want to hear it from him. In my's in my opinion, that's what she should do. Is here exactly how he feels from him. That way, he can't turn around and be like, you're the reason for this.

I say, move on with your life. Just move on, acquire an answer, require some like objective words, right, I mean, I think it's so easy to say move on, But I think like at the end of the day, you have like an emotional attachment to someone, you love, someone for two years that were part of your life, significant significant part of your life for two years, you want to be able to at least like, I'm the type of person I want to be able to end it in a way that like, when once it ends, I

know I'm not looking back and I know I have zero regrets. So she needs to message him a direct message about where she stands, and she needs to know where he stands in order for her to be able to make a decision. For me, I'm kind of uh, I think that she should just end it. She should text or call him and just say it's over. She should break up with him because the idea that he's not. They've been in a two year relationship and he hasn't responded to her for a week after telling her. But

I don't know. Yeah, I'm thinking, I just want you to know I'm not ignoring you. Go to hell, bro, you know that's exactly Yes, you're right, You're right. It matters less who's actually doing the ending, I think. But you deserve better, so you should just move on with your life. Amen to that. We've got a number of emails for Vanessa. For me, Yes, Hailey says, I recently went on a date and he asked me about my bracelet that says Grace. I said, I think it's one

of the most important things in life. And he said, you're too good a person to be hanging out with someone like me Red Flag another man in my life, this pastor said. I intimidated him because I have my ish together well so that all I can say is thank you. There is a lyric to a song that says, the only thing about flames that right is they tend to make mine seem darker. I need someone who sees my flame for the bright fire that it is and wants to be near it. Vanessa, I think you needed

to hear this. I believe you, Burton Bright, and I know you it in yourself. Oh my god, Haley, I'm literally like jumping up and down right now. That is such a powerful email. Thank you so much for sharing that, and I absolutely agree with you. Um. When I was dating a few people, my close friends of mine were telling me, Vanessa, I just see like you're like getting

dimmer and dimmer and dimmer. And so I started to realize that I wasn't being my full authentic self whenever I was in these types of relationships, and that's when I knew I had to like end it and move on. UM. And then I would date people who would who tell me you're too intimidating, And I don't know if that's there nicer way of saying, I'm just not that into you. So I'm gonna make it seem as if you're like

that big of a person that I can't like start dating. UM. But I took that as a sign that, you know, if you can't deal with whatever is going on in my life right now, then I don't how could you be like someone who's a supportive father or a supportive husbands. So literally the next that when Arianna Grandy came out with her thank You Next song, I just kept playing that on a replay for like days. What why why are you doing that? No, I totally agree with you.

I think the handmost and you're giving, doesn't you know what it is? It's just the thing. If one more time, thank you? No, I I agree with you. I I I think in general, sometimes I shouldn't say in general. I think sometimes guys have a tendency to date down. Sure, they want to feel superior, superior exactly, and so I think that while it is kind of BS to be like you intimidate me or you're too good for me, I think there is a sliver of truth when guys

say that, Um, I don't know. They shouldn't. They should just they should just man up. That's what they should do. They should man up. From a personal experience, I'm gonna share a personal story with you that I don't think it's been shared on air before. It involves a very close friend of all of ours, Tanya rad But I went on a date with Marty knows this very well. Beautiful, She's like a bright light. So we went on a date six months ago. How how long ago is that?

I don't know. I can get you the exact dat if you'd like me to, but I know concert Anyways, we then went to the I Heart Festival in Las Vegas, all of us Tatanya's I heeart. We have this podcast your iHeart, um, and so obviously all of us were there, and we were back in the green room on like a Friday or Saturday night or something. Humble break, no big deal, We're hanging with celebrities left in the night,

just whatever. And Tanya lin like comes over to me, not comes over, but we're having a conversation, and she goes like, why didn't you know, why has there been

no interest to go on a second date? And my gud getting nervous or phones already regret it, Um, and I had been drinking at that point, you know, obviously, like it was one in the morning at this point, right and it's a Saturday night, we're in Las Vegas, and I sent you kind of dive into something similar to what Haley is dealing with, where I was like confiding in Tanya. I was like, look, who, You're just

too good for me? In a sense where like I won't be able to live up to the expectations that I feel like you should have for your significant other. Then and I got into all the shortcomings that I would have in the relationship, and I literally got to the point where, in the middle of this green room or surrounded by legitimate celebrities, I started crying, like bawling in front of everyone, and Tanya like, lean over, She's like, why are you crying? I was like, I don't know.

I don't know what's going on. I'm emotional right now.

I feel bad for letting you down even after just one date and not essentially being able to buy into the fact that I could live up to what you need in a person um and especially like we we kind of miss align on a lot of um like not moral things, but he's very like faithful and devout and like all these things that I don't necessarily agree with, which is not a deal breaker by any means, but I think it's important to her, And so I'm just trying to play devil's advocate for Haley, because can I

can I play a devil's advocate for you, because I was because I agree with what you're saying uh, having said that, being someone similar to yourself for a very long time, thinking maybe I couldn't live up to the expectations that Ashley gave to me, which is why we weren't together for quite some time. And so for me, in my mind, it was like, she's too good for me.

She's a bright star, and I just can't keep up with that, And in retrospect, having like to really either do something or just continue living in that path, I think it was kind of lazy on my part to call me lazy. I think so, I think I might be calling you a little lazy nine a terrible way,

because you're a wonderful human being. But in terms of saying someone you're too good for me, because it's like, well, you know what, if the feelings were there, then I should be driven enough to try to catch up to you, to be like, no, I can be that guy, because I think a lot of times guys will say I'm not good enough. I'm just not good enough. So I'm gonna keep living my in my little bubble and not be willing to really fight for what I want. But what if there's no desire to be that good, Well,

then I think the feelings aren't there. I think it's both. I think you're both right. I mean, I don't think. I don't see Dean is being lazy in this situation. I'm not calling Dean lazy. I was calling I've been in that situation too, because guys in their twenties are lazy, Like we don't want to work that hard. We wanted to be really easy. And I don't know what it is if it's that's feeling, it's that spark, it's that lover, it's that maturity that finally makes us get off our butts.

But yeah, there is a certain kind of I don't and I think it's also guys that want. Guys want to be wanted. We want I don't want. I want the opposite. I really hate it, and I want to earn. I don't know why. Why do you do what? Why do you like? It's a contraing in me. If you don't want me, I want you to want me, and if you want me, I don't want you to be wanting. I don't want want more. But how are you going

to have something like significant? I'm not so I can shake that, and trust me, I know it's a character fall or flaw. I'm sorry, Um, it's just that's how I am and I think about all the time. But that makes me so sad. I'm happy, like makes me sad because like, I want you to see what we all see in you. But the point is, it's it's this weird complex that I have my brain where if you, like I said, if you want me, I don't want, you don't want me, and if you don't want me

that I want you want. It's almost like you you pursue somebody and when they finally are like okay, yes I'm here for You're like totally, that's so much. The reason I say that is because I'm very similar to Yah Sarah. Do you have advice for being on this because we might need a professional for this. Yeah, we need a sex serapist opinion on this, please. Yeah. The question is the question is is there any hope for me?

Or look at your face for your I'm glad that my face is the only thing that makes Garry think that there's hope. But what I'm saying is, though the way you get to the point of thinking I deserve this is difficult. Well, here's the challenge hard, here's the challenging thing now too, is there's a podcast with three hosts and I'm the only single person. Now apparently, boy, let's jump into Vanessa's new boyfriend real quick, can't we? Yes? We can? We? Are you shaking your head over there?

You can stop talking about it when the guests were in here, right, Well, I just don't want to talk about it right now. But maybe next week I'll give you some. But here's the thing. Last time you did this, you ended up having went to a wedding with a dog. Tell us it's a little bit more substantial than that. Well, I told you the guy that I kissed on You said you kissed the guy on New Year's Human Mail. Okay, so we're gonna dive a little more into that relationship

next episode. Whatever I'm comfortable sharing. Well, but the fact that you're teasing it like this means it's got to be a good payoff. You gotta give us a legitimate payoff next week. You can't just he has brown hair. They're done. He doesn't have brown Oh, all right, we're narrowing it down. It's like playing the game. Guests who

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It's it's as I mentioned before, it's a product I had way before even being a co host of this podcast because they're so great. By your twenty three and Me Health and Ancestry Kit today at twenty three and me dot com slash Dean, and of course, last, but certainly not least, is thrive Market. Be sure to go to thrive market dot com slash Dean and enter code Dean to get off your very first order, and that's an order that's already up to percent off of retail prices.

You'll also get a free thirty day trial, so go to thrive market dot com slash Dean. Big thank you to the wicked good host, Mark Wallberg, Mark all the other Mark Waalbark Now, big thank you to Mark Warward for joining us in studio as well Chad Johnson. Big thank you to Chad Johnson The Bachelor and now this week this on the big Song the Beach. There's always one that I love and we'll look back on this year as one of my favorites because we're all in

the studio together. It's so much better when we're all in the studio together. The flow is better, the vibe is better. It is so hard being on the opposite end because I'm like, I don't know if they hear me, should I interrupt now, because I think there's like a couple of seconds delay, and it's just it's so off and I'm so happy. The moral of the story is the Vanessa you have to move back to l A

because we just need it's it's for the podcast. So he doesn't have dark hair and he's not we're getting we're narrowing it down for next d Is it weird that I'm like kind of low key jealous. You're jealous a little bit? All right, let's tap into that next Anyways, next week's episode of Help I Suck at Dating? Apparently I'm the only one that might need to suck a little bit less. Follow help by Suck at Dating with Dean, Vanessa and Jared on I Heart Radio or wherever you listen to podcast