F-Boys Will Be Boys

talking to you guys. Well, that's so sweet, but the honor is all ours. I say this next to my husband. Um, so, this is how secure we are. You're definitely, in my appoint of view, the best looking guy on not only the best F boy Island, not not only the best looking F boy guy, but the best looking guy in general. Nice guys. These guys have no chance next to him. And really, you you lead the way you know you

did until this crazy Well. I don't want to spoil Earl or anyone, but there's there's a crazy ceremony you know where you do get to part um through the parks and I think everybody was quite shocked. Um it was. It was a loss. But we found out then as if it wasn't obvious already that you were a self proclaimed F boy. Now, what what made you enough boy? Well, my question is like I want to ask about the casting process, like did you just have to be like

the honor system, like, yeah, I'm an F boy. Well, they started throwing the word around. They were like, hey, hey, kay, so are you are you? Are you an F boy? And I was like, I was like, why do they keep saying this? And I was like, I think they're trying to get at something here, and I was like, Okay, well let's run with it. I mean, at the end of the day, I'm twenty four, I'm single, and I feel like I'm just doing anything any normal four year

old person would do. And so they definitely were like, Okay, this kid, the hair, that tattoo, he's he's definitely not a nice guy. That's that's sure. You know what's funny is that Dean's really supposed to be here today, because I'm pretty sure Dean may have inspired the whole concept with a lan and so along. Gael, the executive producer of F Boy Island, was the executive producer and really um, the mastermind behind Bachelor in Paradise and you your your

vibe very much reminds me of a young Dean. He's reformed, he's now a reformed nice guy. Now Dean's just an F boy on podcast. He'sn't show up when he's supposed to be. Oh that's that's awesome. No, I mean I've been I've been following you a Dean for a minute, so to be to be able to talk to you and be compared to the Dan babies, that's not lit deany babies. He's got to change that. I guess you should never really change it. He'll always be Danny babies.

So now your self proclaimed reformed nice guy. So how do you go from being an F boy to reform nice guy? Yeah, it's a great question. I think that any time. You know, my my one thing is you know, obviously respect honestly with all women. But you know, I could go on one two dates and it might not be for me, but you might meet that girl. You know, you might meet that girl who's like, Wow, it's really

worth pursuing a relationship with. And when I met CJ on the show, I was like, you know what I got a man up here, like, I gotta change my ways a little bit because she's calling me a boy toy, she's calling me a project, and apparently she's she's she's seeing something in me that has potential. So that's when I was like, Okay, maybe it's time to reform this

f boy lifestyle that I've been living. And I think I want to give a huge shout out to CJ for for making the decision in my mind to to step up to the plate and be a be a reformed nice guy for her. So when did the show tape? We failed? We got there in February and it was February, all of March and about half of April, two and a half months. That's a long shout quarantine, super long, super long. By the end of it, I think everyone was exhausted and was just like, hey, let's let's get

out for contact. Paradise is a month long. Yeah, it's for the very longest. It's like four to twenty six days for the people who get engaged and start there. Now, the reason I ask you this is because I'm like, how was the hot girl summer for the reformed nice guy? I sure fantastic. Let's just say it's been a it's been a really good, really good month for for the reforms. What they called it. They called this something like the

summer of oh hot back summer or something like that. Yeah. Yeah, anyway, everybody's doing it this summer. It's good times. So so are you single now? Yeah? Absolutely, absolutely, I'm single. It's like absolutely, my show is airing right now. You don't know what I'm single and single and single? How many times I'm saying no, yeah, you know now they I'm kind of just focused on myself. I'm really interested in what's gonna come next of me, and the potential for

something else is definitely there. Maybe uh you know, I know, they just announced season two, so I definitely would be interested in speaking with a lone about that. Well, that's what I was going to ask, because they HBO Max just announced that they're doing season two of F Boy Island, and I'm curious are they going to have a whole

new cast. What I think would be really cool is if they do bring in a new cast of f boys and nice guys and women obviously, but then you have former contestants like yourself, Casey, like an F boy who turned into a nice guy come back on FOY season two. I think you're onto something. I think that would be okay, okay, okay, but how are you going to prove that you're now a nice guy? That is the That's a great question. I might need your help with that. Actually, how how am I going to prove?

How does one prove that they're a nice guy? Actually, probably like getting a girlfriend and being loyal to her. You can't be you can't have a girlfriend going on the show, so I don't know. Then then you're immediately an F boy immediately immediately, No, I think that right now. I just need to, especially you know, basically on social media to just portray I mean, I really am a nice guy. Like, were you guys shocked or did you already know I was a boy? Quite evidence that you were.

If it doesn't mean that F boys aren't nice, It just means that they are not good to date for your soul. Dude, Deanie Babies is like the nicest guy ever. Yeah, but he may have been, you know, an f point in his time. Okay, I'll take that. Well, I'm working on it every day. I'm just becoming a nicer guy every day, and by the time we shoot season two, hopefully I'll be the nice Yeah. But you know, be cool is if you went back on season two and nobody knew if you were still an F boy or

a nice guy. You're just putting out some great That would be cool if you had former as reformed because like he went through the camp. Yeah, but you know, all of a sudden hot vack summer happens and it's like, Okay, what's case you've been do it? Okay? This was Jared and my big question going into this, um how was like everybody and F boy for real? Like do you think that the nice guys are really that nice? Or like were they just calling themselves that? Don't even give me,

don't even get you firmly believe this. I believe that so many of the nice guys were definitely way more F boy. I think there's one person that comes straight to my mind, probably the person that won c J. Honestly, I think I was a nicer, a way nicer guy than he was. Okay, still binging. So in order to find this out, you'll have to you'll have to watch to the very end. Well, I did want to ask about because you became really close friends with Garrett on

your season. Uh, and so are you guys, You guys still romantic? You guys lived together, right? Uh? Not yet, not yet. So I'm just kind of some logistical stuff. But yeah, I've been a l a couple of times to stay with him, and in this past weekend he came to Cleveland, we went to the Jake Paul Fights together. So yes, we're That's a nice segment to my next question, which is have you met Sarah and is she nice? Oh? Man,

I met Sarah, well, Sar, she met Sarah on the show. No, I thought, no, no, no no, no, this is Jake Paul's another Sarah. No, there's a different Sarah, Jake Paul's ex girlfriend, Sarah May. I think her name is Mia. Her name is Mia. Oh, I understand how we're reading. We're reading the headline like, okay, yes, yes, yes, it's says Sarah who. Let me start over the headline because I'm all over the place. So Garrett apparently is dating Jake Paul's ex girlfriend.

The headline is saying Sarah who as in Sarah from the show. But Jake Paul's ex girlfriend is Mia. Got it? I read that headline wrong. So my question is, but why is she at his his fight? Yeah, this is weird. So, oh man, I'm in hotwater right now. Yes, I have met me. She is she is very she's very nice. But I think that headline was very out of context. They're they're they're not like dating dating. I think that that was taken. I'm not saying that either, Garrett. I'm sorry, No,

they're not dating me as a really sweet girl. I think Garrett is trying to focus on himself right now and he's you know, a lot of people are upset with Garrett. So he's he's in uh, he's in, you know, trying to make his public image a little bit better right now. And I think that's where he's at. Yes, So Garrett was at the Jake Paul fight. Yeah, you can't know. It was me and him. She was not there. She was not there. It was just it was just Garrett and I. You know, he's a I'm a lover,

he's a fighter. Like he's trying to call out Jake Paul. He wants to fight Jake Paul. I'm like, yeah, I don't know. Jake's a pretty good boxer. I don't I don't get the whole fight. Every wants to fight these days. I'm like, I'm not. I don't want to fight anyone. I'm too nice for that. You've got too good of a face. That seems like to say, speaking of Dean, somebody's joining us from what it looks like a spa. He's definitely has one of those rooms in Greece with

the pool in there. Honeymoon. Before my internet drops again, I want to make one thing clear. I'm doing my best to be here. I've moved nineteen times to find the most strong WiFi connection. I'm doing my best. But Casey, it's an honor to have you on this podcast. My girlfriend and I watched every episode of f Boy Island, and I gotta say I don't think I was in the minority when I was rooting for CJ to pick you. At the very very end, I've got a laundry list

of questions for you. I'm gonna let Jared and actually continue to interview you because I'm terrified of my connection dropping mid question. So I'm just like coming in for a second, and I hope it last long enough for me to like maybe like ask a question or two along the way. Well, I got a question perfectly. Okay, Casey, You've mentioned multiple times in this interview that you're like

focusing on yourself and that Garrett's focusing on himself. Is that really just code word for like, we're still going to mess around a little bit longer. I mean, you're twenty four, you have every writing. Yeah. No, I mean at the end of the day, I really do you know. I had my I was in college, I went to college, I had fun, I messed around, But at this point in my life, I really do want to focus on

what's next for my career. Uh. And so I think right now, if I if I were, I think the only girl that I would consider, you know, pursuing, would be CJ. At this point, you know, other than that, I'm really focused on myself. But if CJ were to perhaps stumble back into my life, which could be a possibility, then I would definitely pursue. They're talking, so, okay, all right, So here's my chance to interject. Then, So this is actually one of the quite Kalin it out like five

questions that she wanted me to ask you again. She's sleeping. It's like eleven PM here in Grease. It doesn't matter. She wants to know, are you aware of like c J and Jared's current relationship status. Yeah, I am, I very much A yeah, and that is it's it's I think there. I think they're okay. Yeah, so if they were to like go on an ice cream date, they would pick Rocky Road as their flavor. That was good. I like, that's when I tried, that's what I do.

He definitely hate me for saying that because that was the stupidest thing I've ever said. But everybody's getting the point here. Everybody's getting the point. Everybody's getting the point. Well, Casey, we really appreciate you joining us. We hope nothing but the best for you in the future, for you and c J. Maybe we'll see. We'll see what the future has and who knows, maybe f Boy Island season two. I think it would be awesome to have you back on. So we'll text Alon and be like, you gotta get

Casey back on this show because he's the best. You couldn't see Casey's face when he was talking about Rocky Road ice cream and c J and all that, but like it was very smiley and telling what's ally, Oh hey, thanks for having us. Actually Jared's so good to meet you guys, and Uh, I think again. Thanks, it's been a pleasure of dere Thanks Bunny, Yeah you too, really nice meeting man. Hey, welcome back to help I suck a dating. Of course, Jared here, Ashley here, Dean he

might be here. We don't really know. We shouldnt even allow him in anymore. No, that's not no, that's not fair. We have a great guest on from f Boy Island, and we just had Casey Johnson on. Now we have a nice guy. We have Fernando Titus. Fernando, thank you so much for joining us. Thank you so much for having me Jared and Nashally I appreciate it. And Dean, who wasn't here with us today. No, we appreciate so so for no, No, I want to talk about the

casting process for f Buy Island. Did like, was it weird to be like, no, I'm a nice guy or did they put the label on you? Did you approach them throughout casting? Was like, oh, I'm not an f boy, I'm more of a nice guy. So the casting process was pretty interesting the whole time up until we actually got to set and UH delivered our electronics and we didn't know what we were being casting for. He didn't know what show you were being casting for. Not oh

like it was it was like the weirdest thing. Like I remember getting to the airport and just seeing a whole bunch of good looking dudes, and like they were like, yes, this like Fire Festival Part two, Like what's on here? Like what was going on? Even the first contract that we got, which was which was a hoax, it said Lord of the Bros. So we were like, what is going on here? But during casting, it was the typical questions that they probably asked you for going on a

bachelor bachroom Paradise. Who you are, what do you do, what makes you an eligible bachelor? What makes you different than the rest? How do you treat women in real life? What do you look for in a relationship? Things like that, And I guess my answers just led me to be being labeled as a nice guy. So we didn't know that there was gonna be a nice guy and f

boy like battle. And when we got there and after we went through everything, at the end of the initial interview, they just said, hey, so your name is saying I'm a nice guy, and that's not figured out. Oh, I guess I'm a nice guy, Breneta. I have a question for you. So for the I love that you're a

nice guy. For the F Boys, what do you think they said that like per the producers to consider them as F boys, Because I remember, like I know, like when they get called that for F Boys, there was like a little bit of a montage as like to they're like casting tape or whatever. But like, why did those guys say those things? Like, I mean, I don't like an F boy is the king of like a king of lying, So it's like, why would they be so honest about those things in the casting material? Do

you think honestly seeing those casting tastes was hilarious? I had no idea that those guys are going that book wow in their interview process, And to be honest, I just think that they just went for it. They wanted to just be themselves and just show like, Hey, this is me. I don't know what type of show this is, but I feel like this fits the mantra for all the shows that are out right now. So maybe that's why that they went with that guy. I like, I

think that makes a lot of sense. What if you showed up and you like didn't want to be part of a dating show? Or did you have a pretty good idea that it was a dating show? Oh? I knew it was a dating show. The thing that confused me the most was getting to the airport and seeing maybe like the thirty dudes, and I was like, the other plane, maybe there were thirty girls there, Like I didn't know, Like, yeah, I didn't know anything, you know, I didn't know if it was gonna be one girl,

three girls, went to one ratio anything like that. I just knew that there would be women, And when I got to the airport, I knew there were dudes. Did you guess any show that it might have been. Were you thinking that you might have been on one show? Uh? Not?

In particular only because I had already gone through the casting process for Love Island and Too Hot to Handle, so I knew it wasn't those already, and it was a brand new show on HBO, and I was like, Okay, it's not The Winner, so it's not twelve days to Christmas, and of course The Bachelor's not on on HBO, so

I knew it wasn't bad. Prettive, I gotta speak up real quick because my girlfriend and I watched the show in like we like religiously in a weird way, you know, like they released them in in in segments or whatever.

In our opinion, both my your my girlfriend's opinion, you were the most eligible bachelor out of all of them, and it almost it almost wasn't even a competition, like you were like the guy, right, So, like, how has I guess, how is your life like been affected by the show coming off of it now that it's fully aired. Now that the show is fully aired, the main thing that I noticed is that nobody's asking me about how I feel about things, And that was such a huge

change for me. And I'm so I'm easy. I'm easily able to now express myself in jo Like I always thought I was a catch and I was always a good dude, But now I can just open up easier. I know, tons of questions to ask to start to like get to know somebody a lot better. And it's really just made my interpersonal relationships are a lot better and it's definitely easier to just talk to anybody in general. The magic of working with a long gale, it'll do a lot for you. And when it comes to that

emotional maturity. Uh. So, are you still an eligible bachelor? Yeah? Currently I am. I'm well, I'm back in Los Angeles, I am working, and I'm just loving with what's like giving me right now? Would you be open to going back on f F Boy Island because they said that they're doing a season two. Oh? Absolutely, I would definitely go back and show the right person. You know that they deserve the best in your life, and I'm gonna

give it. I gotta say something because I heard before my wife I dropped when you're talking to Casey before this, you guys talking about f By Island season two, and I could have missed something, and so if I if

I repeat something, I apologize. I think what they should do for season two is bring back nice guys like for An and oh maybe a couple of others, and then those are the guys, and then it's kind of like an F Girl Island in a sense, you know what I mean, because there's definitely no shortage of f girls. I think we bring back the non nice guy. We bring back the no nice guys that maybe like we're just shy of like finding what they wanted to find and bring you know, thirty girls in and kind of

see how it I hold from there. If I was a line which I obviously I can't even hold the candle to the guy. That's kind of where my mind would be at this point. I think, I think, and I think Fernando would be a prime candidate for that role in my opinion. Thank you, I I totally agree to.

I do think that in my position, I was just a little shy, and I was battling O g Jared, and he was making her so upsettled the time, and I was, you know, always there to pick up pieces, and I just felt like the connection that they had, like the kind of disruptive the connection I had. So now if I had a chance to do that, you know, I'd be able to actually just see everything and give

everybody a fair shot. Yeah, that's actually a really good idea, Dean, because what Ashley and I were thinking was in what they could do is bring on a new cast of guys and girls, but then bring back former cast members from season one, Like it could be Fernando, it could be Casey, but it's still not known if they're like they come back and it could be like Casey could still be an F boy, or he could turn him to a nice guy nobody knows, or like Fernando, obviously

you'd be a nice guy. But hypopothetically speaking, like what if you go on season two and since the time has passed, you turned into an f Yeah, because he got like his ego stroked. All I can think about is Blake from Bachelor in Paradise, Like that would be it, you know what I mean? Like if Blake was on season one F boy and he was a nice guy, Blake Hurtsman, and then he went back like he did on Paradise, he would have been an F boy and nobody would have known it, you know, nobody would have

saw it coming. I gotta say. I gotta say, though, I think Fernando is in a unique position because Blake. I would probably loot myself into the same scenario as Blake, Like we're just like bland white dudes who like just somehow fell into this like realm of popularity. Fernando has been in the in the world for a long time. He's a freaking olympian, He's a doctor with multiple practices. Like this guy is no stranger to like having women just throw themselves at him. So that's kind of why

I think it would be a little bit different for Fernando. UM. And I don't want to put any words in your mouth, of course, but like that's just kind of how I pursue that Fernando is definitely more of a catch than you and play I totally stop, I'm not doing Fernando. UM, how did it feel being the only guy who like had a real job in the house, because that's what I noticed. Yeah, I noticed that too very quickly, especially with the type of combos and things being said on camera.

I was like, you, guys, you have a life after this. But I was like, oh, you don't, so like you're just you're just doing you know, like I have to go back to a job, I have a license, you know, Like I gotta be careful but also uphold myself to who I truly am, and so just being there, I always had to be mindful of the things that I said and the things I did, and of course I wanted to make my mom proud as well. He is a real nice guy. Yeah, you're a real nice guy.

You really are. And I will say all the people that we saw on the show, you definitely handled yourself above and beyond anyone else that we saw. So that's that's exactly what I'm kind of rooting for the f boy season two to be more of like an girl Island, I guess could say, and make the guys more of like the Bachelor, you know, and Fernando could be one of the Bachelor's for sure. That's exactly where Alon said is at and I it's so I'm sure Ashley and

Jared you guys have and Fernando you guys. I'll watch the show, uh and I just kind of want to relive the final episode where um, you know, she's choosing O G Jared and O G. Jared like steps back to make his speech before he like says whether he's gonna split the money or not. Dude, me and Kaylyn were like staring at each other like on that was like the apex of the show, like pins and needles. Like I thought for sure he was gonna be like, I'm taking the money just like Garrett did, but he

he didn't. And I mean I kept up to day on their relationship status, but I mean I still can't believe. The ending was absolutely insane, and Fernando to be part of that was I mean it must have been like life changing in a lot of ways, right, it was. There were a lot of real emotions going through there. I was on my toes the entire time. And I actually didn't see what he said to Nikia after I was eliminated in the final elimination. So the way he started that speech, it was right on par with what

he was telling us back at the cottages. Like he was like, I'm going to take the money, like he doesn't matter. And when he stopped, I was watching it on TV. I was just like, I was like, oh my god, he's gonna take to and then he actually didn't. So it was such a it was a relieving surprise. Okay, but tell us, so let's say you were We all know you're a nice guy, said it would have been split anyways. If you were in his position, would you have taken it or would you have split any think? Uh?

If I was in his position, ah, man, he I probably would have split it. You know. I saw how much she liked him and he just had her, you know, And so that only would have been the right thing to do, regardless of if they work or not. At least you know, you put her through so much harder at least make it a little bit easier after the show. I respect that absolutely. Fernando, thank you so much for

joining us today. We really appreciate it. Uh. And then hopefully, like Dean said, hopefully you are You know, it's f Girl Island. That will be season two F Boy Island, and you're one of the one of the guys. Yes, man, thank you so much for having me. Everybody, I really appreciate you taking the time out to do this one. No, we appreciate you coming on. Fernando Titus, thank you so much. Hey, we're gonna help I suck at dating Jared here, Dean is here as well. Dean's in Greece, so his WIFEI

is kind of going in and out. So I have my wonderful, beautiful, somewhat sick wife sitting next to me because we have some very special guests from F Boy Island to show that both Dean and Ashley love and I love as well. But uh, I gotta be honest, I haven't finished watching yet, so I gotta get on that. But it's a great show anyway. Ashley, how are you hi?

I'm good. Hey, Dean, what part of Greece are you in. Um, I'm actually in your guys favorite section of Greece, Santorini, which I remember you guys came here for your honeymoon, if I'm not mistaken. Yes, And we chose Santorini because, like they say, it's like the spa relaxation not party section of Greece. It's the best. Yeah. Yeah, So we got in maybe like six hours ago. I walked around,

as I'm sure you guys explored all the areas. It's it's really just one of the most picturesque cities or towns. I guess, I don't know whatever it is in the in the world, right, like cliff side, beautiful buildings, incredible sceneries. Um. So yeah, so that's all my wife I suck. So I apologize if I'm in and out for you. When we were in Santorini, we're obviously posting and Rob Thomas texted me and he said, we love Santorini. I hope you guys are doing well and the honeymoon's going well.

And I was like, actually, I'm so happy we chose Santorini. You're such a lack of or did you go to EA yet? Are you India are you staying there? We are saying in EA. Um, tomorrow we go. So we got delayed a day because if IDAs um, I guess appreciation to the north, like New Jersey, New York area. So so if I got pushed the whole day, So we lost today. But we go Greece. We go Greece to Italy, which I know you guys spend time in Positano as well. We're going. We're going like Como to

the Dolomites and mental Tuscany. Okay, so are you guys on your honeymoon? Now? It's just just yeah, this is definitely honeymoon, right, you guys are married. Yeah, I actually actually thank you for asking the question. Yes, it actually is our honeymoon. UM see, I believe him. So we're doing our best. We're trying to make it as a romance filled as we possibly can. Um. It's just it's just weeks filled with looking each other in the eyes, telling each other how much we love one another, and

just enjoying being in the most beautiful place on earth. Honestly, do you ever get bored on vacations? Um? Yeah, that's a really good question actually in these areas, Yes, definitely. I do I. Um, obviously, I love photography, so like there's a lot of like really good photography locations here. Um, but I definitely like Okay, So, like Kalen is walking to dinner and she wants to like stop in like nine different little boutiques along the way. Yeah, it's everyone right,

Like I understand it and I appreciate it. And there are times when she like slows down but keeps walking and I we like walk past it. I'm like, you know, you can go in that store if you want, and she's like, oh my gosh, okay, good thank goodness, because like I saw something I really wanted. So it's like I'm not bored, but I definitely you know, um, I don't.

I don't know, I'm stoked. But at the same time, well like sometimes on our honeymoon, yeah, I mean it's gorgeous and it's beautiful and I love being there, but there are times like I remember we watched a couple of movies and I was like, should we be watching movies while we're in Greece. We watched The Town right, and I was like, should we be doing this or should we just be like staring at nature? Get at night?

Bab we never did that during the day. No, I know, it's still you make a good point, like you could watch the town anywhere in the world and here you are in like the most romantic city in the world and you're watching the town and you know what tell room. But I I disagree. I think that like wherever you are, whatever you're doing, um like just do what feels right. So like if you felt like watching the town when you're in Positano, like just freaking do it. Who care?

Plus we are we were so off time wise that we were like falling asleep at three am. So yeah, at one am we could watch a full movie. Now, if I try to watch a movie at eight pm, I fall asleep by eight thirty. It's so bad. I fully agree with that. That makes that makes sense obviously. Uh well, we did have some hot topics, but I don't know if we're going to really discuss in depth.

Because it's about celebrities who lost their uginity, why aren't we well because I thought when I'm reading about the topic, us like, oh, Dean and I can talk about this and kind of like talk about our own experiences. But I don't know if we want to talk about these things together. Yeah, that's what I thought. So we'll just talk about there these celebrities. I think we can talk

to Dean about it. Yeah, I mean mine, that's fine. Well, it's all about when stars lost their virginity, and Megan Fox and Kim Kardashian, George Cluney, a lot of other celebrities got very personal in this interview, which was printed on US Weekly. Well they didn't. They didn't get it wasn't this, It wasn't a collection of that. Uh. And so you know, obviously some celebrities, you know, some people they just feel like they want to keep their sexual

experiences close to their chests. And obviously others have no problem kissing and telling. So, for example, Dak Shepherd, who's of course the host of the Armchair Expert podcast, he revealed back in two thousand nineteen in an episode where he had Gwyneth Paltrow on the podcast, that he was actually in seventh grade when he had sex. So he was twelve, Yes, he was either twelve or thirteen, and he says, I lost my virginity intentionally to love my

way by the psychedelic furs in the basement of my house. Luckily, we got right into the action and I did not make it to the course, and then I was just very confusing. I'm just very distinct. That's like, that's like thinking about a child seventh grade, I know, especially having a kid. Now, it's like, when do we have to have this conversation? God, well, if they fall on our footsteps, very fine, Yeah, at least seven. Speaking of Actually, you seem to be feeling a lot better just from this

conversation we've had so far. Yeah, yeah, this week has been a turning point. It's been good, Thank god. Yeah, I mean that's awesome. I've only heard, well mostly heard through Jared about how difficult it's been for you. But yeah, I mean it seems like things are going better. Yeah, I'm I'm definite really better. She's definitely better. She threw up this morning, but like even just there's no more. Well I don't want to say no more, I don't want it, but twenty four hour nausea doesn't seem to

be happening anymore, which is great. Yeah. The throw ups are kind of sudden, like it'll be like thirty second warning and then it comes out and then I'm kind of like okay, okay, that was fun. The nice thing is the next time, well, I mean not the next time, but we can plan on throwing up again in seventeen years, when you're a little boy is potentially losing his virginity, You're gonna be throwing up because of a different reason, you know, like a little upset maybe like a little

like emotionally. I don't want to think about that. Could you imagine walking in Jared is going to deal with all of that, all those conversations, Oh, well, yeah, especially especially Yeah, I can relate more and be like, hey, this is what that does, and like, I know, it's kind of weird and you know, but you'll learn. Yeah, I mean, I mean, I I envy you guys in a lot of ways, but not at the same time. I feel like those conversations have to kind of come

easier for having a boy. Like so I told Jared last week, my brother is expecting a baby girl basically the same day you guys are expecting your boy, and he is going to have a lot I feel like having a conversation with the girl about that kind of stuff is a little more challenging, especially from our perspective. Jared, Oh, I feel like a girl. Just is it's more I don't know, protect elgi. Yeah, delicate. I didn't want to say delicate because I didn't want to make it sound bad,

but just like, yeah, there's it. Probably is a stereotype. But just like with a guy, it's like, hey, listen, be good, be truthful, be honest, but like you know, you just like wrap it up. I don't know, I feel like a girl. It's way more complex. Okay, well, just a little deviation from this. You there was that time that your dad had to tell you what was going on when you so stupid? Is this Jared's wet dream story? It's not a wet dream story? No, No, it's well I think I might have talked about this

on the podcast before. I don't think you have. I think you need to tell us all about what it is. I was probably in seventh grade and like my like, you know, I came home from school and I had my own room, and you know, as boys do, and when they were in their own room, and just like their urge came over me. So I was like it was like four o'clock in the afternoon and just you know, it was maybe, uh this, I feel like you one time I know you woke up and your dad you

had to like change your sheet with your dad. Know what, where did I get this wrong? I don't know. I don't remember that. I remember I thought I the bed, but he didn't. I'm sure Dean can relate to that. I the first time I ever had a wet dream. I woke up and I was like, oh my god, I'm peeing the bed. And then I was like, wait a minute, that's not pe and then I was worried

because I didn't know what it was. And then well, that's what I thought we were talking about, was your first wet dream, because I definitely vividly still remember my first web dream. I'm sorry. I never meant for you to tell that story about your dad. I didn't even know that sheets your dad walked in on you. Hey, my dad walked in on me as well one time, um doing something pretty bad as well. And the funny thing about dad's is they just don't really talk to

you about it, Like my dad never confronted me about it. Uh. It Actually it boiled onto my mom being like a week later, being like, hey, were you doing something not in your room? And I was like, oh my gosh, absolutely not, even though obviously it was. Um, but it's funny that, Yeah, so my my wed dream story. I still fully vividly remember that. But yeah, there's like a lot of traumatic experiences that little boys go through. I feel like to enter the gateway until like, you know,

fully becoming a guy. I guess I don't know. I think it's probably obviously worse for girls, just because you guys bleed that would like what's happening you have a first conversation, that's if you enter. And first off, I never got the sextox, so like interpret that as you may, um, but I did get the period talk, and I pretended to my mom I guess that was ten or eleven when she talked to me about it. I pretended like

I didn't know what what she was saying. Like I was like it was news to me, but I had heard all about it on the playground before. I just didn't want her to know that we were talking about that stuff in elementary. Everything gets talked about the playground. Very curious about your wet dream, Dean, because the only reason I'm curious about is because you say, oh, I remember it so vividly, Like do you remember the dream vividly. Yeah, I'm not a stranger to telling my situation, So I'll

tell you all about my dream. Um. I was ice skating. I was probably around the age of eleven or twelve years old, and uh I was the only person on the ice. There was a goalie in the goal. Um, sure enough, it was a very attractive woman, and uh, I like skated up to and again, this is all like conjecture or like, you know, I don't know, like I ken't assumptions or like or estimations, because like I I think I remember it, but I could be just

like a game of telephone in my own brain. Um, I like skated up to score goal, and I scored the goal, and she was like super happy for me. And I was like, wait, that's weird. You're the goalie, Like why would you be happy for me? And then all of a sudden, she started taking her pads off, and I was like, oh my gosh, this isn't And again, mind you, I'm eleven years old at this point. The goalie innuendo too and oh yeah, right, I never even I never even thought about that until you just said that.

It's actually very funny. Um, and yeah, she started taking her paths off. And I remember just like being like, whoa, you're like fully naked from me right now? This is pretty cool. And uh it didn't take much. It took just like literally like a touch on the shoulder to make it happen. And uh that was probably the Yeah,

that was the experience that I had. Um, a touch on the shoulder, dude, Okay, but you should have seen this goal issue was like, oh, just like because like what's her name, the blonde one she like takes off the helmet and shakes her hair. Oh yeah, Julie the cat. Yeah yeah, Julia the cat, right yeah. And you know, I don't I don't know if I feel super comfortable sharing my like first wet dream story publicly. But I mean that's the truth, so I can't, like why would

I feel embarrassed about it. I'll stay too late on that one, bro. No. And it's funny because I still, like I don't think about it often, but like I remember it. It's like definitely ingrained in my brain as like it's a core memory, you know what I mean. So it's like I definitely remember it vividly. Um, I have I like maybe like when I was like fourteen or sixteen, like years later, I like wish I could

replicate it. Um, I think that's kind of like maybe like a normal guy thing to want, but like it never happened. So it is what it is. But you know, wait, Dean, I love how open you are about this. I'm smiling from ear to ear. I think it's so entertaining. Well, now you just tell us the age that you were when you when you lost it my virginity. Yeah. Oh, I was probably like fifteen or sixteen. Yeah, I so

Joanna was actually really funny. Is I remember my first wit dream vividly, but I don't remember losing my virginity vividly because I was very drunk. Um, do you remember who it was with? Oh? Of course it was my first girlfriend who I did it for a year and a half. That's really what matters most. Yeah, yeah, we did it for a long time. She was like she was like the first person I ever was in love with, blah blah blah blah blah. But uh, it was it was. It was messy because of the fact that she had

a boyfriend at the time. Uh. And so it's not a really good way to like open your eyes to the world of sex and relationships, you know, like, oh my god, I'm essentially the mistress in this relationship. Like, wow, what a great way to enter into a sexual enlivened life, you know what I mean? Yeah, you were the f boy in this scenario. Uh, which is totally cool because we actually have two gentlemen from f Boy Island who are coming up on the podcast one nice guy, one

f boy. K see who's the f boy in Fernando who's the nice guy? And they're coming up on the podcast right after this. Hey, welcome back to Help I Sucket Dating, Dean, myself, Ashley all here. Dean is back because WiFi is better right now, which is very nice, and we also have an email of course, Dean's favorite segment truly the only reason he's zooming in from Greece because he just wants to your emails. That's dem chanting.

By the way, after our conversation over the Help I Sucket Dating, we just heard like heavy breathing and after talking about what we talked about in the first segment, I just want to clarify that was Dean chanting Easton. Are you there in the world of zoom and if you are would you like to read this email? I am here in the world of zoom. Thank you for the invitation. I'd love to read the email. It's from anonymous. So thank you Nick Vayle for listening to the show.

I just started dating this guy and he checks off every single box. But the sex is bad? What do I do? Is this a deal breaker? Really detail oriented email here? I can't I can't imagine who wrote it. Uh, probably a producer, but we'll take it. Uh So the sex is bad? Is that a deal breaker? I don't think so. I'm gonna go, oh, yeah, I was gonna I was gonna say that same thing. I don't think it is. I think if everything else is good, that

would include like communication being good. All that it takes to make sex really good is a little bit of communication. Bottle of wine, right, A bottle of wine maybe like a butt plug and a little bit of a vibration and you're off to the racist uh and east And I know, I know you know what I'm talking about. UM So, yeah, I don't think it's really an issue whatsoever.

I think it's just a matter of like working. Like we've had this conversation in a different aspect in the past where it's like, uh, their spark is there, but then you had your first kiss and the kiss is bad. You can teach someone how to be a good kiss her, just like you can teach someone how to satisfy you sexually. I think that's really what it goes down to, its communication. Do you think it's easier to teach somebody how to

kiss or or how to you know, have sex. We were adults, we could say the word I was gonna say that bad kiss? I mean, yeah, why would I say that bad word? I hate that word? Why would you say that? I have no idea. I said that one time and a hate it. I thought she was going to throw up all over. I don't know. I can't stand that bad word in that. Um, what is it? I gotta know what it is? What is it? I think F boy island? What do you substitute F for with? Yeah? I don't like it as an action. I like it

as as a verb. I don't like it as a verb. I like it as a adjective. I respect that, and I am fully onboard with that mindset as well. Thank you. I think I think, um, when it comes to this stuff, it's weird because it's it's funny because we've kind of had this conversation alarity on this podcast episode. But I feel like a lot of people are scared to talk

about what they like, especially when it pertains sex. Right, Like I was scared to tell people what I like, and I was even more afraid to ask the other person what they like. So it's like I am still a little tentative when it comes to that arena um. And I think that what we need to start doing is just like being more open about the things that we like, the things we dislike, and asking the partner that we have what they like and what they dislike,

because at the end of day, that's how you learn. Like, you know, you you could guess, which is fine, I guess for an extent, but you're never going to learn as much as you will unless you actually ask them. Yeah, I think a lot of people are afraid to say what they like because it is taboo. A lot of things they like, specifically S and M. I mean, there's no uh, there's no secret as to why fifty Shades of Gray is as popular as it is. It's not love story as much as people I like to argue

that it is. It's not. That's the selling point of that franchise, is the S and M. Right or wrong? I don't agree. But so you're telling me that if fifty Shades are grad got rid of all that sex. No, No, it would still be as popular as FT sex, but it wouldn't be as popular. I don't know. I wouldn't care. I'm fine with it either way. I like the fact that she's like relatable and innocent and then this really hot guy who were successful comes and sweeps her off

her feet and that's so sweet. But I'll tell you the correct answer, which is no, it would not be as successful without Jared, and I have arguince we first became friends. Um, I'm inclined to take as she sat in this. I think if the S and M was sebstitutor for something even a little bit more gentle, I still think the series would be as popular as it is. People.

It's based on the Twilight series. It is a fan fiction of Twilight, and we all like Twilight without the SNP because of the vampire, because I love aspect, because there's been in love Jared. It's forbidden, Yeah, but the forbidden part of the love and fifty sets great is the SNM No, it's it's the fact that he's emotionally unavailable and she makes him emotionally available to her, and that he wants to strap her up. You read and watched all of them like, but that's besides the point.

It's a cult phenomenon because of those things, because of the vampires, because of no nobody really cares about them being vampires. I completely disagree with that. There's something like very like even I bet it. I bet it's the sucking of the throat that people love so much. Man, I hate Jared. I hate to say this, Um, and you know you're my co host for life, but I think Ashley has got you on this one. Thank you. Well, I'm out number two to one. Well anonymous, Nick, Yeah,

email us, Yeah, email us please. Actually that's a great idea. Actually that's what I'm so glad you said that. Everybody listening to this right now, please email us or d m U s on help us such a dating Instagram or you can email us at I suck a Dating at ihart media dot com. Tell us what you think.

Why is fifty Shades of Gray so popular and twilight to a certain extent, but more specifically fifty shades great because that's more of the topic we're trying to cover right now, which is do you think it's as popular as it is solely based on the love story, like Ashley is saying, and Dean solely but it's mainly there's

a difference. I think it's mainly the S and M. Okay, Well, it's it's definitely not but but but those two are like obviously it's also of course it's the love story and on the on the Instagram, yeah, we will, but I say that it's like S and M compared love story, that's very close. Yeah, but it's more. I'm not saying it's overly, but I definitely think that it's more because of the it's it's the taboo of it. It's it's like this super hot guy that is emotionally unavailable and

like is freaky as hell. I think girls like we're gonna say, it's like how many times like you hear like when I'm watching a show or like girls love like being pushed against the wall and it's like that ship Like I would constitute that as some sort of

S and M. Okay. Here's the other thing. That made fifty Shades very popular, and it was because it normalized being able to read softcore porn in front of people that would yeah yeah, but no, but it's just it's because it was like, oh, yeah, no, shame, I like porn. It's kind of it's kind of like that. Yeah, that's why. It's more about the sex. Yeah, but it's like in romance novels, do you read it for It's like like

the combination of it all. No. And it's also because there's sex and then there's S and M. And I don't think it matters whether it was S and M or just regular sex, because I think it would have been totally I think it's been just as popular if he wasn't there was no Redroom of Pain. I agree. I think Ashley has kind of nailed on the head in my opinion. Well, I'm outnumbered once again. Here we go, okay, but anyway, Yeah, but let us know, let's very fascinating conversations. Yeah,

I'm gonna go ahead and sign us off here. I know I wasn't here for a little bit of the interview with Casey and some of the interview with um Fernando, but I would like to say thank you to both of them, Casey and Fernando. Fernando, I swear if we see you on F Boy Island season two as the f boy, not the f boy, but the nice guy dating you know, potential f girls or nice girls, I would be very, very happy. So hopefully that happens. Casey, Uh, I don't know if I'm as excited about that for you,

but who knows. Um, Ashley, thank you for stepping in for me for majority of the episode. I apologize for my WiFi connection. Don't. Well, you're in Greece. You know it's understandable. Well, I know, but I still feel like I should have this figured out. I thought for sure that the WiFi would be good enough. Um obviously learn that it wasn't, but we made it work for the most part. I'm I'm happy being part of eighty percent of the podcast and only give me eighty percent of

the paycheck at the end of the day. That's all I need, Um, or give me zero percent. I actually don't even need a paycheck. I just like, I like just hanging out with you guys. Yeah, big thank you to Easton, Riley, Hannah, and everyone else that works on our podcast. Every week. But most of all, thank you to you the listener, for listening to this podcast. Without you, we wouldn't be here, so uh, make sure you tune in next week or maybe we'll suck just a little

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