Dream Jobs with Alex Bordyukov

have very great We have a great episode today. We have a very special guests who's actually in studio with me, so I'm not alone. Uh. Orlando Saoria is here, Orlando. How are you doing now? Orlando? You have a new show coming out on h G t V, which I'm very jealous about because HDTV is my favorite channel. I watched it all the time with my fiance Ashley. Uh So, tell us about the show. It's great. Hi, thank you for having me. First of all. Secondly, my show is

called un Bouse My House. Every week we take somebody who's been recently dumped and we give them a really amazing homemakeover to help them cheer up and to help them heal. That's so. I love the name. By the way, un spouse your house. It rhymes you know, so it works out perfectly totally, and it like says what the show is all about, which is basically just getting your ex out of your house. Um. And so where did you come up with the concept of the show? This

all start? Because it's it's true, you know, anytime you go through a breakup, I think a lot of people want to change a lot of things in their life. And one thing to do that is to change the interior of your house so you're not reminded. It's like almost a fresh start. Yeah. So I actually got dumped and I sorry to hear that. Um. And that's where the genesis of the show began. So a few years ago, I was living with my ex boyfriend in a home

that we had renovated together. I'm a designer, so I did all the design and then he dumped me and I moved on, and the only thing that kind of got me through that period in my life was like redecorating my new place. So I kind of found the It sounds so cheesy to say, but like the healing power of interior design through doing that and it was a super depressing part of my life. But I wanted to figure out how I could take that experience and sort of pay it forward to other people because the

interior design part actually did help me so much. So that's where the original idea came from. And then um, we created a pilot and HDTV was immediately on board, and it's just sort of gone really fast. We created our pilot in September of last year, so the airing this Thursday is kind of nuts. Yeah, that never happened so quickly. I feel like I hear pilots, you know, Oh, we did a pilot about a year and a half ago,

and now it's about to get picked up. So that the fact that you had a pilot only a few months ago and now your season one is airing this Thursday is pretty incredible and fast. Yeah, it's insane. It's really exciting. So and the show itself is so fun to watch. It's just like a super feel good, sweet show where I'm just doing nice things for people. It feels really good to do it, and it's also just

like satisfying to watch. It's like sweet, it's funny. The homeowners themselves are like so generous with telling us their stories and being open and vulnerable about it. So I'm just, you know, feeling a lot of gratitude about it. So it's really exciting and it's also just like super entertaining to watch. It's not like a second to get bored.

It's a really fun show. Oh well, I love redecorating shows like my favorite show, well, my fiance's favorite shows Property Brothers, and then she also loves loves loves love it or list it doesn't like her two favorite. I'm a big House Hunters guy an HDTV. I'm all over it. So I'm very excited for this no show to watch it. And so when you were were you in interior decorated before the breakup? Okay, so you've been doing it for like ten years? Okay, gotcha, So you're very experienced within

this field. Yeah, exactly what you're doing. And then did you get into hosting just kind of after the breakup and falling into it because you also wrote a book last year? Correct? Yeah, So I've actually like the way that I got started in interior design was that I was cast to play an assistant on an HDTV show about ten years ago. And then after that I started doing interior design. Before that, I was doing production design and stat design. Like I was basically like doing design,

but in a totally different capacity. So I've had those skills, and I've also always been designing spaces. So it's just kind of like a career that chose me. I didn't really choose it. It just kept popping into my purview and finally I was like, oh, I guess this is what I'm supposed to do because I keep getting jobs to do it. Um, So this show is just like a really fun opportunity to combine my like content creation and my writing skills into you know, showing people how

do we design their homes as well? And like you said, you're helping people get through a breakup, And so how does reimagining your interior decoration really helps someone get through a breakup? How does this kind of work? And and and through filming and through working with other couples and and and people going through breakups? What have you seen

that specifically helps other people get through this breakup? Yeah? Well, I mean so basically like Unspoused, my House is a show about starting over using interior design as the conduit for that. And I think people don't understand how important their surroundings are to their emotional states, especially going through a breakup. So there's so many examples of this. First of all, if you have furniture leftover from your ex that reminds you of them every single day, that's a

way that it's harder for you to heal. Secondly, a lot of our clients and we're a renovation show, so like there were people who had like crazy things that their excess had chosen. Like this one guy had like a crazy eighties like French country kitchen and he had actually been divorced for like eight years, and he's like, I've hated this kitchen for eight years. French country kitchen. Oh, just like it had like foe distressing on the cabinets

and how like little like roosters in it. Just had all these like details that were like not this dude style. So he'd been kind of like living with the ghosts of his ex wife. So there's things like that where it's like this styles of the couples were maybe different, and they compromise because they were in a relationship. I think that's a healthy thing for everybody to do. Um. But then there's also things where you know, certain people in relationships don't get to do things that they want

to do design wise because their partner doesn't like it. Yeah, it's everybody. You're not alone. So like one hundred percent of clients that I've worked with have had at least a little bit of conflict with their partner, And I think that's healthy and normal and you should compromise. But the fun thing about going through a breakup, if you can find one silver lining, it's that you get to

do whatever you want and it's all about you. You don't have to worry about anybody else's style or their needs. So it's kind of like just a great silver lining to a horrible part of your life. Eastern Does Allison get the final say on a lot of the interior decorating or is it more of a dual effort. Yeah, she she gets the final say. We've made a lot of compromises, though, you know you can tell from looking at me. I had a lot of superhero stuff open

in my studio. Part that did that. Now there's there's a Back to the Future poster up in our house, and everything else is very classy. Uh. I was curious how often do you come in and someone is just totally blank slate, like the their acts like took everything, like they have nothing, because I'm picturing like a guy in an empty apartment, just like what do I you know we did have like so we have male and

female homeowners on the show. That was much more likely to happen with the guys than it was for the women. Um and for me, obviously that's way more fun because I just get to be like, all right, I'm doing whatever I want. I'm putting all the furniture that I

like into your place. When you have to incorporate pre existing furniture, that's obviously a little bit more challenging, but um, you know, that's one of the reasons that I liked the idea for the show is that, like every time somebody goes through a breakup, something happens logistically, and even if you're like fine emotionally, it's a pain in the ask figuring out like always separated half our furniture and I don't have furniture, or like, um, I have absolutely

nothing like you were talking about, or are I'm stuck with all of these like ugly ass things that my ex shows that I hate so there's constantly, um these just very practical things that come about during a breakup that are annoying that also can be like a terrible emotional drag. So there's a lot of different levels of the show in terms of like, hey, it's practical, but be there's a huge emotional part of it as well.

And so you talk about practicality because I think the biggest thing for a lot of our listeners right now is that if they are going through a breakup, they would love to change the interior decorating of their house. But obviously that comes with the price. So how do you guys deal with that on the show? Is it kind of you picked the couples and they're lucky enough that the show will pay for it, or kind of how does that happen so they're actually paying for their

own renovation. We put a little bit into it, but um, we do incredible, really high end makeovers. Or because it's TV, we have like magical ideality for a much smaller budget. Yeah, it's it's real. TV magic some how is real because things that should take like six months and cost a hundred thousand dollars take like three weeks and cost well, I'm sure brands are also very happy that they're going to be featured on hd TV. Yeah, we're actually not allowed to do that yet. Yeah that added a little

bit of a challenge. But um, it's uh do they give you a budget like this is what our budget is for remodeling or so. But I always tell people like, there's so many things. My goal with my whole career, which is why I've gone after TV and blogging and Instagram, is to inspire as many people as possible rather than like work with only like super wealthy people. And there's so many things you can do post breakup to refresh your space, starting with buying like a gallon of paint

and just painting a room. So I really believe that everybody at all different income levels deserves to have a beautiful space and just you know, you have to be inventive. I was like a starving artist for all of my twenties and I always had a beautiful place because I was always creative. So if you take the time and you take the energy to actually do it yourself, I think that you can create a beautiful space for yourself,

regardless of how much money you have. No, I agree, I think it's cathartic too to really kind of be creative and put your own touch on your own house, because you can kind of get lost in the mundane nous of life, right where like day goes day by day by day goes by and it's always the same room, the same color, nothing ever changes, and before you know it, fifteen years of your life has gone by without you

changing a thing. So I think you're right where it can be refreshing and reinvigorating and like just even like you said, paint the room, you know, Um, yeah, I mean. And something that I'm trying to drill into all of my clients on unspoused my house is taking care of your space and creating a beautiful space for you to live is a way of taking care of yourself, a way of taking care of people for like who enter

your home. It's just it's a way of telling yourself that you're important enough to do this for And it also just changes the way your outlook is because when you're looking around and things are beautiful, you feel so much better about your life. Oh yeah, absolutely. Um. I actually have eastern to harp on your point about like reducing the star Wars and superhero posters. I have a Superman poster, but it's a Christopher Reeve one from the one where he's flying into the sky. But it's black

and white. So Ashley has allowed me to put it in our room because it's a black and white kind of artistic look at Superman where it's not very colorful. The only thing is I have to put it in a white frame. That's my only the only thing. Do you think that's bad? No? I think it's great. Yeah, But that's like, that's that's like the compromise right there. I can have a Superman poster up, but it has to be black and white and a white frame. Cool

with that, I can see that being cool. It's like, look, you know, the least sort of conflict that I've ever heard of in terms of a couple of fighting. To be fair. I moved in with my fiance last year and she lives with her. She lived with her sister who still lives with us, and it was decorated as a women's apartment, so I just moved into it. Like there's there's one room that is called the glam room. It is dedicated to that's your favorite room, obviously, Well,

my expects you spend all your time. I swear to guide. It actually is where I spend most of my time because it's we I was allowed to have my Like I put a TV in there on top of the dresser with my Xbox, so I go in there and play video games sometimes as I'm surrounded by all these very sparkly glam beauty products, which is fantastic though it's not it's it's somewhat refreshing and nice, you know, into

that position. Yeah, it's cool. We're super excited Orlando for your for your new show coming out and it comes out this Thursday. H G t V. What time Thursday June six on h G t V and the h G t V app. That's perfect. Do you guys follow up with any of the couples, because I find it so interesting to see if if after they are done redecorated in their house, if it truly helps them feel better about everything they're going through. I've been texting with them, yes,

and it does. Like it's it's hard to condense into the amount of time that we have each week, like what's really going on with these people? But it's a journey for them, and I think it's so wonderful for them to be able to have somebody else come into their life and like kind of be like, all right, I'm doing this for you. We're going to create a new space for you to start over, because it kind of creates a punctuation point, like it's like this is where the old life stopped and this is where the

new life begins. And they can see it in their house and it sounds kind of superficial, but it's not. It's just literally creating a new space for them to start over, and they feel it like it's I like just watch the edits of one of the episodes and started crying like last week because I'm like, well, like she really does you know? They changed, and you see

them change over the course of these few weeks. People being told that they deserve a beautiful space helps them make helps make them feel like worthy in other ways, and it's like it's such a terrible time in your life when you're like your self esteem is plummeting and like there's so many other things going on with you that to just have somebody like that you've just met coming and be like listen, I'm giving this to you.

This is what you deserve and like this is going to help you move on, is like just a great way of helping them just heal, Yeah, I agree. I think a lot of advice uh that people give for someone going through a breakup is to do something new, to do something fresh, um, you know, take a class, or or go to go to a different gym, or you know, go to someplace you've always wanted to go

for yourself. Um. And so I think a part of that is, like you said, redecorating your house to make sure that you're not coming back into a house that reminds you of your ex. You know that you guys, Oh we bought that table together. We used to sit on that couch together. You know, this was our TV, so on and so forth. Whatever it may be. Even though it's material objects for all of us, I think some material objects have uh you know, some emotional significance

behind them, uh. And so to kind of like try to get those out of your sight uh and and and into a new environment, specifically when you're coming home, because that's where you are every day of your life. Almost. Um. I think it's very important and something that's underrated, and it's pretty cool that your show is bringing that out to the forefront, so I'm excited to see it. So on Spouse your House hosted by Orlando Storia Thursdays on h G TV. Check it out, guys. I'm very excited

my favorite channel, so please watch my show. Orlando, thank you so much for coming in. We really appreciate it. Bud, thanks a lot. Well, you have another special guest in studio who just arrived a little later than expected, but uh, our co host Dean Unglerd is here. Thank you guys for having me today. It's an honor to be here. I'm a big, big fan of the podcast. Mark and Easton, you guys are both incredible hosts of this podcast. Um and what was your name again? Uh? Jared? Oh yeah, yeah, No,

what's Ben Higgins? Nice to me if you wish, I do wish. Actually, so I said that you had van trouble, but correct me, you had motorcycle cycle trouble. I'm I'm putting my motorcycle into storage this week for my van expedition, and there's just been an issue with the negative terminal on my battery. The bolt always and the connection gets lost from the battery to my motor while while I'm driving. And today it happened again on the Inner State and

I pulled over. I looked at it, I diagnosed the problem, figured out the boat was missing entirely. And so what I did was, fortunately I had some dental floss in my backpack, and I do have dental floss in your I have dental floss in me everywhere. It's super important for teeth. Dental. Hi, how many times do you flush your teeth? Twice a day? Twice a day? You flush your teeth every day. At least you're a better man than meat. And you put your thumbs up. What do

you a big flosser over there? Now, I'm just proud. Not a lot of people floss thank you. Yeah, my dentist is very happy about it. For someone that doesn't wear deodoran. And I put deodor in on this morning to actually I bought it. I bought a fresh stick with the odor because I'm like, oh, if I'm showering half as much as I used to, I probably should be wearing deodoran. Nobody wants stinky. So I showered and used deodor in today. Do you put the finding healthy

deodorant like special deodor and just grab whatever. I grabbed the act stick today or the last time. I don't think that's really the healthiest. Everything else that was all organic soaps from Thrive Market, which I absolutely love, shameless plug. But now the dental floss saved my life because what I did was I like, I uh forward and backed it multiple times to create some strength and give it

some more durability. And I was able to tie and connect the negative terminal to the negative prong on the battery. And so now I'm just riding out of my motorcycle that's basically held together by I felt pretty mug ivory. That's I and I feel. So you're telling me your motorcycle is being held together by dental floss right now. That's what I'm telling you. And you wrote on it. I wrote on your insane. I like I was doing

absolutely insane. There's no way in hell one. I'm not a big motorcycle guy, but too if somebody said, hey, would you want to ride this motorcycle that is literally being held together by dental floss, You're out of your mind. Shout out to Oral b for making some sturdy as floss. It's on my Instagram story right now, I've been working.

I think I was here on time. That's great. Why I purposefully wanted to document my issues so that way, like when you guys initially, like inevitably believe up that with me. Yeah, exactly. You can see, Oh, an hour ago, Dean was on the side of the road dental flossing his battery back together. And honestly, that's not even the point. Doesn't even that that is the second most important thing.

The most important thing for you documenting your floss motorcycle is the fact that you are keeping your motorcycle together with floss. Yeah, that's the most important thing. That's pretty cool. I live in a van and I'm keeping my motorcycle held together with dental flaws. And you you have a stash now just the stash, no more. What do you think about the staff? I kind of dig it. Yeah, I'm digging it. Um. Yeah. I was looking at myself in the mirror this morning before I jumped in the shower,

and I just I just can't grow facial hair. I know you have a similar issue, but you can grow a lot more facial hair than I can grow, Okay, And I was looking at myself and it was just all scraggly on my chin, and I didn't want to fully remove my facial hair, and but I wanted to clean myself up a little bit, and so that and I said on the mustache, So if you head south somewhere sometime soon, are you gonna keep stash? The stash is gonna stay in my face for the very foreseeable future,

regardless of location. It's a very traditional mustache, very traditional Tom Selleck kind of mustache. Yeah, I appreciate that. It wasn't a compliment. I'll be honest, I don't know who Tom Selleck is, but anything thing that you say about me, Mark, I'm taking you as a compliment. Just I'm trying to establish it's not there's no food two element to it. It's not curling up at the end. It's just a straight traditional muscle. So here's the thing. I could have

gone all the way down to the jawline. I could. I did keep the flavor saver for a little bits, but I was looking at it, I was like, wow, that looks That's what I normally do is I keep the flavor saver. But this time I was like, you know, I'm just gonna go straight mustache. Why is it called a flavor saver because food gets stuck in there and you can lick it off later. I've always called it a stinger, a little little soul patch. I've never heard

it called a stinger before. I I have not called it anything in reference to like it's like the mustaches, like the head of the manta ray and then the bottom. Okay, I could see that the way. You know, Tom, you're telling me I look like that good looking dude. Here, come on, stop it now. You know it's funny. My wife and I were talking about you that you're a classically handsome guy. So are you thank you? What were

you saying about me? That's weird. There is a phenomenon of good looking guys doing what they can to become less attractive. Yeah. Interesting, You want to know what it is, and I've I've thought about this. I'd like to hear. It's it's beyond physical attraction because the van thing and all that stuff. I'm trying to remove people's inherent biases

when they meet me. Interesting. I want to I want to be able to introduce myself to someone and then, you know, it sucks to say, but as a tall white man, people have these inherent general ideas of who you're going to be, and I'm just sick of things being so easy for me because of that. You know, So you grew ustache and it's I'm growing my hair out.

I want people to like me for me, not because of how I look or how anything else other than the fact that I just am hopefully a decent enough guy for you to get along with me, you know what I mean. And I know it's it sounds weird because it sounds weird because as a white guy, were afforded so many privileges in life, and who would ever want to strip themselves up those privileges. But it's true. It's like I just don't I don't want to be

liked for how I look. I want to be liked for what's inside of me and what I say and how I think and all those other things. Yeah, but I don't think changing your appearance is gonna It's certainly people look at all this and giving me for the rightfully. So you've been giving me a lot of stuff for the van, for the hair, for the facial hair, and again justified, it's all justified. I'm your friend, if I'm

not the one busting your balls. Who will exactly. But you're busting my balls because you're my friend, and I appreciate that. But all of the things that you're busting my balls about are things that people are then noticing

when they meet me for the first time. You're busting my balls because you're you're giving me honestly, sarcastically, but then that's also what other people are observing as well, you know what I mean, Which is great, that's exactly what I want, so you But then at the same time, you're giving off a perception that you want to put

out into the world. What do you mean, Like, you want to give out this perception that, Hey, I'm the guy who's like growing a mustache, growing out my hair, doesn't care showers, and I live in a van is which isn't a bad thing. I'm not saying it is, but it just means that you are trying to put

a perception out there. I mean, where like you could be putting out the perception not saying one is better than the other, but of like the good looking, traditional successful Yeah, I mean you can say that about anything. You're trying to do anything, and every whatever you're doing, you're trying to do that thing exactly. You're always trying to put a perception out there. So so yes, the the what I'm trying to do is, as Mark so eloquently put it, I'm trying to make myself as unappealing

as I possibly can. So that way, when someone is enamored by me, I know that it's because of what's inside of me that they're enamored by, not what I represent on the outside. See, I think the opposite might be happening because you are standing out so much by making these decisions that no one else is going to make. By you know, uh, changing up your physical appearance, or living in a van or a thing, not showering even

though you shower, that's not a thing. But like these things that you're trying to bring yourself down with might actually be bringing you up because you're so different that women are or men are attracted to that the semi sense, it sounds like a story I've heard before called Beauty and the Beast, except you put the curse on himself. I remember how this came up. Now, We watched Survive for my wife and I. It was one of our things and it has been since we've met two years ago,

and uh so years ago dating yourself right now? Yes, but this guy on there was an inventive Joe, gorgeous looking guy. So he grows this giant mane of hair, has his weird handlebar mustache and like a pointy beard under it, like a villain in a silent movie. And it's like, what is the deal? I said, I think this is the thing good looking guys who try to

like ugly themselves up or something I mentioned Dean. I said to her, I got this guy this podcast with gorgeous guy doesn't shower, doesn't wash his hands, lives in a van like it's all this stuff. So the irony of this whole thing is that as I agree with you completely on white privilege and white male privilege, but as a white male who was afforded a certain number of privileges, I'd give a testicle to look like you

look you want to like mess it all up. That's the irony of it is that everyone would like to be better looking, except for the truly good looking who want to mess themselves up. That's weird. I can see your points, Um, I had something that I had a point that I wanted to make but it escapes me now.

I don't know why I let it get away from me. Um. This way, especially too, is if someone ends up being interested in me, like I kind of alluded to earlier, if someone's interested in me now at my quote unquote worst, which I don't think this is my word. I honestly think this is my my best. It's not much you can do. I mean, the mustache is working. I love everything that I've been doing, and then over the past month or two has made me the happiest person I've

ever been in my entire life. And I think that makes me my best but at my quote unquote shallow level worst. If someone can accept me for that and appreciate me for that, and that's great because I'm eventually I'm going to revert back to being a functioning member of society with a job and a regular, regularly kept

face and a good haircut and all these things. Uh. And so if you're gonna love me for the fact that I can be this unkempt, idiotic vagabond, then I think that that will mean that for you know, future future moving forward, It'll it'll all be good. I don't know. That's my take on it. It's fascinating to me. Yeah, it's fascinating me. And yes, I like to I like to put myself. Um, I like to be playing from behind, you know. I like to make things challenging. Everyone loves

an underdog, everyone loves a good comeback story. I like to be playing from behind. And it's just you know, it's on. I'm surprised that you see yourself having a normal life someday. I was like, the same thing. It used to say that you're ever going to go back and get a nine to five or who's to say, hopefully I don't have to your forties. You see yourself going to work every day, clean shaven, well groom maybe wearing a tie. If I don't have to, I definitely won't.

But here, But I mean, you guys both love your jobs. Obviously, this is your This is your nine to five, right, Yeah, it's those hours don't line up, but yeah, right, but this is right, this is your Monday through Friday, Like, this is what you do to two. And you guys really do enjoy what you do. I do. I know for a fact that it's just because me and Jared are here once a week and everything else is just kind of extra, you know, auxiliary. You're welcome. Um, sorry

Seacrest if you're listening to this, Um, he's not. And that's great. I think, I think that it's great that your interests can align with your work, right. Yes, I I wanted to be in a radio since I was about five years and that's faculous. I haven't really found that yet, and I would hope by the time in Forday, I will have found that. Uh, and by that point I can assimilate more appropriately into the society that we're living at the time. You know, I don't know. Do

you think you'll ever find that? I hope I find. Well. I think you definitely need to go after the things that you want in this world, like the things that you love. Right. You can always fail in life, right, And so I was actually uh listening to certain things like this on the way here where the worst thing in life, I feel like is when you compromise and then you fail at what you compromised for. I think that's the worst, right. Everybody is okay with failing when

you're going after the thing that you love. So what I'm saying is I love a lot of things in this world, right, So I could find myself doing a lot of different things within this world that I love that I go after, but it's not like one one thing. Does that make sense? Like? So for you, I don't know if you're you're saying like, I'm trying to find this one thing that I love and hopefully I can figure it out and then I'll do that for the rest of my life. I'm not sure if it's one thing,

you know, I don't know. What would you do, Jared? If you could do any job in the world, what would it be? Uh, any job in the world. I would be a film director. That would be my my job. The creativity of it and to be able to create a film from scratch and see it all come together is a pretty cool aspect. Okay, Well, why don't you start creating films? I've and in the works of it, you know, writing scripts and just filming stuff and kind of going with the flow. Have you done any classes

or any schooling in that regard. No. I was a theater major in college for a little while, but it was specifically acting. And then I've actually never taken in a film course, but I have tons of friends within the film industry. And then I've just been a film uh connoisseur for quite some time that I've I've kind of taught myself to a certain level. Now granted i've i've I've I've done like small movies, but it's all been acting and it was mostly during college. And then

I just did this small film with a buddy of mine. Um, oh god, somebody walked in that we'll get to. But I just did a small film with a buddy of mine who's a director out here, and uh, it was super fun actually did it with me. You ay should definitely check it out when it comes out. It's when is it coming out? It's called out It's called afterburn As it comes out in like July. I think he's

releasing it. But it's literally like a six minute short where I play a undercover cop who's investigating Ashley because she's accused of killing her ex husband. And it's like it's it's called after Burners and it's really fun. So my buddy who I went to college with, that's how it all. I met him when I was working at Hollywood Video back in and he always wanted to be a director. He was film school. He did uh student films in college and we were together. He's like, dude,

let's do movies together. And so we did a couple of short films and then he moved out here and I stayed in Rhode Island, and then I ended up being on the Bachelor and then moved out here and and uh, and then we kind of rekindled and then he was like doing him running this film, like you should be in it, and I was like, yeah, man, that'd be so much fun. And then he asked if actually wanted to be in it too, and was like, yeah, that would be super fun. So so it's cool anyway.

I Uh. There was a guy who has friends with a couple of years ago who on Instagram his bio said, if you want a normal life, get a normal job up And that is always kind of stuck with me because to that point, and to what we were talking about earlier is I don't want a normal life, so why would I go and get a normal job again. I think the reason I had a normal job before

was at a necessity. And it's funny is I've actually gotten job offers to go back to recruiting in the past couple of months, six figure salaries, a great opportunity, great company, like great opportunities, and I've said no to both. There's two of them. I said not to both of them. Um, because I was thinking about it too. It was like, let's say everything hits the fan. Obviously, I know I can't ride this this bachelor train for the rest of

my life. And so let's say in five years when all this is kind of fizzled out, I would have no issue in my opinion, going back to like Aspen and working at like a hotel or like as a lift operator or something that I would would still be able to do the things that I find interesting and I have done before, and I see people that I admire still doing to this day. Um. I heard the women flock like the salmon of Caprona. That's right. The beer flows like line out there. You don't have a

dream job. If you could do any in the world, that's a challenging question, travel blogger or something like that. I think that if I had a dream job, I would be focusing single mindedly on on how I could get that job. And I don't have that. I don't have that, so I'm not I don't have anything to necessarily focus on. Um. I'm focusing on doing the things that I find interesting, like skydiving or out climbing, living in the van, traveling and hiking and all this stuff.

But I don't know exactly how or what I can do long term. Otherwise, like I said, I would be working tirelessly hopefully to to get that to happen. But until that happens. Um Anyways, while we were talking here as his years off, one of my really really really good friends and walked into studio. Whoa was that English? One of my really good friends walked into studio? And

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asked to come. I'll say, hey, can I come see you? And that's the only way I can catch you these days. Mind my schedule with you. Are you really gonna make me go to my phone and on recording a podcast tomorrow? I would love for you to calm. I missed you so much. I'm excited to see almost That's exactly what I said. Okay, So for everyone else has invited me to your podcast, but you even Jared somehow like I

just met him and invited you more than Dean has. Right, I understand why the NUSSA wouldn't want to invite me, you know, after we dated for like six months and broke up. That's just steve me passionate. Well, yeah. I mean the sex was great, the rest of it was terrible. So for the listeners out there that I don't know Alex, you should because he's been on the podcast before. He was on my season in the Bachelorette. And I say my season because it was my season. It really was,

so I wish I could argue with that. He was most recently on Bachelor in Paradise Australia, UM, which just finished airing. Yeah, a couple of months, and uh, I mean, can you just tell us about that a little bit. So both of you, Jared and Alex, had both been on Back to Australia. So I was on Paradise the year before you. Yeah, yeah, I've heard about. You know, obviously I heard from the people there because if people came back and they're like, oh, yeah, we know Jared,

and I know how Laura went back. She came back for like the last two days or something like that. She got screwed, you know, she came in like literally

right before we got at home. That blows. Florence was there, Yeah, she was there, and then who else Mac maybe you know him, but he was there last Oh no, but I'm friends with his buddy Jake, Okay, yeah, so you know, I mean obviously they call and they you know, they asked you, hey, you want to come out with Fiji and they pay well, and none of it follows you back home. So I'm like, yeah, let's go. None of it follows you back home, right, I didn't have a

girl for nothing. I was like, yeah, And I was supposed to only go for like a week, maybe because I didn't expect to last there. I don't think they expect me to last. And then I was actually I told me, hey, you just fly me out to Australia after I'll visit for a couple of weeks and then go home. But I ended up staying the whole time, from beginning to end. Well, so I walk us through

it because I'm pretty well versed to the story. I'll admit I didn't watch, but I got through your first hand accounts, which I didn't need to because it was better than watching anyway, of course, because you get the real story and it's like getting an audio book of the behind the scenes and I gotta listen to your voice. So, uh, you went to Bachelor Paradise, Australia. You you hit it off with a girl who I thought was the cutest, one of the cutest girls in Bachelor franchise. What was

her name, Brooke, Brooke. She was adorable, Yeah, she was. I mean, she was a great girl. I mean, but she got herself involved in like a love square. I wouldn't say she got herself involved in the love square. There was a lot of pressure on her, so obviously, so I went in. I didn't know anyone. I didn't

do any research something. I'm like, I'm gonna show up to see what happens, right, so I know only to me she was there Dan, like she was their popular girl, like Dan after the Bachelorrette not Paradise, Yeah right, right right, So like the whole Australia, she's an Australia's sweetheart, and and she was just someone that I had translating like kicked it off and just we're hanging out and we spent i mean pretty much the whole time together until

she left. They didn't didn't show any of it because they really wanted to play out that same sex relationship she had. And you hear everyone in the interviews like hey, Alex and just spending all this time together. She didn't have time for anyone else who didn't show any of it. They literally didn't even show kiss which they're like, oh, they didn't even kiss. I'm like, and I'm not someone

want to like kissing Tom. But I'm like, all right, we're really gonna play it down that much because they did it to a few people at something up a couple of other people actually at Connections. They didn't even show it. They just had a pretty strict narrative that they were like, we're sticking to this and uh, online, okay,

I tried watching my season. I couldn't like find any link and then it said it wasn't being you could do it through a proxy, which is kind of annoying because they have to do it all the time in Australia because you get GEO blocked, so they know how to do it. We spoil, we get spoiled. In the US, we can pretty much get access to whatever we want. So everyone's like, what's the VPN? When I was in China, I had to use the VPN that you have even just Instagram and Google, which is kind of a bummer.

But um, okay, So so you and Brooke, so yeah, we hit it off. You know, she's there for two rolls ceremonies. I gave her the rolls the first ceremony, she gives me hers the second one, and then before the third one, they actually asked her to leave. What do you mean they asked her to leave? They gave her an ultimatum and this is like, this is my paradise exclusive. I actually didn't do any interviews about this.

No one cares and uh yeah. They basically told her, hey, you either follow up on one of these more controversial relationships you have or go home because Alex is born, which is true. You know, I'm terrible TV. I'm just kind of sensibility is not very market about interesting. You're right, and that's why we hang out. Very interesting hearing that because I felt like in Australia, at least my season,

I feel like the producers were really hands off. They were as far as like so in US, you become friends with your producers and you hang out with them, they try and you know, break you basically from the inside. These guys just kind of come in and more on the outskirts and they say, we'd like to see that, but they will have like little chat with you, like in private and say what they want to see from me. They kept wanting me to like talk to more girls.

They're like, oh, give us like college, Alex. I'm like college, Alex had a girlfriend. He talked to even less girls, and he was way more awkward. Okay, but what you were saying that Brooke got an offer or what were you saying that happened. Yeah, they basically told her, Hey, yeah, the ultimatum basically said, if you want to stay, you can date Alex, so you can leave. Don't you think it would have been a more beautiful love story had you been like, you know what, I'm going to date

him regardless. Yeah. Absolutely, But obviously she didn't tell me either version of these, you know, so you know, as far as I knew, she came in she said goodbye, and I mean we had like a long like pony goodbye. They just again played up like, you know, the more dramatic one was on there Alex. Yeah. Well, it also was convenient that both guy and the girl she was dating where Alex. So on her exit, they flipped our interviews. What do you mean? So she was like, I'm a

girl's name was Alex too. Well I know that, but like, what do you mean? They flipped the interview. So when she was talking about oh, you know, I really felt a strong connection with Alex, She's talking about me, and then there was no spark with Alex. She's talking about the girl, and they flipped it and that. How do

you know that because I talked to her exact same thing. Okay, so then Brooks gone and then you and you stay obviously, so what happens and then the thing is like the whole time almost like hey, if you leave, I'm out, you know, because I haven't they give you a guarantee as far as you know you pay. I don't. I'm not making any more here, so I can leave. And then, um, it was really late when she told me that, I just didn't pack, so like honestly that night I was like,

you know, it's like midnight. Yeah, I don't want to pack all my stuff. So I'm just gonna figure it out tomorrow. And the next day it was the rose ceremony. So if I'm leaving, it was a guy's power. I'm taking another person with me. I'm like, all right, well I'll just stay, give my rose out and then and then leave. After That's what I did. I I I left and I took someone see, well, what happened was I had the opportunity to leave at the Rows ceremony, not hand out a rose. And at this point it

was kind of sil review. I was there for like two weeks and I wasn't dating anybody, and I was like, I just want to go home, and so they're like, you don't have to hand out your rose, and I was like, that's exactly you know, I'm just not gonna do it and it'll be fine. It was it was literally the week before like the final couples, and so I was like, they're all like, everybody wants to stay for an extra week, but it's literally supposed to only be couples only. So I'm gonna leave and then they'll

be fine too. Yeah, it was later in the game. I get it, Like mine was. We were with two three weeks and so we still we won't even have were like halfway points. I was that would be, you know, rude of me to do that. So and then I talked to the producers, like to the executive producers, and she said, hey, I hear you might be leaving at the rowth ceremony, and uh, you know how you feel, and I'm like, yeah, I have nothing else left here

to do. I mean, I know everyone here for me to chase an the other girl, they would know they were my second option and they wouldn't be fair. Um. But she was like, and then I go, what you know, I can need to leave tonight or I can stay till next bro ceremony. Just get eliminated there. If you won't be too bla obviously, I can pay me more. She's like, no, we'll we'll pay you, just stick around do nothing. I'm like, all right, I mean sold, like I already got the time off work anyway, right, I

mean uh so. And then that's when Caroline came in a couple of days later. And this is Caroline from the US Bachelor, Caroline Money from You, who's notoriously known for her uh what's it called? What's the reunione? Oh my god? Where she was like calling out Ari. She had that famous line of like I know what you did see. I didn't know much about her. We actually spoke a little bit before. It was like some accuse DM. She she was actually asking me set her up with Peter.

So was like, she's not Internet every every I get that way too often. And you you're Peter every single time. Oh, Alex is so cute. Set me up with them. Peter is the hardest man in the world. Set me up with them. No to be there, Peter is the hottest man in the world. I know, I know, I get it, and so I can never hang out with the three

with the two of you, three of us. So we were so, yeah, she shows up, and at first we literally hate each other because like two Americans, like, I'm not trying to take this home, like this is the best part of this was like that was not gonna follow me back, and uh, we have some yeahs, preconceived notions about each other, and it just happened to be that she So she took one of my best friends there on the date, and I was like, they're just

trying to pull him into more drama. So I'm gonna do my protecting, my vigilant thing and pull her off to the side when they come back and just entertained her until world ceremony. So I do that and we just started getting along really well. I mean it was very surprising to both of us, and uh, it just kind of went from there and then what what went from there? We just uh so for the next with three world ceremonies. For the next second half the show we dated there did you guys kiss? Yeah, we kiss,

and they showed that one show. But you still, as an American dating an American on an Australian show, you still saw a lot like screen time than say another Australian couple would have. Well, I actually I spent most of my time in slow motion, so I had my screen the objectified this out of you very muself. But that's what they recruited me for. Like that, my like antics and just we talked we don't care about your personality, We just not at and I like, you know, a

lot of like conversations. I was like, oh man, that's gonna make it this time for sure, not it's just me working out and sure to be honest, I mean nine percent of the time it worked out in the short because I knew that's what they wanted for me, and did they still caught me like every time? Every time? What's funny. So I was in Australia for Christmas and New Years this past year. So I made a couple of Australian friends and while a bachelor in Paradise, Australia

was airing, like three people reached out to me. They're like, oh my gosh, you're friends with Alex. He's so hot. I'm yes, I know, he's a beautiful human being. By the way, what's up, haven't talked to you in six months? Um? Okay? And so so you and Caroline dated on the show. How did it end? So we left right before the commitment ceremony. What I'm not sure like what the format of that is. I actually didn't watch to the end um and we just said, hey, let's try this back home.

She lives in Fort Lauderdale. I have a place in Fort Lauderdale. It's like fifteen minutes away. Didn't even feel like long distance in a way. And so I went down there a couple of times. I visit her in Boston her birthday and then which kind of after a month or a month and a half kind of that's when you have to have that conversation say, okay, well, where's this going? Like it's been all fun, but is this gonna go forward? Or did should we cut it before it gets toxic in any way? And uh, we

it was. It was very mutual, like we really yeah, we didn't want to be boyfriend girlfriend and it's just this was how long ago? This was j your Yeah, and then we had to wait like six months. They take forever a long long time. You forget what happened though, to be fair, because you're watching backs, like, oh, yeah, that it did happen. The films in November and then it doesn't air until like April something like that. It's crazy. Yeah, by the time I was like, oh yeah, I did

from that show. I remember last year when I was

on I filmed in November. You guys filmed Winter Games after US, and then Winter Games aired like two months before Paradise aired, and it was weird because it was when everything with Ashley was going down, and so like Winter Games was over and it was like kind of moving on and then all of a sudden, I mean granted, not much American exposure came from it, but like I was just getting tweets like you're on Bachelor and Paradise Australia and it's like I filmed that like five six

months ago, Like it's so I'm so detached from it now. It's weird. Yeah, I felt the same way. Did you ever go back to Uster earlier or no, No, I never did. I was gonna go back for a charity event with some friends that I met from the show, but it was just kind of it was it was a bad timing and it was kind of just too busy. And plus it's it's from here, what an eighteen hour fla. It's not an easy trip and it's not inexpensive. It's both.

But you could probably get a compt I mean, I all international television celebrities, but he was at that time. I found that. But I was also not like a huge storyline within the show, and his abs aren't as good as he, so he didn't get no. No, my body's way, not yours. So I wasn't objectified like you. Um, and so I did like they wanted me to do, like a couple of phone interviews, but they never wanted me to fly down there and do any time to press.

So okay, so post show then post airing, Uh you and Caroline, let's let's keep let's keep spinning this, let's get well. No, he did it, he told us back in January when they had the conversation. A month and a half. Has anything progressed since then? Oh? Since then though, I mean we've we've remained very good friends. I mean we I mean, Caroline is pretty spoken on on social media. You have very outspoken. Yeah you're not, No, not at all.

I'm very private, but like sarcastically about everything. Yeah. I mostly just troll you and Peter like that's and that's my social media presence. Isn't that what Instagram was made for? Well you would think so. But I mean, honestly, after going on the show, a lot of people feel that urged to put more of their private life out there.

And even after our show, you know, I deflected heavy to like a lot of humor, a lot of trolling on Instagram, and I really didn't give away a lot of my personal life to that following and uh so, yeah, her, she's a little more open book when it comes to that, and honestly made me a little uncomfortable. I I her because we you know, we had to make that post, you know, after the show ended. We wanted it everyone though, Hey,

uh unfortunately things didn't work out. And I literally asked, hey, the less detail you give, the better, honestly, like I just don't want to And She's like, oh, I'm I'm someone that puts it all out there, and it can be a challenging imbalance in the potential relationship perspective relationship when someone's that way and then someone else is a complete opposite, you know, it's like they can provide unnecessary tension.

I guess. I mean, just like with us, even like it took us what two years to like start talking about our relationships. What do you mean like we and you? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean like because we both have like a sort of like trust issues, right, so we literally like we're walking on actually for a long time. We're waiting into the water, very right, And so can I trust him? I was like, Dean has a podcast? Do I really want to tell him about my dating live? I never know,

it'll slip up. A couple weeks ago, I told everyone on the podcast about how we were kissing each other at Coachella. That was amazing. I have a video of it, you do. It needs to be posted on the help Instagram. That video is pretty funny. It's really funny. Um all right, man, Well, hey, it's good to see a single. I was a little worried for a couple of months there. I thought that you were going to be in a relationship, and I thought I wasn't gonna have you. You know that's good.

I wasn't worried about you. I'll be there as you shouldn't be, because at the end of the day, I'm going to be single for the rest of my life, going from guy to guy to girl, the guy back to girl. Um as I travel or around the country in a van, yeah, you're gonna come up and see me in the van, or actually I still really want to see the van. I might, Well, you'll see it today, hopefully I have planned. Actually, well, I'm like fifty fifty might drive out to Jared's wedding in Rhode Island in August.

And if I do that, I'll stop buy Michigan and say hello, Oh you won't I don't see why I really like beyond seeing you you're in Michigan, and then I don't come out and see you, and then I'll get the hate from next six months for the listeners out there. I once caught a flight to Michigan Detroit, Michigan.

Alex was supposed to pick me up from the airport, called him countless times time and time again, texted him and said, hey, where are you I'm here, never got a response, decided to catch a flight back to Los Angeles at a principle to prove to everyone out there that I don't take from no one, right right. But here's the real story. He was going to surprise Christina at a time truth bombs today. He had a layover in Detroit, and I covered for him, pretending like he

wasn't going to see her. Yeah what why why were you coming from? Well? Because he didn't want her to know he was flying to see her. So I was like, oh, he's coming to see me, Yeah, because why else would he be in Detroit? Was a going light party. She was moving to Nashville. Did she ever move? She like three months later she did it, moving in Last Angeles one games. Yeah, thanks for the truth, an any other anything else you want to get out you guys, anyone

else has any questions about Dina? Just as we we said, we both out our trust issues. I'm about to put you put him on blast. Here's the thing. If you always tell the truth, you don't have to remember a single thing. So when I've said I try to be as honest as I possibly can. Some things I have to win. Hold something I have to withhold add of sake of self preservation. Were also an incredible liar. Wow, that's like I'm just saying, you use it, but when

you want to be. I mean, Dean is one most charming people you'll ever meet, and is when we were in France, this is one of my favorite, one of my favorite stories to watch Dean flirt in different languages talking about the girl from the motorcycle, the girl from the motorcycle, yes, and then the woman in Normandy that I thought we were gonna have yeah, um yeah, the

girl with the motorcycle. She spoke everything but English. She she spoke French, Italian and Spanish and he's like, not too Spanish, and I think I can get us a deal, guys. So he's out there asking for the out DISCOUNTO. I know he she would not drop the price, but like I could, she would have gone home with you. And he was pretty cute. She's a very attractive older woman and I love it was I probably not just cracking up.

And then we go to that hotel this which you've bucked I don't know how, and it was three dudes, right, and three dudes. This one starts cracking up thinking like we're not going to do anything in there that night. That was nice almost. I'm slightly offended that you just said that I'm a really good liar. I lie about when you have things, when you help them, just it's like they're like sarcastic lives to be funny and to provide interest in the lives of those around us. I'm

I didn't call you a liar. I said you're good at lying. Yeah, you're not live. Maybe I'd say I'm good at misleading. Okay, what do you want? Probably whatever you want? I mean, you just stay not as hurt um Alex. What's going on in your life. We're gonna we're gonna wrap this up, but I want you to fill us all in on what you're up to, what you're interested in. Oh, what's what the future holds for the most beautiful human and all of North America? Well,

I mean, yeah, well let's Peter Cross. No, because Peter externally yes, but you are the package of externally and internal. I'm from Brussia, so I'm I'm beautiful on the inside, Peter's beautifully outside. You're both beautiful on the inside and you're beautiful on the inside. You didn't know that you got THEMN thats Um, what's going on with me? Just I've been doing that the adult thing back home for a couple of months. Just so, I'm working a lot

in my house. I've renovated a shower, and you have that thing I keep reading about. Um, I think you're telling me about it the other day. Uh, you've been doing it for a job. You have a job, right, Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, So that's that's what I'm actually getting paid right now. I'm not technically working remotely, so yeah, I mean my job allows me to be flexible. I can work remotely, I can do what flexible hours, come in and go. So that's really nice. Uh. I

travel a ton like last year. I mean I don't post as much as you, but I actually when I was going thirty four weekends you different places. What does you live in, gross plat Michigan. Well, yeah, wouldn't want to travel. Plus it's something to do. I think a lot of my friends really like coupled up or moved away, so it's it's really hard to get like the same group of friends. Like you have a huge group of friends, and I don't know how you're maintaining them. Mine kind

of aged doubt. So literally, like if I want to hang out with them, it's just me going to play with their babies. And so I've been traveling a lot, so I took a little time off from that, just you know, hop around here and there. But this summer, I definitely want to go Australia because I never ended up making I want to go New Zealand, and I might make my way back home the other way, so which way west it would be until go back you know,

maybe Bali, Thailand, maybe go back to Russia. Yeah, so they just go go around the world maybe a couple of weeks. Uh, we'll see what happens. So that that's the only thing I have planned for the summer. Well, it's a big plan. It's you know, it's as planned as Dean's life is. It just kind of you know, it happened, whatever happens is gonna happen. Just throwing in

a van and see what happens. Right, Not that you asked for it, but I would say, maybe avoid the Southern Hemisphere in the months of July, August and September. That's just the rent. I appreciate it. Yeah, you're a very, very person to ask. Yeah, yeah, I know exactly what I'm talking about on all things all matters. Um, all right, Alex, Well, thank you for coming. Um, I'm sorry for sending you the wrong address. Yeah, but can we do we at least you got sent to a Domino's. We address this waited.

I waited a Domino's pizza for an hour a few Did you order anything? I like the things I knew. He was writing his motorcycles and he can't answer the phone, and I know he probably keeps breaking down on the way here. Alex asked for the address for the podcast studio and I texted him and I don't even know where I got. First of all, you made me make my own way here instead of being a good friend picking me up in the van that it has a bed. Well, I couldn't pick you up on the motorbike. You could.

It's being run on dental floss right now. If you want to jump on that that I would have chances with you. Yeah, there's the dental floss is holding the battery together at the moment. But I made up this address that I thought was at least within a block radius of the podcasting studio. It's like a mile on the half. But now that's my mistake. Um. Anyways, thank you for coming in today. Oh, thank you for me. Um. Anything else you want to get off your chest before

we sit part? Ways? Yeah? Anything else about Deane? That that's what? Do we have? Any questions? Let's do this some Oh yeah, we can do one email, right, I mean this is let's do an email that's asking about Dean's life. Like but you can just put in there if you want. I feel like we're like an hour twenty in, but let's just crank. It's more of a story than in a question. But Timbothy, it's a pretty good story. I matched with the girl who made a

good conversation. Our first day went to a country concert, a great time. She told me she loved rollerblading, so I said, hey, for the next day rollerblading. I'm not crazy for roller blade. Anybody thought that's how I'm going to make this happen. So I bought a brand new pair of roller blades for eighty five dollars. I wasn't practiced, sat down in the curb, and I thought, I can't show up in this date with brand new, shiny roller blades. She's gonna know I'm trying to pass myself off as

a rollerblader. So he grabs a bunch of dirt and gravel and scuffed up the sides of his roll of blades really good, making look like he's had these for a while. The next day I text her that will meet in an hour, and she never responded. I got ghosted the night of The worst part is I can't return the role to blades. There were eighty five dollars because the store said there were two scuffed unbelievable. This day, I still have those rollerblades in my trunk, just wouldn't

to be used. Sorry, Timothy, Sorry about that, Tim Well, hopefully one day in the future you'll meet a girl who really appreciates those role blades. Here's what I wants can go roller blading into the I admire the commitment level, no kidding. Here's what I want Timothy to do every day before work, after work, put an hour of working on the on the blades. Become a semi professional, if

not a professional, rollerblader. Get back in her radar. When you were on top of the podium at the next Summer X Games, I want you to look straight into the camera and be like this was for you. This is what you're missing out on. I think that's a great story. I think that's sorry. If you're going to go to that level, that extent to impress a girl that you are interested in getting to know, that means that you're gonna be a very great boyfriend at one

point in your life to someone very special. Why no, they're not a roller by that. We all need extra skills, don't we. This could come in handy someday. Exercise. He's perfect on the inside, on the inside, on the outside, that's true. Yeah, I think it's a great And that's not true either. The hell am I even talking about you are perfect on the outside. If you're more perfect on the inside, he could. He could lose the mustache. We were talking about that earlier. You like the mustache? No,

I love the mustache, but it's really creepy. Yeah, but that's why I love it, though I was telling Mark. I was telling Mark earlier that the idea is to remove people's inherent biases when I meet them. You know, I think you're adding biases. Anyways, that'll do it for this week's episode of Help I Suck at Dating? No better time to end it than there. Uh, thank you, thank you to our guest, to Jared So you interviewed, Yes, Orlando Soriah. He has his new show on HDTV, premiering

this Thursday. It's called Unspoused My House. I'm very excited on my favorite channel or Londo story, I am on a show. I am a little bummed. I wasn't here for that, because you're gonna when when Leslie and I. When Leslie and I broke up, I rearranged my bedroom for that same reason. I was like, I've got all these memories of having Leslie my girlfriend in here and then and then we broke up. I was like, wait,

now I have to change everything. So I like moved my bed around, I bought new furniture, all that kind of stuff. So I really wanted to talk to him about that. Unfortunately we didn't get the chance to. Why did you guys break up? It just wasn't you know, there wasn't a future. This is just this lack of compatibility. What what, Alex? Why are we talking about this? So I'm glad that he said it sounds sounds interesting. I'll be tuning into a show. Yeah, it sounds pretty interesting.

So we'll see. Big thank you to uh Me for showing up today. Big thank you to Jared Mark and Easton. Big thank you to our sponsors of course as well. Um, I don't think I'm forgetting anyone, so big thank you to Alex Boardy. Ladies and gentlemen, be sure to check him out on social media. Alex underscore boardy, Right, what used to be? You used to be able to find me on your Instagram but now you only pose with alcohol? Yeah? Well I used to be every other picture with me

and we had like a good thing going. I'm in a dark place right now. Thank you for making someone. Be sure to tune into next week's episode of Help I Suck At Dating, because maybe we will suck a little bit less. Follow help by Suck At Dating with Dean, Vanessa and Jared on I Heart Radio or wherever you listen to podcast