Dean on the Beach

Vanessa Grimaldi. No, you're still number one. No, I think that we all because I think I think we all should just concede to the idea that we're the third favorite hosts. Right, There's never a first or second, We're always just the third favorite. Yeah. Anyways, me and Vanessa just us to today. Jared had more important things to be doing apparently, I guess he's in Italy with his wife or something like that. So crazy. They left the

day after their wedding, right, they left yesterday. Their wedding was Sunday, so they left the day after their wedding, Which is that uncommon? Do you typically stay in the area for a little bit and then go on your honeymoon or no? I think like old school. Um, I remember when I used to go to weddings when I was a lot younger, people would leave in the middle of their wedding day, like their wedding night. They would

jump on a flight and go after their modding. But yeah, I'm telling you this is what this is what would happen like back into the day. And now it's more common for people I find to want to save money and then leave for their honeymoon, either like a year after, a couple of months after, not directly after the after

the wedding. But I mean, I just remember because I guess I saw like a headline or something saying that Jared and actually leave the day after their wedding for their honeymoon, and I thought that that was weird that that would be a headline. And so I guess I just kind of assumed that if you got let's say you got married on a Sunday, you would basically let me just stay in that town until like a Tuesday

or Wednesday and then embark on your honeymoon. But it sounds like, oh, I guess it sounds like what you're saying, you either leave the night of the wedding or you leave a year later. I don't know. You hear a bunch of different things. Is like we do it differently in Montreal or maybe in the culture and our culture, we give money at the wedding. We don't give gifts. So everyone paid like two dollars ahead. If you're bringing me a date, you're paying four hundred dollars, so you're

paying twenty dollars a person. I'm gonna be honest, I didn't get Jared An actually a wedding gift. And now that what Now, Now, I'm just realizing that that that might have kind of messed up with me to do. I just realized, but you know, you kind and say that you forgot to give it to them because you were out of town. Well, and now that they're going to know this, but you can get them something after and just be like, oh, I just want to surprise

you guys when you were back from your honeymoon. Not big, not big on the idea a lin to my friends Vanessa. But I see what I see where you're saying for sick of self preservation. Actually, what's funny is I missed my flight the day that I was supposed to leave for their wedding. Yeah, I had a flight out of l a X. And I swear my alarmed everyone off. I said it for three third am. I woke up and it was like eight am, and I looked over and I was like, it's way too bright for it

to be three three d am right now. And I looked at my phone and it was eight am, and I was I was freaking out. I texted Jared right away and I said, hey, man, my flight got delayed and we got redirected. Actually, Funny asked to say this because I just said I wouldn't lie to Jared, and actually I said I don't want to stress him the day or a couple of days before the wedding, right exactly. So I was like, my flight got delayed, got redirected.

I'm now flying into Boston instead of Providence. I now get in at ten pm instead of six pm. And yeah, so I had to like jump on the internet book a one way to Boston instead of my flight to Providence, which actually, like it sucked and I had to pay obviously some extra money to get on that flight, but it all worked out. It works out. I want to know, Ye, did the Jonas brothers show up to their wedding? Yeah you didn't hear? No? No? Did they for real. Where

did you hear that? I thought that was kind of like under wraps. You're such a liar. Where did you hear that? I'm curious. I'm just saying because I feel like Jonas Brothers and Ashley it's like synonymous with each other. So I figured they might show up to their wedding. Jonas Brothers, Rob Thomas was there. Taylor Swift showed up halfway through the night. Okay, you're making me feel like, well, I did have the worst weekend, but now you're making

me feel like I I'm just kidding. With SA none of that happens, but I mean it would be awesome with the Jones brothers showed up, I think, I don't. I don't know. There were some great live musical performances by people that their names escaped me. But um, it was a beautiful wedding the night before actually, so we did like O huh, yeah, it was, Oh my gosh, your dresses were unbelievable the night before. So she had a rehearsal dinner dress. On Saturday, she had her of course,

her her ceremony dress, and then her reception dress. Right, so three dresses, but maybe more, I don't know. Exactly what she did. But um, Saturday wasn't a good night. We had like a rehearsal dinner. We It's it's funny because they used that time for like the groomsmen and the bridesmaids to give speeches because they're like, we don't want to like give fifteen speeches the night of the wedding at the at the dinner party, and so all the bridesmaids had days to prepare for this. They kind

of knew it was all coming. And then literally like five minutes before it happened, the wedding planner came up to me, Ben and Nick and they go, hey, uh, you guys are gonna give a speech in five minutes. Are you okay with that? And we all looked at each other and you go. We were like, well, well, why didn't you just tell us as sooner? And so Ben went first, and Ben, in natural Ben Higgins form,

delivers a beautiful impromptu, off the cuff speech. Like people were literally crying and tearing up in the audience listening to Ben speech. And then Nick went and Nick started crying in the middle of his speech, and it was a great speech. I attributed to his acting ability I don't know if you know, if the tears were real,

but regardless, he sold it and he crushed it. And then I end ago after Ben Higgins and Nick by All, and I gave the worst possible speech imaginable, and I was like, maybe if I had more time, I guess, if I had more time to prepare, I would feel even more guilty for doing a bad job. At least like this way, I kind of have an excuse. But

the rehearsal didn't went well. And then the next day well, actually, then we went out that and I to the bars like Jared's last night as a single man, quote unquote, you know what I mean. And there was like me, Jared, Ben, Nick, Becca Tilly, Tanya Ashley didn't come with us, but we all went to the bars, like the local bars in Newport. I think we were at a place called O'Brien's or

something like that. And I don't really like drink alcohol much anymore, but it was Jared's like last night as a single man, So I was like buying shots for everyone. I was like, Jared, you're taking the shot at tequila. Ben, you're taking the shot of vodka, and I'm like taking shots with them every single time, and I got the drunk is I've been in a long time. And I had slept in until like three pm the following day the wedding, which is the day of the wedding, right,

so the ceremony started around like five ish. I slept until three pm, just so hungover. I thought I was gonna like throw up a couple of times the morning after, sitting in bed and Ben like had to come knock on the door a couple of times. He goes dean man, like, you gotta get up, you gotta go take pictures with the groom has been the bridal party, all this kind of stuff, and I'm just sitting in bed, like just please leave me alone. I just need to be left

alone in darkness for a little bit. I was like sitting in my bed like fetal position, child's posts for a little bit, like trying to keep everything inside of me. Um so that the day of the wedding got off to a rough start for me. And again I attribute that to just I think my goal was to get Jared as drunk as possible, But what I did was to get myself as drunk as possible, And that was just that was a silly mistake. Um. And then the

wedding came and the ceremony was fantastic. We did we did. Uh. It was actually interesting because typically when you go to a wedding, right, like the groomsmen and the bridesmaids all stand up at the altar with the bride and groom right. But at this wedding, it was just the best man, which was Jared's father, and just the maid of honor, which was Ashley's sister, and then all the groomsmen and

all the bridesmaids were sitting down. I have a question because I saw I don't remember whose story Ashley's father was roasting Jared. Yeah. Yeah, I think everyone was kind of resting Jared a little bit. That's hilarious. Yeah, I mean, I think he has the right to be rested. You know, he waited three and a half years to figure out exactly who he wanted to marry, and then I guess it all worked out for them obviously at the end

of the day. And it is funny. It's like Becca and I think a couple other people said they were like, this is the most beautiful love story ever, and part of you is like, well, yeah, It's absolutely phenomenal and so beautiful, and I'm so happy that they because what Ben said, actually that really struck a chord. I think

that really made a lot of people cry. As he was saying it was like, if if you were to ever look at these two people, Ashley and Jared, you would know that there are two people that were like supposed to end up together, right, and so it's like great obviously see them that time than not. Um, But it's just they didn't really maybe have the most traditional path to get where they got to. Um. But then the wedding was great, went went off without a hitch.

There were some dogs that ran down the aisle as well, and then the yeah they had three dogs, but the ring bearers I think. And then the reception was great too. It's this beautiful estate in Rhode Island. I think it was something, oh, I can't remember the name of it, but it was this beautiful, big manner and yeah, I mean it seemed it seemed to go off without a hitch. I think that they're pretty happy with how it all went. Um.

It was a big wedding. I haven't really been to many weddings, but there was like two people there, which seems like a lot. But yeah, that was the wedding. How was your weekend? Uh? Not the greatest. My grandmother passed away. I'm sorry to agree that. Um so it was not. Yeah, it was a tough week leading into

the weekend. But she was ninety one, she was a fierce she was a fierce lady, and she had Alzheimer's, so were morning the loss of her once, you know, she started losing her memory and it was just a matter of time. And but no matter what age, it's never easy to say goodbye to love one. So it was definitely an emotional weekend and it was no much needed family time over the weekend. And uh yeah, it was really able to get together for it. Yeah yeah in Montreal or yeah exactly. So the week was on

Friday and then the mass was on Saturday. But it's a long process. I mean, it's just very emotionally draining. And then you know that an you worry about how because it was my dad's mother, and then you start worrying about your dad's You know, we should worried about my dad's health because you know, he was really close to her. And yeah, I'm really fortunate and I don't think a lot of people can say this, but up until I went on The Bachelor, I had all four

grandparents alive. My grandfather passed away on my dad's side right before I went on the show, and three years later the exact same way between, Like I think it's exactly three years my grandmother, my grandmother and my dad's side passed that passed away, and now, thankfully, knock on wood, I still have my mom's side with me. So very very fortunate. You have to hold on to the to the to the memory so that you can keep them alive with you. How does how does the Alzheimer's process work? Like?

How long did your grandmother have it? She started? Um, I don't think we knew what she had until like we started seeing the signs and the symptoms of it.

And then there's like a stage where you can get aggressive. Um, and there's a stage where you know, we would open the fridge and there would be a shoe in the fridge, and then she would hide my grandfather's wallet, and then she would like mail things off to different people and things were obviously making sense, and we put we placed her in a home, and yeah, she was she's been in though she was in the home for a couple of years and we'd always go visit her, and my

dad would go twice a day to feed her, and we're all very very close. So it's it's sad, very sad. Yeah, again, I don't I don't know much about it, but I know it's a horrible disease. But thoughts are with you.

It's hopefully you're able to. I mean, it's good that you were able to spend the weekend with your loved ones and kind of process it all with them, right right, Because I was supposed to be in l A. I had to work opportunity out in l A. And I had to cancel that the morning of when my grandmother passed away, and that's when we had to start planning all the funeral arrangements. And yeah, Mike said, very very sad, but like you know, you have to keep them in

your thoughts and in your memories. But enough about like this sad stuff. Happy news. Deanie babies is on paradise. Yeah. I don't know if that's there's in a clause or that, but yeah, I mean an appearance today. I gotta say Dean is so good at keeping secrets. What do you mean? I messaged you. I kept asking you, are you going on Paradise? You kept denying it. No, I'm not going. No I'm not going. I would, and then like at one point your phone went off and I'm like, I

think you're off to Paradise. Good luck, and then you would. You didn't even reply to that message, so you kept the whole Paradise thing a complete secret. I tried to do it my best. Yes, I did keep it a secrets. Today is even the first time I went on Paradise. I kept it a secret from like all my close friends, and they would all like be like, hey, you're going to Paradise obviously, right like you're going, You're going, You're going, And the entire time I was like, no, I'm not going.

I'm not going, like it's not for me, it's not for me, because I wanted to like people to show up to the beach see my friends with them thinking that I wasn't going and be like surprised, I'm actually coming and I'm here, let's do this, and really knew you were going. There's a select few people that knew that I was going. I mean, like my very closest friends and even then like one or two of them maybe, um.

I was even like my my manager didn't really know that I was going to She was like, you're going are you going to Paradise? You're not going to Paradising? Well, I don't know, and which is like, in reality, it's pretty unprofessional of me to like not tell my manager that I'm going on a television show. But I think that's kind of what that was my mindset going that you're going to be m I A or however longer there.

I made sure that I had everything that I needed to have taken care of to be good for an indefinite amount of time. But she wasn't very happy with me. She goes like, she's like, why didn't you just tell me? And I go, well, I don't know. It's kind of more fun to keep it a secret from everyone so you're not alone, I don't. I hope you don't think that. I was like, oh no, I just feel like, well, if you guys have secrets, Dean is definitely the one to tell them too, because he's a fault. He won't

let anything out. But I want to asso should we talk about you and your date? With Klin first, or should we get into the whole Blake scenario. Well, I talked about the Blake thing on Almost Famous podcast last week, and I'm kind of blaked out, but I would still love to hear your opinion. I think that I'm curious to hear your side of things. Okay, So I only watched the last two episodes tonight and last night, and

I'm kind of sad that I missed out. What was it too that I only missed two episodes if I only watched these two. Okay, so I didn't watch last week. Um, but yeah, I kind of got my I kind of got updated. I personally know Blake and he doesn't have a He's not a bad person. He can't feel like, oh, Blake is a level of black right I for me, I can't personally say that about him. So to see that he's, you know, had fun with multiple women in the franchise alone, yeah, of course you're going to have

a bad reputation. Of course, it's like you're gonna be placed in this like really uncomfortable situation, especially if you're back on the show wanting to date. In this case, it was multiple women, and now he's been on this On this episode, he's into Hannah, which is all very

confusing to me. Um. I think for me it's I feel like, well, not that you could relate to this, and not that I want to bring this back up, but you were in a love triangle last year on Paradise, and Blake is in a whole other scenario with multiple women now. I think like, when you're in a bad spot, you're you're constantly trying to dig to get yourself out, but you're digging, and you'll just keep digging yourself a deeper and deeper hole. And I feel like that's where

kids at this point. Yeah, I agree, And that's kind of how I feel too. I don't think Blake's a bad person. That kind of like I'll echo basically what I said last week on the Almost Famous podcast. I don't think he's a bad person. I don't think he has I don't think he's acting maliciously or malevolent malevolently. I just think that he is trying. I don't even know he's made a lot of bad decisions, right, Okay, I will say and I was like, well, why would you do this? When I saw this on his stories.

I'm not going to call you out or anything real quick. But I noticed that one of my co hosts liked his post on Instagram, which posts reflecting his actions in Paradise this season so far. Oh, I probably just like the picture. I don't read captions. Well, it was a picture of words, but it's okay. Look I got at

your team Blake. That's fine toom anyone listen. I think like when, like i've I, Blake was in Montreal not too long ago, and he just looked very, very sad, and I felt for him because I think he was very nervous with what was to come with the show. Um, but I wasn't team Blake. When he posted the instant the screenshots of his conversations with Kalen, that was a big violation of privacy. That's rod of the line to like defend yourself, say what you gotta say, but don't

just don't screenshot and share private text messages. That was I thought, is the illegal. I feel like it might be even illegal to be doing something like that, but a violation of privacy, And I felt like he was his up against the wall and he didn't know how else to defend himself. But that was not the way he should have gone about it. And that's that's what That's the way I feel as well. You're allowed to defend yourself, go to whatever length you need to defend yourself,

just don't go to that length. Yeah, And I think that that seems to be kind of what most of the people that I've talked to fields as well, Like, I don't know, Blake has made a lot of questionable decisions. The people that he's involved with in Paradise maybe have made some questionable decisions as well. The point is we all do dumb stuff and questionable stuff. It's but it's like how you react to those things, and it's like what you what are you going to do to maybe

improve and not make those same mistakes again. But by publicizing private texts for millions of people to see is not really the way to go about, um saving face or explaining yourself of the story. And it's funny you see you see interviews by like Chris Harrison or obviously me last week, and I guess I really haven't seen any other like cast members or people from the show

speak out about it. But the people that I've talked to you privately are all like, yes, he has every right to defend himself, but he never should have released those text messages, right, never. Yeah, and even if you're releasing text messages, there's a whole other part of a conversation that you're not showing, So like you can't just pick and choose whatever pieces of a text message that

you want to display text conversations. And on top of that, there's probably phone conversations, facetimes, in person conversations, that type of stuff. Yeah, so I think we're kind of on the same page with that. I'm just gonna say that you're team Dean and this one. I'm gonna go out and I'm gonna go out on a limb here. Whoever said it was Dean against Blake? Oh well, I'm just yeah, you're right, that's a good point. I guess I'm saying that right now. Yeah. No, I'm I'm just team like privacy,

respect people's privacy. But I will say I was really team Dean and Kalen. Yeah, what do you think of a date? Okay, what's your honest opinion about it? Pretend like it's Pretend like you're not talking to me, Pretending you're talking to like something found Klin like stunning beautiful. Now you know she is. We all know she is. Everyone has a girl crush on her. Um But I actually wrote this down tacious at at best. When you walked in and she's like, oh, Dean is like a

rugged beach bumb Like you shower but you don't. It's kind of like a weird combination where you know where we're all here for it. I was like, that is hilarious. That's being like, does he shower? We don't know if you showers because you so us. You have this like sexual thing about you and especially and I'm saying this and I'm saying this from a very healthy, happy, committed relationship. When you and Taylor were in that pool kissing, I was like I saw Dean on a whole other level.

I was like, whoding babies. There was something about like the chemistry between you and Klin and the pool was on fire. I don't know why they wearing the fireworks behind us. But what's funny is that leading into that kiss was not the most romantic thing, but you let her uh oh no, the jump that jump into the pool, that's not what I was referring to. They edited it out. I don't know if I can say that, I don't

see why I wouldn't be able to say that. Um, it was just like the first kisses are always awkward, right, like especially I wasn't drinking alcohol at Also, like my game was more just like speaking openly and honestly, and it wasn't as like smooth or swab as it typically is, which again it really isn't, but sometimes like when you when I get liquored up a little bit, like I'm a little bit smoother, and like right before her and I kissed, I go, klin, have you ever kissed a

guy with a mustache before? And she goes, I don't think so, and I go, well, do you want to? And then we've we've laid lips on each other, but they didn't air that, and I was like I was kind of like dreading that for a minute, like going like leading into the kiss at the day as like it's gonna be pretty embarrassing. I like said this really silly thing in order to get a kiss from this girl that I liked on this date. But they didn't

end up bearing any of it. I finally keep my boyfriend asked me if he was not No, actually, he said there's something I really want to do right now. Before he went in for the kiss and I'm like, what do you want to kiss me? He's like yeah, and he went in for the kiss and I'm like, oh my god, that's the sweetest thing. I think it's sweet. And you have like this quirky side to you that's

so endearing. Um And I actually that Kalen called you out when you're like talking about yourself and you're like, oh, you really know how to hike yourself up, And I'm like, yes, Kalin put him in this spot exactly like Dean. You need to know that you're like what we see in you. You need to believe it because you say that all the time, which is pretty funny. Actually she can go that. But like I said, I always try to under promise

and over deliver. When I was when I was talking to Chris on my way down, I go, I'm I live in a van, I'm unemployed, I have a mustache. Who wouldn't want to date me? Right? Yeah? I mean, you just have a way to have a way of talking about yourself. So I want to know was it weird for you? Because I don't know what your situation is obviously you were dating Christina at one point. Is it weird to walk in? I've never been on Paradise, and obviously a lot of people listening to this episode

haven't been on Paradise. So the nerves leading into walking down the stairs and seeing everyone in front of you, how does that feel? I'm gonna answer that question, but before I do that, I think we should take a little break. I just did that. I don't know if I was supposed to do that or not. Okay, cool? Um, So, walking into Paradise for the second time with one of my exes on the beach, as Vanessa pointed out, with Christina, you would think it would be a little awkward, but

in all honesty, it really wasn't. I knew she was gonna be down there. I texted her before the show saying something along the lines of, Hey, I hear through the whispers of the trees that you might be going down to Paradise. I'm considering doing the same thing. I just wanted you to know if I see you down there and you're dating someone new or you're interested in someone,

I'll fully support you in that relationship. If it's if it's like with someone that I think is trustworthy and worth of being in a relationship, you know what I mean. So I basically was telling her like, I hope this isn't gonna be awkward. If you're interested in someone down there, I hope you know that you have my vote of confidence and like my vote of support for you. And so when I walked down to the beach, obviously she was one of the first people I wanted to talk

to you, just to be like, what's up, how are you? Oh, it's funny that we're both back down on this beach together. Remember last time we were here and I was a huge That was hilarious. So it wasn't like super weirdly, wasn't super awkward. Um, I don't know, honestly, Like there's yeah, there's a lot of history down on the beach between Christine and I. And but what's funny is Christine obviously has a history with Blake down there too, and as we saw in this most recent episode, she like has

a thing with Kris Bukowski now as well. So it's just that's bachelor, you know, Like people get this interwebbing relationships where it's like, oh, I used to date him and I used to date him. Now I'm dating him, and he used to date her, who's action my best friend, and now she's dating him, and she's dating her, and he wants to date him, but he doesn't like guys, so he has to date her. You know what I mean.

It's a web of I like to know something because we saw Christina, who you're friends with, and you guys talked literally go to the bar and then talk about Klin behind her back. Why did she do that if you guys were like clear the air since then, and Christina, yeah, because you guys had clearly are being like, hey, obviously we didn't get to see your guys conversation, but you

were like over on that couch bed thing. You guys were chatting, and then you were still talking to all the other girls, and then Christina and Klin are shot over at the bar where Klin's back is turned to Christina, and then Christina's talking. I think to Chris about like, I don't know, there was accusations of thing. I don't I couldn't even really figure out what it was. But I'm confused because if you and Christina were on good terms,

why would you do that? It almost seems like she was jealous of Kalin being interested in you and then was talking poorly. But if you guys were on good terms and one of the best, I don't know, I was a little I was a little confused on that. For the listeners, that's Tory are amazing producer who decides to charme in because she has a great point. She makes a great point and she lost. She lost Bachelor everything Bachelor related, so she knows she makes a great point.

And I think that my response to that would be, I don't think that Christina was talking about me and her. I think she was referring to her and Blake. Was she not well, she was talking about Kalin. Christ From what I gathered from the conversation, Christina was having a conversation at the bar with Wells about how she, in a weird way, is responsible for the implosion of Calin

and Blake's relationship at Stage Coach. That's how I perceived it at least, and how she and how she's inquiring about whether she should feel guilty about being responsible semi for that. Okay, so that was still on the Blake situation. The wrong I could be What do you think shown it in a different way and a different light to make it seem as if she was talking poorly about Klin. It did sound like she was talking poorly about Kalin, right,

But I don't know why. I'm not saying that that she wasn't doing that, but I'm saying she was talking poorly about Calin in regards to her and Blake, not her and me. And then when Christine and I were talking on the day bed are private conversation private whatever

are solo conversation over there? I think that maybe Calin had just heard Christina talking about the Blake situation, and then she would maybe see me having a conversation with Christina solo over in that area, so she would assume that Christina is talking poorly about Klin to me about Blake and their former relationships. And I I think that's what I that's what I gathered from it at least, Um,

what do you think? I don't know. I just thought it was weird that if you guys had talked being like, hey, I want the best for you and everything, and obviously this was before your date with Kalin. But I just think it's weird that there was like so much drama circulating around that still well, it almost seemed like competitive rather than still talking about Blake. But that's how I interpreted it. It It almost seemed like you hit the sand

and then tensions like rose. I guess I should point out that I was the one that said I wanted the best for Christina, and her response kind of echoed my sentiment, but it was a lot shorter, so I don't know if it was quite as uh, if it was quite as meaningful from her. I think that there are no feelings either way for me and Christina when

I walked into that beach. But again, you know, maybe it just reminds her or reminds me, maybe just brings back to old memories of like weirdly better times like between her and I where we were like interested in each other. Obviously like it didn't go well down on

that beach. Maybe it just is like a PTSD thing where she like then relates to that beach in my presence on that beach, to these like super strong emotional feelings, and because of that, then she's like having an outburst to wells at the beach with Kaylin's back turned right there clearly in ear shot, like it was very it was very weird. Don't get me wrong, it was weird. It was just weird timing. I mean, clearly there's been a lot of tension around Blake, but it just seemed

even more direct once you hit the the beach. So I was just wondering, like, what was your guys conversation when you guys were over there so we didn't get to see it. She Christina loves uh as you can tell by her introduction. She loves spilling the tea as the kids are calling it these days. And so I pulled her aside and I figured it was it was a good conversation to have right off the bat, to be like to kind of clear the air, break the ice, and be like, hey, what's up, Good to see you again.

What's been going on? Like she and then she filled me in like, oh, this is what's going on with Blake. He's kind of in this pickle with all these women. This is what's going on with Clay and Nicole. This is what's going on with Cam and Kalin and Mike and Kalin and all these people. So it was kind of more of just like a filmy and sort of thing, and it really wasn't like a like there's never any real possibility of like Christina and I going on that day,

you know what I mean. And I think she knew that. I think it was just kind of like a friendly, platonic, amicable like, this is what's going on, this is what's happening. That's how I took it. At least, I'm surprised I didn't airny that conversation. Actually it was just basically muted shots of us having a conversation. Yeah, it's um long distance shots with like all the girls who are interested

in you, with you guys in the background. All the girls that are interested in me, all of them, every single one of them, All all of them on that beach were interested in the mustache. Wait, I want to know why did you pick Katie first to talk to And the reason I picked up Katie to walk away to take her to have a conversation with her was because I was like, hey, kay, let's go have a conversation. And she goes, oh, you're not gonna like grab my hand and and like walked me over to the day bed.

And I felt bad, and so I turned around. I was like, oh my gosh. So I picked her up and I ran her over. That was my response to that. Yeah, it seemed as if like you came in your life full band or two, picking girls up and like going to talk to them. I was like, gig get it probably crossing some lines, some like personal boundary lines. Honestly, it was fun. Um. I find there was so much like let's say Blake and Kinda and Blake and I don't even know whether girls that he had history with.

He came in with his story with some of the women. Did you come in with any history between you and kalenx. I feel like there was a lot of spark. Well, Caitlin d m me Once upon a time a year ago, last July. Yeah, I would say last July. We had a very brief conversation. We talked about this on the podcast before. Remember she slid to the d m S. We meant to meet up for coffee and never ended up happening. Then it became a big deal on women

till all. Then I reached back out to her and I was like, a just so you know, like I have to talk about the the d m S slide from last year. It's it's obviously super innocuous, like nothing really came of it. There's nothing like to be embarrassed about. But I just want to make it clear to you that I'm talking about it on my podcast this week. And she goes, oh, yeah, of course it's fine, Like I get it, obviously, have to speak your truth, whatever

it is. And then we met in person, like in passing. Uh. I was at a meeting with my potential management company and she's repped. She's repped by the same company, and she was like going to an event and she was in the lobby and I had just finished a podcast there and we like stopped or like we passed by each other, and I was like, oh, it's nice to meet you in person for the first time ever. And then that was the end of it. Yeah, So I walked down to the beach, and I guess I was

kind of most interested in taking her on the date. Um. You don't really get to see much of our conversation either, obviously, just little snippets of it. And it's I always get so piste off at myself when I'm sitting on those day beds having a one on one conversation with someone, and I decided to like lay down and lean over. I don't know why, I always do that, but in the moment it feels so right. But watching it back on television, I'm like, just sit up straight, you loser,

and just like make eye contact. Why are you so bad at eye contact all the time? So it's more like a ghost suave move like Christian did that too. What do you think of Christian? Mm hmm. Very looking guy, very good looking guy, but he needs to tone it down a little bit. And you don't find him be looking forward. She's like, I don't know, I don't think so at all. Really now I find him like that. What is he is? He? Um? Is he Cuban or

she Cuban's mean, he's Mexican. I don't know. I like the swag that he has, but he needs to tone it down a little bit and a little a lot aggressive. That's that's a huge turn off. He's heavy with the passion for sure. Yeah. And I think it also comes from, you know, an insecurity because he got booted off What Night w all right, So it's like him trying to

come and redeem himself. And I don't know, there's there's a lot that goes on after Actually a psychology a psychologist told me that once the men get off of the Bachelor, they feel like, oh, well, I'm the statable guy and I can get all these multiple women and you know, and then women that get off the show don't have a major transition coming off of the show. Um, so it's not that big of an impact on their dating life. As opposed to men, it's like a free

for all. They think that they can be the Bachelor off of being being a bachelor. And you say, you think Christian was afflicted by that kind of thing. I feel like, you know, there's like this macho side to him that it's covering up something else because you know, you don't need to be that aggressive. You have the looks like you had. He was a professional soccer player, Like he has a story. It's a compelling story. Girls

find that sexy as it is. You don't have to go that extra mile to try to win someone over. Like he's like a soap He's like a soap opera star in Mexico or something like that too. He was. I think he's an active soap opera actor in Mexico, something like that. But I will say, what's funny is that interaction or the altercation with Clay at the end of the episode where Clay comes over and says, hey, like Nicole, I just want to talk to you for

a couple of minutes. I got something to tell you, and Nicole goes, I don't really know what to do. Clay like, I'm uncomfortable, and then Clay leaves and Christian says something along the lines of I'm a nice guy, but just don't get me angry. And whenever someone says that they're not a nice guy, right like, if you have that much of a temper problem, you're probably not. I don't like it, Just doesn't you don't if you need to tell someone that, then there's probably bigger issues

lying underneath. Would you agree with I don't know. It's English is first language. I would probably say span I mean, he speaks English obviously perfectly, but I think Spanish is his first language. Yeah, yeah, I don't because sometimes I want to communicate some thoughts and I'm like, I know this makes sense in another language, but I'm not sure if it's coming across as intelligently is if I would

say it in another language. So I don't know. I just think that he has everything to like, you know, get a girl. He doesn't need to be that. That's that's a really interesting point you made, because I fullheartedly

agree with it. Where you said men coming off the show have a bigger transition than women coming off the show, and I think, just to kind of reinforce that is, it's like it's a lot of mediocre, look like average looking, maybe slightly above average looking men that are coming off the show that then get glorified and put on this pedestal. But the women coming off the show are still they're

beautiful whatever selves, and they're already highly sought after. But these men, these these sixes and sevens myself included in that list, obviously go from sixes and sevens to then like feel like nines and tens where they can just do whatever they want. I mean, look at Blake, for instance, this exact same thing happened to him. He was a six that turned into a ten overnight. I will say, though I love Dean with the long hair, that you're like a ten with the long hair with the short hair,

was like, I didn't even recognize you. I think it's the most mixed thing I've ever experience, where so like it's so fifty people are like I love the long hair, it looks great. And then the other half were like, dude, you look so much better with short hair. Cut your hair again, Like you're doing yourself a disservice by having that long hair. I was actually thinking this morning as I was getting ready, I was like, man, I love my long hair. I don't think I'm ever going to

cut it again. Um. But speaking of looks, Tyler from Hannah B season that is like he started as a ten and left as a twelve or well, wait, I really I really want to jump into the Tyler thing. But before we do that, let's take a quick break and then I want to hear all your thoughts about it. All right, Vanessa, So you think that Tyler went from

a ten to a twelve? Yeah? Tyler? Okay. So if I'm looking physically at Tyler, I'm like, damn, Like it's like, you know, the sides here of his cheeks that go in. I guess that they're dimple. I don't know if they are dimples. Are they're not dimples? But that's beautiful. Again, I'm in a very loving and committed relationship, but he's just very good looking. Um, I found him a little bit.

I don't know if if it was his persona. But I found him a little bit too soft when it came to like the constant, like you know, not having an opinion on certain things. Um, And I'm like, was that his persona or like like I want to crack down, like who's a real Tyler? Um? But you know, his looks get in the way and you're like, oh, he's beautiful, he's perfect, And then you find out he's dating Gigi Hadid, right, supermodel,

supermodel who was dating. Wasn't she dating Zane the singer? Yes? Yes, Okay, well, okay, g g stunning is not. I mean, here's here's my opinion on this. I'm such a Tyler c stan. I think that he could do better than Gid. Oh my god, who's her than? I don't know, but I know that person is out there. Think of person, Think of a person that's better than look wise, I mean, I don't know. Personally, that's a tough one. Looks beautiful, Don't get me wrong.

I think she's a stunning, stunning girl, but I still think Tyler could do better. So do you know Tyler personally? Never met him. I don't know a single thing about it. I don't know, like who is he, like, what is he? What's his personality like? Other than like I think Easton might have met him. I've met him. I've spent time with him. Um, and I will tell you this. He he told me and everyone else who listens to the almost famous podcast that his his number one selebt me

crashes Jessica Alba from the movie Into the Blue. So I think that's the character He's gonna Bikinia the whole time she is. She gets spanked by Paul Walker under the ocean. That's who he's got to go for it. That's all I'm saying. Jessica Alba post but she has kids now from Into the Blue like the character. If anyone's going to travel back in time to day Jessic Alaba from Into the Blue, it's Tyler from The Bachelorette. Um, I will say. Obviously spending the weekend with Nick, Nick

and I are close friends. He I was giving him a lot of crap. I go, damn, did you you replace me with Tyler C. You're posting all these pictures with Tyler C and joking he goes, He goes, well, yeah, that's how you get the engagement obviously, but he was he was speaking him up. He said, Tyler he's a great guy, but he's also just a guy, like he's a guy from the show, or he's a guy that went on the Bachelorette. So it's like we always kind of build up these lofty, lofty expectations of these people

we see on TV. I mean, obviously you can attest to that, like and then you meet them in person and she's kind of like, oh, you're just a regular person. But Tyler SE's underwear campaigns, underwear modeling top notch. I don't I don't even wear underwear, and I'm gonna start buying whatever underwear that is just in an effort to look more like Tyler Ce. And he's got away with the words. I don't know, if what what would be

your advice for him, Banessa? Would you want him to be the Bachelor or do you think he should maintain pursuing gig adid You know, when I found out that he was dating, I was so happy for him because I was like, yeah, get it, Like you're that good looking, you seem like a really good guy, Like, yeah, you should be get get to you should be dating someone that's at your level. But then I was also like, oh, man,

I really wanted him to be the Bachelor. I personally selfishly wanted to see him on my screen and be like, who is he going? Like how is he going to be able to interact with like all these women because he was so into Hannity and so selfishly I wanted him to be the Bachelor. Um, but also like, yeah, I mean, if you're dating Gig, then you're in You're in the circle now, like you can be dating whoever you want. You don't need the assistance. What do you think?

What do you think? G seas in Tyler, that's that's interesting for her? Him and underwear. Yeah, that's that Gus. It's enough, huh, because I mean you gotta think about it. Can date is already in that circle? She could get whoever she wants. She's like the most sought after supermodel in the world. And then it's like, why why are you dating a guy from The Bachelor? You know? But there's a lot. I mean, I feel like the sell Pretty world and the Baschel world has kind of intertwined

with um. Please help me out here. I'm having a blank Wells and Sarah now engaged like she's a pretty big actress. Um. And then who else dated someone in the in the well didn't Nick Jannuary Jones or apparently her friends or whatever. But even at that that was like, go Nick, Like she's stunning. So I don't know, I feel like that I would say singer, I'd say Chris Lane's out kicking his coverage with that one. I think Lauren's a step up, absolutely, But but he's outside of

the like he's like a celebrity outside of the Bachelor. Yeah, I suppose. I suppose. I feel like as time go on, as time goes on, the Bachelor World and the Bachelor franchise and the fame that comes with it is getting like I thought it was going to somehow like stop, but it's just getting bigger and bigger. People coming off of the show are getting large amounts of followers, um, and the fame attached to that is much higher than when I was on the show. Then when when you

were on the show. So I don't know, I feel like it is crazy. It is crazy it gets bigger and bigger because it's like it kind of makes you question and wonder what's going to be happening for it moving forward, because like there's obviously like the underlying suspicion that everyone's going on the show just to become quote unquote pseudo famous right overnight, and like the bigger that grows,

the more potential each person has into going into the show. Yeah, what do you think, Yeah, I think people going on the show obviously there's something in the back of the mind that's like, Oh, I can get all these followers and make this money and get all these cool opportunities.

But then once you're in the bubble, it does become really real, it does become really emotional, it does have a toll on your psychological well being, and then they might think, like, maybe it wasn't the greatest idea to do this for the wrong reasons, or to do this for the fame, because anything that's attached to things that

have such power, like fame and money, there's downfalls to it. Well, So on that note, then, speaking of like former Bachelor contestants stating celebrities, what do you think my odds of landing Miley Cyrus are? Well, Now, she's into women, so I think zero. I think she's fluid. I think she's kind of just moving open to things she's like Demi. You know, she likes women when she likes women, she likes men when she likes men, she likes them both

when she likes them both. Pans sexual when you're into someone's energy and you're not you can categorize as by or as heterosexual. You're just gating someone because like you feel their energy. What do you call it pan sexual? Yeah? I don't know that could be true. Let's see pan sexual defined on Wikipedia is not limited in sexual choice with regard to biological sex, gender, or gender identity. A pan sexual person, So I think that means, yeah, you

maybe are just attracted to energy. And I think that would also span two gender ambiguous people as well, right, like if you're interested in them like trans and all that kind of stuff. Yeah, well, back to Miley. I'll take Liam or Miley Liam. I'm sure we're really sad and upset by the breakup, but also like, hey, Liam is now single. In this situation, I am a percent by partisan. I would take you there. Of them, I would too, I mean they're both great. I met them

both and they were amazing. So well, because I'm friends of Brandy and it was I don't wonder whose birthday. It was I think it was her mom's birthday, and we celebrated their birthday together and they were very down to earth and like super chill. So um. But speaking of Miley, So, Miley and Liam broke up? They did they split or they did they get separated or divorced? Because they got married not long ago, about a year ago. They've been dating for a long time. I want to

say nine years or something mild like that. Um, some say it was divorce and some say it was a split, but allegedly was um initiated by Miley. Okay, and then Miley went off to Italy with Caitlin Carter, who is Brodie Jenner's ex wife, and they were spotted smooching it up on a yacht before the news came out that Miley and Liam got divorced. Caitlyn Carter is her name, Caitlyn Carter? Yeah? Does she have an Instagram? I looked it up but I can't find her. Yeah, she has

an Instagram account. She's also very beautiful blonde hair. Was So, how does that mean? How would that make you feel? Like, let's say, obviously God forbidness ever happening. Let's say Josh dumps you and then Josh begins dating a boy like another guy. Does that make it easier for you to move on? Or is that? Like? Because I was thinking about this actually when we were watching Paradise last night.

Even to bring it back to that for a quick second, is when Demi was telling Derek she was dating someone back home for the past six months or however long, and she said that it was a woman. I think that the fact that she was dating a woman helps soften the blow for Derek to be like, Okay, I kind of I'm okay with this, Yeah, I think so. I don't know how I would personally feel. I think whether it's a man or a woman, it'd be hard

to see someone that you love move on either. In this case, it seems like it was quickly, but they may have decided to split and get divorced before the news came out, so I don't time it is. So that's why I don't want to have an opinion on it, because they may have decided to have been divorced, like they may have been divorced already a month ago, and she goes on vacation and then you know, the news

came out after their picture was out. I think what helps, maybe for Liam two, is the fact that Liam and Caitlin are like super super different, Like Liam's this hunky, beautiful man, Caitlin's like this beautiful, dainty woman. So it's like if Miley went from hunky beautiful hulkey and to other hocky beautiful, hunky man, then you kind of be like, well, what like what did I do that wasn't good enough?

But now he can kind of look at it through the lens of saying like it wasn't necessarily maybe me that's a faultier. It was just like her taste changed. Perhaps. Well, the question for you, Vanessa is how long after a breakup is it okay to post a picture with a

new significant other? In your eyes? God, um, I feel like, no matter when that picture comes out, was always going to be this initial sting, whether that's a week later, a month later, a year later, it's like, oh ship the person bound someone else, and like you kind of you're you know, you could get over someone very quickly. Because a relationship ends before it ends, it actually ends,

so in there's never really a right time. I mean, you can't really get mad at your X for having found someone else, better that they found someone else a week after your relationship ended, as opposed to like why your relationship was still going on. I guess it kind of helps you move on to like right, like Liam seeing Miley move on so quickly probably helping him move on. Yeah,

and it could also just beat listen. I'm not comparing anyone to Kevin Hart, but I went to see Kevin Kevin Hart Show, and he was basically saying how he has become a prisoner of his own success. He's like, sometimes I go into three different cars before I leave my house so that paparazzi don't follow me and that they don't track whatever I'm doing, and then make up a story about it. In this case, apparently Miley and

Caitlin were just having fun. So maybe they were just exploring each other's front step and maybe they were just having fun. And that's literally it just ended after that kiss. You know what's funny is I saw Brandy posting a lot about Caitlin and Miley on their trip to wherever they are, and I never, honestly, I didn't know that Miley and Caitlin are having fun quote unquote until hosting this podcast I was just looking at it and I

saw the pictures. I was like, Oh, it's just a bunch of girls on a boat having fun and Italy or whatever the heck they are. I never heard a second thought that Miley and then we're like dating. Yeah, no, I mean either. I thought it was just like girls going on vacation anyways. So you think it's just different, I guess because it's like, obviously the relationship could have been over for a long time privately, but then publicly what we see is Liam and Miley split a week ago,

and now Miley's with this new person. So that's like the tricky thing. And I agree with you. It's like, I'm sure you know, I don't want to obviously, like it kind of sucks. Using your situation is example. I obviously I have this same kind of situation. But it's like you and Nick split up, and then you you probably like three weeks later, a month later is when

you finally decide to announce it. Maybe I don't know that the exact timeline, but it's like you split up and then it's not like you're that same day announcing that you guys split up, you know what I mean? So It's like there's a lot more going on behind the closed doors that we don't really tend to see. Yeah, um, well do you want to do this email? We have one email from Janica. It's about me, so I kind of feel weird reading it, but Easton can read it

for us. That's right, Deane, I can read. Uh, this is from like you said, Jannica, Dean, do you think Bachelor Nation has a love hate relationship with you? It seems like people love and hate you at the same time. Ben Higgins is just forever lovable, even though he told two women he loved them. And you could argue that Jared made some mistakes when it came to timing with Ashley, But when people think of Dean, they could go either way. Do you guys think this is the case? And if so, Dean,

how do you feel about it? But I said you want to feel this one first. I want to say something. It's all amount of perception. So Janica probably has like this perception of you, and you know when you like you're remember at one point I really wanted kids and all I kept seeing was like women in baby strowlers, and I was like, oh my, Like all that's all I see. So I feel like it's all a matter

of perception. So if I personally don't feel like there's that many people that he Dean, I think that obviously that has happened in the past with you last year on Paradise, like has it had tainted your image? But now it's like, who really cares about that anymore? I don't know. I just personally feel like, um, when people want to focus on something that is negative, that's all they'll end up reading, all they'll end up seeing. I remember when I had posted when I first got off

the show. My friends kept scrolling through my comments and they were ignoring all the nice comments and then like, oh my god, this person said this mean thing about you, and scrolling oh my god, this person says something to me, And I'm like, but you're ignoring all the good stuff, like focus on the negative. So I personally feel like there is this major like push and pull in the Bachelor franchise or the Bachelor of World for Dean. I don't know. I'm just such a Dean fan, that's why.

So I'm like, what are you talking about? Your wife's beyond your years, Vanessa, You're making a lot of sense right now. Maybe mine is the whole uh team Dean thing, which I appreciate, and I'm always team Vanessa as well. I think here on they help I suck a dating podcast. We're always team each other, right. One thing I guess my take on this is two years ago when the whole Paradise thing was happening, and I went from very

similar to Blake situation. You went from the beloved on your season to them like the heavily scrutin eyes on the season that's airing. And I hated being the person that everyone hated. And the reason I obviously like that makes sense, right, Like no one wants to be disliked by everyone. What was challenging looking back on it now, obviously with the clearer that I have now, is I was trying to be someone I wasn't to gain the approval of people that I'll never meet in my life,

and that really was what's frustrating for me. And even though I was like trying to gain the approval of strangers, and that was probably after the fact, right, Like I wasn't actively doing that while I was filming, but I was like I wanted to like obviously fix my mistakes, but I was trying to change who I was to make other people happy. And that's when I look back

on and see and and view as really frustrating. So what's what's good about now is I am who I am, and I have much better understanding of who I am as a person, Like I'm much more confident in myself and I think I have a much stronger identity than

I used to. And so now it's like people don't like me, I don't really care, Like, don't like you don't have to like me, but like the person that you're not liking is who I am, the person as opposed to before the person they weren't liking was meat a favor person actively trying to be someone else, you know what I mean. So now it's like it's their decision whether they like me or not. But I don't care whether they're like me or not because I'm like,

I'm starting to understand more about who I am. Right, I think that's great advice to give people, even who are not on the show. I think we're cost me trying to look for people's approval, which is why we're posting certain pictures are addressing a certain way or acting a certain way at the end of the day, or screenshotting text messages and putting them on Instagram. Yeah, we're doing that. No, No, I don't know. It's just it's it's a funny. It's a funny world where especially with

reality TV, it's a little bit different than acting. Where As actors and maybe like singers and songwriters and all these people they get they garner fans through their talent and their ability, and they're gathering fans through like the characters that they play for us on screen. But as a reality TV personality, you're getting ants through who you are like as a person, right, And so because of that, I feel like we kind of have this inklingk to

like make people want to like us more. But it's it's just like a tricky thing to navigate because none of us are really prepared for it. And then when things don't start going our way, then you like start backpedaling and you you feel like you're maybe like losing grasp of yourself. So, I don't know, Also scary when you know how your opinion could be twisted in a

way that makes you look bad. You know, if you're opinionated about something, I feel like for me sometimes I have to second, I have to like double think of how I'm going to say without trying to insolve anyone, which is impossible to do. Somehow upset someone if you have an opinion on something. That's kind of what I've just upped caring about a lot of stuff. I'm just like, I'm gonna say what I think, and a lot of times I'm going to say the opposite of what you think,

just because it's the more fun thing to do. I like starting ship, I wouldn't think anything less. But anyways, Um, is there anything else you want to add? I think that's probably about do it for today's episode or this week's episode. How's everything in your life going? How's everything with Josh? Everything is going really well? Um? My birthday is coming up, I mean not really, but at the end of September a little trip. What are we doing

for it? Um, I'm not sure. I think he's planning a little getaway, a little romantic weekend getaway so that we could just reconnect because it's been really busy. He's in politics, so there's a bunch of like political things coming up that I don't understand. But he's been really with it all. Um, so things are good, things are going really good. How are things going in your life? Teany? Did you have a date at Jared and Ashley's wedding? Nope?

I was by myself, was dancing with Nick. I posted a story about having a date, but she was married and she was just my uh coagulated bridesmaid what's the word? She was the bridemaid that I walked down the aisle. Basically, I don't know, you collagulated. Maybe you could have made sense in that situation. But what's funny actually is that view that story like got a lot of views, right or having many story views you get and like of the people that viewed that story clicked on her profile

to see who she was. I just thought it was funny. I showed her with her I was like, hey, look like all these people are like trying to see who my hot date is. I just thought that was kind of funny. But um, the great thing about my dating life right now is you got to watch it every Monday and Tuesday night on Bachelor in Paradise on ABC. It's seven eighth Central at least until I find a way to mess it up, which knowing me it's inevitable. Yeah, exactly. It's not a matter of if, but it's a matter

of when. Um, But things are good. I'm happy things are always good, and I'm excited to continue to watch. Obviously there's gonna be ups and downs. That's kind of the funny thing is it's like knowing everything that we always know coming out of the season, like with how everything ends, it's still kind of tricky to watch it back because you kind of like relive the downs and relive the highs, and it's kind of tricky sometimes. But and like he said, I don't know what they're going

to take out. You never know what they're gonna take out. You never know what they're gonna like put in, and and you never really know what people are saying about you in private interviews. And so it's just like to watch it back and see all that kind of stuff

is tricky. And I'm not even saying for myself specifically, but like for our fellow cast members out there where it's like or even in a group chat for Paradise and DEMI will text us and be like, hey, guys, I talked a lot of about all you just be ready for it. I love you, and it's like you kind of have to expect that you have to take everything everyone says with the grain of salt at all times, which I think that's like the most important thing that

people watching the show can be doing. Um And Jared actually made a really good point a couple of weeks ago,

and I think you and him were co hosting. I think I was gone, but I listened to it back and he said, you get assigned a character role when you go on these shows, and the audience will only see that character that the show wants you to play, and they're only going to show that uh, facet of your personality because that's what that's what they need to kind of paint the picture that they want to paint. It's a very one time, fnational version of yourself, right exactly.

Um So yeah, but anyways, it'll be interesting to see myself back on screen. Like I said, this is the first season I stayed completely sober, so I like have a little bit more of excitement going into it. You didn't drink at all, one glass of wine two nights

before bed. It's just to help me sleep better here for you, thanks and so so, yeah, I don't have to worry about like some drunk dumb things that I said, or making out with girls and pools while the other girls sitting there right next to me watching because I'm too drunk to realize what's going on. So that's gonna be all good. I Again, I know, I'm kind of like inserting myself in the drama a little bit with

all this Blake stuff. But I can't just like sit back and not have a voice and stay silent on all this stuff. So it's been a it's been a tricky way to navigate it. But all in all, I'm hopeful for kind of it to be over and we can all move on from there. But yeah, at the end of the day, whatever, you know, like we all because we're all in this and we all understand um the kind of backlash that can happen to us or to other people. We empathize with each other stories whether

or not we agree with what we did. There's still that level of empathy, empathy towards people. Absolutely, all Right, well are you gonna be are we doing this next week? We're probably doing an episode next week. Right, I'm gonna be gone next week. Where are you going? I'm going to be in Croatia, sailing around on a yacht. I think I told you guys this. I hope I did. No, I never know where you are in the world. If my text messages aren't going through, I'm Mike for sure.

He's driving gone nowhere, somewhere. I'm flying this time. I'm gonna be gone next week. So it probably might if Jared is still in a honeymoon, it might just be you. Yeah, I'm I'm a good tory, me and you girls. I want to do another girls episode, girl chat, girl chat talk. I'm going to tune into that for sure. Anyways, thank you for listening. Thank you to our sponsors for helping

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