Dean on One Knee

married and have our wonderful little boy, Dawson. And now on this episode today, October two thousand and twenty two, whatever episode it is of Help I Second Dating, we can say that Dean Angler Deanie Babies is engaged to Kaylin Miller. Keys. Have a round of applause, ladies and gentlemen. Yeah, Dean, how you doing, buddy? Congratulations? Well, first off, Jared, you look twenty years younger right now because I shaved. I don't think i've seen your cheek or your jaw bones

in five years. I mean it's been at least that long. So we did Batman for Halloween, so I had to shave down really show off the jaw. You know, I gotta gotta get myself into that Robert Pattinson mode. But this is not about me. It's not about me shaving or looking young or tired or dead on the inside. This is about you. Uh, dean, dude. Congratulations, man, it's awesome. You're engaged. Dude, you're engaged your fiance. Yeah, I know,

we're engaged. It doesn't feel any different though, to be honest with you, because I've already worn the wedding ring for three years, we have already owned a house together for two years. But don't get me wrong, it is beautiful. I am very happy be engaged. Um. I know there's always been a lot of like questions about whether we just secretly eloped and got married to each other, And so that's kind of why it's like, while I do feel different and happy and excited, it doesn't I don't know,

it doesn't. It doesn't if it doesn't feel like there was like it wasn't as big of a step as like a normal relationship would have taken. Because we've already taken that big step. I feel like, you know, So my first question to you is did you actually lose the ring or was that a whole lie that you had. I saw people like commenting that I I have lost it. If I have lost the ring. I am going to

find it. Uh. It's funny because I asked Kalin with I got like a cute little half carrot diamond and like like not in an emerald cut because I don't think you can make an emerald cut ring that's small. And ask Kalin and it's like holding the ring up and she like leaned over and put her hands on her knees and like looking at it. And I wasn't sure if she was looking at it because she wanted to see if it was like the ring that I claimed to have lost, or if she was just sizing

it up or whatever. And I like felt kind of insecure, like she was like staring at it um and then sure enough it was just she was like taking off her ring that she was wearing so I could put that ring on her. But then she was like, let's take pictures of it, like we were like the beach at sunset, and I was like, I don't want to take pictures of this ring because I'm embarrassed by how small it is. It don't be embarrassing. I mean you should be embarrassed you lost the ring, not by the

size of the new ring. Yeah, well I am I am embarrassed by both things. And the new ring is cool too. I was like talking to the guy about it from He was like, yeah, once you find the old ring, you can just bring this one back and we'll turn into like a necklace or something. So I've decided if I find the new the old ring, then I'll get the new ring made into a necklace for me. Obviously, would you wear it as that'd be kind of cute

if you wore it as a necklace. Yeah. And then I was thinking too, instead of getting her an engagement ring, I wanted to get her an engagement necklace. That way we didn't have to trans any diamond at all. But then I was like, no, that's a little too abstract. I'm gonna stick with the ring. I'm gonna keep it a little traditional. I guess what you could do is you could turn the ring that you actually proposed with into a necklace, like you said, and have it be

like a family heirloom. So if you guys decided to have kids, you could pass that down and say this is the actual diamond that I proposed to your mother with, and then this is the one that I lost, and this is the one that I lost the big gass one is the one that I lost. So she wears the mom wears that one. Yeah, Mom, because she's not gonna lose that one. Um. Yeah. So that was how that all went. I um uh, it was a fun hike. I want to get Kalin on here at something. Yeah,

I want Kalin on here too. My question is, do you for you did an eleven mile hike? Did you do that on purpose because you really wanted her just to be It's the most deean thing to have her be completely exhausted, sweaty, tired, annoyed at you, And then that's when you just turned it all around and propose. I figured I've tested her so much, there had to have been one final test for her. So she survives, she gets the ring, and she passed. She passed the

test barely, though there were times. There were time I don't want to have her on this podcast episode, but I do want to have her on at some point in the future and have her like recount her experience because my experience and her experience are gonna be very different. We So it's eleven miles and the weather was perfect, it was beautiful, sunny, well, it was twenty two miles.

I guess she's because it's eleven miles in and eleven miles out, and so there's like a halfway point that you can hike too, so it's six miles in in camp, and then you finished the next five miles the next day. And so the first day we get it, we kind of start late because we had a couple of things to do in the morning, and then we start hiking and then we get to the halfway point and we're like, wow, that was a tough day, but we're here. Let's cook

some food. I cooked us up some sausages and some vegetables. It was delicious. And then we woke up the next day and started the next part of the trek. And that part is like the infamous part of the trek. It's called Crawler's Ledge. It's like a mile long track of like sheer cliff on one side. And I I personally thought it was fine. I didn't have an issue with it. I want to I can't stress that enough. I didn't have an issue with it. Um Kalin, on the other hand, the other party did have an issue

with it. Yes. Kalin on the other hand, was very angry at me for taking her there. She asked if we could turn around fifty five times, and eventually I just started saying, yeah, let's turn around. If you want to turn around, let's turn around. And but she didn't. I mean credit to her, because she was crying, she was angry, she was cursing at me, but she stuck with it and she eventually finished it. Um, so yeah, it was. It was a it was a trying experience.

It's I was thinking, too, it's pretty funny, um to make the person that you're gonna ask to marry you cry on the day that you're going to propose to them. Cried for like a like an hour that day. You want to make them cry, but you don't want to make them cry out of pain and sheer sadness. You know, it's supposed to be happy tears that day, right. And I did everything too. I like, I moved all of her stuff into my backpack so she didn't need to wear a backpack. I walked ahead a mile, put my

backpack down, came back with no backpack. That way I could like like spot her as she moved along the cliffs. I was doing everything. I was working over time. I was trying to encourage her as best I can. But it wasn't I mean, it was scary. They were scary points I could see, like I could see someone getting scared in those points, in those moments when you would say it was scary, Do you think it was scary because they she could have died. Yeah, she could have died.

Oh my god, you're an insane man. People die on this hike like semi regularly. Um, this is the hike you chose. As far as it was beautiful, it was beautiful, the pictures look great. We got lucky. So we did the crawler's ledge section. It was perfect weather. If you crossed it like the rain and it's all slippery and muddy, that's when it's really really dangerous. But it's still like it's just it's a body wide, single dirt path and it's like, as long as you just stay on that path,

you're not gonna fall off the path. But I could see why, like if you're if you get a wandering eye and your eye wanders off to the side a little bit and you can see, oh, there's a two ft cliff over here. If I make one bad step, then I could see how that gets in your head anyways. So we were doing that and I kept encouraging her. If she wanted to stop, we could stop, We could turn around, we could go back to the trailhead, we

could find a hotel. And I was like, I was kind of it was kind of like a reverse psychology thing. I was thinking. I was like, if I tell her we can return around, there's no way in how she's gonna want to turn around. And there was like three moments where I was like, Damn, she's really she's she is really pushing herself here to the like to the utmost, like to the full brink of what she can do.

And I swear to God, I was like, she's gonna ask to turn around, and I would have had no choice but to like turn around with her, and we would have gone back and figured something else out. But um, I do I like I did. I want to give her as much credit as possible because it's easy for me to do stuff like that because I'm not scared of it. But it's much more challenging for someone that is scared of it to still push through evan and

then do it. And she had no idea that I was gonna engage too, So getting proposed, I guess, so, um, like she's just thinking, what was going on a random hike? And like I'd be pretty piste too if I was doing something that I didn't really want to do for some reason that I didn't really know, you know, did you have a plan B? What if she was like, Dean,

I'm done, I'm turning around, we have to leave right now. Yeah, I didn't have a plan B. But once she started saying that she want to turn around, I started thinking of what a plan B would have been. And I don't think I really thought of anything good. So thankfully there was no need for it. But so okay, So on date. So we did through three nights. On the first day we hiked halfway and slept. On the second day was the day that I planned the proposing, and

so we finished the hike to the beach. We started kind of early that day, at like seven am, and then we got to the beach around like noon, and so I was like, great, I've got six hours to figure out where I want to propose, set up the camera, do the whole spiel, the whole proposal spiel, and Caitlin, fortunately for me, unfortunately for her, she was struggling, so she laid down in the tent for like an hour

and took a nap and took some medicine. She had a headache and her legs retired and all that stuff. And I was like, great, this gives me time to go out and explore figure out where I want to do it because I've never been there before. I didn't really know anything about it, and walked around scouted at the location. I was like, Okay, cool, this is where I want to do it. So I go back to the campsite and um, she's like still struggling a little bit.

I was like, let me cook you some food. So we cook her some food, and then an hour later, it's like three pm, and I was like, let's just take a nice walk on the beach. I found this really cool spot. I want to get cute pictures of us, and so she like walks down to the beach and I was like, go stand over there near that rock or like near those that rock wall, and she was like, you want to walk all the way over there. I was like, walk all the way over there. You've walked

eleven miles so far, what's another hundred feet? Anyways, so she goes and stands out there and um start taking pictures. And then I was like, okay, hang on one second, I'm gonna set up the self timer. I'm gonna run out there next to you. And then I like, go out there next to her, give her the good side because we both have the same good side, which is pretty unfortunate for me. And uh, you've got a good side, I imagine, right. Yeah, I like to be on my I like to have my left showing, so do I

and so does Kalin. Yeah. I think that's everybody's good side. Nobody likes to have their right Why is nobody like this profile on there right? But everybody likes to have their left profile. You wanna what's funny? Even you just showing me those two profiles. I agree, your left side is your good side. Yeah, my left side and my good side. I don't know why. What is Ashley's a good side? Uh? Her left, damn it? Yeah, her left? Because every picture I was just thinking about pictures of

her and everything, she's on my left. So, no wonder I don't like myself in pictures. I'm showing my poor side. Yeah, and you probably didn't even realize that she's always snaking the good side from me, and she just comes right up. We'll swop off. So like if she's had the good side for a couple of times, and I'll take the good side, got it. But obviously an engagement, she gets the good side. For this, I knew that I had

to give her the good side. So I ran out there and I was like, oh, I saw this TikTok trend where you stand facing away from each other and then you count to three and you turn around. It's like a fun candid shot and I have like there's just a self time or like just taking a bunch of a bunch of pictures every every second from are far away. And so she's like three to one and we turned around and jump and then I was like, oh no, no, no, wait, we can do better than that.

And so then I turned back around and I grabbed the ring out of my pocket and she's like three to one and we jump around and I was on one knee and I said, that's so sweet, man, it was pretty cute. I guess I, um, yeah, I did you know. Never thought this day would come. I never thought I would uh propose to Miss North Carolina on a beach in Hawaii, but here, we are here, we are here, you are So what made you want to

choose that beach because you've never been there before? You just maybe saw them pictures and said that's where I want to propose. They kind of worked out in a weird way. So we were we were in Oahu like three or four months ago for a wedding and we went to Kauai afterwards. And in Kauai we did like a helicopter tour of the Neapoli coast. And I've always my brother had done that hike like seven years ago,

and he's always raved about it. So I got on the website and I looked at permits because you need you need a reserve permits for the hike, and there was a date window from October three to October and I was like, wow, that's really cool because October is a special date for me because that's like the anniversary

of my mom passing away. And so I saw those dates on we were like booking the reservation on the airplane as we were leaving Kauai that time for you know, for three months in the future, and I was like, you know what, that'd probably be a pretty pretty cool time to propose, And so that's just kind of how that sprung into action. Did you propose? Actually pretty cool story too. So so is the anniversary of my mom

passing away. It's been sixteen years. And every time I see a feather, I'm reminded that my mom is with me in some way. Every time I go and do something, uh, and there are feathers all over the place, so sure,

like whatever, I can find a feather wherever. Um. Every time I'm doing something dangerous like rock climbing or skydiving or something like, if I'm rock climbing, I'll come I'll be like scared in a moment, and I'll like climb up a little bit and I'll see a feather to my right and I'm like, wow, cool, my mom is watching me. I'm safe or or or she's with me. So like I feel comfortable because I know she's here with me. So I proposed to calin and I was like, oh,

this is cool cave over here. I want us to go just explore that and cook around it for a little bit. And I like go into the cave to set up a picture real quick, and she's climbing up this little sand dune and this perfect, full fluffy feather just rolls right on by Caylin's feet and we and there was never a feather on this beach or on the hike up until this moment. The very first feather we saw was ten minutes after I proposed, and so

I was like, oh my gosh, that's awesome. That's my mom saying that she is with us and that she approves of of what we're doing. So I was like, that's really cool. So I kept a feather Calin's got up for my birthday last year or something. She got me a little display case for a special feather, which is so random, like who gets a special display case for a feather? And I was like, well, I don't have just a random feather. That's so meaningful to me. I want to put it in this case, But now

I do. Isn't that awesome that she just got it out and she just showed it out? Uh so yeah, so my mom approves. She is stoked. I'm stoked, and Cayln is stoked. Um, but that's beautiful, man, that really is. Yeah, it's it's pretty. It's pretty cool. I guess. Yeah, it's okay, admitting that, you know, I mean it's to have your subject and like to do it on you know, that day. I don't know, it feels like almost uh certainly not I mean it's not my place to say, but ah,

certainly not like turning the page. That's not what I mean at all, But just like a really yeah, um, great moment for you, uh right with your mom and Caitlyn. Yeah, sure, I I appreciate you choosing your words carefully. They're not that you can say anything that would make me like offendit or anything like that. But but yeah, it was

a nice moment. You know. It's it's always a hard time of year for me, this time of year because I was get really depressed because I just be reminded about how I lost her a long time ago, and so I wanted to turn the memory of this day. I wanted to be more positive and I want to start associating that date with more positive things, and this

was my way of doing that. And I kind of was thinking too as I was like going down there, like there is a little bit of selfishness in that, Like Cayle, probably, I don't know though, Like Caleen, I'm sure it is very happy and would have taken it on any day, and she loves being part of this. But I do kind of feel like slightly selfish that I'm like using her to cheer me up because my mom's dad, you know, that's what she wants. I can't imagine, Kalen would ever want you to not propose on your

mother's anniversary because you feel selfish. You know, Listen, when you go into a relationship, you're in the relationship because you love the other person. You want them to be happy, and you want to be a part of the reason why they're happy. And I think you proposing on that specific day, I bet makes Kalin feel even more special. Yeah, she did just wave her finger and she said, no,

it doesn't make me feel weird at all. Uh. And then I told her, I was like, I want to get married on until next year because I don't want to be I don't want to have an engagement anniversary, a wedding anniversary, of first day anniversary, the too many do you celebrate all of those? Actually, just acknowledge them, dude. Actually, Like throughout the year, she be She'll be like, oh, today's the anniversary where we first met. I'm like, oh,

she's like, you don't remember. I'm like, no, I just there's a lot, there's a lot to remember these days. And then it's like, this is the day that we got engaged, and I'm like, oh, yeah, yeah, it's that time of June, isn't it. Okay, that's great. You know, it's like how many anniverse suasan birthdays and holidays could there possibly be? And she I told her, I said, we have one anniversary now, that is it. It is

our wedding anniversary anniversary. That's the day. That's the day we celebrate when you know, a nice little kiss, being like, oh we got engaged five years ago. Great, love you, Okay, moving on with my life. And what is the wedding anniversary? August twelve, eleventh? Oh so close. So that was good, bro, it was good August eleven. So not to talk about wedding, but you're thinking October, h yeah. But then I told Kyleen Matt and she was like, well, we can't do that.

We can't do that because next year October is a Tuesday, and no one wants to go to a wedding on a Tuesday. I mean, there would be nothing more dean than to get married and get married on a Tuesday. I would I love that so much. You make a good point, um, so maybe we just do it like the weekend before. I don't know exactly what we would do, but we have a nervous venues will be cheap. East

And said, were you ever nervous that Calin was gonna say? No, You're like, oh god, I'm really just taking her to the brink of sanity with this hike. She might just turn around and be like, I can't do this anymore. Dan. She like, no, I can't marry you. I didn't do a good enough job of putting into words how angry she was at me that day. She I have never seen her so angry in my entire life, and she like, I don't even know. I don't even know how to put it in the words now. She was so angry

at me. She for literally an hour an hour and a half through this sketchy area. I was just sitting there like, you've got this, nothing can stop you. You're a beast, You're you're fearless, eceter like, just consistently like trying to motivate her to like either distract her from the scariness of the thing that was going on annoy her to where she's more angry at me than she

is afraid of the high that's going on. And like, I don't have direct quotes because I think I have mentally pushed it out of my head because I don't want to remember her that way at all. But she she was she was just like why the like just she was just losing. And so when she was losing it during that difficult part of the hike, I was like, okay, um, Like in my in my head, I'm like, well, I'm gonna I'm gonna ask you to marry me in like four hours, So you need to turn this attitude around. Yeah,

I need some more positivity from you. Okay. I was like, I can't have my my fiancee just being miserable like this and great, like obviously she's not gonna be miserable like that forever for everything. But I was like, you gotta, you gotta get together, sister, like you need to figure this out. And then sure enough, Like it was funny to see her her growth throughout the entire trip to because like the hiking parts always suck and she's always she was asking me, She's like, so you just do

this and you have fun when you hike. And like I'm like, no, I hate hiking. Hiking sucks. But the fun part is camping after the hike, or looking back on the whole experience as a whole after the hike, because then you have a lot of like a big sense of accomplishment. But the hiking part really sucks. And so she was complaining, I don't want to say complaining. She she was voicing her concerns um throughout the entire

hiking portion. But every time we got to camp she was smiling and laughing and you know, eating her mashed potatoes and just relaxing and having a good time. It was it was just during the hiking that that really uh kind of threw off. The first two days and then the last two days she did really great. But then we got to camp and I made her some food and she settled down, and I was like, okay, cool, now, um,

now we could do this. But but no, there was never there was never a moment where I thought she would say no. Although, like I said, when I when I got to a knee and I proposed, she took a long time to say yes. She took a real long time to say yes. And I don't know, I don't know what was going on in her head, but it took a lot longer than I imagined. It takes you to think about it for a second. Yeah she did.

And so we were up in like Tahoe for my brother's proposal and we photographed it and my brother's wife tackled him on the beach because she's so happy. And after the proposed, after proposed to Kal and I was like, Hey, why didn't you tackle me? Ross's wife tackled him on the beach. You didn't even tackle me? What the heck? Do you not want to marry me? Do you not love me as much as Ross's wife loves him? Um,

but she made some good points. She's a tiny little baby and she wouldn't even be able to tackle me even if she tried a million times. Um. So yeah, so that's that's basically that's basically that. And then oh and then we popped a bottle of champagne on the beach, which was really lovely, so bachelor of you. It was pretty bachelor. I was thinking about bringing like one rose or something, but uh, we had to do all all aggresser shopping in Hawaii the day before and my backpack.

I'm like a pretty strong guy, and I think I'm stronger now in terms of like my hiking ability than I ever have been before. Like I can go further, I can go longer, I can carry more. And my intention this trip was to carry everything for both of us for the entire four days and three nights. And I feel as much as I could in my bag. And then she had like a little overflow in hers that weighed maybe like ten pounds my bag, I kid

you not wait a hundred pounds. And it was like buying far the heaviest I've ever had a backpack away in my entire life. Uh. And we got to the campsite and I started pulling things out of it, and I like pulled this big bottle of champagne out, uh, this big bottle of spaghetti sauce, this bottle of hot sauce, this salt and pepper shaker, this bottle of olive oil. And I was like, no, wonder, my bag way so much.

I have all of this, like these glass bottles because I wanted to like rather than use like dehydrated backpacking meals for this trip. I wanted to because meals every every time we ate, and the food was good. I I, you know, I don't want to pet myself on the back too much. But I did a pretty good job. But it was so difficult because like the trails a lot up and down through the like the coastline, and it was, um, it was just really challenging, I guess

in that regard, But yeah, I don't know. I forget. I forget where I was going with that one too. I just keep going off on these tangents and I forget what I'm talking about. Now. Your bag was so heavy. Was the heaviest you ever had, heaviest I've ever had. And then I told Kaylin to I was like, Kyllen, I could drop this bag ahead and a mile come back. I could literally throw you over my shoulder like a fireman and carry you along this trail if you like.

There was a moment where I was like, per like seriously considering doing that because she was too scared to move. I was getting so impatient, and I was doing our best to stay patient, but I was getting so impatient. I was like, you have done this a million times. Just imagine like there's not a big steep clip cliff over here and you can walk on past it. And she she understanding. He took her time, and I was like, I'm gonna go drop my bag. Yeah, just pretend the

edge of death isn't right there. I was gonna put her on like like I was gonna give her a piggyback ride and wear her as a backpack because she weighed as much as my backpack did and I knew that I could do it. But anyways, point is, it was the heaviest backpack I've ever won in my entire life. Um. But at the end of the day, everything worked out exactly as it should have, which is pretty fortunate because you know, obviously a lot can go wrong in those

types of situations. So do you remember what you said at all? Yeah? You know, I went back and forth on whether I should have delivered like a nice romantic speech as I proposed, because you did. Yeah. I just wanted, you know, listen, I'm I'm a film junkie, so I really wanted to make a moment out of it. So I made sure that, you know, I pulled it to the middle of the beach and the like gave this speel of how I felt, but most of it I didn't rehearse. It was more, honestly, just from the heart.

Can you give us a quick recap on what you said to actually, because I will remember it. I just want to remember, honestly, don't remember. I don't know. It was just more of like I said, it was just stuff from the heart about how much he meant to me, and and uh, you know how far we've come, and um, you know our hopes for the future. And that was really it. Uh. And then I remember afterwards only from

watching it back. I don't remember saying it in in real time, but apparently when I put the ring on, it fit her and I said, just like Cinderella's slipper, which is so stupid. I'll never forget. Watching that back, I'm like, I can't believe I just said that. That's pretty funny, smooth. I don't saying it, do you? So? Do you? You did you give a spiel at all? Um? No,

I did it. I wasn't nervous at all. But the reason I was able to not be nervous at all was because I had already pre planned and to give a speech, hm, like if I know, if I know, she's gonna say, yes, I know what I'm supposed to do. I know what I'm gonna do. Then there's nothing to be nervous about. But if I were to give a speech and say things that I would have like probably end up regretting like Cinderella Slipper, then I knew that

I then I would have been nervous. And so I was like, well, why don't I just not Why don't I just cut the nerves out of it and I just don't say anything and I'll just let this sick second plan b Ring do the talking. Um. So, so no, I didn't have a speech. Okay, Then you said, but did you ask her? Did you say will you marry me? I said, will you let me be your husband? I did say will you marry me? But I wanted to say will you let me be? I wanted to say

will you let me be your husband? But I was like, she's old school. She wants me to say will you marry me? And you've done so many non traditional things. Just give her this one thing, will you marry me? I'm glad you said that, very cool, so cute, and like I said, she hesitated. She took her time to respond. I was sitting there on one knee looking up at her she was doing she like she was jumping around a little bit, and I was like, are these happy jumps?

Are they sad jumps? What's going on? You trying to jump away? Tell me what's going on? Yeah, what's going on here? And then I guess what she was doing when she was taking off her ring so that way she could I could put the ring on her finger. Um. And then yeah, and then we went over then to the I can found that feather, which is great, and then we went back to the campsite, popped the bottle of champagne. She was steadfast and trying to hire like a boat or a helicopter to come pick her up

because it's another eleven miles to get out. Yeah, I got it. There's a couple other people on the beach, like like locals that live on the beach, and I was like, hey, guys, my girlfriend or my fiance is having some health issues. She might need like an evac via boat or helicopter. And they're like, well, we can do that, but just so you know, like a helicopter

a thousand dollars a boat probably can't come. And so oh, and if you take a helicopter, you have to go to the hospital because it's like an emergency service kind of thing. And I told her all this stuff, and she was like, I'm not going to go to the hospital.

That's so embarrassing. And I was like, okay, well, your only other option then is to hike out with me eleven miles, and so she was like, okay, fine, and so we hiked the eleven miles and I'll be honest, I don't know if it was like the fresh fiance, like pepping her step, but the next two days she was an absolute beast. She she was hiking like I was struggling to keep up with her. She was so fast.

We got to the scary section again and we can blew through it, like she she took an hour and a half to go half a mile the first time, it took her ten minutes the second time, Like she was a completely different person. That half cut diamond ring gave her special powers. Bro No, well yeah, that too, obviously. But I was like, listen, you're scared going in on

this way. I guarantee you when you come back this way, you're gonna of like you're gonna have a lot less fear about everything because you've already done it, and you've already you're gonna be excited about finishing. And she literally just plowed right through it. It It was so impressive. Um. And and then we camped at the same camp site. We camped the first night again, and I made us a delicious meal of spaghetti and then we can't We

hiked out the next day. And that last day really sucked, actually because it rained a lot the last day, which was in hindsight a good thing because if it had rained the day before when we were doing the dangerous part, then that would have been like pretty sketchy. But it rained pretty hard on the last day, so we hid like for five hours in the pouring rain, in the slippery mud. Um. But yeah, we made it out, and then we went to a nice, uh five star hotel

and took showers and now we're here. Very cool. Man. Well, congratulations, that's very exciting. Now your fiance, I am a fiance, but I still have a wedding ring on, so yeah, you're pretty much a husband. You've been pretty much a husband for quite some time now. I feel like a fiance by title lonely, you know what, I mean like, nothing feels different. No, it's the same thing, just still dating.

And let me ask you this. Do I when I go out places and like, let's say I'm sitting, I'm I'm uh, let's say Caitlin's parking the car and I'm getting us a table at dinner. Do I say my fiance and I are gonna eat? Or do I say my girlfriend and I fiance? You guys are fiances? Is that what you did? Yeah, there's only so much time that your fiance you might as well take advantage of it. Yeah, it just it just kind of seems pompous to me. You know, yeah, a little bit, but you might get

like some free drinks out of it. Sometimes you're like, oh, that your fiance's You guys are engaged. Congratulations first rounds on us. When we checked into the hotel. Um. I can't remember what the guy was saying, but he was like, uh, he's like he didn't even ask if we were celebrating a special occasion. But I made sure to let him know that we just got engaged like two days before, like praying he would upgrade us to like the honeymoon suite or something like that didn't work. And he didn't

give it. He didn't give a single funck bastard. He gave us a free He did give us a free bottle of house champagne, which was very nice. Hey, there we go. He probably does that to everybody. Um, but that doesn't matter. You keep using that fiance. I guarantee one of these days will pay off. Yeah. Um, wait till you guys are married and you say your new luwits you're gonna get everything free, And then what do

you do after that? Then you just say we allays had a kid and then you get everything for free. Um yeah, but then you start like not sleeping and then in constant state of anxiety and stress. So you're like, oh, it's cool that we got things for free, but now it's not cool. Now it's not cool. Yeah, but you've got a cute little baby to show for us. I know he's the best, and uh he's dressing up for Halloween right now, so he Um, it's pretty cool. He's awesome.

But Dean, congratulations, man, So exciting for you and Klin. You and Klin definitely has to come on this podcast talk about her side of the story, because I have a feeling it's going to be wildly different. Yeah, I mean, it'll probably be a lot more realistic. Yeah, you know, I know, but I'm I'm excited to hear that tale. Yeah, she'll, she'll, she'll do it. Um, I didn't want to have her to come on this episode. I wanted it. Uh, maybe we'll have her in on like the next couple of

weeks or something like that. But but yeah, she well, so she's supposed to propose to me now too. Oh yeah, I forgot about that. That was the deal that we would propose to each other. Is that still planned? I think so. She she said, my ring isn't ready yet, but she was so certain that she was going to propose to me before I proposed to her. Obviously that didn't happen because I've already proposed to her. But she's said before the end of the year, so she's only

got two months, two months and a week left. Um, but we'll see how that goes. I guess that's yeah, I forgot about that. Yes, you guys have another proposal coming. I wonder where she's gonna do it. I don't necessarily need one at this point. She's it was just basically steal my thunder from me for proposing to her. Yeah, that would be a selfish move. That would be a selfish move. I didn't realize how much power is bestowed upon you by being the one to propose. Yeah, you

know what I mean? Like you like like now, Kalin can't get angry at me, or actually couldn't get angry at you because you're like, well, I just asked you to marry me and you said yes, So like what is there to be upset about? Like not like and I'm talking like just like an everyday things like oh I didn't clean my dishes, Well, too bad, because I've already asked you to marry me and you're marrying me. Yeah, you signed up for this, You signed on for this. Yeah,

so who knows. But we go to Galapagos tomorrow, oh today actually, and maybe she'll do it there. You guys don't stop. Well, we'll be on the lookout for another agement for Dean and Kaylin. Also a quick shout out to grocery store Joe and Serena, who officially got married the same day, which was crazy the same day you guys announced at least um so crazy. It just shows that paradise rules them. All, um, so quick, congratulations to two wonderful people, Joe and Serena. Wish you nothing, but

what about what about the confirmed news today? It's just so frustrating and so maddening, and like people it's people wonder like what's going on with Tom? What's going on with Tom? It's like, really, you have to ask why Tom. Maybe he isn't playing to the highest level he's used to, Like the dude didn't play. He played okay last night, but it's like he knew he was signing the papers this morning. How could you even think about football last night? So it sucks. I'm I have a lot of strong

feelings about this. Uh that will dive into on a separate episode because we're leaving off on a happy note here, not an angry note. Um, but uh, you know, as always, I'm team Tom. I just don't understand if one one last parting piece of wisdom here, if the two most beautiful people in the world, the two most successful people in the world, can't make it work, how is there supposed to be any help for the rest of us. Yeah, love is dead. Love is dead. There's no hope for

any of us. But you know, hey, whatever congratulations on getting engaged. You know that's cool. Whatever, Thanks anytime. We'll make sure you guys tune in next week with this episode is coming out Sunday. Sunday everyone, Happy football Day. Uh. And then Tuesday we also have our episode with Olivia Creedy which is coming out. And then Thursday, of course we have our Caller episode as well, so tune in for those and make sure you tune in next week.

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