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the we TV show Love After Lockdown, which airs Friday's. Uh. That should be pretty interesting, which is quite ironic because we just had the girl on the podcast a couple of weeks ago, Dean that wrote a book about relationships in prison, And now we have two guests that are in relationships with prisoners. We have Rachel and we have Brittany coming on now. Rachel's dating Doug uh and Brittany's dating Ray, who were imprey into on the show, and

I think are still in prison. I don't know if they've gotten released, since I don't know when this was filmed, so I'm assuming they're still behind bars. So weird to talk about, Like it's like, I hope they're doing well. Uh. Any who, nice little segue. We still have our Suck Army Summer coming up Friday July from seven to eight o'clock Eastern Standard time four to five Pacific time, which, of course, you can buy tickets right now on looped live dot com. Which come on, guys, if you're still

suck a dating, we're here to help. Now. You can join us for a one on one. We're doing a little meat and greet virtual style, of course, because we're still kind of in a pandemic. You can get a little dating advice from Dean, maybe a little bit from me, but Dean's way better out about it. You can enjoy love in the upcoming summer, which we all know is gonna be lots of love going on because while the pandemic is slowing down, people are ready to get out

there and mingle and listen. And if all else fail else you can at least, you know, get a photo with us for Instagram. That's pretty cool too, Probably not really, but anyway, suck Army Summer Friday, July eight, Eastern Standard time, four to five Pacific. Get your tickets right now looped live dot com. Deaners, we have some hot topics coming in Tristan Thompson from the Boston Celtics, which is weird apparently. Tristan Thompson threatened lamar Odom for flirting with Chloe Kardashian

over some sort of bikini picture that she posted. I don't know what the hell is going on, but there's like a little bit of a love triangle breath between these two. So lamar Odom used to be with Chloe Kardashian. All right, do you know who Chloe Kardashian is? All right, Ashley's like laughing in the background. I can hear her. Not everybody knows who Chloe Kardashian is. Uh, So she was with lamar Odom, who's a basketball player, and then she was with Tristan Thompson. I'm not sure if they

were married, but they had a kid together. Tristan Thompson, I'm pretty sure has cheated on her twice. I don't know. I I don't think they're together anymore, which is why I don't know. I think they might be together. I don't really know what the hell is going on. I'm pretty sure they're not together. Okay, let me, Ashley, Why is Tristan Thompson threatening lamar Odom? Then? See this is ridiculous.

So apparently Tristan Thompson and Koli Kardashian are not together anymore, so he has no right to threaten lamar Odom if he's flirting with his ex. But apparently Chloe posted a bikini photo on her Instagram, and of course lamar he commented something like, uh, you know hottie with like the fire Emogencis and the hard eyes. Good God, Like, come on, now, what are we do when we're seventeen years old? But anyway, then Tristan Thompson went on and he replied at lamar Odom,

God brought you back the first time. Play if you want different results? Is that really a threat? That's it? That's like this is all about come on now. It's like pretty much the saying if lamar Odom wants to get back in basketball, Tristan Thompson is going to take him out. That's so stupid. That's such an NBA fight. That's like such an NBA thing to say. I feel like just listening to the description of what's going on with this is making my brain dissolve into complete nothingness.

Oh yeah, pretty much. I feel dumber as we speak as well. But our our producer, Hannah, thank god, she's here for contacts context, so I forgot lamar Odom at one point was in a coma and almost died. I don't know what he was in a coma from, but that's what Christan Thompson is referring to. Now it makes a little bit more sense. He said, God brought you back the first time from the coma play if you want different results with like the little shrug emoji, like, no,

I don't know. It looks like me when my math teacher asked me where my homework was in eighth grade. It's like, I don't know. So so he's gonna kill him, is what he's said. Putting back in a colma. Maybe do you have any thoughts, any cares about this, any fs to give? I mean, I want to care for the sake of the conversation, um, but I just don't. Don't. I don't, I really don't. I don't care at all.

I hate all that. I hate the Kardashians. You hate the k Yes, absolutely, I think I've been pretty vocal about that in the past. Calin loves them that she watches the show sometimes, so ilexit and watch with her and like, yeah, I can kind of see how they could be like mindless entertainment. But the fact that they're like idolized as much as they are is just so frustrating um as a society. I could do better. But that's my take. Yeah, No, I totally agree we give

power to the wrong people. Having said that, I will give them credit because I do feel like their business Mongols like Chris Jenner, she's done a pretty mongols. Isn't that a positive thing? To be fair? I just said mongle thinking it was, you know, a compliment. What does a Mongol mean? A Mongol is a person from the country of Mongolia, former country Mongolia. Could be mistaken on that. Mogul is what your okay, what's a mogul. It's like

a bit like a mogul. Yeah, like business mogul is like the top like you know, like I guess I don't know exactly what what the cynema synonym is there for, but yeah, so she guys, I was one letter off. That's not really that bad, especially coming from the Rhode Island public school system. But I digress. I actually respect the Kardashians because I was talking to this guy Dax Holt one time from TMZ and he he was on the podcast. I don't know if you remember Dax at all.

But he he said, it's so much listening. He said, it's so much harder to be famous just for being famous, which again, listen like you and I, I mean, you have many skills. I don't have that many skills, And for some reason, people care, like even about zero skills. Tiny. I'm like a negative. Actually I'm halfway decent at softball, and I feel like that brings me down a few pigs. But I digress. People care about our baby announcement. Why I don't know, but it's similar. That's why I hate.

I don't like hating on the Kardashians, because like, we're kinda in a small boat, like a similar boat, a very small boat compared to them. They're in a yacht. We're in like, you know, one of those called that those like um dinghies. We're in a dinghy together, Dean. I agree, I know. I see, I see you're saying. I agree. We are uh in similar waters but different ships. I guess it's kind of the analogy you're going for it,

and I agree. I I don't disagree. I I also think that, uh, you know, a lot of us shouldn't have the platform that we do, but yet here we are, like you said, talking to whoever wants to listen to this podcast, wherever they might be listening at. So I mean, I see your point. Um, I just think that you know, as as much of moguls as they are, they just do they said, a bad example for the youth of America and the youth of the world, and just kind

of frustmans frustrates me a little bit. But but you're right. I agree they're I mean, they're sticking around. They got staying power, they got star power. I think all we have to do, Jared, in order to get up to that level, has come out with a sex tape of our own, and perhaps we could be catapulted to the level of that trajectory. But um, yeah, I guess we'll never know. I know people from Bachelor that got offered to do a sex tape for money. Wait, yeah, it

was that great. It was not us. It was not us, And I won't say who it is. We need way more information. I don't see who it was, but tell us, like, what were they offered. I don't know exactly, but it was a good amount of money, but it was not enough for them to do it, and it was it was years. Interesting, so very interesting. I'll talk was it a man or a woman? It was a man and

a woman. I know, very interesting stuff, guys, But unfortunately I'm not gonna let me ask let me ask you well, so obviously we'll just let our listeners speculate on who they might think it is. Let me ask you this, how much would it offer out to be for you to do with something like that? Ashley and I've talked about it. We joked around about it. I think it was like ten mill and it was pretty good. That's like generational wealth more or less right there? Oh my god.

But then yeah, honestly, if our parents, you know, if our parents ever saw it, I'd be like, guys, we got paid ten million dollars to do this, and then be like, okay, that kind of makes sense. Maybe I would have done it too, I could. I could see you and actually getting like a nice uh like a nice Trojan condom deal or something, right, Yeah, I mean unfortunately a little bit too big, But I digress. We have some very special guests who are waiting for us

right now. Now. Rachel and Brittany from Love After a lock Up, which is of course on we TV, is joining us right after this break. Hey, welcome back to help I second dating Dean. Myself of course are here, but we have two very special guests from the show on we TV, which airs Friday's Love After lock Up. It is Brittany and Rachel. Brittan and Rachel, thank you so much for coming on. How are you? Brittan will start with you. How are you great? How are you guys?

We're doing well? Rachel, how are you? I am super excited. I'm doing well. How are you guys? Oh, we're doing just dandy. So listen. Of course we have to ask you guys about Love After lock Up. So Rachel, I'll start with you. You are with Doug on the show. Uh, and this is not your first time dating a prisoner, Am I right? You're absolutely right. Like I've been accusing

the in the past in my single days. I'm married now and we're expecting a child, but I've been accusing the past of like having a thing for bartenders, Like anytime I go into a bar, my friends are like, you always find the bartenders super attractive. So is that kind of like your thing or your friends like you just love inmates, that's your thing? You know, it's a funny journey. I think everybody kind of just has a type in our taste evolves over time. If that makes

any sense. You'll be like, oh, let me just date like you know, I'm into the attorney saying, let me date like five attorneys, or let me date the guy that likes to skateboard or the person who likes to climb rocks or whatever, you know what I mean, whatever it is, I guess. Yeah, it kind of fell in that way, and it kind of I just kind of, I don't know, stuck with me, I guess, And look

where I am. Yeah, absolutely, I got questions for Rachel because we gotta we gotta get to the beginning of that a little bit more so, this is your third relationship with an inmate. Tell us, can you tell us like how the first two started and then how this one started as well, just at like my own curiosity. Yeah, I will try to keep the story short as possible. But I did date someone who had a prison background in the free world, that which was by first encounter. Um,

he was different. I'd never dated anybody like him, and you know, it was kind of scary looking. Tattoos on the face, tattoo all over the body. But we had really fun, passionate sex. We had a great relationship and it was fun, and I just, you know, I enjoyed what we had for the time that we had because sadly he had suddenly passed away. Yeah, this prediction. Yeah, So after that, and I didn't know anything about addiction.

I don't have addiction. I um empathize with it greatly, but I was really angry at myself for never noticing and recognizing the signs of it. So after that, I just started getting really involved into that community by trying to give back and trying to um make sure that something like that never happened to somebody else ever again. So you know, it was part of my grieving process. It was part of the way that I was trying

to deal with his passing. And I, I guess it's just something that was like, you know, I knew where to find it now, so maybe I can find something better, something lasting, something drug free. Um okay, I guess it was just the way of of me coping with grief. I guess, yeah, that's understandable. Yeah, because my my second relationship, my husband at the time, did struggle with addiction, and I thought that was something that I could help with,

which has nothing absolutely to do with me whatsoever. I learned that and I realized that that was that was, that was enough of that relationship, and it was time for me to move on. Gotcha. So so for the most of these relationships, you're meeting them out of prison and then one way or another day will find a way back or how does it work. I missed a little bit of details too, so because of my first inmate relationship that was in the free world and we

met on normal conditions through a date whatever. You know. He had always talked about how it bothered him that his family never wrote him, people never visited him. So that was also another part of my grieving process was to try to think that maybe there's somebody out there

that would like to correspond to somebody. So I felt like I was doing something nice for somebody else and trying to just be an ear or a pin power or whatever to support and do something that I would think that he would have wanted me to do, if that makes sense. So that was why I chucked out, like, well, maybe there's somebody out there who feels very misguided even though like my life isn't altogether. Maybe I can try and just maybe listen to somebody else too. None of

our lives are together, I'll tell you that much. Uh did you meet Doug? Was you met Doug before he went to prison? Right? No? He meant him in prison, that's right. Yeah, Um, how did that happen? So that's why I said, I had no idea that there was ever even a pen pall website. So that was my first time trolling through that. Um it was called writer

prisoner dot com. It makes them put themselves up on there to try to get correspondence from people, and honestly, it's pretty interesting some of these people's bios that are on there, just looking for hey, how are you. I just want to talk to someone and tell them about their you know, crappy day or where they were that they would rather be. So whatever. It was long story short, scrolling through the profiles and I'm like, this one is kind of cute. Let me write them. So that's just

kind of what I did. But under the preconditions that it was only friendship. That was the first thing that I said, This is a friendship. Where you at where you had it? What do you? What are you trying to do with your life. Do you have any goals? Do you want to go to school? Do you want to you know, how are you trying to improve your self type thing? And that was like the basis of our conversation and with me being me, just talking, being

totally casual. You know, two weeks later it's like, oh, I think I love you and I was like, wait, no, no, no, I'll killed it out. It chilled out this think that like you got your in your twenties, you needed experiment with other women, try their things, like build that part of your life in before you think you want to settle down with someone like me. So yeah, I think it adds a whole bunch of new dynamics to a relationship.

And this is which gears a little bit Brittany. So, Brittany, you're with Ray, that's right, and you guys, kind of what's your backstory? You've been Ray? Brittany? Oh yeah, so, um Ran I actually met on Facebook. He has a Facebook page. You can't really you can't tell it all that he's in jail. It's just a normal Facebook page. Or he had his cell phone while he was in prison.

He was not opposed to so he slid in my b MS and he waked and I was like, okay, I'm I'm at work, my second job, chilling on board. I'm waked back, and then we just kind of started talking from there. And then how long did it take before you found out that, oh, you're in prison right now? Well he actually told me that in the first conversation, but he said it kind of weird. He was like, yeah, I'm a little lockdown right now. I was like, what do you mean, like lock down at word lockdown? Like

what do you mean lockdown? And then he was like fed. And then I'm thinking, if you're the fas, you don't have a cell phone? Boys, shut up. So we just like switched gears onto a different subject. So then he was like, do you mind if I video chat and call you. I was like, cool, okay, so set up the video chat. It looks like he's in a restroom or this brick wall behind him. You could I could already. I was like, are you in a hospital at bath room? Where are you? And it's loud and prison it so loud,

like the guys are screaming. I was like, you're in jail. You're in jail for real? Huh, how do you have this cell phone? You know? So I kind of got scared. I did, and I was like, all right, you can't be calling me. They might get your phone track my number. I don't want to get in trouble. So we kind of back back off of that and continue to message, like here and there, just kept building up and building

up itself. Here we are now. So I know that you're your your family, specifically, your mom has had a little bit of a difficult time with this. UM you know, what is your Do you think that your mom will ever change your opinion about the relationship you and have. UM, No, I don't. I don't think she'll ever change her opinion, especially because how it started, where it was and the obstacles he'll have to cross, um basically starting his life over.

And I'm like pretty much in the middle of mine now, I'm thirty four years old, So she kind of thinks I need to be with somebody more established. I respect what she's saying, but UM, if you guys stay tuned and follow up, you'll see how she kind of maybe

or maybe not comes around, but it gets pretty intense. Well, I wanted to ask about that because, you know, we have a lot of people who ask us, you know, how important is it for parental uh you know, uh acceptance when dating someone, Because we have a lot of emailers say I love this person, but you know, my my mom, my dad, sister, my best friend, they do

not approve and they're seeing something that I don't see. UM. So I wanted to talk to you a little bit about how difficult it is to navigate a relationship where you're with some one who you know you love, but you have somebody that you also love telling you this might not work out. Yeah, that's that's extremely difficult, especially when you're in like a close, tight knit family. I think I go to my parents hosp for dinner like four or five times a week. We're always getting together

on the weekends. We're like best friends, my sisters, my brother, you know, we're always together. So I found it hard to How can I be in two places at once if my mom is saying I don't want him at my house, I don't want anything to do with him, and then there's a family get together that of course I don't want to miss. So it's really hard. My just my take on that is my mom does not believe in a lot of talk, Like I could sit here over and over and tell her how great Ray

is and all the plans he has. She's more of

like a show me person. So I think people can get through those obstacles if they really believe in their partner, and you know, just by being patient and just letting it happened, Like you know, eventually people will start to see like, oh, I see what she loves them definitely, Rachel, Yeah, I wanted to kind of come back to you and talk about I don't I'm not sure exactly what your family or your friends think about you dating someone who's currently in prison, but obviously this is your third go

around with this, so they must be a little accustomed to it. So how do how do you navigate that? Because I'm sure you've had some pushback with people saying, hey, don't, don't go after this person, they need to get their own life together. That's percent true. I have gone through those childs and tribulations. I have had family members completely cut me off and be done with me, and that support me, and I understand that I respect it and

I give them their space. I you know, my life decisions doesn't have to be accepted by everybody, so I have I have to respect that. Like I am literally putting myself in a very risque, messy position, so why would I want? I mean, But at the same time, like I've never didged anybody else for who they wanted to be with. If it's what made them happy, I'm there to support that. But people are so used to me being mess I guess don't worry about that one.

They're either with me for the ride or they're not, and it's okay, And I accepted. There's like I said, you know, there's eight billion people in the world, someone else who want to be my friend. And you know, family is kind of what you make it sometimes, you know. But I mean, I still my parents hunter percent have always had me my back, so that's grateful to them. Um, I know I've caused them a lot of stress and gray hair and um maybe sleepless nights at times, but

there still there for me. And that's kind of all that matters, is like my you know, that's part of the ride, right there, isn't it. You know, the ups and downs which we all go through. And you and both you, you know, Rachel and Brittany, you both have kind of voluntarily put yourself in long distance relationships a little bit. So I'll start with you, Brittany, how do

you plan, you know, alone time? How do you make sure that you guys are working on the relationship together, Because, as we all know, relationships take work, they take effort. And now you guys are not only in a long distance relationship, but you're in a relationship with someone that it's very difficult to have that quality time that you need to have in relationship. So I'll start with you, Bertie, how do you guys, how do you in ray make sure that happens. Um. The only way really we could

make sure that happens is just communication. Like we have a schedule where we talk, we have a schedule where we based come when we email. We have to just really communicate and we talk about everything, like it's not always just about just the relationship, is about like goals and what's going on in my life or what's going on, you know in the prison. Like it's just conversation about everything. So communication is the only way to make this work. Ye,

what about you, Rachel Um? You know, oh yeah, it's absolutely communication and just being transparent with one another. But you know, like every relationship, you have your ups in your downs, and I definitely have to keep tuning in to see, Yeah, you don't want to spoil anything. I get that. I hate when we're not able to spoil things because I've got a lot of pressing questions for stuff that's gonna be spoiled in the show. I guess at some point I wonder if you guys can answer

this though, So what do you guys? Do we know how much longer Doug and Ray sentences are for? Like, what's kind of the long term goal for the relationship do you think for both of you guys? So right now, in the last episode, you saw Always drop Ray off at the halfway house. So that's where we are with that.

When Ray was released, he has to have an angle monitor, you know, that might have been a little spoiler, and he has to also be on Superrise like parole, so three years of that, so there's still some time dealing. You know, Well, he'll always forever deal with the system because he's a convicted fell in now, but it's just you know, now we got to now we've got to

deal with the po It's not bad, Rachel. Yeah, Um, for jog and I, uh, let's see, he's been released from prison and now he is on an ankle monitor where he needs to be home by five pm every single day and he's not allowed to leave the house on the weekends. Um. Yeah, he's not glad to have alcohol,

r be seen in bars and things like that. So this is gonna be a new well adjusted journey to see him, um try to cope from being locked into a prison cell to being like I've got literally like eight hours to do what i need to get done and be back to the house. Yeah. Yeah, totally, especially

with like so much temptations. You know, there's not that I'm sure there's temptations in prison, but not nearly as much as they're in real life, where like you said, like he's not supposed to go to a bar, and it's like, well, I want to go to a bar, like I want to drink. You know, it's stuff. It's an interesting and interesting flip from going from them spending all the time in prisoner only having to communicate through cell phone and email, to then having them around the

house a percent of the time. It's like a you know, it's kind of one extreme to the next sort of thing. But I will say, uh, from someone that comes from a family, some of my family members have had inkle monitors when I was growing up, and some of my best friends from college also had inkle monitors in college with me, So I I mean, I can attest it. It's definitely like a mentally taxing experience that that that

it puts them through. But both of the people that I'm close with came out of it a better person because of it too. So um, there's definitely a good light at the end of the tunnel for all that kind of stuff. Well, Brittany and Rachel, thank you so much for joining us. We really appreciate it. Um. Once again, everybody go check out Love After lock Up, which of course airs on we TV Friday's. Uh, you can catch Rachel and Brittany on there. And once again, ladies, thank

you so much for joining us. Best of luck with your endeavors and best of luck in your relationships. What is going on? Everyone, welcome back to help I suck at dating. Fortunately you're not corre ordered to listen to this podcast, so thanks for sticking with us because we really appreciate it. It's time for It's time for our favorite set well, my favorite segment of this podcast, which uh, you know, these technical are so stop that jingle has to come in. Hopefully the mic has been going better

this time too. But anyways, we're gonna get the emails. We've got a couple of juicy ones. Actually even an email from an old familiar name. You guys are gonna hear. But Mark, Mark, if you are willing enough to read it, I guess we could have you go for it if you're down. I know, I know you're a busy guy over there. I'm very busy, Thank you very much. We're going with anonymous first, of course, all right, Well nextually, as I've been hooking up with this guy for the

past few weeks. Um. We had a physical relationship before COVID, but stopped seeing each other and didn't talk most of us two when everything was locked down. Now that we've started hooking up again, everything seems different. He's way more intentional than it was in the past. He calls me every day, trying to hang out multiple times a week,

takes me to dinner, other things. We didn't do any of those things in the past, and I considered myself a hunter percent single because there was no guilt, no shame, no nothing. Was flirting and hooking up with other guys was all fine, But now that he's acting more interested in us, I'm confused. So I asked him, I said, how would you feel if I hooked up with someone else? And he said, well, you're still single, that what you

want doesn't change anything with us. I'm still gonna want to spend time with you and hook up even if we decided to go that route. I take his words as the truth, but I can't help wondering if he's testing me. And do you guys think I need to tell him if I do end up looking with someone else. Uh? I think you should definitely tell him if you hope, I was gonna say, I think that's definitely the first thing to establish is if you do hook up with someone and then you want to hook up with him again.

He's definitely know about that, So go ahead and make that. Put that check in the definitely call him. I don't know what do you think about this, Yeared, because I my first instinct is I almost think that Anonymous should consider herself lucky, because I feel like typically it's the flip version of this, where it's the girl that wants things to get serious, and the guy that's kind of like,

you know, I don't really want to do that. But it sounds like in this case, the guy is kind of the one that's like, you know, this is what I want. He's kind of like it's based off of the very very limited information that we have, it seems like he's kind of like being patient, letting you take your time, not putting any pressure on you. So just based off all that information, in my head, it sounds like he seems like a pretty good guy. And so maybe I don't know, maybe you should give him a

real chance, But I don't know. What do you think, Jared? Yeah, I guess it really comes down to what what does anonymous want? Do you want to be in a relationship or do you not want to be in a relationship, Because if you want to be in one, I would say try to pursue one with this guy. He seems very into you. You guys go out multiple times, he calls you. He's being very intentional towards you. I mean,

that's you guys go out to dinner. It does see me like you guys are kind of boyfriend girlfriend without being boyfriend girlfriend and for him to be so understanding of you saying, hey, I might hook up with other people. I mean, good God, maybe he is. Just it's one of two things. Either he's madly in love with you and he wants you to take your time, or too he's doing the same thing where he's hooking up with other people. So Anonymous like you need to be aware

of that as well. Sure you're like, oh, I'll tell you if I'm hooking up with someone else, but my gut tells me he might be hooking up with someone else too. So I would establish some ground rules. I would say, if you guys are hooking up, you have to be completely transparent with one another. If he hooks up with someone, you tell him or he tells you.

And then if you hook up with someone, you tell him, because then you get into like you know, like STD territory and then like they're sleeping around like that's like some sketchy area you don't want to be in. So I would lay some ground rules down. I would either say, like, we are completely transparent with one another, or like, I don't know, try to date each other? Why not? But

I think these things we've talked about this before. They only work until someone catches feelings, and I think he has, so it's probably time to either commit to him as a boyfriend or stop this because he's gonna get hurt real bad. That's what I think. Well I was gonna say too, I Uh, I kind of almost maybe want to play Devil's advocate for the bad side of the guy, because maybe he's saying, like, yeah, go do what you're gonna do. I still want to hang out and hook

up and all that kind of stuff. Maybe he's saying that he, like Jared said, so he can keep doing that as own accord. But then he's gonna do it and then not communicate that back to you. So if you do decide to kind of carry on with what

you're doing, just communicate. That's like the biggest thing is not just communicate each hookup that you have, but make sure that that is understood before you carry on moving forward, and say that if you're gonna keep looking up with people, you have to tell me about it, because that's like Mark said, one person is gonna catch feelings and it's gonna go south really quick, so or catch something where

you're gonna catch chlamydia. Well, I agree with Dean though, this could be like a little out a free pass for this dude because maybe he was operating with a little guilt because maybe he was hooking up with other people as well. But then he found out that you were hooking up with other people, and now he's like, yeah, go do it have fun, Like I still want to hook up with you, but all the while he's been hooking up with other people, so now he feels just

guilt free. So I agree with Dean. Laid out some ground is all we can do for Nick. Please keep sending us your emails. It's our favorite parts. The only reason Dean sticks around. I suck at dating at I heart media dot com. A big thank you to our two wonderful guests, Brittany and Rachel from of Course we TVs Love After a lock Up, which airs nine pm on Friday nights. Big thank you to lamar Odom and Tristan Thompson for giving us just a horrible headline I'm

not gonna lie and that no one cares about. Like Tristan Thompson's not even with Kloy Kardashian anymore. What does he do in bickering over lamar Odom anyway? I digress, Dean anything else now? Jerry think he knocked it out of the park. Not really all right, Joan's next week, Well, hopefully we all suck just a little less. Follow help by Suck at Dating on I Heart Radio or wherever you listen to podcast h