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the employees about their dating life? See if they'll just open onto us, sign a waiver, let them know, let us know their deepest darkness secrets. Sorry, I'm gonna crack a Pelle Greener right now. Nice Irish crickets love it not to be here. Unfortunately, we should drink on this podcast, man, we should just get drunk and then just like tell our worst stories and then see if it gets picked up by us Weekly and get some more listeners. You know,

Mars Mark shaking his head because we ask you. Man, See, this is a random done before. You Just not eat for one hour a week can make it for a really good podcast. It's just really one hour a week. And I know getting Dan anywhere near a phone or WiFi or a computer for one hour a week is asking enough that I shouldn't add to that by saying, please don't eat for the following sixty minutes. Yeah, what are You're shoveling food in your mouth? Jared's cracking open

beverages like, come on, guys, professional broadcasting here. Oh no, I guess the reason for me eating was I wanted to at least let people know that I'm patronizing the restaurant here and I'm not just stealing some WiFi for the next hour. Yeah, and mine was for creative content. I figured a nice little crack people there like, all right, maybe I should crack open a beer with this guy, even though it's not appearance of sparkling water mark. You except our reasoning. We do, but we also have to

read Dan's email from last night. Oh sure, this is what we deal with trying to put this podcast together. This came at ten o'clock last night. Hey guys, So tomorrow I'm driving this big stretch in Mexico. I run online. It's pretty sketch when it comes to reception, and it is similar drive today and had a reception most of the day. I might stop an hour beforehand. Hopefully it

uplicks with Wi Fi. Just want to let you know that the chance I gets stuck in a dead zone, so I guess we should just be thankful you here at all. Yeah, well you didn't even finish it. I said, it's it's unlikely but not impossible, right, that's just really you in a nutshell, and listen, like like you said, here, I am at a restaurant in sand Felipe, So I guess to add some uh context to that message. I'm driving from essentially from Salita up into Los Angeles, and

it's a thirty hour drive. Obviously you can't drive all thirty hours in one stretch because that's insanity. And so I drove ten hours, drove ten hours yesterday, and I'm driving ten hours today and today the first six hours of the drive is through like desolate Mexican Highway and I haven't had service all day until literally twenty minutes ago, where I was like, I don't know how I did this. I woke up without an alarm and I timed it perfectly. And here I am so you know, just went in

by the seat of his pants. It's pisting angler. It help eyes. I got get dating. I gotta say too. I crossed the border into Baja California at the beginning of the drive, neely lost service, and so I thought that I had an extra hour because that it pushed up me back an hour and I was like, oh, I've got until one pm. Turns out no, I only had until noon. So it's just a whole cavalcade of chaos. Where do you park the van to sleep? Um, there's a lot of like beach access roads you can drive

down that are pretty safe. Last night, I parked in a motel parking lot that has like big van parking. Um, you know, you kind of just figured out. I parked in RV park like two nights ago, paid twenty bucks. Is Kylen with you or you alone? No, I'm solo. I don't think she would like it. If she was with me, she would definitely not be happy. It's more of a solo thing, you know. Also, on the way

down from Vegas, it's how you elits. It's not a thirty hours And I had my my guy friend drive with me because it's a little more of a guy trip than a girl tripp. So this is a cool thing I have. My email was set up to receive emails from the future and I just got one from Dean and twenties only four. Oh yeah, yeah, I read to you right now is Hey, guys, I was backpacking from encoward Ista. We want to end up in a

Turkish prison. Sucks. Sorry. The good news is local laws allow us to do one podcast a week, so I'll try to be on. Unfortunately, the WiFi here is not great in self block upside down h with a line through it, so we'll see how it goes. The good news is the delousing means that went up to shower for another month. Turkish prisons for the wind see tomorrow.

Unlikely but not impossible xl x D. You know my favorite part of the whole email is Mark, you're just assuming that this podcast is still going to be around by multiple People's Choice awards a better obvious. I mean, let's you're right. If we're in three years from now, we're still recording, and it's I'll gladly go to Turkish prison for a week for that to happen. So you're down in Siulita, right now, Dean, No, I'm in San Felipe. Well you were down in a Ulita driving back right. Yeah.

You remember the podcast from two weeks ago when I was like, hey, remember I was getting married in thirty minutes. Let's make this snappy. No, I know, but so you've

been down there the whole time? No, And I flew up to Babysit Happy for a week, and then I flew back like six days ago two parts of Arta, which is essentially yeah, it's an hour south, and then drove up to Salili Differ a couple of days, drove up to Maslan for a day, buried my car across to Cabo, and then have been driving up from Cabo for the past two days. Well, dammit, Dina, I was gonna try to start some rumors because Nick and Natalie, uh Nick val and just going for Natalie apparently are

and saw Ulita. So I was gonna start some rumors that maybe you were down in Paradise because that's where they filmed the show. With Nick making a cameo, could have had this whole thing going like, so were you in Paradise? That's the question that I should we start the Nick rumor? I'm gonna start the Nick rumor, the Dean and the fun because you were down and sell you Leita, Nick was down there. Uh, maybe you guys are the new host after David's fade. Um. Yeah, David

speaks down there hosting Klin telling about that. No, it'sunny because Nick texted me like an hour ago and he's like, hey, imn'n tell you, lad, are you still here? And I was like no, I literally just left, like you know, four or five days ago. Uh. I was like, Oh, he's gotta be down there to host, So that's what

he's down there for. Then it's to host. I truly have no idea, but I was going to start some rumors on this podcast with like you going down there and hosting one week, and then Nick and Natali are going to be down there next week. And then I was gonna be like, oh, yeah, Ashley and I have a trip next week, and then we're going to start all this news worthy type rumor speculation. And now it's all because you were just driving a van. I guess to set the record straight, I did ask him he's

not down there for hosting. He's down there for his cousin's wedding. Allegedly, but also that seems like a perfect excuse to use when you're down there to host something and you don't want people to know you're down there to host something, so you said you're at your cousin's wedding. Totally, It's kind of like when you ask a cop like are you a cop? And if they say I'm not a cop, that's exactly what a cop would say, you know what I mean? Yeah, I wouldn't really equate to

that at all. But let's agree to disagree on this thing, all right. Well, we do have a great podcast coming up that we're gonna talk about dating at some point. We have Adam Cohen alsat Uh. He is the founder of the smore dating app up just like s'mores, which I had smores over this past weekend of Memorial daying. God, they're so freaking good. But anyway, he is the founder of a small dating app which is apparently the first anti superficial relationship app. They're kind of calling it that

love is blind for dating apps. So we're gonna talk to him later about his dating app, but for right now, we had something last week that we wanted to talk about but we didn't have time because we were just jam packed with good stuff. And there was an article on Cosmopolitan about dating hacks bringing a crystal with you on a first date. Obviously, my dog Lois is very excited about this topic. So on the Cosmopolitan article, it says, there are a few things you probably take with you

on every date. Your phone, your wallet, your keys, your face mask. Oh, your face mask, that's right. I was thinking, like some sort of beauty mask for girls. I was like, who the hell would do that? Anyway? Uh, this article says, let me suggest one more, bring a crystal. Crystals act as conductors and amplifiers that transmit and transform your energy and potentially the energy of people around you. They are mood changers, energy lifters, and power boosters. Now who wouldn't

want that type of cosmic help? Dean, have you ever heard of this bringing crystals on a first date to like get good energy out of it? I mean, I'm familiar with the crystals and their ability to sense auras, et cetera. You seem like a crystal type guy. I could I could tell you. So you walking around with some crystals for some good energy in the van? No? I actually, I actually kind of really take offense to that, so please don't ever say that again. Uh yeah, you know,

I have experience means crystals to a degree. I would never be an advocate for them personally, but if someone brought one on a first date, I'd say, you know, why not, let's let's explore this. If you explore this crystal. If you were on a date they brought crystal and they were like, yeah, I bring this every first day

I go on, what would your first thought be. I would think that she probably is going on many first dates for that one reason, and maybe not bringing that for the next one would save her a little bit of heartache. But yeah, I would say it's probably likely to get a second date after that kind of uh stick. But you know who doesn't love who doesn't love an underdog? Well, I would he doesn't love an under talking d That's

why we love Rocky. I don't think it's that weird, Like, I mean, didn't people used to carry around rabbit's foot. That's kind of like, that's no more right. Peter got in the middle of that one. You can't carry around a lucky rabbit's foot. I remember the rabbit's foot thing. I don't think they are again the same thing at all. I feel like we're talking about parallels. The parallels you're trying to draw today, are hold on? Are they're asking

for a lot more. If somebody brings a crystal to a first date for good luck, a rabbits foot was the same thing, because what you're failing to understand is the crystal. It's not a good luck charm. The crystal, Oh, it's a conductor of good energy. The crystal is essentially a resource for that person to channel energy through and from and out of an into and help better understand the chemistry between her and the person that she's on a date with. The rabbits foot is just a lucky's

rabbit's foot. That's like me walking around with my my freaking lucky rock that I have. I'm not a big, a big like believer in that type of stuff. So you have a lucky rock, do you think it brings you luck? Or is it like just in your head that you think you'll have bad luck if you don't have it. No. I actually used to be super super superstitious. Now I'm only a little stitious, But I do bring

the rock with me in my van everywhere I go. Um, it's just a rock that I collected from a mountain peak that I climbed, which I probably shouldn't say because technically that's illegal, and I don't want anyone to think that I take rocks from everywhere that I go. It was just the very first big mountain that I climbed.

It the time little pebble, And I hope we can maybe cut this out because I feel like I don't want people to know me as the guy that collects rocks from mountaintops again, because it's illegal and I'm not condoning that activity. Uh, it was just a special moment to me, and I took it. Okay, I took it, and I have and I've had it for I've had it for like ten years, maybe like twelve years. Um, it's just a part of the leave no trace mentality. You know, you go and you peck out all your trash.

You you don't let anyone know where you slept. You kind of like leave that as it is, and you don't take anything from the places that you visit as well. Can you imagine if you know thousands of people that go to the Grand Canyon every single day, we're taking rocks all the time. Eventually there'd be no more rocks in the Grand Canyon. Yeah, that's a fair point. Take only memories, leave only flip prints exactly, Take only pictures, leave only for prints. That's the one I'm more familiar with.

But yeah, it's more or less the same, the same. My sister's law isn't is in town right now, and yesterday so she flew in and yesterday she broke a mirror apparently, like a big gas mirror that goes into a closet, and she opened a door and he was leaning against it and the thing shattered. And she was getting on a plane the next day, and she was terrified because obviously if you break a mirror, you're supposed

to have seven years of bad luck. She made it here safe and sound knockout would and it got me thinking, I don't really believe in that stuff. Not to bring it back to Tom Brady, but I'm gonna bring it back to him. He made a video like seven years ago of like walking under it because he's not superstitious at all, and he walked under a ladder, he broke a mirror, he did something else. It's supposed to bring you like fifty years of bad luck, and the dude

went on to win through serve Bowls. So for me, let's say this. Let's say this, Let's say maybe had he not done those things, he would have won six super Bowls because he did that, the bad luck he only made it went three. I don't believe that. I I'm not a big like Crystal guy. I was never the guy that like didn't change his socks. Not. I was never that good of an athlete in high school. So it's not like I ever was like on a hitting streak, but I never changed my socks regardless if

we were on some sort of winning streak. Um. But Riley, I know you had some a list of certain things that you could be creepy, could be cool. Um on if you brought it on a first date or not? I do I'm very curious for these ten items. Um, we talked about the rabbit's foot, but a few more items. If somebody brought lucky socks, underwear or a condom on a date, would this be weird? On? Hold on, how are we like just lumping in a condom with socks

and underwear? How did that? How did that get on the lumped on top of each other these were submitted, so I think somebody does have this on their mind. Yeah, I got news for you. Somebody brought first of all, is the condom used? No? Right, Okay, I just I'm preferacing. I'm just giving context the story. Okay, Mark, Okay, sure, I'll allow it. It's weird regardless. Yeah, I think like in movies at least they have like the lucky condom in their wallet. Is that a thing that's not a

lucky condom? That's like in case they need to use that condom that night, which is always a good thing to act. I guess it is lucky if it ends up being thrown away at the end of the night. I think she's saying, like, are you is it possible you could jinx it by bringing it with you? Is it? Is it weird? Like obviously I would hope that she doesn't know that you brought one to dinner because that's going to kind of send things in the wrong direction. But it's good to have just in case, or are

you jinxing it by bringing it? I have a story actually about a scenario very similar to this, but unfortunately my wife is in the other room, so I am not saying it, but it involved maybe something in my wallet or something not in my wallet, because maybe I was thinking like Mark, and I didn't want to, you know, get ahead of myself, count my chickens before they hatch, if you will, And and then of course I was in some sort of predicament where you know, it was you.

I'll leave it at that. Okay, fair, But I think lucky underwear is legit because lucky underwear might be underwear you particularly feel good and confident in, and that's going to increase your odds of having a good date. Yeah, is that like just underwear that doesn't have holes in it in your case? Yes? Yeah, Like I make sure I wear like my nice pair of boxers. I wouldn't call them lucky, I'd call them the newest ones I have.

Um yeah, sorry, my headphones. I had like halfen through that, and so I can, like, you know what, I'm gonna just go ahead and take a quick five minute intermission, real quick, and get my charget for the headphones. So that way we're not doing this whole podcast about my headphones. Is that okay? Yeah? Whatever helps man? All right, Jared, Mark Riley, you guys got this up here? Back all right, Well, let's hell, he's back for the guests, Riley, do you

want to continue with the list? Yeah, let's move on. So our our next one goes with the crystal. What if somebody brought sage? Alright, Sage is the smelling one, right, Yeah, it's like light on fire too. That's a that's a big check. Please, that's a little intense if she's trying to clear because sage is meant to like give positivity, right and clear the air of all animosity and negativity. Yeah, so it's like clearing the spirits or the negativity around

any list. And if we've got a clear spirits when we first sit down on our first date, like, this isn't gonna work out. By the way, Jared, I need to call you out because I also I think crystals are silly. I don't believe in sage and stuff. But I'm a hypocrite because when Green Bay is playing, I am dressed head to toe in Green Bay garb because it's good luck. I assume the same as for you. I don't think it's good luck. I'm just I'm a homer, Like I love wearing jerseys. But would you would you

wouldn't you? Feel like if you didn't wear a jersey, it's like bad energy, bad mojo something. No, I'm just not the type of guy I like when watching a game, Like a lot of people are, like I like to joke around with my friends, like if somebody's been standing up the entire game and we're losing and then they sit down and we start winning, them like, you better not get the hell up. But I know it has

nothing to do with the game. I have fun with it now, Like anytime I wear a jersey or anything like that, it's just because I like being like that, that hometown fan that's like a douche bag. Alright, fair enough, all right, what's next? Probably what about if somebody brought like cliff notes or stats about you, like they had

things written down. What do you mean they have my rookie card, just like information about you, like little notes so that they remember, I mean, or where you went to high school, talked about I guess, yeah, if we've talked about them, that'd be pretty cute. If they're like, oh, I know, we've talked about your dog before and I wanted to make sure I remember their name. Yeah, that's

that's that's kind of adorable. Now, listen, if we've never met before, like if we never really talked on that much, and they brought like like, for example, if I was on the show and then like they had all these stats about me, like oh yeah, you were fourth and and you got elimited week five and Bachelor in Paradise, I'm like, Okay, this is a little weird. I agree, that would be a little weird. That would be weird. I do think I think it's okay to do that.

It's okay to take notes on these people, but I don't think it's great if you let them know that you've taken notes on them. I think it's better to just kind of use it for a little reminders for yourself. When they go to the bathroom, you can quick look and see what their mom's name is, and he'll be impressed when you get back. Kind of like cheating on

a high school test. Do you ever have like the gator the gatorade bottle and like one side had the label ripped off and you put like the cheat sheet in the gatorade balls, So you're just staring at it, but the teacher couldn't see because the label was on the outside. That was always good. When you can do that in the first date, you could or wear a hat and wear it at the top. Yeah, there we go. You're like, yeah, your mom, um, Nancy, that's right, Nancy, Yeah,

your mom. I remember that. Um. So the next one we have is what if somebody brings no purse, no bag, no wallet, they're just bear, well, how are they going to pay? What these like Apple pay or like some like I like it. I like I like just being clean when I'm out and about. I love it. I don't I have a wallet anymore. When it's fantastic, you don't have a wallet anymore. Nope, I got everything in the back of my phone. You're there, so that's pretty much your wallet, I guess. So. But it's one thing,

it's one item, and that's the best. That is the best. Uh yeah, I mean yeah, be minimalistic as long as you can, like offer to pay, and that's all I really care about. Sorry, really quick, I just have to say this is that's like in forgetting Sara marshillaries like I don't wear watching anymore. Mans go with the flow and plus the times on my phone. Yeah, you have a wallet, it's on your phone case because not a wallet. My wallet, that's right here. I don't use it anymore,

stay in the drawer. I switched to one of those ridge wallets, like the little metal ones. I like them a lot more. Dude, I'm not joking. My back used to hurt because I would have such a thick ass wall, because I would keep every credit card, every business card, every I since I truly became George Costanza. Alright, Dean's back. Hey guys, I'm so sorry. All right, Riley, want to get to the next one. Yeah, let's do it. So the next one. What if somebody has diet restrictions they

bring their own food. Well, I mean, you have diet restrictions, you can't do much about that. I guess I'd rather have that than somebody go to the restaurant and be like, Hi, I know this is your menu, but I'm going to create my own thing and you're gonna do it because I have diet restrictions. Do you are actually have diet restrictions with each other? With each other? Hits you're live. I believe someone. I believe they're making up blended margarite. Nice, dude,

you should get me one of those. I love your show. So much. I'd like to be clear they're not for me. Okay, hey, no judgment if they were. Ashley is allergic to mango, but apparently she doesn't know anymore as she just informed me. So no diet restrictions on this end. Oh nice. Well, So Caitlin is like vegan like twenty days out of the month, and so, uh, it's been It's not a challenge, but sometimes you have to pick the restaurants that we go to because she only has so many options to

choose from twenty eight days out of the month. Does she cheat three days out of the month. Uh, yeah, every once in a while, she just like have cheese or something. Yeah, vegan at the time of the month where you crave iron. Yeah, she is iron deficient actually, uh, and so she needs to figure out a lead and just more iron. I don't know how she's been doing that. Maybe she's been taking vitamins or something, but it's definitely something that we're working on. I don't know. So she

can't eat dairy, I mean she can't. She just chooses not to. I don't know how anybody could choose not to eat dairy. That's a tough one. Yeah, I don't really like dairy though. The only good dairy product I think. I feel like his ice cream cheese. No, cheese is so overhyped, so outside your mind. Have you ever had fresh parmesan like I've had every kind of cheese, crudy board,

like fresh parmesan, salami. I mean, there's a time and place for cheese, but I think that cheese is just the people think that you can put cheese and anything it's gonna be good, and no it's not. There's a time and place when cheese is good, charcooterie being one of those times and places. But like an omelet, for instance, an omelet is already good about cheese. There's no need

to put cheese in it. And then what restaurants do is they're just like loaded up with as much cheese as possible and then just becomes cheese with other things around it. And it's like, I don't want that. I don't want to melted MONZRELI stick for breakfast. I just think that they hold the cheese sometimes. I don't know most of the times cheese is in there, I'm in there too. What do you guys think about cheese? Yeah, let us know. Email us that. I second, what are

your thoughts on cheese? Reminding the email address I suckon dating at iHeart media dot com. Tell us how annoyed you are by my antics today, and also tell us how much you hate cheese and what you would maybe substitute cheese for if you could. Is that a select? There's a photo on the wall behind you of two men and I decide out of a female. And I'm wondering if that's a celebrity that's been to that restaurant

posing with the owners. You know, I have no idea, but I bet you one of you guys will know if it is a celebrity. It's too blurry. I can't tell. Can you ask the waiter who it is? Uh? Can we see if we can get you on the wall? Just let them know who you are. Excuse me, I'm I'm currently hosting my hit I Heart radio podcast. Help I sucondating? Can I get on this wall? Can we take a photo of the three of them? Yeah? And by the way, I'll take two frozen margarita? Is do

You'm gonna ask? I can ask? Please? Please? Well? Yeah? Ask? And we gotta take a quick break. Oh boy, here we go. I'll be honest. There's a lot of pictures on the wall here, so I think they're gonna be famous people. Uh can Famosa. Oh oh, they're just friends of the restaurant. I see, Okay, well that was see well, so some of them to answer us, thank you so much.

That's what that's so there. It is, they're just friends of the restaurant that looked really nice that they wanted to take a picture up and put him on the wall. We'll still take those two. Margarita's right, we're gonna take a quick break. But right after that break, we have the founder of s'more dating app, Adam Cohen Alsati. I'm trying to segu people. We're gonna take a quick break. Hey, welcome back to help I suck at dating. I'm in

Ashley's glam Room. Dean is somewhere in Mexico at a coffee shop or a restaurant, surrounded by people who going to prom any who. We have a great guest lined up. He is the founder of the smore dating app, which is the world's first anti superficial relationship app. It is Adam Cohen, Ala Salti, Adam, thank you so much for joining us. How are you? I am doing underfully. I

am now in California. Took a week out of New York City, the hustle and bustle of that city, to get some sun because I'm pasty white from the last eighteen months. So uh so I'm feeling good. I think we're all pasty white from the past eighteen months. So you're from New York and in California right now. So I am a Canadian boy, born, born and raised in Montreal than myself in the U S when I was twenty two and have not gone back ever since. But I do live in New York and visiting l A,

Orange County area. So what do you like better Canada the States? Be honest, Wow, there's no I'm not gonna win with this answer. So what I'm going to say is Canada. Montreal is a beautiful city. Is will always be my home. I love living in New York. My husband lives in New York, so that's his his hometown, but I feel most at home living in Los Angeles. Okay, there we go. Interesting answer. I did not expect that l A. I used to live in l A for a while. Deans still up there some times. It's a

little too busy for me in New York. Holy crap, like anxiety through the roof just walking down the street. A lot of people. Um, but it is a fun place to visit. I'm not gonna lie Montreal is beautiful. I felt like I was in Europe. I went to Montreal a couple of times, and it's insane. How um, how it feels like I'm in France. It really does. It's it's cultural without being overly aggressive, because sometimes in

Europe it could be a little bit more aggressive. I feel like you have the niceness of Canadians, you have really good food, and it's forty five minutes from the Vermont border, so I don't think you can go wrong. Plus the prices are super cheap. I discovered I discovered poutine down there. We have poutine. Yes, we have poutine. And I think all the poutine stores now are now owned by Celindon, So if any Americans go to Canada, you'll be getting some Selindon poutine. She bought most of

the big Canadian poutine companies. Well, my wife would love that. She loves Celandian as you can see Titanic behind me, So I've heard Celin Dion one too many times in this household. So, Adam, I do want to talk about your dating app s'more tell us all about it. Why do you find it to be a superficial relationship app? I've heard it compared to like Netflix's Love Is Blind. What made you want to create this? How's it going? And where do you see smore in the future. Yeah,

it's a great question. So I've been doing this for twelve years, so smore is not my first rodeo. I built my first dating website as a grad student at Harvard in two thousand and eight, so I've been matching people since the beginning, even before getting apps existed. I just wind it so interesting to bring people together to have these meaningful conversations. I love seeing people interact and as that you know, actually moved online, it was interesting

to see what browns were doing in that space. And by the way, fun fact for all of your listeners. So photos that include cats and dogs get twice the amount of interaction than photos without cats and dogs, specifically dogs. Though it shows that you're a loving, warm person and people want to chat with those people. I've got an issue with that method. I don't like how it's just so obvious what you're doing when you post a photo with a dog or a cat or something like that.

You know what I mean. Okay, But to be fair, it's also obvious when guys take their shirts off and like, here is my six pack app. There's a app that does that for you, and so out there you're perfectly airbrush photos are only gonna get you so far. So throwing a dog. I feel like throwing the dog is the better of two eagles. Yes, yeah, throwing the dog. It's like it's like a different version of a thirst trap. Yes, it's less thirsty, it's it's a wholesome thirst trap. Yeah. Yeah,

I'll give you that one. I'll give you that one. I guess I'll say I'm not a fan of any of those things, like you mentioned the shirtless picks, the air brushing or the dog picks, but I see they do serve a purpose and they're there for a reason. Yes, um, But back to smore okay, So and feel free to jump with any question. So, prior to starting smore, I was the managing director of Chappie, which is an app

that's owned by a Bumble. So I worked really closely with Whitney Wolf and her team app Bumble to build this brand first product, which was Chappy. When I left the company. The truth, the real story is I found myself on a beach in Mexico and I met an African American woman who was millennial, who was curvy and beautiful, and she told me that I ruined her life. And what she said was as a black woman, she felt as though she had to put a version of herself

on these apps that she knew was inauthentic. From day one, she said to me, out of my know exactly how to airbrush my photos. I know what to write in the first message. I know what to include in my bio so that a man will respond like this, and he does. The problem is I'm leading with the five sexiest percent of who I am, and by the time he finds out who I really am, he's not interested anymore.

Why can't I just be me? And if you take a step back and to all your listeners, when you think about all the dating apps that you use, right, so, some of them are great, but every single one wants you to make a decision first and foremost based on appearance. Then it leads to the emotional connection or sex and then emotional connection. But if you truly are looking for a relationship, shouldn't you have conversations? Shouldn't you give someone

a chance? Because never know truly who you'll end up with. You might say I have a type, right, but then you meet a person who is not ever in your mindset of who you would be connecting with and who you'd be interested in. But the sparks fly. S'more allows those sparks to actually happen because you're having more conversations with more people. And what's nice about smore is as you chat with the person, you get to see more of them. So you literally, on s'more can hear a

person's voice before you see their photos. You can listen to their favorite music before you see their photos. You can fall in love with who they really are, and hopefully the photo locks it in for you. If the photo doesn't lock it in for you, then you've still gotten closer. Tubing in a relationship by having a conversation versus just swiping through photos like a softcore porn site. Yes, yeah, yeah,

that makes sense. That's that's that's a great explanation. I gotta say though, what happens in your face with the harsh reality of connecting with someone, enjoying the conversation, loving their voice, their music taste, all that kind of stuff. And then you see the photo and you're like, wait, actually, maybe not for me. Yeah no, and look, and that's totally fair. And you still have got to be sexually

attracted to the person, for sure. But what we found on our rap is your at least giving someone a chance. You're getting yourself ready for love by having these conversations, by forcing yourself to actually chat versus just swipe on a torso or swipe on an airbrush headshot. Because the the the act of chatting is something that is part of relationships. You cannot order the perfect person to your house, right, Relationships aren't made to order and there, and relationships also

aren't disposable. But we have been treating relationships like it means nothing. A million fish in the sea, swipe all day long, you don't like the person, move on to the next sex x x x x, and we are all still single, right, So if we want to be in a relationship, we've got to try something new. This is what the new thing is. This is it? It definitely does get mindless after a while, and like the bumbles that tenders the hinges all that kind of stuff

is you just swipe and swipe and swipe. You know, your your board, watching TV, you're on the toilet or something. Not speaking from experience obviously, but you just keep on swiping mindlessly. So I guess this is great because it

engages you a little bit more intellectually and emotionally. Is there like a limit or something too, how many conversations you can carry on at a time or is it kind of just as many as you're comfortable doing or yeah, okay, So s'more is not about blurring a photo or you know, you know, withholding someone's appearance. It's about getting you into a conversation. So we think about what are the ways

in which we can help facilitate a relationship. So the first thing that we do on s'more, and I wish all apps did this, is we verify a hundred percent of people because if you truly want a relationship, the last thing you want to be doing is talking with a cat fisher. So on s'more, have to verify that the photos on their profile are the same photos or the same person who is behind the iPhone that's one

to Every profile gets a behavioral score. So if you're acting like a D and you know what that means, capital D, you're not going to do well on our app. People conversation will say is this person being respectful to me? Yes? Or no? And then thirdly, we want you to engage before you judge. We want you to have more meat on the bones before you decide this person isn't for me or this person is for me. So there's a

few things that we do in that vein. And then in addition to that, we've also launched a way to meet someone organically, which I truly think is the future of dating. All these dating apps have profiles, right, you go in there and you're storting, sorting, storting, and every single thing is a different version of the same. Right, all these profiles, they all look the same. We wanted to create an experience where you could just discover or

stumble upon someone cool. So what we have on s'more is fifty hours of really cool celebrity dating video content, and you can meet people through watching this video content. As you comment on the video and as you like these videos, you can see who else has commented and liked the same content that you did, and then you

can start a private versation about that content. So we're giving you more avenues, more ways to start a conversation because truth of the matter is, you don't really know who you're gonna end up with, because if you did, you would probably be there, right. We want you to chat, We want you to take the initiative and really break the ice, and so that's what we're facilitating at some more.

How many conversations do you have to have before you start seeing the other person's face, like, until it starts getting less and less a blurry. Yeah. So the way that it works right now is it requires ten messages, so five each way. So every message you send will unblur a ten percent everything any message you receive will unblur ten percent. So only ten messages not that much.

May take three minutes, may take three days. Some people want to withhold a response because they want this experience to really continue, and some want to see a person right away, So it totally depends what's cool about it. It's not just unblurring a photo when you can see the person also locks all the visual content on their profile photo. Galleries, videos about them, and all their social

media networks also unlocked for you. What if I just messaged someone twenty times in a row, is that unlock everything or has to be reciprocated? Exactly? Takes two to tango on s Moore. It will game the system. We thought about that because we knew Dean that you are going to be doing that. So we like the Dean block the basic. Unless the person you're talking to also wants to play that game, it won't work. Nice smart smart way to plan for the Dean's that's always a

smart thing to do. Always have to plan for those d's capital capital DS, not Dean obviously, for the capital is right, the capital ds and the little bees, the single bees and all of them. Um Adam, So you worked on Chappy before. This is Smore tailored towards l g B t Q community or is it for everyone? What? What is kind of like the landscape in that regard? Yeah? So smore is for everyone? What has happened with Smore? Because I'm I am from the l g B t

Q community. I always found that a lot of these dating apps are very focused on Caucasians. You know, the straight guy, the straight girl um and the white straight guy the straight girl, and it always felt like to me, it always felt like the gay community was an afterthought, and also felt like a lot of the minority communities we didn't really think about how dating felt to them.

We never really thought about what it means to be a black woman or an Asian man on a dating app, and so we wanted to create a community that really felt inclusive from the first day. So on s'more, over twenty of our audience is l g B t Q community, which means over twenty of our audience is non heterosexual,

which is probably four times greater than a tenure. Yeah, that's an interesting point you make too, because, as you said, as a gay man, you felt like an afterthought, But then to be a person of color in the gay person, you're an afterthought of an afterthought. So I'm sure they feel a lot more included in the in the sense

that they're on smore too, huh. And we also, you know, s'more is not just a cute name, right, We haven't discussed that, but if you're interested, all you listeners out there, it's s'more actually comes from the root of the root of of s'more is the number one term that people use when they give feedback on a dating app, any dating app, they use the terms something more. They're looking for something where they're looking for a deeper connection. So

the heritage of s'more really comes from that, and so s'more. Also, if you look at our logo, includes the equality sign as the top and the bottom of our smore and it's held together by a chat icon because without communication and the marshmallow is the glue that holds it all together. So while it's cute, everything we do at the company, whether it's on the brand side or the product side, is really very intentional, and I think that's why so

many people like it. It's very scary, by the way, it's very scary experience to be chatting with someone that you can see. We appreciate that if you've ever seen the show Love is Blind, you know. But at the same time, if we keep doing the same thing and expecting different results, then also is scary, and that's also ridiculous. We need to put ourselves out there, we need to try on new things. I love it's more as playing chess, while all the rest of the dating apfter playing checkers.

It seems like one person did you guys? Did you guys get the idea from the I mean, obviously it's not a new idea, right the love is blind mentality to speak before you see kind of thing. How did you guys come up with that idea? Was it from the show or you guys had it beforehand? Like what was kind of like the order of events in that case? Yeah, So we launched our product before the show aired. So we launched our beta in December of and I think the show aired in February of the follow of, so

just before, like two months before. And no, honestly, the concept came from this woman on the beach. She said, why am I always judge based on my photo? Why am I judging someone based on his head shot? And when I took a step back and I looked at all these apps, every single one was you know, some of these apps the big ta in the room, um wanted you to make a decision. Literally, you've got a person's name and a full head shot. You knew nothing about the person, and so, yeah, it's a hook up app.

I get it, But don't you want to know something about that person? Like? Literally, not one piece of information, and so it just felt like we weren't putting in an effort into getting into a relationship. But here's news to you, guys. If you think a relationship is not hard work, then you have another thing coming because it's really really hard. Then they've obviously never been in a relationship. Yeah, it's not it's definitely not easy. Some are easier than others,

but it takes a lot of work. And so we want you to showcase really who you are because if you want a relationship, you're going to have to be real at some point. So when that point happens for you and you know that you want a relationship, we allow you to showcase your crazy voice. We allow you to showcase that you're crazy love for I don't know, whatever kind of music that you like, and all your weird corks, because that's what's going to be what someone

falls in love with, not your facade of perfection. It's going to be with all of the weirdnesses that you are. That's why you're gonna be cool, That's why you're gonna

be different, and that's why you're gonna find love. I love it, and uh so I kind of got this feeling is smore and correct me if I'm wrong, if I'm way off base here, but my interpretation of it as it kind of bridges the gap between Remember like match dot com was like everyone serious about being in a relationship now finding their soulmate, getting married tomorrow kind

of thing. And then income the dating apps that you know, the big teas, the bees, all that kind of stuff, and that kind of influenced hookup culture quite a bit. And I think what' s'more does and get again En

correct me I'm wrong. It's kind of like that intermediary you know, like, uh, you can kind of not use it as either of those things, but it allows you to be on an app on a phone, you know, kind of give you that instant gratification, but also uh, you know in Bolden's and and and uh ingrains the idea of you know, meaning something that's more meaningful. I

guess that's exactly it. And also, guys slowed down, why are we so the average person swipes on fifth, So the average man on on one of the tease the t dating apps has to swipe between one thousand and one thousand, five hundred times to land a single date. Think about that. That's a lot of swipes to land one date, and the average date lasts for one point eight hours and does not work out, so you're spending

all this time. It's really softcore porn. It's literally staring at hot people and doing nothing with that information, which is fine, but then just call it an app that you know it's hot. It's a hot or not app, right, it's not really for dating and relationships. If you really want to be meeting a person, you've got to communicate, and so we've got to be more intentional. So slow it down, have a conversation, understand what you like about the person. By the way, if you want something casual,

that's cool. As long as you both want the same things and you're intentional about it, then it's fine. You know, we're not saying that you have to get married, but I think that everyone's relationship will look different. But we need to be more intentional about our conversations with people. We are all people. We all deserve some kind of respect, right, We're not all there's so many negative words I can but we're not just pieces of meat, right. We really

are human beings. Even though you're seeing a torso and a shot or butt shot or whatever shot. We're real people and we all want some sort of love, So give us some bit of respect. And I think if everyone plays that same game, everybody wins. I've got one more question for you. So you see a lot of these dating apps come out with things like that. There's like bumble BFF and tender Friends and all that kind

of stuff. Is there, is there plans or is there currently an integration with s'mores to Like, it's kind of a weird concept to like make a friend before seeing them, because it's like, you know, it's it's obviously just a purely platonic thing. But is there any idea or concept of that coming along? Yeah, okay, so I want to answer that question. But before I answer that question, I want to talk to you about two other things that

are not really exactly dating related. But you know, you talk about us as this concept of being anti superficial, right, and everyone's like, what the hell does that mean? Like what,

I don't even know what that means. The concept is really about knowing more about the person before you say no. And if you look in social media right now, and I know your listeners are very super tech savvy, so everybody knows Clubhouse right, and on Clubhouse, we're getting to know a person by their voice, by what they say and what their opinions are, and then we have to go their profile to get to know more about them, so we're not judging that person based on his Torso

that concept is already taking place. We all know the new amazing cool app called Paparazzi, which is the anti Instagram, which is an app where your friends create your feed. Your friends are showing you the authentic you, and you're not being able to curate the most perfect life. By the way, that's all anti superficial. We're being real. S'more is doing the same thing in the dating space. We're forcing you to be real and we're saying that if

you're real, you'll win. And to answer your second question which is your first question because you only answered asked one question friends. Yes, fifty of singles don't use dating apps. That's a crazy staff. Fifty percent of singles do not use a dating app. Why Because it's salacious, there's dick pics,

it's crazy, it's uncomfortable, there's high pressure. But as people still want loves and those people use more of community apps like next door, which is really an app to tell you who your neighbors are, you who were Where can I go walk my dog? Where can I you know, go to uh whatever, a makeup gathering or a bake

sale or whatever it is. But all these single people feel less pressure being on these common interests and using air quotes guys these common interest apps because there's a lot of pressure with being on a dating app, which is why our app is not a dating app, is a relationship app. So if you want to go and make a friend once more, we have a friendship finder already in the app. We designed it with that already included because we knew that no, not everyone wants this

transactional concept of a date. No, not everyone wants to sort through resumes of people to look for a date. Some people just want to stumble upon someone cool, watch a video, meet someone cool, go into a chat room, meet someone cool, listen to their voice, meet someone cool. So we've already created these more organic ways to meet people, which are think more friendship focused than dating focus. But hey, it couldn't couldn't up in a date, couldn't up as

a friendship. Either way, you win. I'd also like to point out that Dean said earlier he didn't like guys who posted pictures with their dogs or posted shirtless pictures. So I went on Dean's Instagram and there's a nice picture of him and Pappy. Then he posted and then look at this un huh, nice little shirtless pick for him. Nobody. If you guys are listening right now, you can't notice, but I've I've showed a nice picture of Dean with a shirt off and a nice picture of him and Pappy. Okay, Dean,

are you single? I'm ready to mingle or what's your situation? I am he's allowed to. That's that's him and his girlfriend's dog. And let me just defend myself for a second. Okay, the photo with Pappy was announcing our adoption of him because he's fantastic and we wanted to show the world that we're you know, we're fans of fostering all that kind of stuff. And the shirtless picture wasn't at and

I was just trying to get some more engagement on it. Okay, so it works, my friend, But thank you for holding me accounable, though I appreciate it. The Dems are also blowing up from all these single ladies who want a piece of that action. Yes, all right, well, and I knew what I was doing when I was doing it, like I said, But but I digress. You're right, You're right, I take it all back. Oh, trust me, and come on, I have plenty of pictures of me and Lois. I'm

that guy as well. Um, well, I'm sorry, I Adam. I just want to say thank you so much for joining us. We really appreciate it. Everybody listening. Uh s'more go download the app right now if you're single and actually looking for a relationship. It sounds like an incredible app. Or you can go to smore date dot com to view more information about it. I love it because I always find that when I meet someone, I find I end up finding them more attractive or actually less attractive

when I get to know their personality. So I love the idea of your app because it really just flips that on its head, where you find someone either more or less attractive based on their personality, and then you find out what they look like. So um, congratulations on your all your excess, Adam, and enjoy that sunshine in Orange County. Thank you I'll just say one more quick

thing to your fot, your fans and followers. We have this really cool celebrity dating show on Instagram called s'more a Live Happy Hour, and we just shot our one hundredth episode in honor of Pride with T. S. Madison, who is one of those famous transgender people I think in this country. And we break into with these celebrities. They really tell us why their relationships have not worked,

what has worked for them, crazy dating stories. We play hilarious dating games and you've never seen your favorite celebrities be this raw. So even if you're not wanting to do join Some More or you're married or have you go check out our I G t V. The content is hilarious. It is so much fun, and you know, you get to be a little bit more intimate with your favorite celebrities. Oh yeah, you have tons of them up there. Page. We had Page on the podcast She's

Dudes in the d m s right. Yes, yes, it's great. Oh yeah, definitely everybody listening. Go check out some More day on Instagram. You can watch all these dating shows. Oh you had Garrett on Garrett Powell from the Bachelor, Oh yes, we had all of them be Plantic. You had Ben Flannic, Holy crowd, that's a throwback name. You had Wells. Wait a minute, do you know well, well, yeah, but he's not single. He's dating. Oh yeah, he's with

Sarah Hyland from Modern Family. No, it's not everyone's single. Okay. I was like, wait a minute, now he's definitely. He's definitely a relationship. I think he's even engaged. But it's it's funny because we know, we think we know all these celebrities. We have a ton of housewives, and we you know, we really go into it. How did you know your last relationship didn't work? Why did you break

up with them? What is your craziest dating stories? Some of these people's dating stories are the most insane things I've ever heard. And the idea behind the show is, look, if we're single, sometimes we feel like we've been doing something wrong. Why is it me? How come im all alone? What do I feel this way? Got news for you everyone, You're not alone. So many people have felt this way before, and I think we could learn from these shared experiences.

So that's just my take. But the videos are hilarious. We have the next twenty episodes already booked, so make sure you're following some more and yeah it's really fun. Yeah it's super cool. Man, you have something great guests, So everybody listening, go check out some more days Instagram and watch these. These are great. Thank you again and I really appreciate it, but all right, take care. Hey, welcome back to help by Sucker Dating. Should I say

that every time? I guess? Not? Right? Hey, welcome back. You guys know where you're at. It's helped by Second Dating Podcast. We have an email our favorite segment, and we have our favorite person reading the email. Mark. Thanks Jay, Mark, if you could be quiet, so Riley our favorite person can email, that would be great, Thank you very much. Is Dean here? Great question, let's check in. He's coming back. All right, hold on stand by, stand by people. Technical

difficulties down in Baja California. Sorry here he is. Do on purpose? Actually did do on purpose, but I just wanted to make sure my connection was pure for this monthent Uh segment. All right, here we go. This is from an anonymous emailer who sent this to us. Six months into my relationship, my boyfriend opened up the keeping in contact hanging with X's kind of worms, He told me. He was still in contact with most of his exes

and remained good friends with them all. He occasionally messages it with them and sometimes even grabs lunch or dinner with some of them. His best friend is a girl he used to date, so he's always hanging out with an AX as it is. At first, I was pretty upset about the whole situation. I, on the other hand, I'm not close to any guys I've dated. But now, fast forwarding two years into our relationship, the tables have turned.

Literally last week, I had an ex resurface who just moved close to where we live and swiped up on my Instagram story and started a friendly conversation. He asked me out to dinner to catch up. I said yes immediately the beginning of it, I communicated it to my boyfriend and he got extremely upset. I don't like the

double standards I'm seeing. Help. How should they go about this? Well, if this guy is getting upset at you for hanging out with an X, meanwhile he's been constantly hanging out with multiple of his ex is, including a best friend that he sees all the time that he used to date, then this guy, this guy is hiding something. That's what I think. He's getting upset because he knows what he's doing and he knows that it's not the right intention. So now he's, you know, experiencing the other the shoe

on the other foot, and he's not liking it. Jared, I gotta say, even on this podcast together for to or three years now and there isn't it almost four? Yeah, but Jared's only been doing it for three right Anyways, My point is, however amount of time we been doing this podcast together, I think this might be the first time I have actually agreed with your take on an email about to say I felt very profound while saying it. It was a good take. I think you're right. I

think that hypocrisy is real. I think the only reason he would be getting upset about you doing the same thing he's doing is because he's been getting away with doing something shady and he knows that there is now the possibility of you doing that same thing unbeknownst to him, and so that's kind of why he's getting a little peeved off by it. I find the whole thing shady. I gotta be honest and anonymous. I'm so grateful for you listening, and I appreciate you emailing us. It's our

favorite part of the podcast. Please keep emailing us. But I gotta say you said yes to hanging out with an X immediately without even thinking about it. While for the past six months you've been so upset about your boyfriend meeting up with exes. You didn't you did that didn't cross your mind at all before saying this. I think it's more like, oh, this is something we do in my relationship. Yeah, I live to have dinner with you.

I guess if Anonymous is so upset about her boyfriend doing it, why wouldn't she be like, oh, I wonder if this is like my point being, I don't believe you, Anonymous, when you said I didn't even think about it. I think you thought about it, and I think you said if he can do it, I can do it. Maybe she's acting out of vengeance, you know, like she's like, oh, yeah, exactly,

so he's doing it, I'm gonna do it. Maybe I guess I interpreted as like her ex moved to town, hadn't been there ever before, and he's like, I don't have any friends, Like, do you want to meet up and hang out? Kind of thing, which kind of is it's much more possible. But I do agree Jared, You're you're on one it right now. Because if you're upset about it and then you go turn around and do

the exact same thing, what are you saying. Are you saying you don't respect the relationship enough to spare him your boyfriend of the feelings that you feel when he wants to go hang out with his exes. Sounds like the relationship is kind of on its way out. Mark, what do you think? And all your in all your wisdom, I'm trying to come up with a justification for this guy, blatant hippocry Seeing guys like this have a justification, I'm

wondering what it is. I wonder if it's like, no, no, hanging out with X is something I do, It's not something you do. And therefore, if you're doing it, you must have alterior motives, where I know for sure that I don't. I don't know. I'm trying to figure it out because it's such a blatant flip flop on the issue that he's got to kind of twist himself into a pretzel to justify it. I agree with Jared Jared's right, this is a problem and it's not good, and he's

up to tell me. Shady Mark, you said most guys come up with justifications. Are they justifications? Are they just excuses? Their excuses, their gas lighting to make you think you're crazy for questioning them? Well, Jared, your friends the next, aren't you? So what if actually in order to turn around and become friends with an X am my friends with an next? I mean, aren't you? I thought you said you were like really like one of your best friends was a girl that you did in high school

or something like that. No, No, we never dated. She's a girl, though, but we never had any relationship history. She's like very much like a sister to me, UM, And there was never that like set school chemistry between the two of us, so it was never awkward. But I can see how, like, if a best friend was a girl in there was like this weird past, how that would be far different than being friends with a female that you've legitimately never had anything with. Um. I

remember I was before Ashley. I tried being friends with an X and it was just never good. I mean it was great, She's an amazing human being, but like it would always lead to physical intimacy because we're both single. It was just like we all I think I knew in the back of my head as soon as we started dating someone else, like we couldn't be friends anymore, you know, So what type of friendship is that? Right? I guess I'm yeah, I'm trying to put myself in

their shoes. I'm mostly cordial with my ex's. I don't think i'd ever really go out of my way to hang out with any of them though, Although there was a time early on in minding Killen's relationship where I an ex I came out with me and my friends out in Denver and I texted Kilin right away. I was like, hey, Kaitlin, just so you know, like one of my ex girlfriends is coming out tonight. She was

like totally cool with it. But I would never turn around, Like if let's say Kalin had an X come to town and they met up for dinner, I guess I'd be like kind of bummed, But I wouldn't be like, you can't do that, you know what I mean? Yeah, you would be like Kalin, it's okay, it's fine, have fun, but then you'd hang up on the phone and be like, if this guy does anything, I will kill him. Oh yeah, exactly, because it's not like you don't trust Kalin, so you

trust Kalin, you just don't trust the guy. I mean, I trust Kalen. I don't distrust the guy either. I guess I don't know. I guess My point is I would be I would be bummed. I would be like, like, I would see why she wanted to do it right, because it's like you kind of like get to take a walk down memory lane, catch up with an old friend or ex boyfriend, whatever it is, but they're still just like I think it's just inherent that you're gonna be like, oh, like that kind of stinks, but you know,

I know nothing's bad. It's gonna happen. That's how I would look at it at least. So what does anonymous do here? Is a time for an ultimatum? Is it time for a look? You can hang out with your axes or you can date me? You can't do both? Or is it the ultimatum? If you get to hang out with your exes, I could hang out with mine, because that just seems like a road down a path towards distrust that's not gonna end up. Well, Well, Jared's been knocking the sun of the park, so I think

he should give some advice here. I don't think she should give an ultimatum of hey, if you hang out with your exes, I'm going to hang out with mine, because I agree with you Mark, that's just a dumpster fire waiting to happen. I think that she needs to sit down with him and discuss the fact that she doesn't feel comfortable with him hanging out with exes, and if he has a big issue with that, then maybe it is time to start moving away from the relationship.

I mean, you guys are six months in. It's not like the devoted This came up first after six months, but now it's been two years. God, I should read the whole email. Two years that makes a big difference. Yeah, then I would. Yeah, if if he has a big if he has a big issue with giving up hanging out with his exes then or at least as frequently as he is now, then yeah, that might be a

red flag. Because the biggest red flag that I find in this email is that he got so upset when she brought up the idea of her hanging out with an X, which makes me think he obviously is doing something shady with his exes, because if he wasn't, then he'd be like, Okay, yeah, I go have fun, like I'm I'm very trustworthy with my exes, but he obviously isn't. He's like, wait a minute, what are you doing? No? No, no no, no, no, I know how this goes down.

I mostly agree with what you're saying. I think that she should approach the situation a little differently, though. I think that she should bring up the fact that he got so upset about her hanging out with an X and kind of push him on that a little bit more and be like, why are you upset? You don just be like honest and confrontational about it, be like, if you're doing this all the time, why is it

something that I'm not allowed to do. I think that will uncover a lot of uh, you know, possibilities, or like just kind of open open line of communication that wasn't open before, Like why are you upset? What's going on? Why don't you like that I'm doing this? If you're doing it, why can't I do it? Kind of thing. So I think that's kind of the approach you should

take is take that and see where it goes. I think Dean him ahead, and then that might lead them to being like and then he you know, he gets pushed hard and he like, oh I made out with my ex last week. You know, like, yeah, then that's the can of worms. That's like the next week if that comes out and let us know how the situation happened anyway, that'll do it, right, Dean. I don't know what did you just have like a stoker? I think

I did. I'm losing it. I'm losing it. It's hot in here, like you had moved on to your second sentence before you. I know, I gotta slow down any who you know, Jared, Jared, I think that's a good that's a good stopping point, as you are alluding to. That's that's definitely good place for to stop. I got a good six hours to drive still, so I'm ready to hit the road. I appreciate you, guys. I appreciate I appreci you guys working with me through this, uh

this episode. I hope that this audio is usable. I hope that the listeners of this aren't super piste off at me just a little. You can be a little bit piste off, just not super piste off. The listeners in general. If I'm putting up with this show every single week, we really appreciate your listeners. You guys are good people. Yeah. I'll tell you what, if you didn't enjoy this podcast, will refund all of the money that you spent to listen to this free will refund all

the money Dean, that's right. Well, yeah, the point is it's a free podcast still listening to, so I'll gladly refund all of the money after right. Thank you to Adam and his sweet new app s Moore. Be sure to check it out in the app store. Uh Mark, as always, thank you so much for being our our omnipotent voice of reason. Jared, you crush it today. Man, I'm super super blessed to get to do this podcast with you every single week, even from Mexico over the heck,

I am at times. Um, that's that's gonna do it. For this ex episode of Help I Suck At Dating, be should have tune in next week where maybe we suck just a little bit less. Follow Help My Suck At Dating on I Heart Radio or wherever you listen to podcast