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you were way off on that one. We're gonna now that I'm saying it out. Now that I'm saying it out loud, I realized how stupid I am. But that's what our Instagram thing is. It's a Elise Michelle, I think is what it is on Instagram. Right. I found that a lot of people put their middle name up there. I don't know why, but a lot of people will put their first middle name as their Instagram handle. So we're gonna have to solve this mystery with at lease

later on. Um. We also have obviously some emails. We have a day eating term that I need everybody to focus and define, and then of course the big week de Mario Johnson, who we talked to a couple of weeks who is kind of dating are very lovely producer Becky, and he's gonna becomeing to l a this week, which means Dean and I get to grill Becky and give her some date ideas of what they should do. I mean, this is this is huge, This is big. I mean, Becky's gonna go on a date with the Mario, the

guy that she met via Instagram because of help. I suck at dating. I mean, we're just forming relationships one podcast at a time. But we also have another big guest calling in, don't we Jared? Uh? Do we? Well, don't we have? Oh? Yeah, that's sorry, sorry, sorry, we do have a big guest. Holy, I forgot about my mother in law. All right, so apparently October is National call your mother in law Day. I don't know. It

feels like a made up holiday. I gotta be honest. Oh, Ashley wants me to joke about her my mother in law's crush on Dean, which there is a massive crush. I'm gonna be honest with you, Dean. She loves you, She loves you very much. She loves your face, she loves your personality, she loves Dean. I'll tell you she loves you so much. I told the Suspender story the other day. Listen to this. So, when we're posing for pictures, apparently Audrey, my mother in law, feels super awkward taking pictures.

She always has, so she needs someone to try to make her smile naturally. And the way we try to do it, I'm not joking, this is a series. Right before they take the picture, we say Dean, Dean, and she likes smiles, and then that's how we do it. It's there's two names, I swear to god, I'm not even joking about this. There's two names that we yell to make her smile naturally, Dean and Mark Wahlberg. So it's the second one. Mark Wallburg. You're in good company,

Mark Walberg. I'll take Marky Mark. You ever see Marky Marks Haynes at because that is peak Marky Mark. What's funny is I even have this conversation today with one of my friends. Uh. I can't remember what it was exactly about, but I was like saying, like, I don't understand, uh, why Audrey would even like I don't know. I just it's so funny to me that she like likes me even in my own eyes. I don't know exactly why, Dean, you look like Jack Dawson. Uh is that a compliment?

I don't know who Jack Dawson is. That's from Titanic. Yeah, that's Leon not or DiCaprio from Titanic. Yes, that's a compliment. I'll take you. I do think that I've been steadily declining for the past like five years, so maybe I'm just like, uh, you know, I'm a little self conscious. But that's really good to hear, and I'm I'm excited to hear from your step mom too. I'm probably gonna take a step back while you have that conversation with her, just so like you guys can kind of, you know,

have your national call your mother in law day. Uh. The question for you should I call Kalin's mother because she's like my mother in law, So should should we give her a call to or No? I'm absolutely I would love for Calin's mom to be on this podcast. You know what's funny is I've been dating Calin. I want to say for like what fifteen or six teen months now, I don't think I've had a single converence. I don't I've never met her mother. I've never had

a conversation with her. I I don't know. It's kind of strange. I feel like, I mean, is she close with her parents? Not to like she's not. She's not. She's very close with her grandparents, so I like, I I love her grandparents. They live in Las Vegas, and we've seen them and spent quite a lot of time with them. And she's definitely far, far closer uh with her grandparents, and she is, but she obviously, you know,

it's her mom, so she loves her mom. But but yeah, it's just kind of strange that I've never met her. But I do think that this is the year. I think the thing is is her mother doesn't like to like, she's like got this um diversion for her, I'm sorry, a version for airplanes. She doesn't like to travel on airplanes. And she lives all the way on the East Coast and we just have never really killing and I've never really been to the East Coast. But but her grandparents

are so close. But I just think that's kind of funny. Speaking of the devil here she comes with the plate pizza of pizza. She got a pizza for me. I was just telling them how it's kind of funny how we've been dating for what sixteen months and today seven years, and today is call your mother in law day. Jared called his mother in law Ashley's mom, and I was just thinking, it's funny. I don't think I've ever even had a conversation with your mother. Yes, we've had a

brief FaceTime conversation. But I was telling them that she's got like this aversion to flying, and she doesn't like to travel very much, so that's why she's like all stuck on the East coast. Do you want to come in and say hi to everyone? I feel like I don't even think Calin has been on this podcast yet, but she's been on the Pocket time was over here. Do you know my mom's name? Yes, here's Klin, say hi to everyone, Calin. Caitlin asked if I know her

mother's name. Yes, I know her mother. Your mother's name is Jalia, she said, the first time that Calin said her mom's name, Jaliah jay Leah, I was like, that is not her humans name, and her last name is Kim nicky. So he was like, you just made that up. Yeah, all right. Well, while we have Calin here, I have I have a lot of questions for Calin. So uh klin, what is the most annoying thing Dean does? Um? And if you have a list, feel free to talk as

long as you need. I got a little frustrated with him because his time management skills are not the best. Sometimes he likes sometimes he likes stick golf or play video games and not do the things that he needs to do. And I'm like, well, prioritize the things that you need to get done and then you can have your fun time. Yeah. The funny thing, the ironic thing is I was twenty late to record. I would say I would agree with that. I would say if I were there was this, uh this Instagram quote I saw

the other day. It's like, be the person that you want to be best friends with, Like if you like look at yourself from like another perspective, like would you be friends with yourself? And I always think about that, and I've been like acting more consciously to be friends, to like be confident that the person that I see

it myself as would be my friend. And I always think about how piste off I would be if one of my friends, or like if I was another person and me Dean was always late to the things that we had planned, and it's very I would be frustrated, and I get that. It's like one of those things. You know. What's funny, though, is that you always make up for it. Like here's the thing. We talked about

this on the podcast last week. It's impossible to be mad at you, Dean and Caitlin, I want to ask you, have you do you find yourself being in the same scenario where Dean will do something stupid and you want to be so mad at him, but for some reason it's impossible. Yes. No, it's so frustrating and it's funny. So we're in the Maldives. There is a guy kind of like in charge of our schedule, and Dean was always late, and he was like, I just don't understand

this guy. Like he's late for scuba diving. Everyone's mad at him, and he gets off the boat and everyone's best friends with him. Like even the guy in the Maldives was like, this guy is impossible to be mad at. It was funny that we I went scuba diving and I showed up like ten minutes late to the boat, like the charter boat that we were like leaving on,

and everyone was like super piste off at me. But then like when we got back, they were all like, oh, let's stay in touch and let's come scuba diving with this tomorrow. I don't know. It's kind of funny, I guess, But as much as I would love for us to just sit here and talk about all my shortcomings, I do think that we need to bring in art. You have a charm to you that's like people can't get mad at you because you're so charming and you're so sweet and you're so I think it's I think it's

because you all. Honestly, I think you just like Dean, you have this kind of this is gonna be sound weird, but you you're kind of like a dog. Yeah, he's

like a little puppy you can't get mad at. But also because like like I I look at Lois and she's just like happy and full of love and positive and her tails always wagging, and you're like, I can't be mad at you because you're just so sweet and like as weird is this is going to sound to describe you like that that's similar to you, Like even when you walk in fifteen minutes late, you have a huge smile on your face and you're like, God, it's

good to hear your voices. And I know you're doing it to suck up because you don't want us to be mad at you, but it works. And I also know that it's like coming from it's also coming from like a place of of authenticity, like there's nothing fake about you. And I think your your overall vibe, positivity and happiness really just it shines, and uh, I think that's why nobody can get mad at you, including your

your girlfriend. Listen, guys, I would love for rest all sit here and have my horn beto over and over again, but we do have to move on. Unfortunately, we can get back to the the praise and the affection later on. I honestly could talk about your guy's relationships all podcasts like Kitlin. I need you to come on because I need to just talk to both you guys, because I find you guys fascinating. One year a beautiful couple. You guys are super happy, but like I, I find your

relationship fascinating and it's awesome. We're the couple that shouldn't work, but we work. It's weird. We like to We like to keep the enigmatic persona. You know, we don't do many joining interviews. Kaitlin ever comes on the podcast. I don't like to be in her YouTube videos, et cetera. We like to keep it enigmatic. But we are gonna we're gonna take one quick break and then we're gonna get to Elise, which I think she's sure calling in

right now. There she is. Um, we're gonna take one quick break and we're gonna jump into our bit with Elise to check in with her and see how she's doing. Hey, welcome back to help. I saw at dating. I just that just felt right, you know, coming from the gut, coming from the soul. We have a very special guests. You of course know her from Colden season of The Bachelor, where she famously left the show on her own terms,

and early she was a fan favorite. A lot of people thought that she was going to be the bachelorette. It is Elise Dell Bomb. Elise, thank you so much for joining us. How are you? Yes, thank you. I feel like this is an appropriate podcast for me to be on because I think I might suck a day too. Why do you think you stuck at dating? Let's start there. Well, I mean, if you can hear a cat in the background and being thirty three, I might just be turning

into an old cat lady. By bachelor standards, how many cats you have? Just one? Oh, that's not bad, You're fine, It's not bad. I think once you reach over seven is when it becomes an issue. But as long as you have less than that, you're fine. No. I have one very high maintenance cat, and I think I'm I think I'm not gonna add that cat lady to my profile and each time soon by having seven of them. No, but it's definitely coming at least. I do have a

question for you. So Jared's saying that you left on your own accord on Colton season, refresh my memory because I do remember that moment, and I know it's been what it's been a year and a half or however long it's been since you were on the Bachelor, but I do, Uh, I want to like relive that scenario

real quick with here. That's okay, sure, I put on really overly dressed out fit and uh marched my ass over to his room and said goodbye, and it was obviously it played out quite dramatically because you know, it's two in the morning in Thailand and we're all in seventeen hours of time change. But um, it just wasn't. He wasn't the person for me, and I knew that. And as much as you know, going to Vietnam would have been fun, it was just my time to go.

Did you asked? Did you get asked? Did you paradise? Um? I? Originally, I think when I left the show they were pretty much aware that, um, I might not be open to it. But then, um, you know, as time goes on, you kind of think, well, maybe you know, I don't want to like say no to an opportunity. So we talked about it. But by the time we got my like testing and all that stuff done, everyone had pretty much coupled up. We decided probably wasn't. Would you would you

go on paradise like next year? If there is one? I'll tell you what, sure, because at least Claire's guys our age appropriate. Sure? Is that what your main hesitation was going into it? Last time? Was the younger that was you know, I shouldn't say a hundred percent, but that was a huge part of it. I don't think it doesn't necessarily matter what age you are. It's all

about like life experience and lessons you've learned. But I think I've lived a lot of life in thirty three years where I just could not imagine myself like being seriously interested in year old. Yeah, no, I agree sometimes, Like you know that she has gotten a little bit of a backlash for going younger, and obviously now we're going older with with with Claire, not older Claire still

very young obviously, but you know what I'm talking about. Um, I hope you go on Paradise because actually Ashley's behind her right now. But we were talking about you last night because you were coming on the podcast, and we both agreed that you were so Um it's weird to say, like you're under utilized in the Bachelor franchise, but you're beautiful, you have your together, Uh, you know, you're you're ready.

Like it's like you were on Colton season. You left early and everybody wanted to see you on Paradise and people were calling for you to be the next bachelorrete because they loved how you left, and really, you know, stood your ground and said exactly what you wanted, and so I think you'd be perfect for Paradise, Like you'd

be the perfect person to come. Like halfway through, we're like, I know this is not what you want, and I'm sorry, but like I'm thinking like a producer now where you come halfway through, people are already started coupling up, and it's like, oh, that's a least, that's the least, And then like you're the temptation that they throw towards guys. I mean, hopefully you're their day one, but well you know, they have a lot of girls to choose from since

they didn't get to do it this year. So we'll see. But I tell you, I am have always been very comfortable when I'm single, except this year COVID when you are isolated, because I love alone. I mean, board games are pretty boring when you're playing them by yourself and you're stuck at home for a few months at a time. So at this point, I mean, get me on a beach. Just talking to people sounds thrilling. Well, at least, let's

be real. You don't live alone. You've got a cat, right, but there's certain you know things, but that cuddle session only goes so far. Yeah, I mean, I hear you. I cuddle with my dog Lois all the time, but sometimes I need sometimes I like being small spoon. I'm gonna be honest, I feel like a real man amidst that I need Ashley to hold me. Sometimes I hold her too. We'll allow it. Um, So, what has dating been like for you in during COVID? You know, like

you said, you're single. There's a lot of people who are dealing with dating right now during these crazy times. What it's been Has it been like for you? It's been almost non existent. I I did develop a little quarantine crush that quickly played itself out, and it was if I'm being completely honest, it would not have worked in a normal situation, But because he was just so fun to talk to, he was a lovely distraction and it was fun to have, you know, something to look

forward to if FaceTime date. But you know, had we been it probably went a little bit longer than it would have if we were actually in a regular dating scenario. But I think there's something to be said that's positive about um. You know, we kind of live in an overly sexualized world. Let's just be honest, and there's nothing

wrong with that. However, I think there's something to be said that people are making connections like online and having to really establish some communication and try to find more creative ways than just you know, swiping right and going out to coffee or drinks and seeing what happens. You actually have to get to know someone when you can't see them. So I think there's positives to it. But for me, it's been this has been a really really

challenging year personally. My career was has basically been non existent since it started. So it's been a year of day by day and some times that my focus is not so much on dating when I'm just trying to figure out my next step when god, we don't ever know what our next step is in this there, No, it's so crazy. Now you're a business owner, I mean,

you own a company called Glamour Grass LLC. So tell us a little bit about that, and I'm assuming that's what you're talking about during COVID right now, and how it's you know, struggling. Absolutely not the business I don't want to say this buzzes struggling, But for every business owner right now, we can absolutely say I've been a

makeup artist for UM a little over twelve years. And then I also teach, and obviously school is shut down and makeup, you know, we do a lot of freelance for special events, weddings, things of that nature, and those those just aren't happening. And then my online business is teaching in one on one makeup lessons, kind of picking up where I think YouTube leaves off, where there's you know, makeup gurus, UM, but really teaching individual for that person,

skin type, tone, texture, age, all of that. And I love it. I absolutely love it. But I've had to go back to Barton and just to have something that gives me peace of mind of I know I can pay my bills when when things have been constantly changing this year. What do you mean by bartender because you live in Arizona, YESA maybe they're just like a little bit more lax, because when I imagine bartending in like Los Angeles, for instance, I don't know if I've even

seen a bartender for the past. And I'm working inside of a hotel, and so because it's a hotel, they are open, right, so they have you know, very strict regulations. But the company is privately owned, and they've just been amazing to work for and really helped out their staff during this time. Even myself, who came on right before the lockdown. Yeah, I barted him for many years of

my life. I have I have some friends who are small business owners as well, Like Peter from my season Is, he owns a small gym in Wisconsin, and he was like saying his business was so new that he is having trouble, Like, Uh, it's just such a time to be a small business owner, like, especially like obviously with COVID and all that kind of stuff going on, especially when it's like hands on, like at least like yours is obviously have to like be in people's faces and

like working with people directly all the time. Uh, It's just it's I'm yeah, I definitely feel for you guys well, and I don't want it to sound like a paper because we're all going through it at some level, whether it's impact to do personally or professionally or both. We've all I mean to all of us. Yeah, huh, it's crazy. Well that that just means everybody go to glamor Grass right now. If you're looking for for any type of makeup. I saw the link is in your bio correct alright,

so go to Elisa's Instagram right now. If you're listening to this podcast and you don't follow, at least, I'm not sure what you're doing with your life, So go follow it right now. Go click the link in or bio, go to glamor grass buy some makeup because we all you know I'm going to need to make up to Let's be honest, like I got the light on me right now, I could use some um. But at least we also want to talk about your hosting What a

Girl Wants pod cast this week. Thank you so much for stepping in and doing a far better or myself could ever imagine doing. Oh wow, that's a lot of credit that will has yet to be determined if I deserve, I have full faith. So what are you talking? What do you want to talk about? Like? What what are some things in the dating world that bug you? You love, you hate? Um? What are you gonna talk about on

the podcast? Well, jeez, we might need more than one podcast to go through my experience in the dating world. But I'm actually gonna be talking to someone that I found during COVID on YouTube, and he is a therapist and he also has been a couple's therapistically for twenty

plus years. But he has a YouTube channel where he reacts to reality TV shows and talks about and like will pause the video and really break down, like as a therapist, what he wishes he could see in that moment as far as communication, and I have learned so much about where I've gone wrong, um that I'm just excited talk to him and get perspective on only like how to come out of COVID and maybe have at least say that I've learned something and can date a

little bit more healthy, but also to ask him questions about, you know, maybe bring up some of my past relationships and see if he has any pointers of where I missed the mark. Do you go to therapy currently or like, have you always kind of advocated for it? Absolutely? Um, I went to my first therapy session, I think when I was sixteen. I had a very good friend of mine tragically passed away and didn't quite know how to process that. And it's not something that's been consistent in

my life. But I think there's just such a massive thing to be said for whether it's couples counseling, or you're just going for yourself. Um, your friends and your family are always going to have a biased opinion. So to see someone that is non biased, that has your best intentions at heart, but also can point out your faults, I think is so so important because everyone else in your life is coming from place of love and with

that agenda. Whereas it's nice to have someone to really you can voice your innermost and sometimes not so nice thoughts without judgment. Right. It's funny because we've talked about this on the podcast in the past, and my journey on this podcast personally has been it's been long what we've been recording I think for like three years now. And the first year I was like very anxious and consistently like had been dealing with all this inner turmoil.

And don't get me wrong, like I still have those issues, but I always had this weird like stigma attached to therapy and like seeing a therapist and how like it would be looked as on as like weak or like you're less of a person because you need therapy. But then I started going to therapy and I like just

like open my eyes. And then the second I started talking about therapy with people too, Like I would even see these like, you know, if I'm having a conversation my friend, I would start talking about how I'm going to therapy, and like they're from my experience, their like eyes would light up and they'd be like wow, like it's it's just such a it's so weirdly taboo, you

know what I mean. And I think that there's never enough advocation that we can make for going to therapy, whether you're consistently, whether you have like a dilemma in your life that you're trying to like sort through, you go for a short amount of time and then maybe you go take some time off and you go back. But uh, it's so it's so funny because my personal journey with therapy has been so like, uh, you know, I look down on it for so long and then

I did it, and now I advocate for it. But at least, like you kind of said, I haven't been in a while, but it's definitely opened my eyes to the progress that you're able to make by going to it,

you know, absolutely. And I think where the taboos sometimes come from comes from as people assume, oh, something's wrong, like maybe we should start going to therapy before there's something wrong, whether it's as like I said, as a couple, going to therapy before there's problems, so that you can navigate problems that our eyes better, but also just for yourself.

I mean, we all have traumas that sometimes you don't even realize that we're dealing with and being able to work through that, you know, again in an unbiased way, and sometimes I'll be honest, eyes sometimes just have a therapy session to bitch a little bit about this year. You have to. You have to sometimes you just gotta get off your chest. You can't let it on there. You know, you can't let it linger there. It's going

to destroy you. Uh yeah. Somebody made the analogy about therapy and it made a lot of sense to me. How people routinely go to the gym to like maintain health, right. Uh. You Like you don't just eat like for years and years and years and then one day but like, oh I'm just gonna go to the gym one time and like it'll be fine. No, you consistently go to the gym to try to work out and maintain health. It's

the same thing with therapy. You know, you have to go routinely, and like you said before, like a bigger problem occurs, try to get some therapy in there before you know, uh, you know, just to maintain your mental health. I totally agree. I've been to therapy, um and it's it's pretty awesome that you're speaking out for that cause at least I just want to say thank you so

much for joining us. You are so sweet. I truly hope that you find uh someone before Bachelor in Paradise, but if you don't, I really hope to see you on that beach. Well, let's just we don't get locked down again, because it's it's not helping the day in life. It's so bad. I feel bad for admiring that Florida

went back on lockdown. I don't know. Also, I want to I want to say because Jared did mention that you were in the running to be Bachelor, and as I would love to see you as a bachelorette, but I do want to say that I think that you got lucky by not being this year's bachelorette, because it's like, who wants to just sit in India for two months and go on dates where it's just I don't know, it's fun, it's great and don't get me wrong, it

could lead to wonderful, fruitful things. But it's like, there are better years to be the best. I mean, let's be honest. The travel is a huge part of the experience. Yeah, poor Claire. I feel bad, Like, of course Claire is like, waits years to be bachelor. It should becomes a bachelorette, and then a pandemic hits and it's like, oh, god's poor woman can't catch a break. Well, I can tell you I'm very flattered, but I was never in the

running to be the bachelorette. So well in the public opinion, well thing, um so everybody, like I said, go to Elise's Instagram where you can check out her makeup company called Glamour Grasp l l C Again Thursday, What a Girl Wants podcast. You can get it wherever you get podcasts. It will be on this help my second dating podcast feed. Check it out. Elise will be on there. She's fantastic. Elise,

thank you so much for joining on. If Ashley and I always say that we want to go to Scottsdale, so if we're ever there post COVID, we'd love to. I'd love to meet you in person and grab dinner sometime. Come on down. Just make sure it's not June and July, because I'm too redheaded to be outside those months. All right, guys, thank you so much, and thanks for letting me take over for a little bit. No, it would be great. Yeah, I'm fume to listen to it, all right, thanks guys.

So Sunday today or yesterday, depending on when you're listening to this is National Call your Mother in Law Day. So guess what I'm about to do, ladies and gentlemen, suck army. I'm going to call Ashley's mother a k a. Audrey, a k a. My mother in law as soon as I find her number on here. She is aware that I will be calling her. Uh she my wife just

screamed from the bathroom. Tell them that she's shy. My mother in law is a little shy, but she's been on podcast before, she's been on your podcast before, ash So here we go National Call your mother in Law, So everybody out there listening, make sure you call your mother in law. Tell them how great they are, unless they're not great. I don't say that, but mine's great, great, lucky. Here we go Audrey. Hello, it's Jared host of help. I suck at dating. How are you? I'm doing well.

Thanks for doing this, Audrey. I appreciate it. I didn't I didn't know there was a national call your mother in law day. Have you ever heard of this? I've never heard of it until like ten minutes ago. On. Oh, so Ashley just said that you have to call Bobby. Oh, okay, I'll do that. Yeah, that's the that's the only right thing to do. Uh. I've never heard of that before. Neither have I. So for everybody listening, Bubby is uh

Ashley's dad's it's Ashley's grandmother on her dad's side. So your mother in law, Audrey, Yes, I've had for many years. I will say so, Audrey Howard forty years. Well, Bubby is doing very well. Bubby's a wise cracker. So, Audrey, how am I as a son in law? Be honest? Oh boy, that's a big question, the honest truth. Maybe obviously you're great. You know that, Audrey, You're great if you could, um, you know, be at our house for what was it, thirteen weeks? Yeah, quarantine? Yeah, and put

up with us. I mean I think that that was a real test of you know how how great you are. Well, thank you all. We really couldn't be happier. Well, I'm

the lucky ones. I remember when I first met you, guys, I thought you were going to hate me because well because when I first met both you and Jay was during the charity event that Ashley organized rate after our first season of Paradise nationally and I weren't weren't dating at this point, and all you knew from me was that I pretty much broke up with your daughter on national television. And I'm like, they're They're gonna don't I can't believe I'm going to this. They're gonna hate me

and you both. I'll never forget both you and Jay were so welcoming and so sweet and so nice, and it really you just made me feel at home. Well before we could not hold that against you, of course, no, you could have. You easily could have, and you would have been in the right because I was an idiot obviously, But it all worked out. And uh yeah, we were quarantined for thirteen weeks together, So if we survived that,

I'm pretty sure we could survive anything. Well, You're you were very helpful and uh, I think I think we had a nice time. I think it was a good bonding experience. Um. You know you made it pretty easy. You really, you weren't difficult at all. You're very easy going and very hopeful, and your parents raised you very well. H. Well,

thank you, Audrey. Well you raised Ashley and Lauren very well. Um. And I appreciate you saying that I'm easy going because I think Ashley would argue with that, but it doesn't matter because your mom said it, Ashley, and if your mom said it, I am easy going. Um. Audrey, Yeah, you're pretty easy going as long as you can put up with Ashley, which is not easy. As we know. Um, I think you guys bounced each other out and we can ask for a better son in law. Well, thank you, Audrey.

I only have to put up with Ashley for um, the rest of my life, so it's not that bad. Um. Actually, half as well as we treat Lowis, that's hard. Lois gets a lot of love from her dad. Um. Well, Audrey, you are the best. I am the extremely lucky ones to have incredible in laws. Uh and uh. I love you both, and thank you so much for joining me on the podcast. As Weird as that sounds. Yeah, I'm happy to be on. Thank you very much. I know, right,

all right, we'll tell Bubby. I said, Hi, okay, alright, bye, and that's my mother in law. Ladies and gentlemen. That was very nice. Audrey's the best, She's the sweetest. Um. She puts up with all my madness. She put up with me when I wasn't with Ashley, which is a testament to how wonderful they are because I've I've always felt this way and I continue to feel this way. They could have easily um kind of not been nice to me and told Ashley not to date me because

of everything that happened in the past. But they were always supportive. I always got along with them. I always fell at home with my in laws, and so I'm glad that I called them on National Call your mother in law day, Jared, I want to discuss something with you that we did not get the chance to discuss last week. With a heavy heart, that I approach you with this topic. It didn't. Things just didn't pan out as I had hoped for them too. And Uh, as much as I needed Singletary to go off, he just

he just decided not to go off. So I lost to you in the fantasy football and I need to pay my dues because of it. That's right. I completely forgot about that. So we we talked about this on the podcast a couple of weeks ago. We announced it on Instagram. Dean and I played each other in fantasy football. Dean lost. It was a good game, though he also traded. We had a trade between Dan and I that I I definitely won. Uh. So your punishment, sir, I figured

i'd give you the choice. I would narrow it down to two. So this I asked on Instagram what the punishment should be. I got a lot of great eight great punishments. Uh. Some was eat a pack of sardines covered in pickle juice. Um temporary hair dye in the winning team's colors. So you'd have to dye your hair blue and silver or red and brown. If I'm going with Brady. Uh, the top two by far, and I'll let you choose which one you want. Okay, one I

take over your Instagram for a day. I don't think whatever the next one is ill, it's just gonna The second one is a little less harsh, but something that you've been very much against and we actually had a sneak preview of it in the beginning of this episode, which of course Kalen on for the full episode. I'm on the episode two and I get to talk to Kalin questions. You can be on there if you want. It's I'm not saying you don't have to be on

this episode, but it's one of the two. Either Kalin's on for a full episode and like it's a Q and A, or I take over your Instagram for a day. What a freaking punishment. My biggest punishment is having my girlfriend come on the podcast with me for an hour. People want to hear first of my arm How horrible? No, I know, it's just funny. Like that's the punishment where it's like I always have to talk to my girlfriend. You want to know what's funny? Is almost just like

out of out of spite. I want to say, just take over my Instagram. Uh, but I have I have been uh thinking about having Caln come on the podcast anyways, and because of that, I think it would be great to have her on. So it might not be next week, it might be the week after that or wherever, but yes, I think that if you want to you can be like the moderator for a podcast. I mean, calin only if and I know, like they're what I'm this is

your punishment. There's no stipulations on your behalf. It's fine. It's fine only if the reverse is given to me from you. So you and Ashley come on the pod cast. But I get to play. I didn't lose fantasy football. I don't know how this there's I don't I'm not getting punished. I don't have to have Ashley come on. This is you're punishment. It's not a punishment. It's just that it's a great way for our listeners and our fans and our friends to hear from you and Ashley.

We always see actually come into the glam Room mid podcast. It would be a good chance to actually have a sit down conversation. Well here's the thing. I mean, like some people, even even you know, they sent in recommendations and they said, sure, have the significant other come on the podcast, but make sure that they tell embarrassing stories. So like I might, I might ask Caitlin to like think of one of you, the more embarrassing stories that

you guys, that you have had during your date. So alright, perfect, the punishment is set. Kalin is going to come on the podcast. I'm very excited about this. I actually think I might have Ashley come on just to ask her questions, because Ashley really gets the juicy gossip, you know what I mean. She does a better job than I she does. Ashley has no shame in her question asking. She just gets right to the nitty gritty of the question that people always want to like, even more of a punishment

for you. Yeah, exactly, it's settled. That's done. Calin will be on the podcast. Obviously, she has to approve and accept the offer to come on the podcast. I'm not gonna make her come on the podcast against her will, but tentatively that that is that is, that is the settlement. He will be on the podcast in the coming weeks.

But we do have a very special segment coming up because, as you mentioned at the top of the podcast, and as we've had discussions on the podcast in the past, one of our producers, Becky, is dating a very handsome, very charismatic, very outgoing gentleman by the name of de Mario, if I'm not mistaken, and he is finally coming to Los Angeles, where Becky lives. And he will be taking

her on a date, multiple dates. I can only imagine. Uh, question Beckins, Becky, if you're listening, which I think you are, are you excited? A B What are you guys gonna do? See? Where will you be going? D? Is this the first time you guys have seen each other three dimensionally? Because I think it is. Um, Okay, that was a lot of questions. Um, I am excited, I'm nervous. I have a rough idea of what we're going to be doing, but I honestly need your guys as health Um, because

I feel like my ideas are subpar right now? Well I have I have. So here's the question. So tomorrow, where where's he live again? In Michigan? You know, Michigan? This first time ever going to the West coast. Um, so, never been in l A, California. And how long is he staying for? Uh? He is just here for three days? And then is he staying with you? No, he has his own hotel room. Good job both parties, Good job, Very good question, very good question. And I was actually

one of my main questions too. This is the first time we're meeting in person. How long have guys been talking? Now? It's been over a little over a month, all right, So here's the question. Because usually Da Mario. First of all, sweetheart, he seems like the man. I I feel like he's going to come in with a little bit of a plan, even though he doesn't know LA, never been on the

West Coast. Like he just feels like the type of guy who's going to make recommendations for you because he wants to be, you know, the guy, and he wants to show you a good time. He's coming there for you. I think it's awesome. But he's flying out to l A. That's crazy. I know, it's so crazy. I so I keep asking him like, is there anything you want to see I've always wanted to see? And of course he's just like, I'm just excited to be doing whatever it

is with you. So just it thought like you tell me, I don't know, and I'm like, okay. It's a lot of pressure just to refresh the listeners too, because last time we spoke to we actually had a conversation with to Mario, much to Becky's chagrin because she did not love the conversation. Well, I think that you secretly gained some stuff out of it. But maybe you didn't like You didn't like to right right right, you didn't love some of the questions that we were asking. We were

growing him a little bit. That's our job. We're like your big brother. Okay, we are. I do feel responsible in some weird way for this. Uh he turned this skeptic. I was very very skeptical of Damorrow going into the conversation, But I came out of that conversation basically want wanting to break up with Klin and asked tomorrow to be my boyfriend instead. Um, so I'm excited to see what happens. I think it's been a great it's been a great

like unfolding of events. Like he listened to the podcast because he's also a fan of scrubbing In and almost Famous. He heard Becky speak and he just became immediately enamored with her voice, and then they just kind of struck up a relationship since then. I think it's like imagine telling your grandkids about how grandma and grandpa met, you know what I mean, just a beautiful genesis story. Yeah, that's amazing, Becky. I mean, do you have any ideas?

So I would suggest like going down, you gotta go like down south. You gotta I feel like you gotta get out of l A. Like you gotta go to like Manhattan Beach or you know, somewhere by the water. Really show him, like the you know, the Pacific coast. That would be my suggestion, like somewhere out you know, because you can still go out to eat, like outdoor dining is fine something like that. But then I don't know, like there's no activities, Like I feel like you guys

have been talking for so long. The last thing you really want to do is just like keep talking. I feel like it would be more fun if you did something. What the hell are you guys gonna do? You can't like go bowling, I know. I was like maybe there's like I think there's some arcades open, like that seems kind of fun. There's like, um, I don't know, I feel like you can just drive around in l A. It's still hard, Like how do you date, go on

dates and cope during COVID? So we do. So the one thing he definitely wanted to do was take me out to dinner the first thing he gets here. So I made reservations for that. Um at Laurel Hardware over and less Okay, Yeah, they have a great outdoor dining area, so that's nice. So but that's really it. Like some lookout cool lookout points like by the beach, like you can do like what about hiking? Yeah, we could do that.

You could do like Laurel Canyon, or you could do like you could take them up to like Griffith Park. Ashley and I do sometimes picnics up there. They're very nice. Uh yeah, well because we we she was inspired by La La Land because that's one of my favorite movies. So we went up there. She wore a yellow dress. It was fantastic, just like I'm a Stone in the movie. Um,

what else could you guys do? It's so hard right now because I would say, I think you should think of like some sort of activity to do as well. And I know that's difficult now because of COVID, but you guys have talked so much and it's undoubtedly going to be a little awkward because you guys have never met and you talked for so long. I think dinner is great to continue talking and like get that vibe

in person. But I also think it would be really nice of you guys were actively doing something together to kind of like, you know, get some laughs in there, joke around. I don't know, I just that's how I'm feeling. No, I agree, and I'm just like what does what does that mean? Like? What what is that activity? So that's where I'm stuck. So if any listeners have any ideas, any of the listeners out there, obviously email us with suggestions that you have for Becky on where she should

go with tomorrow what should they do? Also, you can d m us on the help I second dating Instagram. I am here for all of it, and I know Becky is too. I think he nailed on the head. You definitely like, are gonna go to Laurel Hardware. That's gonna be fantastic. But it's also like you should just go to the beach for an entire day, like spend like four hours on the beach in like Venice or Santa Monica. You can't really hit like the Santa Monica

appear per se. I have a request if you're willing, Becky, only if you're willing, no pressure, but maybe we could double date and Jared, if you're down, maybe we could all triple date. I think that would be pretty fun, just like a nice little like beach excursion. Uh, and like go to a restaurant for like lunch or something like that, just to just a suggestion, you know, I just I kind of want to hang out with you guys. Becky.

What's funny enough is we always have these digital interactions to each other, but we've actually never met you in person, So it would be a good chance for Jared and I to also get to know you and to Mario better. It's just a suggestion if you're down for it, no pressure, We get to thrill your future husband, Ashley and I can talk about how we're family planning. See if you guys are on the same page, you know, really just put the pressure on. I think that's a great idea

and I'm here for it. No pressure, no pressure, no preshould also look up Halloween things to do. I wonder if there's like fun Halloween, like I know they must have like drive through pumpkin things that could be something fun, festive, timely. Also, Uh, I never suggest going to a movie on a first date,

but seeing how there's limited options, maybe a drive in. Yeah, there's like there's like all these like old school drive ins in l A that showed old movies that could be fun if you guys like watched if they showed like, what's like a good love story the Princess Bride, Like if they showed that on a drive in or when Harry met Sally, I think that's great. I love these corny days, honestly, I think they're great. Thank you guys for your help, and I'm so I'm really excited. For sure,

we're excited for you. First of all, what help are you thinking us for? Because I feel like we did not accomplish a single cush darn thing. No, you guys did. There were some good ideas. There was the hiking, there was a drive in, there was the picnic, there was the Halloween stuff, like, all great ideas. So the wheels are turning. We're going to figure something out. And I like the beach idea because he's from Michigan, so it's

definitely not around wheel beaches over there. Yeah, showing the Pacific, just big lakes. Yes. Uh, well, we're obviously gonna have to follow up on this and and see how this date went again, just to add more pressure to it. But you know what, you guys met through help by second dating. Uh, it's only poetic to figure out if if you guys are gonna get married because of help? I second dating? UM, so tomorrow, if you're listening, you're awesome, very excited for you both say travels uh and let's

before we leave, let's do emails and a dating term. So, Mark, are you are you listening? I don't know, you poor bastard. You have to listen to like us, just ramped the entire time. I am here and enjoying every word, just like I do every week. Oh yeah, I'm sure. Just what a guy waiting at on bated breath for what we're gonna say next? So would you like to read the email we have today? We have one? Definitely do. It's from Emily, my X and I have two years

just broke up. The breakup was very mutual. We realized that we were growing apart. During our two years of dating. I got close to his younger sister. She became one of my closest friends. Do you think it would be weird if I remained friends with his sister? We are all in our mad twenties. No, I don't think, And that's another episode of helping UM. I think I don't think it's weird. I think as long as everybody's okay

with it, uh, one of two things will happen. Either, uh, you know, you and this X will just not really converse all that much and you'll move on with your lives. Or it will be super awkward and unfortunately your friendship with the sister is going to fade over time. I think that will probably one of the two things that will happen. I don't think it's weird at all. I think that, uh, it's perfectly normal to become friends with

a significant others sibling. And also, let's say you broke up, you obviously broke up, but it was, as you put it, mutual and amicable whatever. I think that just as the fact that it's totally okay. On top of that, when I think about like some of my best friends, who I would I think they all have siblings. But the point is I never see any other siblings because they're

my friends. Their siblings aren't my friends. So it's like, if your ex boyfriend's sister and you are really good friends, you can still see the sister constantly without kind of running into your ex boyfriend. Uh, it might be a little tricky, I would say, but I don't think that you should like cut off a friendship just because you were no longer romantically and twined with her brother. I think we all agree on this. I was just trying

to expand on it a little bit more. You know, I'm curious if they all if the brother and sister are still live at home, that might make it a little bit awkward, But otherwise, my only advice is to not sneak around, be honest and open and above board on everything. If you start sneaking around and he finds out your friends, it's gonna be very weird and uncomfortable and negative feelings. So as long as you're open with everybody,

I should go for it. One of my closest friends is my sister's ex boyfriend, and uh, he was in my wedding. He was one of my groomsmen. She was in my wedding too, and they don't speak to each other. But everything is fine. They're all they're all fine with it. Did she ever get mad at you? No, No, she she doesn't get mad at me. But every now and again, like if I'm talking to her and I'll be like, oh yeah, Andy, and I went into this, she'd be like she like rolls her eyes, but like she didn't

even had about it. She's a good person. Wait, that's actually really that's really funny and a funny account firsthand, because obviously we wouldn't have another one. So I've got more questions too. So they don't they don't speak. They were both in your wedding, But I mean, I guess I don't have any questions. I just wanted to talk about that. It's actual hilarious. It's more of a statement

than anything else. I do find that pretty interesting East And I mean, how did so you guys were just so close to you felt like that even after your sister broke up with them, like you had to just stay friends. Yeah? Yeah, they dated for like three years, they lived together and everything, and then um, they just they just grew apart and decided to break up. And I came to her and I was like, hey, Andy and I are really close, Like would it would it

bother you if I stayed friends them? And She's like, knock yourself out? How close a friends are you? Like like I would say, like I have like two very close friends. It's just it's Andy and this this other guy, like he's I'd say he's one of my best friends. And how long have been broken up for? They've been broken up for seven years? Yeah, wow, so the friendships ridly So that's lasted. So so I mean Emily, I

mean Eastern's firsthand. You can stay friends with your ex as long as everybody's on the same page and you're upfront about it and honest. Excess sibling, excess siblings. I have a question for you this time, an actual question, not just the stupid statement. Uh, are your is your sister in a relationship now? Or is Andy in a

relationship and she is engaged and my sister is married? Yeah? Yeah, okay, so do you think even now then when like, let's say you're talking to your sister about Andy, your sister is married, and then does she still like do the I all things? Or is it kind of one of those things where it's like bygones, bygones, like move on sort of thing. This is how chill we are, Okay, guys. Uh, my sister's new husband, he's a he and I are cool too, they were, but he was in my wedding too,

like so my my groomsmen. It was like a couple of buddies of mine from high school, and then my sister's ex boyfriend and my sister's current husband. We all got all on great. We all went out and like son like hung out and did stuff. Lean up to the wedding and everyone got along. It was it was totally fine. Well, it's very nice to hear everybody was very mature about it, as they should be. Exact. We're all adults, you know, and somewhat it's hard for me

to make friends. I need to hang on these people's hard as like you know, yeah, we're we're all adults with superhero posters on our wall. I get it right there. Um, all right, So I have one dating term before we go, because obviously that's our new thing. We have to at least do one dating term to find it, figure out what it is. This is what it is? Dating term October twenty three or whatever the hell they we're recording this dating term? Fired orring, fire dooring? What is it?

Ladies and gentlemen, even though it's just dudes on this, I know what it is. I know what it is. Fire dooring is when you so when there's a fire in a building, the first thing that you do when you approach a doorway, is you check the knob to see if there's a heat in the door knob. If there's heat, there's fire on the other side. If it's not hot, there's snow fire on the other side. Fire dooring is you're like checking, You're like testing the water.

Is You're like you're like, you know, tapping the door knob to see if it's worth opening the door or not. I disagree, top fat gentleman. I think that fire dooring is like at the at the first sign of danger, like like a first sign is something going wrong, like a small fight or a little disagreement, you head for the hills, like just you the fire doors come down, you lock yourself off. You you probably just ghost them. That's what I think it is. Yeah, mine is similar.

It's an extreme ghost just like mid date, he's just like, oh something, I didn't like what she just said, and he hits the check please by. It's an extreme urgent ghosting. I really wish it was that, because that's hysterical, sad, but quite funny. Uh. Fire dooring, well, we all know what a fire door is because it only opens from one side. So this is a one sided relationship. You can get out, but you can't get back in. This is an unequal relationship where one person has all the

power and a connection. They may or may not reply to your text or agree to your request to meet them. When you do hear from them, it's usually because they want something from you and it's convenient for them, and they expect you to drop everything to suit them. This is an unhealthy power dynamic that can leave you unsatisfied and frustrated. Fire dooring. I've I know some relationships like that. It's not good. It's not that one though, that's pretty good.

You know what, they were all good guesses. I love the effort. That's what really counts. Thank you so much, everybody, suck Army for tuning in. You guys are the best. Thank you to a Lease Dell Bomb for joining us. Make sure you tune in this Thursday for What a Girl Wants, What a Girl Needs. Thanks for leaving me hanging their fils uh her. What a Girl Wants podcast drops on Thursday. Make sure you check it out. Of course. Thank you to our producer Becky for dating Tomorroo and

giving us content. I'm very excited to see what happens with this relationship. I'm very excited to see what kind of dates you go on. Uh and I think that's it, right, Dean. Thank you for being the most wonderful human being. Thank you to Calin for coming on. Yeah, I'm excited to have a full conversation with Klin again. I don't know when, maybe next week, maybe the week after that, but one of these days it's gonna be good because it's your punishment.

I feel like we should like spring it upon you like I should. I should be the one scheduling when Caitlin comes on and you have no idea, how could be this week, could be, next week, could be four months from now? Who the hell notes Listen, if you want to take that into your own hands and get that done, I think you're right. It would only make it more hilarious and funny and interesting and cool. So I don't want to put that burden on you. But uh, well,

we'll discuss, we'll figure it out exactly. But I'm glad that I'm glad that a that I'm paying my dues because I did lose and I deserve to be punished. I'm glad that we were able to settle on something and figure it out, and I'm glad that all of you guys are in my life. So so I guess that's all I got. Oh well deep, oh well, my dogs freaking out, but we're very lucky to have you in our life. In Dan, you want to sign us off. Yeah, well,

Jared's dogs freak out over there. By the way, I just texted Jared this, but I think it's worth noting on the podcast as well. Jared, I don't know what you're doing, man, but you're looking good. You're looking fit. You've always had a strong job, but for some reason it's just popping even more now like you. Maybe it's the hair. I just want the listeners to know, I know what are listening to this podcast. We're not seeing you don't You're not seeing what I'm seeing. But this,

man is you're like a fine one. You're getting better with agents did I just looked at my phone and I see a text message from Dean says, Hey, not to be weird or anything, but if you've been working out, Dean, I very much appreciate it. I've been working out a little bit. I think it's really the hair and the light and going to be honest, But anyway, Thank you for tuning in. Be sure to tune in next week for a great episode. Uh, what's funny is we can

consistently tease Kalin's appearance. Maybe she'll be on next week. Maybe you should be on the week after that. The only way to find out is by tuning in and seeing if we suck just a little bit less. Follow help by Suck at Dating on I Heart Radio or wherever you listen to podcast