Caelynn Bares All

Keitlan's apartment. We got a great episode for you guys today. As we mentioned last week, Jared handily destroyed me in fantasy football. I think it was who was it, Josh Kelly or Singletary who just put up? I think everybody. I think it was everybody on your team sucked and everybody on my team did. P day. God, yeah, I'm very middling in that league. I think I'm three and four and it's just like I've got no prospects. My

team is bad. Anyways, we agreed that my punishment would be to have Kaylin, my girlfriend, as we all know, be a guest on this podcast. And the reason it's a punishment because you might be thinking to yourself, why would a punishment entailed Dan just bring his girlfriend the podcast, Because yeah, it really does. Because when Caitlin and I first started dating, I was very clear that her and

I would never do a joint interview together. And granted, a podcast is not an interview, especially like when I'm the host that when we're the hosts of it. Uh, but this, I guess would be our first ever like media appearance together, and like whatever, it's it's fine. I think we're long enough removed to just to kind of take the plunge. I think it's about the time that you guys do something, some sort of joint interview together. I was gonna ask you you both, but I'll ask

you right now. What was it about not doing an interview together or not having her on the podcast? I think in the past. And I'm sure you can attest to this as well. Is being in like public relationships, people will like pick and prod every little bit of an interaction that you might have with like your significant other during an interview, so like they'll like read into your body language, they'll read into like the little inside jokes that you're in but they're not in, and they'll

take it to an incredible extreme. Uh. I've had it negatively impact my relationships in the past, and so I think I was just like protecting this relationship and I still am obviously. Uh, but it's just yeah, outsiders looking in and it's just like it didn't really ever in my opinion, interviews as couples never really do anything positive for the couple. It just only leads to like negativity. So like you and Caitlin were in such a different spot last year than you are now. You guys have

been dating for Jesus almost two years now. At the time you just got off Paradise, you were living in a van, who knew of what was going to be happening in the future, Like there were some question marks

to be I totally get it. Well. Yeah, And a big part of it too, is my humor or lack thereof, is very like sarcastic and dry, and so it's like all that crack a joke that Klin like fully understands because we spend every waking moment together, but some on listener has never heard this stupid humor that I have and they take it and it's been and run with it in a wround direction. So because of all that stuff,

I've kind of like avoided the whole situation. But uh, the last it's all come to ahead day of reckoning has come, my friend. But it's like what it's like, who cares? It's just you or it's not even an interview, it's just you're talking to the two of us at all. And I can't think this is even being defined as a punishment. This is ridiculous. I should have, like I should have taken your over, your Instagram over for a day.

That would have been a true punishment. I could have promoted my my short film and you have way more followers and me some damn it, I should have done that. The funny thing about that is I was telling Kalin. I was like, hey, so you're gonna have to be a guest on the podcast next week. She goes like, oh, why I do I have to? Like why? What? What's the reason for all of a sudden you want me as a guest? And I was like, well, I lost

to Jared. He gave me two punishments. One of them was too he would take over my Instagram for a day. And immediately after I finished that sentence, she was like, oh, so you obviously went with the other one. Like she was like, she was like, not in a million years would you let anyone take over. It's so funny how we're also protective of our Instagrams. Like I'm the same way. If given the two choices, I would have totally had Ashley on the podcast rather than someone taken over my Instagram.

I don't know, it's very it feels very violating for some reason. And it's so silly too, because it's like, what is Instagram? If it's just like a picture of sharing platform. It's like, who, who the heck cares about what Instagram? And I know you know, but we are like so protective of it. It just really shows that the social dilemma is a very real thing and we're all screwed um before we get to Kaitlin, though, we

do have a hot topic to talk about. If they're called hoppy, I'm just I'm literally ripping that rate out of almost famous because I hear Ashley say that hot topics guys. But I came across this car article and I thought it was pretty funny. It was a People article about Jane Fonda. Do you know who Jane Fonda is, Dane? Uh? I know she was in a like a Mike Posner song, or do the Jane Fonda right? I have no idea what Posner? It's someone else. I got no idea what

you're talking about. But Jane Fonda is an actress in Hollywood. She's a D two scause she's a little bit older, but she was not recently on The Ellen de Generous Show, where the guest host Tiffany Hattrish asked her, uh if she's still having sex because she looks so good for a D two. So Tiffany Hattes said, are you having like crazy sex? And Jane Fonda said, no, I don't have time to that. I'm old and I've had so much of it that I don't need any more sex

in my life. I'm too busy right now. So my question is, Dan, do you think you're ever going to get a place in your life where you're just like I truly don't need to ever have sex again? Or are you there? We all I think we all kind of get there at some point, don't we. I don't know. That's a tough question. I feel like it's funny because I feel like that's like the driving mode, Like that's at the core of everything that we do if you

really think about it. H and so it's hard to imagine where that's like not a motivating factor, but I would say probably at some point that's pretty funny. Eighty two is pretty old and like she's probably got a point, like she's got more important things to focus on, because you know, who the heck has time for that any I gotta be honest on this trajectory that I'm currently on. If Ashley and I are still having sex, like after fifty eight, I'm feeling pretty good. Yeah, absolutely, just like

a couple of times a year called it good. I mean, I'm thirty one now, and it's like, listen, it's still great. But Ashley and I we were pretty self deprecating about it because sometimes it's like, all right, should we like should we? Yeah, let's have sex tonight, like so cavalier and so relaxed about it. But you know what, that's what happens when married couple talks about it, you know.

So we still try to keep a little spy sometimes, you know, uh, there'll be some uh outfits involved or some some candles that are like yeah, Ashley, uh, and my and I like, um, what the hell is it called not candles incense? Right? Yeah? Okay, huh, because there's another definition that's very close to that word that would have sounded really bad in this context. Yeah, actually actually love int uh, but it's crazy. Yeah, eighty two years old.

I'm totally with Jane Fond on this said point. At the time of point, you're just like, you know what, I don't need that in my life anymore. Like, it's just it sounds exhausting, That's what it sounds like. I guess you probably got you probably get to a point where you like have done and tried everything that you ever could even imagine, so it's like, well, you know, it's kind of lost its appeal. I don't know, No,

I agree, she said. Then Tiffany Hattash asked her if she has any regrets, uh, and she said that she has. Her greatest regret was Marvin Gay. Apparently she wanted to hook up with Marvin Gay. So there we go. Jane Fond of Marvin Gay. A little known, a little uh, a little fun fact for the day before Halloween for you. Wait her greatest regret was that she didn't did not couple. Apparently, she said, apparently Marvin Gay wanted to and she was married at the time, and uh, she just felt like

it was wrong. So good for Jane Fonda, uh, not cheating, but at the same time, apparently to her biggest regret. So I'm assuming that marriage didn't work out. I don't really know the backstory on that one. I'm gonna I'm gonna go ahead and correct myself from earlier I said it was Mike Posner. It's actually a Mickey Avalon song called Jane Fonda. Uh, and if you have the time, listen to it, because it's like it's like an all time greatest college hit. Interesting. Well, we'll definitely have to

check that out. I don't even know that song is, but I just know Jane Fonda. I'm really just aging myself. But really that was like a parent that was like that was like more Mark's time, you know what I mean? Mark, Mark was more Jane Fonda than I was. I can't deny that. Alright, Cool, we have calin coming out the podcast next. I have plenty of questions from you, suck Army, I asked on Instagram. What questions you had for Kalin's I mean, this is truly like her first real appearance

on the pod cast. She's she's popped in and out before, but like now, she's in the hot seat before we jumped to before we jump to that, I've gotta I'd like to know what she should prepare for, and I would like to know what I need to personally prepare for as well. Uh, there's some question, there's some family questions in here from sock army. I'm certainly going to be asking about paradise last year, how she felt, uh when she first found out that you were very open

about living in a van. Uh, she's gonna be asking about worst dates with you. Uh, she's also gonna be asked about best dates with you. So that's good little positivity in there. Uh. What else do we got in here? Uh? Some some possible marriage or family planning questions in there? Wonderful, you know, very just obvious ones that can be sometimes difficult to answer, but we'll be asked on this podcast today. Um, yeah,

that's that's very understandable. I suppose there was there was something important I wanted to touch on it, and now it escapes me. And I hate when this happened. Uh. Sometimes you just you just carry on for so long that the the ideas and the thoughts that I have in my head escape somehow, you know what I mean? Um No, I hear you. Happens all the time, you know, apparently go if you remember? Yes, thank you so much. Are all of these questions uh, derived from the help

I sucudating Instagram? Uh? Yeah, I mean a majority of them are. I mean, like some questions I have, but my questions are. Listen, I'm gonna go easy on you, all right, because you're a friend. So I'm going to ask about like some paradise questions, and like I'm definitely gonna ask about the wedding bands, like in the specifics of like were you guys like leaning into the marriage angle of that and not disclosing whether you guys were married or not. And so some of those are your questions,

some of these are their questions. Yeah, nice little blend of both, you know. Cool. I wonder if maybe Marker Easton or Becky have questions as well. Oh. Also that reminds me, unfortunately through of my own fault, we got back from uh palm springs too late. On Sunday. So we didn't get to see Becky and Mario last weekend, but we do want to have an update from Becky about her date with to Mario. And for the listeners out there, I'm sure you've been following along and Becky story,

we'll get to it later. But she met a young gentleman through the podcast and he came out to California to see her for the weekend. So, uh, also, stay tuned for that. If you're not gonna stay tuned for for Klin, at least stay tuned for Becky and Tomorrio because you're not gonna want to miss that either. But what do you say you want to? Yeah? Absolutely, I just want to know if Becky's gonna invite us to

the wedding. I mean, granted, be seeing how we were the ones that really kind of made this whole relationship begin because he was a fan of the podcast. I feel like it's only deserving that you and I are equal. I'll be the maid of honor and you could be the best man. That seems fitting. Yes, And if we don't at least officiate, maybe be ring bears. There has to be some sort of involvement in the wedding as well. I think that is definitely very important. We can we

can touch on that later with her as well. Uh, but let's get kylea Earn here before we do that. Is there anything else you want to add? Should we take a quick break and then bring her in? I think we should just take a quick break. Brother, sounds good to me. Stay tuned, little beer back all right, and we are back to help I suck at dating. We started this podcast as two and we continue on as three because, uh, the young Kayla Miller Keys and actually Patty So I guess for have joined us for

the rest of this episode. Um, kaylhen you were here last episode, I'll be honest as a couple of beers deep. So, uh, you know, as a little field feeling a little lucy goosey. Today is a little different. We're just hanging out in the department in Santa Monica. But Jared's got some question for us, So, I don't know, does there anything you want to say before we dive into this or I'm just a little nervous. Yeah, don't be nervous. They're very

easy there, their softball questions. Let's be honest, We're not gonna go too hard on you. But like Kaitlin, how do you feel that your Dean's punishment. I feel like you should be seen as Yeah, you're absolutely right, I should be seen as your gift. But I was listening in the other room to what you were saying, and I agree. I think we've done a good job of I don't know, not doing joint interviews, and now we're like in a strong place in our relationship. It's time

are in a strong place in our relationship. We're in a very weak place in a relationship. Should I leave? Should I give you guys a couple of minutes to discuss amongst yourself? You need for the record for the record, In my opinion, Caitlin obviously can disagree with this. I don't think it's I don't think it's a it's time thing. I think it's a this is a one off experience because I lost to you in fantasy football. We're not going to just like start doing a bunch of interviews together.

This is this is the one an only time until next year when you beat me again in fantasy football. I was about to say, what happens if we we play each other again in the regular season or playoffs, and I beat you again, Calin part two. Anyway, let's go bridge when we get to it, So, Calin, Calin, my dear, uh, let's rewind the clocks. So I'm curious when you first met Dean because you you wanted to meet Dean in Paradise. Correct. Hm, well, I was one

of the people she wanted to be in. Well, we all give multiple people, but Dean you were one of those guys. So Calin, when you first met Dean? Did he was he everything you expected or the complete opposite? Oh? Um? Well, So I first met Dean in West Hollywood, like briefly for like two minutes, and I was like, oh my gosh, he's so handsome and he just like has this I don't or about him. He's very charismatic, he's very nice and sweet. And then he came down to Paradise and yeah,

very different from what I expected. But even like when we were dating in Paradise, it was always you know, this is going to end soon, you know, and so like him telling me that, and so, yeah, he's very different now than he was in Paradise because we're in a committed relationship. And then it was like all right, you know this could end any day. But just because one thing changed about my mindset about a relationship doesn't mean things are very different. Yeah, okay, you're right, You're right,

I'm wrong. Well, it's not no a relationship. You're the same person. You are the same person, just the relationships my mindset, and one thing has changed. Um in Paradise, they made it seem like, uh, like you were a little torn between Connor and Dean. And so my question is, did Connor ever even have a chance? No, no chance? It was. I tell Deean this all the time. My favorite moment, I'm not even joking, in the entirety of the Bachelor franchise that I have ever seen, was when

Dean came back. And I tell him this all the time. First of all, he looked like a damn stud on there, like his long hair, he shaved his mustache, he had a tan, he had that blue button down on. I was like Connor, legitimately, no chance and then no offense. Connor seems like a very sweet man, but uh then he's Connor sitting on the bed while you and Dean are talking. And then Connor and Christina are talking and Connor's like, I'm not worried, Like me and Caitlin have

a good thing going. And then Christina looks over at Connor and goes, have you met Dean? And he goes no, and She's like yeah. And then I was like, oh my god, that is the greatest moment I've ever seen because it was the realist thing, like, legitimately, I love you, Dean. But if you ever like pre Kalin Pree, actually, if you were like going after my girlfriend, I'd be like,

I'm like, I got no shot um. Anyway. Uh So when you guys left Paradise because Caitlin, were you thinking that you could truly have a future with Dean because of everything that he kind of outlined and was very truthful to you about. He wasn't sure about his future. He wants you know, he he was truthfully living in a van. He really wanted to travel. Do you you

know did you see that as compatibility? No. I knew that, like I knew we had a super strong connection, and I was like, there's no way I could leave this speech with anyone else like it's Dean and I knew that, But I was also hesitant because he had just dumped me. He was a little bit afraid of commitment, it seemed, and I don't know, our lives seemed very different. So in the beginning of our relationship, I was just like walking on eggshells almost and like scared, essentially scared of him.

We went to Europe together and I wasn't I was just always on edge and you know, whinsaken and dumped me or what am I going to say the wrong thing or do the wrong thing? And then we slowly got to know each other better and outside of the show, and our relationship just kept growing and I was like, oh wait, this is this is real. Yeah, listen, I'm a pretty scary guy. I don't know, Caitlin, what's the biggest thing you've seen change indeed over the past year

year and a half that you've been with him? Yeah? What a great question. That is the biggest thing you've seen change besides my hair? Decide your hair? Um? I don't know. Deans always a very loving and kind person, but I think them were the more comfortable we've become in our relationship. I don't know. I don't really think you've changed. Honest, you can talk crap about me if

you want. I probably got like messier. I probably played more video games like all the little all the little things that you like make sure you're on top of when you first started start dating someone like um All Gone the Wind else series between. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know you just like slowly start to uh lean into him a little bit. And I'm sure there are plenty of that. Actually, you used to never far in front of me, and now it just constantly smells like as

in this apartment. Dude. Ever since the first time I farted in front of Calein, I just let him rip all the time. It's fantastic. But I still get to hear one of her parts. I still I refused to believe that she farts, but I actually believe that. I don't think Calin farts. Um, so, what's your what's your Well, I know you didn't answer that question, but I know you're said it's kind of a hard question to answer. But can you think of one thing? You just think

of one thing? Come on, I mean, I don't know. I don't really think you've changed in any way. Well, let me give you an example of how I think Dean's changed a little bit. I think Dean has always been very scared of commitment. Granted, I'm speaking from an outsider's perspective, but I think with you. In my opinion, Dean has actively put a lot of effort and work into making you feel like he is a percent committed

in this relationship. Yeah, I can agree with that. And he does a really good job of making me feel fully secure and confident. And we're step together basically. I mean, listen, We've got a cell phone playing together, we got a joint bank account together, we got our freaking old dog together. You're right, he does a really good job of that. And that's something that I was so scared of in

the beginning. Is even I remember Demian Paradise pulled me aside and she was like, what the hell are you doing? Like this guy is going to break your heart? And I was like, no, it's just casual, it's fine. And then um we left the beach and I still had that fear of you know, when's again to end. So he's done a really good job of making me feel secure. Sweet. That makes me good. That makes me happy, It makes me good. What was the exact genesis of the wedding rings?

The exact genesis, because I've heard like you talk about it sarcastically because that's your humor obviously. Uh So, I think a lot of people still don't understand why you wear a wedding. I guess this is Would you rather hear her interpretation of how it started? Yeah, I guess I would like to hear her because I know exactly how it started in my head, but it could be different to how she thinks it started. Okay, I think it started. He was in Mexico and he was fighting

the women off. He is so humble, but I mean women are very john to him, and so he wore a hair tie around his ring finger and he's like, I'm taken. I'm a taken man. And this is what a year ago? October last year. Yeah, so a year ago. And then he came back and he was wearing it

and I was like, oh, I like that. And then we were on our way to meet Nick by All for dinner and he's like and we had to run into North Jone to get our ring finger sized, and then we were like talking about the idea of getting rings and so or at his ring and that's when he got the black ring, and then we just switched to the gold but I don't know, it was just like it wasn't really Maybe I'm missing part of the story, but I mean that's exactly how I would have explained

to I had like a little hair time my finger for a week, uh, and I kind of liked it. And then I was like, yeah, I'll just wear a ring. It's it's like I wouldn't hate that idea. And then yeah, we got sized, and then that was that, Yeah, did you ever think it was gonna blow up like it did? And I think it was a pretty big story to the point where you guys were on really ABC show

and Harrison had to ask you about it. Yeah, I I guess you're right, But I still don't think that it ever really became like I never like obviously, like it's a funny thing to like kind of like prod and like, you know whatever. But the thing that I've disliked about wearing it is a lot of my friends, like some of my closest friends will like see me wearing it, and like I never like explained to any of them why I wear a ring, and so they're all like, did you get married? And not telling you

of us. Like my brother even came to me once of you guys did you get married to came with telling me uh. And so a lot of my friends think that I like, uh not like went around their backs, but like kind of cut them out of like the wedding ceremonies and all these things. But it's just like, which is something that I think you would do, not not necessarily your family, but your friends, and you just be like secretly married. Yeah, which maybe maybe we're secretly married.

Jared still thinks we're secretly married. I think. I mean, I only say because I just like creating drama. Um. But klin Dean's obviously been very open with his um thoughts about marriage, back and forth about whether he'd want kids one day, so I ask you, are those things that you want? Marriage, kids, settling down? Yeah? I do. I want to get married. I want to have kids, and I'm gonna rush though, like I want to us.

We will get married to get married and like I don't know farriors ten years, twenty years, fifty years maybe, but no, I do want to be married. I do want to have kids. I go back and forth on the kids. I know I do want them, but there are some days where I were like, listen, let me tell you a story about Kalen. She she says she

wants kids, and I don't disbelieve her. But whenever we're out anywhere, anywhere, on an airplane, at a restaurant, doesn't matter where we are, and there's a kid, even making the smallest amount of noise, she always looks at me and goes, I never want to have kids. How could they? How could they? How could people allow their kids to be so loud and obnoxious here? And I'm always like, you're always telling me you want kids, and then every time we see a child, You're always look at me

like in complete disgust. Yeah, a crying baby in public is definitely the number one birth control. Uh And it's I hear you, I hear you on that. But I'm sure that you guys will have kids. Well do you think that Not to like pry too much, but do you think that could cause issues at one point? Yeah? Probably, I think already has caused issues. Well, Okay, the thing about Dean is he's so sarcastic and people don't pick up on his sarcasm and people think like he's a

terrible boyfriend. To me, he's the best boyfriend. He just is very sarcastic, and if you don't understand his humor, you don't understand him or our relationship. And he says these things sometimes they are truthful, but they're not. Listen, We've got to be honest with ourselves too. It would be unfair of me to not bring my seed into the world and and create a better world for the people around us simply by procreating. So so I feel like I have an obligation to to America, to the

world to procreate spread the Danie baby seed. I get it, exactly exactly. So given given that, and I've always been curious, like if I were to have a child, what would that child be like? So maybe, like, just out of curiosity, I would have a child one day. Yeah, I mean you have to have a kid. I'm talking about you have to have a kid because who else is going to be the villain bachelor in Paradise, you know, Yeah, exactly exactly have to follow them, and I so be it,

I guess, but yeah, I don't know. We'll see. I think it's uh, we both coming into the relationship. We're on different sides of the spectrums. Like she for sure wanted to get married and have kids, and I definitely didn't want to get married and have kids. And we're both like slowly inching towards the middle somewhere. It is interesting in that way. I mean that's a relationship compromise. Yeah. Yeah, well we don't want to compromise. We want to uh

you know, win win situation. Yeah, that's a better way of putting it. No, you're right. So we do have some questions from suck Army as well. So, Kaitlin, what's your worst date story with Dean? Oh? Worst date? Well, how much time do you have? We never have bad dates, But there are times where so Jean gets in these Jane gets in these moods or he just needs to be alone and and I like, I figured it out over the past year and a half when he's in

those moods. But sometimes I forget, like it's been a month and a half and he hasn't gotten into the mood where he just you don't want it, you don't want to talk or speak or be around people. Um. And so sometimes if we're on a date, just probably been like one instance where he's in that mood and we're on a date and he's just like when give

me a speci. I don't know, but I'm I'm just guessing that there's been a time where you've just been on your phone the time I figured you're gonna say our worst date was our first date in San Diego. What happened in San Diego with your friends? Know? When we got back to San Diego after Paradise, I took her skydiving and she was like shaking in her boots, Peter pants and pants. That would have been the worst one. Wait a minute. Your your first day after Paradise was skydiving?

Have you ever been skydiving before? Were you trying to kill her? Dan? What the hell? Yes? Well, it's the rrowinism, you know, natural selection. Let it, let its run its course. If she survives skydiving, I figured she would be more I guess, deserving of me, of me sharing my seed, a strong mother figure. I got it yet, Yes, yes, yes, uh and and and and the end of that story. I know we've thought talked about this before. But she did not jump. She did not jump out of the airplane.

I almost dumped her. Fast forward, I want to say, like maybe a year and three months later, a year in a month that was maybe just about a year. Then she went on she went skyd having on her own, and I was very wrong. Yes, well, so that was her way of fully circling around the bailing on her first date thing, which is would you ever go Scott having with Dean? Yeah? It was so fun. I would go again. What made you want to go buy yourself

scott having with me? Because I even driving up and like that week leading up to it, I had such anxiety and I was like, there's no way I'm going to do this. I'm gonna bail. And so I knew if I told him and then I'd aild to get and he would be mad. So I was not disappointed, Yes, disappointed. Um, so I was like, I have to jump and then I'll tell him afterwards. So I called him immediately after. But I had this whole plan to like show him the video in person, but I was too excited, so

I just called him immediately. And also she's told me too, She's like, I want to Scott having, Let's let's try it again. And I told her that I would not go scott having with her again, that she would if she wants to sky dive, which she claimed to have wanted to before. Obviously she went this last time that she would have to do it on her own terms, and she did it. Bro, It's her first time. I

would chickened out too, Are you joking? As soon as you get in the plane and the plane like starts going like this, I'm bring the plane down, I'm landing. I'm not jumping out for the record. For the record for anyone else is think about Scott having The plane ride is the most dangerous part of the sky down. It's like more people die in the plane getting up tottitude than they do uncourage people from going. I was about to say that doesn't bring me any comfort, Bro,

I'm not discouraging. I'm saying Scott having is relatively safe compared to even flying in an airplane, well not like a commercial every year than they do skydiving. Well yeah, there are still probably more commercial airplane deaths every year than Scott Having deaths. Don't vote me on that, but I bet you that's true. I don't know. I'd like to look up the statistics on that one. Um who

had to compromise with the others lifestyle. More so, my question, Klin, do you think you had to adapt to Dean's lifestyle more over the past year and a half of you guys have been dating or Dan, do you think you've had to adapt your lifestyle more towards Calin in the past year and a half. That's a great question. I think I have for sure. That's so wrong. I tell if you compromise, what have you compromise? I don't wear makeup anymore. Compromise, that's you're I think you're mistaking the

word compromised for the word enriched. You don't have to wear makeup anymore. You're a beautiful woman that no longer wakes up at seven in the morning to put on a face of makeup. Better lifestyle not our jud But I'm just saying I've definitely I've seen myself change more

and the relations for the better. I'm not saying it's I hate well, I'm talking about even like lifestyle, you know, because obviously Dean comes from living in the van wanting to road trip all around, and Kylen, you've seen someone who's more like myself and Ashley, where we like being home, but we also like traveling, but not in a van as much. Yeah, I don't think it's synonymous with changing yourself. I think what he's talking about is like a like.

So so here's why I think that I've changed. Okay, because I'm waiting at with bated breath for breath. Yeah, yeah, I don't know if you remember, on the show Calin and I his first day on the Unfashioned Paradise, she said something along the lines of traveling and sort of my thing. She said that, and she enjoyed traveling, but she had never really traveled to a great extent, like, yes,

you've been to places. Obviously you've traveled. You've in Japan, Um and a couple other places I can't remember exactly where. But she has always wanted to travel more extensively. And so when she started dating me, a guy that did travel extensively, lived in a van and would could consistently

take his international trips to wherever I wanted to go. You, by dating me, allowed yourself to become the person, not become the person, but like to travel more as much as you had originally wanted to, you know what I mean. So it's like, I don't think you necessarily compromising who you were to travel more because you had always wanted to travel a lot. And then on the flip side. Why I think I've compromised more in that regard is because, uh,

look where I am right now. I'm in an apartment in Santa Monica, holding a little baby dog in my lap, with my girlfriend sitting next to me, drinking a lacroix of a word I can't even pronounce, bubbly dreams. Yeah, thank you. Uh. And I on a regular basis, I go around the house. I do daily chores. I repair cabinets often enough, fix a lot of things around the She is much cleaner, but also she has a lot more stuff, so it's kind of hard to say. My

point is. My point is, even just being in the apartment right now, I would say that I have compromise a lot. Okay, you have. You have more than I wouldn't think that you have. But also, you know, I'm traveling the van, I'm going on these hiking trips. I'm hiking an active volcano. So I think it's pretty even. But they're all incredible things to look back on that they're bad, I enjoy them. It's a good I guess I've kind of lost sight of the question. To be perfectly,

I gotta be honest from my perspective. Calin's definitely adapted more to Dean's lifestyle. But this is also Instagram purposes. So like, I've seen Kalin hiking volcanoes and I'm like, wow, she must really love Dean. But it's also because I'm not posting I'm not posting pictures of myself sitting around the boy. I would agree to this. That is a very valid point, my friend, but that's not that's not the greatest argument. Because he used to live in an apartment.

He used to be doing all these things before the van, and I hated my life and that's why I stopped doing it and moved into a van. I lived with with crippling anxiety on a regular basis because I felt so so stagnant and stale. And so that's why I bought a van and renovated it and started traveling more. But now I've got a girlfriend and a little puppy dog, so I've got to do these things, little path I don't get me wrong, It's not that I don't enjoy them.

I enjoy the times that I got to slow down and be around the apartment and not have to worry about, um, you know, parking your van. And finding in place of sleep. It's nice to take it's nice be able to take a break from that for a little bit. But so, what's your that's my that's my what's your best story? Date story? What's the best date you guys ever been on? Oh? Best date? Mm hmm? What do you think? I don't know. We've got on a lot of really good Oh. Actually,

worst date was? I like it? How immediately this goes back to the worst date. The worst date was at Michelin Star restaurant. I was like, let's go to a fancy dinner. We go to a Michilin Star restaurant. I was like throwing up in the bathroom the whole time. Know what happened? It was terrible. We are both miserable. I don't know, but that was the worst date. I think it was. We were in Spain. We're talking about

the worst of the best one here. I think she was still like learning your what diet work best for her? But yeah, it was like this four dinner and the food was like, it's just restaurants suck. It's like tiny little servings of food that you would never like. We have pigeon, Like, who the heck wants to eat. That sounds terrible. I'm definitely I agree Michelin, no offense Michelin. Anybody who owns a Michelin restaurant listening a little overrated.

I'm more of a mom pa guy, you know, like because you get the big dishes, they taste grade good stuff. Give me the mom paud diner. Give me like the fifty cent street taco. You know what I mean. But I think I don't know. We've traveled to so many cool places. We always find these cool little restaurants to eat dinner at, and I think those are always our best dates. Probably in Hawaii, we had a really nice

date and got a little tipsy, got some massages. They were the best massage as we've ever had in our lives. Does Dean ever give you massages? He better occasionally give you one last night, very nice. Sometimes I give Ashley once, but like my thumbs started hurting after five minutes and she gets really angry at me. We're getting old, man, I'm telling you, and I don't know long story, I

don't have small hands. But first, there's this picture that Ashley posted of us in We're Worry Iceland a couple of years ago, and apparently my hand looks very feminine in the picture. So ever since then, my friends say that I have baby hands and that's why I can't like, that's why my thumbs start hurting after five minutes. It's a long story that's actually hilarious. Okay, Uh, this is uh more of a mom It's a question that is very much repeated within this. Uh, Caitlin, have you met

Dean's dad? I have not, And Dean hasn't met my dad, nor has he met my mom, which will happen at some point, but his dad's not in his life. My dad's not in my life, so it's kind of like, what is the point. Yeah, for the record, I haven't even talked to my dad since I started dating Kitlin. So it's like, for all he knows, I could be dead somewhere, or I could be single, or I could be you know, there's a million possibility. Like I haven't talked to my dad since like February of April of

whatever it was. So so now she has not my father, who was the first person that said I loved you obviously, what did you say back? You better said I love you too? Yeah, yeah, I said, I said I said something of the sort. What did he say, wait or give us the context of the story, because I don't remember this story. She said it and I just said thanks. How long after Paradise was this? Um? It was in St. Lucia and if we got there probably December? Okay, so this is like six Yeah, okay, so it took a

little while. Yeah, it took me a while. Cal is the first one to say, Yeah, I don't know, man, were you nervous telling him? Is that like, did you feel like you wanted to tell him earlier but you were just afraid to scare him away? Yeah? So he told me one time, he was like, if you think that you loved me, just wait three months longer something

like that. And I and I knew that I loved him, like pretty early on, but I was just gonna I was like, I'm not going to be the first to say it, And then as the relationship progressed, I was like, I'm definitely going to be the first one that asked to say it. But I wasn't scared. I knew that we were in a healthy, committed relationship. So if she if she wasn't the first one to say, none of

us would have ever said it exactly. But also I was thinking about this because I knew this question was gonna get brought up on the podcast, and I was thinking about how I could have some you know, like some deeper meaning about why it took me so long to say it. And it's because people are still liberal with their with their usage of the word. They don't know what it means, but they're willing to use it and throw it around all the time, and so it's

like really diminished the meaning of the word itself. Uh. And so I use I sell my friends, I love them all the time as friends, but as a romantic partner, I feel like people are so quick to use that word and then you know, in no time at all, there it's like they're not even on speaking terms anymore.

So I asked someone who has also been scorned by people that he quote unquote was in love with I have just been proceeding with extreme caution, which made it more special to like knowing that he wasn't willing to say it or just wanted to wait. Yeah, I made it more special. I guess I don't know. People. Yeah, people are just it's just it's just a word too It's like, who cares about a stupid word? Why don't I?

Why don't I show my love and my daily actions by being present all as often as they possibly can, showing my affection and taking care of all the things that I need to take care of. So, needless to say, your love language is not words of affirmation. Dean, I received words of affirmation, I guess, but I don't want to give them. But I feel like most people when they throw around that word, they're just saying it, and Dean really has to because he doesn't has to show me,

which I prefer. Yeah, I don't need to be like I love you. I love you every single day, all day long. It takes it does take some weight out of it. So wait, I'm still what did Dean exactly say back to you when you tell him you loved him? We don't need it? I said thanks, I said thanks, bro, that's dope, and you fist pump. Actually he actually gave you a fast pump after you said I love you. No, I don't. I don't know if that's exactly how it happened,

but it was. I I definitely did my best to deflect, as I often do, and I knew that would be his response to I when I first told, because I was the first person to tell Ashley that I I loved her. I mean when we were dating. Uh. And I knew that I needed to be the first one because when she's sitting there to me, which is why I keep looking up to make sure she's not gonna like stab me in the throat if I get this story wrong. Um, and I knew with all of our history that I needed to be the first one I

tell her. So we were laying in bed. It was the weekend we went to um what a stagecoach. Uh, not that stage coach. The year before we went with like I think we went with like Nick. Oh, Nick, that's right. We drove up together, um and Dean was there and uh, we were lying in bed and uh, I said, because I was super nervous because of all our our past and like I always had the upper hand. I know that sounds terrible, but it was just like this weird thing and like here I am about to

tell her that I love her. And so the words came out, and I said, Ashley, I said, I think I'm falling in love with you. I think I love you that's what I said. I said, I think I love you. Even though I wanted to say I love you, I was just so nervous. So I put the word think in front of it to make it like and that has impactful. And she just responded like we not not that it wasn't in No, I don't mean that. I just meant, like, you know, in case you were like,

well I need a little bit more time or protecting yourself. Yeah, I was protecting myself totally anyway, pointed. She was like, jord of course I love you. And I was like, no, I love you too. I didn't mean to say I think. Um, um, so where do you so? We gotta wrap up soon, but Calen Andy and I want to I want you guys to answer this separately. Where do you see yourselves

in five years? Oh? Married, tons of kids. We'll own a home, maybe in Vegas, maybe Montana, Vegas, no for like Vegas, Summerlin, Summerlin, um, five years, hopefully married kids in sight. I know one things for certain, we'll both be five years older, Pap you will still somehow be inching around. I we hope, uh you never answer the question you really married in five years? Maybe I don't know. That's scary. We'll see if the world even exists in

five years. Honestly, it's like everything is so up in the air at this point. You know that's not a bad answer, but I also want you to answer where for me. Hopefully we'll still have the band, We'll be traveling very similar in five years. I'd like to be able to look back and be like, Okay, cool, we accomplished all the things that we want to. Like, we want to live in different countries. What country do you guys want to live in? We want to live in Japan. I want to I really want to live in South

America somewhere. Argentina, Yeah, Argentina. Perhaps, I just I think that, uh, personally, I've grown a lot through traveling as much as I have internationally over the past few years, and I think living in abroad somewhere would only embellish that even more so, I think if we were to do something like that together. And also, sorry to go off on this kind of tangent over here. When I moved to l A five years ago, I moved with like twenty really really good friends.

When Kayla moved here, she didn't really know anyone Uh. You know, she had her roommates in wife Hollywood before living in Santa Monica here, but she like kind of moved without knowing many people, and I have never done that. And so if we were to move somewhere else, especially like Japan, where you are like completely an outlier and very isolated. Uh, and there aren't many English speakers except

for like the XPACT pats that are there. I'm just very curious to see our dynamic and how it would function, if it would function. Uh, and if we're able to, I guess handle that adversity and if it would either, I think it would make us stronger, but you never know, so it would be like, uh, there's a lot to see what's going to happen from that. But uh, in five years, sorry to bring it back to the point, to see how we handle all of that adversity that

we're putting and setting ourself up for. Uh and uh yeah, hopefully still together, hopefully still not married, hopefully still with Pappy, hopefully still childless. Uh, hopefully hopefully just live in our dreams. I guess, I don't know, what do you see in five years You're gonna have three kids? For you guys, for you and Ashley. Yeah, I mean, dude, what do

you What you see is what you get. Yeah, we'll probably have hopefully a couple of kids and and uh own a home and uh and then we'll see hopefully still successful in our in our careers and able to afford such things. Uh, that would be the goal. Uh, and then be closer to family. Um. But before you go, one last question, the most important question, I think, Kaalin, what's your favorite Dean look? Okay, so the options are Okay, his his first like when he was on Bachelorette in Paradise.

You know, the clean cut, kind of like the f boy haircut, but it's good look. Uh, when he first walked down in Paradise with a mustache and the long hair or no mustache, long hair when he came back after you. I like that. Yeah, when he came back that is hair. Yeah, that's my favorite. G close, it's kind of get longer. Yeah, you got a little flow back there. It's no this though, you know my flow is getting here. I appreciate you bringing it back to you.

And I see Ashley's behind you. Do you mind bringing her over to the microphone? Yeah, Ashdan wants to ask you a question, Uh, Caitlyn, that is my favorite Dean look as well. When I saw him coming to the wedding, I was like God, I was like, God, damn it, this guy is so handsome. He's off staging. Will you ask Ashley what her favorite look of you? Look of Jared? She can hear you apparently, Um, well, it's I think

this one that he has going on right now. I think his hair is perfect right now, but I don't want it forever, if that makes sense, Like I kind of want him to be bouncing back and forth between this and short for like the rest of our lives. Is that weird? Like I like, because sometimes I look back on pictures and I'm like, oh, he's so handsome, Like he's more like movie star handsome with short hair and more like hot guy that you're going to double

take out walking down the street with long hair. Okay, like that. See. I I kind of disagree. I think he's got like the Colin Farrell, like a rugged long hair, scruffy beard type look going for him. Now. I think he's more movie star, asked with the look video. That's right, yeah, but I'm looking like his movie that just came out. Well, I wouldn't it was a short Yeah, well you have short hair there and you look really good. Oh thanks bad, I appreciate it. Yeah, but you also look so eaqually

hot out. But you know what's so amazing, Jared's just glow up in the past like two years. It's just weird. He looks like a different person. It's amazing. How I look back on when they replayed like my season of the Bachelor, I'm not my season season, Yeah, and it was like, God, like, get your get your together, bro. If only, like you know, if only I knew it was going to come at me in a couple of years.

There's there's one thing we can all agree on, ashes that this Jared's range is absolutely it's it's it's heaven sent. He can pull off any look. That's very sweet. God, we gotta have Kylin ashe on the podcast more often. My egos through the roof right now. This is great? You know we Yeah, we keep doing this What a Girl Wants episodes. Why don't actually and Calin hosted whatever? Yeah, you guys should totally do What Girl Wants your girls. Yeah,

that would be fun. I mean we did kind of didn't. Yeah, that was fun and we took over. Yeah, A Lease was on last week. I don't know who's on this week, but well hopefully soon maybe like a Christmas episode. It will be a nice Christmas gift for stuck army Jos. Any more questions that you have for us before we take it? Brown? And that was all softballs, So you're welcome on that one now, Calin, thank you honestly so much for coming on. You were so sweet and we

love having you on. I wish Dean a lot it more. I'm kidding that sounded bad, but no, seriously, thanks for coming on. We really appreciate it. Thanks. I'm sorry I didn't answer your questions happening. No, you answered all of them. You kidding me. But I want everyone to know that he's the best boyfriend. I hate when people are critical of him people, I told her if she said that. So yeah, and so now we go to yeah, alright, we're gonna take a quick break and get this some

emails and Becky and tomorrow update. All right, Well, that actually did not go as poorly as I expected it too, So yeah, I'm gonna just go ahead and say no harm, no foult. But at the top of the episode. In last week, we talked about Becky and her date with to Mario, and, as Jared said earlier, waiting with bated

breath to hear exactly what happened. Becky. Uh, you're texted me a little bit about kind of what happened, but fill us in, just kind of catch us up just in case someone maybe missed an episode or two, and then tell us about how the weekend went. Okay, So this guy heard me my interview on this podcast, and uh, we've just been talking since and he came out to Los Angeles. He's from Michigan. He came out to meet me, uh this weekend and uh, well, how the three day

to go? Yeah? First off, I'm like sweating right now. First off, he's amazing. He is so sweet. He's like even more incredible person. I think I'm the mess. Uh. I was so nervous when he got here, and I was definitely in my head while we were like hanging out, and I was having a really difficult time being present because I was just like, what is happening? Like this is so crazy to me that this is happening. Um, And he could tell that there was something off, so

he like brought it up. He was like, are you okay, Like, is there anything like bothering you? And I was just like, really honest, I was like, I'm just like really kind of emotional right now, um, because this is the first time that I've really had someone like pursue me, and I didn't know how to accept it, and I was just really in my thoughts and I was like, please don't self sabotage. Please don't self sabotage. Um. And so then, uh, we had like a we had a lot of unexpected conversations,

but they were honest and they were like helpful. So then, um, you know, that's the first night, the first day and night, and then the next morning, I'm like, okay, I'm gonna go. It's gonna go. It's gonna be great. The rest of the weekend's gonna be awesome. So he's like he's gonna I'm like, he's gonna beet my friends. We're gonna go

out to brunch right now. Um. So then we get to brunch, I'm walking into the restaurant and I went in full panic attack because I saw a very stick X who lives across the country in Cincinnati at the restaurant, and I was like there's no way. I was like what is he doing? And I literally like grabbed Da Mario's hand and I was just like, oh, he's like is there someone that you don't want to be seeing

that's here? And I was like yeah. And uh, the whole first half of the brunch with my friends like they're loving him, He's awesome, and I'm just like full blank face close to tears, like what is happening. It was just a really emotional weekend. And then um, we you know, after brunch happened, we went back to uh my apartment, we watched church together and we prayed and um, that was really sweet. He prayed over me and we

actually like both got really emotional. Um, I was not bubble crying, like and I'm like why am I doing this in front of this bad and I'm just meeting But I felt so comfortable with him, and that all goes to say, like he's awesome. We're still talking, We're still trying to like work through some things because uh, I'm just having difficulty like accepting um like the kindness and just like how sweet he is. But uh, he said,

you shouldn't you shouldn't have difficulty accepting that. You know, there's a great I know I'm going to say a movie quote and it's going to be so bad, and I apologize, but you know, we accept the love that we think we deserve. UM. You know, I think sometimes, like you said, we self to have sabotage, and that seems like what you're doing right now. And so if it comes down to I'm having a difficult time with tomorrow because I'm not accepting how good he is to me,

you have to try to accept that. That'd be my advice. Now, Yeah, it's been really difficult and I'm working through it, and I think it just has to deal with UM. And I spoke about this with a Lease on a Lot of Girl Wants, which was such an awesome interview and

everyone shoul will listen to that. UM, but I spoke just like how I've suffered a lot of trauma with and I've never had a good relationship with men in general because of that, and so uh, but Damar has made it a point that he's like I want um to like help you get through that, and I want to fight for you, UM and like please let me.

And so he's just awesome and I'm really trying. But he said he listened to the episode where you asked he guys helped him his date ideas and uh he you said, Jared that you know, I feel like Damari would have something planned. Um, and he actually told me

last night. He's like, you know, I did have something planned, but it didn't work out because there was a lot happening that we didn't really expect really, and uh, yeah, he was like he was he was planning on asking me to be his girlfriend, and I guess in a really sweet way. And this guy just keeps getting better and better. I'll tell you, I know. And I'm just like, don't mess it up, Becky. But yeah, that's where we're at. You're trying not to think, don't mess it up, just

trying to take it one day at a time. And you know, you're in a different spot than to Mario right now, and you've been truthful towards that and so and he's super respectful of that. That's great to hear. That is great. I know you mentioned that he said he listened to the podcast about date ideas. Did you guys talk about because like for both of you guys, for anyone, it's weird to have your dating life be talked about publicly by people who have just been on

a dating show. Have you guys talked about that and how weird it is? And uh, like both of your both of y'all's comfortability with it, Like it's kind of one thing he just threw y'all in there. Yeah. Yeah, Like like Becky, you kind of like have to be comfortable with it, as unfortunate as that sounds, because like you are in media, but he like isn't into right,

So is that like a weird conversation you guys had? Um, I think like we kind of talk about it, like very briefly, and we're just like, yeah, that's kind of weird. But then I see how many people are like actually listening to the podcast, and then sometimes there's like people that like follow me and to Mario like after listening to the podcast, and that's where it kind of puts it in perspective and we're like, oh, yeah, this is

like happening and it's kind of weird. But I mean, yeah, I think he knows what he signed up for because I do work in media and I already knew that too. Um, So yeah, the the whole situation is just kind of crazy. And like when we share two people like how did

you guys meet? And I sometimes I'm just like from work, And then sometimes I go into detail and they're like, what how is that a thing I told some girls like from from my church And they're like, that doesn't happen in the real world, And I was like, well it did, so well, it's the real world. It is happening. It's happening. That's so funny, right, Like, what are the odds?

I would say, uh, of all of the unique like, like Jared said earlier Genesis stories, Uh, this has to be one of the most unique I've ever personally heard of too, So I think it's fantastic. And I guess the one piece of advice that I would even have, uh, and I'm sure Jared would agree with this is uh, well, don't put words in my mind. I guess it's hard, right,

It's yeah, I shouldn't say that. Uh. And and I know all we really get from your like these little check ins, and we don't really hear from him other than that one episode that we had him on as a guest, But uh, never say anything on here that you wouldn't say to him and vice versa, and always be overly communicative because it would suck for him to hear something that you said on here that he was either like assuming or didn't think, because that would just

obviously at the money noess to the waters. But it sounds like you guys are like being super communicative. I do agree with that. So Dean, you can put words in my mouth. So let's ask this what's what's next? Steps for Let's let's think of of the celebrity name is it de Mecky? Uh? I like that one? What's next? Forma? Um, we're kind of just taking it like day by day, mom of my moment right now. Um, there's a lot of healing that I need to do that I don't

want to carry into a future relationship. And he Um is super understanding of that, and uh, he wants to help me. I don't do well with asking people for help. Um, but yeah, he he just said he wants to fight for me, and he's praying for me constantly. He's very uplifting kind. I think you guys are taking the right approach. I think that's a great you know, that's awesome. Well, we're definitely gonna be checking in, maybe not frequently because

we're gonna give you some space, some breathing room. We don't want to be too involved in your relationship, but at the same time, we're invested. If anything substantial happens, I will let you know, all right, perfect, um, Well, thank you Becky for sharing that. We really appreciate it. And we do have one email. So if Mark, if you're out there in the universe and you'd like to read said email, I would love nothing more than to hear your voice. Thank you, Jared. It would be my pleasure.

It's from autumn, She says. I've been in too long term long distance relationships, one of which I'm still in, and I think it'd be interesting to get the guys input and what keeps them interested, especially due to COVID. I don't know when I'll get to see my boyfriend again since we live in different states. Do most guys find it annoying? The text all the time is sending little gifts here and there were a good idea. What if you're always the one going out to visit him?

Is bad or red flag questions like that? Yeah, I mean, I'm not sure if i'd say it's a red flag. But it sucks, and Autumn, it's something that you should discuss with him about you going out to visit him constantly. One of my friends actually is going through long distance relationship and I kind of found out that one person is visiting the other person more often. And I can tell, even though she's not saying anything that it was a little annoying when that conversation was brought up, like, oh,

you're going there? Does does he go there? She's like, no, not as much. And it's like, oh, I can tell that you would like that from him. So Autumn, I would definitely uh vocalize your displeasure with this person not visiting you as much as you visit them. If that is something that's bothering you. I wouldn't say it's like, you know, a red flag like something you should dump them over. Um, but certainly, yeah, say something and then to keep things spicy as they say. I mean again, Uh,

depends on your level of comfortability. You know, if you guys are in a secure relationship, you trust one another. UH. If you can't be you know, physical in person, UH, there are other things that you guys can do uh to you know, try to uh you know if you. I mean again, it depends on your comfortability level, what you guys think about it. If you send a sexy selfie to this person or something along those lines, that's that could be something that's you know, keeps it firing.

Do I sound like an idiot right now? Yeah? I mean, you definitely do. I sort of agree. But I also think that everyone is very different. So when I think about myself in a long distance relationship, I'm not really the one that's going to be like wanted to talk on the phone all the time, and like I guess I would do like little romantic gestures like sending gifts

or like flowers or stuff like that. But everyone, at the end of the day is different, right, And so it's like, at the end of the day, Autumn, if you are like happy in the relationship and you feel like you're receiving as much as you're giving, and that's and that and you're okay with that level of I guess that ratio of giving and receiving that I don't

really think it's a problem. Like maybe you are just inherently a provider and a giver, and then that person um gives you and provides to you things that aren't necessarily uh you know, as practical, like not flowers or chocolates or whatever, but it still gives you like that support. Maybe he's busy working all the time and he can't

travel to you. I don't know. I'm just trying to think of, like, there are certain circumstances where like you look at this, like like a surface level, you look at this and you're like, there's definitely like an imbalance. But there are certain circumstances. I think that you could be like, Okay, well it makes sense as to why it's unfolding the way that it is, right, So, uh, it just really depends. I know that it was like really, I was like that was like a long winded answer,

non answer type thing. But I hear you know, but and I'd like to answer her a question about texting. I don't think it's annoying if you you know, quote unquote text your your boyfriend all the time, because you guys are in a long distance relationship and so that's the only you know that and phone calls are really the two ways that you guys communicate most. So of course, I don't think it's weird unless he says, you're texting me too much. I need in space. Then text them

when you feel like you want to text them. That would be my advice. And here's a good example too. It's like when I travel and I'm away from calin a long time. Uh. I think if she could have it her way, she would want to talk on the phone far more often than we do. But I just I prefer to like text throughout the day. But I think she would rather like no texting that day and then just like one hour long FaceTime or something at the end of the day. But I don't personally like that.

So we find a way to like make sure bold people get what they want, but it involves a lot less phone calls and more like texting throughout the day. So I guess my point to on that is it's just like everyone's different, everyone prefers different things. It's just a matter of like figuring out what works for you guys exactly. Finding I don't think. I don't think texting all days uh bad at all for me personally. I would prefer that text me, don't call me, Jared, if

you ever call me, I'm probably gonna block you. Just text me, Okay, sounds good to me. I have no idea when I'd ever call you, but good to know. I'll note that Autumn. Uh. First of all, your name is awesome. I love that name, Autumn so and secondly, thank you for listening. Three, thank you for emailing us in four. I hope that helped in any way, shape or form, and I think that's going to do it for these week's episode of help I Suck at dating. A big thank you to, like I said, Autumn for

emailing us in. Big thank you too, Dean for being as wonderful as he is. Big thank you to Mark for having a wonderful radio voice. And a big thank you too, of course our big guest Kaitlin Miller Keys, who was awesome and so generous to give her some of us some of her time towards the podcast. It wasn't It wasn't that bad, Dean. This wasn't a punishment for you. It wasn't. I'm glad we were able to do it. I am happy that you were the one

that we did it with. I guess some softball. I'm not gonna lie, but honestly, a lot of the questions came from the Instagram questions that I asked, so a lot of the questions were from our listeners, not just me. Look, it's like sometimes before you fully jump into the pool, you gotta take your towel and just to kind of test as a little bit. And now we know what the water feels like, and maybe one of these days will fully jump in, but hey, who knows. I would

love nothing more that will happen. Totally. I'm marking it down right now. I'm going to email producers Kalin jumped flat into the pool next podcast. That's gonna do it for today's episode, Jared, I appreciate you. I appreciate Becky Tomorio obviously. Thank you for being open with your stories and your experience as we look forward to hearing more from you guys. Obviously, thank you to Kalin for joining us on the podcast. Thank you Sucky Daters for joining

us this week. We will very much look forward to seeing you next week, where maybe we will suck just a little bit less. Follow help by Suck at Dating on I Heart Radio or wherever you listen to podcast